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Why doesn't Del-Potro own Murray like Berdych does?

Rodre Fegassi
11-11-2011, 06:58 PM
Berdych and Del-Potro are basically the same player.

Equal firepower, equal height, equal aggression, big flat hitters, big off both wings, maybe Del-Potro has even got the edge in movement - which should make him even more likely to own Murray.

So why doesn't he own Murray the way Berdych does?

Surely any big hitter should be able to own Murray like Berdych does?

Also, does Murray's recent loss to Berdych prove he is not going to be a legitimate slam threat in 2012?

Certinfy
11-11-2011, 07:04 PM
Berdych
- Defends better
- Volleys better
- Returns better
- Moves better
- Deals with slices better

MaxPower
11-11-2011, 07:11 PM
Berdych and Del-Potro are basically the same player.

Equal firepower, equal height, equal aggression, big flat hitters, big off both wings, maybe Del-Potro has even got the edge in movement - which should make him even more likely to own Murray.

So why doesn't he own Murray the way Berdych does?

Surely any big hitter should be able to own Murray like Berdych does?

Also, does Murray's recent loss to Berdych prove he is not going to be a legitimate slam threat in 2012?

It's a myth that Del Potro plays like Berdych. Yes they can both hit the ball hard but Berdych likes to paint the lines and go for the corners. Del Potro likes to play with more margins

Berdych is more similar to Soderling. When they are at their best they own every pushing player

spencercarlos
11-11-2011, 07:18 PM
Del Potro has played a couple of matches where he has been extremly tired and almost beat Murray. Had not been the case of tiredness and he would have won.. Miami and Canadian Open 2009 for instance.

Rodre Fegassi
11-11-2011, 07:39 PM
Del Potro has played a couple of matches where he has been extremly tired and almost beat Murray. Had not been the case of tiredness and he would have won.. Miami and Canadian Open 2009 for instance.

oh, cool, so their h2h basically has a big asterisk over it.

I thought there was something strange there.

Clydey
11-11-2011, 07:42 PM
oh, cool, so their h2h basically has a big asterisk over it.

I thought there was something strange there.

Nope. Murray owns Del Potro because he is a better player. It's that simple.

Sham Kay
11-11-2011, 08:03 PM
Situational issue. Murray would more than likely take Berdych down more often than not if they played more often. Like he does with DelPo. As it is, it feels like he is a really bad match up. Which he isn't.

Also, DelPo fails to impress in most tournaments he plays..

paseo
11-11-2011, 08:05 PM
Berdych and Del-Potro are basically the same player.

No.

Start da Game
11-11-2011, 08:11 PM
d pot has the game to beat murray......he ran him close a few times if i remember correctly.....we just need to wait a little longer and see what d pot can offer next year......

that said i think berdych employs a slightly more riskier game and whenever the risk pays off, you will usually end up beating anybody, not just murray......

MuzzahLovah
11-11-2011, 08:20 PM
Berdych has beaten Murray once on Clay and once on Hardcourts(a very close 3 setter) in 5 years. Murray and Berdych each won a match as a teenagers a long time ago. Owning Murray? Hardly. But then again, this is a troll thread, like everyone Rodre Fedaggassi has ever posted.

Filo V.
11-11-2011, 08:31 PM
Berdych and Del Potro aren't overly similar. Del Potro isn't really that type of player, although people are continuously blinded by the hot streak he went on in the summer of 2009, specifically the Nadal USO match. Del Potro isn't a overwhelmingly forceful offensive player. He's not that great as an attacking player. Berdych, however, is a pure attacking player, and those are the types of players that give Murray trouble.

MuzzahLovah
11-11-2011, 08:56 PM
Berdych and Del Potro aren't overly similar. Del Potro isn't really that type of player, although people are continuously blinded by the hot streak he went on in the summer of 2009, specifically the Nadal USO match. Del Potro isn't a overwhelmingly forceful offensive player. He's not that great as an attacking player. Berdych, however, is a pure attacking player, and those are the types of players that give Murray trouble.

What about Tsonga? Murray has the same H2H against him that he does against Del Po- is he not an attacking player either?

Matt01
11-11-2011, 09:02 PM
Berdych
- Defends better
- Volleys better
- Returns better
- Moves better
- Deals with slices better


Anything that Del Potro does better or is he just a mug? :rolleyes:


Nope. Murray owns Del Potro because he is a better player. It's that simple.


1 > 0 ;)


Spencercarlos is probably correct.

jcempire
11-11-2011, 09:04 PM
Why doesn't Del-Potro own Murray like Berdych does?

but

Why Berdych doesn't win a slam like Del-Potro does?

:haha:

xdrewitdajx
11-11-2011, 09:18 PM
weaker legs.

rubbERR
11-11-2011, 09:19 PM
Why? Delpo faced Murray when he was peak of his game mostly, Berdych has not.

Also 3 years younger than Berdych

rubbERR
11-11-2011, 09:22 PM
Berdych
- Defends better
- Volleys better
- Returns better
- Moves better
- Deals with slices better

Dude... Berdych's defense is crap compared to Delpo, slice too. Return in 2011 is better sure, moves better? Not really.

Deals with slices better? Slices are no problem for him anymore.

Why Delpo is not ahead of Berdych in 2011 is simply because he was injured in 2010.

Its ridiculous that people keep dismissing his injuries this year and especially in 2010. It just shows how simple humans here is without any understanding.

Guga_fan
11-11-2011, 09:34 PM
I always thought that Soderling and Berdych are more dangerous for Murray than Del Potro, and I guess it's because they are more offensive players and can generate more power from some of the junk balls Murray uses to change pace of the rally.

Also, Berdych is much more willing to come forward than Delpo, and that make a huge difference when playing Murray.

rubbERR
11-11-2011, 09:44 PM
Its retarded to compare these two players when Delpo is mostly counterpuncher and Berdych ballbasher. Delpo does everything better tho, when he plays well.

Both can play so terribly that it makes fans crying some blood tho

rocketassist
11-11-2011, 09:54 PM
Berdych is more of a 'ball striking dictator'- stands at the middle and likes to boss the point, moving his opponent side to side, whereas Del Potro is a counter-basher who plays high percentage power tennis, and he doesn't go for lines, so when he tries to attack Murray, he can't pull it off consistently whereas Berdych is used to it.

Soderling differs as he's a first strike hitter, second or third point he's gone for his shot.

BTW Del Potro definitely defends WAY better than Berdych- that's why he's got the 1 slam and Berdych hasn't- defence is the most important thing these days, nothing else matters.

Henry Chinaski
11-11-2011, 10:25 PM
well I don't think Berdych owns Murray for starters.

But supposing we accept your thesis for a sec, one important factor is Berdych is a more aggressive returner than Del Potro.

Great weapon to have against Murray because his second serve is still relatively powder puff.

shiaben
11-12-2011, 12:19 AM
The return of serve is one issue.

But also endurance. Remember that one American tournament I think it was, Del Potro gassed out in the 3rd set. His endurance and stamina, are still problematic.

Topspindoctor
11-12-2011, 01:13 AM
Berdych and Del-Potro are basically the same player.

Equal firepower, equal height, equal aggression, big flat hitters, big off both wings, maybe Del-Potro has even got the edge in movement - which should make him even more likely to own Murray.

So why doesn't he own Murray the way Berdych does?

Surely any big hitter should be able to own Murray like Berdych does?

Also, does Murray's recent loss to Berdych prove he is not going to be a legitimate slam threat in 2012?

:haha: "Basically the same player"?

Berdych moves better, has more compact swings and better serve.

He's a much better player than Del Potro.

misty1
11-12-2011, 01:53 AM
last time i checked having a 3-1 record against someone was not owning them

but tomas does better against andy because he's a better player overall then del potro

in fact im still not convinced delpo is anything special, nothing more than a one slam wonder

fast_clay
11-12-2011, 01:53 AM
Berdych and Del-Potro are basically the same player.


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abraxas21
11-12-2011, 02:12 AM
i repeat, OP really does need a WC for the ACC this year

Filo V.
11-12-2011, 02:29 AM
What about Tsonga? Murray has the same H2H against him that he does against Del Po- is he not an attacking player either?
He's less consistent than Berdych is, and Del Potro too. Plus, he has a mediocre backhand and he's impatient. Another thing is he hangs in the backhand corner trying to hit forehands, making him vulnerable to Murray's best shot, his BH DTL.

SetSampras
11-12-2011, 03:16 AM
Do some people forget Del Potro has more or less sucked since that serious injury from a few years ago? That could be a big reason you know. Bad injuries can do that.

rocketassist
11-12-2011, 03:20 AM
Tsonga ballbashes a lot when things don't go his way. Berdych is aggressive but also consistent with it.

Shinoj
11-12-2011, 04:21 AM
Del-Clowntro and Berdych cannot be compared to Murray. Murray is way too consistent for these morons.

leng jai
11-12-2011, 04:30 AM
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Your new favourite emoticon bro?

Start da Game
11-12-2011, 06:24 AM
Del-Clowntro and Berdych cannot be compared to Murray. Murray is way too consistent for these morons.

being consistent defender alone is not sufficient, you have to attack when you have to......that's why del potro despite possessing inferior defense to murray's has a slam and murray still is slamless......berdych has almost no defense and yet has a slam final, a masters title to his credit......

iriraz
11-12-2011, 07:30 AM
Surely Murray is more consistent then a Berdych or a Tsonga or a Del Potro throughout the year but on any given day he could lose to them.Saying Berdych is owning Murray is far fetched.They only played twice in 2 years and previous 2 matches were a long time ago.Certainly their h2h would look different if they played on a regular basis

yuri27
11-12-2011, 09:00 AM
Del-Clowntro and Berdych cannot be compared to Murray. Murray is way too consistent for these morons.

A guy who pushes for 90% of the time being more consistent than guys who play attacking tennis.....wow what a surprise!:eek::eek:

cutesteve22
11-12-2011, 09:03 AM
own Murray couldn't help you winning slam

Rodre Fegassi
11-12-2011, 10:29 AM
Ok, I didn't mean to say that Del-Potro and Berdych are basically the same player.

They ARE the same player.

Include Soderling in there as well - all 3 of them are the same player.

One of them might have 0.1% better defense and movement (Del-Potro), but all 3 of them are the big serving, tall, flat ball-bashing stereotype.

I reckon that very soon all 3 of them will be owning Murray on a very regular basis.

On a side note - seeing as how Murray is a weaker version of Djokovic - do they all get owned by the Djoker just because he does everything SO much better than Murray?

Shinoj
11-12-2011, 10:52 AM
being consistent defender alone is not sufficient, you have to attack when you have to......that's why del potro despite possessing inferior defense to murray's has a slam and murray still is slamless......berdych has almost no defense and yet has a slam final, a masters title to his credit......


Del Potro has one Slam way back in 2009. So?

Thomas Johansson,Gomez have one Slam. So what do you make out of their career ?

And even if Murray stops playing for two years, Clowntro cannot match his Masters Title count.

Shinoj
11-12-2011, 10:55 AM
A guy who pushes for 90% of the time being more consistent than guys who play attacking tennis.....wow what a surprise!:eek::eek:


Max Miryni also played attacking tennis all the time and Wilander was somewhat defensive. So Miryni is better than Wilander?

LawrenceOfTennis
11-12-2011, 12:03 PM
Del Potro has one Slam way back in 2009. So?

Thomas Johansson,Gomez have one Slam. So what do you make out of their career ?

And even if Murray stops playing for two years, Clowntro cannot match his Masters Title count.

You are a clown. Del Potro would have won at least another slam by now without injuries.
By the way in-form Delpo can beat Murray and Delpo played an extremely tight match against Nadal at Wimbledon and Murray sucked big time in the semis. And it's Delpo's worst surface by far.

bjurra
11-12-2011, 12:09 PM
An in-form Murray would toy with Berdych. It has nothing to do with bad match-up.

And by the way, claming that Delpo and Berdych are not similar in playing style is silly. They are very similar.

EddieNero
11-12-2011, 12:19 PM
Berdych and Murray have played only 4 matches against each other, the sample is too small to state an ownage issue.
In my opinion you need at least 5-6 matches to assert this kind of thing.

Matt01
11-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Do some people forget Del Potro has more or less sucked since that serious injury from a few years ago? That could be a big reason you know. Bad injuries can do that.


He came back from a serious injury, won 2 tournaments, beat Djokovic, is almost back in the Top 10 now...I'd say that's quite an impressive comeback :shrug:

Haelfix
11-12-2011, 01:03 PM
Murray is actually a bad matchup for Berdych, not the other way around. The H2h is probably not that indicative really.

However Berdy does do a few things that makes the matchup more palatable.

1) He goes for corners, DP typically goes hard down the middle. Against a great counterpuncher like Murray, hard down the middle is just music for his ears as he can redirect the pace anywhere he wants.

2) Murray typically loses his cool if he loses serve. Berdy returns better than DP and so can generate a few more outbursts.

3) Murray for whatever reason, doesn't have a great read on Tomas' serve, whereas he does on Del Potros.

4) Murray's slice doesn't bother Tomas as much as it does DP.

Anyway, generally speaking counterpunchers beat ballbashers unless the latter are really at the top of their game. Ballbashers beat pure defensive players, but then Murray typically doesn't just push, he also will hit winners when he is given enough pace.

Shinoj
11-12-2011, 01:08 PM
:facepalm:.. Boy there are so many mistakes in that Post... You almost did a opposite of Djokovics 2011 season.


You are a clown. Del Potro would have won at least another slam by now without injuries.
By the way in-form Delpo can beat Murray and Delpo played an extremely tight match against Nadal at Wimbledon and Murray sucked big time in the semis. And it's Delpo's worst surface by far.


Oh Yeah.. Like which Grand Slam? Like there is a Player Association which will allow Del Potro to win Grand Slams and other players would watch by.

So Del Potro got beaten in a tight match against Nadal and Murray sucked against Nadal. So that means Del Potro is a better player than Murray? :rolleyes:

If that is the logic then Davydenko is better than Federer.

And what kind of wrist injuries take so much time to heal. Its beyond my reasoning. He sure has Clownish Followers.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-12-2011, 01:32 PM
:facepalm:.. Boy there are so many mistakes in that Post... You almost did a opposite of Djokovics 2011 season.





Oh Yeah.. Like which Grand Slam? Like there is a Player Association which will allow Del Potro to win Grand Slams and other players would watch by.

So Del Potro got beaten in a tight match against Nadal and Murray sucked against Nadal. So that means Del Potro is a better player than Murray? :rolleyes:

If that is the logic then Davydenko is better than Federer.

And what kind of wrist injuries take so much time to heal. Its beyond my reasoning. He sure has Clownish Followers.

Epic:lol: at your points.
Which slam? The US Open. He dominated it in 2009 and surely would have done the same in 2010. And of course a couple of hard court Masters.
:wavey:

Shinoj
11-12-2011, 01:58 PM
Epic:lol: at your points.
Which slam? The US Open. He dominated it in 2009 and surely would have done the same in 2010. And of course a couple of hard court Masters.
:wavey:

And i was pointing on which basis you are saying that he would have won many Grand Slams. He hardly ever had a consistent streak of wins to be regarding as an Elite Player. Potentially maybe but hardly on paper. And that my friend is a fact.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 04:33 PM
guys stop it with these threads.......or on the other note..........

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Gullyfoyle
11-12-2011, 04:42 PM
Epic:lol: at your points.
Which slam? The US Open. He dominated it in 2009 and surely would have done the same in 2010. And of course a couple of hard court Masters.
:wavey:

Wow.. Potty has won two masters 1000's, that one passed me by..

Sapeod
11-12-2011, 06:13 PM
Murray is better than Del Potro, that's why. He beats him almost every time because he is better. Nothing else to it.

Also, Berdych "owns" Murray because in most of their matches, Murray plays badly. Murray playing well is far better than Berydch and would win every time.