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Should Djokovic pull the plug on his spotless season and don't risk any more defeats?

Nole fan
11-08-2011, 08:48 PM
Pete Bodo seems to think so.

I'm divided. For one thing I want Novak to play, but only if he's fit 100%, otherwise losing more matches due to pain/injuries would put a sour note to his spotless season that it's completely innecessary. Nole doesn't need to prove anything anymore and he should concentrate on defending all those whopping points the next season. Playing unfit and risking his health further is just bad on all accounts. What he could possibly achieve playing the rest of the season? His lead in the rankings is astronomical, he will end up the year as nº1 with 3 slams and 10 MS. He doesn't need the points nor the glory.


Pull the Plug, Novak
Pete Bodo (http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2011/11/tj.html)

As I write this, Novak Djokovic's participation in the last two events of the year, the Paris Indoors and the season-ending ATP World Tour Finals in London, remains in doubt. My guess is that he's out of Paris for sure, and doing a cost-benefit analysis of skipping the season finale as well.

Djokovic can afford to miss both, given his whopping lead in the rankings—he has roughly 50 percent more points than No. 2 Rafael Nadal, which is nothing short of remarkable. The No. 3, Andy Murray, has issues: mainly that he can't (or hasn't) win a major. And even though No. 4 Roger Federer was twice within one swing of his racquet—or one miss by Djokovic—of knocking the Serb out of the U.S. Open, much as he had bounced Djokovic out of the French Open, the celebrated Swiss has won just two events this year (neither of them a major or Masters 1000), and is so far behind Djokovic in the rankings points race that you needn't bother doing the math.

So my advice to Djokovic in light of recent events is somewhat heretical: Go ahead and pull the plug on 2011. It will be an extremely short off-season if you do not, and you don't even want to know what you will have to defend come the dawning of 2012. Literally, there will be nowhere to go but down.

Djokovic lost the fourth match of his landmark year a few days ago in Basel, to the tough Japanese digger, Kei NIshikori. Djokovic started with a bang, leaping to a 5-1 advantage, but was soon receiving treatment for a bum right shoulder—the same shoulder, incidentally, that caused him to abandon the Cincinnati final to Andy Murray (his second loss of 2011) in August. Not to be confused with the bad back that forced Djokovic to retire during his Davis Cup tussle with Juan Martin del Potro of Argentina in September.

I don't much like weighing the importance of injuries in specific matches; I prefer the old Aussie maxim, "If you're fit enough to step on court to play a match, you're not injured." I'm also a realist, and know that players often play hurt, and lose because they're hurt. But it's almost impossible to quantify the degree to which an injury affects the outcome of a match. Djokovic lost the third set to Nishikori, 6-0. About all I feel comfortable saying is that it sure didn't look like the Djokovic to whom we've grown accustomed.

Djokovic's present situation is, well, extraordinary. Absorbing just four losses by this stage in any year is a remarkable feat; only Federer, Jimmy Connors, and John McEnroe have done that (in fact, McEnroe lost just three in his record year of 1984). The mind-blowing part is that injury may well have played a significant role in three of those losses. The percentage of losses Djokovic suffered this year due to retirement (in addition to any other factor) is a whopping 50 percent. That's one record that, should it remain unchanged, will never be broken.

The situation also suggests that Djokovic's remarkable run in 2011 has left him with too little left in the tank, physically and perhaps even emotionally, to play it out. It would be a pity to see Djokovic quit. It would be even worse to see him retire yet again, or lose two or more matches this year because he's not fit. Remember, the World Tour Finals is a round-robin event; he could lose three matches there alone.

Some critics will undoubtedly scoff and say that showing the white flag would be a downer. Others might suggest that the present situation reminds them nothing more than early Djokovic—the young Gluten-woffing guy who sometimes seemed a borderline hypochondriac with his relentless and assorted injuries and allergies. Up to and including the U.S. Open, Djokovic made a persuasive case for having re-invented himself as an iron man, thanks to coping with his allergies and the benefits of his gluten-free diet. But did he run his body into ruin just because he could, taking a giddy emotional, mental and physical ride that was as unsustainable as it was brillliant? It can happen, you know. Horses have been known to run themselves to death. Did Djokovic become . . . too fit?

We don't really know the answer to that. Djokovic and his camp may not know it, either. McEnroe, Connors, Federer and others have been able to sustain comparable levels of excellence through the entire year, playing more matches than Djokovic is on track to log. But everyone is different, and the circumstances and conditions are all unique.

At this point it's fair to wonder if the "new" Novak Djokovic can really be as different from the old, as he seemed to be for most of 2011. It would be unfair and callous to second-guess the nature or degree of Djokovic's injuries and ailments, but there's nothing wrong with contemplating another option at this crossroads. Maybe Novak should pack it in before he does himself serious damage, or finds himself looking at a very short off-season and an impossibly long 2012.

Roadmap
11-08-2011, 08:52 PM
If Djokovic cares for the fans then yes he will not play any more matches.

Nole fan
11-08-2011, 08:52 PM
If Djokovic cares for the fans then yes he will not play any more matches.

Are you being cynical?

Nixer
11-08-2011, 08:54 PM
Too late IMO after being bageled by Kei :shrug:

leng jai
11-08-2011, 08:56 PM
He already fucked up his season with too many defeats.

Nole fan
11-08-2011, 08:57 PM
There are 1.6 million reasons why he WILL play

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanoverend/2011/11/so_what_would_you_do.html

So what would you do?

Jonathan Overend | 17:21 UK time, Tuesday, 8 November 2011

Your shoulder hurts after a long year and probably needs further rest to let it fully recover ahead of the World Tour Finals, yet one match here in Paris can earn you $1.6m.

This has been playing on Novak Djokovic's mind ever since the world number one lost to Kei Nishikori in Basel last week.

I'm talking about the ATP "bonus pool", the incentive scheme to make sure all the top players compete in the mandatory Masters 1000 tournaments.

Djokovic is clearly nowhere near full fitness. The shoulder problem which has bugged him since the American hard court summer still persists and forced him to lose a final set 6-0 to Nishikori, yet there is enormous financial pressure for him to appear in the French capital.

He may have won more than $10m in prize money this season but the dangling bonus-pool cheque is almost impossible to ignore.
The ATP rule book is very clear on this.

As world number one, Djokovic is entitled to a bonus of $2m if he plays all eight of the Masters 1000 events during a season, with that bonus reducing to $1.6m if he plays seven of the eight.

So far, he has played six out of seven having withdrawn from Shanghai last month. If he pulls out of another - meaning only six of the eight played - then that bonus is wiped out, injury or no injury.

According to the rule book, the only exceptions are made for players who reach a certain age or a certain of number of tour matches played. As things stand, there is leeway for Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal but not the man who has dominated them this year.


Djokovic has lost just four matches in 2011. Photo: Getty

The organisers here at Paris Bercy run a terrific tournament, They may have taken a strange decision to slow the court considerably this year but they have good crowds, even for the dull matches, a brilliant on-court sound and light show, the best of the year, and innovative player facilities.

And while they desperately want Djokovic to appear, they have been fearing the worst for the past few days.

The incentive scheme is a decent concept but at this moment in time it's unhelpful. Djokovic needs only play one match to earn a million quid and that could bring trouble.

If Djokovic, who is scheduled to practice here on Tuesday evening, is advised by medics not to play, what is he to do? Yes he's rich beyond belief, but as one former pro told me: "He'll play. It's a million dollars plus."

Common sense should prevail and the ATP should take the pressure off the Serb, winner of three of the four majors this year, by giving him a bonus anyway. Not the full amount but something as a compromise.

He has hardly shirked his duties this year.

It would set a precedent, and Djokovic has won quite enough money this year to sort his family and his friends up for life, so maybe put it to a vote of the other players. The result would be interesting.

As Federer said: "Normal common sense can solve so many problems in our sport". It is not common sense for tennis to effectively penalise its star of the season.

Wow, thanks, didn't know about that bonus. :eek:

But even so, Nole is filthy rich, will he risk his shoulder getting worse for a 1,6 million? Oh decisions, decisions. :scratch:

DrJules
11-08-2011, 08:58 PM
There are 1.6 million reasons why he WILL play

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanoverend/2011/11/so_what_would_you_do.html

There is far too much attendance and appearance money in tennis.

It should be included in the prize money so if you win matches and tournaments you receive it i.e. normal prize money.

Sham Kay
11-08-2011, 08:59 PM
Of course not. Djokovic is a man. Men don't bail under any circumstances. Real men risk breaking every bone in their body to compete, cause they're idiots by nature.

Now that's pressure.

Roadmap
11-08-2011, 09:02 PM
Of course not. Djokovic is a man. Men don't bail under any circumstances. Real men risk breaking every bone in their body to compete, cause they're idiots by nature.Now that's pressure.

Are you a man?

EddieNero
11-08-2011, 09:03 PM
Watch Djokovic losing all of his round robin matches at WTF. Great schedulling.

Sunset of Age
11-08-2011, 09:07 PM
Imno, Djokovic should let this depend on whether he indeed feels healthy enough to compete. If not, it might indeed be a better idea to skip the rest of the season and rest up for 2012.

But... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ plays a major role, of course. Human Behaviour, once again.

BTW Nole fan, if you haven't yet found out - Mr. Pete Bozo is massive attention-whoring bandwagonner excuse for a 'journo'. I wouldn't pay too much attention to what he 'thinks'. ;)

Nole fan
11-08-2011, 09:08 PM
Novak Djokovic: ... I still don't know how my shoulder will react. Will find out tonight and tomorrow morning. ...

Roadmap
11-08-2011, 09:11 PM
Are you being cynical?

;)

Foxy
11-08-2011, 09:11 PM
He cannot afford to stop. The points diff is not that large and in the worst case scenario he can lose his N1 after AO. Looking at the draw in Paris I don't see who can beat him until the finals. Tsonga on this slow court cannot trouble him. Monfils or Ferere? No way. Let's see London. I don't see any possibility to lose 2 matches in the groups. So he is definitely in the semis. Seeing the line so close he can do it all the way. The most stupid thing is to hide and stop playing now. Who cares if he loses 1 or 2 more matches. Not him. The pressure is already off.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-08-2011, 09:11 PM
If he really cares about his record this year, then yeah. Otherwise, what for? I think he has a good chance to reach at least semis at Bercy and same at WTF. Then who knows. You can always pose the same question at any point of the season.

janko05
11-08-2011, 09:21 PM
who cares about spotless season...AJDE NOLE :rocker2:

Lopez
11-08-2011, 09:38 PM
I don't think a few more losses will hurt his year much anymore, if he had only 2 losses or something I would understand.

Naturally if there is a risk of jeopardizing next season, he shouldn't play.

Sapeod
11-08-2011, 10:04 PM
It would be good to not see Djokovic for a couple of months :wavey:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-08-2011, 10:06 PM
It would be good to not see Djokovic for a couple of months :wavey:

I'm not his fan but saying this just indicates your only hope is to see these guys out of competition.

Sham Kay
11-08-2011, 10:07 PM
Are you a man?
It's obvious we both are.

Moose Limb
11-08-2011, 10:12 PM
Knole nos what Knole must do.

Sham Kay
11-08-2011, 10:12 PM
It would be good to not see Djokovic for a couple of months :wavey:
Deja vu. My golden shamrock tells me you've said something similar to this recently. Repetition fires home an opinion hm? I'll take notes. Then burn it.

MIMIC
11-08-2011, 10:24 PM
Meh, he already messed it up with Davis Cup....might as well keep going :p

Henry Chinaski
11-08-2011, 10:28 PM
it's quite simple.

if he's injured he shouldn't play, if he's fit he should.

if he stopped just to preserve a better W-L% that would make him the worse kind of coward.

Bodo is a fucking tit

Rodre Fegassi
11-08-2011, 10:32 PM
There is no reason why Nole shouldn't rest from now until the AO 2012 to heal his chronic injuries.

Who cares if he misses the WTF?

It's not a slam is it.

BigJohn
11-08-2011, 10:32 PM
it's quite simple.

if he's injured he shouldn't play, if he's fit he should.

if he stopped just to preserve a better W-L% that would make him the worse kind of coward.

Bodo is a fucking tit

That would be bad. He already has the worse kind of fans...


... then again, some of his "fans" are cowards (Farentwat comes to mind, plus the 2008 horde that went MIA until he started to win again) so I guess they recognize themselves in Nole.

Sham Kay
11-08-2011, 10:47 PM
There is no reason why Nole shouldn't rest from now until the AO 2012 to heal his chronic injuries.

Who cares if he misses the WTF?

It's not a slam is it.
So basically you're a parody of the perceived worst posters on this forum. Or at least their traits.

A ghost of MTF past if you will.

My cluedo instincts are going into overtime.

simplet
11-08-2011, 11:12 PM
That would be bad. He already has the worse kind of fans...


... then again, some of his "fans" are cowards (Farentwat comes to mind, plus the 2008 horde that went MIA until he started to win again) so I guess they recognize themselves in Nole.

I'm pretty sure there is a universal rule at play here : "The more you win, the stupider your fans get."

He's been winning a lot lately...

shiaben
11-08-2011, 11:15 PM
Hopefully he doesn't win one round just for the appearance, then retire the next match. Would be upset.

Gagsquet
11-08-2011, 11:17 PM
He is greedy, he would play on a wheelchair.

Moose Limb
11-08-2011, 11:36 PM
I really don't know with Novak. I mean, the very same shoulder thing precluded him from finishing his ultimate match at Cincy against Andy...but then he went on to win the Slammie at NYC. Who knows with Novak. To be safe, I would have skipped Paris. But the hell do I know, really?

NikolaBGD
11-08-2011, 11:36 PM
Novak has "shoulder tendinitis", I had that few years before, you feel the pain, but its not so serious that you can't play... but sometimes it bug you mentally, and you play worse than usually.

When you rest few days, you don't feel any pain...

If Novak decide to play tommorow, that means that pain is not big issue, but you never know when it strikes you... it's unpredictable when some minor shoulder disturb become unbearable.

We'll se what he decide, anyhow, AO is only place where he will have to prove something, this is a boring part of the season, and because of that, lot of noise for nothing, who gives a sh*it if Novak lose every match till the end of a season, or not play any match...

Down Under waits for big party, this is for other guys ;)

BigJohn
11-08-2011, 11:53 PM
I'm pretty sure there is a universal rule at play here : "The more you win, the stupider your fans get."

He's been winning a lot lately...

:woohoo:

I'm a Roddick fan.

Cloudygirl
11-09-2011, 12:01 AM
He is greedy, he would play on a wheelchair.

and you wouldn't play for that bonus?

Much as it annoys me to say it, if anyone deserves a bonus this year it's him and who wouldn't turn up for a million.

rocketassist
11-09-2011, 12:28 AM
Well if he pulls the plug, then the argument for Djokovic's 2011 beating Fed's best seasons ends statistically (no YEC)

Topspindoctor
11-09-2011, 12:38 AM
He should play in YEC at least.

Orka_n
11-09-2011, 12:42 AM
Of course he shouldn't play if he really is injured, but to pull out mainly because he wants a cleaner season is a ridiculous idea. (And not very smart either, considering a YEC title would really cement this season as one of the best ever.) If I were him I'd skip Paris and prepare for London.

abraxas21
11-09-2011, 01:17 AM
djokovic injuries are as legit as this

http://www.jokespalace.com/wp-content/uploads/free-candy.jpg

kafkavert
11-09-2011, 01:41 AM
There is far too much attendance and appearance money in tennis.

It should be included in the prize money so if you win matches and tournaments you receive it i.e. normal prize money.

The organisers deserve to see Djoko lose because that disgraceful green slow courts should be banned! They already have a pusher tournament called Roland Garros!

abraxas21
11-09-2011, 01:46 AM
one of the clowniest thread titles i've read in quite a while. with such an envolope, i didnt care to take a look at the content

rocketassist
11-09-2011, 01:48 AM
The organisers deserve to see Djoko lose because that disgraceful green slow courts should be banned! They already have a pusher tournament called Roland Garros!

Indian Wells, Miami and the US Open (of 2011) are pusher tournaments. Conditions completely catered for it.

Matt01
11-09-2011, 01:54 AM
He should try to play the WTF and win it. Of course only if he is really healthy and doesn't risk long-term injury.


It would be good to not see Sapeod for a couple of months :wavey:


Fixed it for you :wavey:

Matt01
11-09-2011, 01:55 AM
djokovic injuries are as legit as this


Are you his doctor or just trolling around?

stewietennis
11-09-2011, 02:03 AM
It's a great season, but not exactly spotless

BigJohn
11-09-2011, 02:08 AM
Best year ever? It will most likely turn out to be Nole's best season and nothing more. It can no longer be called a candidate for one of the greatest years ever since, well, he did not play well for the whole year...

Johnny Groove
11-09-2011, 02:36 AM
It all depends on how healthy he is. If he feels he can play, then play. If not, then rest until London WTF.

Well if he pulls the plug, then the argument for Djokovic's 2011 beating Fed's best seasons ends statistically (no YEC)

Well of course.

Maybe 2005 Fed vs. Djokovic 2011. But none of Fed's 3 slam seasons.

rickcastle
11-09-2011, 02:41 AM
It's a great season, but not exactly spotless

Exactly.. a spotless season would have no bagels in it.

v-money
11-09-2011, 02:59 AM
Djokovic should pull out for the sake of protecting the fragile egos of his fans.

juan27
11-09-2011, 03:22 AM
nole shuoldn`t play in paris and maybe in the wtf too.

he needs to recovery his physicall condition 100%

nadal is resting and being prepared for the wtf, davis cup and the season 2012.

If nole play injured , it is going to lose some matches and also aura.

in 2012 is not going to begin the season in his better physical condition and can gift him to nadal what he needs to recover his confidence and start to defeat nole again.

he should rest and recover his phisycall for the 2012 season.

his physycall level this year was anormal , it`s logic his injuries now

BigJohn
11-09-2011, 03:34 AM
Nole should retire for his fans.

Forehander
11-09-2011, 07:05 AM
lol? Should this questioned be even considered if you're a real man? You play to win, accept new challenges and learn from defeats. Just because you've had amazing run on the first half you don't just "preserve" your victories and turtle for the rest of the season. The Serb is the reigning world number one and is well enough to play, so why shouldn't he? Some of you fan boys who agree with this are just so pathetic .

xdrewitdajx
11-09-2011, 07:16 AM
If he's injured and risks further injury, then he shouldn't play. If he is not injured, then he absolutely should play.


it's pretty simple.

Time Violation
11-09-2011, 08:33 AM
If he's injured and risks further injury, then he shouldn't play. If he is not injured, then he absolutely should play.

it's pretty simple.

Some will still find this concept too difficult to grasp :lol:

Rodre Fegassi
11-09-2011, 10:08 AM
Exactly.. a spotless season would have no bagels in it.

A spotless year would mean you never lost a point, let alone a game, let alone a set, let alone a match, let alone a match in which you got bagelled.

Oh, and each point you play has to be either an ace or a return winner, thus your opponent didn't even get to return one of your shots because they were all so GOAT.

I don't think Djokovic is capable of that.

We'll see if Nadal manages it next year.

leng jai
11-09-2011, 10:32 AM
Faker should pull the plug on 2012 and become the undefeated GOAT.

Nole fan
11-09-2011, 11:08 AM
A spotless year would mean you never lost a point, let alone a game, let alone a set, let alone a match, let alone a match in which you got bagelled.

Oh, and each point you play has to be either an ace or a return winner, thus your opponent didn't even get to return one of your shots because they were all so GOAT.

I don't think Djokovic is capable of that.

We'll see if Nadal manages it next year.

I was about to say that. :lol:

KaiserT
11-09-2011, 11:12 AM
1.6 million......... unless he's going to do serious damage he has to play.

Just tank to Dodig, what's the problem? :lol:

Voo de Mar
11-09-2011, 11:16 AM
He should play because the draw is favorable.

BigJohn
11-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Faker should pull the plug on 2012 and become the undefeated GOAT.

Then we would have 2 undefeated goats since Nadal also never lost. What a great era.

Rodre Fegassi
11-09-2011, 11:30 AM
Even with 2 broken arms Djokovic shld b a lock for this.

Nadal isn't even in the tournie!!

Shinoj
11-09-2011, 11:57 AM
He doesnt need to play in Paris. Quite obviously he seem to have been affected by all the criticism. if he cant train for two days after Basel how can he be in good shape for Paris.

Nole fan
11-09-2011, 12:22 PM
He doesnt need to play in Paris. Quite obviously he seem to have been affected by all the criticism. if he cant train for two days after Basel how can he be in good shape for Paris.

He won't be in good shape, that's certain. But maybe he needs the time on court for WTF preparation? he needs to know where he stands. He's still healing and his shoulder/elbow is clearly bothering him, but he still won comfortably against Kubot and Baghdatis and would have won in 2 sets against Kei if he hadn't wasted his chances of closing the match. :shrug:

Shinoj
11-09-2011, 12:36 PM
He won't be in good shape, that's certain. But maybe he needs the time on court for WTF preparation? he needs to know where he stands. He's still healing and his shoulder/elbow is clearly bothering him, but he still won comfortably against Kubot and Baghdatis and would have won in 2 sets against Kei if he hadn't wasted his chances of closing the match. :shrug:

I think right now as it stands he requires more healing than time on court. Also,If he had gotten past Kei what certainty was there that he wouldn't have faced that problem in the finals.

Egreen
11-09-2011, 06:11 PM
Pete Bodo seems to think so.

I'm divided. For one thing I want Novak to play, but only if he's fit 100%, otherwise losing more matches due to pain/injuries would put a sour note to his spotless season that it's completely innecessary. Nole doesn't need to prove anything anymore and he should concentrate on defending all those whopping points the next season. Playing unfit and risking his health further is just bad on all accounts. What he could possibly achieve playing the rest of the season? His lead in the rankings is astronomical, he will end up the year as nº1 with 3 slams and 10 MS. He doesn't need the points nor the glory.


Pull the Plug, Novak
Pete Bodo (http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2011/11/tj.html)

As I write this, Novak Djokovic's participation in the last two events of the year, the Paris Indoors and the season-ending ATP World Tour Finals in London, remains in doubt. My guess is that he's out of Paris for sure, and doing a cost-benefit analysis of skipping the season finale as well.

Djokovic can afford to miss both, given his whopping lead in the rankings—he has roughly 50 percent more points than No. 2 Rafael Nadal, which is nothing short of remarkable. The No. 3, Andy Murray, has issues: mainly that he can't (or hasn't) win a major. And even though No. 4 Roger Federer was twice within one swing of his racquet—or one miss by Djokovic—of knocking the Serb out of the U.S. Open, much as he had bounced Djokovic out of the French Open, the celebrated Swiss has won just two events this year (neither of them a major or Masters 1000), and is so far behind Djokovic in the rankings points race that you needn't bother doing the math.

So my advice to Djokovic in light of recent events is somewhat heretical: Go ahead and pull the plug on 2011. It will be an extremely short off-season if you do not, and you don't even want to know what you will have to defend come the dawning of 2012. Literally, there will be nowhere to go but down.

Djokovic lost the fourth match of his landmark year a few days ago in Basel, to the tough Japanese digger, Kei NIshikori. Djokovic started with a bang, leaping to a 5-1 advantage, but was soon receiving treatment for a bum right shoulder—the same shoulder, incidentally, that caused him to abandon the Cincinnati final to Andy Murray (his second loss of 2011) in August. Not to be confused with the bad back that forced Djokovic to retire during his Davis Cup tussle with Juan Martin del Potro of Argentina in September.

I don't much like weighing the importance of injuries in specific matches; I prefer the old Aussie maxim, "If you're fit enough to step on court to play a match, you're not injured." I'm also a realist, and know that players often play hurt, and lose because they're hurt. But it's almost impossible to quantify the degree to which an injury affects the outcome of a match. Djokovic lost the third set to Nishikori, 6-0. About all I feel comfortable saying is that it sure didn't look like the Djokovic to whom we've grown accustomed.

Djokovic's present situation is, well, extraordinary. Absorbing just four losses by this stage in any year is a remarkable feat; only Federer, Jimmy Connors, and John McEnroe have done that (in fact, McEnroe lost just three in his record year of 1984). The mind-blowing part is that injury may well have played a significant role in three of those losses. The percentage of losses Djokovic suffered this year due to retirement (in addition to any other factor) is a whopping 50 percent. That's one record that, should it remain unchanged, will never be broken.

The situation also suggests that Djokovic's remarkable run in 2011 has left him with too little left in the tank, physically and perhaps even emotionally, to play it out. It would be a pity to see Djokovic quit. It would be even worse to see him retire yet again, or lose two or more matches this year because he's not fit. Remember, the World Tour Finals is a round-robin event; he could lose three matches there alone.

Some critics will undoubtedly scoff and say that showing the white flag would be a downer. Others might suggest that the present situation reminds them nothing more than early Djokovic—the young Gluten-woffing guy who sometimes seemed a borderline hypochondriac with his relentless and assorted injuries and allergies. Up to and including the U.S. Open, Djokovic made a persuasive case for having re-invented himself as an iron man, thanks to coping with his allergies and the benefits of his gluten-free diet. But did he run his body into ruin just because he could, taking a giddy emotional, mental and physical ride that was as unsustainable as it was brillliant? It can happen, you know. Horses have been known to run themselves to death. Did Djokovic become . . . too fit?

We don't really know the answer to that. Djokovic and his camp may not know it, either. McEnroe, Connors, Federer and others have been able to sustain comparable levels of excellence through the entire year, playing more matches than Djokovic is on track to log. But everyone is different, and the circumstances and conditions are all unique.

At this point it's fair to wonder if the "new" Novak Djokovic can really be as different from the old, as he seemed to be for most of 2011. It would be unfair and callous to second-guess the nature or degree of Djokovic's injuries and ailments, but there's nothing wrong with contemplating another option at this crossroads. Maybe Novak should pack it in before he does himself serious damage, or finds himself looking at a very short off-season and an impossibly long 2012.


He should have.

Gagsquet
11-09-2011, 06:16 PM
Legit bagel last week. Djoko proved it today.

xdrewitdajx
11-09-2011, 06:22 PM
of course it was a legit bagel. Every bagel that happens is legit. Years from now, if you're looking at "total bagels that season" stats, you won't be going back to footage of each individual match and give a subjective and flawed analysis of whether the bagel was legit or not. A bagel is a bagel. Djokovic fed them, now Djokovic ate one. If someone plays a match, the result is the result. If someone retires from a match, the end result (win for the other person) is still the end result.
-insert TENNIS "FANS", Y U NO UNDERSTAND jpg-

GSMnadal
11-09-2011, 06:25 PM
Yeah sure, play when you're in the form of your life, and when things get a little bit tough stop playing so they can't beat you in order to keep your high winning% :rolleyes:

True champions mentality... when you're really injured, it's fine and it's smart not to play. But to not play because you're not in top shape anymore and don't want to lose would be such a cowardly thing to do, and would damage his season and reputation way more than a couple of losses in some rubbish tournaments.

Vida
11-09-2011, 07:25 PM
ts. this guy. makes me sick reading his bullshit.

Sham Kay
11-09-2011, 07:58 PM
of course it was a legit bagel. Every bagel that happens is legit. Years from now, if you're looking at "total bagels that season" stats, you won't be going back to footage of each individual match and give a subjective and flawed analysis of whether the bagel was legit or not. A bagel is a bagel. Djokovic fed them, now Djokovic ate one. If someone plays a match, the result is the result. If someone retires from a match, the end result (win for the other person) is still the end result.
-insert TENNIS "FANS", Y U NO UNDERSTAND jpg-
You underestimate the increase in technology in the future. Our children's children will be massive clowns the likes of which has never been witnessed even today thanks to further advances in technology. I mean, look what its done to us.

Looking back at that match on their Ieverything 4000 device, they'll take one look at Djokovic's record for the year.. then another look at Kei who bagelled him and think.. Basel's probably in Japan - tanked it to please the crowd.

The evidence suggests that tennis fans' knowledge of the sport will decrease as time goes on.


On a more somber note, Djoker should throw his compatriot a bone instead of boning him with it for once. For Troicki's sake and his own lingering WTF chances.

Mountaindewslave
11-09-2011, 08:15 PM
he should keep playing if he doesn't really have an injury (which he doesn't). if he had one he wouldn't even participate in Paris because it would not be worth risking the WTF....

of course Djokovic always seems to have some sort of injury surface when he 'loses' but there won't be a problem if he wins :o

NikolaBGD
11-09-2011, 08:30 PM
he should keep playing if he doesn't really have an injury (which he doesn't). if he had one he wouldn't even participate in Paris because it would not be worth risking the WTF....

of course Djokovic always seems to have some sort of injury surface when he 'loses' but there won't be a problem if he wins :o

...says Nadaltard:haha:

Ok, your man don't play this week, give us a break, your stupidity this year is worth ACC title, together with little boy Sapeod.;)

tektonac
11-09-2011, 08:37 PM
nope. by the end of the day it is # of GSs and # of millions what counts. i'm sure only few here were aware of jmac's record while everybody was aware of the former. i guess only hataz care about the win/loss ratio and that has 0 (zero) value :wavey:

Nole fan
11-09-2011, 08:43 PM
Novak Djokovic on press interview today:

“There are a lot of stories around,” he said after the match of the ‘will he / won’t he’ situation. “It’s normal when you are one of the top players that you get some attention, and things that you do on and off the court are being watched. I don’t want to say if it’s fair or not fair. Everybody has the right to –and freedom to –say what they want and everybody has a right to their own opinion. But I came here because I’m a professional tennis player and I want to compete. That’s about all it is.”

“My back (which kept him off court for six weeks this autumn) wasn’t in any kind of injury state, it was only the shoulder that was a little bit troubling me in Basel, and I took the necessary measures in the last couple of days to recover in order to play in this tournament. I have been back home in Monaco, and then I have been trying to recover there with a team of people. I took a couple of days off and I came here yesterday, because I wanted to take time in recovery rather than just going out on the court to prepare for the conditions.”

“I think I’ve served good enough, and I feel well enough to be competing from the back of the court. That’s what matters actually for this week. I really like playing in Bercy. It’s one of the most entertaining indoor tournaments, and people are coming in numbers here to watch matches. I like playing it. It’s the last big 1000 tournament and obviously the best players in the world are playing here. And I want to compete, and that’s the reason I came here. It’s obvious that I’m still not at the top of my game, but I’m taking things quite slowly, step by step, knowing that the form will improve each day that I play.”

heya
11-09-2011, 10:27 PM
on Sky Sports, federer said he won so much that he didn't pay attention to
how great tournaments basel and milan were. then, he claimed he wanted to play perfectly again.
what a pity.
prepare for stitches in your rear end, federina tutu.:devil:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-09-2011, 10:31 PM
*sighs*

heya
11-10-2011, 01:01 AM
no one beats federer 5 times in a season. only roddick butchers federer.

Mountaindewslave
11-10-2011, 02:42 AM
...says Nadaltard:haha:

Ok, your man don't play this week, give us a break, your stupidity this year is worth ACC title, together with little boy Sapeod.;)

my stupidity? I never applauded Nadal for his injury problems or the times in which he may have used injury as an excuse. Nadal makes mistakes too. but never to this extent. Djokovic in August, in Davis Cup, and recently against Nishikori, used the same excuse for his loss!! yet plays great tennis in and around these matches.

anyone with common sense can see that if it quacks then it is a duck, and if it makes up bogus excuses, it is a Djokovic. or even a Nadal in some cases. whatever, the point is it's not ok to fake these things

Nole fan
11-10-2011, 03:45 AM
my stupidity? I never applauded Nadal for his injury problems or the times in which he may have used injury as an excuse. Nadal makes mistakes too. but never to this extent. Djokovic in August, in Davis Cup, and recently against Nishikori, used the same excuse for his loss!! yet plays great tennis in and around these matches.

anyone with common sense can see that if it quacks then it is a duck, and if it makes up bogus excuses, it is a Djokovic. or even a Nadal in some cases. whatever, the point is it's not ok to fake these things

How do you know it's a fake? please enlighten me as apparently you know what it feels to be inside Djoko's body. :rolleyes:

cutesteve22
11-10-2011, 04:00 AM
whatever, his 2011 season is still not the best season in atp history even if he stopped playing after USO.

Shinoj
11-10-2011, 04:45 AM
Novak Djokovic on press interview today:

“There are a lot of stories around,” he said after the match of the ‘will he / won’t he’ situation. “It’s normal when you are one of the top players that you get some attention, and things that you do on and off the court are being watched. I don’t want to say if it’s fair or not fair. Everybody has the right to –and freedom to –say what they want and everybody has a right to their own opinion. But I came here because I’m a professional tennis player and I want to compete. That’s about all it is.”

“My back (which kept him off court for six weeks this autumn) wasn’t in any kind of injury state, it was only the shoulder that was a little bit troubling me in Basel, and I took the necessary measures in the last couple of days to recover in order to play in this tournament. I have been back home in Monaco, and then I have been trying to recover there with a team of people. I took a couple of days off and I came here yesterday, because I wanted to take time in recovery rather than just going out on the court to prepare for the conditions.”

“I think I’ve served good enough, and I feel well enough to be competing from the back of the court. That’s what matters actually for this week. I really like playing in Bercy. It’s one of the most entertaining indoor tournaments, and people are coming in numbers here to watch matches. I like playing it. It’s the last big 1000 tournament and obviously the best players in the world are playing here. And I want to compete, and that’s the reason I came here. It’s obvious that I’m still not at the top of my game, but I’m taking things quite slowly, step by step, knowing that the form will improve each day that I play.”

He got injured in Basel. Rested it for couple of days. Then thought that he could play. Moreover there must be a rule to forbid him from skipping more than 1 masters. Isnt it? So he is playing in Bercy. There is no rocket science.

If he was so money hungry he would have played at Asian Swing and Shanghai.

liverpoolshivank
11-10-2011, 07:28 AM
I don't think he will skip London. :shrug:

sicko
11-10-2011, 08:16 AM
Nole should start using service techniques that are a bit more gentle on the shoulders.

Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kpelRORbGk#t=0m07s

MaxPower
11-10-2011, 10:18 AM
His season is far from spotless. 4 losses? 5 losses? does it matter? no. One thing is he was on an epic streak or something. Now he'd better get some confidence before 2012 starts with failure

Nole fan
11-10-2011, 11:03 AM
Nole should start using service techniques that are a bit more gentle on the shoulders.

Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kpelRORbGk#t=0m07s

Easier said than done.
Todd Martin came to the rescue initially to change his serve because he was hurting his shoulder with it and hence changing his serving motion to accomodate his shoulder which turned the serve to shit. :shrug:

At this moment in time he cannot risk to change anything at all. Look at the catastrophe that happened in 2010.

Shinoj
11-11-2011, 09:55 AM
Sadly the predictions came true. It was not required at all for him to participate.

Nole fan
11-11-2011, 11:31 AM
He should have skipped Basel and Paris and prepare well for WTF, the only tournament that matters at all. Well at least he withdrew.

habibko
11-11-2011, 11:38 AM
his season is obviously not spotless, Federer made sure it has a big fat dark spot in RG

if he withdrew he will miss a chance to improve his career-defining season's credentials and with WTF missing his season would not compare to Federer's best seasons any longer

it just goes to show how tough it is to get close to what the greatest has achieved, let alone repeat it for many years

Shinoj
11-11-2011, 11:44 AM
It shows how tough it is these days to compete in ATP at a highest level. You just cannot compete at your peak level all the time. You have to be choosy.

Like Federer who missed the Asian swing, like Murray and Nadal who skipped respectively.


And Last of All, You have to shut yourself out from the Media. Media spread the air that Novak withdraws a lot etc and Novak acted naive by playing to it.

Mae
11-11-2011, 12:27 PM
Nole is going to IMHO have a hard enough time defending the points he has already won this year. I don't think he needs any more points to defend.

Nole fan
11-11-2011, 01:35 PM
Nole is going to IMHO have a hard enough time defending the points he has already won this year. I don't think he needs any more points to defend.

Yeah, that too, Mae. :lol:
Good for him I say.

Egreen
11-11-2011, 05:32 PM
his season is obviously not spotless, Federer made sure it has a big fat dark spot in RG

if he withdrew he will miss a chance to improve his career-defining season's credentials and with WTF missing his season would not compare to Federer's best seasons any longer

it just goes to show how tough it is to get close to what the greatest has achieved, let alone repeat it for many years

This.

xdrewitdajx
11-11-2011, 06:00 PM
Nole is going to IMHO have a hard enough time defending the points he has already won this year. I don't think he needs any more points to defend.

understanding the ranking system fail

Roger the Dodger
11-11-2011, 06:05 PM
What is happening with Novak makes me respect Roger even more. 4 straight seasons with handful of losses and no burnouts.

Would be funny if Novak skipped WTF. Really then, as Habibko put it, there need be no further comparison with Roger's 2006.

Vida
11-11-2011, 06:49 PM
to feds credit, he always handled schedule well. novak, this season made huge improvement in that area, but still not on feds level.

stewietennis
11-11-2011, 10:00 PM
Nole burned out after winning so much early this season. It puts into perspective Federer's peak years of winning so much without flaming out at the tail end of the season.

Nole fan
11-11-2011, 10:09 PM
We still don't know how he'll fare in WTF. Could shock you all and win the damn thing. :D

MatchFederer
11-11-2011, 10:14 PM
understanding the ranking system fail

Yeah...


Crickey.

MatchFederer
11-11-2011, 10:15 PM
We still don't know how he'll fare in WTF. Could shock you all and win the damn thing. :D

That wouldn't be a shock, at all. He's got a while now to rest up and be ready, though he can't really be listed as the favourite for the tournament.

Nole fan
11-11-2011, 10:17 PM
That wouldn't be a shock, at all. He's got a while now to rest up and be ready, though he can't really be listed as the favourite for the tournament.

He wans't favorite for Wimbledon either. :p

MatchFederer
11-11-2011, 10:19 PM
He wans't favorite for Wimbledon either. :p

It will not be a shock if Djokovic wins WTF.

Nole fan
11-11-2011, 10:21 PM
It will not be a shock if Djokovic wins WTF.

Of course it won't.

stewietennis
11-11-2011, 10:27 PM
Can Djokovic retire from a WTF round robin match then play another one the next day?

SchalkenFan
11-11-2011, 10:32 PM
Nole burned out after winning so much early this season. It puts into perspective Federer's peak years of winning so much without flaming out at the tail end of the season.

He failed to make the Finals in his last 2 events (SF & QF)so he burned out???? I think people are downplaying his year, and what will undoubtably go down in the history books! He made the finals in 11/12 events and has been in the semifinals of 14 of his 15 events...it's not like he is having random 1st/2rd losses.

BigJohn
11-25-2011, 11:17 PM
So should he have pull the plug on his spotless season and don't risk any more defeats?

Poirot123
11-25-2011, 11:32 PM
So should he have pull the plug on his spotless season and don't risk any more defeats?

No. I think Djokovic should've played on as he did. Yes he lost two more matches, making this season less spectacular, but fair play to the lad. Competition at WTF is tough. And it is obvious ever since the US open final when Rafa almost broke Djokovic physically during the 3rd set there, he hasn't been the same since. (I note another poster puts it down to Del Potro in the Davis Cup, but I think Djokovic was already hurting by then).

If Djokovic wants to compete at the same level next year, and start to challenge Federer's legacy, then he needs to start finding ways to win easy, like Federer, as it takes less toll on his body. But at the same time, you have to say, given the slowness of the US Open this year, I don't think Federer had the physicallity to beat Nadal on that surface, and I think destroying your body was the only way you could actually beat Rafa on that surface, given Rafa was prepared to destroy his body as well (which is a given as he is a warrior of the highest rank). So Djokovic kind of sacrificed the post US Open season after that effort. Hopefully next year it'll be quicker there. But then pigs might fly too.

atennisfan
11-26-2011, 12:27 AM
We still don't know how he'll fare in WTF. Could shock you all and win the damn thing. :D

Nole is shocking us all, allright!

:worship:
:rolls:

Sunset of Age
11-26-2011, 12:33 AM
This discussion actually rather reminds me of certain Fed fans (tards?) hoping for Roger to lose his semifinal match at RG this year.

Even funnier in hindsight.

mickymouse
11-26-2011, 03:24 AM
You mean stop playing after his US Open win so that he ends the year on a high?

Shinoj
11-26-2011, 11:44 AM
I think what happened with Djokovic this season was just a matter of drive. After the US Open he would have in some way rationalized that he had the best season ever and it cannot go any better than this. And accordingly he approached every tournament. In some way he rationalized he didn't need to prove anymore this season and also being Number 1 he has the obligation to be on the court come what his physical condition suggests. That is the explanation of the Nishikori Loss in Basel.

Again, In Paris Master he thought of the same Obligation that being Number 1 and after having a phenomenal 2011 he has to set an example for everybody by stepping on the court in Paris, obviously its an imaginary example, as nobody was thinking on those lines. The most logical thing to do was, All right my shoulder doesn't look good, just pull out.But he was in a way affected by the adulation given to him by the fans and acted accordingly.

Much could be read in the last statement where he said he could have empathized by what was Nadal going through after citing exhaustion. Where in reality both of them had ample amount of time after the US Open and physical exhaustion could not have been the reason. At the end of the season maybe in some time he would realize that stepping on the court he just has to be the best player he can and there is no other way, there is no other reason to step on the court than to win the match and no other factors should decide that. And if he does that then he could have a consistently longer period than this season where he plays his best.