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"The French way is to play beautiful strokes, with style and to hit the ball early"

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 04:52 PM
So said Gasquet.

I have to agree with him. Most French tennis players are reknown for their elegance in their game and the innate talent they have.
By contrast to their neighboors, most Spanish players are more known for their grinding, their emphasis on defense and their physical effort. Even though the Spanish style isn't always pretty, it does seem to be more effective in slower conditions -something that's a lot more prevalent nowadays- and thus brings more success overall.
South america in general is a bit of a basket case. Even though clay is the surface where the game is played on, there doesn't seem to be a clear trend in the players that are produced.

In any case, I think it's safe to say a lot of countries have a distinctive tennis school or at least a way of understanding tennis -and that can be seen reflected in the players from their respective nations. Even the national fans seem to reflect that as well. I think this has a lot of do on why a Swiss player like Federer who plays beautiful tennis is so well liked in France, for example.

Priam
06-25-2011, 05:04 PM
Simon didn't get the memo. :lol:

straitup
06-25-2011, 05:07 PM
Hit the ball early? :rolls: Gasquet, Monfils, Simon all stand far behind the baseline...

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 05:09 PM
I think we can generalize that to swiss and italian players too. Big talent reservoirs although unfortunately only one of them has made a clear breakthrough^^

timafi
06-25-2011, 05:12 PM
that's why they've played well on grass with Tauziat making the finals;Grosjean making semis and until Mauresmo who made 3 semifinals and won in 2006 but it stops with Bartoli;Gasquet;Llodra and to some extent Tsonga but the rest of THIS bunch from Mathieu;Simon and Monfils are are crap on grass :shrug:

yuri27
06-25-2011, 05:26 PM
Simon didn't get the memo. :lol:

Nor did Monfils

asmazif
06-25-2011, 05:28 PM
or Chardy

Arkulari
06-25-2011, 05:29 PM
As pretty as they play, it is worthless because they don't have a winning mentality :shrug:

Beforehand
06-25-2011, 05:32 PM
Hit the ball early? :rolls: Gasquet, Monfils, Simon all stand far behind the baseline...

Yeah, my thought was "How can Gasquet possibly hit the ball early from three miles behind the baseline?"

yuri27
06-25-2011, 05:38 PM
Gasquet plays far behind the baseline on clay and on slow hardcourt but on grass and indoor for example,he more often than not takes the ball early and plays much closer to the baseline.

Beforehand
06-25-2011, 05:45 PM
Gasquet plays far behind the baseline on clay and on slow hardcourt but on grass and indoor for example,he more often than not takes the ball early and plays much closer to the baseline.

I haven't gotten to watch much of him at Wimbledon this year, but I was finding how far back he was playing in the moments I saw extremely frustrating.

straitup
06-25-2011, 05:49 PM
Gasquet plays far behind the baseline on clay and on slow hardcourt but on grass and indoor for example,he more often than not takes the ball early and plays much closer to the baseline.

Somewhat true, though even on grass he has had matches where he is far behind the baseline. Like that match against Roddick in 2007(?), he was hitting backhand winners from about 10 feet back.

Clydey
06-25-2011, 05:49 PM
Gasquet stands 4 metres behind the baseline. Is that how we define 'taking the ball early'?

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 06:19 PM
Mathieu is crap everywhere not just grass :lol:

A lot of the current French guys play like shit 90% of the time, then when French events come up, they are suddenly motivated to do well (see Monfils with Roland Garros and Paris-Bercy, even French player at every 250 event in France, etc) Shame half of them don't translate that to the other courts.

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 06:25 PM
french guys seems to think they are gods gift to tennis.

id rather have multiple slam champions like spain than have french flair but always lose.
how long has it been since a frenchman won a slam?

star
06-25-2011, 07:43 PM
What's the percentage of winning for the Spanish guys as compared to the French guys?

I think the Spanish might be satisfied with what they've got.

Also, I don't think that the French just love Federer because of his "beautiful" game. They booed Leconte, and he had a gorgeous game. He didn't win though.

nole_no1
06-25-2011, 08:07 PM
Only Tsonga and Chardy "hit the ball early" and try to play agressive

silverwhite
06-25-2011, 08:24 PM
Gasquet stands 4 metres behind the baseline. Is that how we define 'taking the ball early'?

To be fair to him, he didn't say that he plays the French way :tape:

timafi
06-25-2011, 08:40 PM
french guys seems to think they are gods gift to tennis.

id rather have multiple slam champions like spain than have french flair but always lose.
how long has it been since a frenchman won a slam?

fucker please! it's not as if Ferrer is winning shit
neither is Verdasco or Lopez or Almagro

Verdasco is 27 and has 1 semifinal(2009) in his resume and everyone now knows it was a fluke:tape:
Lopez made it to just 2 Quarterfinals at a major in 2005;2008.
David Ferrer is 29 already and made it to just 2 semifinals in 2007;2011.
Almagro? 2 Quarterfinals
Garcia Lopez? let me know when he gets past the 3th round(best finish) at a slam:tape:

ossie
06-25-2011, 09:37 PM
the french way is to play without balls

Gagsquet
06-25-2011, 09:41 PM
the french way is to play without balls

Your way is to post without brain

GugaF1
06-25-2011, 10:08 PM
Abraxas, why do you have such a beef with Spain? one way or another always find you talking smack about them. Do you want to negate the Macho Latin nature and want to be Swiss or French cutie? show some respect for your Colonoziers and stop biting the hand that fed you. :wavey:

Mungo
06-25-2011, 10:11 PM
So said Gasquet.

I have to agree with him. Most French tennis players are reknown for their elegance in their game and the innate talent they have.
By contrast to their neighboors, most Spanish players are more known for their grinding, their emphasis on defense and their physical effort. Even though the Spanish style isn't always pretty, it does seem to be more effective in slower conditions -something that's a lot more prevalent nowadays- and thus brings more success overall.
South america in general is a bit of a basket case. Even though clay is the surface where the game is played on, there doesn't seem to be a clear trend in the players that are produced.

In any case, I think it's safe to say a lot of countries have a distinctive tennis school or at least a way of understanding tennis -and that can be seen reflected in the players from their respective nations. Even the national fans seem to reflect that as well. I think this has a lot of do on why a Swiss player like Federer who plays beautiful tennis is so well liked in France, for example.

Monfils and Simon are good examples of that. But they're not big chokers, so maybe we shouldn't consider them french at all.

viruzzz
06-25-2011, 10:11 PM
Love french tennis.

But I don't like Pushymon.

GugaF1
06-25-2011, 10:13 PM
the french way is to play without balls

:haha: Love french players but this is funny and true, they lack killer instinct. You got to face the reality in order to get better.

Eliande
06-25-2011, 10:17 PM
french guys seems to think they are gods gift to tennis.



Gasquet IS god's gift to tennis!;)

straitup
06-25-2011, 10:20 PM
Only Tsonga and Chardy "hit the ball early" and try to play agressive

Tsonga yes...Chardy not so much. Chardy's shots have so much wind-up (especially that forehand) that he can make loads of errors if rushed

Mungo
06-25-2011, 10:24 PM
Abraxas, why do you have such a beef with Spain? one way or another always find you talking smack about them. Do you want to negate the Macho Latin nature and want to be Swiss or French cutie? show some respect for your Colonoziers and stop biting the hand that fed you. :wavey:

+1. Did you see abraxas in Fed's box?

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 11:14 PM
Abraxas, why do you have such a beef with Spain? one way or another always find you talking smack about them. Do you want to negate the Macho Latin nature and want to be Swiss or French cutie? show some respect for your Colonoziers and stop biting the hand that fed you. :wavey:

dude, what drugs are you on? i don't know how it is in the little world you have built inside your head but let me tell you, just because i dislike your hero the pig and the regular spanish tennis style, it doesn't mean i dislike spain or that i want to deny the "macho latin nature", if even that sort of thing exists beyond the silly holywood stereotype...

LawrenceOfTennis
06-25-2011, 11:46 PM
Who gives a flying fu*k how beautiful is their game and style when they are not able to win a slam.

timafi
06-25-2011, 11:47 PM
Who gives a flying fu*k how beautiful is their game and style when they are not able to win a slam.

you got lucky and won 1 but don't push it bitch!

Roddickominator
06-26-2011, 12:00 AM
I guess Federer is the most French player going by these criteria. None of the actual French players really have all of these attributes themselves....though Gasquet could if he'd play close to the baseline more often. Tsonga does take the ball early, but he is a bit too brutish to have an elegant game.

Helevorn
06-26-2011, 12:03 AM
how long has it been since a frenchman won a slam?

In the entire Open Era France has achieved only one Slam victory, Yannick Noah in 1983 (def. Mats Wilander 6–2, 7–5, 7–6).

GugaF1
06-26-2011, 12:18 AM
dude, what drugs are you on? i don't know how it is in the little world you have built inside your head but let me tell you, just because i dislike your hero the pig and the regular spanish tennis style, it doesn't mean i dislike spain or that i want to deny the "macho latin nature", if even that sort of thing exists beyond the silly holywood stereotype...

I am joking with you and your tennis elitism of how tennis is supposed to be played. Stereotype is what you do with what is supposed to be classy and universially liked above other styles. To compare the Spanish and French tennis school is just silly, tennis is very popular in France problably the most popular tennis place in the world. Yet, they have a hard time producing consistent top 10 players at best, no to mention serious results aside from the DC. Where Spain is a factory house of Champions and N.1 players for the last decades.

And now you are trying to say what, that the beauty is above it? even putting the swiss in it, give me a break yeah I enjoy the French flair style, but there is no comparison in terms of expression. They are even behind Argentina over the last deacde in terms of results. Flair only goes so far, and I saw even an interview from Leconte before RG mentioning this about French tennis and their difficulties dealing with pressure, strong results etc.

Time Violation
06-26-2011, 12:24 AM
Who gives a flying fu*k how beautiful is their game and style when they are not able to win a slam.

QFT :)

guy in sf
06-26-2011, 12:31 AM
I also find it funny that Gasquet thinks the French style is to hit the ball early when he stands 2 swimming pools behind the baseline. Someone should really tell him that he's not being faithful to his french style because if he were to change his forehand and really hit early and stand closer to the baseline then he could be a such a force on both sides. We all already know about his deadly bh!

Agrajag
06-26-2011, 12:39 AM
Who gives a flying fu*k how beautiful is their game and style when they are not able to win a slam.

I do, and I am sure I'm not alone. Given the option I always watch guys like Mika, Flo and Picasso instead of the top players. If Nadal vs Djokovic is the final next week, I will not be watching.

Har-Tru
06-26-2011, 12:39 AM
They lose pretty.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-26-2011, 12:46 AM
I do, and I am sure I'm not alone. Given the option I always watch guys like Mika, Flo and Picasso instead of the top players. If Nadal vs Djokovic is the final next week, I will not be watching.

I would hate that final too.

andylovesaustin
06-26-2011, 12:46 AM
They lose pretty.

BWAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolls:

abraxas21
06-26-2011, 03:04 AM
I am joking with you and your tennis elitism of how tennis is supposed to be played. Stereotype is what you do with what is supposed to be classy and universially liked above other styles. To compare the Spanish and French tennis school is just silly, tennis is very popular in France problably the most popular tennis place in the world. Yet, they have a hard time producing consistent top 10 players at best, no to mention serious results aside from the DC. Where Spain is a factory house of Champions and N.1 players for the last decades.

And now you are trying to say what, that the beauty is above it? even putting the swiss in it, give me a break yeah I enjoy the French flair style, but there is no comparison in terms of expression. They are even behind Argentina over the last deacde in terms of results. Flair only goes so far, and I saw even an interview from Leconte before RG mentioning this about French tennis and their difficulties dealing with pressure, strong results etc.

well, nadal basically put down entire eras of tennis just because he doesn't like the serve and volley style and i didn't see you whining...

tektonac
06-26-2011, 03:11 AM
French cheese is good and wine too.

GugaF1
06-26-2011, 04:41 AM
If you talk about flair and style alone I much prefer a Moya or a Ferrero, certainly compared to most Frenchies, they have a nice style and with substantial results too. And Spaniards have their share of players with nice flair who didn't win big, Corretja was big time (although he was a true top contender) Verdasco, Almagro nowdays, weather you like their personas or not is hard to deny that they have nice games with great stroke mechanics.

I really hope France makes a big time top player, but in the near future is hard to see Gasquet, Monfils, Tsonga, Simon just doesn't look like it. At best they could get close to a Gorsjean, who is problably the best French player in more than 10 years or since Pioline.

green25814
06-26-2011, 05:39 AM
What I like about French tennis is that nearly all seem to be very distinctive in terms of style, every French player is very different. The Spanish tend to produce clones.

I don't agree that the French hit the ball early however, maybe the older ones but Gasquet Monfils etc are miles behind the baseline for the most part.

Very few young players take the ball early these days, its a rare trait to have.

I also still believe that Tsonga will be the most successful out of the current crop

Gasquet maybe but he has serious holes in his game, not nearly as complete a player as some people make out

Deivid23
06-26-2011, 05:47 AM
I also find it funny that Gasquet thinks the French style is to hit the ball early when he stands 2 swimming pools behind the baseline.

:haha: That was funny, well played

orangehat
06-26-2011, 07:26 AM
Verdasco, Almagro weather you like their personas or not is hard to deny that they have nice games with great stroke mechanics.


:tape::tape: you cannot be serious.

verdasco i can still excuse, almagro undoubtedly has one of the ugliest forehands (only cilic can compete). his serve ain't pretty either.

Arkulari
06-26-2011, 08:14 AM
In the entire Open Era France has achieved only one Slam victory, Yannick Noah in 1983 (def. Mats Wilander 6–2, 7–5, 7–6).

Spain has 17 in the Open Era , so I don't think we're as bad as France are, and yes, we might only get GS by Rafa now but come on, between Roger and him they have won the last 7 RG and 8 Wimbledon, it's not as if this is an era on which everyone can win a Slam :rolleyes:

Also, we have 14 players in the top 100, France has 9.