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Who will win the World Tour Finals 2011?

alter ego
11-10-2011, 11:10 AM
After Tipsarevic lost the field is set.

Chirag
11-10-2011, 11:40 AM
Andy Murray :D

Chirag
11-10-2011, 11:40 AM
Frankly Djokovic is tired ,Nadal doesnt have a serve now ,Federer is old :cry .Who really can stop the in form player right now

GSMnadal
11-10-2011, 11:59 AM
going with serverer here

zlaja777
11-10-2011, 12:16 PM
Djokovic is not tired.

Egreen
11-10-2011, 12:28 PM
Nole, of course. He is the best player on tour.

Hian-GOAT
11-10-2011, 12:37 PM
Luckily Fixarevic is out, so I'll go with Roger.

Hian-GOAT
11-10-2011, 12:40 PM
Who voted for Tipsarevic? :sobbing:

henke007
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
:lol: Fish takes this

Just like heaven
11-10-2011, 01:15 PM
Hopefully Rafa. :)

GOAT = Fed
11-10-2011, 01:21 PM
Roger or Murray. Just cannot see it being either of Rafa or Novak. Both to me look very tired and fatigued.

Because I'm a Federer fan, I'll vote for Federer between him and Murray :p

abraxas21
11-10-2011, 01:24 PM
nadal







:spit:


no, not really

paseo
11-10-2011, 01:26 PM
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Rodre Fegassi
11-10-2011, 01:27 PM
I have no idea but it's not hard to guess as it's a 1 in 2 choice really - why are there 10 options?

Nadal or Djokovic.

I'll go with Djokovic. There's a 50% chance of me getting it right.

Lopez
11-10-2011, 01:28 PM
I think Federer takes this one :angel:

Swiss_Bagels17
11-10-2011, 01:29 PM
I will reserve judgement until we see the possible Semi Final between Federer and Murray. (Paris) Winner of that Semi if it happens I think will win World Tour Final.

Just like heaven
11-10-2011, 01:39 PM
Roger or Murray. Just cannot see it being either of Rafa or Novak. Both to me look very tired and fatigued.

Because I'm a Federer fan, I'll vote for Federer between him and Murray :p

Why would Rafa be tired after a 5 weeks break? :scratch: Unless he plays some long matches (like last year's semifinal), he shouldn't have these kind of problems.

Stronga23
11-10-2011, 01:42 PM
Jo-Willy ;) If not Ali then I want Ferrer to win it.

nalbyfan
11-10-2011, 02:26 PM
Who will pull out for injury ??? Wait to see who really plays before predicting who will win

Ben.
11-10-2011, 02:32 PM
Federer is looking like a good bet. Murray will no doubt capitulate under the pressure of playing in Britain, Djokovic looks knackered and possibly injured and Rafa has no chance this year, a semi final will be a good showing for him. Can't see any of the other four putting a run together.

ballbasher101
11-10-2011, 03:24 PM
I think Murray since Djokovic looks a little fed up. Nadal still has the Davis cup so will not give it his all I suspect. Federer does have an outside chance but I can't see him defending his title.

RoddickFan.
11-10-2011, 03:28 PM
Nadal is winning this. He has skipped Parispsi that he can win this tournament. Book it.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-10-2011, 03:30 PM
I want Tsonga to win but most probably he won't.

ApproachShot
11-10-2011, 03:32 PM
It's a tough one to predict this year, but I am going to pick Nadal to win. He should be well rested, motivated and prepared for this tournament. I am not sure that Federer has quite what it takes to beat him this time around although a potential match should be very competitive...and while Murray is playing very well recently, he always seems to come unstuck against Nadal in the big matches. Of course Rafa's biggest threat will be Nole, but now may be the best opportunity in the season to impose his physically exhausting game against a Djokovic whose fitness does not quite appear to be at 100%.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-10-2011, 03:34 PM
FedExx :sobbing: :sobbing: :bigcry:

jcempire
11-10-2011, 03:38 PM
I go with Alternative 1 ( probably Tipsarevic) {:haha:}
just kidding!!!! :haha:

Come on man
10000000% Andy Murray

Roger Federer done for the career, Nadal serious injury, Djoker already peak

Andy go to def. all those three garbage
6-2 6-3 beats Fed
6-4 6-2 beats Nadal
6-2 6-0 beats DJOKER
thanks ANdy

now the No 1

Slice Winner
11-10-2011, 03:41 PM
Anyone who voted for Djokovic didn't seem him today against Troicki.

killav_gloop
11-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Andy has best chances..second pick is Nole..anyways think that we wont be seeing much of great tennis..

madmax
11-10-2011, 03:49 PM
Not Nadull...that's good enough for me

LawrenceOfTennis
11-10-2011, 03:50 PM
I go with Alternative 1 ( probably Tipsarevic) {:haha:}
just kidding!!!! :haha:

Come on man
10000000% Andy Murray

Roger Federer done for the career, Nadal serious injury, Djoker already peak

Andy go to def. all those three garbage
6-2 6-3 beats Fed
6-4 6-2 beats Nadal
6-2 6-0 beats DJOKER
thanks ANdy

now the No 1

Quality jinx.

Saberq
11-10-2011, 03:52 PM
Andy wont win a big even in London come on you know this ...Novak might I doubt it though...Fed can always win ...I am going with Nadal

henke007
11-10-2011, 04:00 PM
Fixarevic is dangerously close to O2 if Fish can't heal properly..

tommyg6
11-10-2011, 04:02 PM
I think Federer takes this one :angel:

I feel the same way. Indoors are usually very good for Feds.

viruzzz
11-10-2011, 04:04 PM
Rafa can't win this.
I mean, he'll reach the semis because the big 4 are better than the small 4.
But he can't win over the other 3 players in this surface.
In clay, he'll easily crush any of them, because, Djokovic isn't in his best moment. Djokovic moment has gone.
But I see him losing to Murray or Nole (He won't face Fed, they'll find a way to put him in the other half).

I also think Tsonga is the only "Small 4" who has a chance. I see Tsonga defeating any of the big 4.

MuzzahLovah
11-10-2011, 04:08 PM
:banana: :cheerleader: Muzzito :cheerleader: :banana:

MaxPower
11-10-2011, 04:10 PM
Would be good for tennis if Tsonga or Berdych could take it. But the court is probably so slow that it's impossible to hit through nadal/murray/djokovic defense so probably need to outsmart them.

Then Federer maybe. Judging how it looked the past month it could be Federer vs Murray in the final

Egreen
11-10-2011, 04:35 PM
It's either Nole or Federer. I'm just not sure if Nole is truly injured.... or if he tanked Basel and is tanking Bercy. He looked done at Cincy and then won the USO with special comeback in the SF and all. You just never know with him. He could just be taking it easy and then come and win the WTF like he won the USO. If his shoulder is truly messed up then Fed is the favorite. Nevermind the fact that he has only won mm titles this year.

Nadal sucks indoors and Murray will have too much pressure in London.

Roger the Dodger
11-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Roger's chances look good, not because he's as good as last year, but because the others are clowning as well. Perhaps Murray with an outside chance. But Rafa and Nole are spent for the year.

So I'll go with Featherhead.

Greatness
11-10-2011, 05:40 PM
Federer is slamless this year and will want to prove that he's still the best. However, he is still hopeless against Nadal who I'm certain will find a way to beat him there. Novak isn't at his best now but that could change so I pick him, he could really turn it up and end the year of a really high note.

Sham Kay
11-10-2011, 05:43 PM
Alright stop everything. Which of you wise guys voted for Almagro? Show yourself so I can get myself banned for wishing death. It'll be more than worth it.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-10-2011, 05:58 PM
Alright stop everything. Which of you wise guys voted for Almagro? Show yourself so I can get myself banned for wishing death. It'll be more than worth it.

you should add tipsy too

MuzzahLovah
11-10-2011, 06:25 PM
Tipsy has more votes than the little 4 combined. :haha:

Mountaindewslave
11-10-2011, 06:42 PM
Luckily Fixarevic is out, so I'll go with Roger.

I think definitely Roger but I voted for Nadal because he is just scary when determined to win something, and he hasn't won WTF yet so it would seem wrong to not put my vote on him.

we'll see though! Murray definitely has a huge shot though.

Pirata.
11-10-2011, 06:49 PM
Indorerer is taking this.

alter ego
11-10-2011, 06:52 PM
Tipsy has more votes than the little 4 combined. :haha:

Little 4 :haha:

DrJules
11-10-2011, 06:54 PM
Picking Murray.

Djokovic and Federer would be my 2nd and 3rd choices.

Nadal is focused on Davis Cup and the rest are not good enough to win the event.

Roamed
11-10-2011, 07:04 PM
Hope: Fed
Think: Murray

Topspindoctor
11-10-2011, 11:33 PM
I still have some faith in Nadal, although Olderer is favorite.

syc23
11-11-2011, 01:50 AM
Would like to see Murray win but realistically I can see Federer taking this to prove that he is still in contention for future slams.

paseo
11-11-2011, 05:04 AM
Murray.

Arkulari
11-11-2011, 06:27 AM
Murray folds like a cheap tent when he's in a big event in England, I think this will be won by Federer or Djokovic.

nalbyfan
11-12-2011, 12:20 PM
Who will really play ? Who will pull our or retire ? I bet there will be at least 1 pull out, maybe 2 (Nole ? Muzza ? Fish ? Kinder Bueno ?) Wait and see

ufiors
11-13-2011, 03:46 PM
Who will win ATP Finals 2011?
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Finals/2011.aspx

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7203/immaginegyj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/immaginegyj.jpg/)

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4456/dddgw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/dddgw.jpg/)

For me the winner will be him: RF

c1WAoRLNjG8

ufiors
11-13-2011, 03:48 PM
Damn, where's the poll?

LawrenceOfTennis
11-13-2011, 03:48 PM
Murray,Tsonga and Berdych will be clowning big time, Djokovic and Nadal aren't 100% so Federer. Not much of a mystery.

rubbERR
11-13-2011, 03:49 PM
Hopefully Ferrer wins at least one match, it would be humiliating for player to go 0-3 at WTF two times in row.

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 03:49 PM
Why the hell are the no.1 and no.2 seeds in the same group?!? WTF?!

EddieNero
11-13-2011, 03:50 PM
What is this crap? Nadal and Djokovic in the same group?! :spit:

Shinoj
11-13-2011, 03:50 PM
Djokovic or Murray. Federer had too much of a run now. He has got more than what he could have hoped this season.

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 03:51 PM
Hopefully Ferrer wins at least one match, it would be humiliating for player to go 0-3 at WTF two times in row.

He has a chance of sneaking in a win tbh against Tsonga, as long as Tsonga isn't finding his range.

EddieNero
11-13-2011, 03:52 PM
It's impossible, they couldn't let the draw out yet. I believe Group A and B are just pools, not groups.

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 03:56 PM
It's impossible, they couldn't let the draw out yet. I believe Group A and B are just pools, not groups.

If so, thank God. It really wouldn't make sense having no.1 and no.2 in the same group :stupid:

HKz
11-13-2011, 03:59 PM
Why the hell are the no.1 and no.2 seeds in the same group?!? WTF?!

It is certainly strange, but considering the results of Federer/Djokovic/Nadal at the Master's Cup, in a way Federer/Djokovic are leading their groups rightfully since they have won the title before, whereas Nadal has only made that lone final last year.

Either way, Tsonga/Ferrer are IMO a little tougher to have in the group than Berdych/Fish seeing their results throughout the year especially at the slams.

Federer looks posed to be defend his title, but I think it will be pretty wide open at the same time. I'm not sure where the games of Djokovic and Nadal are. Murray is the only one I can confidently say will be playing quite well.

EddieNero
11-13-2011, 04:02 PM
Look at the doubles "Draw". 1 and 2 seed doubles are also in the same group. It's definitely NOT a draw.

MaxPower
11-13-2011, 04:04 PM
Good that Nadal and Djokovic are in the same group. Berdych and Fish will make sure that we only have to see one of them in the semis.

In the other group Ferrer will likely be food for the others like last year. Federer gets a nice trip to the semis.

I say Federer wins another WTF. Not like he needs more of them :)

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 04:05 PM
If this is the group I have Berdych beating Nadal and taking him out. Federer and Murray should deal with Tsonga and Ferrer without much problems.

Saberq
11-13-2011, 04:08 PM
how the fuck are Novak and Nadal in the same group????????

AsianSensation
11-13-2011, 04:08 PM
this can't be the groups, no effing way...

Saberq
11-13-2011, 04:08 PM
Good that Nadal and Djokovic are in the same group. Berdych and Fish will make sure that we only have to see one of them in the semis.

In the other group Ferrer will likely be food for the others like last year. Federer gets a nice trip to the semis.

I say Federer wins another WTF. Not like he needs more of them :)

yeah Berdych and Fish will beat Nadal and Novak......you know shit about tennis

EddieNero
11-13-2011, 04:08 PM
how the fuck are Novak and Nadal in the same group????????

Like I said, it's sort of a Pool 1 and Pool 2, not exactly the Groups.

Roger the Dodger
11-13-2011, 04:09 PM
Who will win ATP Finals 2011?
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Finals/2011.aspx

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7203/immaginegyj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/immaginegyj.jpg/)



I really like this picture with him somehow in the center and the 3 others brushed to the side! :lol:

Thanks ATP! :yeah:

Saberq
11-13-2011, 04:11 PM
Like I said, it's sort of a Pool 1 and Pool 2, not exactly the Groups.

I was on WTF site those are the same groups....

MuzzahLovah
11-13-2011, 04:22 PM
Like I said, it's sort of a Pool 1 and Pool 2, not exactly the Groups.

What does that mean?

MuzzahLovah
11-13-2011, 04:23 PM
I really like this picture with him somehow in the center and the 3 others brushed to the side! :lol:

Thanks ATP! :yeah:

Ferrer is at the center...

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 04:27 PM
Ferrer is at the center...

Both Roger and Ferrer are in the centre. ;)

MuzzahLovah
11-13-2011, 04:28 PM
Ok then Andy. Here it is. You want to be ahead of Fed, you've earned I say, but you'll have to beat Fed here. No way around it- otherwise there will be some bullshit and Tsonga will get to the semis for having won more games against Ferrer or something equally inane.

So, go Muzzah! :cheerleader:

Roger the Dodger
11-13-2011, 04:28 PM
Both Roger and Ferrer are in the centre. ;)

Muzzah brushed to a side. His lover doesn't like it! ;)

Egreen
11-13-2011, 04:29 PM
Federer.

MuzzahLovah
11-13-2011, 04:32 PM
Who will win ATP Finals 2011?
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Finals/2011.aspx

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7203/immaginegyj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/immaginegyj.jpg/)


Ok, so now, on top of everything, they've resized them to be the same height? Seriously? Some of them look like misshapen monsters.

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 04:37 PM
Muzzah brushed to a side. His lover doesn't like it! ;)

:spit:

:lol,:

MuzzahLovah
11-13-2011, 04:39 PM
Muzzah brushed to a side. His lover doesn't like it! ;)

I know Fedtards are delirious with joy at the moment, but all you need is a ruler to see Ferrer is at the center of the image. There are 4 players to his left, and 3 players and a player sized graphic to his right.

Also, as his lover, I will in fact cut a bitch who resizes Murray into being the same height as Nadal and Ferrer. This image is an abomination.

Roger the Dodger
11-13-2011, 04:52 PM
I know Fedtards are delirious with joy at the moment, but all you need is a ruler to see Ferrer is at the center of the image. There are 4 players to his left, and 3 players and a player sized graphic to his right.

Oh bother! Roger's still the cynosure thanks to his red shirt.



Also, as his lover, I will in fact cut a bitch who resizes Murray into being the same height as Nadal and Ferrer. This image is an abomination.

Look carefully, doll! Muzzah is infact shorter than Rafa and Roger. :cool:

Saberq
11-13-2011, 04:54 PM
So nobody knows if this is official?I mean 1 and 2 cant be in the same group?

MuzzahLovah
11-13-2011, 05:07 PM
So nobody knows if this is official?I mean 1 and 2 cant be in the same group?

You think the ATP website is punking us?

Saberq
11-13-2011, 05:13 PM
You think the ATP website is punking us?

cant rule it out......dont you think it's a little bit weird?

pesto
11-13-2011, 05:29 PM
Glad to see they've all had their Ready Brek.

Start da Game
11-13-2011, 05:51 PM
nobody really cares who wins world toast finals......nobody really knows or remembers how many world toast finals titles laver won or borg won or lendl won or even sampras won......

wtf is the most useless tournament on the tour designed only to meet the entertainment of casual star tards in the off season, explains why the field is only the top 8 players......round robin format enables a minimum show of 3 matches of your favourite player and that keeps the tards happy, no matter win or lose they get to see 3 matches of tennis of their favourite player......a dark indoor court equipped with disco lights attracts kids and encourages parents of the kids to take them to the "show"......

15-20 years ago, i used to go to circus shows in a similar looking arena......

Egreen
11-13-2011, 05:53 PM
nobody really cares who wins world toast finals......nobody really knows or remembers how many world toast finals titles laver won or borg won or lendl won or even sampras won......

wtf is the most useless tournament on the tour designed only to meet the entertainment of casual star tards in the off season, explains why the field is only the top 8 players......round robin format enables a minimum show of 3 matches of your favourite player and that keeps the tards happy, no matter win or lose they get to see 3 matches of tennis of their favourite player......a dark indoor court equipped with disco lights attracts kids and encourages parents of the kids to take them to the "show"......

15-20 years ago, i used to go to circus shows in a similar looking arena......

You are only saying that because Nadal never won a YEC.

Mateya
11-13-2011, 05:56 PM
Poll? I like polls. :)

Healthy Djokovic would win, but since he isn't yet, I'll have to go with Roger or Muzza.

I have to say I don't like this WTF too much, it's some strange tournament with those round robin matches, it's not a slam, it's not DC, it's nothing.
Just one final event where top 8 players, exhausted from a long hard season, meet and play each other, like they did so many times during the season.
:silly:

For me and my men the off-season has already started.

Singularity
11-13-2011, 05:58 PM
nobody really cares who wins world toast finals......nobody really knows or remembers how many world toast finals titles laver won or borg won or lendl won or even sampras won......

wtf is the most useless tournament on the tour designed only to meet the entertainment of casual star tards in the off season, explains why the field is only the top 8 players......round robin format enables a minimum show of 3 matches of your favourite player and that keeps the tards happy, no matter win or lose they get to see 3 matches of tennis of their favourite player......a dark indoor court equipped with disco lights attracts kids and encourages parents of the kids to take them to the "show"......

15-20 years ago, i used to go to circus shows in a similar looking arena......
Maybe you should just try to speak for yourself, rather than every other tennis fan and player.

alter ego
11-13-2011, 05:59 PM
I see there's another thread that should be merge with this one.

philosophicalarf
11-13-2011, 06:11 PM
Tough one, but I'll go for Almagro.

Corey Feldman
11-13-2011, 06:13 PM
hope Murray the mental midget

cmon Andy

Corey Feldman
11-13-2011, 06:14 PM
anyone but Nadal will do

bluefork
11-13-2011, 06:16 PM
Does anyone know when the real groups come out?

Roamed
11-13-2011, 06:44 PM
Does anyone know when the real groups come out?

Tuesday, they're going to do the draw live on Sky Sports in the UK at some point during the day apparently. Not sure exactly what time as it doesn't show up on the listings.

LuckyVolcano
11-13-2011, 07:19 PM
What is this crap? Nadal and Djokovic in the same group?! :spit:

I think they just took last years groups and replaced roddick with fish and soderling with tsonga

Itachi75
11-13-2011, 07:33 PM
14 November 2011
Singles and Doubles Draw Ceremony at 2.00pm

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Finals/2011/Schedule/Schedule-Landing.aspx

Corey Feldman
11-13-2011, 08:19 PM
going by the seedings there is a chance that the groups could go

Djoko
Fed
Tsonga
Berdych

Nadal
Murray
Ferrer
Fish

:facepalm:

Uncle Toni will see to this

Roadmap
11-13-2011, 08:26 PM
going by the seedings there is a chance that the groups could go

Djoko
Fed
Tsonga
Berdych

Nadal
Murray
Ferrer
Fish

:facepalm:

Uncle Toni will see to this

I think that first hypothetical group would be termed a 'group of death' in football.

Mae
11-13-2011, 08:27 PM
Poll? I like polls. :)

Healthy Djokovic would win, but since he isn't yet, I'll have to go with Roger or Muzza.

I have to say I don't like this WTF too much, it's some strange tournament with those round robin matches, it's not a slam, it's not DC, it's nothing.
Just one final event where top 8 players, exhausted from a long hard season, meet and play each other, like they did so many times during the season.
:silly:

For me and my men the off-season has already started.

I agree with you I hate the round robin format. No one should be able to lose a Match and still win a Tournament. I also agree that the WTA is pretty useless. There is always talk of shortening the season so I think a great start would be to drop the WTA.

Roadmap
11-13-2011, 08:28 PM
Djokovic needs to choose the correct contact lenses to have any chance here.

shiaben
11-13-2011, 08:33 PM
Alright Federer. Don't be a mug. Go and win the WTF. Your options are an injured Djokovic, Nadal whose not good on that surface, Andy Murray the pusher, Mardy Fish, Tsonga, Ferrer, and Berdych.

Only threats should be Berdych (defeated him recently, so he'll try to figure you out), Tsonga (just defeated him recently so same story), and that should be it.

Federer will defeat Tsonga in the final in 3 sets.

SetSampras
11-13-2011, 08:37 PM
Yawn.. Fed. Nadal and Djokovic both injured.. Who else is there exactly? Nadal is good enough now at the YEC. He made the finals last year and took Fed to 3 sets despite having a tough one with Murray the round before but hes injured this year (shoulder, knee issues?) so of course his chances decrease. Murray the pusher can't push his way to victory.. Berdych has a chance but not a great one.. Maybe the best chance out of the rest however.. Fish Tsonga Ferrer? ROFL Don't make me laugh. All clowns.

At this point other then Fed, its probably Berdych

Corey Feldman
11-13-2011, 08:40 PM
Nole will be back to his best here IMO

SetSampras
11-13-2011, 08:42 PM
Nole won't be back to 100 percent until Next year at the AO or even later. Nagging shoulder injuries can last quite a while

guga2120
11-13-2011, 08:43 PM
Nole won't be back to 100 percent until Next year at the AO or even later. Nagging shoulder injuries can last quite a while

This. He might be smart to not even play. he certainly should not have played Basel.

Roadmap
11-13-2011, 08:47 PM
There were rumours floating around on this forum (I cannot remember who the founder of these rumours was) that the O2 surface has been sped up as compared to the previous two years. Tsonga would benefit greatly from this if true. We will just have to wait and see.

oz_boz
11-13-2011, 08:50 PM
Nadal, if he doesn't face Murray. Murray has a shot too but is prone to throw in a stinker now and then, you never know.

philosophicalarf
11-13-2011, 09:45 PM
There were rumours floating around on this forum (I cannot remember who the founder of these rumours was) that the O2 surface has been sped up as compared to the previous two years.

It seems probable, as they told Murray last year they'd speed it up, but didn't appear to happen.

Hopefully at least make it a medium this year - a level playing field between slow and fastcourters makes some sense for a year-end event. It's still slower than most other indoor events.

Yolita
11-14-2011, 02:22 AM
Hope: Fed
Think: Murray
Hope: Djokovic
Think: Federer

Saberq
11-14-2011, 02:23 AM
Fed wont win it's too predictable..

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:23 AM
Can't help but think Nadal is going to be way too rusty to bring the goods this year..and his shoulder is still in question. Hopefully Nole isn't stupid enough to play.. And forget about Murray.. Pushers don't win indoor events

Saberq
11-14-2011, 02:24 AM
hope Murray the mental midget

cmon Andy

you know better than that man it's in London

Corey Feldman
11-14-2011, 02:28 AM
.. And forget about Murray.. Pushers don't win indoor events
Murray has won 11 career indoor titles, out of date clown :lol:

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:32 AM
Murray has won 11 career indoor titles, out of date clown :lol:

Murray used to be reasonably aggressive ( USO 08 comes to mine) hes pushing more then ever now. With that game plan his chances of winning the YEC are very low. He should be lucky it isn't carpet

Corey Feldman
11-14-2011, 02:36 AM
he's just won 18 out of last 19 matches so whatever he's doing lately is fine

found this to cheer you up, happier times in Paris indoor event for you

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guga2120
11-14-2011, 04:50 AM
With that game plan his chances of winning the YEC are very low. He should be lucky it isn't carpet

He has a very good chance. Considering Novak's health and who knows what to expect from Rafa. Federer v Murray final is very likely.

Topspindoctor
11-14-2011, 04:53 AM
Pushray isn't winning WTF, maximum is SF where he'll make sure to tire out the finalist for Olderer.

viruzzz
11-14-2011, 04:56 AM
It's on Fed's hands.
It all depends. If "Goaterer" (like vs Berdych) shows up, he'll easily win the event. The other big 4 don't stand a chance vs Goaterer.
If Sharperer shows up, he'll reach the final, but Murray can win over him.
If Shankerer shows up, he's scrwed.
If a new Fed shows up, something like... "Pusherer" or "Defenderer", he could win over the little 4, but not the big 4.

It all depends, it's just too difficut to predict. Fed at his RG/Paris level could win the 4 slams next year.

guga2120
11-14-2011, 05:00 AM
Pushray isn't winning WTF, maximum is SF where he'll make sure to tire out the finalist for Olderer.

He can win, and he certainly can do the other thing.

BoleroX20
11-14-2011, 05:08 AM
I really like this picture with him somehow in the center and the 3 others brushed to the side! :lol:

Thanks ATP! :yeah:


There's no "center," they're just lined up from left to right in the order they qualified...

coonster14
11-14-2011, 07:29 AM
Think: Roger (in best form going into WTF with back-to-back titles in Basel and Paris)

Hope: Nole (to end his stellar season on a high note, but a little doubtful about him with the recent nagging shoulder injury issues)

MuzzahLovah
11-14-2011, 07:34 AM
If Fed can produce a month of consistently good tennis after a year of spotty performances, I'll have to stop calling him declinerer, but I don't expect that. His competition is not 100% but the other 3/4 win against fed more often then not under normal circumstances, especially in recent years.

merryploughbhoy
11-14-2011, 07:47 AM
Murrays in a strong position going into this event, the rest will all fear him on the hard court, even more so coming in on the back of some great form. Hopefully the pesky media down won't heap too much pressure on him as they always do, they can't wait to go on about the 'brit' winning, as soon as he gets beat it becomes the 'Scot' going down, can't stand that, it works against him, all the hype. Would love it if he can seize this chance and push on into next year with the monkey off his back.

cardio
11-14-2011, 08:07 AM
only 2 options really :

A) Fed is gonna win it
B) Someone else is gonna win it

It is not quite 50/50 between Fed and field, maybe 38/62 , but Fed is clear favorite compared to any other player. Forget Djokovic, besides his shoulder issues, he shows signs of burnout syndrome.It wouldnt surprise me if he shows up, loses or wins one match and withdraws, giving opportunity to his friend Tipsa. Nadal is rusty like hell and Murray tend to fail on big home scene.

My money is on Fed .

Shinoj
11-14-2011, 08:08 AM
federer might win if Djokovic,Nadal,Murray all of them are not full fit.. Otherwise not much hope for the Old Lungs.

Saberq
11-14-2011, 11:03 AM
I really think that Novak retired form Paris to be 100% for WTF....

Saberq
11-14-2011, 11:04 AM
It's on Fed's hands.
It all depends. If "Goaterer" (like vs Berdych) shows up, he'll easily win the event. The other big 4 don't stand a chance vs Goaterer.
If Sharperer shows up, he'll reach the final, but Murray can win over him.
If Shankerer shows up, he's scrwed.
If a new Fed shows up, something like... "Pusherer" or "Defenderer", he could win over the little 4, but not the big 4.

It all depends, it's just too difficut to predict. Fed at his RG/Paris level could win the 4 slams next year.

and yet he lost RG this year......not to mention that his level in Paris would sent him packing in round 2 of the GS......have you watched the Monaco match?????Fed's level in Paris was enough that's all

Foxy
11-14-2011, 11:24 AM
and yet he lost RG this year......not to mention that his level in Paris would sent him packing in round 2 of the GS......have you watched the Monaco match?????Fed's level in Paris was enough that's all

+1

In Basel/Paris he played nobodies except Berdych & Tsonga who both had a 3+ hour match the day before. Not looking very promising for Rogi before the start of WTF.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 12:09 PM
Either Federer or Murray.

atennisfan
11-14-2011, 12:12 PM
Fed is old, and he's already played two full tournaments back to back. He'll be too tired in London

viruzzz
11-14-2011, 12:22 PM
and yet he lost RG this year......not to mention that his level in Paris would sent him packing in round 2 of the GS......have you watched the Monaco match?????Fed's level in Paris was enough that's all

He had extremely bad luck that final.

Time Violation
11-14-2011, 12:22 PM
Fed is old, and he's already played two full tournaments back to back. He'll be too tired in London

He lost only one set in those two tournaments, he should be fine.

romismak
11-14-2011, 12:28 PM
Schwiezerer is looking very good, but he must play hell of a tournament if he want to win. I mean play 5 matches against best players in 1 week is not the same like his Paris, Basel draws. Even his matches against Berdych, Tsonga weren´t such challenge like it should be in London. Both were tired. Actually only his performance against Berdych was really good enough to win WTF. He won Paris and Basel, but didn´t play something special, was just better than rest...

Biggest question is Nole. If he is fit he is i think best guy on the tour right now. But even if he will be fit, i am not sure if he can survive 5 matches, i mean Nole can win first 2 matches and than can start having problems in 3rd match and loose - retire in SF match...

Nadal is no factor indoors, last year was his chance, best season ever, made F in London and still couldn´t beat his pigeon. Even last year WTF Nadal was nothing special- Roddick could have beat him in group and Murray should have won in SF.

Murray - most likely Nole won´t be able to be 100% and Rafa indoors is not going to win, so Murray i think is the guy who should compete with Roger - it should be best F i think,but both guys must first win their groups to avoid each other in SF.

Others- no one can win WTF right now. Ferrer has no weapons, is consistent but not good enough to deal with big guys, Tsonga and Berdych have the game to beat anybody, but don´t think they can handle 2-3x matches against Big 4 and win in London.
Fish - even if healthy, there is no way he can make it to F.

Rodre Fegassi
11-14-2011, 01:09 PM
Lol at those saying Murray can do it.

Berdych routined him in Paris, will easily do it again in London.

Saberq
11-14-2011, 02:09 PM
He had extremely bad luck that final.

no bad luck he had an open court for a FH and he chose to do a drop shot that he put out....after that he was done

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:34 PM
Lol at those saying Murray can do it.

Berdych routined him in Paris, will easily do it again in London.

Although Berdych has the game to beat anybody on his day, I think Murray should beat him in London. Murray has the game to win the event but the pressure is huge.

Saberq
11-14-2011, 02:37 PM
Although Berdych has the game to beat anybody on his day, I think Murray should beat him in London. Murray has the game to win the event but the pressure is huge.

he has the game not the mind.......

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:40 PM
he has the game not the mind.......

Yeah agree but he improved his mental strength recently even tho he lost to Berdych. But that day Berdych was the better play, no doubt.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 03:08 PM
Does Murray have the game? If he brought his USO 2008 semifinals aggression and attack maybe.. The standing 20 feet behind the baseline and pushing the ball back into play doesn't pose well under the conditions of the YEC however

Corey Feldman
11-14-2011, 03:18 PM
Schwiezerer is looking very good, but he must play hell of a tournament if he want to win. I mean play 5 matches against best players in 1 week is not the same like his Paris, Basel draws. Even his matches against Berdych, Tsonga weren´t such challenge like it should be in London. Both were tired. Actually only his performance against Berdych was really good enough to win WTF. He won Paris and Basel, but didn´t play something special, was just better than rest...


talking like Schwiezerer hasnt proved it in the past, only winning here 5 times including last year beating Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Soderling, Ferrer

he's won 32 of last 34 indoor matches (1 loss v Monf after having 5 mp's)

Saberq
11-14-2011, 04:38 PM
Yeah agree but he improved his mental strength recently even tho he lost to Berdych. But that day Berdych was the better play, no doubt.

I disagree ....that mental improvement was masked against weaker opponents he lost to the first good player he played in the last 2 months not counting Nadal's breakdown in Tokyo

hisham70
11-14-2011, 04:53 PM
Damn I wanna hit Federer, but I hit Ferrer instead.

Sonja1989
11-14-2011, 06:17 PM
At the moment Federer has the better form, I voted for him but never knows.. I give chance for Murray too.

LinkMage
11-14-2011, 11:54 PM
Nadull will get lucky as always and win it. :o

e476
11-15-2011, 12:26 AM
Look for Olderer to get his 6th WTF title.

merryploughbhoy
11-15-2011, 12:42 AM
Lol at those saying Murray can do it.

Berdych routined him in Paris, will easily do it again in London.

Bollocks, routine is what you would describe a 6-4 6-2 win, not somebody loosing over 3 sets and only 3 POINTS the difference over the course of the match.

Topspindoctor
11-15-2011, 12:51 AM
Lol at those saying Murray can do it.

Berdych routined him in Paris, will easily do it again in London.

:haha:

Poetik
11-15-2011, 11:12 AM
I see Murray-Nadal final and Andy win

Egreen
11-15-2011, 12:56 PM
Federer-Murray final with Federer winning.

toby1526
11-15-2011, 01:09 PM
Draw Analysis ATP World Tour Finals 2011

Group A: Djokovic (1), Murray (3), Ferrer (5), Berdych (7)
Group B: Federer (4), Nadal (2), Fish (8), Tsonga (6)
Round Robin stages: (Read horizontally for winner)
Group A:
Djokovic Murray Ferrer Berdych
Djokovic win win win
Murray lose Win win
Ferrer Lose Lose win
Berdych Lose Lose lose

Group B:
Federer Nadal Fish Tsonga
Federer win win win
Nadal lose win win
Fish lose Lose lose
Tsonga lose lose win

Group A winners: 1) Djokovic, 2) Murray
Group B winners: 1) Federer, 2) Nadal

Semi-final 1) Djokovic vs Nadal
Semi-final 2) Federer vs Murray

Final: Djokovic vs Federer or Nadal vs Federer or Murray vs Nadal or Nadal vs Djokovic or Murray vs Federer

That’s if all goes to what the bookies think.:)

Jankotipsaurus
11-15-2011, 01:20 PM
some of them will pull out before , Djokovic, Nadal or Fish

Commander Data
11-15-2011, 01:28 PM
MTF-Polls at it best..

A "who will win *insert anything*-poll" on MTF is equivalent to ask which player won the last big tournament.

And:

Absurd to have Fed as the big fav.
Absurd to favour Murray over Djokovic.

Rodre Fegassi
11-15-2011, 01:49 PM
MTF-Polls at it best..

A "who will win *insert anything*-poll" on MTF is equivalent to ask which player won the last big tournament.

And:

Absurd to have Fed as the big fav.
Absurd to favour Murray over Djokovic.

Absurd to expect anything other than a Nadal/Djokovic showdown.

Those 2 are a lock for the final.

Roadmap
11-15-2011, 01:58 PM
Absurd to expect anything other than a Nadal/Djokovic showdown.

Those 2 are a lock for the final.

I have to admire your persistence.

Roger the Dodger
11-15-2011, 04:15 PM
Roger's winning the poll by a mile. :rolls:

ossie
11-15-2011, 05:02 PM
federer has the best chance imo.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-15-2011, 05:12 PM
Federer.

Silvester
11-15-2011, 05:13 PM
Federer will raise his game again when needed.

Roger the Dodger
11-15-2011, 05:17 PM
Federer will raise his game again when needed.

If he raises it too high, it will shank.

alfonsojose
11-15-2011, 05:28 PM
If Roger loses to Pocahontas early, he's done. If not, just SF for him. Pocahontas will get this one

Saberq
11-15-2011, 05:45 PM
we all know that Nadal will beat Fed in the group right?

Roger the Dodger
11-15-2011, 05:50 PM
On what history? the last 3 indoors encounters?

Mateya
11-15-2011, 06:05 PM
Seppi would comfortably win this, had he only qualified. :zzz:


I'll have to go with Federer at the moment.

We don't know what's up with Armovic.
We don't know what to expect from Rafito.
We don't know how will Muzza play.

In fact, we know nothing.
It will be interesting, can't wait. :)

Roamed
11-15-2011, 06:10 PM
Group A:
Djokovic - beats Berdych in 2, Ferrer in 2, loses to Murray in 3. 2-1 in RR.
Murray - beats Djokovic in 3, Ferrer in 2, Berdych in 3. 3-0 in RR.
Ferrer - loses to Djokovic in 3, Murray in 2, Berdych in 2. 0-3 in RR.
Berdych - beats Berdych in 2, loses to Djokovic in 2, Murray in 3. 1-2 in RR.

Group B:
Nadal - beats Fish in 2, Tsonga in 3, loses to Federer in 3. 2-1 in RR.
Federer - beats Nadal in 3, Fish in 2, Tsonga in 2. 3-0 in RR.
Tsonga - beats Fish in 2, loses to Federer in 3, Nadal in 3. 1-2 in RR.
Fish (or alternate) - loses to Nadal in 2, Federer in 2, Tsonga in 2.

Semis
Federer def Djokovic in 3.
Nadal def Murray in 2.

Final
Nadal def Federer in 3.

Just a guess, not particularly logical ;)

Slice Winner
11-15-2011, 06:49 PM
If Federer hires a babysitter and ditches the twins for a week, he has a good shot.
Don't see anyone out of the top 4 taking more than one scalp.

Sham Kay
11-15-2011, 06:57 PM
Can't see anyone but the bottom 4 winning this..

This might be the first and last time somebody ever says that.. I'd savour it personally.

paseo
11-16-2011, 02:06 AM
Murray.

jcempire
11-16-2011, 02:31 AM
Andy Murray 10000000%

send Federer home
and Let Djoker know what's tennis
make Nadal crazy

guga2120
11-16-2011, 03:03 AM
The Scotsman, book it.

Topspindoctor
11-16-2011, 03:05 AM
Mugray is not winning WTF. His butt injury might resurface again and he might be forced to pull out :sad:

FedvsNole
11-16-2011, 03:32 AM
I think the fact that djoker and nadal are injured/coming off layoffs and the fact that indoors is rogers best surface he doesnt even have to play GOAT level to win this. As long as he plays soliderer and shankerer doesnt show up it will be easier for him to win this year than even last if only based on the health of the competition. Not to mention roger is playing better going into this years WTF than 2010 WTF.
Rumors are faster courts this year which only help roger provided he makes it to the semi's especially since his serve and forehand have been on fire.
/thread

SetSampras
11-16-2011, 04:15 AM
Have to wonder how Rog reacts and plays with Nadal in his draw though. Even though its by far Nadal's weakest surface, he still can have that mental edge which may rear its ugly head. Regardless of how good Fed is on this surface, I doubt he wants to see Nadal right off the bat. Nadal chances are will be rusty but he will be going hard for this since its the only thing he has yet to accomplish

Mechlan
11-16-2011, 04:20 AM
Have to wonder how Rog reacts and plays with Nadal in his draw though. Even though its by far Nadal's weakest surface, he still can have that mental edge which may rear its ugly head. Regardless of how good Fed is on this surface, I doubt he wants to see Nadal right off the bat. Nadal chances are will be rusty but he will be going hard for this since its the only thing he has yet to accomplish

True, but Nadal also probably doesn't want to see Federer right off the bat, especially on this surface. Nadal is a notoriously slow starter in tournaments after long layoffs. Maybe it'll even things up somewhat, should be interesting.

Fedex
11-16-2011, 04:21 AM
Have to wonder how Rog reacts and plays with Nadal in his draw though. Even though its by far Nadal's weakest surface, he still can have that mental edge which may rear its ugly head. Regardless of how good Fed is on this surface, I doubt he wants to see Nadal right off the bat. Nadal chances are will be rusty but he will be going hard for this since its the only thing he has yet to accomplish

LOL

Federer owns Nadal on indoor courts.

Primus
11-16-2011, 07:16 AM
Seppi would comfortably win this, had he only qualified. :zzz:

Win a set maybe :devil:
Pozdrav v Slo!

@Sweet Cleopatra
11-16-2011, 07:53 AM
Vamos Rafa! May be you can surprise us all.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-16-2011, 08:04 AM
Andy Murray 10000000%

send Federer home
and Let Djoker know what's tennis
make Nadal crazy

Quality jinx.

Foxy
11-16-2011, 08:07 AM
If Nadal avoids Murray in the semis somehow he is going to town. Otherwise not so sure.

Saberq
11-16-2011, 10:33 AM
If Nadal avoids Murray in the semis somehow he is going to town. Otherwise not so sure.

are you crazy?Nadal will destroy Murray

Rodre Fegassi
11-16-2011, 12:15 PM
Can't believe Murray has more votes than Nadal and Djokovic.

The fact that you're a Grand Slam champion (as Nadal and Djokovic are) means you can be injured and in the worse form ever, but you should be able to sleep-walk to the final. People should bend for you because you have the aura of a Grand Slam champion - that's the way it should be.

If you're a GS runner-up, every match will be a fight for your life even if you're in the best form ever - because people are not scared of you.

Murray won't make it past the RR - and Nadjokovic is a lock for the final barring some epic fluking from Federer.

Slice Winner
11-16-2011, 01:02 PM
I think the fact that djoker and nadal are injured/coming off layoffs and the fact that indoors is rogers best surface he doesnt even have to play GOAT level to win this. As long as he plays soliderer and shankerer doesnt show up it will be easier for him to win this year than even last if only based on the health of the competition. Not to mention roger is playing better going into this years WTF than 2010 WTF.
Rumors are faster courts this year which only help roger provided he makes it to the semi's especially since his serve and forehand have been on fire.
/thread

Hopefully still a low bounce though.
Faster courts are better for Roger except it might give Tsonga more of an edge against him if Stronga shows up and serves well.

EliSter
11-16-2011, 01:14 PM
If Joker healthy this would be in the bag...like this i think Mugrey will colapse against Fed as usual in finals...and prove that he is nothing but a fail talent.

Elena.
11-19-2011, 10:33 AM
Murray

nalbyfan
11-19-2011, 11:49 AM
The less injured player will win