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Whoever beats Soderling has been winning RG/W for the last 3 years

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:28 AM
ok this appeared interesting to me. The guy who defeats Soderling has been the winner at Roland Garros and Wimbledon for the last three years.

RG 2009: Fed (beat Sod in F)
W 2009: Fed (beat Sod in 4R)
RG 2010: Rafa (beat Sod in F)
W 2010: Rafa (beat Sod in QF)
RG 2011: Rafa (beat SOd in QF)
W 2011: ????

This is really freaky. SOderling is drawn to meet Novak in the QF. Novak should win and based on the above he could win W this year??

Looks like the path to RG or W glory has lately been going through Robin Soderling.

Hola Mr. SK
06-25-2011, 03:33 AM
Interesting,so Novak wins 2011 wimbledon. Affirmative.
No kidding,he's going to win it all,imo.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:34 AM
Tomic should read this thread :) Could pump him up.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:35 AM
Interesting,so Novak wins 2011 wimbledon. Affirmative.
No kidding,he's going to win it all,imo.

I cant see Novak beating Fed at WImbledon. He could but I dont think so. But yeah the Soderling Factor suggests that if Novak beats him then he should win ;)

Hola Mr. SK
06-25-2011, 03:35 AM
Tomic should read this thread :) Could pump him up.
:haha:

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 03:37 AM
thank you, I will go bet my life savings on the Nole win now. :p

Hola Mr. SK
06-25-2011, 03:40 AM
I cant see Novak beating Fed at WImbledon. He could but I dont think so. But yeah the Soderling Factor suggests that if Novak beats him then he should win ;)
Fed is going down to indoor master Nalbandian today! ;)
Seriously, if they meet in SF, it largely depends on Novak's confidence in beating Fed,and I believe he's ready this time. No extra burdon in keeping a winning record like in RG.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:40 AM
Rafa and Fed after reading my thread were last seen negotiating with Novak to swap his QF spot with them. They know they gotta beat Sod to win W. Murray not to be left behind was seen running frenetically looking for Novak too.

Soda conspiring to lose to Tomic tomorrow to screw the big 4.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:42 AM
Fed is going down to indoor master Nalbandian today! :p
Seriously, if they meet in SF, it largely depends on Novak's confidence in beating Fed,and I believe he's ready this time. No extra burdon in keeping a winning record like in RG.

Yeah but Fed on grass is a different animal. The bounces are low and Fed will slice and dice him. If Novak beats Sod then maybe just maybe the SOD factor sees him through.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:44 AM
thank you, I will go bet my life savings on the Nole win now. :p

wait until QF and NOvak beats Sod. If Sod loses to Tomic then we gonna see Tomic pull a Boris Becker on us...:)

FerrerAndNadal
06-25-2011, 03:45 AM
Tomic 2011 Wimbledon Champion

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 03:56 AM
wait until QF and NOvak beats Sod. If Sod loses to Tomic then we gonna see Tomic pull a Boris Becker on us...:)

I was kidding... I don't have any savings! :lol:

:sad:

MIMIC
06-25-2011, 04:01 AM
So Nadal is going to beat Soderling in the finals? :sad:

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 04:07 AM
Sod is in Novak's quarter :lol:

MIMIC
06-25-2011, 04:09 AM
Sod is in Novak's quarter :lol:

I know :sad:

Ori
06-25-2011, 11:41 AM
Sod is in Novak's quarter :lol:

Who said that Sod wont beat the djoker though? :devil:
Now Sod is gonna screw us all and lose to Tomic today...

Certinfy
06-25-2011, 12:25 PM
LOL Hewitt was only a few games away from winning another GS :lol:

samanosuke
06-25-2011, 12:26 PM
whoever beats Federer has been winning 95% of slams in last 7 years

MaxPower
06-25-2011, 12:29 PM
Says more about Soderlings draws than anything else. Seems like he was always drawn against Fed/Nadal when they were at their hottest and now that Djokovic is on fire of course he got drawn against him in Wimbledon.

Who knows how many more SFs+ Soderling could have had in slams if he for once got lets say Murray in RG/Wimbledon

romismak
06-25-2011, 12:49 PM
This is really joke of a thread.... Whoeever beat Sodrling... i can find someone for AO, for US open and so on who was beaten and that player won tournament - and beat this guy n 1R, 2R.... about RG - 2X finalist so logically who beat finalist is winner and about Wimbledon only 2 years and players that beat him won tournament, because the other one wasn´t there i mean Roger beat him when Nadal wasn´t playing and Nadal beat him when Federer had worst Wimby ever and loose to Berdych. It means totally nothing about Soderling...

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 12:53 PM
:scared:

Saberq
06-25-2011, 01:01 PM
Says more about Soderlings draws than anything else. Seems like he was always drawn against Fed/Nadal when they were at their hottest and now that Djokovic is on fire of course he got drawn against him in Wimbledon.

Who knows how many more SFs+ Soderling could have had in slams if he for once got lets say Murray in RG/Wimbledon

Hey Max my man you are vastly overrating Soderling as a player...He cant beat Murray in a Slam....And what if Andy never met Federer or Nadal or Djokovic in SF,F stages he would have 3 GS by now....Soderling is a 2nd class tennis player(with no class at all) at best...Players like him should not win Slams...Leave that to Big 4...They have game,aura,style,swager...

LawrenceOfTennis
06-25-2011, 01:04 PM
Says more about Soderlings draws than anything else. Seems like he was always drawn against Fed/Nadal when they were at their hottest and now that Djokovic is on fire of course he got drawn against him in Wimbledon.

Who knows how many more SFs+ Soderling could have had in slams if he for once got lets say Murray in RG/Wimbledon

Agree.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:08 PM
This is really joke of a thread.... Whoeever beat Sodrling... i can find someone for AO, for US open and so on who was beaten and that player won tournament - and beat this guy n 1R, 2R.... about RG - 2X finalist so logically who beat finalist is winner and about Wimbledon only 2 years and players that beat him won tournament, because the other one wasn´t there i mean Roger beat him when Nadal wasn´t playing and Nadal beat him when Federer had worst Wimby ever and loose to Berdych. It means totally nothing about Soderling...

take it easy. Its not a sure shot prediction but I thought atleast was interesting how things played out on the natural surface slams consistently for 3 years. Better thread than the usual hate threads. If you had to write 6 lines to state your claim its a joke of a thread then I guess it aint that much of a joke.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:10 PM
LOL Hewitt was only a few games away from winning another GS :lol:

atleast someone has a sense of humour on this thread.

But hey - thats why Hewitt couldnt win coz soderling wouldn't lose to someone who didnt have the ability to win the tournament.

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:15 PM
Says more about Soderlings draws than anything else. Seems like he was always drawn against Fed/Nadal when they were at their hottest and now that Djokovic is on fire of course he got drawn against him in Wimbledon.

Who knows how many more SFs+ Soderling could have had in slams if he for once got lets say Murray in RG/Wimbledon

not really champ. Sod was drawn in Rafa's at FO 2009 and Feds in FO 2010. He did beat them now didnt he? Well the sod factor should inspire Novak if nothing else. Sod is like that fifth wheel that wont really be needed but hey atleast he is serving some predictive purpose in the natural surface slams for several years now. Why would this trend not continue in 2011 wimbledon. I hope it doenst continue if sod loses to novak. :)

MaxPower
06-25-2011, 03:26 PM
not really champ. Sod was drawn in Rafa's at FO 2009 and Feds in FO 2010. He did beat them now didnt he? Well the sod factor should inspire Novak if nothing else. Sod is like that fifth wheel that wont really be needed but hey atleast he is serving some predictive purpose in the natural surface slams for several years now. Why would this trend not continue in 2011 wimbledon. I hope it doenst continue if sod loses to novak. :)

Yeah but you can't look at it that way. Just because he stepped up big time in RG doesn't mean it didn't suck to get drawn against them AGAIN. Clay isn't Soderlings best surface. He's had so many runs in US Open destroyed by Fed for example and Wimbledon runs destroyed by Fed/Nadal. Any player drawn against Fed/Nadal in QF or earlier have pretty much lost. Soderling is one of few that had the balls to defeat both of them in slams. Berdych can join him if he takes out Nadal now in Wimbledon

In fact Soderling hasn't lost to anyone but Federer/Nadal in slams (excluding AO where he can't handle the heat) in a long time now. RG/Wimbledon/USO. All Fedal defeats. You would expect him to get Murray/Djokovic much more frequently the coming years

Manequin75
06-25-2011, 03:33 PM
Yeah but you can't look at it that way. Just because he stepped up big time in RG doesn't mean it didn't suck to get drawn against them AGAIN. Clay isn't Soderlings best surface. He's had so many runs in US Open destroyed by Fed for example and Wimbledon runs destroyed by Fed/Nadal. Any player drawn against Fed/Nadal in QF or earlier have pretty much lost. Soderling is one of few that had the balls to defeat both of them in slams. Berdych can join him if he takes out Nadal now in Wimbledon

In fact Soderling hasn't lost to anyone but Federer/Nadal in slams (excluding AO where he can't handle the heat) in a long time now. RG/Wimbledon/USO. All Fedal defeats. You would expect him to get Murray/Djokovic much more frequently the coming years

yeah but in us open he hasnt lost to the eventual champ. he lost to fed last year in us open but rafa won it. the point made here is that on natural slams he has lost to the champion for 3 years and 5 consecutive rg/w slams. any other similar active trend you can find at other slams?

Hian-GOAT
06-25-2011, 03:37 PM
Robin makes you give yourself during the match. It's hard to say why.. it's like he wants the best from you, that's why everybody who beats him becomes the winner.
Soda > Coca :p

Orka_n
06-25-2011, 03:49 PM
Hey Max my man you are vastly overrating Soderling as a player...He cant beat Murray in a Slam....And what if Andy never met Federer or Nadal or Djokovic in SF,F stages he would have 3 GS by now....Soderling is a 2nd class tennis player(with no class at all) at best...Players like him should not win Slams...Leave that to Big 4...They have game,aura,style,swager...Because Murray is such a slam monster? :haha: Give me a break. The term "big 4" is retarded to begin with and it sure doesn't apply to slams.

ZaZoo)
06-25-2011, 03:55 PM
LOL Hewitt was only a few games away from winning another GS :lol:

Well what do you know.. :lol:

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 04:03 PM
do you know who didn't win RG and wim last 3 years? the players that were beaten by robin soderling:worship::worship:

viruzzz
06-25-2011, 04:16 PM
But first, Robin needs to be beaten.
Robin will win Wimbledon bageling Djoko, Fed and Rafa.
And then he'll play Sampras AND Agassi in a 2 vs 1 men over-final (An over-final gives 5000 points).
Then he's traveling back in time and defeating Tilden at the USO.
Borg at RG and Wimbledon.
Laver in every-single-surface.
Tomic and Dimitrov 5 years later.

And finally, he's traveling to 2080, where all players are Federer clones, and defeating 7 Prime-Time Federers in his way to another Wimbledon title.

!VamosRafa!
06-25-2011, 05:38 PM
Beating Soderling or not, Djokovic is still the HUGE favorite to win this lousy tournament.

Aenea
06-25-2011, 05:40 PM
it would be very funny if Tomic won Wimbledon this year beating all the top players in the process :lol:

gulzhan
06-25-2011, 05:46 PM
it would be very funny if Tomic won Wimbledon this year beating all the top players in the process :lol:

Just what I thought watching Tomic now :rolls:

RoddickFan.
06-25-2011, 06:00 PM
Well it looks like Tomic will be winning Wimbledon this year:o

Brick Top
06-25-2011, 06:15 PM
Congratz to Tomic on his first grand slam title

ossie
06-25-2011, 06:15 PM
looks like tomic will be winning wimbledon this year :haha:

FerrerAndNadal
06-25-2011, 08:58 PM
Bernard Tomic 2011 Wimbledon Champion

Hola Mr. SK
06-25-2011, 11:52 PM
:haha:

LawrenceOfTennis
06-26-2011, 12:05 AM
looks like tomic will be winning wimbledon this year :haha:

Even the joke is a joke.

Chase Visa
06-26-2011, 12:49 AM
If Tomic wins Wimbledon I'll run nude in the city.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-26-2011, 12:51 AM
If Tomic wins Wimbledon I'll run nude in the city.

You will be on a safe ground. He won't win. If he wins Wimbledon I will never watch a tennis match ever again.

TMJordan
06-26-2011, 12:53 AM
Means nothing, Soderling is a big time mug these days.

Ravel
06-26-2011, 12:54 AM
This trend only applies if Soderling loses 4th round or up ;)

Or, maybe it just means whoever's quarter/half he ends up in wins :lol:

emotion
06-26-2011, 12:58 AM
i might kill myself

Jamoz
06-26-2011, 01:14 AM
We all hail our new wimby overlord :worship:

Raiden
06-26-2011, 03:53 AM
Tomic doesn't count cuz he didn't properly beat Soderling but just happens to be the random benefactor of the food-poisoning of Soderling who consumed Wimbledon ground provided meal which was cooked with "Murray-should-be-champion" ingredients.

Manequin75
06-26-2011, 03:55 AM
On the face of it Tomic has the SOD factor in his favor now and someone should remind him that Soderling's conqueror has been the W or FO champ last 3 years.

However this was just the third round and in all sense it was an UPSET. The trend calls for a top elite player (one of the favorites) beating soderling and winning the slam :) Now we have a youngster who did it so the SOD factor bets seem off LOL

Now who the hell knows who is gonna win wimbledon.

I think we can safely close this thread now. It will be vindicated if Tomic actually shocks us all on July 3 :)

SerialKillerToBe
06-26-2011, 03:57 AM
You will be on a safe ground. He won't win. If he wins Wimbledon I will never watch a tennis match ever again.

What the heck do people want? They don't want the top 4 to win. They don't unseeded players to win. So what?

Manequin75
06-26-2011, 03:58 AM
If Tomic wins Wimbledon I'll run nude in the city.

city should be praying that Tomic doesnt win then :)

MIMIC
06-26-2011, 04:58 AM
The pattern has been broken (obviously).

yesh222
06-26-2011, 05:04 AM
That's a great thing for Soderling to claim. It won't last past this Wimbledon though.

Dund
06-26-2011, 06:10 AM
What the heck do people want? They don't want the top 4 to win. They don't unseeded players to win. So what?
Exactly, Tomic winning Wimbledon would be a massive story and something different from just the top guys winning all the time. He won't win, but people saying it wouldn't be a good thing for someone other than the main contenders to win are just being ridiculous.

Pirata.
06-26-2011, 06:15 AM
It wouldn't be a good thing in the sense that Tomic is an arrogant little git, much like young Novak (who at least somewhat had the talent to back up his cockiness)

But overall, it would be good for a youngster to win a slam.

Certinfy
06-26-2011, 12:29 PM
As much as I'm not a fan of Tomic, would definitely prefer him somehow taking Wimbledon over a Federer or Nadal. :o

Dougie
06-26-2011, 12:33 PM
Can´t see how some surprise-name winning a GS would hurt the game. Tomic won´t win it, but if he did, how would it be worse than Fed or Nadal taking the title?:confused:

Pirata.
06-27-2011, 02:13 AM
Means nothing, Soderling is a big time mug these days.

The stats don't lie :shrug:

BULLZ1LLA
06-27-2011, 02:18 AM
(If Tomic wins this title he will have defeated Soderling, Djak, Federer and Rafa in the most famous event in the world. That would be the all-time most convincing slam performance by far, and an arrival more convincing than that of Tiger Woods)

Hewitt =Legend
06-27-2011, 04:26 AM
It wouldn't be a good thing in the sense that Tomic is an arrogant little git, much like young Novak (who at least somewhat had the talent to back up his cockiness)

But overall, it would be good for a youngster to win a slam.

I agree that Bernard isn't the humblest of guys, but he is still young and maturing. Many teenagers are like that and to say he doesn't have talent is just plain wrong. He knows the game and has the tools that can't be taught.

Also, do you remember what Federer was like when he was the same age?

ballbasher101
06-27-2011, 10:40 AM
Tomic :worship:. He will win a major one day but not this year.

BULLZ1LLA
06-27-2011, 10:48 AM
(Tomic will take over from Rafa at number one in a few years)

Chase Visa
06-27-2011, 01:20 PM
Tomic will be top 10 by the end of 2012. Mark my words.

BULLZ1LLA
06-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Tomic will be top 10 by the end of 2012. Mark my words.

(No doubt about it)

careergrandslam
06-27-2011, 01:59 PM
tomic is a future number 1 and future slam winner.

tomic could win a slam before murray!

ZaZoo)
06-27-2011, 03:30 PM
Tomic looking good for the title so far.

Pirata.
06-27-2011, 04:52 PM
Also, do you remember what Federer was like when he was the same age?

Good point :lol:

Sapeod
06-27-2011, 05:20 PM
tomic is a future number 1 and future slam winner.

tomic could win a slam before murray!
:spit: I was about to ask if you were serious, but I already know you are, which makes it even funnier :spit:

Guy Haines
06-27-2011, 07:07 PM
I had no idea the Wimbledon Chef was going to win this year's Gentlemen's singles title.

He or she might as well, considering the personalities on parade today. Some great tennis being played though.