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Rogi Fed in TMS Madrid!

Billabong
10-12-2004, 04:34 AM
Here's our TMS Madrid thread:D!
What are your thoughts about Madrid, infos, etc:)? Do you think Rogi will win his first indoors TMS:D in Madrid?

GOOOO ROGI:woohoo:!!!

lilianspring
10-12-2004, 06:52 AM
oh,a little early to discuss this from now on.
LOL
And yeah,I believe he will do well in Madrid.
Many good players will participate in this tournament,that will be not easy to win this one,but if Rogi plays good tennis,let's see who can stop him to get that title.lol
And I heard Nadal get the first wild card.I must admit I want Rogi to defeat him in Madrid because of his losing to him in Miami.LOL.

makro120
10-12-2004, 09:58 AM
The challenge will be Paris, Madrid he will win. But he seems to have problems with double TMS and now he has Basel between them aswell.

mitalidas
10-12-2004, 10:03 AM
rogi was sick in Miami :(
so Nadal surely got helped by that

mitalidas
10-12-2004, 10:59 AM
The challenge will be Paris, Madrid he will win. But he seems to have problems with double TMS and now he has Basel between them aswell.

well, when you're always winning the final in one, it tires you out for the one that starts 3 days later :)

Fergie
10-12-2004, 01:15 PM
Good luck Rogi, you can win this :hug:

lilianspring
10-12-2004, 02:32 PM
rogi was sick in Miami :(
so Nadal surely got helped by that

Yeah,I know that. :)
But I just want to see him beat Nadal.
Maybe I am a little strange,I always hope to see him playing with those who ever defeat him. :p And this year the number of those players is not big.So the match between them is one I most like to see.LOL :cool:

RonE
10-12-2004, 03:24 PM
C'mon Rogi! You've got a score to settle with Ferrero from last year :banana:

RogiFan88
10-12-2004, 04:02 PM
Nadal said that if Rogi hadn't been sick, he would not have beaten him in Miami... I like the fact that Rafa is honest and doesn't think he's better than Rogi just cos he beat him that day [unlike some other less modest players].

Vamos, ROGI!!!!

mitalidas
10-12-2004, 05:03 PM
But I just want to see him beat Nadal.
Maybe I am a little strange,I always hope to see him playing with those who ever defeat him. :cool:
if he can beat Coria on clay, chances are very high that Nadal will experience a bad day playing Roger on clay. Also, the USO highlighted the bagelling of Nadal by roddick (or near bagelling) , showing that maybe Nadal is Nada ! ;) (zero = Nada for those who dont know)

Yoda
10-12-2004, 05:13 PM
Yeah,I know that. :)
But I just want to see him beat Nadal.
Maybe I am a little strange,I always hope to see him playing with those who ever defeat him. :p And this year the number of those players is not big.So the match between them is one I most like to see.LOL :cool:

Yeah me too. I would like the Fed to have winning against as many players as possible.

So I hope he meets people like Hewitt, Henman, Nalbandian, Nadal, Berdych, Hrabaty, etc

Adam Thirnis
10-12-2004, 05:26 PM
Roger will win in Madrid and Basel, and then bomb out early in Paris to allow time to prepare for TMC.

Rogiman
10-12-2004, 06:27 PM
I said it once and I'll say it again:

Roger should not appear in Paris in the first place!
He has nothing to do there, except for tire himself before the TMC showdown, and if he plans to lose early (which I sure he doesn't) he should pull out and not let another nobody the pleasure of defeating him.

He's already secured year end #1, he's somehow comitted to Basel, something has to give.

Fedex
10-13-2004, 02:03 AM
Yeah me too. I would like the Fed to have winning against as many players as possible.

So I hope he meets people like Hewitt, Henman, Nalbandian, Nadal, Berdych, Hrabaty, etc
I hope he plays Berdych again. I'd like to see what Rogi would do to him, when he's on his game. :)

Billabong
10-13-2004, 05:07 AM
I agree with Fedex:)! It would be nice;)!

Daniel
10-13-2004, 10:35 AM
I hope he plkays Hrbaty again and bagels him :devil:

Vamos Rogi :banana:

WyveN
10-13-2004, 03:43 PM
I said it once and I'll say it again:

Roger should not appear in Paris in the first place!
He has nothing to do there, except for tire himself before the TMC showdown, and if he plans to lose early (which I sure he doesn't) he should pull out and not let another nobody the pleasure of defeating him.


If Roger wins both Madrid and Basel then he should consider withdrawing from Paris to save some energy if he is exausted but withdrawing out of a TMS simply due to fear of losing doesn't make any sense, 1 extra loss isn't going to make any difference.

Rogiman
10-13-2004, 03:56 PM
You are misinterpreting me! :mad:

What I say is that coming into a tournament as exausted as he entered Cincinnati is pointless, and tat instead of playing for the formality and losing early he should retire in the first place!

Beside, next year we're going for Miami and Cincinnati to complete the american swing! :devil:

lsy
10-13-2004, 05:16 PM
I don't think you'll know how exhausted you are till you're on court playing ;)

I honestly don't care if Rogi plays or not here, or paris. If he needs more rest, more time with mirka on beach or with juliette and baby, by all means. I only wish he will defend TMC, that's all.

But if he's playing, then....

GOOOO.....Fed!!! ;)

Canuck_Chick
10-13-2004, 09:21 PM
Good luck Roger!!! :dance:
Hope he clears his first few rounds. After that he gets more consistent.

Yoda
10-13-2004, 10:30 PM
I hope he plays for my own selfish reasons of watching more Ninja missions :devil:

Fedex
10-13-2004, 11:10 PM
I hope he plays Hrbaty again and bagels him :devil:

Vamos Rogi :banana:
:lol: :haha: That would be nice. He almost did it at Cincy, then lost. :( I'm still suprised he lost that match, after being so good in the 1st set.

Billabong
10-14-2004, 01:10 AM
we'll see:yeah:!

WyveN
10-14-2004, 03:16 AM
A lot of other top players are in doubt or withdrawing so a good chance for Roger here.

lunahielo
10-14-2004, 09:51 AM
Wyven wrote~
A lot of other top players are in doubt or withdrawing so a good chance for Roger here.
I don't think Roger worries much about the other top players. :) :)
I think he'll take it no matter who he plays.
(Just my 3¢)~

Daniel
10-14-2004, 11:46 AM
I read on GM, Roddick and Kiefer are out, but no one knows if Rogi is playing there or not.

anyways, Good luck Roger :D

mitalidas
10-14-2004, 01:09 PM
apparently hewitt is also out, and andre is in (after declining to play for Davis Cup) . Moya is also out

RogiFan88
10-14-2004, 03:29 PM
Vamos, ROGI!!!!

RogiFan88
10-14-2004, 03:31 PM
So far acc to Spanish papers, Moya, Coria, Grosjean, Kuerten and Santoro are not playing Madrid. Of course AA has already arrived bright and early to prepare to win this tourney...

mitalidas
10-14-2004, 04:16 PM
will be very interesting to see how Rogi's game matches up with andre's on clay if they play each other
andre's return game is much less relevant on clay

mitalidas
10-14-2004, 04:16 PM
Uncanny, in 6 years, these two have only met on Hard

2004 US Open, Hard, Q
NY, U.S.A. Hard Q Federer 6 3 2 6 7 5 3 6 6 3
2004 Indian Wells TMS, Hard, S
California, USA Hard S Federer 4 6 6 3 6 4
2003 Tennis Masters Cup, Hard, F
Houston, TX, USA Hard F Federer 6 3 6 0 6 4
2003 Tennis Masters Cup, Hard, RR
Houston, TX, USA Hard RR Federer 6 7 6 3 7 6
2002 Miami TMS, Hard, F
FL, U.S.A. Hard F Agassi 3 6 3 6 6 3 4 6
2001 US Open, Hard, R16
NY, U.S.A. Hard R16 Agassi 1 6 2 6 4 6
1998 Basel, Hard, R32
Switzerland Hard R32 Agassi 3 6 2 6

Rogiman
10-14-2004, 04:26 PM
Where in the world is Dirk???

Things are not the same without him. :awww:

jtipson
10-14-2004, 04:35 PM
Uncanny, in 6 years, these two have only met on Hard

2004 US Open, Hard, Q
NY, U.S.A. Hard Q Federer 6 3 2 6 7 5 3 6 6 3
2004 Indian Wells TMS, Hard, S
California, USA Hard S Federer 4 6 6 3 6 4
2003 Tennis Masters Cup, Hard, F
Houston, TX, USA Hard F Federer 6 3 6 0 6 4
2003 Tennis Masters Cup, Hard, RR
Houston, TX, USA Hard RR Federer 6 7 6 3 7 6
2002 Miami TMS, Hard, F
FL, U.S.A. Hard F Agassi 3 6 3 6 6 3 4 6
2001 US Open, Hard, R16
NY, U.S.A. Hard R16 Agassi 1 6 2 6 4 6
1998 Basel, Hard, R32
Switzerland Hard R32 Agassi 3 6 2 6

That first one in Basel is indoors. Sometimes Basel is classified as carpet, sometimes as indoor hardcourt. But I'm not sure that result is very relevant since it was six years ago and Roger was only 17.

The court in Madrid is Greenset, btw, a hardcourt, and pretty much the same as they use for the (outdoors) TMC at Houston. Plays very fast. Should suit Roger, but took him a while to get used to it last year.

WyveN
10-15-2004, 09:23 AM
Im pretty certain Andre and Roger wont meet in Madrid.

lilianspring
10-15-2004, 09:54 AM
Then why do you think so?

You mean Agassi would be out before he could meet Rogi or vice versa or you guess both of them will be out before they can face to face.

jtipson
10-15-2004, 01:13 PM
Sorry guys, it's possible Roger may not play in Madrid. If the article below is correct, he told them yesterday he wasn't playing, but they persuaded him to think again. He'll make a decision today.

Bummer for Madrid if he doesn't.

http://www.abc.es/abc/pg041015/prensa/noticias/Deportes/Futbol/200410/15/NAC-DEP-076.asp

MADRID. El Masters Series de Madrid no se merece semejante mazazo. En poco más de 24 horas toda la ilusión de los organizadores, que esperaban poder ofrecer el mejor torneo ATP del año, y de los aficionados, que lo iban a disfrutar, se ha derrumbado.

Alegando lesiones menores y cansancio, pero en realidad reservándose para el Masters que cierra la temporada (todos ellos están clasificados, o casi) se borraron súbitamente, a última hora del miércoles, Roddick (segundo favorito), Hewitt (quinto) y Moyá (cuarto). El estadounidense y el mallorquín, además, buscan no desgastarse para la final de la Davis.

La puntilla la propinó Roger Federer, el número uno del mundo y la gran atracción, cuando ayer intentó unirse a la desbandada general y anunció que tampoco acudiría. La alarma cundió en el Masters Series y, sólo después de múltiples negociaciones, presiones y llamadas lograron los organizadores y la ATP (intervino hasta su Jefe Ejecutivo, Mark Miles) que el suizo reconsiderara temporalmente su decisión para dar una respuesta definitiva esta mañana y a Manolo Santana en persona. En cualquier caso, parece que lo más probable es que hoy insista en la negativa de viajar hasta Madrid.

En cualquier caso, pese a la bajas, el torneo mantendrá un nivel altísimo con Agassi (campeón de 2002), Ferrero (ganador en 2003), Safin y Henman como grandes reclamos. Al margen, las ausencias propiciaron la entrada en el cuadro principal de Albert Costa. Mientras que Alex Corretja recibía la última invitación pendiente.

mitalidas
10-15-2004, 01:15 PM
Sorry, can you please translate any of the key Spanish statements for us?I cant believe this (well, I'm sure its for a good reason) but I wanted him to win another TMS this year :(

jtipson
10-15-2004, 01:31 PM
You could try Babel fish (http://babel.altavista.com/tr); it's not brilliant but gives a reasonable gist of the contents. I cleaned it up but it still sounds a bit strange:

The nail in the coffin was Roger Federer, the number world number one and great attraction, when he tried to join the masses and announced yesterday that he would not go either. The alarm spread in the Masters Series and it was only after multiple negotiations, calls amongst organizers and the ATP (even the CEO Mark Miles) that the Swiss temporarily reconsidered his decision, to give to a definitive answer this morning and to Manolo Santana in person. In any case, it seems he'll most likely insist on not travelling to Madrid.

Sjengster
10-15-2004, 01:33 PM
will be very interesting to see how Rogi's game matches up with andre's on clay if they play each other
andre's return game is much less relevant on clay

It will indeed be interesting, but it will have to wait until next year. Because Madrid is on indoor HARD, not clay. ;)

I too hope Federer doesn't pull out since with such an exodus of top players it leaves the field wide open for Agassi to sweep through, but from a partisan British perspective I am already chuckling at the thought of Henman being top seed at a TMS event. Try to live up to the seeding and win a match here for the first time, eh Tim?

RogiFan88
10-15-2004, 01:52 PM
AA arrived late cos of connection probs w flights and he was v tired AND he lost his luggage... had to make a stop in London...

So far no REAL word on Rogi pulling out cos another Spanish paper said tomorrow they expect Rogi and Juanqui... so we'll see!

Hi Sjengst! Missed ya!! How's the weather in S Eng??

mitalidas
10-15-2004, 01:54 PM
It will indeed be interesting, but it will have to wait until next year. Because Madrid is on indoor HARD, not clay. ;) ?

yeah, yeah, yeah :)
i have been given a hard time about this (at least, not a clay time about this) on another thread.
I explained myself as one of many idiots who says "Madrid, Spain? Well, then it has to be clay "

lsy
10-15-2004, 02:03 PM
yeah, yeah, yeah :)
i have been given a hard time about this (at least, not a clay time about this) on another thread.


:haha: what's the different, to many players...clay time=hard time, hard time=clay time, just the same ;)

Rogi will be too nice if he really doesn't want to go and yet being persuaded to though I personally prefer him to play here than Paris.

Wouldn't it better if Tim can defend his Paris TMS?

Sjengster
10-15-2004, 02:13 PM
AA arrived late cos of connection probs w flights and he was v tired AND he lost his luggage... had to make a stop in London...

So far no REAL word on Rogi pulling out cos another Spanish paper said tomorrow they expect Rogi and Juanqui... so we'll see!

Hi Sjengst! Missed ya!! How's the weather in S Eng??

Is fate trying to send him a message here with all these travel problems? Please Andre, don't go to such trouble on my account. ;)

Hi RF, the weather is... decent at the moment. Very sunny and bright but also chilly. Two days ago it was the modern-day manifestation of Noah's Ark across the South East, and I got caught in it for half an hour. When the wind manages to make it rain horizontally, you know the conditions are bad.

Sjengster
10-15-2004, 02:17 PM
:haha: what's the different, to many players...clay time=hard time, hard time=clay time, just the same ;)

Rogi will be too nice if he really doesn't want to go and yet being persuaded to though I personally prefer him to play here than Paris.

Wouldn't it better if Tim can defend his Paris TMS?

Of the two of them I'd hope Federer could win Paris since I like the event and he's said it has "potential", but this was one of his biggest indoor results from last year and it would be stupid to miss out if he's fit, especially when the field is so weak. I don't see the problem with playing three weeks in a row, bearing in mind that unlike Moya and Roddick he doesn't have a DC final to worry about after Houston (and won't for some time, unless depth improves in the Swiss side).

It would be great if Henman could defend, I don't imagine for a moment he will, but he needs points anywhere he can get them and I'm really worried that he's going to miss out on the TMC for the second time in three years because of another injury (he had the bad shoulder in 2002, now it's his back). Actually, I'm hoping for another Federer-Henman final in Basel after their match three years ago, which would show whether Federer can now beat Henman indoors as well as outdoors, at an event where the conditions seem to suit the older man much better.

WyveN
10-15-2004, 02:23 PM
I can see sense in Roger pulling out of Madrid even though it was a perfect opportunity to win a record 4th TMS title.
Basel is next week isn't it? Roger probably wants to remain in Switzerland and be 100% ready for his home tournament rather then fly around Switzerland -> Madrid -> Switzerland -> Paris

Even if Roger pulls out I dont think Andre will win. This tournament is in Spain, indoors. Don't think he will be able to reproduce the form he showed in USA.

lsy
10-15-2004, 02:28 PM
Of the two of them I'd hope Federer could win Paris since I like the event and he's said it has "potential", but this was one of his biggest indoor results from last year and it would be stupid to miss out if he's fit, especially when the field is so weak.

I only remembered that match of him vs Henman last year, if I'm not wrong, he was booed off court :o Field is weak?


It would be great if Henman could defend, I don't imagine for a moment he will, but he needs points anywhere he can get them and I'm really worried that he's going to miss out on the TMC for the second time in three years because of another injury (he had the bad shoulder in 2002, now it's his back). Actually, I'm hoping for another Federer-Henman final in Basel after their match three years ago, which would show whether Federer can now beat Henman indoors as well as outdoors, at an event where the conditions seem to suit the older man much better.

Quite unlikely for Henman to miss out TMC this year, isnt' it? Why not Federer-Henman in Paris but Basel? And who will you be cheering for if that happens?

lsy
10-15-2004, 02:31 PM
Even if Roger pulls out I dont think Andre will win. This tournament is in Spain, indoors. Don't think he will be able to reproduce the form he showed in USA.

If he can't, perharps the talk of him in that DC final might just quiet down a bit.

WyveN
10-15-2004, 02:36 PM
If he can't, perharps the talk of him in that DC final might just quiet down a bit.

True. Peak Agassi could just about win the tie alone for them but this year Agassi's clay season was more :o :o then Roddicks.

Sjengster
10-15-2004, 02:36 PM
I only remembered that match of him vs Henman last year, if I'm not wrong, he was booed off court :o Field is weak?



Quite unlikely for Henman to miss out TMC this year, isnt' it? Why not Federer-Henman in Paris but Basel? And who will you be cheering for if that happens?

The Parisians unfortunately do not have a great impression of Federer since he hasn't reserved his best for their city - last year they watched him crash out of RG in the first round without much obvious effort, and I'll bet a few of the same fans were there watching him lose to Henman at the TMS event. He did say in his interview that he had to win the first set, once he blew his chances he basically tanked the second. When he got broken once again to go down 5-1, he had a cross-court forehand volley with the court wide open and deliberately slotted it wide, I'm sure, to lose the game.

I meant the Madrid field is weak, although I suppose that's in relative terms - look at the list of seeded players left and there are still some very good matches ahead. It's good for Ferrero more than anyone, now he's seeded higher and has a chance of defending a few more points.

I've said on another board that Henman has managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the past when it's come to the Masters Cup, I hope it doesn't happen this time. This is a good part of the year for him, but he can't rest on his laurels after those great GS results. I thought it a bit more likely that he and Federer would meet in Basel because they'll be fewer top players there and both of them have great records at the event. I suppose I would go for Federer this year since he's already lost one final to Henman (and lost to him another time in Basel, way back in 1999), but if the latter needed the win to get to Houston, I'd be behind him. ;)

Shy
10-15-2004, 02:38 PM
I can see sense for why Roger is pulling out, but for the tournament sake, I hopre not.

lsy
10-15-2004, 02:46 PM
He did say in his interview that he had to win the first set, once he blew his chances he basically tanked the second. When he got broken once again to go down 5-1, he had a cross-court forehand volley with the court wide open and deliberately slotted it wide, I'm sure, to lose the game.

I know, I saw that pathetic second set :ras: Rogi...though I forgave him right after the crowd booed him ;)


I meant the Madrid field is weak, although I suppose that's in relative terms - look at the list of seeded players left and there are still some very good matches ahead. It's good for Ferrero more than anyone, now he's seeded higher and has a chance of defending a few more points.

Ok i thought you meant Paris field will be weak, thought for some reason you already know who's going to pull out there. Certainly will be interesting, I'm looking ahead to enjoy the tournament when I don't have to suffer nervously for Rogi's matches.

Unfortunaly I wouldn't be cheering for Fererro here though, hopefully juanguilover doesn't visit this forum :tape:


I suppose I would go for Federer this year since he's already lost one final to Henman (and lost to him another time in Basel, way back in 1999), but if the latter needed the win to get to Houston, I'd be behind him. ;)

I thought you would definitely go for Henman looking at the year Rogi has had this year...not as partisan as I thought you are then ;)

lsy
10-15-2004, 02:47 PM
True. Peak Agassi could just about win the tie alone for them but this year Agassi's clay season was more :o :o then Roddicks.

Really? Peak Andre can win the peak Ferrero or Moya on clay, for sure, WyveN?

WyveN
10-15-2004, 02:52 PM
Really? Peak Andre can win the peak Ferrero or Moya on clay, for sure, WyveN?

Andre did beat Moya in 1999 at the french open when Moya was defending champion.

Ferrero is certainly the better clay courter though, lets just say young Andre would have a far bigger chance then the team the USA are sending this year ;)

lsy
10-15-2004, 02:59 PM
Ferrero is certainly the better clay courter though, lets just say young Andre would have a far bigger chance then the team the USA are sending this year ;)

Captain Obvious now? ;)

Looks like Rogi is officially out and Henman is no.1 seed :aparty: :aparty:

How about changing this thread to cheering for our other favourites instead? Here's mine :

Gooooo.....David :bounce:
Gooooo.....Pavel :woohoo:
and Gooooo.....Tim....(more for Sjengster's sake though) :yippee:

RonE
10-15-2004, 03:02 PM
I'm waiting for Basel :p

Rogiman
10-15-2004, 04:18 PM
Okay, enough with that Roger! :mad:

I've been waiting long enough for you to play!
:shout:
Listen to me and listen hard, I have no job, I have no place to go, you're not in the mood? you get in the mood!

Now go there and get the fricking title!

yanchr
10-15-2004, 04:55 PM
I've expected to see Roger for long!!! Ok..is there any definite news about Roger's pulling out? It seems like I'll have to wait for another ... 2 weeks acutally :o :mad:

yanchr
10-15-2004, 05:07 PM
Just read the confirmed news in Madrid forum about Roger's pulling out. THanks jtipson.

Roger:mad: why this late:mad: Now that Basel's your only focus, you'll have to WIN it then:mad:

RogiFan88
10-15-2004, 06:22 PM
don't forget Rogi lost the Basel final to Tim a couple of yrs ago and cried his pretty eyes out at the ceremony...

Fedex
10-15-2004, 08:08 PM
Actually, I'm hoping for another Federer-Henman final in Basel after their match three years ago, which would show whether Federer can now beat Henman indoors as well as outdoors, at an event where the conditions seem to suit the older man much better.
I would think this time around it would be a different result, despite it being on indoors. Federer, is also a great indoors player, so I see no reason why he cant beat Henman on indoors.

Fedex
10-15-2004, 08:10 PM
It will indeed be interesting, but it will have to wait until next year. Because Madrid is on indoor HARD, not clay. ;)

I too hope Federer doesn't pull out since with such an exodus of top players it leaves the field wide open for Agassi to sweep through, but from a partisan British perspective I am already chuckling at the thought of Henman being top seed at a TMS event. Try to live up to the seeding and win a match here for the first time, eh Tim?
There is no reason for Henman not to do well here, especially with all the top players out of the tournement. This surface is great for Henman's game, so if he loses early again, its all mental. He should do very well here, until he meets Agassi.

Fedex
10-15-2004, 08:17 PM
I only remembered that match of him vs Henman last year, if I'm not wrong, he was booed off court :o Field is weak?



Quite unlikely for Henman to miss out TMC this year, isnt' it? Why not Federer-Henman in Paris but Basel? And who will you be cheering for if that happens?
He deserved to be booed. I saw that match, and despite playing a good 1st set, he totally tanked the 2nd set. :rolleyes: They also booed Roddick in his semi with Henman, so I forgave them anyway. ;)

RogiFan88
10-15-2004, 10:38 PM
it was rather amusing how Tim managed to frustrate each of his opponents, fr Rogi to Pandy to Pavel... they all ended up throwing their racquet in disgust!

I hope Rogi pulls out of Paris too... and Juanqui, Marat, Rafa... all my faves -- then I won't miss anything good!!

Billabong
10-15-2004, 10:50 PM
I wanted so much to see Rogi play:sad:! Oh well...

lina_seta
10-15-2004, 11:02 PM
:crying2: :crying2: OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO was my first reaction >.< :mad: :sad: :crying2: when i found out i wanted to cry.. im SOOO SAD and dissapointed...
>.< i cant believe it!!!! looking forward for this so much and rogi pulls out!!! YYY on earth!!!!! it was SUCH A GOOD CHANCE to grab another title since roddick, moya and hewitt were out!!!! y leave now!!!!
im sorry but i think its stupid to pull out for "unknown" reasons, just to follow the others who "jumped from the bridge"... Im sorry but those unreveiled reasons just WONT DO! It would make 100000000 times more sense to pull out of PARIS!!! cuz its before TMC, plus his chances wont be as high in it cuz not so many top seeds pulled out!!!

now chances are almost ruined for: best win-loss record of the season and recent times, 12 titles in a year, THE FIRST MAN TO WIN 4 ATP events in a year (paris.. for the above reason)...

Madrid... such a good change to get one step closer to making more history... (plus the first time it will be a REAL record solely for him.. 4 atp events)

i feel sorry for the tourney organizers... (they even make drawings of them.. more than half are useless now!) reaaalllyyy sorry...

lunahielo
10-15-2004, 11:39 PM
im sorry but i think its stupid to pull out for "unknown" reasons, just to follow the others who "jumped from the bridge"...

lina_seta, a few minutes ago on the Spanish tournament site they said he had pulled out~~for personal reasons as well as being mentally and physically fatigued for the past few weeks. :sad:

This is probably true.

There was no reason given on the English site.

Fedex
10-16-2004, 01:27 AM
it was rather amusing how Tim managed to frustrate each of his opponents, fr Rogi to Pandy to Pavel... they all ended up throwing their racquet in disgust!

I hope Rogi pulls out of Paris too... and Juanqui, Marat, Rafa... all my faves -- then I won't miss anything good!!
Yeah, I found that funny too. :lol: Pavel threw his raquet too?? I didnt know that.

RogiFan88
10-16-2004, 02:52 AM
Yep, I love seeing Pavel get frustrated, it's a riot! He's v emotional...

I think everyone s skip out of Paris... who needs it! ha ha... the lesser players can play it to catch up on points

federer_roar
10-16-2004, 05:33 AM
Yeah, really disappointing. :awww: Now even don't know whether get to see him playing in Basel on TV from here. :tears:

Oh well, hope him rest and prepare well for the battle in Basel.

Daniel
10-16-2004, 09:38 AM
Rogi :sad:

Rogiman
10-16-2004, 09:42 AM
:rolleyes: :( :awww: :sobbing: :tears: :hysteric: :o :mad: :fiery: :explode:

Roger! :shout: you #%*@# little *$#@!

WyveN
10-16-2004, 10:13 AM
now chances are almost ruined for: best win-loss record of the season and recent times, 12 titles in a year, THE FIRST MAN TO WIN 4 ATP events in a year (paris.. for the above reason)...


imo, Roger would take a title win in his home city over the above records.

babsi
10-16-2004, 08:42 PM
I´m disapointed too,
but he has to do what´s best for him and he is the only person to know - we can´t!

Maybe Mirka needs to clean out the closetes at there flat and she needs him to get the stuff down from the higher shelfs, who knows?

I want him to enjoy playing tennis.He travles all year long, let him enjoy his time at home:)
And he has to win Basel now - no kidding!

jtipson
10-16-2004, 09:01 PM
Yeah, I found that funny too. :lol: Pavel threw his raquet too?? I didnt know that.

I must have missed it too. Did he do it in the second set tie-break by any chance? I was actually at the match but was hiding in the bathroom for the end of that set ;)

babsi
10-19-2004, 09:54 AM
Arern´t you all glad by now that, he decided not to play Madrid?

Those "ballgirls" - simply tastless,this is tennis, have some class for heavens sake!! :(

(I wouldn´t be suprised,if Roger told them,that he would´nt be back,if they decided to do that stunt again)

^Sue^
10-19-2004, 11:38 AM
federer might win if he's in.......

lsy
10-23-2004, 03:50 PM
So here in Madrid...

Nalby :yeah: (hopefully he can win his 3rd titles here)

Pavel :sad: (he seem to have started the year strong though so unfortunate having to meet Rogi in many early rounds, but going downhill lately)

and...

Tim :tape:...(does seem like possible he drops out of Houston now? :tape::tape: )