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STE...fans
11-12-2011, 04:27 PM
Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer and Aisam-Ul-Haq Qureshi will contend for the 2011 Sportsmanship Award named after Stefan Edberg. Mauro Cappiello, founder and admin of STE...fans, the best tribute to Stefan Edberg on the web, wrote this interesting editorial on who the ideal winner is.

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LawrenceOfTennis
11-12-2011, 04:30 PM
The options:facepalm:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 04:31 PM
no one

:haha:


j/k whom ever is loyal to their fans and players:shrug:

TMJordan
11-12-2011, 04:33 PM
Djokovic


LOL

v-money
11-12-2011, 04:33 PM
Qureshi, no doubt. The others got the nomination because they are the number 1, 2 and 3 in the world. One of them will win only because they are a more recognizable name,

Orka_n
11-12-2011, 04:34 PM
Sadly this award is too often given to the current world #1 instead of those who truly deserve it. Imo Qureshi should get the award this year for his anti-war efforts.

GSMnadal
11-12-2011, 04:35 PM
Meh, just give it to Federer again.

Nadal doesn't deserve it after this year and Djokovic most certainly doesn't.

Jaz
11-12-2011, 04:36 PM
Federer I guess.

Luinir
11-12-2011, 04:37 PM
Qureshi.

Nixer
11-12-2011, 04:38 PM
The article is very biased against Federer and Nadal, with the examples from previous years, not 2011. Not mentioning Djokovic at all.
Although I agree with the author's choice, would be awful if Aisam doesn't win this nomination :yeah:

delboy
11-12-2011, 04:39 PM
Troicki

Orka_n
11-12-2011, 04:42 PM
Troicki:lol:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 04:43 PM
Troicki

someone wants a spanky:devil:

Sapeod
11-12-2011, 04:47 PM
If this award wants to redeem itself after the clown desicison to give it to Nadal, then they should give it to either Federer or Qureshi. Neither of the cheating fakers deserve to options for this, let alone win it.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 04:49 PM
cheating fakers!

:spit: :haha: :haha:

Sapeod
11-12-2011, 05:01 PM
Yes, cheating fakers.

They fake timeouts to throw off their opponent. They cheat: bounce the ball too many times, take fake timeouts to throw their opponents off some more. I think those two words describe them perfectly.

alter ego
11-12-2011, 05:12 PM
Nadull obviously, for this epic performance against Fish at Wimbledon..

1.07 PM
http://photosex.biz/imager/w_500/h_/61c591b5dbc3d92d82628ca14ae1e2fa.jpg

1.53 PM
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2.43 PM
http://photosex.biz/imager/w_500/h_/d92703c1b374029c43000e4cfe90007c.jpg

3.51 PM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2010/6/30/1277924663402/rafael-nadal-006.jpg

abraxas21
11-12-2011, 05:18 PM
i dont see robredo's name on the list :confused:

abraxas21
11-12-2011, 05:19 PM
Nadull obviously, for this epic performance against Fish at Wimbledon..

piggy does it all the time but wimby seems to be his bigger scenario

what a disgrace

Saberq
11-12-2011, 05:31 PM
Give it to Murray he seems like a nice kid but I want Novak to win it ....he won everything else why not this ?

Ben.
11-12-2011, 05:31 PM
Rafa isn't even wearing the same clothes in those pictures :facepalm: Try harder.

GSMnadal
11-12-2011, 05:34 PM
Rafa isn't even wearing the same clothes in those pictures :facepalm: Try harder.

Oh come on, that original post was obviously a joke and a very amusing one.

swebright
11-12-2011, 05:43 PM
Definitely not Novak.

Nole Rules
11-12-2011, 06:37 PM
Nole for sure.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 06:39 PM
Yes, cheating fakers.

They fake timeouts to throw off their opponent. They cheat: bounce the ball too many times, take fake timeouts to throw their opponents off some more. I think those two words describe them perfectly.

no its called being a twiddle de a twiddle dumb:p

Start da Game
11-12-2011, 06:40 PM
the award has totally lost its value over the last 7 years......it has become a bigger joke than hall of fame......somehow it got saved last year as it finally went to a right person last year......hope the revival continues this year too so that stefan edberg can start smiling again......

RagingLamb
11-12-2011, 06:41 PM
Sooner or later they'll have to abolish it altogether.

But from the list, Quershi or Fed.

Pirata.
11-12-2011, 07:00 PM
Qureshi, and if the players actually had any common sense, that's who would win.

the award has totally lost its value over the last 7 years......it has become a bigger joke than hall of fame......somehow it got saved last year as it finally went to a right person last year......hope the revival continues this year too so that stefan edberg can start smiling again......

:facepalm:

Arkulari
11-12-2011, 07:04 PM
CHwuz_woPOk

:p

Start da Game
11-12-2011, 07:07 PM
2004-2009
http://www.tennisvideodvdstore.com/fotos/new%20york%20usa%20stefan%20edberg_yannick_noah_te nnis_1986.jpg



finally in 2010
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4de93a844bd7c84230140000/stefan-edberg.jpg

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 07:10 PM
^oh right like this guy deserves a sportmanship award because of his correcting the scoreline


bitch PUHlease:rolleyes:

Yolita
11-12-2011, 07:11 PM
This award has been a joke for a long time now, like the Nobel Peace prize. So who cares?

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 07:13 PM
This award has been a joke for a long time now, like the Nobel Peace prize. So who cares?
exactly

venky91
11-12-2011, 07:19 PM
Give it to me.

misty1
11-12-2011, 07:25 PM
Qureshi is the only one who truly deserves it

sadly it will go to one of the other 3

misty1
11-12-2011, 07:25 PM
This award has been a joke for a long time now, like the Nobel Peace prize. So who cares?

yeah, the nobel prize really become totally worthless when obama got one

Matt01
11-12-2011, 07:27 PM
I think I'd give it to..err.. none who is on this list. :o


Yes, cheating fakers.

They fake timeouts to throw off their opponent. They cheat: bounce the ball too many times, take fake timeouts to throw their opponents off some more. I think those two words describe them perfectly.


There's no rule on how many times you are allowed to bounce the ball :lol:

RIboy
11-12-2011, 07:27 PM
Daniel Koellerer

Arkulari
11-12-2011, 07:28 PM
Qureshi is the only one who truly deserves it

sadly it will go to one of the other 3

that's actually true, it has become a popularity contest.

Yolita
11-12-2011, 07:40 PM
yeah, the nobel prize really become totally worthless when obama got one

You're very young then. The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke for decades. :)

Sapeod
11-12-2011, 07:41 PM
Give it to Murray he seems like a nice kid but I want Novak to win it ....he won everything else why not this ?
He's a faker and a cheater, like Nadal. Therefore, he shouldn't win it. Ever.

Saberq
11-12-2011, 07:43 PM
He's a faker and a cheater, like Nadal. Therefore, he shouldn't win it. Ever.

no Murray is a nice kid .......;)

RIboy
11-12-2011, 07:50 PM
He's a faker and a cheater, like Nadal. Therefore, he shouldn't win it. Ever.

finally something smart from you :worship:

heya
11-12-2011, 08:13 PM
roddick voted for federer to combat djoker.
no one should've beaten his boyfriend federer at all. federer is mercifully shoved in the contest. that explains why arkulari posted in this thread.

Kat_YYZ
11-12-2011, 08:15 PM
yeah, the nobel prize really become totally worthless when obama got one

You're very young then. The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke for decades. :)

Kissinger :o :o :o

Maybe it's too bad for Mr. Edberg, if he doesn't like his name associated with the winner, but since the players are the ones to decide this, it's really their business. Whoever wins, of course we will hear whining about how the ATP shouldn't have allowed the result, but then go make up your own award and pick an esteemed jury to decide the winner. This one is done by current players' votes. :shrug:

thrust
11-12-2011, 08:32 PM
Though he has no chance, I would give it to John Isner.

Nole fan
11-12-2011, 08:33 PM
Where is the poll? :rolleyes:

MuzzahLovah
11-12-2011, 09:20 PM
Anyone other than Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer.

Tsonga is actually a great sport, Del Po as well. Actually, there are tons of players who don't resort to gamesmanship and refrain from being passive aggressive in interviews. Nishikori has been a great sport in all the matches I've seen from him, whether he's upsetting number 1's or being trounced by Murray and Fed.

Certinfy
11-12-2011, 09:28 PM
Qureshi. Would be absolutely pathetic if he doesn't take the award, but then the ATP itself is pathetic so...

Saberq
11-12-2011, 09:48 PM
Qureshi. Would be absolutely pathetic if he doesn't take the award, but then the ATP itself is pathetic so...

tell me why? I know nothing about him...

Action Jackson
11-13-2011, 12:46 AM
Disgraceful what this award has become.

Nole fan
11-13-2011, 12:52 AM
Anyone other than Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer.

Tsonga is actually a great sport, Del Po as well. Actually, there are tons of players who don't resort to gamesmanship and refrain from being passive aggressive in interviews. Nishikori has been a great sport in all the matches I've seen from him, whether he's upsetting number 1's or being trounced by Murray and Fed.

:superlol:

MuzzahLovah
11-18-2011, 12:53 AM
'I'm not taking anything away from what Andy did, but was Asia the strongest this year?' asked Federer. 'I'm not sure. Novak (Djokovic) wasn't there, I wasn't there and Rafa lost early. But it has been a good effort by him after losing to Kevin Anderson in Montreal . Don't forget how things were looking then.'

Fed is such a catty, classless person. He sounds like one of his tards. Trying detract from Djokovic's win in the US Open and now this? None of his competitors tried to detract from his wins in Paris and Basel by pointing out he didn't have to beat a single top 5 player to achieve them.

Saberq
11-18-2011, 01:03 AM
Fed is such a catty, classless person. He sounds like one of his tards. Trying detract from Djokovic's win in the US Open and now this? None of his competitors tried to detract from his wins in Paris and Basel by pointing out he didn't have to beat a single top 5 player to achieve them.

I cant believe he said that to be honest ...

rickcastle
11-18-2011, 01:08 AM
That quote from Federer :help:

I like the guy, I always will because he's a tennis player first and foremost and he does his job extremely well. But some of his comments are really not well-thought of.

On topic: I don't think Federer, Nadal or Djokovic should be winning this award, but basically it's become an extension of the YEC no. 1 award so I expect Djokovic will. Tbh, Djokovic may be a clown when he wins but he is the most gracious loser out of the three so I'm fine with that.

MuzzahLovah
11-18-2011, 01:13 AM
That quote from Federer :help:

I like the guy, I always will because he's a tennis player first and foremost and he does his job extremely well. But some of his comments are really not well-thought of.

On topic: I don't think Federer, Nadal or Djokovic should be winning this award, but basically it's become an extension of the YEC no. 1 award so I expect Djokovic will. Tbh, Djokovic may be a clown when he wins but he is the most gracious loser out of the three so I'm fine with that.

Yeah, Djokovic is never sour after a loss, out of respect for his opponents. His celebrations aren't the classiest, but it's much, much harder to lose with grace than to win with it.

paseo
11-18-2011, 01:19 AM
lol Fed.

fast_clay
11-18-2011, 02:51 AM
Disgraceful what this award has become.

the display of what gladiatorial sportsmanship the game of pro tennis has the ability to produce was found inside one match between mahut and isner... i believe this one show, such an example of a fair yet tough-as-nails battle, was enough to secure a joint winner for 2010... their ongoing friendship beyond the event is testament to the respect gained and new friendship forged in the heat of battle... in 2010 there was nothing even remotely close to this in terms of the widespread promotion of sportsmanship...

but, like you say, it is a disgrace what this award has become... so much goes overlooked...

it could even be a tool used to discourage unsportsmanlike conduct and gamesmanship by the current top 2 in the sport... so how irrelevant has this award become then when it so blatantly encourages such a blight on the game...?

barbadosan
11-18-2011, 04:06 AM
Maybe what they should do: instead of allowing the players who walk and talk and play tennis with the nominees for the majority of any year vote on who gets the award, the ATP should let the award be voted on by the posters on MTF, the majority of whom will never have got within 1000 metres of the nominated players, will never have talked with them, spent any time with them, played with them, but are experts on them - from a distance.

Action Jackson
11-18-2011, 04:09 AM
Maybe what they should do: instead of allowing the players who walk and talk and play tennis with the nominees for the majority of any year vote on who gets the award, the ATP should let the award be voted on by the posters on MTF, the majority of whom will never have got within 1000 metres of the nominated players, will never have talked with them, spent any time with them, played with them, but are experts on them - from a distance.

No, how about make it a proper sportsmanship award like it was initially. If they are actually serious then Qureshi should win this easily, but why nominate Federer, Nadal and Djokovic if it's not a popularity contest? As great as these players are which is undisputed, that's not the point of this award.

Pirata.
11-18-2011, 04:18 AM
None of his competitors tried to detract from his wins in Paris and Basel by pointing out he didn't have to beat a single top 5 player to achieve them.

No, but the press sure are :lol:

As if it matters that none of the top three were in Paris this year, most of them never play it in the first place and Roger has lost the last two years to Monfils and Benneteau anyway :o

Aisam :rocker2:

tripwires
11-18-2011, 01:14 PM
Roger or Qureshi. It would be nice if a non-big name won it.

tangerine_dream
11-18-2011, 02:12 PM
Federer, for the classy, gentlemanly way he has of always trashing Murray and Djokovic.

Egreen
11-18-2011, 02:17 PM
Federer.

nalbyfan
11-18-2011, 02:25 PM
Muster

atennisfan
11-18-2011, 02:29 PM
NOT Djokovic.

Maybe Djoker could win 2011 NIkolai Davydenko/David Savic Unsportsmanlike Award?

fast_clay
11-18-2011, 02:34 PM
Muster

fair dues to the old fella but Felix mantilla Would probably veto that one I'd say...

Egreen
11-18-2011, 02:56 PM
NOT Djokovic.



+1.

He retires every time he is about to lose this year. :o

rocketassist
11-18-2011, 03:35 PM
Qureshi deserves it end of.

Corey Feldman
11-18-2011, 03:51 PM
Nadal for his evolution of handshake

especially the Davydenko handshake in Qatar

Saberq
11-18-2011, 05:14 PM
+1.

He retires every time he is about to lose this year. :o

he was injured every time he retired

Action Jackson
11-18-2011, 10:39 PM
fair dues to the old fella but Felix mantilla Would probably veto that one I'd say...

Patrick Rafter as well.

MuzzahLovah
11-18-2011, 10:46 PM
Maybe what they should do: instead of allowing the players who walk and talk and play tennis with the nominees for the majority of any year vote on who gets the award, the ATP should let the award be voted on by the posters on MTF, the majority of whom will never have got within 1000 metres of the nominated players, will never have talked with them, spent any time with them, played with them, but are experts on them - from a distance.

Good sportsmanship isn't a net thing- even if he's a nice guy in private, publicly insulting/detracting from other players should pretty much disqualify you for and award on sportsmanship.

MuzzahLovah
11-18-2011, 10:50 PM
No, but the press sure are :lol:

As if it matters that none of the top three were in Paris this year, most of them never play it in the first place and Roger has lost the last two years to Monfils and Benneteau anyway :o

Aisam :rocker2:

Yeah, the press are like that with everyone. If a press person said something to Djokovic about his season vs Fed's best seasons, it doesn't give him license to point out Fed was dominated on clay even in best seasons by Nadal, while Djokovic has managed to beat the second-best clay-specialist of all time twice on his favorite surface. That's a tard argument to have, beneath a champion.

barbadosan
11-18-2011, 11:13 PM
Good sportsmanship isn't a net thing- even if he's a nice guy in private, publicly insulting/detracting from other players should pretty much disqualify you for and award on sportsmanship.

Well then, I expect that we'll hear you've written to at least everycone of the other 1000 ATP Players and instructed them thereto :rolleyes:

ImmzB
11-18-2011, 11:20 PM
Qureshi !! :rocker2:

MuzzahLovah
11-18-2011, 11:25 PM
Well then, I expect that we'll hear you've written to at least everycone of the other 1000 ATP Players and instructed them thereto :rolleyes:

Nice non sequitur. I'm embarrassed for you and your classless hero.

rocketassist
11-19-2011, 03:05 AM
ATP since EDV took over: Association of Top Players.

Pirata.
11-19-2011, 04:57 AM
Which day do they announce the awards? First day of play?

barbadosan
11-19-2011, 10:00 AM
Nice non sequitur. I'm embarrassed for you and your classless hero.

maybe you should look up the meaning of Latin phrases before you attempt to use them. :angel:

In the meantime, I wouldn't waste too much precious time being embarrassed for my "classless hero". Those millions certainly assuage your unknown and unregistered embarrassment.

solowyn
11-19-2011, 11:07 AM
News is going round that Fed won the Sportsmanship Award (and Fan Fave) :rolls: Poor Nole.

edit:

19 November 2011

DJOKOVIC, FEDERER, NADAL HONOURED WITH 2011 ATP WORLD TOUR AWARDS

Bryan brothers, del Potro, Raonic, Bogomolov among award winners

LONDON - Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal share honours in the 2011 ATP World Tour Awards presented by Moët & Chandon, which were announced in London today on the eve of the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals. Players will receive their awards in special, on-court ceremonies at The O2 throughout the week.

Djokovic receives the year-end ATP World Tour No. 1 award for the first time following a banner year in which he won three Grand Slam titles and a record five ATP World Tour Masters 1000 titles.

Federer edged out his competitors in two award categories, respectively selected by fans and ATP World Tour players. The 30-year-old Swiss extended his reign as the ATPWorldTour.com Fans’ Favourite presented by RICOH to a ninth straight year, and won the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award for a seventh time in eight years. Since 2003, Federer has now won 22 ATP World Tour Awards.

“One of the reasons why I play this wonderful sport is for my fans so I would like to thank them once again for their continued support,” said Federer. “It really is so amazing and means the world to me. It’s also gratifying to be recognised by my fellow players for exhibiting fair play on and off the court. The award is named after Stefan Edberg, one of my childhood idols, so it is even more special.”

Nadal was selected as the recipient of the Arthur Ashe Humanitarian Award for his charitable efforts with the Rafa Nadal Foundation, which provides opportunities for socially disadvantaged youth.

Americans Bob and Mike Bryan also picked up a pair of awards, ATP World Tour No. 1 Doubles Team and ATPWorldTour.com Fans’ Favourite presented by RICOH, for a record seventh time each.

Visit the official 2011 ATP World Tour Awards section on ATPWorldTour.com

Pirata.
11-19-2011, 11:07 AM
Apparently Roger won :rolleyes:

NID. Aisam :hug:

ZaZoo)
11-19-2011, 12:36 PM
Apparently Roger won :rolleyes:

NID.


This.

Nole fan
11-19-2011, 02:48 PM
What a pile of shit. Those must be rigged too.

Ben.
11-19-2011, 03:21 PM
There goes the '3 slams = SES Award' theory.

MM_1257
11-19-2011, 05:03 PM
There goes the '3 slams = SES Award' theory.

:yeah::drool:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-19-2011, 05:05 PM
Qureshi? What the flying fu*k? He is a great person but what he's done has nothing to do with fair play etc.

Mountaindewslave
11-19-2011, 05:19 PM
+1.

He retires every time he is about to lose this year. :o

yeah this probably did hurt his chances of winning the sportsmanship award :o

NID
11-19-2011, 05:43 PM
Expected, Fed is always the most gracious one in defeat.

Nole fan
11-19-2011, 06:57 PM
Player of the Year: Djokovic
Double’s Team of the year: Bryan Brothers
Stephen Edberg Sportsmanship Player (voted by ATP Players): Federer - won it 7 times out of the last 8 years
Comeback Player of the Year (voted by ATP Players): Juan Martin Del Potro
Newcomer of the Year: Milos Raonic
Most Improved Player (voted by ATP Players): Alex Bogomolov, Jr.
Arthus Ashe Humanitarian Award: Nadal
Fan’s Favorite Player: Federer - won it for the 9th consecutive year. Djokovic was 2nd; Nadal 3rd
Fan’s Favorite Double’s Team: Bryan Brothers

Here’s the link for the full awards:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Fans/Fan-Favorite/ATP-World-Tour-Awards-Announced-2011.aspx

Corey Feldman
11-19-2011, 06:58 PM
2 more big wins for the Fed

9 in a row as most pop player on the planet

Edberg winner AGAIN :sport:

Corey Feldman
11-19-2011, 06:59 PM
Expected, Fed is always the most gracious one in defeat.Yes

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-19-2011, 07:58 PM
if nadal wins it then tennis is in a state of disgrace and should commit seppuku to cleanse its disgrace

only federer from the top guys has ever deserved it

the year murray wins a slam i think he deserves one, since he doesnt cheat like 2 certain guys i can think of

fast_clay
11-20-2011, 12:43 AM
the year murray wins a slam i think he deserves one, since he doesnt cheat like 2 certain guys i can think of

:speakles:





















:rocker2:

scarecrows
11-20-2011, 08:10 AM
well done daddy

atennisfan
11-20-2011, 09:30 PM
Player of the Year: Djokovic
Double’s Team of the year: Bryan Brothers
Stephen Edberg Sportsmanship Player (voted by ATP Players): Federer - won it 7 times out of the last 8 years
Comeback Player of the Year (voted by ATP Players): Juan Martin Del Potro
Newcomer of the Year: Milos Raonic
Most Improved Player (voted by ATP Players): Alex Bogomolov, Jr.
Arthus Ashe Humanitarian Award: Nadal
Fan’s Favorite Player: Federer - won it for the 9th consecutive year. Djokovic was 2nd; Nadal 3rd
Fan’s Favorite Double’s Team: Bryan Brothers

Here’s the link for the full awards:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Fans/Fan-Favorite/ATP-World-Tour-Awards-Announced-2011.aspx

Djokovic is world's #1, won 3 slams, and still no fan's favorite?

:rolls:

tangerine_dream
11-21-2011, 09:53 PM
Roger cheapens this prestigious award again. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad006.gif

XPBwjZwpOKw

Nole fan
11-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Djokovic is world's #1, won 3 slams, and still no fan's favorite?

:rolls:

He's happy winning the slams, while the old man is having his consolation prize. :sport:

Slice Winner
11-21-2011, 10:47 PM
Roger cheapens this prestigious award again. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad006.gif

XPBwjZwpOKw

Troll harder, son.

Saberq
11-21-2011, 10:54 PM
so now Djokovic is more popular than Nadal ...nice

habibko
11-22-2011, 12:42 AM
glPN33NkDSE

fans and players alike recognize him as their favorite, the world is in love with him :inlove:

nobama
11-22-2011, 12:51 AM
How many times has pusher duck won SE award or fan favorite dot that matter?

nobama
11-22-2011, 12:52 AM
He's happy winning the slams, while the old man is having his consolation prize. :sport:
But he tries so hard and still gets no love. :sad:

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 01:04 AM
He's happy winning the slams, while the old man is having his consolation prize. :sport:

Yeah, it's not like he has 16 slams. And note that when Federer was winning multiple slams in a year too, he was also getting the SE award and Fans Favorite :wavey:

atennisfan
11-22-2011, 01:26 AM
He's happy winning the slams, while the old man is having his consolation prize. :sport:

We'll see when Nole is already 30 yo old man, see if by then he will have won 16 slams, 5 YEC, 237 consecutive weeks as #1, Stefan Edberg's sportsmanship award for 7th consecutive year, and Fan's favorite award for 9th consecutive year.
We'll also see if Nole will be able to get to Slams final and win Master by the time he is 30.

EliSter
11-22-2011, 01:29 AM
glPN33NkDSE

fans and players alike recognize him as their favorite, the world is in love with him :inlove:

He is our God :hearts:




























:rolleyes:

MuzzahLovah
11-22-2011, 01:38 AM
I don't know how anyone can cheer this graceless thug. He can't give his opponents any credit, yet wins an award for sportsmanship? What a joke.

fifthsetshootout
11-22-2011, 02:12 AM
The players and fans vote for it. End of discussion. If you're a Novak stan or a Muzz stan, I'm sure neither of your players voted for Fed. Fed won anyway, and the fan favorite award too.

I can understand your grievances against Fed, but I'm not sure that depreciates the value of his Sportsmanship Award to the extent that you imply it does. Are you then implying that Novak should win the award for sportsmanship? After retiring three points from defeat in a match he clearly stated he was capable of completing? Are you implying Muzz should have won the award, with his regular obscenity-strewn temper? Or Rafa, who has faced complaints about his time between serves and a couple of his MTOs?

I'm not implying each player is a bad sport and some of these issues are controversial (time, MTOs), with each side having valid points. My point is that Fed is no more flawed than any of your respective players. You can wax on for hours about how XYZ would "never say this about an opponent," but on-court conduct also speaks volumes about the way your opponents will perceive you. On court this year, Fed played his matches with minimal fuss and not too many stand-out incidents--he plays at a quick pace, he doesn't retire from matches (strategically or non-strategically), and he's rarely mouthed off at himself or others.

A perfect composite of the winner of the sportsmanship award would have Fed's on-court manners, Novak's graciousness as a loser, and Rafa's ability to give credit to his opponents. Fed may lack the third, Rafa may lack the second, and Novak/Rafa may lack the first. If Novak had won sportsmanship, people'd be talking about how ridiculous it is for him to receive the award, after retiring three points from defeat in Cincinnati. And so on and so forth.

You know the award is voted by the players, you know that even if Qureshi seems like a lock-in for the award, that the "popularity-based" nature of the award also renders his candidacy an unlikely proposal. So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising of other players as a means to attack the one you're really angry about. Stop and do give a thought to what attributes Fed brings with him to the court. 2011 may be the last year he wins the award, but he's won it 6-7 times now and he's won the Fan Favorite 9 times. There's no way you can dismiss those basic facts. Each time, the players and fans voted for him. Either hold your own private vote and pity-party, or quiet down on the sniping front.

tripwires
11-22-2011, 02:16 AM
The players and fans vote for it. End of discussion. If you're a Novak stan or a Muzz stan, I'm sure neither of your players voted for Fed. Fed won anyway, and the fan favorite award too.

I can understand your grievances against Fed, but I'm not sure that depreciates the value of his Sportsmanship Award to the extent that you imply it does. Are you then implying that Novak should win the award for sportsmanship? After retiring three points from defeat in a match he clearly stated he was capable of completing? Are you implying Muzz should have won the award, with his regular obscenity-strewn temper? Or Rafa, who has faced complaints about his time between serves and a couple of his MTOs?

I'm not implying each player is a bad sport and some of these issues are controversial (time, MTOs), with each side having valid points. My point is that Fed is no more flawed than any of your respective players. You can wax on for hours about how XYZ would "never say this about an opponent," but on-court conduct also speaks volumes about the way your opponents will perceive you. On court this year, Fed played his matches with minimal fuss and not too many stand-out incidents--he plays at a quick pace, he doesn't retire from matches (strategically or non-strategically), and he's rarely mouthed off at himself or others.

A perfect composite of the winner of the sportsmanship award would have Fed's on-court manners, Novak's graciousness as a loser, and Rafa's ability to give credit to his opponents. Fed may lack the third, Rafa may lack the second, and Novak/Rafa may lack the first. If Novak had won sportsmanship, people'd be talking about how ridiculous it is for him to receive the award, after retiring three points from defeat in Cincinnati. And so on and so forth.

You know the award is voted by the players, you know that even if Qureshi seems like a lock-in for the award, that the "popularity-based" nature of the award also renders his candidacy an unlikely proposal. So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising of other players as a means to attack the one you're really angry about. Stop and do give a thought to what attributes Fed brings with him to the court. 2011 may be the last year he wins the award, but he's won it 6-7 times now and he's won the Fan Favorite 9 times. There's no way you can dismiss those basic facts. Each time, the players and fans voted for him. Either hold your own private vote and pity-party, or quiet down on the sniping front.

Standing ovation for this wonderful post. :worship:

atennisfan
11-22-2011, 02:21 AM
Standing ovation for this wonderful post. :worship:

I concur.

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 02:59 AM
Standing ovation for this wonderful post. :worship:

It really is a good post, hope Djokovic and Nadal fans actually read it and don't just reply to it with their usual "neener-neener, our faves won slams this year" rhetorics.

nobama
11-22-2011, 04:00 AM
I don't know how anyone can cheer this graceless thug. He can't give his opponents any credit, yet wins an award for sportsmanship? What a joke.
Bitter much? :lol:

MIMIC
11-22-2011, 04:43 AM
We'll see when Nole is already 30 yo old man, see if by then he will have won 16 slams, 5 YEC, 237 consecutive weeks as #1, Stefan Edberg's sportsmanship award for 7th consecutive year, and Fan's favorite award for 9th consecutive year.
We'll also see if Nole will be able to get to Slams final and win Master by the time he is 30.

But in the decline thread, doing this at 30-years-old doesn't mean shit :stupid: Why are you making a big deal about it in THIS thread? Oh damn, I forgot. Right now, it's convenient.

MuzzahLovah
11-22-2011, 05:00 AM
The players and fans vote for it. End of discussion. If you're a Novak stan or a Muzz stan, I'm sure neither of your players voted for Fed. Fed won anyway, and the fan favorite award too.

I can understand your grievances against Fed, but I'm not sure that depreciates the value of his Sportsmanship Award to the extent that you imply it does. Are you then implying that Novak should win the award for sportsmanship? After retiring three points from defeat in a match he clearly stated he was capable of completing? Are you implying Muzz should have won the award, with his regular obscenity-strewn temper? Or Rafa, who has faced complaints about his time between serves and a couple of his MTOs?

I'm not implying each player is a bad sport and some of these issues are controversial (time, MTOs), with each side having valid points. My point is that Fed is no more flawed than any of your respective players. You can wax on for hours about how XYZ would "never say this about an opponent," but on-court conduct also speaks volumes about the way your opponents will perceive you. On court this year, Fed played his matches with minimal fuss and not too many stand-out incidents--he plays at a quick pace, he doesn't retire from matches (strategically or non-strategically), and he's rarely mouthed off at himself or others.

A perfect composite of the winner of the sportsmanship award would have Fed's on-court manners, Novak's graciousness as a loser, and Rafa's ability to give credit to his opponents. Fed may lack the third, Rafa may lack the second, and Novak/Rafa may lack the first. If Novak had won sportsmanship, people'd be talking about how ridiculous it is for him to receive the award, after retiring three points from defeat in Cincinnati. And so on and so forth.

You know the award is voted by the players, you know that even if Qureshi seems like a lock-in for the award, that the "popularity-based" nature of the award also renders his candidacy an unlikely proposal. So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising of other players as a means to attack the one you're really angry about. Stop and do give a thought to what attributes Fed brings with him to the court. 2011 may be the last year he wins the award, but he's won it 6-7 times now and he's won the Fan Favorite 9 times. There's no way you can dismiss those basic facts. Each time, the players and fans voted for him. Either hold your own private vote and pity-party, or quiet down on the sniping front.

What a load of bullshit. Fed isn't a good sport because he snipes at players in interviews and tries to detract from their victories and accomplishments. Qureshi or some other player outside of the top 4, that actually displayed a modicum of good sportsmanship. Ferrer or Isner or Nishikori or almost anyone would have been better.
"So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising" Maybe you should tell Mr. Sportsmanship that! :haha:

Seriously, every player has fans that make absurd arguments and down other players to support their own favorite. Federer is the only top player to stoop to the level of his tards in interviews.

Kat_YYZ
11-22-2011, 05:01 AM
I don't know how anyone can cheer this graceless thug. He can't give his opponents any credit, yet wins an award for sportsmanship? What a joke.

his opponents don't seem to mind, as they voted for him :wavey:

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 05:11 AM
What a load of bullshit. Fed isn't a good sport because he snipes at players in interviews and tries to detract from their victories and accomplishments. Qureshi or some other player outside of the top 4, that actually displayed a modicum of good sportsmanship. Ferrer or Isner or Nishikori or almost anyone would have been better.
"So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising" Maybe you should tell Mr. Sportsmanship that! :haha:

Seriously, every player has fans that make absurd arguments and down other players to support their own favorite. Federer is the only top player to stoop to the level of his tards in interviews.

A lot of Federer fans (including myself) will agree with you that players like Ferrer, Isner and Nishikori deserves this award more than Federer but it is somewhat a popularity contest and it's honestly mostly a contest between the top players. And between the three most popular players in the world, there is no clear cut case you can make that Djokovic deserves it more than Federer or Nadal deserves it more than Djokovic, and so on and so forth. Because all three players have their faults which is what fifthsetshootout have said.

Mostly, I think SE award is for fair play and as Federer never retires from matches, and I can't even remember the last time Federer asked for an MTO, he doesn't do time delaying tactics - he is considered a fair sportsman on court where it matters the most. Maybe his post match conferences comments leave a lot to be desired, but on court he is a sportsman and I guess in the end, that's what won him this award.

tripwires
11-22-2011, 05:35 AM
What a load of bullshit. Fed isn't a good sport because he snipes at players in interviews and tries to detract from their victories and accomplishments. Qureshi or some other player outside of the top 4, that actually displayed a modicum of good sportsmanship. Ferrer or Isner or Nishikori or almost anyone would have been better.
"So stop with the bitter sniping and the clawing and the passive-aggressive praising" Maybe you should tell Mr. Sportsmanship that! :haha:

Seriously, every player has fans that make absurd arguments and down other players to support their own favorite. Federer is the only top player to stoop to the level of his tards in interviews.

Definition for sportsmanship:
Web definitions: fairness in following the rules of the game.

Anyone who's followed tennis cannot seriously argue that Fed has not been fair in following the rules of the game. In this sense, he fully deserves the award. Is he the only ATP player to exhibit fair play? Obviously not. But compared to Nole and Nadal, he's more deserving. And it's not his fault that more players voted for him than for Qureshi. It's also not his fault that Ferrer, Isner and Nishikori weren't nominated.

Seems to me like you're just bitter that most of whatever Roger's said about Murray has been nothing but the truth. Could he have reined in his criticisms a bit? Sure, he could have. But you can't deny that most of his criticisms have been spot on. You also can't deny that, as far as on-court behaviour and respecting the rules of the game go, Roger's one of the most impeccable players to have ever played the sport.

Action Jackson
11-22-2011, 05:39 AM
A lot of Federer fans (including myself) will agree with you that players like Ferrer, Isner and Nishikori deserves this award more than Federer but it is somewhat a popularity contest and it's honestly mostly a contest between the top players. And between the three most popular players in the world, there is no clear cut case you can make that Djokovic deserves it more than Federer or Nadal deserves it more than Djokovic, and so on and so forth. Because all three players have their faults which is what fifthsetshootout have said.

Mostly, I think SE award is for fair play and as Federer never retires from matches, and I can't even remember the last time Federer asked for an MTO, he doesn't do time delaying tactics - he is considered a fair sportsman on court where it matters the most. Maybe his post match conferences comments leave a lot to be desired, but on court he is a sportsman and I guess in the end, that's what won him this award.

It's a popularity contest pure and simple, if not then Nieminen would have been nominated beforehand.

He took a toilet break to disrupt Davydenko's rhythm at the AO which he admitted, the sportsmanship award winner shouldn't be doing that.

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 05:47 AM
It's a popularity contest pure and simple, if not then Nieminen would have been nominated beforehand.

He took a toilet break to disrupt Davydenko's rhythm at the AO which he admitted, the sportsmanship award winner shouldn't be doing that.

That toilet break was AO'10 and he didn't win SE award for 2010, did he?

Anyway, it is a popularity contest first and foremost. But also, Federer didn't do anything suspicious or dubious this year on the courts as far as I can remember anyway.

tripwires
11-22-2011, 06:00 AM
Nadal won it in 2010 and he did a lot of things last year which the recipient shouldn't be doing, most of which (if not all) Roger has never done.

abraxas21
11-22-2011, 06:02 AM
rigged

Action Jackson
11-22-2011, 06:19 AM
That toilet break was AO'10 and he didn't win SE award for 2010, did he?

Anyway, it is a popularity contest first and foremost. But also, Federer didn't do anything suspicious or dubious this year on the courts as far as I can remember anyway.

Even then none of the top 3 should ever be considered for this award, but it has become a parody. It's a joke lucky Edberg is a quiet guy keeps to himself, as much as I didn't like the guy, at least he was the proper sportsman unlike these 3.

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 06:23 AM
Even then none of the top 3 should ever be considered for this award

I never disagreed with that. But it is voted on by the players and by the nature of it being a popularity contest (ergo, who has the most sportsmanship out of the most popular players in the world), I think Federer does have a case of being a better on court sportsman than Nadal and Djokovic.

Action Jackson
11-22-2011, 06:24 AM
I never disagreed with that.

As we know, it's a popularity contest which has become a parody. Then again the ATP are clowns.

Kat_YYZ
11-22-2011, 06:56 AM
It's a popularity contest pure and simple, if not then Nieminen would have been nominated beforehand.

He took a toilet break to disrupt Davydenko's rhythm at the AO which he admitted, the sportsmanship award winner shouldn't be doing that.

This myth is the biggest steaming pile of :bs: ever perpetrated upon the tennis community. Here's what really happened:

In the first set, Davydenko served for the set at 5-2. He won his service game and won the set 6-2. Federer's toilet break took place at this time... during the break between sets 1 and 2! At most he might have extended an existing break by one minute. If you must take a toilet break, this would be the fairest time to do it; not in the middle of the set (even if it's on your own serve, during the longer 'changeover' break).

And it was on Federer's serve. He served to open the second set. The disrupted, disoriented, utterly shattered Davydenko quickly got up 15-40 on Federer's serve, and had another BP before Federer managed to hold. Davydenko continued in his "Playstation" mode, holding serve and then breaking Federer in Fed's next service game, then held again for 3-1 in the second set. Then Davydenko had two more break points on Federer's serve for a double break. Federer saved these bps, and managed to hold serve, then rattled off like 12 straight games or something. But that was at least 10 (if not 15 minutes) after the fateful toilet break that allegedly rendered the Russian impotent. :rolleyes: I mean come on.

Here's the youtube for anyone who wants to revisit this part of the match
part 4 of 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-9msTW4gE&feature=related
part 5 of 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh2KD5EOU7I&feature=related

For a guy (Federer) who takes one toilet break every two years, and does it at the fairest time possible during a match, using this as evidence of gamesmanship is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

MuzzahLovah
11-22-2011, 07:06 AM
Definition for sportsmanship:
Web definitions: fairness in following the rules of the game.

Anyone who's followed tennis cannot seriously argue that Fed has not been fair in following the rules of the game. In this sense, he fully deserves the award. Is he the only ATP player to exhibit fair play? Obviously not. But compared to Nole and Nadal, he's more deserving. And it's not his fault that more players voted for him than for Qureshi. It's also not his fault that Ferrer, Isner and Nishikori weren't nominated.

Seems to me like you're just bitter that most of whatever Roger's said about Murray has been nothing but the truth. Could he have reined in his criticisms a bit? Sure, he could have. But you can't deny that most of his criticisms have been spot on. You also can't deny that, as far as on-court behaviour and respecting the rules of the game go, Roger's one of the most impeccable players to have ever played the sport.

Can you read? From a fucking dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sportsmanship
": conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport"
Only a tard would try to alter the definition of a word to narrowly define it as not explicitly violating rules on court. Um hurray for Fed? He's disrespectful and ungracious to Djokovic, Murray and others. It simply isn't good sportsmanship.

MuzzahLovah
11-22-2011, 07:09 AM
As we know, it's a popularity contest which has become a parody. Then again the ATP are clowns.

Which makes me a little pissed my parody Efan Stedberg Bad Sportsmanship Award thread was deleted.

Action Jackson
11-22-2011, 07:13 AM
This myth is the biggest steaming pile of :bs: ever perpetrated upon the tennis community. Here's what really happened:

For a guy (Federer) who takes one toilet break every two years, and does it at the fairest time possible during a match, using this as evidence of gamesmanship is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

What are you failing to comprehend? The award is a joke, the fact there are players outside of the top 3 who are legit in sportsmanship stakes shows it's a popularity contest. I have no problem with Federer's press conferences when he states what he thinks, but if you are disrespecting your opponent and he has a few times, then that doesn't come across as good sportsmanship which is what the award is meant to be awarded for.

tripwires
11-22-2011, 08:04 AM
Can you read? From a fucking dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sportsmanship
": conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport"
Only a tard would try to alter the definition of a word to narrowly define it as not explicitly violating rules on court. Um hurray for Fed? He's disrespectful and ungracious to Djokovic, Murray and others. It simply isn't good sportsmanship.

Search for the word "sportsmanship" here: wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

I don't resort to personal attacks much, but you're really just an idiot. Way to go to completely ignore Roger's tremendous respect for the rules of the game, which is as much a part of sportsmanship as graciousness and respect for one's opponent in the definiton that you highlighted, and accusing me of narrowing defining the word to suit my purpose. What a striking story. I honestly think that you're just bitter that your idol has never won a set off Roger when it truly mattered, and that Roger's been pretty much right about Murray all along.

I don't deny that Roger has his moments of lack of graciousness and being a sore loser. But YOU cannot deny that his on-court conduct has been mostly impeccable through his years as a tennis professional. People can actually LIST moments when Roger had an outburst or did something dubious on court, such as the racquet smash in Miami, because they are so far and few in between. I really don't care that people think he's a sore loser for making bitter remarks in press conferences after a loss, but it annoys me to no ends when blind haters hate him to the extent that they don't even recognise that he's played his sport with fairness and utmost respect for the rules.

And also, way to go to make it sound that he's ALWAYS disrespectful towards his rivals. What a joke.

tripwires
11-22-2011, 08:06 AM
What are you failing to comprehend? The award is a joke, the fact there are players outside of the top 3 who are legit in sportsmanship stakes shows it's a popularity contest. I have no problem with Federer's press conferences when he states what he thinks, but if you are disrespecting your opponent and he has a few times, then that doesn't come across as good sportsmanship which is what the award is meant to be awarded for.

I think what you're failing to comprehend in Kat's post is that the toilet break that you cited is not an example of an instance when Roger "disrespected his opponent".

Nole fan
11-22-2011, 09:39 AM
This myth is the biggest steaming pile of :bs: ever perpetrated upon the tennis community. Here's what really happened:

In the first set, Davydenko served for the set at 5-2. He won his service game and won the set 6-2. Federer's toilet break took place at this time... during the break between sets 1 and 2! At most he might have extended an existing break by one minute. If you must take a toilet break, this would be the fairest time to do it; not in the middle of the set (even if it's on your own serve, during the longer 'changeover' break).

And it was on Federer's serve. He served to open the second set. The disrupted, disoriented, utterly shattered Davydenko quickly got up 15-40 on Federer's serve, and had another BP before Federer managed to hold. Davydenko continued in his "Playstation" mode, holding serve and then breaking Federer in Fed's next service game, then held again for 3-1 in the second set. Then Davydenko had two more break points on Federer's serve for a double break. Federer saved these bps, and managed to hold serve, then rattled off like 12 straight games or something. But that was at least 10 (if not 15 minutes) after the fateful toilet break that allegedly rendered the Russian impotent. :rolleyes: I mean come on.

Here's the youtube for anyone who wants to revisit this part of the match
part 4 of 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-9msTW4gE&feature=related
part 5 of 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh2KD5EOU7I&feature=related

For a guy (Federer) who takes one toilet break every two years, and does it at the fairest time possible during a match, using this as evidence of gamesmanship is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Since when having a toilet break is considered gamesmanship? :lol:
Let's forbid toilet breaks, medical time outs and even tiebreaks! Players could just play to death until one of them drops! And maybe then we can consider them proper sportsmen. :yeah:

And Nadal versus Fish the other day... it was so obvious that he felt sick and had some gastroenteritis. Of course he needed the toilet break! Did you want him to shit his pants? Jesus, people you are so unreasonable it's not even funny.

Nole fan
11-22-2011, 09:43 AM
Search for the word "sportsmanship" here: wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

I don't resort to personal attacks much, but you're really just an idiot. Way to go to completely ignore Roger's tremendous respect for the rules of the game, which is as much a part of sportsmanship as graciousness and respect for one's opponent in the definiton that you highlighted, and accusing me of narrowing defining the word to suit my purpose. What a striking story. I honestly think that you're just bitter that your idol has never won a set off Roger when it truly mattered, and that Roger's been pretty much right about Murray all along.

I don't deny that Roger has his moments of lack of graciousness and being a sore loser. But YOU cannot deny that his on-court conduct has been mostly impeccable through his years as a tennis professional. People can actually LIST moments when Roger had an outburst or did something dubious on court, such as the racquet smash in Miami, because they are so far and few in between. I really don't care that people think he's a sore loser for making bitter remarks in press conferences after a loss, but it annoys me to no ends when blind haters hate him to the extent that they don't even recognise that he's played his sport with fairness and utmost respect for the rules.

And also, way to go to make it sound that he's ALWAYS disrespectful towards his rivals. What a joke.

How conveniently people forget Federer's beginnings. He wasn't the poster boy for good behavior on court. He would get angry, smash rackets and do everything the other players do. And then he changed. But he's always been an arrogant and sore loser, that hasn't changed one bit.

Roadmap
11-22-2011, 09:49 AM
Since when having a toilet break is considered gamesmanship? :lol:
Let's forbid toilet breaks, medical time outs and even tiebreaks! Players could just play to death until one of them drops! And maybe then we can consider them proper sportsmen. :yeah:

And Nadal versus Fish the other day... it was so obvious that he felt sick and had some gastroenteritis. Of course he needed the toilet break! Did you want him to shit his pants? Jesus, people you are so unreasonable it's not even funny.

Nadull would finally have been doing something entertaining on a tennis court, so why not? :wavey:

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 10:02 AM
Federer gets such a bad rap for being "arrogant" but all of the top players are arrogant, they just show it in a different manner. Federer does it by petulant comments in interviews, Nadal and Djokovic do it by acting above the rules with their constant time delaying.

If I were a player though I'd rather their unsportsmanship come to me in words (words are just words after all, sticks and stones and all that) after the matches rather than on court while I'm playing getting bothered by their MTO's and constant delays in serving or getting retired on in a match which is an indirect way of saying "you only beat me coz I'm injured." I guess the players feel the same way I do which is why they voted Federer :shrug:

tripwires
11-22-2011, 10:28 AM
How conveniently people forget Federer's beginnings. He wasn't the poster boy for good behavior on court. He would get angry, smash rackets and do everything the other players do. And then he changed. But he's always been an arrogant and sore loser, that hasn't changed one bit.

Exactly - he changed. He sure wasn't racking up awards for sportsmanship when he was behaving like a petulant brat on court. That's why I said "mostly" impeccable in my original post. ;)

I don't doubt that he's a sore loser. If I had the talent that he has, I'd be damn sore about losing to people whom I deem less talented than me. :lol: (For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not implying anything about the precious top 4 in case some tard wants to start another stupid flame war. This is a general comment.) He just hides it better sometimes I guess.

atennisfan
11-22-2011, 11:31 AM
But in the decline thread, doing this at 30-years-old doesn't mean shit :stupid: Why are you making a big deal about it in THIS thread? Oh damn, I forgot. Right now, it's convenient.

What are you talking about?

Fed is NOT winning 16 slam at the age of 30, he won most of them when he was much younger.

And you still cannot seperate two simple, and yet very different concepts.

Your hatred of Fed really makes your mind dull.
:rolls:

nobama
11-22-2011, 11:59 AM
For a guy (Federer) who takes one toilet break every two years, and does it at the fairest time possible during a match, using this as evidence of gamesmanship is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
What do you expect this is MTF after all. :shrug:

nobama
11-22-2011, 12:09 PM
I scratched my head when #2 got this award last year but perhaps there are things they're doing off court or behind the scenes that we don't know about that the other players consider good sportsmanship. I doubt any of these players have a gun put to their head telling them they have to give this award to Fed or #2. Both Fed and #2 were re-elected as president and vice president of the players council so obviously they're doing something right in the eyes of the other players.

DrJules
11-22-2011, 12:14 PM
Since when having a toilet break is considered gamesmanship? :lol:
Let's forbid toilet breaks, medical time outs and even tiebreaks! Players could just play to death until one of them drops! And maybe then we can consider them proper sportsmen. :yeah:

And Nadal versus Fish the other day... it was so obvious that he felt sick and had some gastroenteritis. Of course he needed the toilet break! Did you want him to shit his pants? Jesus, people you are so unreasonable it's not even funny.


As long as the inability to differentiate the genuine cases (the ones most want allowed) from the abuses (the ones most want banned) it will raise issues. In many ways players' manipulation of the rules has triggered the hostility to it, but the genuine cases mean it would be inappropriate to change any of the rules stopping these various breaks although the injury time out rule was tightened owing to abuses.

Corey Feldman
11-22-2011, 12:40 PM
leave Fed alone

he deserves the Stefan Fedberg award

he's a gracious loser and has never once disrespected an opponent

Start da Game
11-22-2011, 01:44 PM
as usual blind arse loving from the blind breed......nothing less, nothing more, nothing different......

travesty is one world that came to mind when i heard that stefan edberg award was once again handed to the wily old witch targeting and attacking young slamless players like murray all the time......

the award's credibility has reached zero today with it being handed to this disgraceful loser once again......either suspend this award or just let a knowledgeable panel elect the winner......

either atp players are morons or ITF are heavily bribing lesser atp players to vote for federina to strengthen their farce "goat" campaign further and draw even more no. of clueless new fans to the sport of tennis......

scarecrows
11-22-2011, 01:57 PM
good win for federer

let blind hate flow freely

ExpectedWinner
11-22-2011, 04:48 PM
Correct choice. The lesser evil was selected.

Matt01
11-22-2011, 06:29 PM
leave Fed alone

he deserves the Stefan Fedberg award

he's a gracious loser and has never once disrespected an opponent


Deluded fanboy :spit:

Kat_YYZ
11-22-2011, 08:33 PM
good win for federer

let blind sportsmanship flow freely

fixed ;) :p

Kat_YYZ
11-22-2011, 09:01 PM
What are you failing to comprehend? The award is a joke, the fact there are players outside of the top 3 who are legit in sportsmanship stakes shows it's a popularity contest. I have no problem with Federer's press conferences when he states what he thinks, but if you are disrespecting your opponent and he has a few times, then that doesn't come across as good sportsmanship which is what the award is meant to be awarded for.
whatever, AJ... just WHUT-ever. I highlighted the relevant part of your post that I was responding to. Now you ignore my rebuttal and focus on the other aspect of your original post. :rolleyes:
But I'm not gonna let the bs story go. It's mutating to where people think Fed walked up to the net on 30-0 on Davy's serve, pulled out his dick, pissed on Davy's side of the court and then forced Davy to wipe it up with his shrit and then put the shirt back on.

If you want to criticize the nomination process, fine. But don't think you're gonna sneak in that little dig at Fed and not get challenged.

Corey Feldman
11-22-2011, 09:02 PM
Deluded fanboy :spit:does tonight not prove why Fed deserved to win it? he chose not to totally humiliate Nadull and gave him 3 games

atennisfan
11-22-2011, 09:32 PM
good win for federer

let blind hate flow freely

I agree.

It's pretty sad to see that such hatred could consume a person like SdG

Action Jackson
11-22-2011, 09:38 PM
whatever, AJ... just WHUT-ever. I highlighted the relevant part of your post that I was responding to. Now you ignore my rebuttal and focus on the other aspect of your original post. :rolleyes:
But I'm not gonna let the bs story go. It's mutating to where people think Fed walked up to the net on 30-0 on Davy's serve, pulled out his dick, pissed on Davy's side of the court and then forced Davy to wipe it up with his shrit and then put the shirt back on.

If you want to criticize the nomination process, fine. But don't think you're gonna sneak in that little dig at Fed and not get challenged.

Still fail to get it. It's not a sportsmanship award and hasn't been for ages, if you can't acknowledge that then it's just a circular argument.

Nadal should not have got it last season or ever be nominated for this award. Same for Federer this season, but when you have these 3 as the main contenders of course he will win out over Djokovic or Nadal as he has done for so many years now.

Yes, toilet breaks are never used to break opponents rhythm. Lets talk smack about the opponents as well, you can spin it however you want.

habibko
11-22-2011, 09:40 PM
Yes, toilet breaks are never used to break opponents rhythm.

I remember that one quite clearly, Federer didn't take much longer than the normal break time between sets, maybe an extra 20 seconds or so

I think his comment on the sun moving from the court post-match was more in jest than anything, if he really did that to disturb Davydenko's rhythm he would have done it a lot more often in his career

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 11:01 PM
I remember that one quite clearly, Federer didn't take much longer than the normal break time between sets, maybe an extra 20 seconds or so

I think his comment on the sun moving from the court post-match was more in jest than anything, if he really did that to disturb Davydenko's rhythm he would have done it a lot more often in his career

And even if he did do it to disturb Davydenko's rhythm, it's funny how it seems to be the ONLY thing people have to say about Federer's supposed gamesmanship. Like Kat_YYZ said, if a perfectly valid bathroom break in between sets is all you have to support Federer's "gamesmanship", that's pretty much the definition of scraping the bottom of the barrel.

It's a popularity contest, not disagreeing with that. But like I said, popularity contest ergo who has the most sportsmanship out of the 3 most popular players in the world? And I think Federer has a good case of him being a better oncourt sportsman than Djokovic and Nadal.

Anyway, this award has lost its meaning after Nadal won it last year after the stuff he pulled at Wimbledon so... :shrug: for me, the Fans Favorite award is more important and glad Federer won it again.

Matt01
11-22-2011, 11:32 PM
And even if he did do it to disturb Davydenko's rhythm, it's funny how it seems to be the ONLY thing people have to say about Federer's supposed gamesmanship.

Anyway, this award has lost its meaning after Nadal won it last year after the stuff he pulled at Wimbledon so... :shrug: for me, the Fans Favorite award is more important and glad Federer won it again.


So when Nadal won it, it lost its meaning, but when Fed got it 15 years in a row because he was #1, it was still valid, right? And I'm sure I have read also other arguments why Fed should not have won this award...

rocketassist
11-22-2011, 11:51 PM
Since when having a toilet break is considered gamesmanship? :lol:
Let's forbid toilet breaks, medical time outs and even tiebreaks! Players could just play to death until one of them drops! And maybe then we can consider them proper sportsmen. :yeah:

And Nadal versus Fish the other day... it was so obvious that he felt sick and had some gastroenteritis. Of course he needed the toilet break! Did you want him to shit his pants? Jesus, people you are so unreasonable it's not even funny.

why not?

VFgtYXQ8wgI

tripwires
11-22-2011, 11:55 PM
I remember that one quite clearly, Federer didn't take much longer than the normal break time between sets, maybe an extra 20 seconds or so

I think his comment on the sun moving from the court post-match was more in jest than anything, if he really did that to disturb Davydenko's rhythm he would have done it a lot more often in his career

Exactly. It's hilarious how many people are actually mistaken in thinking that he "admitted" to using the toilet break to disrupt Davy's rhythm. I have no words. :worship:

So when Nadal won it, it lost its meaning, but when Fed got it 15 years in a row because he was #1, it was still valid, right? And I'm sure I have read also other arguments why Fed should not have won this award...

I think the point is that Nadal is the worst person to win the sportsmanship award out of the top players because of his constant questionable gamesmanship antics on court. Like other people have said in this thread, the only instance of "gamesmanship" that can be cited for the case against Rog winning it is that stupid toilet break. Comparing the two, who's more deserving? In the same vein, how was Nadal deserving of it last year? Ergo, the award lost all meaning because it went to someone undeserving.

Nole fan
11-23-2011, 12:15 AM
Exactly. It's hilarious how many people are actually mistaken in thinking that he "admitted" to using the toilet break to disrupt Davy's rhythm. I have no words. :worship:



I think the point is that Nadal is the worst person to win the sportsmanship award out of the top players because of his constant questionable gamesmanship antics on court. Like other people have said in this thread, the only instance of "gamesmanship" that can be cited for the case against Rog winning it is that stupid toilet break. Comparing the two, who's more deserving? In the same vein, how was Nadal deserving of it last year? Ergo, the award lost all meaning because it went to someone undeserving.

Gamesmanship in my opinion doesn't only happen on court. It also happens off court. You have to take care of what you say and be a gentleman. So Federer and Nadal are balanced out. Federer behaves perfectly on court while he's an arrogant prick off it. Nadal behaves suspiciously on court while he's the perfect gentleman and gracious loser off it. Why is one better than the other?

Saberq
11-23-2011, 12:20 AM
Gamesmanship in my opinion doesn't only happen on court. It also happens off court. You have to take care of what you say and be a gentleman. So Federer and Nadal are balanced out. Federer behaves perfectly on court while he's an arrogant prick off it. Nadal behaves suspiciously on court while he's the perfect gentleman and gracious loser off it. Why is one better than the other?

because the outcome of the match is decided on court .....FYI not saying Nadal is a cheater

rickcastle
11-23-2011, 01:16 AM
So when Nadal won it, it lost its meaning, but when Fed got it 15 years in a row because he was #1, it was still valid, right? And I'm sure I have read also other arguments why Fed should not have won this award...

Tbh, as a Federer fan I do think the award started losing its meaning when Federer was the only one winning it when there are players more deserving, hereby turning it into a popularity award. But as far as the hybrid of SE-Popularity contest awards go, it lost its meaning even more when Nadal won it because he has the least on court sportsmanship out of all the most popular players.

Gamesmanship in my opinion doesn't only happen on court. It also happens off court. You have to take care of what you say and be a gentleman. So Federer and Nadal are balanced out. Federer behaves perfectly on court while he's an arrogant prick off it. Nadal behaves suspiciously on court while he's the perfect gentleman and gracious loser off it. Why is one better than the other?

As Saberq has said, results are decided on court, not off court. So if I am a player, I will prefer if my opponent plays mind games with me off the court rather than during the match. You can mouth off all you want off court, it just makes you sound like a prick and a sore loser and it doesn't change the outcome of the match.

abraxas21
11-23-2011, 01:43 AM
Gamesmanship in my opinion doesn't only happen on court. It also happens off court. You have to take care of what you say and be a gentleman. So Federer and Nadal are balanced out. Federer behaves perfectly on court while he's an arrogant prick off it. Nadal behaves suspiciously on court while he's the perfect gentleman and gracious loser off it. Why is one better than the other?

no

nadal plays mind games by negating he's the favourite on clay against any random mug. he's known not only for wanting to take the pressure off him but also for putting onto the shoulders of his rivals.

as for on court antics v. off court comments, it's pretty evident the former is much less sportsmanlike. for one thing on court antics have a direct impact on the outcome of a match whereas whatever bitter/arrogant/stupid/normal stuff one might say in a press conference won't (and not at all if it's after the match, which is olderer's case most of the times)

HKz
11-23-2011, 01:52 AM
Gamesmanship in my opinion doesn't only happen on court. It also happens off court. You have to take care of what you say and be a gentleman. So Federer and Nadal are balanced out. Federer behaves perfectly on court while he's an arrogant prick off it. Nadal behaves suspiciously on court while he's the perfect gentleman and gracious loser off it. Why is one better than the other?

Nadal can't be arrogant with his English off court :o

Arkulari
11-23-2011, 03:41 AM
no

nadal plays mind games by negating he's the favourite on clay against any random mug. he's known not only for wanting to take the pressure off him but also for putting onto the shoulders of his rivals.

as for on court antics v. off court comments, it's pretty evident the former is much less sportsmanlike. for one thing on court antics have a direct impact on the outcome of a match whereas whatever bitter/arrogant/stupid/normal stuff one might say in a press conference won't (and not at all if it's after the match, which is olderer's case most of the times)

I disagree with Rafa's mind game playing, I think he's just like that, same as Roger is honest to the point of being asshole-ish at times.

And yes, those words after the matches have no impact on it.

tripwires
11-23-2011, 05:03 AM
Gamesmanship in my opinion doesn't only happen on court. It also happens off court. You have to take care of what you say and be a gentleman. So Federer and Nadal are balanced out. Federer behaves perfectly on court while he's an arrogant prick off it. Nadal behaves suspiciously on court while he's the perfect gentleman and gracious loser off it. Why is one better than the other?

I disagree. There are no stated rules tennis, or perhaps most, if not all, sports, mandating players to be polite to each other off-court. However, there are tons of rules put in place to police on-court behaviour to ensure fair play as far as possible. Tennis players are not obliged to be nice to each other when they're not playing a match, but they are obliged to follow the stated rules of the sport that they choose to play. Whatever they choose to say off court is their own business, and it's entirely on them if they choose to say things that make themselves look like sore losers, etc. But it's not at all up to them to break the rules of the game.

And of course, tennis is traditionally a gentleman's sport, and thus players are expected to behave like gentlemen - on court. Off court, again, it's really their own problem. Mouthing off at opponents in post-match interviews makes a player look like a sore loser, but it's nothing compared to time-delaying tactics employed during a match with the intention of disrupting your opponent's rhythm, or even throwing a hissy fit when you're losing a match.

Also, while I agree that Rog isn't always the most gracious loser, I think Nadal has had his moments as well. :)

stewietennis
11-23-2011, 05:45 AM
nonadal plays mind games by negating he's the favourite on clay against any random mug. he's known not only for wanting to take the pressure off him but also for putting onto the shoulders of his rivals.

So Nadal should admit that he's the best on clay and any opponent doesn't even have 1% of his talent?

If Nadal makes a comment that puts the pressure on his opponents – how about this – they can do the same. Everyone knows Nadal the favourite on clay, if an opponent is daft enough to believe otherwise the problem isn't with Nadal.

rickcastle
11-23-2011, 07:24 AM
So Nadal should admit that he's the best on clay and any opponent doesn't even have 1% of his talent?

If Nadal makes a comment that puts the pressure on his opponents – how about this – they can do the same. Everyone knows Nadal the favourite on clay, if an opponent is daft enough to believe otherwise the problem isn't with Nadal.

That's not the point. Of course the opponent is daft if he believes that Nadal is not the favorite but the point is Nadal is still playing mind games and therefore guilty of off court gamesmanship as well, regardless of how his opponent reacts to this.

samanosuke
11-23-2011, 11:30 AM
Surely Roger. He was so nice, he gifted Nadal that 3 games .

Nole fan
11-23-2011, 12:15 PM
I disagree. There are no stated rules tennis, or perhaps most, if not all, sports, mandating players to be polite to each other off-court. However, there are tons of rules put in place to police on-court behaviour to ensure fair play as far as possible. Tennis players are not obliged to be nice to each other when they're not playing a match, but they are obliged to follow the stated rules of the sport that they choose to play. Whatever they choose to say off court is their own business, and it's entirely on them if they choose to say things that make themselves look like sore losers, etc. But it's not at all up to them to break the rules of the game.

And of course, tennis is traditionally a gentleman's sport, and thus players are expected to behave like gentlemen - on court. Off court, again, it's really their own problem. Mouthing off at opponents in post-match interviews makes a player look like a sore loser, but it's nothing compared to time-delaying tactics employed during a match with the intention of disrupting your opponent's rhythm, or even throwing a hissy fit when you're losing a match.

Also, while I agree that Rog isn't always the most gracious loser, I think Nadal has had his moments as well. :)

The problem here is that you think it's a given that nadal and djokovic break the rules. But they don't. Otherwise they would be warned and fined, that's why the rules exist. All you people say are pressumptions based on your like/dislike of a player. The rules are there for the umpires and officials to impose them and if they don't it's their own fault. Rafa and Nole have received numerous warnings for the time they take to serve but I don't believe that's deliberate or gamesmanship, it's completely unconscious from their part, they can't help it, and I don't see why that is breaking the rules.
And medical time outs? they're there for a reason, they're completely legal. Retirements? same thing. So on what base do you accuse them of gamesmanship? It's all bollocks.

mark73
11-23-2011, 12:23 PM
They should rename the award "The Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship award for a player in the top 3". The award is a joke. It is simply for publicity to draw attention to a star player so long as he does not take part in criminal activity. :lol:

It may be good for tennis but I can almost guarantee you that the best sportsmanship is displayed by players not even nominated for this award.

tripwires
11-23-2011, 12:45 PM
The problem here is that you think it's a given that nadal and djokovic break the rules. But they don't. Otherwise they would be warned and fined, that's why the rules exist. All you people say are pressumptions based on your like/dislike of a player. The rules are there for the umpires and officials to impose them and if they don't it's their own fault. Rafa and Nole have received numerous warnings for the time they take to serve but I don't believe that's deliberate or gamesmanship, it's completely unconscious from their part, they can't help it, and I don't see why that is breaking the rules.
And medical time outs? they're there for a reason, they're completely legal. Retirements? same thing. So on what base do you accuse them of gamesmanship? It's all bollocks.

Again I disagree completely. Nadal and Djokovic both know how long they're allowed between points and between serves. They continue to take way longer than allowed. Nadal is more guilty (guiltier? Brain fried after watching Roger's masterclass) of this than Djokovic is. I distinctly remember BOTH of them getting a time violation warning at the US Open final this year. Isn't this proof enough? Just because they don't get fined doesn't mean that they hadn't broken the rules. And it's breaking the rules simply because they KNOW what the rules are and yet they don't do anything to change their "unconscious" habits. Even if it's not deliberate, the rules are the rules. Nobody should get a free pass just because it's a habit. In this sense, though, I agree with you that it's on the umpires to enforce the rules. It's honestly quite stupid that they don't, although on the WTA side, Ivanovic was defaulted an entire game this year for taking too long during a bathroom break. THIS is what should happen, not the current situation when many people (fans here and commentators and journalists alike) think that Player X is taking too long on purpose and nothing's been done about it. Maybe the rules are enforced for the lower ranked players or at the Challenger. If that's so, it's still bullshit that the top players continue to get away with it.

MTOs are legit until a player starts to use them to disrupt his opponent's rhythm. Nadal's guilty of this. Djokovic, not so much, at least not in recent times. Nadal's MTO against Petzschner in Wimbledon last year was suspicious to say the least. And tongues only start wagging when a player pulls something suspicious too often.

I have no issues with retirements per se; it can't be gamesmanship if the match ends right there and then and the retiring player's opponent wins. But sometimes I prefer players to take a beating like a man. Case in point: Roger sticking it out in his RR match against Murray at the Masters Cup in Shanghai 2008. But then, this is just a personal thing and I don't think it really has a huge bearing on a player's sportsmanship; I get the sense that it was just Roger sticking to his principles and I admire him for that.

And sometimes, when a player retires too often, you just can't help but wonder if the reasons behind it are legit. Djokovic used to be guilty of this, but thankfully he's been much better this year.

nobama
11-23-2011, 12:58 PM
When people say there are other players more deserving what are they basing that on? Is there something specific these other players are doing that should be called out? And if it's so obvious to MTF'ers then why isn't it obvious to the players who decide this? I get that the fan favorite award is a popularity contest and most likely one of the top, most well known player will win that. But if the SE award is the same it's the players who have decided to make it that way. Even if they don't have a say on who is nominated I doubt anyone is forcing them to vote for Fed (or #2). :shrug:

Matt01
11-23-2011, 03:58 PM
Surely Roger. He was so nice, he gifted Nadal that 3 games .


Nice to have you back. Now leave again :bigwave:

stewietennis
11-23-2011, 08:47 PM
That's not the point. Of course the opponent is daft if he believes that Nadal is not the favorite but the point is Nadal is still playing mind games and therefore guilty of off court gamesmanship as well, regardless of how his opponent reacts to this.

Reporters ask him questions like that all the time though – "Do you believe you're the man to beat here?", "Who's the favourite to win this event?"… etc – it's not just a Nadal proclamation that he's not the favourite at an event to throw off his opponent's game. It's questions from reporters and he has to respond to loaded questions sometimes, just like Roger. What's Nadal supposed to say? Just ignore the question or say that he is the favourite and come off as a douchebag?

rickcastle
11-23-2011, 11:16 PM
Reporters ask him questions like that all the time though – "Do you believe you're the man to beat here?", "Who's the favourite to win this event?"… etc – it's not just a Nadal proclamation that he's not the favourite at an event to throw off his opponent's game. It's questions from reporters and he has to respond to loaded questions sometimes, just like Roger. What's Nadal supposed to say? Just ignore the question or say that he is the favourite and come off as a douchebag?

I think you can be honest without being a douchebag about it and say, "I've won the event 5 times so I guess I am the favorite but there are other players also who can beat me here" instead of flat out saying you're not the favorite when you clearly are. You're acting like it's either you're a douchebag or a liar when there's actually the middle ground of polite honesty. Before the ascent of Djokovic, Nadal was being a liar when he said he's not the favorite for Roland Garros and other tournaments he won a bazillion times and therefore playing mind games. End of.

madmax
11-23-2011, 11:56 PM
I think you can be honest without being a douchebag about it and say, "I've won the event 5 times so I guess I am the favorite but there are other players also who can beat me here" instead of flat out saying you're not the favorite when you clearly are. You're acting like it's either you're a douchebag or a liar when there's actually the middle ground of polite honesty. Before the ascent of Djokovic, Nadal was being a liar when he said he's not the favorite for Roland Garros and other tournaments he won a bazillion times and therefore playing mind games. End of.

this...
Nadull's fake humble persona is the most annoying thing about him, maybe only except his butt-picking antics. Not only a cheater is dishonest, but he is also a dirty mug. Disgraceful

stewietennis
11-24-2011, 12:03 AM
I think you can be honest without being a douchebag about it and say, "I've won the event 5 times so I guess I am the favorite but there are other players also who can beat me here" instead of flat out saying you're not the favorite when you clearly are. You're acting like it's either you're a douchebag or a liar when there's actually the middle ground of polite honesty. Before the ascent of Djokovic, Nadal was being a liar when he said he's not the favorite for Roland Garros and other tournaments he won a bazillion times and therefore playing mind games. End of.

Even going by your statement of "I've won the event 5 times so I guess I am the favourite but there are other players also who can beat me here", you'll be viewed as a liar "You GUESS you're the favourite? You've won this event ever since you entered, how can you say there are players who can beat you?". If you were to be really honest, you'll take out the "GUESS" and the the false statement of "anyone can beat you on the surface" because history says otherwise, now make a politically correct statement about that.

Federer, an older man who is rather well spoken, is crucified for being an arrogant jerk when he even hints about having a leg up on others (even if it's obvious that he does). Now put that together with the language barrier and people are expecting a twenty-something to express himself in a tactful way every time?

bjurra
11-24-2011, 12:11 AM
Very few posts in this thread actually include a suggestion for who should win the award.

I think Baghdatis should get it, he is incredibly nice, I don't think anyone dislikes him.

rickcastle
11-24-2011, 12:24 AM
Even going by your statement of "I've won the event 5 times so I guess I am the favourite but there are other players also who can beat me here", you'll be viewed as a liar "You GUESS you're the favourite? You've won this event ever since you entered, how can you say there are players who can beat you?". If you were to be really honest, you'll take out the "GUESS" and the the false statement of "anyone can beat you on the surface" because history says otherwise, now make a politically correct statement about that.

Federer, an older man who is rather well spoken, is crucified for being an arrogant jerk when he even hints about having a leg up on others (even if it's obvious that he does). Now put that together with the language barrier and people are expecting a twenty-something to express himself in a tactful way every time?

You're reaching. There are other players who can beat Nadal, Soderling did, Federer can, Djokovic can, Del Potro can, even Isner nearly did. It's not like he's saying "There are other players who WILL beat me." He's going to be saying there's a possibility, and there always is. That's not lying. Take out the "guess" if that satisfies you :lol: It still doesn't change anything. You can be polite and honest with your answers, without being a douchebag or a liar.

Honestly, if you can't find the middle ground, I don't know how you function in your life.

And nobody is expecting Nadal to be tactful every time, read back on the thread please. Someone made a statement about how Nadal is perfectly gracious and gentlemanly off court and we're just stating that he plays mind games too like Federer does except he's more subtle and "humble" about it.

Action Jackson
11-24-2011, 12:31 AM
Very few posts in this thread actually include a suggestion for who should win the award.

I think Baghdatis should get it, he is incredibly nice, I don't think anyone dislikes him.

Nieminen should have won it at least once. Baghdatis that's a solid call.

Getta
11-24-2011, 12:34 AM
ela Markouli :rocker2:

nobama
11-24-2011, 01:36 AM
Very few posts in this thread actually include a suggestion for who should win the award.

I think Baghdatis should get it, he is incredibly nice, I don't think anyone dislikes him.well if that's the criteria then most of the tour should get it at some point. I'm assuming most of the pros are nice guys.

Getta
11-24-2011, 01:57 AM
well if that's the criteria then most of the tour should get it at some point. I'm assuming most of the pros are nice guys.

some are nicer than others

and there's always the nicest

Nole fan
11-24-2011, 10:06 AM
I think Del Potro should get the award, he's incredibly nice. I don't support him in any way, but I think he's one of the nicest and most polite on tour.

henke007
11-24-2011, 10:09 AM
Nieminen

bjurra
11-24-2011, 11:35 AM
well if that's the criteria then most of the tour should get it at some point. I'm assuming most of the pros are nice guys.

Being nice goes hand in hand with sportsmanship. And while most players behave well most of the time, few players are consistently nice regardless how they feel on court. Nieminen and Baghdatis are such players.

shanks
11-29-2011, 10:15 PM
Have the results been announced already? Please let me know. Thanks

shanks
11-29-2011, 10:23 PM
Federer is the winner then? Thanks :)

SetSampras
11-29-2011, 10:58 PM
With all his arrogant post match bullshit hes said over the years.. How did he even win it once?

shanks
11-29-2011, 11:13 PM
With all his arrogant post match bullshit hes said over the years.. How did he even win it once?

Granted he has said some wrong things in his interviews. However, I think this award relates to fair play on the court. And that is where he triumphs over others in my humble opinion. He does not allow any time wasting, celebrating over unforced errors of opponents or offset the opponent in any manner, sort or form. He just plays tennis , plain and simple. This might be the catalyst to him winning the award multiple times

Topspindoctor
11-29-2011, 11:39 PM
Granted he has said some wrong things in his interviews. However, I think this award relates to fair play on the court. And that is where he triumphs over others in my humble opinion. He does not allow any time wasting, celebrating over unforced errors of opponents or offset the opponent in any manner, sort or form. He just plays tennis , plain and simple. This might be the catalyst to him winning the award multiple times

Federer regularly "come ons" on UE's.

tripwires
11-30-2011, 12:28 AM
Federer regularly "come ons" on UE's.

Misrepresentation at the highest level. Like most of the top players, he doesn't do that on a regular basis, if at all.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-30-2011, 10:14 AM
Qureshi deserves it really

federer- yeah, he's a great ambassador- but ultimately what he's done pales in comparisson to Qureshi

nadal and nole- seriously guys- 2 guys who have fucked up tennis with cheating, time wasting, fake injuries- medical timeouts and shit play?

fuck that- murray before them

tripwires
11-30-2011, 11:19 AM
^^Agree re. Nadal, but Nole at least is mostly a gracious loser and I like that he's the only top player to applaud his opponents' brilliant shots.

Nole fan
11-30-2011, 12:00 PM
Granted he has said some wrong things in his interviews. However, I think this award relates to fair play on the court. And that is where he triumphs over others in my humble opinion. He does not allow any time wasting, celebrating over unforced errors of opponents or offset the opponent in any manner, sort or form. He just plays tennis , plain and simple. This might be the catalyst to him winning the award multiple times

Yeah he only waives his little finger and celebrates like he's the new number 1. :rolls:

Nole fan
11-30-2011, 12:01 PM
Qureshi deserves it really

federer- yeah, he's a great ambassador- but ultimately what he's done pales in comparisson to Qureshi

nadal and nole- seriously guys- 2 guys who have fucked up tennis with cheating, time wasting, fake injuries- medical timeouts and shit play?

fuck that- murray before them

Shit play? What a disgrace poster you are. :facepalm:

tripwires
11-30-2011, 12:06 PM
Yeah he only [waves] his little finger and celebrates like he's the new number 1. :rolls:

Better than chest-thumping.

BTW, fixed your spelling for you.

barbadosan
11-30-2011, 12:07 PM
Yeah he only waives his little finger and celebrates like he's the new number 1. :rolls:

The number of times you've brought up that 3-second event - man, that loss must have really hurt

tripwires
11-30-2011, 12:09 PM
The number of times you've brought up that 3-second event - man, that loss must have really hurt

It's about as bad as MuzzahLovah's obsession with Fed's comments about Murray's Asian swing.

Shinoj
11-30-2011, 12:15 PM
it has to be said that Djokovic is a Midget in front of Federer in terms of Sportmanship. Federer has rarely whined about the number of matches,physical and emotional exhaustion etc.

Federer is an epitomy of Sportsman spirit.

Sapeod
11-30-2011, 12:19 PM
Qureshi would've been a good winner, but of course the GOAT wins it. The best player of all time and one of the most sporting (on court) of all time. Great stuff, glad he won instead of those two cheating fakers.

Shinoj
11-30-2011, 12:20 PM
If Nadal would have won Stefan Edberg Sportmanship Award then Edberg would have committed suicide.

Sophocles
11-30-2011, 01:15 PM
Obviously Federer deserves it ahead of Nadal & probably Djokovic too, who is an exceptionally gracious loser but in other respects somewhat dubious. But ahead of everybody, so many times? Unlike Djokovic, he is not a particularly gracious loser, even on court, and often whines at the umpire (usually about Hawkeye) when the match isn't going his way. I can't help feeling the award goes to the most sporting high-profile player. Somebody like Baghdatis surely displays even better sportsmanship.

Action Jackson
11-30-2011, 01:18 PM
Obviously Federer deserves it ahead of Nadal & probably Djokovic too, who is an exceptionally gracious loser but in other respects somewhat dubious. But ahead of everybody, so many times? Unlike Djokovic, he is not a particularly gracious loser, even on court, and often whines at the umpire (usually about Hawkeye) when the match isn't going his way. I can't help feeling the award goes to the most sporting high-profile player. Somebody like Baghdatis surely displays even better sportsmanship.

This is the problem with the award.

Lleyton_
11-30-2011, 01:27 PM
The problem is the organization or players (not sure how it works) that nominate the same names over and over again. That is the rigged part.

Nole fan
11-30-2011, 03:38 PM
The number of times you've brought up that 3-second event - man, that loss must have really hurt

Not at all. I'm just proving a point that Federer is by no means the best sporstman on court. Off it we already know he's one of the worst.

rickcastle
11-30-2011, 03:42 PM
Not at all. I'm just proving a point that Federer is by no means the best sporstman on court. Off it we already know he's one of the worst.

Except that finger wagging was done when the match was already OVER. So technically, it's still off court. On court sportsmanship are things that directly affect the way the match goes.

barbadosan
11-30-2011, 03:42 PM
Not at all. I'm just proving a point that Federer is by no means the best sporstman on court. Off it we already know he's one of the worst.

I guess you need to spread the word to his fellow players then; they obviously don't know him as well as you do :)

Start da Game
11-30-2011, 03:51 PM
The number of times you've brought up that 3-second event - man, that loss must have really hurt

i have never seen a more protective fan woman than you......i thought you had some beef only with me because i pissed you off a couple of times stating just truths but apparently it seems like you can't digest anyone who doesn't agree with your blind worshiping......remember that not everyone worships your weak goddess......

there are other players who owned him on the biggest stages and have shown tenfold more respect in losses......now stop gathering your fellow worshipers and stop attacking nole fan......

tennis2tennis
11-30-2011, 03:52 PM
I guess you need to spread the word to his fellow players then; they obviously don't know him as well as you do :)

:haha:

Amen...Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award is voted by the players if he fucked with them on court I doubt they'd vote for him...

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/778667/80655217.jpg

munZe konZa
11-30-2011, 03:55 PM
Nike marketing at work...
Funny how Fed gets so called sportsmanship awards when he admits that he doesnt even notice anyone else and regularly downtalks after every loss.

Start da Game
11-30-2011, 04:01 PM
Nike marketing at work...
Funny how Fed gets so called sportsmanship awards when he admits that he doesnt even notice anyone else and regularly downtalks after every loss.

i think it's the bribe that does it......you never know......when a few top 100 players are protected when they are caught in dope tests, there is a distinct possibility that lesser players are bribed to vote for that swiss in this useless rigged award called stefan edberg "sportsmanship" award.....

ITF and nike collectively run this "goat" campaign of theirs and they need to strengthen that campaign as much as possible to drag more number of novices towards the sport every year......

i never thought tennis would turn into such a whorish and utterly commercial sport......

Nole fan
11-30-2011, 04:04 PM
Nike marketing at work...
Funny how Fed gets so called sportsmanship awards when he admits that he doesnt even notice anyone else and regularly downtalks after every loss.

This. :yeah:

Zare1
11-30-2011, 04:09 PM
federer is a big sportsman on court. which is probably the main reason he gets these awards

Sophocles
11-30-2011, 04:22 PM
Not at all. I'm just proving a point that Federer is by no means the best sporstman on court. Off it we already know he's one of the worst.

That is a ludicrous exaggeration. Although I admit he finds it hard to hide his hatred of losing.

munZe konZa
11-30-2011, 04:25 PM
Why wasn't Federer fined for finger wagging at the french open?
I have never seen such a threatening gesture on a professional sports field...

bokehlicious
11-30-2011, 04:33 PM
Haha suckit hatas! :D

Sunset of Age
11-30-2011, 04:47 PM
Why wasn't Federer fined for finger wagging at the french open?
I have never seen such a threatening gesture on a professional sports field...

Post of the year. :worship: :worship: :worship:

mystic ice cube
11-30-2011, 04:58 PM
I always viewed Federer as a guy who tells it like it is and doesn't really BS in press conferences. We never see him W/O or complain of injuries on court either, so I'm guessing these might have something to do with winning the award.

tennis2tennis
11-30-2011, 05:00 PM
Nike marketing at work...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv72hlDbzn1qd9cdso1_250.jpg

nobama
11-30-2011, 05:19 PM
Not at all. I'm just proving a point that Federer is by no means the best sporstman on court. Off it we already know he's one of the worst.http://www.babyfirstyear.org/wp-content/uploads/crying-baby.jpg

nobama
11-30-2011, 05:22 PM
That is a ludicrous exaggeration. Although I admit he finds it hard to hide his hatred of losing.
Novak cares so much and tries so hard to be well liked/beloved and yet he can't win fan favorite or SE award. :sad:

Arkulari
11-30-2011, 05:27 PM
I always viewed Federer as a guy who tells it like it is and doesn't really BS in press conferences. We never see him W/O or complain of injuries on court either, so I'm guessing these might have something to do with winning the award.

Truth.

shanks
11-30-2011, 05:29 PM
Yeah he only waives his little finger and celebrates like he's the new number 1. :rolls:



That was a celebration after the match was over. You really are nitpicking. Djokovic went nuts after saving match point when the match was not even over! That disturbed the entire rhythm of play during that pivotal game. That can also be considered as gamesmanship.

Sophocles
11-30-2011, 06:54 PM
That was a celebration after the match was over. You really are nitpicking. Djokovic went nuts after saving match point when the match was not even over! That disturbed the entire rhythm of play during that pivotal game. That can also be considered as gamesmanship.

The (extremely mild - what would you guys do with Muhammad Ali?) triumphalism Federer displayed was a tacit acknowledgement of Djoker's new status in the game.

shanks
11-30-2011, 07:00 PM
The (extremely mild - what would you guys do with Muhammad Ali?) triumphalism Federer displayed was a tacit acknowledgement of Djoker's new status in the game.

Lol Totally agree :)

Matt01
11-30-2011, 07:26 PM
If Nadal would have won Stefan Edberg Sportmanship Award then Edberg would have committed suicide.


Nadal won the award last year and Edberg is still fine :shrug:


Why wasn't Federer fined for finger wagging at the french open?
I have never seen such a threatening gesture on a professional sports field...


Because Rafa also doesn't get fined for going over the timelimit between points.

barbadosan
11-30-2011, 07:29 PM
i have never seen a more protective fan woman than you......i thought you had some beef only with me because i pissed you off a couple of times stating just truths but apparently it seems like you can't digest anyone who doesn't agree with your blind worshiping......remember that not everyone worships your weak goddess......

there are other players who owned him on the biggest stages and have shown tenfold more respect in losses......now stop gathering your fellow worshipers and stop attacking nole fan......

At least being a protective fan is better than just being a widely remarked idiot :wavey: And no, as a woman, I don't need your permission to speak to anyone, thank you kindly

barbadosan
11-30-2011, 07:31 PM
i think it's the bribe that does it......you never know......when a few top 100 players are protected when they are caught in dope tests, there is a distinct possibility that lesser players are bribed to vote for that swiss in this useless rigged award called stefan edberg "sportsmanship" award.....

ITF and nike collectively run this "goat" campaign of theirs and they need to strengthen that campaign as much as possible to drag more number of novices towards the sport every year......

i never thought tennis would turn into such a whorish and utterly commercial sport......

Ahh, so THAT's how Rafa got it last year? Wow, we'd never have known without you telling us :eek:

EddieNero
11-30-2011, 07:40 PM
I guess the winner is chosen among the Top 3 players usually, so I don't see Federer having any competition here.
Unless the voters are blind and pick a barbarian who roars like a nutcase after winning a match or a guy who can't even force a smile on his own face at the handshake.

Nole fan
11-30-2011, 07:44 PM
I always viewed Federer as a guy who tells it like it is and doesn't really BS in press conferences. We never see him W/O or complain of injuries on court either, so I'm guessing these might have something to do with winning the award.

No, he just reminds us the mono every freaking time. :p

DrJules
11-30-2011, 07:45 PM
As many have noted there are certainly more deserving candidates outside the top 4. In many ways it is the sportsmanship award where only the top players are considered.

In terms of the top 4 Federer probably has a better claim than either Nadal, Djokovic or Murray. He has overall probably abused the time between points rule and injury time out rule less than the others, has engaged in fewer over the top on court histrionics and tends to be more positive in his on court demeanor. I hasten to add that overall the differences are quite minor in their overall case to be "the best sportsman of the top 4".

DrJules
11-30-2011, 07:49 PM
No, he just reminds of the mono every freaking time. :p

All the top 4 talk about their physical ailments quite often. Probably Federer less so than the others giving the impression factually or not that he has fewer injury and physical ailments than the other top 3 players.

hipolymer
11-30-2011, 07:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBwjZwpOKw

*yawn* Call me when the award granters grow some balls/

Arkulari
11-30-2011, 08:50 PM
All the top 4 talk about their physical ailments quite often. Probably Federer less so than the others giving the impression factually or not that he has fewer injury and physical ailments than the other top 3 players.

Thank you Dr :worship:

jmf07
11-30-2011, 09:07 PM
The award is a joke. I do not know why so many people are getting worked up about it. If it was a proper tour award it is likely that none of the big 4 would be in contention.

buzz
11-30-2011, 10:28 PM
Of the top 4 definitely Federer. I don't like the extra ball bouncing on tight moments. Or the injury blah blah.

But the guy won trillions of awards already(deserves a lot ofcourse!) and I think it would be best to award it to another nice top10 or top20 player. Maybe someone like Ferrer, I like his attitude.

Sunset of Age
11-30-2011, 10:31 PM
Maybe someone like Ferrer, I like his attitude.

A perfect example of a player who should've been nominated at least a couple of times already. But like many posters have already pointed out, the SF-award has gone down to being a PR-award, nothing more, nothing less.

murex
11-30-2011, 10:44 PM
Where is write that is injury timeout,or bouncing ball is anti-ferplay?
And also wher is write that is arguing and insult umpire is a farplay?:eek:

nobama
11-30-2011, 10:50 PM
A perfect example of a player who should've been nominated at least a couple of times already. But like many posters have already pointed out, the SF-award has gone down to being a PR-award, nothing more, nothing less.

I'll say again if it's just about being a nice guy most of the players could win it then. I mean what makes Ferrer more deserving than say Baggy or Jarko? I'm not saying Fed deserves to win it every year but obviously there's a reason he's winning it. I don't think the ATP is putting a gun to players heads yelling them they have to vote for Fed.

Sunset of Age
11-30-2011, 10:55 PM
I'll say again if it's just about being a nice guy most of the players could win it then. I mean what makes Ferrer more deserving than say Baggy or Jarko?

Anyone not in the so-called 'Big Four' - if such ever exists but that's aside from the topic at hand over here. Like I said before, I think this award should have gone to Qureshi, if anyone.

Sub-level players (= anyone outside the 'Big Four', least one excuse candidate) would never get nominated to start with, as they are unknown to the general public (aka the 'casual fans' as the ATP calls them), so there we are. No chance in hell. And as such, however much I appreciate Federer winning it (or Nadal last year, or Fed in plenty years before), my objective mind tells me that this award is no more than just another ATP-PR-attention whoring-trophy. I wish I could feel otherwise about it. :shrug:

Slice Winner
11-30-2011, 11:21 PM
Let's put it this way, if Berdych ever gets to world #1, he still won't win the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship award.

tripwires
11-30-2011, 11:53 PM
Not at all. I'm just proving a point that Federer is by no means the best sporstman on court. Off it we already know he's one of the worst.

Please. Stop stating your tardish opinions as facts and stick to speaking for yourself. The finger "waiving" thing is so ridiculously overblown by you, it's not even funny.

In terms of the top 4 Federer probably has a better claim than either Nadal, Djokovic or Murray. He has overall probably abused the time between points rule and injury time out rule less than the others, has engaged in fewer over the top on court histrionics and tends to be more positive in his on court demeanor. I hasten to add that overall the differences are quite minor in their overall case to be "the best sportsman of the top 4".

I agree, but I think the difference is quite significant. As far as I know Fed's most significant medical time-out was against Andy Murray in the TMC in 2008. On the other hand, Nadal and Djokovic use it quite regularly. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but something is definitely suspect when a player overdoes it and people actually talk about it. I don't deny that Fed tends to whine to the umpire about Hawkeye when the match isn't going his way, and his rant at the umpire (I forgot his name) during his US Open final against del Potro wasn't one of his finest moments. Still, he generally carries himself with class on court and he definitely respects the rules of the game. I don't think I can ever say the same about Nadal and to a lesser extent, Djokovic until they stop taking so much time between serves.

Just my opinion of course. This is certainly not a fact and I don't speak for anyone else.

Sophocles
12-01-2011, 12:01 AM
The other thing, of course, is that this is a vote and therefore susceptible to deliberate or unintentional "campaigning" - just like the ACC. Numerous players over the years have mentioned instances of Federer's going out of his way to congratulate them or console them in adversity or show he remembers things about them, and the effect is obviously heightened by Federer's legendary status as a player & the fact that in most cases the players concerned will have received multiple beatings at his hands.

Arkulari
12-01-2011, 12:14 AM
The other thing, of course, is that this is a vote and therefore susceptible to deliberate or unintentional "campaigning" - just like the ACC. Numerous players over the years have mentioned instances of Federer's going out of his way to congratulate them or console them in adversity or show he remembers things about them, and the effect is obviously heightened by Federer's legendary status as a player & the fact that in most cases the players concerned will have received multiple beatings at his hands.

Again, why polygamy frowned upon in this society? you're like my second soul mate or something ;)

Matt01
12-01-2011, 01:24 AM
The other thing, of course, is that this is a vote and therefore susceptible to deliberate or unintentional "campaigning" - just like the ACC. Numerous players over the years have mentioned instances of Federer's going out of his way to congratulate them or console them in adversity or show he remembers things about them, and the effect is obviously heightened by Federer's legendary status as a player & the fact that in most cases the players concerned will have received multiple beatings at his hands.


If this is true, it makes Fed's interviews look even worse since he would come across as very hypocritical :o

barbadosan
12-01-2011, 01:34 AM
If this is true, it makes Fed's interviews look even worse since he would come across as very hypocritical :o

I remember Blake for one saying that when he was in hospital with his major problems, couldn't walk etc, the only player from the tour who sent a card and called to ask after him was Fed. Just curious to know how you make the link between that and him coming across as hypocritical. :confused:

Matt01
12-01-2011, 01:45 AM
I remember Blake for one saying that when he was in hospital with his major problems, couldn't walk etc, the only player from the tour who sent a card and called to ask after him was Fed. Just curious to know how you make the link between that and him coming across as hypocritical. :confused:


I obviously mean his trash-talking in his interviews. Maybe he also sent Djokovic a get-well-soon card after one of his injuries and behind his back gave an interview in which he speculated that his injuries are not that bad :rolleyes:

Slice Winner
12-01-2011, 02:03 AM
I obviously mean his trash-talking in his interviews. Maybe he also sent Djokovic a get-well-soon card after one of his injuries and behind his back gave an interview in which he speculated that his injuries are not that bad :rolleyes:

You're letting yourself down with this type of decaffeinated trolling.

stewietennis
12-01-2011, 02:17 AM
They should get rid of the medical timeout altogether. You don't stop a race midway just because a guy pulled a hamstring. If you're not fit, retire from the match.

abraxas21
12-01-2011, 02:18 AM
i don't know why people give so much importance to this award.

it's a joke

Matt01
12-01-2011, 02:24 AM
You're letting yourself down with this type of decaffeinated trolling.


Hey, I'm trying hard because I currently have a tough match against my friend JolanGago to win :lol:

And I was actually (mostly) serious. I was ashamed for Fed after I had listened to some of his interviews :o

rickcastle
12-01-2011, 02:32 AM
Hey, I'm trying hard because I currently have a tough match against my friend JolanGago to win :lol:

And I was actually (mostly) serious. I was ashamed for Fed after I had listened to some of his interviews :o

Federer makes sour comments after he loses, yes, but that doesn't make him a hypocrite in this regard because it's not like he said "That bastard beat me, I hope he falls sick and dies." His comments are mostly disappointments in himself and then downplaying the other player's abilities when he gets beaten by them but as far as I know, he has never wished ill upon his fellow tennis players so I don't know how it makes him a hypocrite because he sends them get well soon cards or reaches out to them when they are down.

Arkulari
12-01-2011, 02:38 AM
Hey, I'm trying hard because I currently have a tough match against my friend JolanGago to win :lol:

And I was actually (mostly) serious. I was ashamed for Fed after I had listened to some of his interviews :o

AFAIK, he's send cards to players that have gotten surgery, he even spoke to a WTA player about her having a cancer scare and the like.

I don't honestly think he's ever sent a get well soon card to Rafa during his tendinitis periods or to Nole during his sore shoulder moments.

It's about the serious moments, not the injuries most players have to deal with during their careers :)

And you can't deny that some players actually fake injuries every once in a while or retire when things aren't going well for them (not talking about Rafa or Nole here)