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"Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno statue taken down

out_here_grindin
11-09-2011, 12:37 AM
The sports world has been rocked the last few days by the reports of Coaching legend Joe Paterno, who has been in charge of Penn State football for 40 plus years is caught in the middle of a horrific child sexual abuse scandal involving former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, who was a legend before his 1999 retirement for the stout Penn State defenses over the years.

There are calls for Joe Paterno to step down immediately for turning a blind eye as a 10-year old boy was ***** in the Penn State locker room showers by former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky in 2002. Paterno is claiming that he was unaware of the situation and that eye-witness and current assistant Mike McQueary did not make clear what Sandusky was doing. The question is why didn't McQueary do anything to stop Sandusky if he witnessed the ****. All he did was contact Joepa who in turned contacted the AD and then nothing happened. Sandusky had access to the teams locker rooms as recently as last week according to some. How can McQueary have witnessed this and then be ok with Sandusky still being around the program for years(he was, reports are that Sandusky continued to bring kids to practice after the 2002 incident). There are now 8 other victomes who are coming out and alledging that Sandusky abused them. Awful situation and as ESPN put it "Joepa's run at Happy Valley always had a magical air to it, until now".

former player under Sandusky Matt Millen shares his thoughts This was heartbreaking to watch because I have never been a Millen fan but to see him break down on national TV was tough. He was cruched because he had trusted Sandusky.
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Joe Paterno

what are your thoughts? Should Joe Paterno be forced out? Does this take away from his former lilly white and legendary legacy?

Tommy_Vercetti
11-09-2011, 12:46 AM
I think that unless there is evidence that Paterno and anyone else getting fired knew what was going down, that is ridiculous to hold them responsible.

That being said, Joe should have retired a long time ago.

Luinir
11-09-2011, 12:49 AM
What is this? Baseball or American football? Lol. I have ZERO clue about these American sports.

Filo V.
11-09-2011, 02:34 AM
College American-rules football.

It's probably hundreds of children this Sandusky guy r*ped. We are essentially talking about a pedophile ring here. The reality is that it seems everyone around Joe Paterno knew exactly what was going on, but decided that their reputation and recruiting was more important than the boys who were being r*ped.

Does that let Joe Pa off the hook? No, he should have done more, gone to the police, and taken definitive action. This happened under his nose and that makes him partially to blame, that this would happen in his domain and that he was so disconnected he never knew what was truly going on and the severity of the circumstances. But, he's ultimately not the person who should take the heat here. He at least said something. He showed concern. No-one else showed concern or cared in the slightest.

It really highlights so much just how much football prestige and reputation comes before morality, comes before any kind of basic human behavior. AD's, coaches, students, boosters, etc. will do anything and everything when it comes to their football, except for the right thing.

Filo V.
11-09-2011, 02:38 AM
Child abuse is extremely common in America, all forms. Whether it's sexual, physical, emotional, it's a serious dilemma in the country as a whole, this story is just an extremely disgusting and egregious indicator of that. Hopefully a serious discussion on the issue of child abuse comes from this, because that is ULTIMATELY the biggest concern here, the state of these boys who were r*ped and also hopefully children who are in abusive situations feeling like they can speak out about what is happening to them. People in general not having shame to speak out about their past.

buddyholly
11-09-2011, 02:53 AM
what are your thoughts? Should Joe Paterno be forced out?

Is the Pope Catholic?

out_here_grindin
11-09-2011, 03:51 AM
I just read the jury report and the 2002 incident was not the only time Sandusky had been witnessed with a boy in the shower. A janitor witnessed oral sex in the shower in 2000 and said "I fought in Korea and saw peoples brain blown out and what I saw in the shower is right up there with things I will never forget". The janiotr reported it to his superior who reported it to yet another superior and this is when the situation died because they were all afriad of losing their jobs. Sandusky was reportedly seen driving slowly in a car outside the janitor building at 3am shortly after this, likely death threats were made in Sandusky knew he had been witnessed.

This particular case never saw the light of day and only a handfl of people knew about it, Paterno not included.

Evidence piling up and nobody did a thing. This guy created an organization to help kids and used it to satisfy his perverted desires.

out_here_grindin
11-09-2011, 04:37 PM
Paterno will retire at the end of the season. Great deal for him. If he resigned now he would always be connected with this scandal, but since he is waiting he will get enough time to go out a hero which is not what he deserves at this point.

Paterno's son is playing the senile card "Dad gets lost moving the lawn".

Mr.Michael
11-09-2011, 05:25 PM
Huge story. Penn State will never be the same again.

So the NCAA got their own Bill Tilden. Thankfully Tilden did his crap so long ago it didn't damage tennis that bad.

Of course Paterno made a huge mistake. And so did Curley and the other high ranking people at Penn State. But it's actually funny how he now apologizes and says stuff like "I wish I had done more". No shit. It's also quite incredible how the students are marching in support of Paterno. What the hell? What's next? They will be marching in support of Sandusky?

The thing I don't get is that McQuery saw it happen in 2002 and told Paterno the next day. He obviously realized along the way that nothing is gonna happen. Why didn't he go to the police? How can you live with this?

By the way, has any of you seen the late shows this week? Are Dave and Jay been talking about this during the monologue?

Ajk822
11-10-2011, 12:35 AM
I go to Penn State, and the past week has been insane. I don't think Paterno should have been forced out. I don't understand why he isn't receiving the benefit of the doubt after 40 years of spotless service. We don't know what McQueary told him. We don't know if he followed up with his superiors. But why would I think he did something to endanger children with his track record? What points to that being in his DNA?

Mr. Michael, a lot of what you said is just plain dumb. Penn State isn't just Penn State football. We're one of the top public schools in the entire world. Not country, world. Recruiters from fortune 500 companies rated us the #1 school in the country to hire from. We have the worlds largest student run philanthropy, THON. This changes none of that.

I'll be at the game on Saturday, and I will be as loud and supportive of my school as I ever have been. I'll celebrate the life and career of a man who made Penn State what it is today, and I'll do it proudly.

Mr.Michael
11-10-2011, 02:22 AM
Mr. Michael, a lot of what you said is just plain dumb. Penn State isn't just Penn State football.

Of course it isn't and of course it continues to be one of the top schools, no doubt about it. But for many years to come the word "Penn State" will be linked with this story. Like it or not. Still it has nothing to do with the fact that it's a great school and it won't change anything regarding that.

Joe Paterno fucked up. I really can't understand anybody who defends him. I mean for christ sake it's just semantics what McQuery told him or didn't tell him. There was obviously something pretty serious going on. And wasn't there already some kind of investigation with this Sandusky creep in the year 1998? Paterno isn't stupid. What were they thinking with those actions they took after hearing about it? They did virtually nothing. Paterno can't defend his actions and neither can Tim Curley, Gary Schulz or Graham Spanier. It doesn't matter if Paterno had lived for 150 years a clean American dream, he fucked up big time.

out_here_grindin
11-10-2011, 02:27 AM
Paterno out along with Penn State President Spanier (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state)

out_here_grindin
11-10-2011, 03:01 AM
reports are that there are groups of Penn State students that are starting to riot in response to the news.

Pirata.
11-10-2011, 03:41 AM
reports are that there are groups of Penn State students that are starting to riot in response to the news.

Over a scandal within the football department including allegations of pedophilia. God bless America :facepalm:

out_here_grindin
11-10-2011, 04:35 AM
yeah its absurdity. They just talked to a reporter who got hit by a thrown rock. A van was truned over,lights are being torn down and one reporter said "a stampede like the running of the bulls happened out of nowhere".

there aim is to get Joepa one more game

Orka_n
11-10-2011, 04:38 AM
:facepalm: What morons.

Pirata.
11-10-2011, 05:27 AM
Watching CNN & ESPN for the last half hour. Students rioting :smash:

Mae
11-10-2011, 11:00 AM
What a very sick mess! I had a lot of respect for Joe, but it is all gone now!

clandis
11-10-2011, 11:38 AM
He knew the guy anally ***** a ten year-old boy in the showers and did not call the police. He deserves a lot more than losing his job.

Filo V.
11-10-2011, 01:28 PM
So, boys and girls, what have we learned today?

In America, football>child abuse in the eyes of millions. I weep for our society.

out_here_grindin
11-10-2011, 01:44 PM
So, boys and girls, what have we learned today?

In America, football>child abuse in the eyes of millions. I weep for our society.

This is what happens when athletes and coaches become gods. You see this all over the place. Athletes who have committed all sorts of crimes are still cheered because they are good at the sports.

Mr.Michael
11-10-2011, 01:51 PM
This is what happens when athletes and coaches become gods. You see this all over the place. Athletes who have committed all sorts of crimes are still cheered because they are good at the sports.

This is quite true. Once again thank god Tilden is gone. Just imagine him giving Sandusky his public support.

I have been watching some of Sanduskys old interviews on YouTube. The classic straight up blue-collar good neighbour talking BS. Sportscenter did a story about him and it's creepy looking at him rollerblading and laughing with those young guys who were apparently in his program.

acionescu
11-10-2011, 03:15 PM
Did you you know Sandusky had an autobiography published? The book is called Touched, i kid you not :facepalm:

clandis
11-10-2011, 04:02 PM
Did you you know Sandusky had an autobiography published? The book is called Touched, i kid you not :facepalm:

Disgusting

Snowwy
11-10-2011, 04:12 PM
He does not deserve one more game and I am so happy that someone stepped up and got rid of him.

Clay Death
11-10-2011, 04:19 PM
affirmative. he really should have been let go ages ago. nobody deserves to be a coach at the same university for nealry 50 years. they should have brought in somebody young and progressive 10 years ago.

university will pay a steep price for this now.

there will be a drop in funding and the top talents in football will go to other schools. and it will go on and on.

out_here_grindin
11-10-2011, 04:36 PM
McQueary was on a recruiting trip when this story broke. Wonder how that trip worked out? I can't believe McQueary still has a job. People are saying he's going to need an army of police on the sideline for the game Saturday.


Another crazy story out of all this. District Attorney who looked into allegations in 1998, has been missing since 2005. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1)

out_here_grindin
11-10-2011, 04:43 PM
This is quite true. Once again thank god Tilden is gone. Just imagine him giving Sandusky his public support.

I have been watching some of Sanduskys old interviews on YouTube. The classic straight up blue-collar good neighbour talking BS. Sportscenter did a story about him and it's creepy looking at him rollerblading and laughing with those young guys who were apparently in his program.

Here's the rabid dog that Paterno failed to leash.
Keep in mind he created "Second Mile" to help kids, then used it for his own personal pervertions.

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Press conference announcing Paterno was fired along with the President. Notice the reaction to the news of Paterno being fired and then the ultra aggressive questions toward the trustee.
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Paterno outside his home after news of his firing
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Clay Death
11-10-2011, 04:55 PM
McQueary was on a recruiting trip when this story broke. Wonder how that trip worked out? I can't believe McQueary still has a job. People are saying he's going to need an army of police on the sideline for the game Saturday.


Another crazy story out of all this. District Attorney who looked into allegations in 1998, has been missing since 2005. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1)


interesting. its not often that district attorneys go missing.

Mr.Michael
11-10-2011, 05:00 PM
Here's the rabid dog that Paterno failed to leash.
Keep in mind he created "Second Mile" to help kids, then used it for his own personal pervertions.

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The signs are already there. The Sportscenter story was even more creepy.

I guess it's pretty obvious why he left his position quite suddenly in 1999? He was forced out.

I guess Chris Hansen is sitting somewhere thinking: Why didn't we do a investigation in Pennsylvania? I could have nailed this idiot.

I think Hansen and his crew had a decoy house in Ohio, so he was pretty close.

Pirata.
11-10-2011, 05:45 PM
First question asked at the press conference was who would coach Saturday's game :help:

rocketassist
11-10-2011, 05:58 PM
The main person to blame was Spanier and Curley as the seniors in charge. Paterno's gone to them, but the chain ends with them.

Of course he could have done more.

BTW students rioting is normal, they did it here (but our riots were justified)

Mr.Michael
11-10-2011, 10:57 PM
I'll be at the game on Saturday, and I will be as loud and supportive of my school as I ever have been. I'll celebrate the life and career of a man who made Penn State what it is today, and I'll do it proudly.

I read your post again and it's just crap. I hope those idiots who are now protesting, will someday realize how dumb they are.

Mae
11-10-2011, 11:29 PM
I saw the rioting on T.V. and I personally thought it was really a sick thing for them to do. I wonder how they would have felt if it had been them that was abused?

Filo V.
11-10-2011, 11:48 PM
The situation has gotten a HELL of a lot worse. Reportedly, Joe Sandusky PROSTITUTED dozens of young boys to wealthy donors, several of which potentially were Penn State donors:

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

Filo V.
11-10-2011, 11:54 PM
The students rioting, they are misguided young kids with a lot of pain, a lot of anger, and a lot of confusion. They are seeing their school essentially be torn apart inside-out, their football team being destroyed, their schools' reputation ruined. So, this is their way of defending their school, and their football team. The problem is that this passion should be directed at JERRY SANDUSKY and THE PEOPLE WHO COVERED UP THIS TRAGIC STORY OF CHILD ABUSE. The riots should be directed at Jerry Sandusky and all culpable of what has happened here. Instead, their passion is directed at the football team, and Joe Paterno. They are stupid kids, I won't necessarily call them evil, but very stupid, have terrible priorities, and zero self-awareness and awareness of the world around them.

Really, the many people defending Joe Paterno, it again speaks to the fact football is basically held to a God-like status to many in America. And that's one of the worst aspects of this entire episode. Exposing just how flawed our society is.

Filo V.
11-10-2011, 11:57 PM
This is what happens when athletes and coaches become gods. You see this all over the place. Athletes who have committed all sorts of crimes are still cheered because they are good at the sports.
Yes. It's disgusting, but it also shows that if you have fame, or that God-like status, just for being able to coach or play a game well, that you really don't have to follow the rules of society everyone else does, you don't have to be a good person. Just sad how so out of whack many people have their priorities.

rocketassist
11-11-2011, 12:11 AM
Chris Benoit is still loved by many, so that's a very good point.

out_here_grindin
11-11-2011, 04:10 AM
It will be interesting to see the atmosphere in Happy Valley on Saturday as the Nittany Lions play Nebraska. How will the players who had nothing to do with this respond? How will the 107,000 in attendance respond?

Ajk822
11-11-2011, 05:39 AM
I read your post again and it's just crap. I hope those idiots who are now protesting, will someday realize how dumb they are.

You didn't grow up in Pennsylvania, and clearly have never gone to a large university where there are large amounts of pride. The rioting was dumb, agreed, but people who don't go here, or didn't go here, simply do not understand what Joe Paterno meant. He was everyone's father. The entire campus was in a daze today.

I reread your first post also, and clearly you've merely listened to mass media and didn't look for any facts in the case. The semantics of what McQuery said are very important. And yes, there was an investigation, of which the lead investigator in the case CLEARY HAS STATED that Paterno had no knowledge and no charges were filed against Sandusky. I don't mind people being of the opinion that Paterno should have been fired, but you better not decide that without facts.

The media has made this into a Joe Paterno story and a bash Penn State story, when that really should not have been the focus. There's been no mention of the thousands of students who peacefully sang our Alma Mater at Old Main in sorrow. There's been no mention of the candle light vigil in support of the victims of these terrible crimes where 8-10 thousand students will come together. There's been no mention of the football game being changed to a blue out, with thousands of students buying blue t-shirts to benefit a charity that helps **** and incest victims. None of that is newsworthy, because people like you don't have anyone to crucify then.

Go ahead and say my post is crap, I'll continue to stand by my university.

Still a proud Penn Stater.

fast_clay
11-11-2011, 05:50 AM
You didn't grow up in Pennsylvania, and clearly have never gone to a large university where there are large amounts of pride. The rioting was dumb, agreed, but people who don't go here, or didn't go here, simply do not understand what Joe Paterno meant. He was everyone's father. The entire campus was in a daze today.

I reread your first post also, and clearly you've merely listened to mass media and didn't look for any facts in the case. The semantics of what McQuery said are very important. And yes, there was an investigation, of which the lead investigator in the case CLEARY HAS STATED that Paterno had no knowledge and no charges were filed against Sandusky. I don't mind people being of the opinion that Paterno should have been fired, but you better not decide that without facts.

The media has made this into a Joe Paterno story and a bash Penn State story, when that really should not have been the focus. There's been no mention of the thousands of students who peacefully sang our Alma Mater at Old Main in sorrow. There's been no mention of the candle light vigil in support of the victims of these terrible crimes where 8-10 thousand students will come together. There's been no mention of the football game being changed to a blue out, with thousands of students buying blue t-shirts to benefit a charity that helps **** and incest victims. None of that is newsworthy, because people like you don't have anyone to crucify then.

Go ahead and say my post is crap, I'll continue to stand by my university.

Still a proud Penn Stater.

a machine doesn't have a soul... the media preys upon that which is darkest inside ourselves to draw attention away from shit that really matters... whether paterno was sacked or not, matters little... the machine still would have fed from the 'should he go or should he stay?' angle - preaching to worst inside us - and again, totally missing the point... if there is a need for crucification, i wouldn't blame the easily led...

Neumann
11-11-2011, 06:30 AM
You didn't grow up in Pennsylvania, and clearly have never gone to a large university where there are large amounts of pride. The rioting was dumb, agreed, but people who don't go here, or didn't go here, simply do not understand what Joe Paterno meant. He was everyone's father. The entire campus was in a daze today.

I reread your first post also, and clearly you've merely listened to mass media and didn't look for any facts in the case. The semantics of what McQuery said are very important. And yes, there was an investigation, of which the lead investigator in the case CLEARY HAS STATED that Paterno had no knowledge and no charges were filed against Sandusky. I don't mind people being of the opinion that Paterno should have been fired, but you better not decide that without facts.

The media has made this into a Joe Paterno story and a bash Penn State story, when that really should not have been the focus. There's been no mention of the thousands of students who peacefully sang our Alma Mater at Old Main in sorrow. There's been no mention of the candle light vigil in support of the victims of these terrible crimes where 8-10 thousand students will come together. There's been no mention of the football game being changed to a blue out, with thousands of students buying blue t-shirts to benefit a charity that helps **** and incest victims. None of that is newsworthy, because people like you don't have anyone to crucify then.

Go ahead and say my post is crap, I'll continue to stand by my university.

Still a proud Penn Stater.

Well said. It really irks me how everyone keeps jumping to conclusions without having all the facts. How many times do we have to be reminded of the Duke lacrosse case?

This looks like Paterno and others tried to protect Sandusky and the reputation of Penn State football. But we don't know yet if that is the case. It could be that Paterno reported McQueary accusations to the AD, and then he was told that the accusations were false, or Sandusky denied them and he believed his word over the young assistant's or whatever.

It'll probably be what it looks like, but I don't understand why people jump the gun. The real villain of the story is Sandusky, and there might be accomplices, but let's wait until everything's proven.

Mr.Michael
11-11-2011, 11:15 AM
You didn't grow up in Pennsylvania, and clearly have never gone to a large university where there are large amounts of pride.

Still a proud Penn Stater.

You're studying to become a lawyer?

I didn't grow in Pennsylvania but I did attend a very good university here in Europe. But any of that doesn't matter.

People say "don't jump to conclusion"? I mean, please? Joe was the most influental man in Penn State and you claim he knew so little? You honestly believe he hadn't already heard things and rumours? And the McQuery thing was the dagger.

McQuery and semantics? How is that possible? You can't hide the fact that he told 2002 something quite disturbing to Paterno. Why are we even talking about this? They obviously took some limited actions against Sandusky, so they believed something serious was going on, right? Paterno himself has acknowledged that he should have done more.

Paterno was just covering and protecting his university. In principle that is understandable but in this case it is also unforgivable.

Cat9
11-11-2011, 01:53 PM
Why the FUCK does that disgusting red headed piece of shit McQueary still have a job? He saw a child being r**** and DID NOTHING. He didn't stop it. He didn't call the police. He called daddy. He was young, 28, tall, strapping, a former quarterback at Penn, he could have stopped the attack in two seconds. Instead, he left a child alone with a monster. This fucker is second only to Sandusky in guilt and if he still has a job come Monday, I'll fucking riot.

Cat9
11-11-2011, 01:59 PM
Can people stop with the 'we don't know what Paterno knew' crap? He knew a 60 year old man was doing something with a 10 year old boy in a shower. Whether it was characterized as 'horseplay' or fondling...you know what, fuck that. A 60 year old in a shower with a 10 year old boy is enough to call the police. There are NO circumstances under which that scenario isn't wrong.

Mr.Michael
11-11-2011, 02:36 PM
Can people stop with the 'we don't know what Paterno knew' crap? He knew a 60 year old man was doing something with a 10 year old boy in a shower. Whether it was characterized as 'horseplay' or fondling...you know what, fuck that. A 60 year old in a shower with a 10 year old boy is enough to call the police. There are NO circumstances under which that scenario isn't wrong.

Very well said. This already feels like some dopy scene from Beverly Hills 90210, where Brandon Walsh gets the students to stand up for a professor who's being accused for some trivial thing.

It's sad how people think someone is so sacred, he can't be criticized for anything. Somehow I doubt the school janitor would have gotten the same treatment.

Ben.
11-11-2011, 03:29 PM
I have never heared of any of these people before but did Joe Paterno, without doubt, know what was going on?

Ajk822
11-11-2011, 04:54 PM
I have never heared of any of these people before but did Joe Paterno, without doubt, know what was going on?

This is shady. He knew something was going on, but according to many many people he didn't know how severe the actions that took place were. One of the prosecutors has said that McQueary's statement to Paterno was rather vague and he never had a full grasp of the situation.

You're studying to become a lawyer?

I didn't grow in Pennsylvania but I did attend a very good university here in Europe. But any of that doesn't matter.

People say "don't jump to conclusion"? I mean, please? Joe was the most influental man in Penn State and you claim he knew so little? You honestly believe he hadn't already heard things and rumours? And the McQuery thing was the dagger.

McQuery and semantics? How is that possible? You can't hide the fact that he told 2002 something quite disturbing to Paterno. Why are we even talking about this? They obviously took some limited actions against Sandusky, so they believed something serious was going on, right? Paterno himself has acknowledged that he should have done more.

Paterno was just covering and protecting his university. In principle that is understandable but in this case it is also unforgivable.

I'm studying to become an Actuary, don't exactly know where you got lawyer from. Did you read the 23 page grand jury report? If you haven't you are jumping to conclusions. If you think he tried to cover it up? You're also jumping to conclusions. There is literally no evidence of that. None.

Do you have it in your head that McQuery told Paterno and then Paterno did nothing? Because that's the way you're blaming him. If his bosses tell the police like they're supposed to then Joe Paterno is being LAUDED for what he did.

Paterno saying he should have done more is true. He probably should have done more. My point is we do not know what he knew, and as such he didn't deserve to be fired in the manner he was. We also don't know if his bosses lied to him when he tried to follow up. One of the men charged with covering this up was the de facto head of police, so why would Paterno not assume he had gone to the police? And if they were willing to lie to a grand jury, why not to Paterno. THAT is what I'm saying.

If he had been allowed to retire the way he wanted this would have been a much smaller issue here on campus. All we wanted was one more game to show the man who has done so much for this university how we feel. And the BoT decided to take that away from us.

jmjhb
11-11-2011, 04:57 PM
Well, that's Penn State's reputation ruined.

Mr.Michael
11-11-2011, 05:23 PM
He knew something was going on, but according to many many people he didn't know how severe the actions that took place were. One of the prosecutors has said that McQueary's statement to Paterno was rather vague and he never had a full grasp of the situation.

Do you have it in your head that McQuery told Paterno and then Paterno did nothing? Because that's the way you're blaming him. If his bosses tell the police like they're supposed to then Joe Paterno is being LAUDED for what he did.

My point is we do not know what he knew, and as such he didn't deserve to be fired in the manner he was. We also don't know if his bosses lied to him when he tried to follow up. One of the men charged with covering this up was the de facto head of police, so why would Paterno not assume he had gone to the police? And if they were willing to lie to a grand jury, why not to Paterno. THAT is what I'm saying.


Really? It's Joe Paterno and Penn State. I'll say it again. Paterno is the most influental man there. It's very naive to think he didn't know.

"How severe the actions that took place were"? Cat9 put it very good. There are just no excuses. The bottom line is he knew about a man, who was a involved in a organization with underpriviledged kids, and he was caught doing something inproper. Enough said.

Joe "would be LAUDED" if he would do the same thing any decent man would? Yes, like I said, some people are treated like gods.

When Sadunsky just keeps on poppin up at the campus day after day, week after week, year after year. Maybe even the great Paterno might wonder at this point; "hmmm, maybe the police doesn't know about this". Just a thought.

Who the hell cares about one football game when these things have happened??? Who the hell cares if a rich football coach is denied the opportunity to coach for one more game when these things have happened??? No one except of those so called intellectuals who are rioting.

Mr.Michael
11-11-2011, 05:34 PM
If were are talking about the classics like "benefit of the doubt", aren't we also supposed to give Sadunsky the benefit of the doubt? I believe he has actually denied the charges. These are horrible accusations, why is he already considered guilty? And no one is rioting.

Well, Jerry can look forward to his prison time. He can kick start his coaching career with the prison team and he will certainly enjoy the showers. He could also write a sequel to his book; "Touched, part 2".

Ajk822
11-11-2011, 06:11 PM
Really? It's Joe Paterno and Penn State. I'll say it again. Paterno is the most influental man there. It's very naive to think he didn't know.

"How severe the actions that took place were"? Cat9 put it very good. There are just no excuses. The bottom line is he knew about a man, who was a involved in a organization with underpriviledged kids, and he was caught doing something inproper. Enough said.

Joe "would be LAUDED" if he would do the same thing any decent man would? Yes, like I said, some people are treated like gods.

When Sadunsky just keeps on poppin up at the campus day after day, week after week, year after year. Maybe even the great Paterno might wonder at this point; "hmmm, maybe the police doesn't know about this". Just a thought.

Who the hell cares about one football game when these things have happened??? Who the hell cares if a rich football coach is denied the opportunity to coach for one more game when these things have happened??? No one except of those so called intellectuals who are rioting.

There's no point arguing with someone who is in "HE HELPED SANDUSKY **** THE KIDS" mode. At least I learned that this week. Just last week people were saying Joe isn't involved enough to control his team. 70 players, and he wasn't involved enough. Now those same people are saying he knew everything and masterminded a cover up. Right...

Again, Penn State's students are doing plenty to remember the victims. I'll once again mention the candle light vigil that will have almost 10,000 students coming together in their honor. But we don't "get it" because we want to honor a man who for forty years made lives better. The "rich" football coach you speak of, makes 20% of what most football coaches of his caliber make. He's given more than half of his salary back to the school, including 4 million in one shot to build a library. Yes, that's a man I'd like to have the opportunity to say thank you to.

out_here_grindin
11-11-2011, 06:49 PM
Paterno and Sandusky were friends for many years. Sandusky had been on that staff for 30 years. If you hear vague reports that he was doing something and then nothing came of it when you reported it, it is natural to trust your friend. Also McQueary had known Sandusky for many years and Sandusky was his fathers good friend, so it had to be a shock to him.

But anything McQueary told Paterno that involved the words, Sandusky,boy and shower should have been been followed up on. I know someone who has been a Penn State fan since the 80's and he said there has always been whispers about Sandusky and some of his boys in the second mile. You have to wonder how much interim Coach Bradley knew. He has also been on the staff since the 80's.

Mr.Michael
11-11-2011, 09:01 PM
There's no point arguing with someone who is in "HE HELPED SANDUSKY **** THE KIDS" mode. At least I learned that this week. Just last week people were saying Joe isn't involved enough to control his team. 70 players, and he wasn't involved enough. Now those same people are saying he knew everything and masterminded a cover up. Right...

Yes, that's a man I'd like to have the opportunity to say thank you to.

There's really no argument here, it's pretty black and white. It's very hard to find anyone who has sympathy for Paterno and rightly so.

And by the way that "mode" thing is very theatrical. You can explain and argue all you want, but Joe Pa fucked up big time. Big time.

Snowwy
11-11-2011, 09:25 PM
This is shady. He knew something was going on, but according to many many people he didn't know how severe the actions that took place were. One of the prosecutors has said that McQueary's statement to Paterno was rather vague and he never had a full grasp of the situation.



I'm studying to become an Actuary, don't exactly know where you got lawyer from. Did you read the 23 page grand jury report? If you haven't you are jumping to conclusions. If you think he tried to cover it up? You're also jumping to conclusions. There is literally no evidence of that. None.

Do you have it in your head that McQuery told Paterno and then Paterno did nothing? Because that's the way you're blaming him. If his bosses tell the police like they're supposed to then Joe Paterno is being LAUDED for what he did.

Paterno saying he should have done more is true. He probably should have done more. My point is we do not know what he knew, and as such he didn't deserve to be fired in the manner he was. We also don't know if his bosses lied to him when he tried to follow up. One of the men charged with covering this up was the de facto head of police, so why would Paterno not assume he had gone to the police? And if they were willing to lie to a grand jury, why not to Paterno. THAT is what I'm saying.

If he had been allowed to retire the way he wanted this would have been a much smaller issue here on campus. All we wanted was one more game to show the man who has done so much for this university how we feel. And the BoT decided to take that away from us.

You are wrong. Paterno has to go to the police or correct authority by law. He does not have to go to his AD. Fans that are supporting him are saying that football is greater than the lives of young children.

Tommy_Vercetti
11-11-2011, 09:42 PM
Where have the parents been? Why haven't they been screaming to the press for years? I haven't been following the details religiously, but if I'm not mistaken, then certain parents have known for years and now they suddenly all go public?

This is sort of like the whole Tiger Woods saga. How is that all of a sudden there all these people coming of the woodwork and it hits the fan all at once?

I'm not saying that the claims are exaggerated at all, clearly this guy is as obviously guilty as Troy Davis, but I'm just wondering why this all comes out now and none of these parents ever filed charges or anything.

out_here_grindin
11-11-2011, 10:22 PM
The timing is bizarre. The jury report mentions one mother(victim 8 I think) asking why her sons hair was wet and he told it was because he took a shower with Sandusky. Apparently all she did was call Sandusky and told him to stay away from her son. No police call or anything else.

There's not really any doubt he is guilty though. If not, then why has there been absolutely no word from Sandusky or his attorney denying the claims?

Clay Death
11-11-2011, 10:29 PM
jopa has hired a top defense attorney. he should not be allowed to get away with this.

now let the lawsuits flow freely.

Mr.Michael
11-11-2011, 10:38 PM
There's not really any doubt he is guilty though. If not, then why has there been absolutely no word from Sandusky or his attorney denying the claims?

Sandusky's lawyer maintains his client is innocent.

I just read that Sandusky is free on bail and he went shopping at "Dick's Sporting Goods". Gee, he doesn't seem to take it too hard. I wonder why didn't anybody kick the crap out of him?

Pirata.
11-11-2011, 10:43 PM
You didn't grow up in Pennsylvania, and clearly have never gone to a large university where there are large amounts of pride.

:bs:

My uncle coached OSU's basketball team. My aunt works in the athletic department and my cousin is a student there. I've been to a ton of football games, did the junior marching band and junior Script Ohio. I know all the words to the fight song and Hang on Sloopy. My family has Buckeye DNA, if you will, and we all have great pride in our school, even the ones that weren't student there.

So hearing Jim Tressel being involved in the NCAA scandal was devastating. Jim did a lot for our football team, including helping us thrash Michigan about 7 times in a row. He admitted covering up the fact that his players were selling athletic merchandise, jerseys and championship rings for tattoos (:o) and lying about it to the NCAA. He resigned for it and lost his job, the team had to forfeit wins. Make note that Jim Tressel's crime was a whole lot less serious than this Penn State child **** scandal, and yet I can't remember anyone rioting in the streets when Jim resigned.

Penn State students can be proud of their school while at the same time denouncing Paterno et al. for their crimes. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/ohio-st-buckeyes/2011/11/8/2547174/penn-state-scandal-joe-paterno-fired-ohio-state-jim-tressel

:wavey:

Pirata.
11-11-2011, 10:46 PM
Also, people need to stop whining about ~school pride~ when the bigger issue here is that at least eight and probably more children were raᴩed and/or molested by Sandusky.

The reputation of your school should not be the primary focus of this situation.

Clay Death
11-11-2011, 11:05 PM
:bs:

My uncle coached OSU's basketball team. My aunt works in the athletic department and my cousin is a student there. I've been to a ton of football games, did the junior marching band and junior Script Ohio. I know all the words to the fight song and Hang on Sloopy. My family has Buckeye DNA, if you will, and we all have great pride in our school, even the ones that weren't student there.

So hearing Jim Tressel being involved in the NCAA scandal was devastating. Jim did a lot for our football team, including helping us thrash Michigan about 7 times in a row. He admitted covering up the fact that his players were selling athletic merchandise, jerseys and championship rings for tattoos (:o) and lying about it to the NCAA. He resigned for it and lost his job, the team had to forfeit wins. Make note that Jim Tressel's crime was a whole lot less serious than this Penn State child **** scandal, and yet I can't remember anyone rioting in the streets when Jim resigned.

Penn State students can be proud of their school while at the same time denouncing Paterno et al. for their crimes. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/ohio-st-buckeyes/2011/11/8/2547174/penn-state-scandal-joe-paterno-fired-ohio-state-jim-tressel

:wavey:

excellent post.

buddyholly
11-11-2011, 11:40 PM
Where have the parents been? Why haven't they been screaming to the press for years? I haven't been following the details religiously, but if I'm not mistaken, then certain parents have known for years and now they suddenly all go public?



I saw one woman on CNN who said that her son was asking questions about ''sex wierdos'' and when she asked him why, he said that Sandusky was one and had done something to him. She immediately called the university and was told to come down immediately. She went and told them her story and they said they would take care of it. She waited and waited and nothing............ And I guess people do eventually give up when they think they are up against a force much bigger than themselves.

More and more this looks like the Catholic church and their efforts to keep people from going to the police. Then they move the priest on and hope the parents give up trying to fight the church.

fast_clay
11-12-2011, 12:35 AM
More and more this looks like the Catholic church and their efforts to keep people from going to the police. Then they move the priest on and hope the parents give up trying to fight the church.

definitely

rocketassist
11-12-2011, 01:13 AM
Paterno shouldn't be prosecuted. Firing was fair.

Pirata.
11-12-2011, 02:32 AM
More and more this looks like the Catholic church and their efforts to keep people from going to the police. Then they move the priest on and hope the parents give up trying to fight the church.

Yep.

smitty8
11-13-2011, 02:43 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/20111106-pennstate-document.html

That is just sick.

Mr.Michael
11-15-2011, 12:39 AM
Sandusky has given an interview to Bob Costas. He's claiming he's innocent.

NBC also found an old interview from 1987 where Sandusky talks about Second Mile. They interviewed some old sports journalist who almost cries because "Sandusky has ruined Penn State". Oh yeah, that really is the biggest crime here. Some people apparently still don't get it.

Pirata.
11-15-2011, 02:21 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RS dr9zeutK

NYPost so take it with a grain of salt, but wow if this is real.

out_here_grindin
11-15-2011, 03:11 AM
McQueary now saying that he infact did intervene in the 2002 incident.

smitty8
11-15-2011, 03:29 AM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

Wow. Just wow.

Pirata.
11-16-2011, 02:37 AM
"I am innocent of those charges," the 67-year-old Sandusky said. "... I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them, and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact."

Asked whether he was sexually attracted to underaged boys, he said "Sexually attracted, no. I enjoy young people, I love to be around them, but, no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys. We were showering and horsing around, and he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor, and we were, as I recall, possibly like snapping a towel -- horseplay," he said.

[...]

Sandusky's remarks came the same night that Amendola, told CNN that his client was just behaving like "a jock."

"Jerry Sandusky is a big overgrown kid," Amendola said. "He's a jock, and for anybody who's ever played sports, you get showers after you work out."

Amendola accused the attorney general's office of having "thrown everything they can throw up against the wall." He said some of the allegations, such as putting a hand on a boy's knee, do not constitute criminal conduct and other cases include no direct complaint by the boy.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7235782/former-penn-state-coach-jerry-sandusky-proclaims-innocence-nbc-interview

Sickening.

Mr.Michael
11-16-2011, 02:49 AM
Sandusky obviously hasn't got the best lawyer. That interview was a huge mistake from him and some of those answers are really incredible. I wonder what's the mood over at Sandusky's house? Are they watching evening news with the wife?

In the future when someone talks about the great achievements that Penn State had in the 80's, I wonder if anyone will ever mention Sandusky's role in building that defence? Tilden still kinda gets some credit for his victories.

Kat_YYZ
11-16-2011, 04:39 AM
Sandusky obviously hasn't got the best lawyer. That interview was a huge mistake from him and some of those answers are really incredible. I wonder what's the mood over at Sandusky's house? Are they watching evening news with the wife?

In the future when someone talks about the great achievements that Penn State had in the 80's, I wonder if anyone will ever mention Sandusky's role in building that defence? Tilden still kinda gets some credit for his victories.
After reading the Grand Jury report, of all those boys sleeping in Sandusky's basement, and him going down there on each time... I kept wondering about his wife. What does she know about this?

That Austrian sicko who locked his daughter in the basement for 15 years or something... he told his wife she ran away with a cult. He was assaulting her down there, she had his kids... Supposedly the mom didn't know all those people were in her own basement all those years.

Who are these zombie women, these Stepford wives? :confused:

Pirata.
11-16-2011, 06:17 AM
The ex-wife of Sandusky's adopted son got a restraining order so that Sandusky cannot be anywhere near her kids without strict supervisor.

Mae
11-16-2011, 04:59 PM
This whole thing is a disgrace and yet everyone connected with Penn State is just worrying about the school! Who is worrying about all the kids that have been damaged for life?

Mr.Michael
11-16-2011, 09:36 PM
Still no jokes about this asshole? I know that Dave and Jay did apparently nothing last week, but c'mon, this week they have to use this in the monologues? That interview had comedic material written all over it.

Have any of you seen this weeks late night shows?

Mae
11-16-2011, 09:44 PM
Dave and Jay do make a lot of jokes about things, but frankly I can't find anything the least bit funny in this situation. But then I don't think I have watched all of any late night show in I don't know how many years. I may catch bits and pieces of them, but that is about it. I don't ever watch much of the guy I really like which is Craig Ferguson. I think he is really funny and I love that Scottish accent ;)

rocketassist
11-16-2011, 09:46 PM
This whole thing is a disgrace and yet everyone connected with Penn State is just worrying about the school! Who is worrying about all the kids that have been damaged for life?

People get carried away with sport, that's life. There's a murderer playing in the third division of football here.

Seingeist
11-16-2011, 09:51 PM
Mae is right.

There are a lot of valid subjects for jokes on late night TV, but the sexual abuse of children is not one of them. I don't imagine that most people are in the mood to laugh at Jerry Sandusky (at least not yet).

Mr.Michael
11-16-2011, 09:52 PM
Dave and Jay do make a lot of jokes about things, but frankly I can't find anything the least bit funny in this situation.

The situation itself is not funny, that is for sure. But Sandusky himself should be ridiculed. And that has always been the late night culture. Really no situation is too sacred there. I remember years ago the OJ Simpson saga. The first week was very quiet and they made maybe a few subtle references, but after a while it really got wild and OJ was the main news for months. And of course Michael Jackson was as well and they made very nasty jokes about him too. Well, for a reason.

Jacko was in the news pretty much for the same reason as Sandusky and there's really nothing funny about a horrific double murder either.

I just think it's impossible to ignore Sandusky. I guess SNL did some kind of reference last week.

out_here_grindin
11-16-2011, 10:45 PM
Pedophilia and humor is nothing new. Hell one of Family Guy's most popular characters is a pedophile. They will probably makes jokes about it as time passes.

Mr.Michael
11-17-2011, 01:29 AM
Jon Stewart and Howard Stern have apparently been talking about this and they have made fun of Sandusky.

jmjhb
11-17-2011, 02:52 AM
This week's South Park made a load of jokes about it.

Seingeist
11-17-2011, 04:18 AM
This week's South Park made a load of jokes about it.

Seems a bit fresh still to be making jokes.

Perhaps I'm disturbed because I only recently read the full grand jury report.

Mr.Michael
11-17-2011, 01:02 PM
I watched a Leno episode from last thursday. He made one quick Paterno reference about finding work, but nothing else. But there was something that I found incredible. There was this comedy piece where Jay and another comedian did a Q&A kind of thing and audience members asked questions. One woman who asked a question came from Pennsylvania and her last name was Sandusky. I just couldn't believe my ears. Jay didn't say anything about the name, they just continued with the bit, but that's just unbelievable. I don't think the name Sandusky is that common.

tangerine_dream
11-17-2011, 04:03 PM
South Park's ripping on Penn State was pretty funny last night.

Sad to say but this kind of abuse happens in every sport and it's been going on for decades. The school and other people who covered up for Sandusky doesn't surprise me. Date rapes have always been swept under the rug to protect star players, what makes people think this would be any different?

Child abuse is extremely common in America, all forms.
Yes, child abuse is another one of those fucked up American phenoms the rest of the world doesn't have to worry about, like obesity and crazies with guns.

Seingeist
11-17-2011, 06:28 PM
Yes, child abuse is another one of those fucked up American phenoms the rest of the world doesn't have to worry about, like obesity and crazies with guns.

Really? The rest of the world does not have child abuse, obesity, or guns?

(Psssst - you need to get out more.)

Lopez
11-17-2011, 06:33 PM
Really? The rest of the world does not have child abuse, obesity, or guns?

(Psssst - you need to get out more.)

Tangy was being sarcastic ;).

She's as pro USA and anti Europe as you can get :p

Seingeist
11-17-2011, 06:50 PM
Tangy was being sarcastic ;).

She's as pro USA and anti Europe as you can get :p

Woops! Thanks, Lopez. :yeah:

My bad, Tangy, I obviously mistook you for serious.

Please forgive me. ;)

In my defense, since moving to the east coast, I have met many people who maintain opinions very much akin to the one that you stated sarcastically. They've completely screwed up my radar for determining when someone is merely taking the piss.

tangerine_dream
11-17-2011, 07:40 PM
In my defense, since moving to the east coast, I have met many people who maintain opinions very much akin to the one that you stated sarcastically. They've completely screwed up my radar for determining when someone is merely taking the piss.
Welcome to the east coast. :wavey: I hope you enjoy our beautiful fall foliage, our lovely winter blizzards, and the suffocating summer humidity. ;) Yes, we're notoriously sarcastic here, maybe too much so. Where are you originally from? PM me if you'd like.

cobalt60
11-19-2011, 12:28 AM
Woops! Thanks, Lopez. :yeah:

My bad, Tangy, I obviously mistook you for serious.

Please forgive me. ;)

In my defense, since moving to the east coast, I have met many people who maintain opinions very much akin to the one that you stated sarcastically. They've completely screwed up my radar for determining when someone is merely taking the piss.
Good luck with us East Coasters- and here I am wanting to move out west one day.

Seingeist
11-19-2011, 12:48 AM
Welcome to the east coast. :wavey: I hope you enjoy our beautiful fall foliage, our lovely winter blizzards, and the suffocating summer humidity. ;) Yes, we're notoriously sarcastic here, maybe too much so. Where are you originally from? PM me if you'd like.

Oh, it's not the sarcasm that throws me off. It's the anti-American attitudes that go to such extremes that I assume they must be being sarcastic (but they aren't). But this is probably more an east coast urban thing (I live just outside Philadelphia).

I'm from the Midwest, actually (Peoria, Illinois, about 160 miles south of Chicago). I'll be moving back there in a few months.

Oh, and FYI, strangely enough, the summers and winters both are far more mild here than in the Midwest, if you can believe it. Illinois gets hit with some nasty blizzards and scalding summers.

Good luck with us East Coasters- and here I am wanting to move out west one day.

Thank you, but it seems as though my time with them will be coming to an end soon. ;)

Seingeist
11-19-2011, 12:52 AM
South Park's ripping on Penn State was pretty funny last night.

I saw some clips and I am forced to retract what I said earlier in this thread about it being too soon, because I had a good laugh. :lol:

cobalt60
11-19-2011, 01:02 AM
Oh, it's not the sarcasm that throws me off. It's the anti-American attitudes that go to such extremes that I assume they must be being sarcastic (but they aren't). But this is probably more an east coast urban thing (I live just outside Philadelphia).

I'm from the Midwest, actually (Peoria, Illinois, about 160 miles south of Chicago). I'll be moving back there in a few months.

Oh, and FYI, strangely enough, the summers and winters both are far more mild here than in the Midwest, if you can believe it. Illinois gets hit with some nasty blizzards and scalding summers.



Thank you, but it seems as though my time with them will be coming to an end soon. ;)
Having been raised in Mass, trained in New York outside and in the city, Naval time in Norfolk Virgnia, part time in Seattle and 20 years in Maine I have to say Maine is a bit behind the times thankfully. Love it here but then again what can you say for a state that is so large with so few;)

Mr.Michael
11-19-2011, 06:49 PM
I saw an interview with a Baltimore sportscaster called Gerry Sandusky. I believe he covers the Baltimore Ravens in the NFL. Well, he just said that these two weeks haven't been easy for him either and he's been doing a lot of explaining. No doubt with a name like Gerry Sandusky. That's just bad luck. They aren't related or anything, the name is just funny.

I watched the Bob Costas interview once again and I found Bob Costas slightly amusing. Yes, he did a great job and asked all the right questions, but his facial expressions were quite funny. There wasn't really any pictures to insert and they pretty much just had to show Bob's face and reaction when Sandusky was giving his stupid answers. Although it seems that Costas has only one expression he still manages to look surprised, stunned, curios, very concerned etc. etc. with the one expression.

Mr.Michael
11-30-2011, 08:08 PM
Is Sandusky's 15 minutes already up? Well, the topic hasn't been in the late night monologues. Jay has done maybe three jokes and Letterman propably none. Dave had some radio guy talking about the mess.

star
11-30-2011, 11:46 PM
Tangy was being sarcastic ;).

She's as pro USA and anti Europe as you can get :p

I’m pretty sure Tangy isn’t anti-Europe. She’s anti-European-anti-American. :p

Filo V.
12-01-2011, 01:43 AM
Bernie Fine is the new pedophile of the month. Sandusky is still on the radar, but most never really gave a damn about the **** situation, just the football. Now that Paterno has been gone a while, a lot of people have forgotten about it because it's not a fresh story.

Pirata.
12-01-2011, 04:00 AM
Is Sandusky's 15 minutes already up?

Nope!

A new alleged victim of the Penn State child sex abuse scandal claimed in court papers Wednesday that former university football coach Jerry Sandusky "sexually abused" him more than 100 times during a four-year period and threatened to harm his family if he spoke out.

The accuser, now 30 years old, claims in the first lawsuit prompted by the abuse inquiry that his "unwanted" contact with Sandusky — charged last month with 40 criminal counts involving eight alleged victims — began when he was 10 years old and taking part in The Second Mile, a charity for at-risk children founded by Sandusky. He said the alleged misconduct occurred at multiple locations, including a university locker room, Sandusky's home and at the site of a Penn State football bowl game.

"I'm … taking this action because I don't want other kids to be hurt and abused by Jerry Sandusky or anybody," the unidentified accuser said in a statement released by his lawyers. "I never told anybody what he did to me over 100 times at all kinds of places until the newspapers reported that he had abused other kids and the people at Penn State and The Second Mile didn't do the things they should have to protect me and the other kids."

The alleged victim said he had been "hurting for a long time because of what happened" and now feels "even more tormented that I have learned of so many other kids were abused after me. "
The lawsuit, which names Sandusky, Penn State University and The Second Mile as defendants in a 27-page claim, seeks at least $400,000 in damages. It also alleges negligence and that the three defendants conspired to "endanger children."

Sandusky's attorney, Joseph Amendola, did not respond to a request for comment.

Ajk822
12-04-2011, 12:14 AM
I've been busy with you know, living through this whole disaster, as well as being a college student. Just thought I'd respond to the general vibe of the whole thread.

Those who are saying "why does anyone just care about the school and not about the kids" which I've seen a few times, you clearly are selectively paying attention. We've raised nearly 500,000 dollars for the victims of these crimes. The athletic department has pledged another 1.5 million dollars.

To the person from Ohio State, I understand, and you're probably right for most of it, until you said the word "crimes" and then I realized you probably think Joe Paterno is a criminal and then your opinion lost all weight. Not a knock on you since the media did a great job of making this the "Joe Paterno Scandal" instead of the "Jerry Sandusk Scandal", but still.

Life's back to normal here, but I'm never going to forget the Nebraska football game. When the players from both teams prayed together pre-game, the entire stadium went silent. I don't know how many of you have been in a singular place as 110,000 people are silent, but that moment will be ingrained in my mind for quite a while.

Mr.Michael
12-11-2011, 12:23 AM
The New York Times did also a interview with Sandusky. And on camera. I find it actually quite surprising how much he is giving interviews. But every time they ask some tough questions he is squirming.

I wonder if he gets to coach the prison team?

buddyholly
12-11-2011, 01:24 AM
Although it seems that Costas has only one expression he still manages to look surprised, stunned, curios, very concerned etc. etc. with the one expression.

That's because his face is mostly plastic.

Mr.Michael
12-25-2011, 02:58 AM
Sandusky's lawyer has actually been quite amusing. His tactics and comments make you wonder if he even has a law degree. Sandusky is in deep shit and that serves him right.

Really, what the hell is going on? First Sandusky, then this Bernie Fine and now a respected sports columnist Bill Conlin is apparently the latest asshole.

thrust
12-26-2011, 09:18 PM
As far as I am concerned, Joe Paterno has gotten a bum rap in all of this. He reported what he was told to higher authorities in Penn State. It turns out that the witness did NOT tell Joe exactly what he saw in the locker room in order to not embarrass Joe. He did tell the higher authorities, the graphic details, that he did not tell Paterno. In any case, it was those above Joe and the witness who should have gone to the police. Joe Paterno has been a great coach, advisor and friend to hundreds of Penn State players and others on campus. He has turned down many millions when offered a Pro contract and has donated millions to Penn State in various ways. The stinking media loves to tear down good people in order to make an evil story more sensational. Joe Paterno, like all of us is not perfect, but he is much better than most pompous, self rightous sports media jerks.

buddyholly
12-27-2011, 01:37 AM
As far as I am concerned, Joe Paterno has gotten a bum rap in all of this. He reported what he was told to higher authorities in Penn State. It turns out that the witness did NOT tell Joe exactly what he saw in the locker room in order to not embarrass Joe. He did tell the higher authorities, the graphic details, that he did not tell Paterno. In any case, it was those above Joe and the witness who should have gone to the police. Joe Paterno has been a great coach, advisor and friend to hundreds of Penn State players and others on campus. He has turned down many millions when offered a Pro contract and has donated millions to Penn State in various ways. The stinking media loves to tear down good people in order to make an evil story more sensational. Joe Paterno, like all of us is not perfect, but he is much better than most pompous, self rightous sports media jerks.

You are confused. It wasn't the media that fired him! It was the university.

rocketassist
01-22-2012, 01:16 AM
Apparently he's on his deathbed.

clandis
01-22-2012, 02:53 PM
He died. Now he will never face charges for his role in the coverup.

out_here_grindin
01-23-2012, 07:19 PM
It's crazy the complete shift in tone this death has than it would have had just a year ago.

Mr.Michael
06-30-2012, 07:50 PM
Well, Sandusky is convicted and waits for his sentence. There is talk about 440 years. I really feel 250 years might be enough.

Now there's a report about an old email where the Penn State officials are talking about covering up Sandusky's crimes. It seems Paterno was right there with them and very aware what was going on and trying to cover up for Sandusky.

I read somewhere that there is a mural near the Penn State campus and Sandusky's image has been replaced. Apparently some Penn State legends have been painted on it. It's kind of disgusting that there is a halo over Paterno's head in the same painting. They should probably erase him too.

Mr.Michael
06-30-2012, 07:53 PM
It's crazy the complete shift in tone this death has than it would have had just a year ago.

Imagine if Sandusky would have died in 2008. The accolades and grieving after the great defensive coordinator has passed away. It won't be quite the same for him when he dies in prison.

Mr.Michael
07-13-2012, 10:17 PM
What's the deal? Are the students still rallying behind JoePa and protesting? The Freeh Report is pretty dark. Paterno no longer gets the benefit of the doubt. Time for everyone to open their eyes down there. Didn't we even have some Paterno fan here defending him?

Mr.Michael
07-22-2012, 04:24 PM
You didn't grow up in Pennsylvania, and clearly have never gone to a large university where there are large amounts of pride. The rioting was dumb, agreed, but people who don't go here, or didn't go here, simply do not understand what Joe Paterno meant. He was everyone's father. The entire campus was in a daze today.

I reread your first post also, and clearly you've merely listened to mass media and didn't look for any facts in the case. The semantics of what McQuery said are very important. And yes, there was an investigation, of which the lead investigator in the case CLEARY HAS STATED that Paterno had no knowledge and no charges were filed against Sandusky. I don't mind people being of the opinion that Paterno should have been fired, but you better not decide that without facts.

The media has made this into a Joe Paterno story and a bash Penn State story, when that really should not have been the focus. There's been no mention of the thousands of students who peacefully sang our Alma Mater at Old Main in sorrow. There's been no mention of the candle light vigil in support of the victims of these terrible crimes where 8-10 thousand students will come together. There's been no mention of the football game being changed to a blue out, with thousands of students buying blue t-shirts to benefit a charity that helps **** and incest victims. None of that is newsworthy, because people like you don't have anyone to crucify then.

Go ahead and say my post is crap, I'll continue to stand by my university.

Still a proud Penn Stater.

So, seven months have gone by and now the FACTS are pretty much out there. Is JoePa still that great and innocent?

The Paterno statue is coming down. Too bad he isn't around to witness it.

buddyholly
07-22-2012, 04:52 PM
You didn't grow up in Pennsylvania, and clearly have never gone to a large university where there are large amounts of pride. The rioting was dumb, agreed, but people who don't go here, or didn't go here, simply do not understand what Joe Paterno meant. He was everyone's father. The entire campus was in a daze today.


Unfortunately too many US universities put the sports programme before the education programme. It seems you think Joe Paterno WAS the university, with learning as a side effect.

out_here_grindin
07-22-2012, 07:05 PM
So, seven months have gone by and now the FACTS are pretty much out there. Is JoePa still that great and innocent?

The Paterno statue is coming down. Too bad he isn't around to witness it.

It's amazing. They interviewed Penn State students and several are still defending Paterno. Goes to show the dangers of what happens when a footbal program is bigger than the university and when one coach has so much power. Penn State is definitely not the lone school where this is the case.

Mr.Michael
07-22-2012, 07:25 PM
It's amazing. They interviewed Penn State students and several are still defending Paterno. Goes to show the dangers of what happens when a footbal program is bigger than the university and when one coach has so much power. Penn State is definitely not the lone school where this is the case.

Yes, I also read an article where many were saying goodbye to the statue and taking pictures with the holy JoePa. Very "emotional" and corny stuff. It still reminds me of those crappy Beverly Hills episodes with Brandon. The journalistic quality wasn't that good, because no one asked those douchebags why are they sobbing about Paterno and why don't they just face the facts. No hard questions.

smitty8
07-23-2012, 02:49 PM
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/23/source-penn-state-to-be-hit-with-fines-in-excess-of-30-million/?hpt=hp_t1

well, is this really worse than the "death penalty"? It definitely hurts them for many years, but they could build things back in time.

Tommy_Vercetti
07-23-2012, 11:59 PM
I think it's utterly ridiculous to strip a team of wins because of criminal misconduct by a member of the coaching staff that has absolutely nothing to do with the games. It's just so ridiculous. Where does this end? It sets a truly terrible precedent.

A team should not lose wins, unless there is cheating involved. Punishing past and future players for the conduct of one man and a small group that may have helped over up his actions for whatever reasons is bs.

buddyholly
07-24-2012, 12:47 AM
I think it's utterly ridiculous to strip a team of wins because of criminal misconduct by a member of the coaching staff that has absolutely nothing to do with the games. It's just so ridiculous. Where does this end? It sets a truly terrible precedent.

A team should not lose wins, unless there is cheating involved. Punishing past and future players for the conduct of one man and a small group that may have helped over up his actions for whatever reasons is bs.

I think the point they were trying to make was that it was not just misconduct by one coach, but a conspiracy of silence by the entire football programme and the university authorities.

Tommy_Vercetti
07-24-2012, 11:44 AM
I would say a small number of administration people who may or may not have known what was really going on is hardly the entire football program. And punishing 13 seasons of teams? There's absolutely no defending it.

buddyholly
07-24-2012, 12:43 PM
. And punishing 13 seasons of teams? There's absolutely no defending it.

No big deal. I am sure most of the teams were black guys, anyway. Right?