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Davis Cup 2011 Final in Seville, Spain

Sweetspot
07-07-2011, 04:12 PM
Monaco is currently demolishing Golubev in the first rubber, after which Juan Martin del Potro will play his first clay DC since Sept. 2008 ... vamos Delpo!!!:worship:

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Sweetspot
07-07-2011, 04:59 PM
niiiiiice :worship: juan martin breaks to begin, then holds 2-0 vs. mikhail kukushkin

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delpo treeing it that game ... kuku couldnt score a point ... and now he's facing a couple BPs

wow ... winning fh drive dtl into the corner to break serve

delpo serving for the first set :D

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just plain lethal wow ........ delpo/arg take first set 6-2 :aparty:

cobalt60
07-07-2011, 11:12 PM
And it was 62 61 62 ; eassyyyyyyyyyyy

Sweetspot
07-08-2011, 03:12 AM
YES! It was easy and very stable -- no slippery grass underfoot.
I only saw the first set, but Juan looked good! :cool:


http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9562/del1a.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4279/del4.jpg

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7151/del6.jpg

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3563/del7.jpg

... to be continued ...

Sweetspot
07-08-2011, 03:47 AM
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5012/del9.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1795/del10.jpg

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/320/del13.jpg

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/3396/del14.jpg

Kuku (kukushkin) wasn't a pushover, and he fought hard to try to find a way, but no matter what he tried, Delpo went thru him like a Mack truck (not to mention some well-timed forays to the net) :bounce:

... cont.

Sweetspot
07-08-2011, 04:46 AM
Thursday continued ... only thing: not liking that L knee strapping! :tape:

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9936/del15.jpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2894/del16.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8872/del18.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/239/deltotal.jpg

cobalt60
07-08-2011, 11:06 AM
Thanks for the screen shots :yeah: Worked 12 hours yesterday so never had time to check although I did not even know they were playing :silly: :lol: General elections on a Sunday who would have thought :p I had been hoping to catch those matches today on my day off. Oh well.
More than likely Argie will win the doubles and JM won't play on Sat.

Sweetspot
07-09-2011, 03:40 AM
youre welcome! :D

and youre right. chela/schwank d korolev/schulkin 63 62 75

Argentina through to the World Grp Semifinals in straights!

atm the reverse singles are scheduled for 13.00 GMT
* delPotro v golubev
* monaco v kukushkin

youre prob right that delpo and pico will both be wanting to get to the north american hard courts ... but they might stay home just to do some crowd pleasing exo type matches! :)

Sweetspot
07-09-2011, 09:22 AM
schedule update:
cobalt60 was correct: delpo has been replaced with chela to play golubev ... and monaco h/b replaced w/Schwank to play Kuku

could still be interesting ... I know chela will do well, but I'm curious about schwank, as he's improved steadily over the past year or so.

anyway, thanks to delpo for his excellent performance ... hope he gets in on day one of the u.s.open series so he can make a little extra ca$h by the time of the USOpen!

stay rested, delpo dear :kiss:

cobalt60
07-09-2011, 02:29 PM
:yeah: I was actually right about something :p JK I knew he would not play unless it was absolutely necessary to win. The smart thing to do.

Sweetspot
07-09-2011, 04:28 PM
uh oh ... you were right about delpo, but amazingly (j/k) I was wrong about monaco ... he's playing right now! :D

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3293/h2hjt.jpg

cobalt60
07-09-2011, 05:06 PM
He needs the points;) and the playtime :p

cobalt60
11-06-2011, 06:15 PM
No posts occurred during the SF's. Maybe will have some posting here for the finals :p

LawrenceOfTennis
11-06-2011, 07:35 PM
Vamos Boys!

cobalt60
11-11-2011, 10:59 PM
Found this online and translated regarding DC. Nice pic of JM coming home. Anyone know if that's his mom behind him? http://www.canchallena.com/1421371-la-final-de-la-copa-davis-ya-se-asemeja-a-una-partida-de-ajedrez

They lack little more than 20 days for the end of the Glass Davis, between Argentina and Spain, in Seville. But for several days that already gamble what if outside a chess game, with each protagonist hiding the pieces and evaluating at great length the movements before realising them. While in Paris last Masters 1000 of the year is disputed and the three places for the Glass of Teachers are defined last - in London, from the 20 of present, Argentine and the Spanish the challenges of the 2, 3 and 4 of December save energies imagining on the brick dust of the Olympic stage. Except for Juan Monaco, who after one week very positive in Valencia, where she was finalist, will today appear in Paris Bercy before the Donald American Young (last turn, televises ESPN), all the members of the Argentine equipment already are in Buenos Aires, thinking only about gaining the Salad bowl. Juan Martin of the Colt returned last night to our country, after to decide not to act and to risk in Paris by an annoyance in the right shoulder, although still chances had some few to classify itself for London. Delpo, that advanced in the ranking until the position 12°, prioritized Davis, as of today it will take days of rest and it will consult his personal doctor to perfectly know the degree the ailment. But he would not have problems in beginning with the tests on brick dust fields from the next week, previous passage by the kinesiólogo, clearly. The Vilas Club was yesterday in the evening a luck of place of encounter of many men who will travel to Spain. Because there, where the Topper Glass gambles, they attended Tito Vázquez and Ricardo Argentine Creek, captain and subcaptain, and observed - with preoccupation the encounter of Eduardo Schwank (alternative like doblista), who fell 6-2 and 6-3 with the Brazilian Ricardo Mello. Vázquez returned hours ago of Valencia, where it met with his Spanish pair, Albert Coast, and decided some points, like the schedules of training. In Palermo, also it was yesterday Facundo Bagnis, that will travel to Seville like sparring. Vázquez wants to take advantage of the condition of left-handed person who shows the youthful one so that he emulates in the training some movements of Rafael Nadal, Fernando Verdasco and Feliciano Lopez, rivals with the same capable hand. David Nalbandian, one of strong letters of Argentina, he was another one of which were yesterday in the Vilas. The Cordovan, who underwent a distension in the left isquiotibial approximately 15 days ago and by that reason under the circuit, made the rehabilitation in Unquillo and today he will begin to realise tennis exercises in Buenos Aires. Juan Ignacio Chela, another one of the players who will travel to Spain, also retook the practices along with his trainer, Pablo Source, after deciding not to act in Paris. Then, the next week, already peaky in our country, the five players and the technical body of Argentina will be joined in Buenos Aires and will begin to give more form to the great dream. Naturally, Spain also unfolds its strategy. Nadal, the leader of the Navy, decided to take care of its machinery not participating in Paris Bercy. Number 2 of the world trains in Majorca with two objectives: Davis, but before yearns for to gain the Glass of Teachers, match that never obtained. There, in London, also Ferrer will play. By this appointment, both players will have less time to practice on the slow surface that will have Davis, although is no discussion about which the Spaniards are the kings in the brick dust. Verdasco, protagonist in the end of the Glass Davis 2008, in Mar del Plata, said to him yesterday to EFE: " We cannot commit the error to believe to us favorite. Argentina has revenge desire. Now it is the other way around and we must learn of the error of ellos". Every time it reduces less for the end; nobody has been wanting to show its pieces, the game began for short while…

smitty8
11-12-2011, 01:40 PM
OMG, is that hard to read. "Glass Davis"? IMO, it's an airport and it's some random lady who happened to be there. :shrug:

cobalt60
11-12-2011, 01:46 PM
We will never know :p However the article supposedly was written when he returned home from Valencia so they make it out to be recent. :shrug:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 02:03 PM
i thought the davis cup final was in seville, spain

didnt it say that or was it someone returning to their homeland to practice:shrug:

cobalt60
11-12-2011, 02:51 PM
i thought the davis cup final was in seville, spain

didnt it say that or was it someone returning to their homeland to practice:shrug:

Yes and yes :lol:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 03:41 PM
then i rest my case :haha:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-12-2011, 04:29 PM
After the DC his confidence will be lower than ever. Expecting nothing but a bad start next year.

smitty8
11-12-2011, 05:55 PM
Sounds like they came home to practice, Juan was going to get treatment on shoulder, they got someone I've never heard of who is a lefty to practice with, and I guess that's about it. I wonder when they'll go to Spain. Last week of Nov? That's a decent amount of time to recover and prepare.

cobalt60
11-12-2011, 09:02 PM
^^ yes and yes again :p They practice in Club Vilas which is in Bs As.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-12-2011, 10:08 PM
Bs As?:confused:

cobalt60
11-12-2011, 10:10 PM
Buenos Aires, Argentina

LawrenceOfTennis
11-12-2011, 11:45 PM
Buenos Aires, Argentina

You are in BA??? Wow.

cobalt60
11-13-2011, 12:17 AM
You are in BA??? Wow.

No why would you think that? I was just quoting where the article stated the team was training.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-13-2011, 12:29 AM
No why would you think that? I was just quoting where the article stated the team was training.

earlier you wrote: yes and yes!
I thought you're happy because of that
you just never know with these country flags on MTF...

cobalt60
11-13-2011, 12:47 AM
Oh well I don't believe in false advertising so my flag is indeed my home. I live in the State of Maine.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-13-2011, 12:56 AM
Oh well I don't believe in false advertising so my flag is indeed my home. I live in the State of Maine.

I wasn't referring to you. You're a class poster. But 70% of MTF have fake flags.
Anyway, let's hope Juan can relax a bit at home.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-13-2011, 02:01 PM
Maine:angel: :devil:

really good fish:lick:

Carlita
11-13-2011, 02:33 PM
Ms Mod.....the final is in Sevilla ;)

Im glad he went home....it's a few weeks to go...gives him time to rest and practice in familiar surroundings :)

cobalt60
11-13-2011, 02:50 PM
:rolls: I know; I just forgot to change the title :p This is what happens when you are getting online CME credit in medicine and posting on MTF at the same time :lol:

cobalt60
11-18-2011, 01:09 AM
Well fortunately I was my prepared for my CME because I passed:p
Anyhoo word has it the team will travel to Seville on the 24th of November.

Getta
11-19-2011, 04:41 AM
Anyhoo word has it the team will travel to Seville on the 24th of November.

true this, and Tito Vázquez said yesterday that Juan has been following a full-time training program for the final. when Vázquez was asked if Juan and David will play the doubles rubber he answered that he doesn't rule out anything. they could do it, but it would be a tough fight for them to play all 3 rubbers (Olé, Grupo Clarín (http://www.ole.com.ar/tenis/equipo_0_593340913.html))

cobalt60
11-19-2011, 02:38 PM
thanks Getta for the link. They should not play JM for doubles at all; I still think he gets tired easily and should have a day of rest as his 2 singles points are too important. David is a very good doubles player so I can see them using him dependent on the score at the end of day one. No matter what ;this will be a very hard fought tie.

Getta
11-22-2011, 12:00 PM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150961629465574.765438.98785200573&type=1

first training session of the Argentine team was yesterday at the Tenis Club Argentino in Palermo, BsAs. Juan Martin, Pico and Edu Schwank trained in the morning with Facundo Bagnis as a hitting partner. Franco Davin and Mariano Zabaleta were there too. David Nalbandian arrived from Cordoba to join the group for the afternoon session. Chela, been in Santa Fe for an exho, trained there with Ricardo Rivera.

On Thursday the team will be in its way to Spain...

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae170/vassokalm/various5/finaldc1.jpg


source: Buenos Aires Tennis (BATennis.com) on Facebook

Getta
12-01-2011, 09:21 PM
Friday (2pm local)
Rafael Nadal vs Juan Monaco
David Ferrer vs Juan Martin Del Potro

Saturday (4pm local)
Feliciano Lopez & Fernando Verdasco vs David Nalbandian & Eduardo Schwank

Sunday (1pm local)
Rafael Nadal vs Juan Martin Del Potro
David Ferrer vs Juan Monaco

cobalt60
12-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Ooh I like this Capt Tito; meaning if they need too they can sub Nalby for Monaco on that Sunday :banana:
And thanks Getta for all your posts here as I have been rather busy working!

cobalt60
12-01-2011, 11:58 PM
Great video for the DC:

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cobalt60
12-02-2011, 12:33 AM
So good luck to the singles guys tomorrow. Won't be able to watch in real time so tennis channel in the evening if the matches go the right way :angel:

Carlita
12-02-2011, 01:47 PM
:help: Pico..... Delpo better step up or this will be a boring final :o

Sasja
12-02-2011, 06:25 PM
2-1 in sets now :cheerleader:

Such an important match for Argentina to win :scared:

Carlita
12-02-2011, 06:31 PM
http://www.digischool.nl/sp/images/3dvlag/argentina.gif vamos Delpo!!!!! :cheerleader:

Getta
12-02-2011, 07:41 PM
Juan broken in the fifth, what a fighter this Ferru :eek:

now things are beginning to look a bit gloomy for Argentina :sobbing:

Carlita
12-02-2011, 07:45 PM
:bigcry: :bigcry: then they MUST win the doubles...but I want my Fer to win his match too....oh boooooooooooo :sobbing:

cobalt60
12-02-2011, 09:51 PM
:( Oh well. Had wanted the whole tie to go to 5 but I have this sinking feeling. Good old Ferru; always the fighter; so awesome really.
Oh the guys must be so depressed.

Sunset of Age
12-02-2011, 09:53 PM
My sincere :hug: :hug: :hug:s to JMDP and his fans after that devastating loss... his tank ran empty after that 3rd set, so sad to see him sobbing in his towel thereafter. :sad:

Even if I root for Spain to grab this DC title as much as I do, I'd wished for Del Potro to take this match, if only for it to be just a little more of a true contest. I fear that it's in the bag for Spain now.

cobalt60
12-02-2011, 09:57 PM
My sincere :hug: :hug: :hug:s to JMDP and his fans after that devastating loss... his tank ran empty after that 3rd set, so sad to see him sobbing in his towel thereafter. :sad:

Even if I root for Spain to grab this DC title as much as I do, I'd wished for Del Potro to take this match, if only for it to be just a little more of a true contest. I fear that it's in the bag for Spain now.

Yep I agree;Spain has it. JM is always so emotional; maybe he feels that he let the team down. But hey Rafa and David are no slouches so I give them total credit for today. Gives new meaning to David slaying Goliath;)

Sunset of Age
12-02-2011, 10:04 PM
Yep I agree;Spain has it. JM is always so emotional; maybe he feels that he let the team down. But hey Rafa and David are no slouches so I give them total credit for today. Gives new meaning to David slaying Goliath;)

True.

You know, - apart from his batteries running empty today - I've always had this feeling that Juan Martin might just be too much of genuine gentleman to truly have what it takes to be a ruthless top-champion. He always comes across to me as such a nice gentle fellow - a bit of a 'huggy bear' to be exact. It may well be one of the reasons why I like him. ;)

Understand that this comment doesn't mean that I 'rule him out', or anything the like. He's a GS-champion. Noone can take that away from him, he's fully earned that. Wish him all of the best for the upcoming season!

smitty8
12-02-2011, 10:48 PM
OMG, I wish he had taken that 4th set! I knew he'd run out of gas in a 5th, he was already slowing down. I just want to give him a big hug. :hug: He was trying so hard. I hope they get the dubs, just because I want to see a live match between Rafa and Delpo.

cobalt60
12-02-2011, 11:03 PM
True.

You know, - apart from his batteries running empty today - I've always had this feeling that Juan Martin might just be too much of genuine gentleman to truly have what it takes to be a ruthless top-champion. He always comes across to me as such a nice gentle fellow - a bit of a 'huggy bear' to be exact. It may well be one of the reasons why I like him. ;)

Understand that this comment doesn't mean that I 'rule him out', or anything the like. He's a GS-champion. Noone can take that away from him, he's fully earned that. Wish him all of the best for the upcoming season!
I totally agree Karin.
OMG, I wish he had taken that 4th set! I knew he'd run out of gas in a 5th, he was already slowing down. I just want to give him a big hug. :hug: He was trying so hard. I hope they get the dubs, just because I want to see a live match between Rafa and Delpo.
I know. :(

Sasja
12-03-2011, 06:11 AM
It was so sad to watch. They needed to win that 2nd singles match in order to have a chance to win the Davis Cup :sad:
That 4th set was so important to win for him. And you could tell if he lost that he just wasn't able to get that final set :hug:

Hope they win the doubles though. Would be a shame if it it all ended after day 2.
Especially with that great atmosphere. The crowd is great :D

Svetlana T.
12-03-2011, 07:20 AM
This is heartbreaking. It could have been a turning point for him, but he has become such a loser, that I wish they had never even made the finals.

In the crucial moments, you can count on him fucking everything up, even against someone like Ferrer he couldn't break to save his life and was constantly getting broken easily with no serve.

That's two times now that he has gifted the Davis cup title to Spain, it is disgusting. I hope he never plays the Davis cup for Argentina again and retires next year if he has some dignity left.

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 11:56 AM
This is heartbreaking. It could have been a turning point for him, but he has become such a loser, that I wish they had never even made the finals.

In the crucial moments, you can count on him fucking everything up, even against someone like Ferrer he couldn't break to save his life and was constantly getting broken easily with no serve.

That's two times now that he has gifted the Davis cup title to Spain, it is disgusting. I hope he never plays the Davis cup for Argentina again and retires next year if he has some dignity left.

Are you always so negative? All your posts on this player forum tend to be. I have no problems with "fans" spouting off when they are disappointed in an outcome and I will support any poster whom I feel has constructive criticisms but your post is way off base and personal attacks against a player whom you don't know is totally uncalled for. Tennis is a game; sometimes you win and sometimes you lose but for this fan it is time to move on.

Mae
12-03-2011, 01:01 PM
Way to go Sue. Juan is a class act. And I personally still don't think he has made it all the way back yet from that wrist injury. I hope he has a big year in 2012 :)

Carlita
12-03-2011, 01:05 PM
Are you always so negative? All your posts on this player forum tend to be. I have no problems with "fans" spouting off when they are disappointed in an outcome and I will support any poster whom I feel has constructive criticisms but your post is way off base and personal attacks against a player whom you don't know is totally uncalled for. Tennis is a game; sometimes you win and sometimes you lose but for this fan it is time to move on.:yeah:

I'd like to add that when someone is that disappointed/negative all the time...maybe they are supporting the wrong person. Juan had a great year under the circumstances. He's back at the top and can only continue to improve in 2012. Maybe if this is not good enough for some, they need to find a player whos winning all the time. :shrug: Good luck with that...coz they don't exist really. Alternative is just to support whoever's at no.1 this week :)

MariaV
12-03-2011, 01:22 PM
Sorry lovely ladies here, don't want to disturb you, just give you and Delpo some :hug:s.

OMG, I wish he had taken that 4th set! I knew he'd run out of gas in a 5th, he was already slowing down. I just want to give him a big hug. :hug: He was trying so hard. I hope they get the dubs, just because I want to see a live match between Rafa and Delpo.

There's a good chance Argentina will win the doubles today so it won't be a dead rubber tomorrow and with the present Rafa it's all not so sure. Delpo did play pretty well. :hug:

:yeah:

I'd like to add that when someone is that disappointed/negative all the time...maybe they are supporting the wrong person. Juan had a great year under the circumstances. He's back at the top and can only continue to improve in 2012. Maybe if this is not good enough for some, they need to find a player whos winning all the time. :shrug: Good luck with that...coz they don't exist really. Alternative is just to support whoever's at no.1 this week :)


Exactly, you and Dr Sue are wise as always. :hatoff: What Svetlana said is really not nice, Delpo is still young and will hopefully be even better next year, he gave it his all, just wasn't enough yet against Ferru who has been in top shape lately. He can improve his fitness for the next season.
Sorry for disturbing, I'll be gone now! :wavey:

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 01:46 PM
Maria you are always welcome to post here :yeah: Actually everyone is welcome to post here ( this is a democratic MTF society after all). And I do not mind negative comments in the big scheme of things; just be ready to attract comments back. After all that's what a discussion board is about. Just keep it clean and respectful.

Here is JM's recent tweet after his loss:

"Les agradezco con el corazón todos los mensajes de apoyo, carińo y reconocimiento !!!


I thank you from the heart all the messages of support, affection and recognition!"

Carlita
12-03-2011, 02:19 PM
:wavey:hi Maria!!!

I dont want Fer to lose :lol: but....to make things interesting I might have to sacrifice my boy :o

The way Ferrer's been playing lately Im pleasantly surprised that Delpo got 2 sets off of him!!! :worship: He fought and that's all we can ask for :)

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 02:24 PM
And I should add-1. Keep it clean and respectful for both the player and the poster;) 2. Fer and Feli need to lose please. Afterall Fer was a hero last time these two teams played. He had his spot in the limelight. That's all :angel:

Carlita
12-03-2011, 02:44 PM
And I should add-1. Keep it clean and respectful for both the player and the poster;) 2. Fer and Feli need to lose please. Afterall Fer was a hero last time these two teams played. He had his spot in the limelight. That's all :angel::bigcry:

but yeah...true :lol:

:secret: but of course it's always Feli's fault...not Fer's :angel: :rolls: kidding

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Very entertaining...................for me so far;) Oh how I wish JM had won yesterday and they had to go to the 5th rubber. Spain looks poised to take the next singles the way those 2 played yesterday. Having a home crowd is so important. And if by some unforeseen luck Delpo takes his rubber can I assume that Tito will play Nalby? ( just watching him in doubles there is no doubt why he is called El Rey)

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 04:13 PM
:woohoo:
Ok JM good luck tomorrow against Rafa- you'll need some luck here me thinks.

Carlita
12-03-2011, 04:15 PM
:yeah: well done Argie chicos!!! (sorry Fer :hug: )

and yes SUERTE JM!!!!! I'd like a 5th match to decide things :bounce:

btw....was he watching?! Coz I didnt see him :o or maybe I need my eyes checked :lol:

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 04:18 PM
I did not see him on the bench either- maybe resting up?

smitty8
12-03-2011, 08:46 PM
http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/7310597/rafael-nadal-three-others-tested-doping-davis-cup-doubles-match

Nice timing on the drug tests. Guess they at least figured out where these guys would be today. :rolleyes:

Carlita
12-03-2011, 08:59 PM
http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/7310597/rafael-nadal-three-others-tested-doping-davis-cup-doubles-match

Nice timing on the drug tests. Guess they at least figured out where these guys would be today. :rolleyes:
oh...seriously.......

http://www.hermsenmedia.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/facepalm21.jpg

smitty8
12-03-2011, 09:18 PM
I don't see why they couldn't do it before or after the match. Why DURING the match? :facepalm:

Carlita
12-03-2011, 09:23 PM
yeah it's beyond ridiculous! It's not like this is not important to the teams.....It's only the Davis Cup final :o no need to cheer on your team mates.....

They started at 4pm so there were enough hours before the match started to have them do the tests :rolleyes: :facepalm:

Carlita
12-03-2011, 09:35 PM
What if Spain had won the doubles?! Half the team would be missing the celebrations :o :eek: :facepalm:

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 09:44 PM
Talk about surprise drug testing. Catch them when they least expect it :p

Carlita
12-03-2011, 09:51 PM
yeah but this timing was just :silly: x 1000 :cuckoo: to whoever thought it would be good to do that during the match....

cobalt60
12-03-2011, 09:57 PM
I know; bizarre.

Sweetspot
12-04-2011, 01:18 AM
:yeah: well done Argie chicos!!! (sorry Fer :hug: )

and yes SUERTE JM!!!!! I'd like a 5th match to decide things :bounce:

btw....was he watching?! Coz I didnt see him :o or maybe I need my eyes checked :lol:

Yes ... seńor adorable was there, and he was watching! :kiss:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3311/del1z.jpg

Sasja
12-04-2011, 06:58 AM
Happy Argentina won the doubles so it's not decided yet. But it's going to be so tough ofcourse against Nadal.

If Delpo had won the 4th set against Ferrer, it would have been 2-1 and I think Nalbandian would have played the final match against Ferrer. And then they really would have had a chance. So I'm sure Delpo is really dissapointed with that loss on Friday.

But Ferrer is a very good player and has had a really good year. It was for me a surprise that Delpo was able to get to a 5th set, because it sure didn't look like that in the beginning of the match. He sure fought hard and just ran out of gas in the 5th. Ferrer also said that he played one of his best matches of his career.

Really hope that Delpo can upset Nadal so we will have the final match to decide the winner. That would be great. The crowd will go wild :lol: But I'm afraid that won't happen though :sad:

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 04:27 PM
Well I missed the match as friends called and could not pass up the opportunity to have a great brunch/breakfast. But from what I can tell reading GM ( :eek: should I even believe half of what's written :lol: ) he played a good match except when it counted and his serve let him down ( although his serve and slow clay aren't exactly made for each other) Oh posters of reason please let me know how the match was overall! :worship:

Getta
12-04-2011, 04:36 PM
Oh posters of reason please let me know how the match was overall! :worship:

Juan Martin is on his way to Sparta.

that's all i have to tell you.

so please excuse my laconic writing. ;)

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 04:38 PM
Works for me Getta! I can't predict I will get to watch much of it ( although that first set must have been a blinder) since I was just paged...............................to be continued.

MariaV
12-04-2011, 04:52 PM
Ladies! :hatoff:
Delpo will be a force to be reckoned with next year (if he can stay uninjured)! :hatoff: Played actually a great match and gave it his all again as usual, Rafa was just able to pull himself together in critical moments after the first set. :o Big Al Costa also said Delpo played a great match! My respect Dr Sue & others! :hatoff:
:wavey:

Getta
12-04-2011, 04:54 PM
Maria, so very nice to see you here. :D

Svetlana T.
12-04-2011, 05:13 PM
His carreer is finished as far as I am concerned. He is never going to recover after this and the people back home are never going to forgive him. Once they did, but twice, no way.

I am reading the comments on the fora and the newspapers and he is being ripped to shreds. I suggest he stay in Spain given that he is much more helpful for them anyway.

The worst thing is that he deserves everything he gets.

I was a huge fan, even when nobody knew who he was. I believed in him and when he finally broke through, I was ecstatic. I was depressed when he got injured and delighted to see him make a comeback when a cloud of retirement was hovering above him.

But now that he has become an ultimate choker and a lazyarse, I've had enough.

It is shameful to see somebody as underprepared fitness wise as he is when he should be at the peak of his powers. It is sad to see no progress in his play or mental strength, in fact, he is worse now than he was in 2008 in both departments.

So, I won't bother you anymore with my negativity. You can drool over his looks or whatever else that gets you going, but I doubt you are going to enjoy his tennis results from now on.

Carlita
12-04-2011, 05:33 PM
His carreer is finished as far as I am concerned. He is never going to recover after this and the people back home are never going to forgive him. Once they did, but twice, no way.

I am reading the comments on the fora and the newspapers and he is being ripped to shreds. I suggest he stay in Spain given that he is much more helpful for them anyway.

The worst thing is that he deserves everything he gets.

I was a huge fan, even when nobody knew who he was. I believed in him and when he finally broke through, I was ecstatic. I was depressed when he got injured and delighted to see him make a comeback when a cloud of retirement was hovering above him.

But now that he has become an ultimate choker and a lazyarse, I've had enough.

It is shameful to see somebody as underprepared fitness wise as he is when he should be at the peak of his powers. It is sad to see no progress in his play or mental strength, in fact, he is worse now than he was in 2008 in both departments.

So, I won't bother you anymore with my negativity. You can drool over his looks or whatever else that gets you going, but I doubt you are going to enjoy his tennis results from now on.OF FFS!!!!! The guy fought his heart out!! He's FAR from lazy.....he kept getting the crowd involved to help him get psyched up....Geeez! Please leave.....pity the person who has you as a fan :o dear oh dear....

I enjoy his tennis, I enjoy his fighting spirit...so yeah, plenty to be happy about. I dont drool over him btw....:rolleyes: I just like the guy.....

He deserves all he gets? Well he certainly doesnt deserve how you talk about him..... sickning!

If you can't see he did well this year and that it's been a long season for everyone...well.... I pity you.


You need to find yourself a bandwagon ASAP!!!

milagre
12-04-2011, 05:41 PM
Svetlana, umesto što "šalješ" Delpa u "penziju",olakšaj svima ovde, pa i sebi, penzioniši se sama i ne širi svoju ubistvenu negativnost prema ovom sjajnom momku pred kojim je još toliko toga, takvi "navijači", posebno u ovakvim trenucima, su poslednje što mu treba. Zaista, načitala sam se svačega na ovom forumu,hejteri na sve strane, ali ovo.. takes the cake.
Sorry everyone, but I had to reply to Svetlana T. in our native Serbian, I was so upset with what she had to say, I simply cannot understand how someone can spread this much negativity and towards a player she/he supposedly "supports"(or by now, has been supporting),I mean,what is the point, let the guy be, it cannot possibly be worse for you than it is for him,right? Anyway, he did everything he could at this moment, but it was not to be, I wish him good health and all the luck in the world and in the upcoming season, judging from the first reactions I have read here in Serbia so far, people recognize Spain as the better team and congratulate them, but almost everyone is moved to tears by Delpos own tears,they truly seem to like and admire him and I hope this support only grows with time as he surely deserves it, both as a player and as a human being.

Carlita
12-04-2011, 05:44 PM
Svetlana, umesto što "šalješ" Delpa u "penziju",olakšaj svima ovde, pa i sebi, penzioniši se sama i ne širi svoju ubistvenu negativnost prema ovom sjajnom momku pred kojim je još toliko toga, takvi "navijači", posebno u ovakvim trenucima, su poslednje što mu treba. Zaista, načitala sam se svačega na ovom forumu,hejteri na sve strane, ali ovo.. takes the cake.
Sorry everyone, but I had to reply to Svetlana T. in our native Serbian, I was so upset with what she had to say, I simply cannot understand how someone can spread this much negativity and towards a player she/he supposedly "supports"(or by now, has been supporting),I mean,what is the point, let the guy be, it cannot possibly be worse for you than it is for him,right? Anyway, he did everything he could at this moment, but it was not to be, I wish him good health and all the luck in the world and in the upcoming season, judging from the first reactions I have read here in Serbia so far, people recognize Spain as the better team and congratulate them, but almost everyone is moved to tears by Delpos own tears,they truly seem to like and admire him and I hope this support only grows with time as he surely deserves it, both as a player and as a human being.:yeah: (as long as you're not swearing in Serbian :lol: )

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 06:16 PM
Well I will still support him and the only man I truly drool over is my husband ( no matter what tongue and cheek I do here btw). Sveta I also have been following him for almost 5 years now and maybe because I am older and I definitely think wiser with a hell of a lot of experience in everyday issues ( life and death decisions btw) but I am appalled at how you think this is the end of his career. FFS he is 11 in the world ! Maybe he won't be number one but I still think he will have a good career and be able to hold his head high. Give us all a break those of you who are so disappointed that it borders on the bizarre and stop bothering with his tennis. As for the people back home? Well when you are in the public eye sometimes you have to develop a thick skin.

Getta
12-04-2011, 06:27 PM
His carreer is finished as far as I am concerned. He is never going to recover after this and the people back home are never going to forgive him. Once they did, but twice, no way.

I am reading the comments on the fora and the newspapers and he is being ripped to shreds. I suggest he stay in Spain given that he is much more helpful for them anyway.

The worst thing is that he deserves everything he gets.

I was a huge fan, even when nobody knew who he was. I believed in him and when he finally broke through, I was ecstatic. I was depressed when he got injured and delighted to see him make a comeback when a cloud of retirement was hovering above him.

But now that he has become an ultimate choker and a lazyarse, I've had enough.

It is shameful to see somebody as underprepared fitness wise as he is when he should be at the peak of his powers. It is sad to see no progress in his play or mental strength, in fact, he is worse now than he was in 2008 in both departments.

So, I won't bother you anymore with my negativity. You can drool over his looks or whatever else that gets you going, but I doubt you are going to enjoy his tennis results from now on.


my ignore basket was empty until now, but just now i lined the bottom and half way up the sides with you as moss and i'm ready to press you firmly against. :) :) :)

milagre
12-04-2011, 06:29 PM
Hola Carlita, no te preocupes, I try not to swear as much as possible( admittedly,not an easy thing to do being from

Serbia)as a rule, plus I would never degrade this m. board in such a way. In short,I told her to make it easier for

everyone and retire herself, instead of telling Delpo to do so,as the last thing he needs are such "supporters",

especially at a time like this. I mean, there is such a thing as constructive criticism and a time for it, but this

(i.e. what she has to say) is none of that and the timing is all wrong.

Oh, sorry, I was so upset I completely fogot my manners, [I]Hello[I]to everyone on this board, fellow Delpo

supporters,and Carlita, huge congratulations to you for Spain winning the Davis cup, I do hope our two teams finnaly

get to play each other next year (and for all the players of both our respective teams to be on top of their games

if/when it happens), lo que un partido que seria,no?

Svetlana T.
12-04-2011, 06:31 PM
Well I will still support him and the only man I truly drool over is my husband ( no matter what tongue and cheek I do here btw). Sveta I also have been following him for almost 5 years now and maybe because I am older and I definitely think wiser with a hell of a lot of experience in everyday issues ( life and death decisions btw) but I am appalled at how you think this is the end of his career. FFS he is 11 in the world ! Maybe he won't be number one but I still think he will have a good career and be able to hold his head high. Give us all a break those of you who are so disappointed that it borders on the bizarre and stop bothering with his tennis. As for the people back home? Well when you are in the public eye sometimes you have to develop a thick skin.

OK, just one more post.

Life doesn't give you many opportunites. He was given a chance and he blew it again.

The fact is Peak Potro is/was number 1 potential. Perhaps even GOAT potential. But now you are quick to say he might never be number one. So what went wrong? His talent and shotmaking skills are still there and they are immeasurable. So what happened with the prodigy? OK, the wrist injury was terrible, but he has been back for over a year now and was actually playing better in March than he is now.

The more he loses in this way, the more mental baggage he carries. I know all about it.

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 06:38 PM
OK, just one more post.

Life doesn't give you many opportunites. He was given a chance and he blew it again.

The fact is Peak Potro is/was number 1 potential. Perhaps even GOAT potential. But now you are quick to say he might never be number one. So what went wrong? His talent and shotmaking skills are still there and they are immeasurable. So what happened with the prodigy? OK, the wrist injury was terrible, but he has been back for over a year now and was actually playing better in March than he is now.

The more he loses in this way, the more mental baggage he cares. I know all about it.
Now this I actually agree with. He was supposed to be the "goat" but there are so many variables along the way that sometimes it doesn't happen. However his career isn't over yet and I guess I am just one of those people who enjoys watching tennis for the battles that occur on the court. But I don't really care if he becomes number one; that's not important to me as a fan. I just enjoy watching him play- great when he wins and ok when he doesn't.
Do I or will I ever know him personally? No but at least on court and the way he handles himself in the press makes me like him. I had a behind the scenes experience a few years back that made me realize what assholes some of these players really are;) And he doesn't strike me as that type of asshole. At least I hope not :lol:

And life gives you as many opportunities that you sometimes make yourself;)

Sasja
12-04-2011, 06:40 PM
Ladies! :hatoff:
Delpo will be a force to be reckoned with next year (if he can stay uninjured)! :hatoff: Played actually a great match and gave it his all again as usual, Rafa was just able to pull himself together in critical moments after the first set. :o Big Al Costa also said Delpo played a great match! My respect Dr Sue & others! :hatoff:
:wavey:

This :yeah:

He was so close to win that 4th set. But shame he couldn't serve it out.
But the match was closer than I expected. He played well. Rafa was the better player at the important points.

Mentally it must be tough for him. Chances against Ferrer and now against Nadal :hug:

Even though Argentina lost it was a great final. The crowd was amazing :bowdown:

If Delpo and Nalbandian stay injury free, they really have another chance next season with Monaco and a good doubles team!
Hopefully they finally can get their revenge on Spain then :devil:

Carlita
12-04-2011, 06:43 PM
Svetlana, we have a place for these type of posts...it is called General Messages (http://www.menstennisforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2). Please go rant in there thanks.

And Milagre, muchas gracias!! Im happy Spain won (because of Fernando ;) ) But I wanted a 5th rubber and had a slight preference for Argentina to win this time because I think it is about time they did.

Im proud of both teams for fighting this hard to get to the final and Im also happy it wasnt a complete whitewash! The Argies gave Spain a run for their money, especially in doubles and today. :worship: Play Rafa on clay, at home, in DC and a DC final...well.... that cannot be easy! He turns into a claymonster :lol: (and Fer looked like a fangirl going :cheerleader: :bounce: ) :o

Im sure Juanie's day will come when he can hold the DC trophy. He's young afterall and has got a bright future ahead of him ;)

And Getta...that post just made me choke on my coffee :spit: :rolls: :lol:

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 06:45 PM
This :yeah:

He was so close to win that 4th set. But shame he couldn't serve it out.
But the match was closer than I expected. He played well.

Mentally it must be tough for him. Chances against Ferrer and now against Nadal :hug:

If Delpo and Nalbandian stay injury free, they really have another chance next season!

And the guts too. I can see Sveta's concern about the mental baggage here. I wonder ( and of course will never know) if he was carrying baggage already from the 2008 final. Although I have not watched the match yet; reading some of the posters on GM suggests that he had let downs at points where he is typically so tough. And I have stated this before this year but his stamina or lack thereof is also concerning. No mono here Delpo- stop all kissing :p

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 06:47 PM
"Carlita"- I don't call Getta the cryptic comedienne for nothing :p
And Sveta- you sound very disappointed and I think you need a virtual :hug: Hang in there and I hope 2012 will be an even better year for him and us fans.

Sasja
12-04-2011, 06:50 PM
And the guts too. I can see Sveta's concern about the mental baggage here. I wonder ( and of course will never know) if he was carrying baggage already from the 2008 final. Although I have not watched the match yet; reading some of the posters on GM suggests that he had let downs at points where he is typically so tough. And I have stated this before this year but his stamina or lack thereof is also concerning. No mono here Delpo- stop all kissing :p

That's indeed concerning.
Yeah, I mean he served for the 4th set at 5-3 but couldn't close it out. Then Rafa came back. But even if he did win the 4th set, I'm not sure if he could have won. After his long match on Friday where he totally ran out of gas I don't think he would have had the energy in that final set. Especially against Rafa.

Carlita
12-04-2011, 06:52 PM
And the guts too. I can see Sveta's concern about the mental baggage here. I wonder ( and of course will never know) if he was carrying baggage already from the 2008 final. Although I have not watched the match yet; reading some of the posters on GM suggests that he had let downs at points where he is typically so tough. And I have stated this before this year but his stamina or lack thereof is also concerning. No mono here Delpo- stop all kissing :psure it is...but this was a come back year....this way there is only room for improvement. ;) But for some he has to go from 0-100 within 3 seconds :o

milagre
12-04-2011, 07:08 PM
Well,Carlita, now that you have said it, I too rooted for Argentina as its really about time they finally win it, but youre right, Spain(Rafa) on claycourt- not much left to hope for. And I agree, the crowd and the whole atmosphere-nothing short of amazing! On a funnier note, people here have also commented on Fers"cheerleading" , saying he deserves something like a "golden ponpon" for his efforts!
As for Delpo, I agree he has in a way taken " a step back" both mentally and physically since that wrist injury and has some serious work to do in both fields to get back to his old (2009) self, but I really dont see why he wouldnt be able to achieve it,if he remains more or less injury-free and focused on the goal, especially now that he knows hes fully capable of reaching it. And to me that doesnt mean becoming GOAT or anything like that, just a couple of more Grand slams, maybe number one spot if theres some luck and lots of great tennis we know he can play. Oh, yes, and a Davis cup, of course!

Svetlana T.
12-04-2011, 07:12 PM
Now this I actually agree with. He was supposed to be the "goat" but there are so many variables along the way that sometimes it doesn't happen. However his career isn't over yet and I guess I am just one of those people who enjoys watching tennis for the battles that occur on the court. But I don't really care if he becomes number one; that's not important to me as a fan. I just enjoy watching him play- great when he wins and ok when he doesn't.
Do I or will I ever know him personally? No but at least on court and the way he handles himself in the press makes me like him. I had a behind the scenes experience a few years back that made me realize what assholes some of these players really are;) And he doesn't strike me as that type of asshole. At least I hope not :lol:

And life gives you as many opportunities that you sometimes make yourself;)
Well he most definitely will never become number one, let alone a GOAT now. I have resigned myself to that and I accept it. But that's him playing on the ATP tour, this was him playing for his country. It's a completely different dimension, totally new dynamics.

And there, this amount of choking is not acceptable. Or this amount of tiredness either. Particularly, when you are you team's best player (or at least best ranked).

Can you imagine a Bryant choking in all 7 matches of the NBA finals? I am not comparing him to Bryant, I am comparing the situations. Or a Messi missing a decisive penalty in a final penalty shoot-out for his team?

That's called letting the team down. And the thing gets worse, because Argentina have never won the damn cup. Had he won this, he would have been the biggest national hero since Maradona.

Nobody really expected a win either, so he could have played without pressure. But then he comes up against Ferrer, starts slowly, regroups by playing some of his best tennis only to become tired at one point. He didn't play for 4 weeks and comes so unprepared for the biggest match of his life?

Then thanks to Nalbandian and Schwank, he gets another chance to redeem himself. Again, nobody expects him to win, and he starts by playing an absolute blinder only to start choking for no apparent reason whatsoever. He repeats that again in the fourth set. One word comes to mind and it's ridiculous.

It's not like he played a peak Nadal either, but rather a subdued one with a tough season behind him. He could and should have won both his rubbers.

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 07:26 PM
Well he most definitely will never become number one, let alone a GOAT now. I have resigned myself to that and I accept it. But that's him playing on the ATP tour, this was him playing for his country. It's a completely different dimension, totally new dynamics.

And there, this amount of choking is not acceptable. Or this amount of tiredness either. Particularly, when you are you team's best player (or at least best ranked).

Can you imagine a Bryant choking in all 7 matches of the NBA finals? I am not comparing him to Bryant, I am comparing the situations. Or a Messi missing a decisive penalty in a final penalty shoot-out for his team?

That's called letting the team down. And the thing gets worse, because Argentina have never won the damn cup. Had he won this, he would have been the biggest national hero since Maradona.

Nobody really expected a win either, so he could have played without pressure. But then he comes up against Ferrer, starts slowly, regroups by playing some of his best tennis only to become tired at one point. He didn't play for 4 weeks and comes so unprepared for the biggest match of his life?

Then thanks to Nalbandian and Schwank, he gets another chance to redeem himself. Again, nobody expects him to win, and he starts by playing an absolute blinder only to start choking for no apparent reason whatsoever. He repeats that again in the fourth set. One word comes to mind and it's ridiculous.

It's not like he played a peak Nadal either, but rather a subdued one with a tough season behind him. He could and should have won both his rubbers.
Now this is constructive criticism and I agree with it ( again I need to watch this last match) but yes the Ferrer one I do see what you are saying. But doesn't it make you wonder why this happened? Maybe there are no excuses except he isn't as fit as he should be but he had been not too long ago so I just find it all so strange. :scratch: Then again can't speak about what one doesn't know.
I am also curious as to what will happen back in Argentina. I am hopeful that he isn't crucified because that would take a toll on anyone.

Svetlana T.
12-04-2011, 07:38 PM
He was toying with Rafa until 6-1 1-0 40-0, it was unbelievable to watch, totally reminiscent of 2009. And then he stopped. He had some chances afterwards too, but it's like he resigned himself that it was not meant to be.

He went from breaking Nadal in all games to not being able to win a single point on his serve. OK, Rafa did step up, but only after he started choking. He obviously sensed the blood.

As for Ferrer, he is a better player than the Spaniard, clay or no clay. There are no excuses for that loss, especially as she was 2-1 up with Ferrer looking spent.

Carlita
12-04-2011, 07:39 PM
he also got both legs taped.....and had he won this match.....he wouldnt have been a national heroe either...because the one who would have won the 5th rubber would get that honour.

The season has been long and hard on all players....not just Nadal. Nadal is like Agassi when it comes to Davis Cup....they turn into something supernatural....and can get quite scary :o

For me he doesnt have to be the goat (man I hate that word :o ) I just want him to live and learn and do what HE thinks is best for him. Us fans have no say in it....(unless you're on the payroll). Imo Federer is the best player ever and that I doubt he will ever be replaced. So it would be an almost impossible thing to aim for.

I will keep on cheering in good and bad times. Right now Im proud of him and he can be proud of his comeback year.

btw...what happened to: last post and goodbye to this place? :o

milagre
12-04-2011, 07:55 PM
he also got both legs taped.....and had he won this match.....he wouldnt have been a national heroe either...because the one who would have won the 5th rubber would get that honour.

The season has been long and hard on all players....not just Nadal. Nadal is like Agassi when it comes to Davis Cup....they turn into something supernatural....and can get quite scary :o

For me he doesnt have to be the goat (man I hate that word :o ) I just want him to live and learn and do what HE thinks is best for him. Us fans have no say in it....(unless you're on the payroll). Imo Federer is the best player ever and that I doubt he will ever be replaced. So it would be an almost impossible thing to aim for.

I will keep on cheering in good and bad times. Right now Im proud of him and he can be proud of his comeback year.

btw...what happened to: last post and goodbye to this place? :o

:yeah:Especially for that last sentence.As for the possible "crucifiction", how it all reminds me of the situation over here after our semifinals loss against the very same Delpo cause of Noles retirement due to injury,there were lots of terrible comments, accusations-why did he play if he wasnt up to it and guess what-those people would have said the same things had he said he could not play for his countrz cause he feels he is not up to it, so if the same "fate" befalls Delpo back home, all I can say is what I thought in Noles case-those people simply do not deserve him, period!

Svetlana T.
12-04-2011, 07:56 PM
Just to clarify, I didn't mean the GOAT, but one of the all time greats, just a GOAT, or one of the GOATs lol. Anyway, it doesn't matter now.

Nadal didn't look scary to me today, in fact it was Juan that looked scary until he decided to stop playing.

As for my posting, I didn't expect people to respond me, so I had to clarify some things.

I am kinda glad I woke up this place a bit, but I promise I won't continue.

Good look to all of you in cheering for him, you will all need it.

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 08:04 PM
:yeah:Especially for that last sentence.As for the possible "crucifiction", how it all reminds me of the situation over here after our semifinals loss against the very same Delpo cause of Noles retirement due to injury,there were lots of terrible comments, accusations-why did he play if he wasnt up to it and guess what-those people would have said the same things had he said he could not play for his countrz cause he feels he is not up to it, so if the same "fate" befalls Delpo back home, all I can say is what I thought in Noles case-those people simply do not deserve him, period!

:yeah: to the media bs;And that hurts the players imo.

Carlita
12-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Good look to all of you in cheering for him, you will all need it.naaah, it's really easy, no luck needed.

Carlita
12-04-2011, 08:15 PM
:yeah: to the media bs;And that hurts the players imo.people (media) like winners....as soon as something changes they'll burn you to the ground....pathetic really.

I think my avatar says it all :angel:

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 08:21 PM
:rolls: yes I think it says all it needs to.

Getta
12-04-2011, 09:12 PM
http://tn.com.ar/deportes/after-play/00074932/nalbandian-consolo-a-del-potro

David's first words to Delpo: "Dale que jugaste bárbaro, no te podes reprochar nada." or "You played a fantastic match, you have nothing to blame yourself for."


http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae170/vassokalm/autumn2011/daviscup2011/dcfinal10.png

Getta
12-04-2011, 09:15 PM
Svetlana, we love you

now beat it

jaja

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 09:21 PM
thanks Getta- now time for me to go watch the match.

cobalt60
12-04-2011, 11:14 PM
What a great first set he played. But then lost chances. And so sad at the end. But kudos to Spain this time and definitely David Ferrer was the hero this weekend.

jayjay
12-05-2011, 02:49 AM
Svetlana, we have a place for these type of posts...it is called General Messages (http://www.menstennisforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2). Please go rant in there thanks.


Isn't a Del Potro fan allowed to make critical comments of Del Potro in the Del Potro forum? I'm not saying I agree with all of what Svet has said, because I don't agree with some of it (that he shouldn't play for Argentina again), but definitely some other aspects of it (that he completely lacks a confidence and killer instinct that he had before the surgery).

However, I don't really understand why she or anyone should have to go to GM to say such things just because it might offend the sensibilities of other fans of the same player?

I know MTF player forums are often these lovey dovey places where you're not allowed to say anything remotely critical of that player, or even dare say anything positive about an opponent, but it shouldn't actually be like that. It's one of a number of reasons why I've often steered clear of player forums - including players I like myself, of which Del Potro is one.

I know Svet has been a Del Potro fan since he was a junior (as was I), so no one here needs to question her credentials as a Del Potro fan, to be perfectly honest. She's been a fan of his long before many of you had even heard of him, with all due respect. :hatoff:

Getta
12-05-2011, 03:02 AM
Isn't a Del Potro fan allowed to make critical comments of Del Potro in the Del Potro forum? I'm not saying I agree with all of what Svet has said, because I don't agree with some of it (that he shouldn't play for Argentina again), but definitely some other aspects of it (that he completely lacks a confidence and killer instinct that he had before the surgery).

However, I don't really understand why she or anyone should have to go to GM to say such things just because it might offend the sensibilities of other fans of the same player?

I know MTF player forums are often these lovey dovey places where you're not allowed to say anything remotely critical of that player, or even dare say anything positive about an opponent, but it shouldn't actually be like that. It's one of a number of reasons why I've often steered clear of player forums - including players I like myself, of which Del Potro is one.

I know Svet has been a Del Potro fan since he was a junior (as was I), so no one here needs to question her credentials as a Del Potro fan, to be perfectly honest. She's been a fan of his long before many of you had even heard of him, with all due respect. :hatoff:

jayjay, Svetlana said:

I was a huge fan, even when nobody knew who he was. I believed in him and when he finally broke through, I was ecstatic. I was depressed when he got injured and delighted to see him make a comeback when a cloud of retirement was hovering above him.

But now that he has become an ultimate choker and a lazyarse, I've had enough.

the rest of her rubbish talk went in the trash. i don't have any problem with her posting here since i put her on ignore. :D

jayjay
12-05-2011, 03:09 AM
jayjay, Svetlana said:

I know what she said.

Is she not allowed to vent her frustrations at his current level in comparison to where she thinks he should be? Whether you agree with her expectation or not is fair game, but I don't really understand why she got ganged up on for saying it?

Other than for the fact everyone in a player forum is supposed to say this. "I love such and such so much, he is so great. Look at how he smiles, isn't he adorable? OMG, he has a girlfiend? I hope she's nice, but I don't approve of her, she's a slut. I've never met her, though. I just know she's a model. I love him so much, he is playing so well even though he hasn't won a match in 6 months. Oh he lost? I'm so sad. He must have been injured, nothing else can explain it?"

The last line I took almost exclusively from the Nadal forum. :D (although I'm sure I could have taken it from the Federer and Djokovic forums, too, had I ever read either forum for more than 3 seconds)

Getta
12-05-2011, 03:11 AM
jayjay, all women are sluts these days.

Carlita
12-05-2011, 05:36 AM
Jayjay, there's a difference between constructive critisism and talking about someone like they are scum of the earth. (first bit goes in here, 2nd goes in GM....simple)

jayjay
12-05-2011, 06:07 AM
Jayjay, there's a difference between constructive critisism and talking about someone like they are scum of the earth. (first bit goes in here, 2nd goes in GM....simple)

There is and I don't think saying a player shouldn't play Davis Cup anymore (as Svet said) or that you have grown tired of the player they have become (as Svet said) is akin to labelling them as the scum of the earth.

Maybe you do, in which case we'll have to agree to disagree. You've taken a huge jump there from what was actually said to how you wish to portray it.

Personally, after Malaga I thought and said - and still think and still say - that Gaudio should never have played Davis Cup ever again, too. Not because he lost - thrashed twice in three days - but because of the attitude he exhibited while doing so. That doesn't mean I think Gaudio is the scum of the earth, far from it. Just simply that Davis Cup, at that level, was clearly something far too big for him to handle (ie. the pressure and expectation from a nation).

And further to that, just to broaden the discussion slightly, if I was Spanish or a fan of the Spanish Davis Cup team, my view of Verdasco would be he shouldn't play Davis Cup again either, because his attitude (I'm not talking about his performance, players play well, players play badly, that's just the way it is) on Saturday was quite disgusting. I'm sure you won't agree - as a Verdasco fan - but I'm just making the point to say it's possible to say that without thinking that person is the scum of the earth.

Unfortunately, too many people take any criticism or bad word said about a player they like to the extreme and make out like they are being blamed for all the evil in the world, which isn't usually the case.

On a side note, I find it amusing that you say "talking about someone like the scum of the earth is for GM". Is there a thread on GM that states as part of its rules/guidelines that you are free to talk of players as the scum of the earth there? :lol:

Carlita
12-05-2011, 07:36 AM
It is how I saw it after I read it. :shrug: So yeah best agree to disagree here.

about GM.....please :lol: ....have you read stuff in there? The way people talk about some players is really beyond pathetic and I can tell you, being an admin, if I had my way 75% of GM would be deleted and/or banned :angel: (one of the reason I only moderate there if no other mods are around :o )

oh and trust me....Fernando's attitude (on court that is) makes me go :fiery: at the best of times. Ever since he changed his manager and left Spain for the USA I see the difference and I don't like it one bit because he doesnt need it.

cobalt60
12-05-2011, 08:56 PM
As I mentioned before I do not like censorship of any kind so I don't have any issues with Sveta or Lori posting how they feel. However if they are going to vent their disgust or frustrations then they need to be called out for it from those of us who disagree. As far as I am concerned this forum is a democracy. And everyone needs to have respect for each other, the player in question and this board. Nuff said.

Mae
12-06-2011, 04:46 PM
I just think Juan's conditioning is still a little off. He is all the way back to 11th already. He is going to do fine! And he played his heart out at the Davis Cup! And Sue I love the way you handle this Forum :)

cobalt60
12-06-2011, 10:38 PM
Thanks Mae but I wouldn't go so far as to say I have much to do with anything here. This forum should and is all about the people who post and of course the player we post about. It is a nice lot.