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Madrid Blue Clay Discussion Thread (Player Reactions, possible boycotts, pro/cons etc

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shotgun
04-21-2009, 06:01 PM
http://www.elperiodico.com/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=46&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=601355&idseccio_PK=1011

Pistas de tierra azul

Con lo que no han tragado los jugadores ha sido con la propuesta de la organización de jugar sobre una mezcla de tierra batida de color azul, pese a que Santana reitera que tiene idénticas características al tradicional polvo de ladrillo. Feliciano López y Albert Costa, capitán del equipo español de la Copa Davis, la probaron en Barcelona, pero no acabó de convencerles. "No ha cuajado, pero no se descarta para el futuro. No se trata más que de de un cambio de color y eso no significa nada para los jugadores. El azul encaja bastante bien en Madrid y además es el color de nuestro patrocinador principal. Fue una idea de Tiriac y creo que lo acabaremos sacando. Cuando los jugadores vean que es exactamente igual que la roja no habrá ningún problema", insiste Santana. Por eso una de las pistas exteriores será de tierra azul para que los tenistas puedan probarla y comprueben el impacto que produce.

Basically Tiriac worked on the development of a clay surface of blue color, because it's the main sponsor's color. The characteristics are identical to the red clay ones, but Feli Lopez and Albert Costa tested it in Barcelona and didn't approve it.

Manolo Santana says one of the outside courts this year will be made of blue clay so other players could test it, and Santana thinks it will end up being put up next year for all the courts.

It's a different idea, I'll give Tiriac that. :D

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 06:04 PM
Hahahahaha, what a crook this Tiriac is. He makes politicians look honest.

This is the guy who said RR was good for the game, and Ion there is already a blue clay events it's allegedly Miami or Indian Wells, depending on what year Nadal wins.

Yes, it's different, then again jumping off a bridge without a parachute is different.

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2009, 06:07 PM
There have been many tournaments on blue clay already. Nothing new.

finishingmove
04-21-2009, 06:09 PM
wta>atp

Clay Death
04-21-2009, 06:10 PM
Tiriac the ultimate crook and a thief. it also describes his game from what i read recently.

he makes Gilbert looks like a pope.

Lee
04-21-2009, 06:11 PM
If the clay is similar to the traditonal red clay, even it may be slightly different, I have no problem with it.

Hard courts have different kind of speed and colour, so why not clay. :shrug:

fast_clay
04-21-2009, 06:14 PM
i want to see ion tiriac and don king have a punch up...

MalwareDie
04-21-2009, 06:16 PM
It's an excellent idea, no? Blue clay is better than red clay, no?

Bazooka
04-21-2009, 06:17 PM
Now if they just used faster clay, that would be fun.

And while they're at it, as they're suplying us with a tennis facility in Madrid to enjoy all year, make a clay that doesn't get all your clothes dirty forever. I hate that.

finishingmove
04-21-2009, 06:18 PM
red is a vibrant color.

blue would decrease the performance level of the players.

i'm against it.

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2009, 06:20 PM
They could paint grass purple too. That would be a step in Tiriac's direction.

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 06:20 PM
if it were for Tiriac, he'll have another slam at Dubai and will paint Wimbledon's grass with the sponsors colors :banghead:

blue clay sounds so weird these days :shrug:

Nichele Hull
04-21-2009, 06:20 PM
If it was the speed of the green clay on the wta then I cannot see Mugdal winning it :D

Ivanatis
04-21-2009, 06:25 PM
next year? it's already gonna be blue clay this year once Federer loses and sheds tears

sorry, couldn't resist:o

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 06:26 PM
It's so funny Santana is the puppet and Tiriac the puppet master.

Voo de Mar
04-21-2009, 06:27 PM
I'd like to see white indoor surface with black lines and balls :drool: Maybe Masters 2023 :confused:

finishingmove
04-21-2009, 06:30 PM
I'd like to see white indoor surface with black lines and balls :drool: Maybe Masters 2023 :confused:

yes, and the box where the ball lands will glow briefly.

finishingmove
04-21-2009, 06:32 PM
roland garros 2015 :

a brave challenger walks the path of molten rocks to set up a clash with defending champion rafael nadal.

Pfloyd
04-21-2009, 06:39 PM
I have nothing against it, it's not like he's changing the ranking system or the name of the Master Series like Mr. Disney, so why not?

pica_pica
04-21-2009, 06:44 PM
Great...can we have purple grass next?
A wheat field can be fine too.
What about a transparent hard court?

Lee
04-21-2009, 06:48 PM
Great...can we have purple grass next?

There is purplish grass (more purple than green, IMO), just not sure how it lasts on a tennis court. :p

What about a transparent hard court?

That'll be fantastic ;)

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 06:49 PM
Now if they just used faster clay, that would be fun.

And while they're at it, as they're suplying us with a tennis facility in Madrid to enjoy all year, make a clay that doesn't get all your clothes dirty forever. I hate that.

Go play on hardcourts.

alfonsojose
04-21-2009, 06:51 PM
Feliciano and Verdasco playing on pink clay :hearts: :lol:

pica_pica
04-21-2009, 06:53 PM
There is purplish grass (more purple than green, IMO), just not sure how it lasts on a tennis court. :p



That'll be fantastic ;)
Yeah why not.....if they are trying different colors for clay and hard courts, they can try different plantations rather than the boring green grass :lol:

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 06:54 PM
Yes, like you'd trust someone that looked like this.

http://lealidellafarfalla.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ion-tiriac.jpg

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 06:56 PM
he looks like and old-school east-Europe mafia mogul :lol:

Lee
04-21-2009, 06:58 PM
We shouldn't judge people by their looks, should we? :angel:

Although his track record is really reliable.

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 06:59 PM
http://www.indy.com/photos/210730/post.jpg

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 07:00 PM
We shouldn't judge people by their looks, should we? :angel:

Although his track record is really reliable.

Yes, as reliable as North Korean statistics.

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 07:01 PM
don Tiriac :rocker2:

MalwareDie
04-21-2009, 07:02 PM
Playing on oil would be revolutionary, no?

Lee
04-21-2009, 07:02 PM
Yes, as reliable as North Korean statistics.

That's what I mean :devil:

Serenidad
04-21-2009, 07:06 PM
We'll be playing on glass and water next.

Har-Tru
04-21-2009, 07:09 PM
he looks like and old-school east-Europe mafia mogul :lol:

which is exactly what he is

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 07:11 PM
oh yeah, Manolo has to deal with his bullshit all the time, I hope he's just doing it for the money and isn't threatened by the guy :unsure:

Har-Tru
04-21-2009, 07:13 PM
oh yeah, Manolo has to deal with his bullshit all the time, I hope he's just doing it for the money and isn't threatened by the guy :unsure:

now let's be honest, as much as I love Santana (see my avatar) he's never been the brightest of guys.

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 07:14 PM
:lol: true, he's the tournament director in name, but Tiriac is the one running the show and making decisions ;)

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 07:16 PM
now let's be honest, as much as I love Santana (see my avatar) he's never been the brightest of guys.

Manolo is a stooge, he would be the third member of the 3 stooges with Tomas Roncero and Relano.

Nichele Hull
04-21-2009, 07:20 PM
Next it will be yellow clay then black clay and purple. What next in tennis,the U.S. open becoming slower than the Austrailian?

Har-Tru
04-21-2009, 07:26 PM
Manolo is a stooge, he would be the third member of the 3 stooges with Tomas Roncero and Relano.

:lol: didn't know you knew so much about spanish crappy journalism.

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 07:30 PM
:lol:

"Ziddaaaaneeee, Déeecimaaaaaaa. Raúuuuul.... gloriiaaaaaaa blannnncaaaaa" :haha:

Roncero = MadridTard Extraordinaire :o

thankfully, Butragueño is now commenting the Furia Matches instead of Relaño, is he still delusional about the "Barça conspiracy"? :lol:

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 07:36 PM
:lol: didn't know you knew so much about spanish crappy journalism.

Well it fits in this case.

timafi
04-21-2009, 08:28 PM
what color "clay" is this idiot smoking?:rolleyes:

ChinoRios4Ever
04-21-2009, 08:36 PM
:haha:

PiggyGotRoasted
04-21-2009, 08:42 PM
AELTC - "Wimbledon was changed from grass to green clay in 2002"

BaselineSmash
04-21-2009, 09:11 PM
This will come a year too late for Djokovic. With that blue outfit of his, he'd be pretty hard to wrong-foot on a blue claycourt; you wouldn't be able to see him half the time with that camouflage on. He'll be on to a new set of the 'Falcon' range by 2010, so still no chance to take out Nadal on the dirt.

Bazooka
04-21-2009, 09:49 PM
Go play on hardcourts.

That's what I do :(

Last time I played on dirt I made the mistake of using new shoes. I need a sponsor!

Har-Tru
04-21-2009, 09:52 PM
That's what I do :(

Last time I played on dirt I made the mistake of using new shoes. I need a sponsor!

Have a clay outfit.

And you call yourself Spanish? ;)

Bazooka
04-21-2009, 09:53 PM
AELTC - "Wimbledon was changed from grass to green clay in 2002"

Not this shit again.

I thought that had happened in 2006, then in 2008 it was slowed further?

Bazooka
04-21-2009, 09:55 PM
Have a clay outfit.

And you call yourself Spanish? ;)

Not many clay courts in Madrid, or should I say affordable ones. Plus I get spanked in clay, I prefer the court as fast as it can get, thanks!!!!!

MalwareDie
04-21-2009, 10:29 PM
Not this shit again.

I thought that had happened in 2006, then in 2008 it was slowed further?

It happened in 2001. And has been getting slower every year because of larger tennis balls and/or firmer soil. The change wasn't too bad at first.

schorsch
04-22-2009, 12:39 AM
Well the ball would be more visible for us guys who watch on tv, so at least this would be an improvement :lol:

moon language
04-22-2009, 01:47 AM
Well the ball would be more visible for us guys who watch on tv, so at least this would be an improvement :lol:

Just make the balls blue to contrast with the red clay then. Plus blue balls has a nice ring to it doesn't it?

ToniTennis
04-22-2009, 10:35 AM
:haha: Can't believe that my avatar has finally come true.
Yes! I was Tiriac all the time;)

Seriously, though, I know he acts and looks like a crook or a mafia Don, but this change seems pretty much harmless unless anybody proves he has a hidden agenda. Yes, it would feel akward at first, but it'd also put a distinctive note in the Master.:wavey:

Merton
04-22-2009, 11:17 AM
I hope it is a crappy surface and the whole thing blows into Tiriac's face.

Action Jackson
05-05-2009, 11:56 AM
I wonder if the crook is going to use the model girls?

Then again it might be a problem, cause those chicks might get dirty clothes.

Action Jackson
05-17-2009, 08:34 PM
http://www.pr-inside.com/tiriac-still-wants-blue-clay-for-r1259266.htm

Tiriac still wants blue clay for Madrid Open

MADRID (AP) - Sooner or later, the Madrid Open will be played on blue clay despite the objections of top players Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer.

Blue courts have been a talking point at this week's mixed event but the majority of players are hesitant to endorse the surface, which covered one of the practice courts.

Tournament promoter Ion Tiriac believes that tennis must innovate if it wants to compete against sports like football and Formula One.

"We try something new every year," Tiriac said Sunday. "The ATP has nothing in the rules that does not say I cannot play in any color I want... that's the future of the game.

Both Nadal and Federer have said they don't like the idea.
"I am against it, I am totally against it," Nadal has said. "I think the clay season is one of the most historic aspects of the world of tennis and the clay court is red and that's the color. It's not blue and I think that's just show business.

Tiriac accepted Nadal and Federer's position, but did not agree with it.
"Nadal is a huge champion. He's an unbelievable asset not just for Spain but for sports in general. But after Nadal are going to come the others," Tiriac said. "But an event like this is not made for two players. I hope they are going to wake up, the ATP and everybody. Tournament director Manolo Santana was optimistic that the two sides could reach an agreement.
"The dialogue between the players and us is key," the former Wimbledon champion said. "We can't say no, no, no but ... we can't stop doing what we think is good for tennis.

Santana said that the new "Magic Box" had overcome the teething problems that come with any new venue. The tennis center, which features a 12,500-capacity center court and retractable roof, is part of Madrid's 2016 Olympics bid.

Andy Roddick said some changes were needed but that overall he was impressed.

"The stadium is obviously pretty impressive and there are some things you should change such as the sun definitely reflects off of the metal stands, the practice courts should be watered down every once in a while," the sixth-ranked American player said. "But I think it's only going to get better.
He was also one of the few who welcomed the idea of a change of surface color. Kind of.

"I don't care what color it is. If it will make it feel more like a hard court at least," Roddick said.

Action Jackson
05-17-2009, 09:05 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/feedarticle/8512027

Tiriac vows to iron out Madrid teething troubles

MADRID, May 17 (Reuters) - The Madrid Open needs a couple of years to iron out some of the teething troubles that have affected the new combined men's and women's claycourt event this week, according to promoter Ion Tiriac.

Players including Rafael Nadal and Andy Roddick have complained about problems including the poor state of the practice courts, sun reflecting off the metal seating and a lack of space in the dressing rooms.

"It's my fault the courts are not perfect. I hope next year the courts are going to be perfect," Tiriac said at a news conference on Sunday.

"There was also a big discussion about dressing rooms. Up to a certain point they are right. My fault again," he added.

"Give me two years and we'll discuss once again. Definitely whatever is wrong just throw it back to me."

The event in the Spanish capital combines a men's ATP tour Masters Series with one of the WTA's four premier mandatory tournaments.

Up until this year the men would play at the Hamburg Masters this week before heading to the French Open but the event has been downgraded and moved to July.

Tiriac pointed to Saturday's dramatic semi-final between Nadal and Novak Djokovic, the longest three-set match in a Masters Series event, as evidence of the Madrid Open's success.

"I am more than 50 years in tennis and I haven't seen a match on clay like the one yesterday," he said. "It was an unbelievably high quality match."

Action Jackson
05-17-2009, 09:06 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gstII6Q0qTQ0N2BLcrsuG-AUWtDg

Tiriac still wants blue clay for Madrid Open


MADRID — Sooner or later, the Madrid Open will be played on blue clay despite the objections of top players Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer.

Blue courts have been a talking point at this week's mixed event but the majority of players are hesitant to endorse the surface, which covered one of the practice courts.

Tournament promoter Ion Tiriac believes that tennis must innovate if it wants to compete against sports like football and Formula One.

"We try something new every year," Tiriac said Sunday. "The ATP has nothing in the rules that does not say I cannot play in any colour I want... that's the future of the game."

Both Nadal and Federer have said they don't like the idea.

"I am against it, I am totally against it," Nadal has said. "I think the clay season is one of the most historic aspects of the world of tennis and the clay court is red and that's the colour. It's not blue and I think that's just show business."

Tiriac accepted Nadal and Federer's position, but did not agree with it.

"Nadal is a huge champion. He's an unbelievable asset not just for Spain but for sports in general. But after Nadal are going to come the others," Tiriac said. "But an event like this is not made for two players. I hope they are going to wake up, the ATP and everybody."

Tournament director Manolo Santana was optimistic that the two sides could reach an agreement.

"The dialogue between the players and us is key," the former Wimbledon champion said. "We can't say no, no, no but ... we can't stop doing what we think is good for tennis."

Santana said that the new "Magic Box" had overcome the teething problems that come with any new venue. The tennis centre, which features a 12,500-capacity centre court and retractable roof, is part of Madrid's 2016 Olympics bid.

Andy Roddick said some changes were needed but that overall he was impressed.

"The stadium is obviously pretty impressive and there are some things you should change such as the sun definitely reflects off of the metal stands, the practice courts should be watered down every once in a while," the sixth-ranked American player said. "But I think it's only going to get better."

He was also one of the few who welcomed the idea of a change of surface colour. Kind of.

"I don't care what colour it is. If it will make it feel more like a hard court at least," Roddick said.

finishingmove
05-17-2009, 09:12 PM
everyone learns from their mistakes.

though, i don't like the blue clay idea.

GlennMirnyi
05-17-2009, 09:13 PM
Penn and Teller should do an episode of their "bullshit" series featuring Tiriac. Perfect subject.

Best match on clay in 50 years? :lol: What an idiot.

Action Jackson
05-17-2009, 09:16 PM
Well he knew the event was coming there ages ago, it's not like he would have used union construction force to get the work done.

alfonsojose
05-17-2009, 09:17 PM
Penn and Teller should do an episode of their "bullshit" series featuring Tiriac. Perfect subject.

Best match on clay in 50 years? :lol: What an idiot.

Half of MTF thinks the same :o :help:

finishingmove
05-17-2009, 09:18 PM
you're right, arantxa sanchez is a bit of a fuckup, but they can lay a better surface for next year, at least.

the sweet talking is expected.

Action Jackson
05-17-2009, 09:20 PM
Tiriac did have the licence for Kitzi for 20 years, so it's not like he wouldn't know how long it takes for a claycourt to be laid before the event. At the same time, bit hard to lay down the court, when the construction is still going on.

Viña del Mar is famous for the bad bounces and shit court surface, they lay them down 6 weeks before the event, but even they have improved.

GlennMirnyi
05-17-2009, 09:25 PM
Half of MTF thinks the same :o :help:

When 98% of MTF's members have an IQ so low that opening a bottle is a hard job, you can't expect otherwise.

out_here_grindin
05-17-2009, 09:29 PM
Knowing Nadal, he's so OCD that blue clay will probably screw him up so much he wont even enter the tournament.

El Legenda
05-17-2009, 09:32 PM
Whats wrong with blue...

http://www.astroturfusa.com/resources/images/HPFields/Boise.jpg

Action Jackson
05-17-2009, 09:39 PM
Considering Tiriac only wants to change to the blue clay to benefit the tournament sponsor, whose colour happens to be blue. In other words the promoter (Tiriac) would get more money out of it, so it's more cash for him, how many more billions does he need.

Ilovetheblues_86
05-17-2009, 10:10 PM
I love the blues.

Jōris
05-17-2009, 10:13 PM
Considering Tiriac only wants to change to the blue clay to benefit the tournament sponsor, whose colour happens to be blue. In other words the promoter (Tiriac) would get more money out of it, so it's more cash for him, how many more billions does he need.

Are you proposing a limit on wealth accumulation?

BaselineSmash
05-17-2009, 10:22 PM
I wonder if Hilary Swank got on the phone to her agent after seeing Tiriac give that speech today. He's just got corruption written all over him, but in a strangely endearing way.

Too bad Public Enemies is already in the can, he could have had a supporting role as a senior gangster.

Mint Chip
05-17-2009, 10:26 PM
Green clay like on the WTA so Nadal again won't win the tourney :D

cocrcici
05-17-2009, 10:26 PM
I love blue clay,with proper shade.

bobbynorwich
05-17-2009, 10:26 PM
Tiriac's http://www.murraysworld.com/forum/Smileys/default/poo.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);). Maybe there's a wizard in the Magic Box who can make him disappear: Poof, buh bye Ion.

Mint Chip
05-17-2009, 10:28 PM
That semi wasn't even that good esp. with all those UE's that Nadull was hitting.Blue is a good idea when played on a hard court

Ilovetheblues_86
05-17-2009, 10:34 PM
http://mob192.photobucket.com/albums/z289/hetutz/cry_bloo.gif
Nobody likes bloo?

fast_clay
05-17-2009, 10:48 PM
sh!t trophy... f***ing cheese platter... i spose fed could drill a hole in it and bling it up with one of his silver necklaces...

they call these sheilds right...? so... when is one of the TMS's gonna get serious and rip out a proper 15kg medieval sheild...? something you can't frisbee out of the stadium when you get your hands on it... sh!t effort madrid... find a bathtub, you still stink tiriac...

GlennMirnyi
05-17-2009, 10:56 PM
sh!t trophy... f***ing cheese platter... i spose fed could drill a hole in it and bling it up with one of his silver necklaces...

they call these sheilds right...? so... when is one of the TMS's gonna get serious and rip out a proper 15kg medieval sheild...? something you can't frisbee out of the stadium when you get your hands on it... sh!t effort madrid... find a bathtub, you still stink tiriac...

And Rome could give a 20kg Roman tower shield just like the legionnaires used.

That's a great idea for the Europeans.

Ububub
05-18-2009, 01:17 AM
What's wrong with Blue Clay? They've been playing on Green Clay in SW19 since '02.

Couldn't they have rehearsed that mess of a trophy ceremony ahead of time and worked out some kind of coherent format?

FlavorNuts
05-18-2009, 01:44 AM
Vamos Tiriac.

Arkulari
05-18-2009, 03:31 AM
and our fave mafioso have turned 70! :D

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20071105elpepiult_1/LCO340/Ies/Ion_Tiriac.jpg

http://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundodeporte/imagenes/2007/10/16/1192527762_0.jpg

congrats don Tiriac, you have F**cked up yet another venue, Manolo Santana's clay was AWFUL :eek:

Forehander
05-18-2009, 04:41 AM
To be honest I really don't think there's anything wrong. Red clay still exist as the main one. Atleast give it a try. Sometimes we need to leave our historic roots to come out with an innovative idea. For the future players they'll find to like it.

CmonAussie
05-18-2009, 05:02 AM
sh!t trophy... f***ing cheese platter... i spose fed could drill a hole in it and bling it up with one of his silver necklaces...

they call these sheilds right...? so... when is one of the TMS's gonna get serious and rip out a proper 15kg medieval sheild...? something you can't frisbee out of the stadium when you get your hands on it... sh!t effort madrid... find a bathtub, you still stink tiriac...


:devil:
Yeah that has to be the lamest trophy I`ve ever seen:eek:
...Tiriac wants Madrid to be the 5th Slam & the best he can come up with is a shit piece of flat aluminium:o

Even much smaller tourneys have nice trophies- Beijing, Sydney, Halle>> etc.;)

JolánGagó
05-18-2009, 05:49 AM
Tiriac stole all the precious metal supposed to go to the trophy to make fake teeth for his 33 children

Mimi
05-18-2009, 06:01 AM
i am an oddie too, i don't like this new blue clay, seems strange :mad:

shotgun
05-18-2009, 02:00 PM
I don't like Tiriac, but he has made some good contributions to tennis. I'm not sure if Wimbledon and Roland Garros would have worked on center court roofs and floodlights if it weren't for his pressure. He also invests a lot of money on his tournaments, which gives tennis fans some benefits. Of course he has some idiotic ideas (being one of the minds behind the round robin fiasco for example), but in the end tennis needs a guy like him. It's like the English Premier League, it's what it is now thanks in good part to dodgy money from the Russian mafia and Arab oil sheiks.

fast_clay
05-18-2009, 02:59 PM
I don't like Tiriac, but he has made some good contributions to tennis. I'm not sure if Wimbledon and Roland Garros would have worked on center court roofs and floodlights if it weren't for his pressure. He also invests a lot of money on his tournaments, which gives tennis fans some benefits. Of course he has some idiotic ideas (being one of the minds behind the round robin fiasco for example), but in the end tennis needs a guy like him. It's like the English Premier League, it's what it is now thanks in good part to dodgy money from the Russian mafia and Arab oil sheiks.

you only have to look at the guy's style to see that he doesn't have a problem with the perception a percentage of the public may have of him... the glasses, the suit... the handlebar moustache... dude wouldn't look out of place unloading a couple of magazines of lead on a poor unsuspecting dog straight after being courtside while watching a €5K bet come unstuck over 5 sets... wasn't he that guy in The Snatch who played The Bucharesti Bandit...?

Merton
05-18-2009, 03:39 PM
I don't like Tiriac, but he has made some good contributions to tennis. I'm not sure if Wimbledon and Roland Garros would have worked on center court roofs and floodlights if it weren't for his pressure. He also invests a lot of money on his tournaments, which gives tennis fans some benefits. Of course he has some idiotic ideas (being one of the minds behind the round robin fiasco for example), but in the end tennis needs a guy like him. It's like the English Premier League, it's what it is now thanks in good part to dodgy money from the Russian mafia and Arab oil sheiks.

I very much disagree there, the issue is a misallocation of resources that sure gives benefits in the short run but what is the long run impact? Madrid ends up with a useless tennis facility after its Olympic bid fails, the TMS there flops once Nadal retires and the Spaniards have a drought of top level players, then Tiriac moves on to build the next big thing in, say, Belgrade. Recall that he moved to Spain from Germany after Becker and Graff were gone.

It just seems to me it is a story of cronyism and corruption, pure and simple. Tiriac pockets the upside, the Spaniard tax payers provide the money and will end up with a wonderful facility that might end up useless. Not a pretty story by any means.

Merton
05-18-2009, 03:47 PM
As for "ironing teething troubles" it might take some time, I recall an interruption in play fro the MAdrid indoors event due to a leak in the irrigation system :tape:

No need to comment on the blue clay non-sense, before we discuss on how to split the increased revenues from the main sponsor who will get additional exposure we need a credible certification that the paintdoes not affect the surface. No, Safin's opinion is not suitable for this purpose.

fast_clay
05-18-2009, 03:50 PM
indeed, imo, it is a tragedy that the Hamburg facility is not in use at that level any more... it was very easy on the eye and had great functionality... the roof was the real deal... was perhaps my pick of the TMS's, stadium alone... just a bit baltic, was all...

shotgun
05-18-2009, 03:57 PM
I very much disagree there, the issue is a misallocation of resources that sure gives benefits in the short run but what is the long run impact? Madrid ends up with a useless tennis facility after its Olympic bid fails, the TMS there flops once Nadal retires and the Spaniards have a drought of top level players, then Tiriac moves on to build the next big thing in, say, Belgrade. Recall that he moved to Spain from Germany after Becker and Graff were gone.

It just seems to me it is a story of cronyism and corruption, pure and simple. Tiriac pockets the upside, the Spaniard tax payers provide the money and will end up with a wonderful facility that might end up useless. Not a pretty story by any means.

Spaniards have been a force in tennis for decades now, not sure if I see their level dropping and tennis consequently losing popularity there any time soon. I think this tournament has more future than Monte Carlo for example. Plus I wouldn't say it's a short term investment. Would you consider 10 years to be short term in tennis? How many ATP tournaments that existed 10 years ago have become defunct since then? A lot.

Of course I don't agree with misallocation of government money - and it especially doesn't make much sense to invest in sports arenas in Madrid while the Spanish economy is shrinking -, but if the Madrid government agreed, Tiriac is not the one to be blamed. He's a private agent that tries to maximize his profits.

Action Jackson
05-18-2009, 04:05 PM
Spaniards have been a force in tennis for decades now, not sure if I see their level dropping and tennis consequently losing popularity there any time soon. I think this tournament has more future than Monte Carlo for example. Plus I wouldn't say it's a short term investment. Would you consider 10 years to be short term in tennis? How many ATP tournaments that existed 10 years ago have become defunct since then? A lot.

Of course I don't agree with misallocation of government money - and it especially doesn't make much sense to invest in sports arenas in Madrid while the Spanish economy is shrinking -, but if the Madrid government agreed, Tiriac is not the one to be blamed. He's a private agent that tries to maximize his profits.

Cycles change, the Swedes, the Aussies and Germans were big forces in tennis and aren't at the moment. Monte Carlo being the base for the ATP in Europe will always have a future.

Well it's meant to be a multi purpose venue and not just a sporting facility. Considering Tiriac used to be on the IOC, it's not like he isn't used to corruption and using certain connections to get ahead and yes, he will flee to the next place once he milked everything dry from this venture.

Action Jackson
05-02-2010, 10:14 AM
Wonder what is happening with this stupid stunt.

Merton
05-02-2010, 10:58 AM
I guess it didn't work, otherwise we would have heard by now.

Frooty_Bazooty
05-02-2010, 11:11 AM
he makes Gilbert looks like a pope.

Uh, I dont think that comparison works anymore :help:

Certinfy
05-02-2010, 11:13 AM
good idea

Action Jackson
05-02-2010, 11:44 AM
Uh, I dont think that comparison works anymore :help:

Tiriac is still worse.

Action Jackson
05-02-2010, 11:45 AM
Lets see what the Don has got planned this time around.

Forehander
05-02-2010, 02:26 PM
Who cares about the colour of the surface. Just play.

Pirata.
05-02-2010, 04:52 PM
"I don't care what color it is. If it will make it feel more like a hard court at least," Roddick said.

Roddick :haha:

Filo V.
05-02-2010, 05:39 PM
Obviously this is a ridiculous idea but it's hard for me to hold any hard feelings towards the man simply because of his having such a magnificent mustache.

brent-o
05-02-2010, 06:03 PM
Hahahahaha, what a crook this Tiriac is. He makes politicians look honest.

This is the guy who said RR was good for the game, and Ion there is already a blue clay events it's allegedly Miami or Indian Wells, depending on what year Nadal wins.

Yes, it's different, then again jumping off a bridge without a parachute is different.

:worship: lol Well put!

M4RC
05-02-2010, 07:05 PM
I don't think this moron has the balls to do it. I really hope he does because he would embarrass himself even more and Nadal would have more than enough reasons to not play there. He doesn't want to play there with its actual conditions so if its turned into blue clay he won't play there by any means (and that's what he should do).

s_j
05-02-2010, 08:14 PM
For example...

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07ET1pA7MueV0/610x.jpg

http://newballs.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/blue-clay.jpg

Filo V.
05-02-2010, 08:18 PM
Looks terrible.

out_here_grindin
05-02-2010, 08:19 PM
Awesome

M4RC
05-02-2010, 08:35 PM
Awesome

Awesome shit, and I was there to prove it. It looks awful, plays awful and the visibility is really awful (both the ball and the marks). It is really really weird. Would you like Queen's Club to be red or Augusta, for example?

Clay = red. Period. Maybe the clayGOAT has something to say about the subject.

FNnVEJ6n-hk

acionescu
05-02-2010, 08:45 PM
You are deluded if you think he hasn't the balls to do it :lol:

I read in As or Marca a few weeks ago an interview of him and he sayd that he intends to submit the idea to ATP next year again and that he doesn't think that ATP has the right to say No and even if they say it he'll go to court :cuckoo:
The moron wants the clay GS in Madrid and he'll stop at nothing. And the RG hurry to built a new, bigger, better venue can now be seen in a new light

http://www.as.com/tenis/articulo/tenis-nadal-madrid-seguiria-siendo/dasclm/20100327dasdaiten_1/Tes

I only found this link, I have to look the one when he said that he doesn't think that ATP has the right to said NO to his blue clay...

ossie
05-02-2010, 09:26 PM
don tiriac always cracks me up :haha:

M4RC
05-02-2010, 09:40 PM
You are deluded if you think he hasn't the balls to do it :lol:

I read in As or Marca a few weeks ago an interview of him and he sayd that he intends to submit the idea to ATP next year again and that he doesn't think that ATP has the right to say No and even if they say it he'll go to court :cuckoo:
The moron wants the clay GS in Madrid and he'll stop at nothing. And the RG hurry to built a new, bigger, better venue can now be seen in a new light

http://www.as.com/tenis/articulo/tenis-nadal-madrid-seguiria-siendo/dasclm/20100327dasdaiten_1/Tes

I only found this link, I have to look the one when he said that he doesn't think that ATP has the right to said NO to his blue clay...

I now he has the balls, it was just an expression. He is a prick, completely.

martinatreue
05-02-2010, 10:34 PM
That is really ugly... Please please please keep it red.

CyBorg
05-02-2010, 10:39 PM
Why did the players say 'no' to the surface? Is it the colour? Is it the feel of the surface?

Assuming that the only difference is 'colour' (all other variables the same) then all of this feels like a dumb distraction.

Action Jackson
05-02-2010, 11:16 PM
Why did the players say 'no' to the surface? Is it the colour? Is it the feel of the surface?

Assuming that the only difference is 'colour' (all other variables the same) then all of this feels like a dumb distraction.

It didn't play the same and M4RC described other problems with it. Anything Don Tiriac touches has something questionable about it.

CyBorg
05-02-2010, 11:20 PM
It didn't play the same and M4RC described other problems with it. Anything Don Tiriac touches has something questionable about it.

Seems like a bad idea either way. Madrid is played a week+ before RG, so virtually no player wants to fuck around on some shit experimental surface.

Tiriac is like a little child obsessed with colours. "Oooh, blue - so pretty."

Action Jackson
05-02-2010, 11:27 PM
They are changing the dates next year and Madrid is going to be earlier in the year, so Don might get his way again.

CyBorg
05-02-2010, 11:32 PM
They are changing the dates next year and Madrid is going to be earlier in the year, so Don might get his way again.

Was there an article on this? Rome gets to go later then?

This doesn't smell good to me.

Action Jackson
05-02-2010, 11:40 PM
Rome is going to be the last of the TMS events before clay.

CyBorg
05-02-2010, 11:41 PM
I wonder how much Tiriac paid the Italians to swallow that load.

KarlyM
05-03-2010, 12:39 AM
Blue clay looks so unnatural. :ras:

I'm waiting for Tiriac to take over a grass tournament and change it to blue grass. :lol:

Certinfy
05-03-2010, 12:42 AM
i want yellow clay!

Topspin Forehand
05-03-2010, 12:44 AM
I think they should go for black clay.

Action Jackson
05-03-2010, 12:44 AM
I wonder how much Tiriac paid the Italians to swallow that load.

Everybody has their price for the "Million Dollar Man".

Arkulari
05-03-2010, 02:46 AM
Rome as final clay MS, wow :retard:

anyone can stop this guy? he's doing whatever he wants with the ATP, next thing you know Madrid will be a 5th Slam (2000 points) or something like that ugh

Topspin Forehand
05-03-2010, 02:55 AM
Rome as final clay MS, wow :retard:

anyone can stop this guy? he's doing whatever he wants with the ATP, next thing you know Madrid will be a 5th Slam (2000 points) or something like that ugh
Much better than Madrid being the Final Clay MS before RG. But it's ridiculous that Hamburg got downgraded for this freak show.

Filo V.
05-03-2010, 04:51 AM
Much better than Madrid being the Final Clay MS before RG. But it's ridiculous that Hamburg got downgraded for this freak show.

Money talks.

@Sweet Cleopatra
05-03-2010, 05:05 AM
wow looks so good. http://smiles.mmuz.com/data/22/36_7_81.gif

acionescu
05-03-2010, 08:40 AM
He says that blue is better for TV :retard: and blue is the colour of the main sponsor and even accused Nadal last year that he doesn't want blue clay because he is sponsorised by Mapfre - the main competition of Mutua Madrilena - whose colour is red :cuckoo:

Forehander
05-03-2010, 11:43 AM
I think they should go for black clay.

lol I agree with this! :D

Certinfy
05-03-2010, 11:51 AM
How about a multicoloured court?

JolánGagó
05-03-2010, 12:33 PM
clay GS to Barcelona! :rocker2:

Priam
05-03-2010, 12:37 PM
Madrid is before Rome next year??

Merton
05-03-2010, 01:25 PM
Interesting thing about switching the dates between Rome and Madrid. I wonder if it was Tiriac that paid or the Spanish tax payers.

If blue clay happens, the ATP might just as well shut down and apply for a Circus license. That would even give Circuses some bad publicity.

M4RC
05-03-2010, 02:08 PM
clay GS to Barcelona! :rocker2:

Not a GS, but Barcelona would make and incredible M1000 in Palau Sant Jordi. They should destroy this Clown Madrid M1000 from the surface of the planet.

JolánGagó
05-03-2010, 02:12 PM
Not a GS, but Barcelona would make and incredible M1000 in Palau Sant Jordi. They should destroy this Clown Madrid M1000 from the surface of the planet.

too true :worship:

let's send Madrid M1000 and Tiriac to the bottom of some methane lake in Ganimedes.

Action Jackson
05-03-2010, 02:13 PM
Madrid is before Rome next year??

Yes.

Getta
05-03-2010, 02:21 PM
ATP 2011 calendar (http://tennisjp.cocolog-nifty.com/tennis/files/atp_world_tour.pdf) on second page.

Acer
05-03-2010, 02:24 PM
Ermm, I love Madrid.

ossie
05-03-2010, 03:33 PM
don tiriac strikes again, madrid to be played before rome in 2011

Certinfy
05-03-2010, 06:02 PM
Madrid and Rome on consecutive weeks? Ewwww...

Arkulari
05-03-2010, 07:31 PM
Not a GS, but Barcelona would make and incredible M1000 in Palau Sant Jordi. They should destroy this Clown Madrid M1000 from the surface of the planet.

too true :worship:

let's send Madrid M1000 and Tiriac to the bottom of some methane lake in Ganimedes.

completely true :worship:

jonathancrane
05-03-2010, 07:35 PM
completely true :worship:

Madrid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barcelona ;)

Nacho
05-03-2010, 08:07 PM
wtf? the new calendar for 2011 is a joke :help:

Casablanca/Warsaw/Houston
Montecarlo
Barcelona
Estoril/Belgrade/Munich
Madrid
Rome
Nice/Dusseldorf
French Open

I can understand Madrid and Rome swapping places, but Estoril NEEDS to be placed between both masters

Topspin Forehand
05-03-2010, 08:11 PM
I don't understand why don't allow another week for the clay season. Move Monte-Carlo back a week, Barcelona back a week, and Madrid back a week. They must really hate the clay season.

Forehander
05-03-2010, 10:27 PM
I personally think it's not such a bad idea after seeing the pictures. Looks rather good and the players will adapt to it anyway and it should attract quite alot of spectators. Also the younger generation players will like it too I believe. For now though if it is truly to be implemented, they should put a blue clay tournament as the upfront tournament before any original clay tournaments.

Action Jackson
05-04-2010, 12:23 AM
If the majority of players that played on actually liked it, then it would more chance of success.

This Forehander must be a Tiriac fanboy.

Forehander
05-04-2010, 08:44 AM
If the majority of players that played on actually liked it, then it would more chance of success.

This Forehander must be a Tiriac fanboy.

By no means am I a Tiriac fanboy. I know he's done things that has led to the disliking of many tennis players and dedicated fans. But I'm just saying that blue clay isn't such a horrible idea... Afterall, it is a playable surface that players can adapt to.

Action Jackson
05-04-2010, 09:25 AM
By no means am I a Tiriac fanboy. I know he's done things that has led to the disliking of many tennis players and dedicated fans. But I'm just saying that blue clay isn't such a horrible idea... Afterall, it is a playable surface that players can adapt to.

As for being playable, well synthetic grass is a playable surface though there are reasons to why it hasn't been implemented on the main tour.

Topspin Forehand
05-04-2010, 05:05 PM
I really think we need to have Pink Grass.

Action Jackson
04-09-2011, 05:06 PM
Good to see the Don failed here.

abraxas21
04-09-2011, 06:14 PM
he'll keep trying, though

Action Jackson
04-09-2011, 06:20 PM
He'll die trying.

Sunset of Age
04-09-2011, 06:26 PM
Uhm, blue clay, in combination with these (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10921952&postcount=46)... :inlove:

:worship:

jonathancrane
04-09-2011, 06:26 PM
2 week event, blue clay and also round robin format for next year

swisht4u
04-09-2011, 06:28 PM
Titiac has the money, if he wants blue clay then make it blue clay.
I like the idea, besides it's only a color.

Certinfy
04-09-2011, 06:36 PM
Someone shove that new trophy down his fucking ass! Thanks.

Action Jackson
04-09-2011, 06:37 PM
Titiac has the money, if he wants blue clay then make it blue clay.
I like the idea, besides it's only a color.

Did you support RR as well cause Tiriac had the money and wanted it. The courts are shit, players hated it, but hey he got the money he can be a prick.

swisht4u
04-09-2011, 06:45 PM
Did you support RR as well cause Tiriac had the money and wanted it. The courts are shit, players hated it, but hey he got the money he can be a prick.

RR only for the WTF.
I want the game structure to stay the same, better to compare players thru ERA's.

In RR at the WTF I would like 5 sets for the semis and finals.

Sombrerero loco
11-08-2011, 11:04 AM
http://www.marca.com/2011/11/08/tenis/masters_1000/1320748728.html

tiriac got it finally ;)

krystlel
11-08-2011, 11:10 AM
Horrible

Action Jackson
11-08-2011, 11:12 AM
This is the joker that wanted Round Robin, then again they had yellow clay in Kazakhstan. This gimmick will last one season.

Sunset of Age
11-08-2011, 11:13 AM
Should be reason enough for the players to boycott it.

leng jai
11-08-2011, 11:17 AM
They day we get rainbow clay is when tennis peaks.

Sombrerero loco
11-08-2011, 11:19 AM
Should be reason enough for the players to boycott it.

the players said its OK after the us open this year as it says in the article

Certinfy
11-08-2011, 11:19 AM
Good.

MIMIC
11-08-2011, 11:20 AM
no hablo espanol

solowyn
11-08-2011, 11:20 AM
:lol: he's a persistent one.

acionescu
11-08-2011, 11:21 AM
:stupid:

alter ego
11-08-2011, 11:22 AM
This is the joker that wanted Round Robin,

Besides that Ţiriac also wants smaller draws for big tournaments less money for the lower rank players more for the top players. An oh yeah, all the tournaments to be ATP & WTA events. :armed:

Aenea
11-08-2011, 11:24 AM
I don't care. It's a horrible tournament anyway, ugly trophy and awful looking courts and stands. I don't watch it.

Sunset of Age
11-08-2011, 11:25 AM
the players said its OK after the us open this year as it says in the article

Sure... I guessed they realized that there's nothing going to stop Don Tiriac after all of the :stupid: stunts he already pulled before and got away with (see above posts for examples).

That guy should really have stayed in a dark wood in Transylvania. :o

Action Jackson
11-08-2011, 11:27 AM
Besides that Ţiriac also wants smaller draws for big tournaments less money for the lower rank players more for the top players. An oh yeah, all the tournaments to be ATP & WTA events. :armed:

Yes, I remember one of my Romanian friends telling me about the world according to Don Tiriac. He wants to have a Slam.

I still remember his great work in Kitzbühel. This blue clay thing won't last.

Vilnietė
11-08-2011, 11:29 AM
As all courts were being slowed down it seemed that the only difference between clay, hard and grass will be color. But now we can see that color is also not a problem, all of them can be blue!

jonathancrane
11-08-2011, 11:34 AM
Round robin should be applied on this tournament too. And some elephants and clowns during the changeovers interacting with the ballgirls.

DanaKz
11-08-2011, 11:35 AM
:facepalm: What next? Playing tennis with bats?

Deivid23
11-08-2011, 11:46 AM
Tiriac got what he wanted (more money) as many people will tune in just to see how it looks. I´ve seen trainings on that blue clay and looks ok, have yet to see how it looks on TV, though. All in all, I think it´s a good marketing idea

nole_no1
11-08-2011, 11:49 AM
We already have blue clay in Miami

Deivid23
11-08-2011, 11:51 AM
I don't care. It's a horrible tournament anyway, ugly trophy and awful looking courts and stands. I don't watch it.

You will watch it next year.

jrm
11-08-2011, 11:51 AM
What kind of blue? Some are nightmare for TV viewers!

Sombrerero loco
11-08-2011, 11:54 AM
the same blue as the practice court we had last year =)

Deivid23
11-08-2011, 11:55 AM
This gimmick will last one season.

Don´t think it will last one season. It will be good enough to give a higher revenue for more than 1 season

Aenea
11-08-2011, 11:57 AM
You will watch it next year.

I for sure won't. I am not that childish to tune in just to see some new clay color. It is too small of a challenge. But if Tciriac turns Madrid Masters into a circus as jonathancrane has proposed then I might :D

Art(e)mio
11-08-2011, 12:06 PM
Good to see but almost all the courts nowadays went on blue :tape:
Blue clay is exactly the same as Green clay, which are different from Red Clay.

Action Jackson
11-08-2011, 12:07 PM
Don´t think it will last one season. It will be good enough to give a higher revenue for more than 1 season

The Tiriac Open just does stuff to be different, it depends on whether there are enough complaints about it from the players. That's what bought down his other clownish ideas, if not then it will stick around.

Sceptical until proven otherwise.

Johnny Groove
11-08-2011, 12:38 PM
Let's hope Rafa skips this and plays Barcelona instead

Someone has got to put Tiriac in his place

Rafa has so much pression in Spain to play both Barcelona and Madrid.

Not to mention the fact that Don Tiriac has a lot of power in the tennis world.

I would love to see him skip this event in protest, and many other top players do the same, but I doubt it. Too much money and politics involved.

If Tiriac had his way, he'd move the French Open to Bucharest and play it on Romanian flag colored clay.

Action Jackson
11-08-2011, 12:45 PM
The only Romanians that like Don Tiriac are his family or people he has bribed.

Nadal won't skip it.

emotion
11-08-2011, 12:46 PM
Evidently doesn't really play different... just looks different.

BodyServe
11-08-2011, 12:53 PM
the players said its OK after the us open this year as it says in the article

Of course they had a good preview of blue clay at the usopen :lol:

Sham Kay
11-08-2011, 01:03 PM
I see no advantages or disadvantages to this change. There looks to be nothing gained or lost. I cannot swing my opinion in a positive or negative direction. Neutral for the game.

ZaZoo)
11-08-2011, 01:21 PM
:stupid:

Plz demote Madrid and bring back Hamburg.

!VamosRafa!
11-08-2011, 01:30 PM
Madrid doing everything they can to stop Rafa from winning it, how predictable :rolleyes:
They have no respect for their athletes.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-08-2011, 01:35 PM
:facepalm: :facepalm: its bad enough they went to clay, REALLY YO REALLY:o:o:o

MrExcel
11-08-2011, 08:03 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/photos/data/500/Blue_Clay_2_.jpg

http://www.menstennisforums.com/photos/data/500/blue-clay.jpg

http://www.menstennisforums.com/photos/data/500/Blue_Clay_1_.jpg

Super Djoker
11-08-2011, 08:12 PM
Isent blue Clay virtually a hard court?

Roadmap
11-08-2011, 08:15 PM
Isent blue Clay virtually a hard court?

:D

motorhead
11-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Round robin should be applied on this tournament too. And some elephants and clowns during the changeovers interacting with the ballgirls.

ahah

EddceLLent
11-08-2011, 08:41 PM
LOL Smurf Masters FTW.

I'm hoping that clay tennis tournaments become like lightsabers, each one has a different colour :)

DrJules
11-08-2011, 08:46 PM
The players (Nadal, Murray, Roddick etc) complain about too much tennis. Maybe they should all decide to take the week off based on it effecting their eyesight.

Sonja1989
11-08-2011, 08:47 PM
Well.. I'm looking forward to see it, then say opinion after the first day. It shouldn't be that bad, we'll see. :)

I don't care. It's a horrible tournament anyway, ugly trophy and awful looking courts and stands. I don't watch it.

:rolls: :hug:

Sham Kay
11-08-2011, 08:50 PM
I personally enjoy the look. Plus the guys won't look like they shat themselves after a fall.

guga2120
11-08-2011, 08:53 PM
That ridiculous court is already bad enough. Its not even a real clay court. Now its going to be blue. It is such a joke that tournament is a master series, and has the same amount of points as Monte Carlo and Rome.

Bercy is like Wimbledon compared to that tournament. No question the worst master series.

Sombrerero loco
11-08-2011, 08:59 PM
are you kidding right??monte carlo is way worse, lots of top 10 players skip it...

Chase Visa
11-08-2011, 09:22 PM
are you kidding right??monte carlo is way worse, lots of top 10 players skip it...

Only because they won't get penalised for doing so....

That tournament's probably the best warmup for RG.

Anyway, that Blue Clay shit looks fucking ugly, and it's a farce on tennis. This is Spain, not America.

Caralimon
11-08-2011, 09:23 PM
I can't believe my eyes, MTF is complaining.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-08-2011, 09:29 PM
never given a flying fuck about that event so :lol:

v-money
11-08-2011, 09:30 PM
What's the big deal, it just a different color, right? Should still play similar and the blue court and yellow ball are more contrasting colors (than orange and yellow), so it may actually be easier to see the ball on the low quality streams most of us are watching.

Pirata.
11-08-2011, 09:56 PM
I'm with v-money, what's the big deal if it still plays the same way as the red clay? Better color change than more surface homogenization :shrug:

Sapeod
11-08-2011, 10:00 PM
Looks quite interesting imo. I've never seen a blue claycourt before. I'm looking forward to seeing how it played. Hopefully, it's fast. Fast clay will actually be quite amusing and interesting imo.

All we need now is a green claycourt and perhaps a purple one :D

DrJules
11-08-2011, 10:06 PM
Looks quite interesting imo. I've never seen a blue claycourt before. I'm looking forward to seeing how it played. Hopefully, it's fast. Fast clay will actually be quite amusing and interesting imo.

All we need now is a green claycourt and perhaps a purple one :D

Har Tru courts in the US cover that base.

Chris Kuerten
11-08-2011, 10:21 PM
I don't care as long as it plays the same as red clay.

Sham Kay
11-08-2011, 10:26 PM
I'm eating a beef trifle. I like it.

Ibracadabra
11-08-2011, 10:53 PM
Picture? original link doesn't work

Action Jackson
11-08-2011, 11:00 PM
What's the big deal, it just a different color, right? Should still play similar and the blue court and yellow ball are more contrasting colors (than orange and yellow), so it may actually be easier to see the ball on the low quality streams most of us are watching.

They had yellow clay in the Kazakh challengers, see how long that lasted as a surface.

TennisOnWood
11-09-2011, 12:01 AM
Har Tru courts in the US cover that base.

He is 16 :D

Pirata.
11-09-2011, 12:14 AM
They had yellow clay in the Kazakh challengers, see how long that lasted as a surface.

Should've changed to blue balls :lol:

Action Jackson
11-09-2011, 12:15 AM
Should've changed to blue balls :lol:

The surface was shit, therefore scrapped.

MuzzahLovah
11-09-2011, 12:23 AM
Why does the color of the clay matter?

kafkavert
11-09-2011, 12:41 AM
:stupid:

Plz demote Madrid and bring back Hamburg.

For God's sake, i wish i had 1M to bring Hamburg back!

abraxas21
11-09-2011, 01:11 AM
if it plays the same as orange clay, i dont mind

madrid is already a clown event anyhow.

KoOlMaNsEaN
11-09-2011, 01:30 AM
I don't like CHANGE :sobbing:

kafkavert
11-09-2011, 01:47 AM
I don't like CHANGE :sobbing:

Change for help pushers is always a disgrace.

Pushers already have plenty of slow courts around the world.

out_here_grindin
11-09-2011, 01:52 AM
should be classic

Matt01
11-09-2011, 02:04 AM
I don't like CHANGE :sobbing:


The only constant in life is change so you better get used to it ;)

Bring me the blue clay. After that I can say if it's good or bad. :p

spencercarlos
11-09-2011, 02:24 PM
Nadal had already spoken about this two years ago.

He said he did not liked for a couple of reasons.. which i agree.
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philosophicalarf
11-09-2011, 02:32 PM
Apparently the blue was playing faster/higher than the red (and madrid is pretty quick to start with).

spencercarlos
11-09-2011, 03:15 PM
Apparently the blue was playing faster/higher than the red (and madrid is pretty quick to start with).
Well in the video it was mentioned that Soderling tested it and some said that the marks were left by the ball were not as clear as the red clay.

Nadal mentioned that clay courts are meant to be red by tradition, and that there was no room for Showbusiness in tennis history.

PS. Funny note that Soderling´s name being mentioned as one of the testers at the time, just after he had been spanked by Nadal in Rome and just weeks before he beat Nadal at Roland Garros.

LoveFifteen
11-09-2011, 03:23 PM
Nadal just tweeted:

I read about the blue courts in Madrid! It's a pity for the history and tradition of this surface ... I hope I don't have to play on blue grass one day. ;)

Sunset of Age
11-09-2011, 04:11 PM
Nadal mentioned that clay courts are meant to be red by tradition, and that there was no room for Showbusiness in tennis history.

Nadal just tweeted:

I read about the blue courts in Madrid! It's a pity for the history and tradition of this surface ... I hope I don't have to play on blue grass one day. ;)

Rafa!!! :yeah: :worship:

philosophicalarf
11-09-2011, 04:16 PM
Honestly, who cares? It's a new event, not one with any tradition to break.

The greater tradition of red clay perhaps? Well, that's changed plenty too. For example, Monte Carlo, with its long history, completely changed the type of clay they use in the middle of last decade to a more modern setup. Where were the complaints there? Oh, it "looks" the same, so doesn't matter.

Surfaces evolve - all hard courts have moved to greater cushioning for example.


Now if Roland Garros decided to move to screaming pink clay with luminous yellow go-faster stripes, then sure, that's a problem.

SVK
11-09-2011, 04:17 PM
Apparently the blue was playing faster/higher than the red (and madrid is pretty quick to start with).

For real? I honestly can´t imagine even faster clay than the one Madrid had this year. The official surface should be blue grass in this case.

philosophicalarf
11-09-2011, 04:20 PM
For real? I honestly can´t imagine even faster clay than the one Madrid had this year. The official surface would be blue grass in this case.

Yeah. Easily fiddled to whatever speed they want though - more clay on top, fiddle the underlayers, change the grain size, whatever.

Art(e)mio
11-09-2011, 08:22 PM
Why guys??? It's something new and fresh. Tennis is moving ahead so must the courts. Anyway, blue clay will be the same as green clay ;)

freeandlonely
11-10-2011, 02:35 PM
good, now we need only color to know the speed

Action Jackson
11-10-2011, 02:40 PM
Honestly, who cares? It's a new event, not one with any tradition to break.

The greater tradition of red clay perhaps? Well, that's changed plenty too. For example, Monte Carlo, with its long history, completely changed the type of clay they use in the middle of last decade to a more modern setup. Where were the complaints there? Oh, it "looks" the same, so doesn't matter.

Surfaces evolve - all hard courts have moved to greater cushioning for example.


Now if Roland Garros decided to move to screaming pink clay with luminous yellow go-faster stripes, then sure, that's a problem.

Monte Carlo was still clay, considering most of the stuff they use for clay court construction is the dust they get brick dust and that's not blue

Blue clay is a joke, but then again look who is behind it. It's an excuse to get more advertising on the court on a clearer background :)

arm
11-10-2011, 03:11 PM
You guys are too afraid of change. :lol: at least give it a chance!
How many of you that are complaining actually know a thing about it?

As for all the complains about the tournament, it's a great one, well organized and players seem to like i. organization wise it's way better than the one going on right now.

Action Jackson
11-10-2011, 03:42 PM
You guys are too afraid of change. :lol: at least give it a chance!
How many of you that are complaining actually know a thing about it?

As for all the complains about the tournament, it's a great one, well organized and players seem to like i. organization wise it's way better than the one going on right now.

How does clay actually benefit the game at all? It doesn't, just cosmetic crap and there is very little change in the areas that need it. Homogenisation of the surface speeds, length of season, better distribution of prize money, not dumbing down the game for casual fans.

If Tiriac is behind something then it's fishy.

Egreen
11-10-2011, 05:49 PM
Blue clay or not, it's still a crappy tournament. Fitting as Tiriac is behind this circus. The trophy:spit: is a joke. Lousy tuneup for RG.

scoobs
11-10-2011, 06:02 PM
I don't much like it, and if they are going to do it, then they need to make sure the lines are more visible cos in that video they look like they're fading out or something.

I'm not really a fan but if we must endure another Tiriac experiment in the name of progress, so be it. Tennis has been around a lot longer than that booger and will be long after he's under the blue clay.

Roger the Dodger
11-10-2011, 06:23 PM
I am very happy we have something different to break the monotony of clay season.

Sombrerero loco
11-10-2011, 07:56 PM
50% of the tickets for the final have been sold already

Arkulari
11-10-2011, 07:57 PM
http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheAW9UIHRPCMLHYW==UGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgIon%20Tiriac2.jpg

Well played Don, well played.

Art(e)mio
11-10-2011, 08:32 PM
Imagine Rolex pushing Monaco to use Green Clay instead of Red ;)

guichard
11-11-2011, 03:25 AM
Original article http://www.europapress.es/deportes/tenis-00166/noticia-tenis-madrid-santana-ve-fenomenal-pista-azul-siempre-hemos-estado-vanguardia-20111110185813.html


Google translation

The extension Manolo Santana, director of the Mutua Madrid Open, is convinced that the blue clay court, which is the surface area of ​​the tournament in its next edition, will ultimately be accepted by all players and believes it is a step in an event that is always "ahead".

"It's a fact that next year we will play in the blue track. We have always been at the forefront of what comes out. The evolution of tennis has been incredible from the wooden racket, came the tie-break ', the eye of hawk. We believe that the visibility of the television is better than the earth is blue, "he said during his appearance on a panel at the Santiago Bernabeu presentation that I served as Master in Management MBA Sports and Entertainment Law at the University Europea de Madrid.

In fact, he downplayed the first criticism of Rafa Nadal, world number two. "The surface is equal and the track will be patented. ATP and WTA are in agreement. It will not please everyone, but we will do everything to make it colorful. Rafa can have your opinion and I respect it, but we must do what is best for the tournament.'s going to be phenomenal, "he concluded.

Sunset of Age
11-11-2011, 04:06 AM
^^ that google translation is as :hysteric: as the event itself.

Tiriac, Santana - have you applied for Helfant's position at the ATP yet? :bowdown: :silly:

paseo
11-11-2011, 05:58 AM
Should have made it yellow.

ogre
11-11-2011, 08:10 AM
Nadal just tweeted:

I read about the blue courts in Madrid! It's a pity for the history and tradition of this surface ... I hope I don't have to play on blue grass one day. ;)

Careful.... I think Kentucky will go for that one!

As for the blue clay, it probably will not matter....with those ball girls I assume half the crowd do not even notice the tennis anyway.

http://www.google.com/search?q=madrid+ball+girls&

guichard
11-11-2011, 12:40 PM
The ATP has given its blessing for Ion Tiriac's blue clay courts for next year only. The situation in Madrid will be reviewed after that
https://twitter.com/#!/NeilHarmanTimes/status/134972184287395840

Luinir
11-11-2011, 01:14 PM
ATP is Tiriac's toy.

Sombrerero loco
11-11-2011, 02:59 PM
that they will be reviewed doesnt mean that on 2013 they wont play on blue clay again...

jonathancrane
11-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Official presentation of the blue clay. Moya approves :facepalm:

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20111129elpepudep_9/XXLCO/Ies/Tierra_azul_Caja_Magica.jpg

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/azul/discordia/elpepudep/20111129elpepudep_7/Tes