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Big Ego, necessary to be a great champion?

DJ Soup
06-25-2011, 09:12 PM
Everyone who doesn't like Federer justifies their dislike mostly by saying he's arrogant and has a huge ego.

Being a Fed supporter, I see that Nadal has very similar arrogance and ego level as Federer.


And, GET THIS, I don't mind it.
I don't care if they are arrogant or not.
I think they are both great persons, that only bring up their competitive and selfish nature only on court and in the moments right after the match, when they are still with their heads inside the match.

Because, tennis is an individual sport and one of the most competitive sports there can be. I think you really need a big ego to be a sustained champion for a long period of time.
Otherwise how are you going to believe in yourself with every stroke and movement and decision you're making on the court?

I don't think Roger and Rafa are arrogant. They both walked the walk, they both have the credentials to speak their minds, and more often than not, they are absolutely right. But saying the truth can sound as arrogant sometimes. But then, haven't you? How many times have you stopped yourself from saying what you really think in fear of sounding arrogant or with a huge ego?
Human beings have a competitive nature. Tennis players usually know better and leave that competitiveness on the court.

Outside of the court both Rafa and Roger and perfectly fine and seem like really swell guys. Nothing indicates that they bring that arrogance and ego from the court and onto their normal lives.


So do you think big egos on the sport are justified once you have won so much and everything there is?
Do you think big egos actually helps them keep on winning tournaments?

Personally I always thought Djokovic has been lacking that big ego to keep on winning slams after he won his first. As if he seemed to respect Roger and Rafa too much and gave them the spotlight. The DC win brought back that big ego.

Do you think having a big ego when playing the game is a negative thing?
Personally, I think it depends how you administrate it. I hate the big egos in the NBA, Cristiano Ronaldo, Mourinho, etc.
But the way tennis stars handle it is admirable, and I really cannot complain about anyone's ego, maybe just that time when Murray would stupidly show his biceps.


Ok... I lit the fire.
Shoot away!

Roddickominator
06-25-2011, 09:19 PM
Anybody who is truly great at their profession has a huge ego. It's a necessary part of being great and successful. Some just hide it better than others.

Johnny Groove
06-25-2011, 09:33 PM
Not a big ego so much as incredible self belief regardless of evidence to the contrary.

Jamoz
06-25-2011, 09:41 PM
Yes it is, Look some Ali videos and you see some HUGE ego (and mouth from the south). These boys are just apprentices with their egos, but all great champions have Big-Huge egos when they do their job and it is needed. In "normal" life they are often quite different.

Mateya
06-25-2011, 09:48 PM
Don't think it's necessary, but it sure helps. :)

Having unlimited confidence and self-belief is what you need.

Time Violation
06-25-2011, 09:53 PM
Don't think it's necessary, but it sure helps. :)

Having unlimited confidence and self-belief is what you need.

That and some skill of course, having big ego without anything to back it up would be a major fail :lol: But that goes without saying I guess :)

guga2120
06-25-2011, 09:54 PM
I see that Nadal has very similar arrogance and ego level as Federer.




:lol:
I stopped reading after this.

DJ Soup
06-25-2011, 09:59 PM
Yes it is, Look some Ali videos and you see some HUGE ego (and mouth from the south). These boys are just apprentices with their egos, but all great champions have Big-Huge egos when they do their job and it is needed. In "normal" life they are often quite different.

So having a big ego in sport should NOT be frowned upon?

When people hate a player like Rafa/Roger mostly due to their arrogance, are we agreeing that they do not value that a measure of arrogance is really helpful for becoming a great champion?

Jamoz
06-25-2011, 10:05 PM
So having a big ego in sport should NOT be frowned upon?

When people hate a player like Rafa/Roger mostly due to their arrogance, are we agreeing that arogance is really helpful for becoming a great champion?

If person and attitude is right, then big ego is ok. Ali had big ego but he was also entertaining and super charismatic, that is why it worked. Fed and Nad have big egos too, but entertaining and charismatic?... :zzz:

DJ Soup
06-25-2011, 10:07 PM
:lol:
I stopped reading after this.

unsurprising.
You can see/hear what you wanna see/hear

Jamoz
06-25-2011, 10:09 PM
But yeah some ego is needed for confidence and victories. No confidence no success.

moon language
06-25-2011, 10:16 PM
I think its pretty rare that someone makes it to the top and is surprised that they did.

Sunset of Age
06-25-2011, 10:18 PM
In an extremely competitive environment like top sport is, you won't get to the top without having a huge self-belief. Every top player has this self-belief. Unfortunately, some mistake it for 'arrogance' and a 'big ego'.

rafa_maniac
06-25-2011, 10:21 PM
I sort of agree. I don't care for Fed, but his ego is not the reason, he's actually entitled to think pretty damn highly of himself.

barbadosan
06-25-2011, 10:23 PM
:lol:
I stopped reading after this.

Poor you. If Fed continues playing till 33 or so, you'll be close to dementia because of this obsession of yours with the "arrogance" you perceive he has. Why don't you just lose your stupid obsession and give yourself some room to breathe and grow?

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 10:24 PM
not really

sometimes it seems some successful people are arrogant because they have a lot of self-confidence in the belief that they're good and if you happen to be really good at what you do, then believing you are cannot be taken as a sign of arrogance.

andylovesaustin
06-25-2011, 10:34 PM
Yes, I think it's necessary to have a big ego.. in your sport to be a great champion.

See... I think there is a difference with on-court personalities and off-court personalities. I think on-court.. or.. within competition a person has to BELIEVE in HIS/HER best.

I just think... a person has to believe he is among the best to be the best in anything.

Now... off-court--outside of competition... it's different. I don't think Roger or Rafa are any different than anybody else as far as how they treat people in everyday life... if that makes any sense.

It's hard to explain.. but I think on-court in the midst of competition.. it's nearly like a different "being."

TennisLurker
06-25-2011, 10:40 PM
I don't think people hate Federer for his ego

Think of his crying when the lost the AO 2009 final to Rafa, how he could not contain himself. Roddick a few months later endudered a much more painful loss and did not cry like Fed.
When you consider that he is the most successful player ever, his crying, when he wins and falls to his knees crying and when he loses, makes him look not very grown up and effeminate. Cry when your mother dies, not after losing the final of a tournament you have won 3 times already.

And then his purse and jacket.

DrJules
06-25-2011, 10:52 PM
Yes.

Confidence, arrogance, ego and massive self belief are necessary. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all have it and Murray seems to be lacking in this area.

andylovesaustin
06-25-2011, 10:54 PM
I don't think people hate Federer for his ego

Think of his crying when the lost the AO 2009 final to Rafa, how he could not contain himself. Roddick a few months later endudered a much more painful loss and did not cry like Fed.
When you consider that he is the most successful player ever, his crying, when he wins and falls to his knees crying and when he loses, makes him look not very grown up and effeminate. Cry when your mother dies, not after losing the final of a tournament you have won 3 times already.

And then his purse and jacket.

You know... I as everyone knows here, I was so pissed about Roger crying to the point Rafa had to console him at Rafa's own celebration.

But... after reflection, I just think Roger... lost control. I just think there was a lot going on in his life. I just think he wasn't "ready" for a lot of things... like his possible decline in tennis. But Roger came back. Roger has come back many times. I so much admire that spirit. Roger keeps coming back becaue he loves the game.

As far as Andy's loss to Roger, it seemed to completely destroy Andy. Andy has not been able to come back. Maybe Andy doesn't care enough to come back--which is fine. I mean.. you know tennis is only a game. It's not a life and death situation.

But regarding tennis, compared to Roger, it just seems...Andy isn't as passionate about it--which is absolutely fine. Maybe Andy never had the talent TO COME BACK like Roger has that kind of raw talent.

That doesn't make Andy a bad person. He's just not in the same league as a tennis player.

Ilovetheblues_86
06-25-2011, 10:55 PM
I don't think people hate Federer for his ego

Think of his crying when the lost the AO 2009 final to Rafa, how he could not contain himself. Roddick a few months later endudered a much more painful loss and did not cry like Fed.
When you consider that he is the most successful player ever, his crying, when he wins and falls to his knees crying and when he loses, makes him look not very grown up and effeminate. Cry when your mother dies, not after losing the final of a tournament you have won 3 times already.

And then his purse and jacket.

He only won 3 times because he couldnt hold the tears of losing later. Thats the point of the thread.

blank_frackis
06-25-2011, 11:10 PM
It's hard to say which comes first (success or self belief) because being a great champion can give you an ego. Let's face it, even if you took someone who was very modest at the beginning, by the time they'd been winning slams for years and had countless people worshipping them like gods they'd start to believe their own hype. They wouldn't be human if they didn't.

I think at the lower levels a big ego tends to hurt players, though. You see it all the time if you play tennis - guys who think they're a lot better than they are going for the big shot every time and failing. You also get the guys who think they're destined for greatness because they won a tournament when they were 15 and end up resting on their laurels and wasting their talent. Basically a big ego and self belief is great when you're Federer or Nadal, but if you have one before you've really achieved anything then it can be a big problem.

andylovesaustin
06-25-2011, 11:21 PM
It's hard to say which comes first (success or self belief) because being a great champion can give you an ego. Let's face it, even if you took someone who was very modest at the beginning, by the time they'd been winning slams for years and had countless people worshipping them like gods they'd start to believe their own hype. They wouldn't be human if they didn't.

I think at the lower levels a big ego tends to hurt players, though. You see it all the time if you play tennis - guys who think they're a lot better than they are going for the big shot every time and failing. You also get the guys who think they're destined for greatness because they won a tournament when they were 15 and end up resting on their laurels and wasting their talent. Basically a big ego and self belief is great when you're Federer or Nadal, but if you have one before you've really achieved anything then it can be a big problem.

See.... I used to believe as you, too.

But you know, I just think you have to visualize yourself being successful--whatever that is. I think there is something to be said for putting it out there in the universe. I'm NOT talking about "bashing" your opponents, but more believing you can win... that being the best you can be is enough. As long as you do your best, then it's enough.

That's what I mean about The Duck. If currently, he is doing his best and still coming up short... then.. hey, he's a professional tennis player, more successful than most. But.. if he's NOT doing his best, that's the problem.

I don't know personally know the guy, so I don't know. As a fan, I just have to believe he's doing his best, and.. that's all I can ask for.

As far as "ego," I just think it's different in the midst of competition than it is dealing with people day to day. I met boxer Jesus Chavez the other night. I swear, he is just a sweetheart outside of the ring. Now, I don't know the guy personally... like I'm not friends with the guy. But I was just very impressed with Jesus as a celebrity. He couldn't do enough for the fans... and for boxing in general.

So.. I'm just saying, in the ring Jesus was a beast. I mean, he's looking to knock-out or be knocked-out, ya know? But outside...what a great guy from my brief observation..

Couldn't ask for a better champion.

p.s. You know... the media is so hard to deal with. Like with the duck, they're going-on about his heart-breaking loss to Roger, blah, blah, blah. Well, hell at least Andy got as far to have that heartbreaking loss to Roger Federer in the finals! LOL! Most players don't get that far. There's just a couple of ways of looking at one--one boosting the "ego," and the other destroying it.

Jamoz
06-25-2011, 11:33 PM
Hmm

DJ Soup
06-26-2011, 12:49 PM
people who complain that Federer is arrogant don't realize he's entirely justified to be so and think so highly about himself. BECAUSE HE PROVED THAT. If you perceive that as arrogant, I rather perceive it as actual HUNGER to keep on winning. Same thing for Nadal.
That HUNGER for more trophies separates them from the rest, and people confuse that with arrogance or a bad ego.

MacTheKnife
06-26-2011, 12:55 PM
If having a big ego means you think you are better than your opponent then yes. You damn well better believe that.

ossie
06-26-2011, 01:02 PM
no, just look at rafa who is as humble as a champion of his stature can get.

Action Jackson
06-26-2011, 01:32 PM
Rain is wet.

Nole fan
06-26-2011, 01:35 PM
Yes it is, Look some Ali videos and you see some HUGE ego (and mouth from the south). These boys are just apprentices with their egos, but all great champions have Big-Huge egos when they do their job and it is needed. In "normal" life they are often quite different.

This.

Getta
06-26-2011, 01:47 PM
not really

sometimes it seems some successful people are arrogant because they have a lot of self-confidence in the belief that they're good and if you happen to be really good at what you do, then believing you are cannot be taken as a sign of arrogance.

this.

Don't think it's necessary, but it sure helps. :)

Having unlimited confidence and self-belief is what you need.

and this.

That and some skill of course, having big ego without anything to back it up would be a major fail :lol:

;)

Yes it is, Look some Ali videos and you see some HUGE ego (and mouth from the south). These boys are just apprentices with their egos, but all great champions have Big-Huge egos when they do their job and it is needed. In "normal" life they are often quite different.

do they have a good possibility of being able to live a normal life?

misty1
06-26-2011, 01:49 PM
having self belief is necessary.

Having a huge ego is unfortunately what comes with success but its definately not something you need to be a champion.

No matter how successful you get its important to try and stay humble

timafi
06-26-2011, 02:04 PM
I'd love for Roddick to have less ego.He has a way to look down at players after running like a headless chicken towards the net post and gets passed over and fucking over only to look at his opponents as if to say how fucking dare you move better and return better than me:facpalm:

Federer unlike Serena Williams is not arrogant but he has belief.
Nadal has fake humility
Djokovic is a little smug fuck
Murray is smug as fuck in the MS facing the top 5 and talks shit but once he has to face them in finals he folks like a tortilla:tape:

MaxPower
06-26-2011, 02:06 PM
How you speak to media and act in public doesn't necessarily say much about their true personality. All the top ATP players are now so schooled in how to deal with fans and media that they are like robots. Even if some ppl make ridiculous claims after certain statements by certain players we usually don't have the whole picture.

What is common for all great champions is that they want to win everything and hate to lose. Some people here talk about self confidence, some about ego/arrogance. Doesn't really matter what it is. Use whatever works. Motivation to become the best and stay the best is what matters and some might be driven by some borderline psychopath vision of their own greatness while others are driven by obsession with a dream they had as kids, another persons greatness they want to surpass or whatever! In the end their private life and personality isn't that interesting to me at least.

BackhandMissile
06-26-2011, 02:25 PM
No it isn't necessary, Nadal is a humble champion.

The boxing example doesn't work either, Manny Pacquiao is also a really humble champion.

Vida
06-26-2011, 02:30 PM
I'd love for Roddick to have less ego.He has a way to look down at players after running like a headless chicken towards the net post and gets passed over and fucking over only to look at his opponents as if to say how fucking dare you move better and return better than me:facpalm:

Federer unlike Serena Williams is not arrogant but he has belief.
Nadal has fake humility
Djokovic is a little smug fuck
Murray is smug as fuck in the MS facing the top 5 and talks shit but once he has to face them in finals he folks like a tortilla:tape:

federer is the worst imho.

the 'how dare you?' look on his face when he gets beat up is just :facepalm: its not an ego, its a mountain.

Orka_n
06-26-2011, 03:06 PM
Not a big ego so much as incredible self belief regardless of evidence to the contrary.Exactly.

DJ Soup
06-26-2011, 08:54 PM
federer is the worst imho.

the 'how dare you?' look on his face when he gets beat up is just :facepalm: its not an ego, its a mountain.

hum, maybe it's YOU fooling yourself into believe that's exactly what it is.

Britain's no.2
06-26-2011, 09:08 PM
what i cant stand about federer is that there's always 'something' thats wrong with him when he loses and feels the need for the press to know about it. Similar to Djokovic although djoko goes a step further and actually just gives up when he cant win. its like its a need to let everyone know why they lost in case they lose respect or whatever. Furthermore i can understand players having initials on their clothes but whenever i see the stylized "RG" a wave of nausea passes through me, and these classic sweaters and trousers that he wears to wimbledon are unnessary, for christ's sake it's not the 1930's. The jumper he got after beating roddick in 09 showing the amount of slams he had now won was aside from enormously big headed, also incredibly disrespectful to roddick.

And then theres his smile, it creeps me out, also the pout he makes when he does a groundstroke- but now im just nitpicking, im sure in private hes fine.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-26-2011, 09:29 PM
Rafa is so nice and he is not arrogant.

oz_boz
06-26-2011, 09:44 PM
A huge belief in your own abilities is necessary, obviously, but a "big ego" for me means somebody who needs to be the center of attention every time - and that is not necessary at all. Borg is a good example of someone who wanted to be the best and play perfect, but never loved the spotlight when it came to talking.

jadey
06-26-2011, 10:32 PM
I dont care if they have egos or not . Most great athletes have big egos
I just dont wanna see blatant arrogance whether its in interviews or wherever , if you have a big ego , fine , but let others say great things about you , dont say them about yourself

Arkulari
06-26-2011, 11:09 PM
I don't believe there is a star sportsman that doesn't have an ego, some have more than others but they are all arrogant in a way, they have to have a HUGE self belief and think that they are better than their rivals, you cannot believe your rival is better than you or you will lose.

EliSter
06-26-2011, 11:11 PM
Rafa is so nice and he is not arrogant.

:haha:

Pirata.
06-26-2011, 11:13 PM
I don't think people hate Federer for his ego

Think of his crying when the lost the AO 2009 final to Rafa, how he could not contain himself. Roddick a few months later endudered a much more painful loss and did not cry like Fed.
When you consider that he is the most successful player ever, his crying, when he wins and falls to his knees crying and when he loses, makes him look not very grown up and effeminate. Cry when your mother dies, not after losing the final of a tournament you have won 3 times already.

And then his purse and jacket.

So what you're saying is that you hate him for being emotional? :rolleyes:


what i cant stand about federer is that there's always 'something' thats wrong with him when he loses and feels the need for the press to know about it.

ROGER does this???? :superlol:

The jumper he got after beating roddick in 09 showing the amount of slams he had now won was aside from enormously big headed, also incredibly disrespectful to roddick.

The funny thing about this is, while I was watching the highlights from the final & trophy ceremony the other day on Tennis Channel, you can't even see the 15 on the jacket. No one even noticed it until Sue Barker pointed it out. It was pretty small. Also, I guess you missed the commercial that Nike aired right after MP when they went to a commercial before the ceremony?

wZo1kOeHB40

Nike had this commercial ready to go immediately after the final, so they were already doing something to play up his breaking the record. Some Nike rep came to hand Fed the jacket after his win, it's not like he traveled to the Nike store and personally hand stitched the '15' on the back of the jacket in advance...

Sunset of Age
06-26-2011, 11:20 PM
what i cant stand about federer is that there's always 'something' thats wrong with him when he loses and feels the need for the press to know about it.

Oh bloody, yes, he's the only one to ever have given an excuse for losing a match, no?

:rolleyes:

yesh222
06-26-2011, 11:33 PM
A huge ego is necessary for some people, not others. I think Federer couldn't be the champ he is without it. Sampras, on the other hand, didn't need it. Everyone's different in personality and mentality and sports stars are no different.

rofe
06-26-2011, 11:34 PM
Yes. Whether you display it or not is an entirely different story.

Arkulari
06-26-2011, 11:48 PM
Yes. Whether you display it or not is an entirely different story.

Exactly.

Kat_YYZ
06-27-2011, 05:52 AM
I think our society is a little bit sick. Everyone can easily recognize a person suffering from low self esteem, but we don't seem to know what to do with healthy self esteem; we label it "arrogance."

If someone compliments your looks, you should deny and downplay it; if someone says you did a good job, you should find a way to give credit to someone else, or say you must've been lucky not to mess it up. It's ridiculous. For some reason, to be content with yourself as you are and proud of your hard work is arrogant. :confused:

For a while, Federer was doing the "aw, shucks, gosh darn, I can't believe I won another slam" routine. At some point (maybe around #9 or #10), I think someone told him 'look, people are going to think this is false modesty, just own your accomplishments and don't worry about the haters." You can't please everyone and some people will always find a reason to dislike you, so just relax and be yourself.

allpro
06-27-2011, 06:44 AM
big balls are necessary to be a great champion.

FerrerAndNadal
06-27-2011, 06:56 AM
Djokovic lacking arrogance and ego?????????

DJ Soup
06-27-2011, 11:50 AM
I think our society is a little bit sick. Everyone can easily recognize a person suffering from low self esteem, but we don't seem to know what to do with healthy self esteem; we label it "arrogance."

If someone compliments your looks, you should deny and downplay it; if someone says you did a good job, you should find a way to give credit to someone else, or say you must've been lucky not to mess it up. It's ridiculous. For some reason, to be content with yourself as you are and proud of your hard work is arrogant. :confused:

For a while, Federer was doing the "aw, shucks, gosh darn, I can't believe I won another slam" routine. At some point (maybe around #9 or #10), I think someone told him 'look, people are going to think this is false modesty, just own your accomplishments and don't worry about the haters." You can't please everyone and some people will always find a reason to dislike you, so just relax and be yourself.

fantastic post bro

jadey
06-27-2011, 11:56 AM
Healthy self esteem is good , that is not arrogance at all. I can tell the difference.

The thing is , if you have self esteem , you wont feel the need to proclaim to everyone that your great because you already know .