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hipolymer
06-25-2011, 12:44 AM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable"

"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx


Coming from a very unorthodox tennis player to say that the previous eras weren't tennis...

:smash:

Kworb
06-25-2011, 12:48 AM
Wow. :help: I mean I agree that a match between two all serve players like Sampras and Ivanisevic is boring, but it's not like the past decades were filled with guys like that.

Jamoz
06-25-2011, 12:50 AM
That is his opinion and we all know that opinions are like a-holes, we all have one.

guga2120
06-25-2011, 12:50 AM
I don't think tennis in the 90's was bad to watch, but watching two big servers like Pete when he played Goran in 98, was :zzz:

When either one of them played a good returner like Andre, it was great.

Topspin Forehand
06-25-2011, 12:52 AM
He is right. Tennis is much more enjoyable now.

djb84xi
06-25-2011, 12:53 AM
To an extent, I believe that too, because he's right, in previous eras, the rallies and points weren't constructed nearly as well, and weren't as exciting as they are today. That may have something to do with the fact that players of previous eras also didn't have the same type of technology within their racquets as today's players do.

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 12:53 AM
:spit:
Some rare insight into his thoughts, and it's not pretty :tape:

Corey Feldman
06-25-2011, 12:55 AM
listen to these words from moonball, moonball, moonball

goran-sampras matches had plenty of serve volleying in there

misty1
06-25-2011, 12:56 AM
lol, yeah okay

he's entitled to his oppinion but i definately do not agree

saying that every tennis fan enjoys watching the tennis being played in this era is just rediculous

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 12:57 AM
I'm so excited to see samanosuke's response to this :worship:

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 12:59 AM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable"

"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx


Coming from a very unorthodox tennis player to say that the previous eras weren't tennis...

:smash:

what an humble champion he is... disregarding over 95% of the history of tennis just to glorify his style, his achievements and his era. seriously, just a couple of hours ago, i was thinking i had been way too harsh with this guy but when he pulls up crap like this, i can see quite clearly i was right all along.

TennisOnWood
06-25-2011, 01:00 AM
Here it comes

Corey Feldman
06-25-2011, 01:01 AM
who does that all running moonball, think he is

Orka_n
06-25-2011, 01:03 AM
http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/page/970.jpg

Tom Paulman
06-25-2011, 01:03 AM
He and his opinions are the biggest catasthrophy that is happening to tennis

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 01:05 AM
It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis.

Unbelievable.

Yeah, 30-shot rallies and baseline ball bashing with 95% of the tour playing the same way is totally interesting to watch :rolleyes:

Shut your mouth and stop with these arrogant comments, Rafa, you're starting to sound like Roger on a bad day and that is not a compliment.

Certinfy
06-25-2011, 01:07 AM
He finds moonballing enjoyable, nuff said.

fast_clay
06-25-2011, 01:09 AM
nice quip from the kid whose style was based on a 1970's video game...

yep... ol' tio toni sure could smash the fuck out of Pong in his day...

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/pong1.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/250px-PongVideoGameCabinet.jpg

guga2120
06-25-2011, 01:09 AM
Shut your mouth and stop with these arrogant comments, Rafa, you're starting to sound like Roger on a bad day and that is not a compliment.

Oh come on you can't insult Rafa, like that.

Nasi
06-25-2011, 01:11 AM
... Wow, Rafa. Just, wow.

Jamoz
06-25-2011, 01:11 AM
Both men have huuuge egos (Fed&Nad) We are the greatest and in greatest era, no? :cheerleader:

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 01:13 AM
Oh come on you can't insult Rafa, like that.

:lol:

Seriously though, this is the kind of arrogant thing Roger is criticised for (and rightly so sometimes) No need for Rafa to dismiss the accomplishments of former greats because he doesn't like their playing style. It may be objective, but not an opinion a guy in his position needs to state.

misty1
06-25-2011, 01:14 AM
he's not dimismissing their accomplishments he's just saying they werent fun to watch which is pure b.s

without doubt this is one of the dullest eras

if he thinks guys like him are exceiting to watch he's deeply mistaken

Dini
06-25-2011, 01:16 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Orka_n
06-25-2011, 01:21 AM
Finally the "humble champion" shows the public a little of his true self.

Nasi
06-25-2011, 01:23 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Are you saying Rafa would be criticized if he said previous eras were enjoyable to watch? I don't really think he would be. I always kind of assumed that current players enjoyed watching tennis when they were growing up.

misty1
06-25-2011, 01:23 AM
lol, it kind of makes no sense what he said

he has idols that he watched when he grew up but..what he didnt enjoy watching them play?

Sham Kay
06-25-2011, 01:28 AM
We'd criticise Nadal and other tennis players if they proposed world peace, so this isn't surprising.

JanKowalski
06-25-2011, 01:31 AM
"It's not really tennis"

Nadal has finally shown his true face. Really disgusting comment from the World No. 1. Fed would never disrespect past champions like that.

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 01:31 AM
lol, it kind of makes no sense what he said

he has idols that he watched when he grew up but..what he didnt enjoy watching them play?

nadal has said he had no idol growing up.
he has said this many times.
only moya was like a mentor to him.

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 01:34 AM
nadal has said he had no idol growing up.
he has said this many times.
only moya was like a mentor to him.

Rafa has actually said several times in the past that he admires Sampras and Agassi.

rafa_maniac
06-25-2011, 01:37 AM
:lol: I also prefer this era to the 90s servefests but that was a pretty stupid way to word it Rafa.

Mungo
06-25-2011, 01:37 AM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable"

"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx


Coming from a very unorthodox tennis player to say that the previous eras weren't tennis...

:smash:

Your thread title is not what Nadal said, mug. Get a brain. If you want to bash Nadal try a new one. He just said that the serve contests at Wimbledon i.e. Sampras-Ivanisevic were boring to watch because there was no game outside the serve, which even a 6 year old kid could notice. Of course current tennis is more enjoyable than those serve contests. But I guess some idiots will follow you like sheep.

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 01:37 AM
:lol:

Seriously though, this is the kind of arrogant thing Roger is criticised for (and rightly so sometimes) No need for Rafa to dismiss the accomplishments of former greats because he doesn't like their playing style. It may be objective, but not an opinion a guy in his position needs to state.

Roger might be criticized for sounding too in love with his own abilities, but he'd never say anything like that about a previous era, especially naming players. He's resisted interviewers attempts to get him to say he's better than Sampras or Connors or Laver... or anyone, really.

Rafa :smash:

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 01:38 AM
thankyou rafa!

finally u put these all serve bots in their place.

i think i need to downgrade sampras from 3rd GOAT to 4th GOAT.

rafa has changed my mind.

what rafa said is 1000000000000000000000000000000000% true.

no respect for those guys that can only serve. its all serve and nothing else.

i love u even more now.

sampras shows no respect for rafas game, neither does the haters, rafa fires back his frst shot at the haters.
u put sampras on a slower court and he turns into a chump.

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 01:40 AM
:lol: I also prefer this era to the 90s servefests but that was a pretty stupid way to word it Rafa.

bullshit.

he said it in a blunt way that will hurt the haters.
he needed to say it this way.

goooooooooooooooo rafa.

MIMIC
06-25-2011, 01:45 AM
I agree with him but I definitely don't enjoy HIS particular brand of tennis :cool:

Sunset of Age
06-25-2011, 01:53 AM
:haha::haha::haha::haha: Yeah, lots of trolls, goblins and ogres here.

Absolutely, my advice = get used to it... :help:

BTW, nothing wrong with what Rafa said, why has this become an 'item' at all? :confused:

GOAT = Fed
06-25-2011, 01:53 AM
Your thread title is not what Nadal said, mug. Get a brain. If you want to bash Nadal try a new one. He just said that the serve contests at Wimbledon i.e. Sampras-Ivanisevic were boring to watch because there was no game outside the serve, which even a 6 year old kid could notice. Of course current tennis is more enjoyable than those serve contests. But I guess some idiots will follow you like sheep.

Nadal believes previous eras are not enjoyable to watch

Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable

Blinded by the rafa love, no?

Art&Soul
06-25-2011, 01:56 AM
Nadull who has the most boring and ugly style shows his true face again. What an arrogance moonballer :stupid:

FlameOn
06-25-2011, 02:03 AM
I agree with Rafa. I prefer rallies to serve and volley. :p

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 02:04 AM
thankyou rafa!

finally u put these all serve bots in their place.

i think i need to downgrade sampras from 3rd GOAT to 4th GOAT.

rafa has changed my mind.

what rafa said is 1000000000000000000000000000000000% true.

no respect for those guys that can only serve. its all serve and nothing else.

i love u even more now.

sampras shows no respect for rafas game, neither does the haters, rafa fires back his frst shot at the haters.
u put sampras on a slower court and he turns into a chump.
you change your mind every 5 minutes so that's not saying much.

FlameOn
06-25-2011, 02:05 AM
And I knew haters would all gather to this thread like flies onto shit. :yawn:

GrantOz44
06-25-2011, 02:09 AM
I'm not here to give my opinion. I'm here to tell you all to grow up. No one is right or wrong. You're all losing your shit over nothing. Everyone enjoys something different. Imagine if there was a predetermined perfect way to play this game. It would be boring. Variety is what keeps it entertaining. Get over it.

Arkulari
06-25-2011, 02:12 AM
I agree with Rafa there, I was attending tennis a lot back in the mid/late 90's and dear God some of these matchups were boring; I still remember the '96 Wimbledon final and it was a complete disgrace, Krajicek made Karlovic look like Federer in the variety department :o

I loved Rafter because he was less about serving and more about volleying.

Clay was more entertaining back then because some guys came out of nowhere and won tournaments, there was more competition but in general I prefer the baseline game with rallies than acing machines making every match a TB competition

LinkMage
06-25-2011, 02:16 AM
Nadull talking about enjoyable tennis when his tennis is the ugliest and most boring of all time? :stupid:

Britain's no.2
06-25-2011, 02:17 AM
Rafas got a point, Sampras matches were dull, he managed to make half of wimbledon boring for almost a decade im glad rafas speaking his mind, maybe he'll start to ditch the whole "yes hes no.133 in the world so i have to play my best no?" etc, hes still a long way off from feds "god im wonderful look at my lovely cardigan with my initials and the amount of cool trophies ive won" :o

NadalPhan
06-25-2011, 02:18 AM
Funny thing is he'd actually be criticized as well if he were to say the opposite. People would just criticize him for not saying what he "truly believes". Remember all the heat caught from here when he tried distancing himself as the favorite in Roland Garros by saying Novak is the best player today and Federer is the best player of all time? Also when he said he doesn't think him playing at his best would be enough to take Federer the way he's playing.


Some food for thought.

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 02:26 AM
No one would criticize Rafa for saying that he enjoyed previous tennis eras :shrug:

NadalPhan
06-25-2011, 02:32 AM
No one would criticize Rafa for saying that he enjoyed previous tennis eras :shrug:

The haters sure would find a way to do it. Trust me, I know

Jamoz
06-25-2011, 02:36 AM
Haters here haters there, haters bloody everywhere :boxing: It's only tennis and opinions...

Johnny Groove
06-25-2011, 02:39 AM
As if we needed another "let's all bash Nadal" thread.

Saberq
06-25-2011, 02:41 AM
I dont like the guy but he is right...Serve and volley is not tennis it is bullshit...That is why in my eyes Laver is nobody...Anything played before say 1975 is bad and before 1990 mediocre...Today's tennis is much more fun...It's was always meant to be played from the baseline

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 02:42 AM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable"

"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx


Coming from a very unorthodox tennis player to say that the previous eras weren't tennis...

:smash:

Nadal telling it like it is. Nobody enjoyed watching all serve clowns serving aces all match. Tennis is 100x more enjoyable now. You MUST play well from the baseline to succeed. Not rush the net all the time.

Matt01
06-25-2011, 02:43 AM
As far as Sampras and Ivanivisevic and their matches are concerned, Rafa is of course totally right.


I agree with Rafa there, I was attending tennis a lot back in the mid/late 90's and dear God some of these matchups were boring; I still remember the '96 Wimbledon final and it was a complete disgrace, Krajicek made Karlovic look like Federer in the variety department :o

I loved Rafter because he was less about serving and more about volleying.

Clay was more entertaining back then because some guys came out of nowhere and won tournaments, there was more competition but in general I prefer the baseline game with rallies than acing machines making every match a TB competition


Exactly. Same here.

tangerine_dream
06-25-2011, 02:46 AM
Finally the "humble champion" shows the public a little of his true self.
It's about time. I'm so bored of players being PC all the time, afraid of having an opinion for fear of offending a flea.

I hope Rafa shares more of his opinions with us, it makes him a more interesting person. :)

"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable."

What's wrong with this statement? Watching two big servers ace one another and every set going to a TB because they can't return gets dull after a while. It works better if the players are opposites. That's why Sampras-Agassi was a great match-up.

Watching two s/v players is dull too. Federer-Henman was great to watch because they were opposites.

General Suburbia
06-25-2011, 02:46 AM
I fear for the intelligence MTF when its average person's reading comprehension is that of a 10 year old. Rafa said nothing about previous eras in general, he was talking specifically about the serve-fests between players like Goran and Pete.

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 02:48 AM
I agree with Rafa there, I was attending tennis a lot back in the mid/late 90's and dear God some of these matchups were boring; I still remember the '96 Wimbledon final and it was a complete disgrace, Krajicek made Karlovic look like Federer in the variety department :o

I loved Rafter because he was less about serving and more about volleying.

Clay was more entertaining back then because some guys came out of nowhere and won tournaments, there was more competition but in general I prefer the baseline game with rallies than acing machines making every match a TB competition

It's not really the point... he is the world #1 and he just pissed on a guy who
1. was world #1 longer than him
2. has more slams than he does
3. is still a GOAT contender in the eyes of some

... and not just Sampras but others of that era..., and other eras.

There are more diplomatic ways to answer that question: you could give substantively the same answer, but say it differently (not "It's not really tennis" :rolleyes:)

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 02:49 AM
Nadaltards in this thread defending Rafa's statement are starting to sound like Fedtards feverishly defending Roger's arrogant statements or victimized Barcelona fans crying that their way is the only way to play football.

At the end of the day, there is no right or wrong way to play tennis--serves and volleys are just as much a part of the game as forehands and backhands. Rushing the net and hugging the baseline are both different styles and neither is "right" or "wrong." There were some shit players in previous eras, but let's not act like every top 30 player in this era has tons of variety because most of them don't.

Nadal starting to sound like Verdasco with this "not real tennis" shit :rolleyes:

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 02:52 AM
Nadaltards in this thread defending Rafa's statement are starting to sound like Fedtards feverishly defending Roger's arrogant statements or victimized Barcelona fans crying that their way is the only way to play football.

At the end of the day, there is no right or wrong way to play tennis--serves and volleys are just as much a part of the game as forehands and backhands. Rushing the net and hugging the baseline are both different styles and neither is "right" or "wrong."

There were some shit players in previous eras, but let's not act like every top 30 player in this era has tons of variety because most of them don't.

You are right, there is no "right" or "wrong" way to play. Nadal said it wasn't enjoyable to watch serve fests and I agree with him. Personally I believe the previous era benefitted big servers too much when even shit players like Goran and Krajicek could win a slam.

Filo V.
06-25-2011, 02:54 AM
:rolls:

I CAN'T :hysteric:

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 02:54 AM
You are right, there is no "right" or "wrong" way to play. Nadal said it wasn't enjoyable to watch serve fests and I agree with him. Personally I believe the previous era benefitted big servers too much when even shit players like Goran and Krajicek could win a slam.

Del Potro? :shrug:

Not saying he's a shit player, but if you're going to consider Goran a shit player...

green25814
06-25-2011, 02:59 AM
Goran >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadal. I know who I'd rather watch any day.

I will say though that its variety that really counts with tennis.

fast_clay
06-25-2011, 03:00 AM
very disrespectful rafa... very disrespectful...

not something you'd expect from a #1 in any given profession...

it should be said that he has been understudy to federer for sometime... not the greatest role model when it comes to staying humbloe, so we should not forget that either...

hopefully the next number #1 will not treat the history of the game a tool to downgrade the acheivements of greats gone by in order to self promote and champion themselves...

disappointing...

ZaZoo)
06-25-2011, 03:02 AM
Well, it's true.. :shrug:

Take an example from today's match between Feliciana and Duck, boring servefest, I basically switched only to see TB-s. :rolleyes:

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 03:04 AM
Del Potro? :shrug:

Not saying he's a shit player, but if you're going to consider Goran a shit player...

Delpo is a brainless ballbasher, that's true. But he's at least competent from the baseline and he managed to zone in for 2 weeks + benefit from the biggest chokes of Olderer's career.

Goran's entire game (except serve) was cringe worthy. His volleys weren't very good, his ground game was atrocious. It was ridiculous that a player of his caliber won a slam. He'd have Karlovic career today.

green25814
06-25-2011, 03:04 AM
Well, it's true.. :shrug:

Take an example from today's match between Feliciana and Duck, boring servefest, I basically switched only to see TB-s. :rolleyes:

Lopez is excellent to watch, Roddick I give you but he's a modern player, you wouldn't find many like him in the past.

green25814
06-25-2011, 03:06 AM
Delpo is a brainless ballbasher, that's true. But he's at least competent from the baseline and he managed to zone in for 2 weeks + benefit from the biggest chokes of Olderer's career.

Goran's entire game (except serve) was cringe worthy. His volleys weren't very good, his ground game was atrocious. It was ridiculous that a player of his caliber won a slam. He'd have Karlovic career today.

Nadal didn't mention quality, he was talking about enjoyment. Your derailing the thread, tard.

Art&Soul
06-25-2011, 03:18 AM
"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx



What a disguting commment from the current world number 1 to say tennis in the past is not really tennis and is all about serve :stupid::stupid::stupid: Not to mention his tennis is all about moonballing, waiting his opponent unforced errors and still moonball again :o So what more enjoyable to watch Nadull than to watch legends in the past? :confused:

LinkMage
06-25-2011, 03:18 AM
Sampras and Ivanisevic would destroy Nadull in straights on the 90's grass courts.

james82
06-25-2011, 03:22 AM
most of todays era are full of robots,they all play the same way and just bash the ball
dont see how that is real tennis :eek:

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 03:29 AM
Sampras and Ivanisevic would destroy Nadull in straights on the 90's grass courts.

:rolleyes:

tests
06-25-2011, 03:30 AM
i agree that sampras vs goran was FUCKING boring... but not all of the tennis was like that in previous decades.

Like the 90s had a young safin who was a boss, agassi, kuerten etc.

Borg wasent just a server

tests
06-25-2011, 03:31 AM
:rolleyes:

not in straights, but sampras would **** nadal on fast grass... Federer would too as well.

Goran would stand a chance

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 03:35 AM
not in straights, but sampras would **** nadal on fast grass... Federer would too as well.

Goran would stand a chance

Neither Sampras nor Goran would win a single rally against Nadal. They wouldn't be able to break his serve...ever. All it would take is a few second serves and Nadal would win the set.

Federer should never be mentioned along the same lines as Sampras - he can actually match Nadal from the baseline on grass.

tests
06-25-2011, 03:38 AM
Neither Sampras nor Goran would win a single rally against Nadal. They wouldn't be able to break his serve...ever. All it would take is a few second serves and Nadal would win the set.

Federer should never be mentioned along the same lines as Sampras - he can actually match Nadal from the baseline on grass.

topspin, i said fast grass, i.e. the grass where sampras played. In today's grass, nadal would ABSOLUTELY maul sampras and goran.

But fast grass when you rarely have to rally? come on

TennisLurker
06-25-2011, 03:41 AM
Rafa is right, the 1994 Wimbledon final was gross. In the past years we have seen more classis matches at wimbledon than in the 90s.

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 03:46 AM
Neither Sampras nor Goran would win a single rally against Nadal. They wouldn't be able to break his serve...ever. All it would take is a few second serves and Nadal would win the set.

Federer should never be mentioned along the same lines as Sampras - he can actually match Nadal from the baseline on grass.

:superlol:
here's another time when samanosuke is needed :worship:
But I'll humor you here. Considering how Petzschner abused the hell out of Nadal with his forehand until he realized he could actually win and tightened up, I think Pete would do more than win a single rally against Nadal.

Mountaindewslave
06-25-2011, 03:53 AM
love Nadal but can't believe he said this, i just don't get it, tennis is good now but there was some great tennis over the past few decades..... come on, Agassi Sampras were the best matches ever!

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 03:53 AM
:lol:

Seriously though, this is the kind of arrogant thing Roger is criticised for (and rightly so sometimes) No need for Rafa to dismiss the accomplishments of former greats because he doesn't like their playing style. It may be objective, but not an opinion a guy in his position needs to state.

i have to differ. as arrogant and deluded as federer is, he'd never said something like this.

"It's not really tennis"

nadal comments aren't just inmensely arrogant, they're outright disrespectful to the history of the game.


you know, i was speaking with gu about this a couple of hours ago and he basically told me that i shouldnt even be mad about it for nadal is nothing but a moonballer whose idiotic opinions shouldnt be respected. he's right on the money here. there's no need for me or other tennis fans to worry about what a guy like pocahontas says. it's of no real use.

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 03:56 AM
:superlol:
here's another time when samanosuke is needed :worship:
But I'll humor you here. Considering how Petzschner abused the hell out of Nadal with his forehand until he realized he could actually win and tightened up, I think Pete would do more than win a single rally against Nadal.

:rolleyes:

As if Sampras never struggled with mugs in early rounds ever, right? Take off the rose colored glasses and understand that Sampras was not a tennis juggernaut some nostalgiatards portray him as. He played in weak grass era and took advantage of it. The guy got humiliated on slower surfaces. Couldn't even play for 2 hours without puking all over the tennis court.

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 04:00 AM
:rolleyes:

As if Sampras never struggled with mugs in early rounds ever, right? Take off the rose colored glasses and understand that Sampras was not a tennis juggernaut some nostalgiatards portray him as. He played in weak grass era and took advantage of it. The guy got humiliated on slower surfaces. Couldn't even play for 2 hours without puking all over the tennis court.

Topspinclown campaigning for the ACC :D

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 04:04 AM
I agree with Rafa there

when tabasco said that raonic's playing style wasn't real tennis, you (i presume) and others made fun of him. some still do. now when nadal says that the past eras werent really tennis (which is much worse as he's virtually speaking about thousands of players from different times), you agree with rafito.

double standards much?

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 04:06 AM
Nadull talking about enjoyable tennis when his tennis is the ugliest and most boring of all time? :stupid:

the emperor truly has no clothes

out_here_grindin
06-25-2011, 04:20 AM
There must be some kind of huge conspiracy by the ATP to proclaim this era as the best. They want to attract more viewers, more fans. The older retired guys are in on it, Sampras, Agassi,McEnroe and others always saying this eras players are always better. Now we have Nadal chiming in on it.

SERBINATOR
06-25-2011, 04:35 AM
Nadal is BORING!!!

I would rather watch Sampras Serve and Volley whole day than to see some Idiot MOONBALL his way through the Final

hipolymer
06-25-2011, 04:36 AM
There must be some kind of huge conspiracy by the ATP to proclaim this era as the best. They want to attract more viewers, more fans. The older retired guys are in on it, Sampras, Agassi,McEnroe and others always saying this eras players are always better. Now we have Nadal chiming in on it.


It'll be confirmed if Federer says something like this in the upcoming years or near his retirement. :D

SERBINATOR
06-25-2011, 04:41 AM
Serve and Volley > Moonballers

Going for Winners > Waiting for errors

Action Jackson
06-25-2011, 04:51 AM
If Nadal had actually specified that he didn't like watching them on grass or fast indoor courts then fair enough.

But at least there was some diversity in watching tennis then, if you didn't like the above scenario and plenty didn't, there were alternatives unlike now.

It's like being served the same meal 365 days a year only difference is the kind of plate it's served on.

SERBINATOR
06-25-2011, 05:09 AM
This comment came after he had a lucky escape (like always) against Muller yesterday

he realised he couldn't have competed against the Serve and Volley of the 90's so this was his MoJo of excuse as patenting them BORING

Raferminator
06-25-2011, 05:51 AM
17-8, to all you Fedtard haters !!! :mad:

Rafa Nadal OWNS Muger Frauderer. If Sampras was playing today, he would also be Rafa's Turkey. Rafa would HUMILIATE Sampras!

Why do you haters even watch the sport when you know Muger is going to always lose?! Huh? Are you some kind of demented masochists? It's all about being a Star nowadays, haters, and that Star is Rafael Nadal. Muger Frauderer is finished.

Snowwy
06-25-2011, 05:52 AM
Very disappointing from Mr. Nadal, I would like to know the context of the quote.

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 06:25 AM
Different strokes for different folks. Never in doubt that this thread would turn into a Nadal bashing thread though... Nadal just said he didn't enjoy watching the style of tennis they played, he's not disrespecting their achievements in the game. Everyone wants him to have an opinion and not the pre-determined answers he gets from Uncle Toni, and now he says something honest and you jump on him. Can't win with some people.

The game has evolved and like it or not, it is what it is.

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 06:46 AM
Different strokes for different folks. Never in doubt that this thread would turn into a Nadal bashing thread though... Nadal just said he didn't enjoy watching the style of tennis they played, he's not disrespecting their achievements in the game. Everyone wants him to have an opinion and not the pre-determined answers he gets from Uncle Toni, and now he says something honest and you jump on him. Can't win with some people.

The game has evolved and like it or not, it is what it is.

no, that's just baloney. He didn't simply say he doesn't enjoy it... he said "It's not really tennis."

have a look at this from Federer's presser after the Mannarino match:
Q. Jimmy Connors the other day made kind of a Jimmy Connors type point saying he felt the rivalries in this era were soft. Can you talk about that.

ROGER FEDERER: It's hard for me to talk about his generation because I don't remember him much from playing. I mean, I was hitting with a junior the other day, and he didn't remember seeing any matches of Pete. It's like, C'mon. The guy just played 10 years ago. That's how quick it goes, unfortunately.

I can only talk about it from hearing. But obviously the rules have changed quite drastically. So we're not allowed to do all sort of crazy stuff out on the court, otherwise we get penalised, fined, all that stuff. You don't want to be a bad sport either toward your opponent.

If that's what he means, I can understand some points with him. But it's not as easy as it seems. I think we play with a lot of respect for the game still, which I think is most important, to be quite honest, that we respect what has been done before, like, for instance, from players like Connors and McEnroe, Laver, back to when it all started really.

I think that's very important that we don't forget the roots of the game. Every generation is different. Our rivalries are different. They might be different in five to ten years. You have to enjoy the ones that are happening at the moment.

This is just one example; there are dozens where Federer doesn't disparage previous eras, even when journalists are goading him to say he's better than previous greats.

When Nadal says he cooks his own meals, and haters here jump on him for being falsely humble... that's a Nadal-bashing thread. This is different. He could have stated his opinion more diplomatically, yet without lying/changing it.

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 06:50 AM
Olderer is praised as being honest and yet the above is a typical PC response probably written for him in advance :lol:

As soon as Nadal expresses his opinion, he gets eaten alive, despite being accused of being a "PC robot" all this time.

paseo
06-25-2011, 07:52 AM
I'm liking this. Just say your mind, Nadal. No need of that humbalito crap. This is good, Fed bashes the new generations and Nadal bashes the legends. No more PC stuffs.

And where's SdG? I want to know his opinion on this. Cause he loves Nadal AND Sampras.

Foxy
06-25-2011, 08:02 AM
He is the greatest player of all time already. He can say whatever he wants.

MaxPower
06-25-2011, 08:06 AM
Oh so Nadal is out making friends again?

Of course he doesn't like the previous era. He would have sucked in that era. People call him boring today and many crowds over the world and in front of their TVs root against him because he is so freaking boring with his 30-40 sec breaks to serve the ball at times, constant moonballing etc.

So then you call others boring to try to get away from your own label as boring. If anything this is a disguised way of saying his own game is NOT boring. Some people might think that the number of shots in a rally says something about the excitement/quality but it doesn't. Usually it only means lack of balls and that the players involved will have to rest 30sec extra between every point making the match even more of a snoozefest. In addition if every freaking rally is long then the occasional long rally isn't anything special. In the end the whole match can become a sleeping pill

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 08:12 AM
no, that's just baloney. He didn't simply say he doesn't enjoy it... he said "It's not really tennis."

have a look at this from Federer's presser after the Mannarino match:


This is just one example; there are dozens where Federer doesn't disparage previous eras, even when journalists are goading him to say he's better than previous greats.

When Nadal says he cooks his own meals, and haters here jump on him for being falsely humble... that's a Nadal-bashing thread. This is different. He could have stated his opinion more diplomatically, yet without lying/changing it.

Yes, well he could have worded his response better but I don't believe he was intentionally disrespecting them. And Nadal fans and Federer fans are so eager to find faults in each others personality and traits, hence using Federer as an example here.

Audacity
06-25-2011, 08:17 AM
Yes, well he could have worded his response better but I don't believe he was intentionally disrespecting them. And Nadal fans and Federer fans are so eager to find faults in each others personality and traits, hence using Federer as an example here.

This is MTF bro, they are as bad as the media.

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 08:19 AM
just because an opinion is not PC doesn't mean we should respect it.
Nadal makes one step further in his scheme to kill tennis. The mere idea of people having watched beautiful tennis in the past makes him shiever, he wants to erase these memories.:eek::eek:

A_Skywalker
06-25-2011, 08:27 AM
i have to differ. as arrogant and deluded as federer is, he'd never said something like this.

"It's not really tennis"

nadal comments aren't just inmensely arrogant, they're outright disrespectful to the history of the game.


you know, i was speaking with gu about this a couple of hours ago and he basically told me that i shouldnt even be mad about it for nadal is nothing but a moonballer whose idiotic opinions shouldnt be respected. he's right on the money here. there's no need for me or other tennis fans to worry about what a guy like pocahontas says. it's of no real use.

Hahaha, I can imagine you and him message on msn or skype and gather after every loss of Rafa to celebrate :lol:

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 08:31 AM
maybe this way old farts like mcenroe will stop licking nadal's balls.

Clashcityrocker
06-25-2011, 08:43 AM
70s/80s/90s tennis over today's any day !

samanosuke
06-25-2011, 08:50 AM
Rafito was probably in so heavy pain after yesterday's injury #999999 so the words were unconsciously going from his mouth . Or maybe after the third point on Muller's serve in entire set which he won at the end of the breaker imagined how ***** he would look in the match against Pete or Goran .
Just shame rafa didn't point out where is his variety , if we don't count the injuries

Deathless Mortal
06-25-2011, 08:59 AM
Now he's really gone too far. :cuckoo:
He has one of the most boring game styles and then he says something like this. Just no respect towards tennis legends, and that's why he'll never be like them.

homogenius
06-25-2011, 09:03 AM
He's right on something, at one point in the 90' conditions were way too fast and favored too much the big servers (and watching them firing aces and serve winners all day was indeed boring).Having said that, he forget that there were other players than Sampras, Goran, Richard etc... in the 90'.

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 09:10 AM
funny how it's verdasco and nadal, whose game is unbereably ugly and uninventive, who talk about "real tennis".

ossie
06-25-2011, 09:11 AM
he is absolutely right, that's why tennis is so popular these days as well.

Clashcityrocker
06-25-2011, 09:17 AM
and it wasn't back then ? interesting, could have fooled me

Action Jackson
06-25-2011, 09:18 AM
and it wasn't back then ? interesting, could have fooled me

Don't ever take anything ossie says seriously.

Clashcityrocker
06-25-2011, 09:20 AM
Don't ever take anything ossie says seriously.

well, i don't, don't worry ;)

GSMnadal
06-25-2011, 09:22 AM
He's not bashing all of the previous era's, just the 90's with the big servers. Which is probably logical, since he wouldn't have seen enough from before that to judge that time.

And he's just right, apart from one thing: you guys ARE playing better tennis, Rafa! Nice to see him standing up for himself for once.

ossie
06-25-2011, 09:24 AM
and it wasn't back then ? interesting, could have fooled meits infinitely more popular today and easier to watch too

Clashcityrocker
06-25-2011, 09:27 AM
eurosport had atp tennis almost every week in the 90s....

Action Jackson
06-25-2011, 09:29 AM
He's not bashing all of the previous era's, just the 90's with the big servers. Which is probably logical, since he wouldn't have seen enough from before that to judge that time.

And he's just right, apart from one thing: you guys ARE playing better tennis, Rafa! Nice to see him standing up for himself for once.

The context isn't clear if he said it in the way he should have limiting to surfaces when referring to Sampras/Ivanisevic, then there'd be no doubt.

Tennis existed before Nadal and will do so after he retires.

r3d_d3v1l_
06-25-2011, 10:04 AM
It´s funny to notice the double standards when Verdasco said exactly the same thing. Btw, Federer would never said anything like things, he has too much respect for the history of the game.

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 10:10 AM
personally i dont respect players from previous eras.
i always found it boring to watch the players from the 90's.

i think most players from this era can beat the best from previous eras.

nadal said it bluntly, it has hurt the egos of the people that cling onto nostalgia from past eras.

nadal and federer are the 2 greatest tennis player ever.
they have won all 4 slams in the toughest era ever.
thats greatness.

sampras was very overrated, just a serve bot.
i wouldnt watch that guy play even if they payed me to watch him.

agassi was a much better player than sampras because agassi won on all surfaces, sampras was only a fast court player. the guy was very dull in personality too, always wearing an extra large white baggy shirt. no style in dress sense, no charisma, no nothing.

for me nadal will finish his career as the 2nd GOAT behinf federer.
federer and nadal will be the 2 greatest players ever when its all said and done.

Start da Game
06-25-2011, 10:14 AM
I'm liking this. Just say your mind, Nadal. No need of that humbalito crap. This is good, Fed bashes the new generations and Nadal bashes the legends. No more PC stuffs.

And where's SdG? I want to know his opinion on this. Cause he loves Nadal AND Sampras.

two things,

1. it looks like he din't word it properly like usual and maybe ended up conveying different to what he originally meant......we need to see the context too......

2. he said that he personally doesn't enjoy the oldschool serve and volley tennis but cleared that he doesn't mean to say that they(rafa and co.) play better tennis than what they(previous eras) did.......

i think he's just letting us know his tastes and preferences as far as watching tennis is concerned......i am fine with it......there is no disrespect here towards anybody but taking names was unnecessary to be honest......rafa normally doesn't go that far......i need to see the full context to make any conclusion......

meanwhile the desperate blind breed will obviously latch on to anything available at this stage.......

AnnaK_4ever
06-25-2011, 10:19 AM
So Nadal believes his ass picking and semi-aggressive moonballing is more exciting to watch than S&V? What a shock!

Myrre
06-25-2011, 10:19 AM
I dont like the guy but he is right...Serve and volley is not tennis it is bullshit...That is why in my eyes Laver is nobody...Anything played before say 1975 is bad and before 1990 mediocre...Today's tennis is much more fun...It's was always meant to be played from the baseline

Yeah right, Stefan Edberg couldn't play tennis at all. Serve&volley is so easy, that's why everyone is doing it ::stupid::stupid::stupid::stupid:

LawrenceOfTennis
06-25-2011, 10:28 AM
What a load of shit. I personally enjoy the 90's tennis much more than this one dimensional game. Nadal would better be quiet, since he's one of the pioneers of this kind of tennis. How can anybody call Sampras tennis boring, And Becker? Those guys are at least 3 times more entertaining than todays players. And a DelPo fan say this....

Pirao666
06-25-2011, 10:32 AM
It's funny to see all the hypocirtes saying Max Mirny had the right to say Nadal's game is boring, now criticizing Nadal for finding other players boring :lol: That doesn't sound like Nadal at all BTW, wasn't the "interview" in an english tabloid? I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up.

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 10:40 AM
It's funny to see all the hypocirtes saying Max Mirny had the right to say Nadal's game is boring, now criticizing Nadal for finding other players boring :lol: That doesn't sound like Nadal at all BTW, wasn't the "interview" in an english tabloid? I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up.

that's because Nadal's game is boring.

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 10:45 AM
that's because Nadal's game is boring.

So he's not entitled to his opinion then?

Pirao666
06-25-2011, 10:46 AM
that's because Nadal's game is boring.

Of course, because it's not like liking or disliking someone's game isn't subjective right? Shut up, clown :wavey:

evilmindbulgaria
06-25-2011, 10:49 AM
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Rafa has not offended anyone with this interview and he has not made a big generalization either :wavey:

Give the haters their moment. Very soon they will be coughing blood AGAIN when Rafa wins Wimbledon and they will be forced to go back to their pathetic loser lives :devil:

BaselineSmash
06-25-2011, 10:55 AM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.

"It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve.

"I started playing at Wimbledon in 2002 and since then the court has been exactly the same. Before then, I can't make a comment. But to say it has been getting slower since then is wrong.

"Before my time, perhaps the conditions were faster. But, for me, the difference now is that the best players in the world will strike the ball past you if you go to the net. If people see a player practising serve-and-volley tactics, they say it is fast and if they see baseline play, they think it is slow.

"The truth is that now the players are so good that if it is a fast court, then when you serve and go to the net the ball flies past you even quicker."

SERVE SERVE SERVE (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/wimbledon/article-23964223-pete-sampras-wasnt-fun-says-rafael-nadal.do)

peribsen
06-25-2011, 11:03 AM
This thread is an epic fail, because Rafa never said what the title implies (to be fair, the mistake is in the original article, as much as on the OP's post).

Rafa was saying that today's tennis is more thrilling than the 90s serve and volley fest. In no way was he talking about 'previous eras'. To take a commentary on a Sampras-Ivanisevic sort of match and automatically apply it to a Borg-MacEnroe one is simply ridiculous.

Anyway, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and Rafa has been known in the past to voice some with which many of his own fans don't necessarily agree.

l_mac
06-25-2011, 11:12 AM
:lol:

Raferminator
06-25-2011, 11:17 AM
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Rafa has not offended anyone with this interview and he has not made a big generalization either :wavey:

Give the haters their moment. Very soon they will be coughing blood AGAIN when Rafa wins Wimbledon and they will be forced to go back to their pathetic loser lives :devil:

:lol:

The only thing these Fedtards have left is their hate and rage, and they feed off of it like a parasite sucking the life out of the host. Muger Frauderer has left them decimated, and instead of calling Muger out for being a complete loser, they lash out at Rafa for having enough skill, heart and courage to shatter Muger's glass jaw. Their hate should be directed at that worthless mug, not at Rafa for his stellar achievements. I think the Fedtards are used to being front runners, and now Frauderer has abandoned them in their darkest hours of glory hunting. Being the front runners they used to be a long time ago, they can only understand rationalizing blame, crying a billion tears and living off any shred of negative news on Muger Frauderer's conqueror that may inspire and perversely justify their hateful, soulless existence, if only until that final Sunday when Rafa emerges the glorious victor once again.

Their only hope is adapt and appreciate Rafa's game....but they are fast becoming Nostalgiatards as their vainglorious loser mug player continues to sink into a hole of infinite oblivion. This is why Muger needs to retire for his fans. They cannot handle much more of this as feeding and living off hate and jealousy can only lead to a parasitic demise once the Host has nothing left to offer. Frauderer must retire for the sake of his fans.

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 11:18 AM
Of course, because it's not like liking or disliking someone's game isn't subjective right? Shut up, clown :wavey:

well it's your perfect right to think shit smells of roses, I agree with that.

l_mac
06-25-2011, 11:18 AM
you know, i was speaking with gu about this a couple of hours ago and he basically told me that i shouldnt even be mad about it for nadal is nothing but a moonballer whose idiotic opinions shouldnt be respected.

:haha: :haha:

helvet empire
06-25-2011, 11:19 AM
:lol:

The only thing these Fedtards have left is their hate and rage, and they feed off of it like a parasite sucking the life out of the host. Muger Frauderer has left them decimated, and instead of calling Muger out for being a complete loser, they lash out at Rafa for having enough skill, heart and courage to shatter Muger's glass jaw. Their hate should be directed at that worthless mug, not at Rafa for his stellar achievements. I think the Fedtards are used to being front runners, and now Frauderer has abandoned them in their darkest hours of glory hunting. Being the front runners they used to be a long time ago, they can only understand rationalizing blame, crying a billion tears and living off any shred of negative news on Muger Frauderer's conqueror that may inspire and perversely justify their hateful, soulless existence, if only until that final Sunday when Rafa emerges the glorious victor once again.

Their only hope is adapt and appreciate Rafa's game....but they are fast becoming Nostalgiatards as their vainglorious loser mug player continues to sink into a hole of infinite oblivion. This is why Muger needs to retire for his fans. They cannot handle much more of this as feeding and living off hate and jealousy can only lead to a parasitic demise once the Host has nothing left to offer. Frauderer must retire for the sake of his fans.

yeah that and 16 grand slams:sad::sad::sad:

Action Jackson
06-25-2011, 11:46 AM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.

"It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve.

"I started playing at Wimbledon in 2002 and since then the court has been exactly the same. Before then, I can't make a comment. But to say it has been getting slower since then is wrong.

"Before my time, perhaps the conditions were faster. But, for me, the difference now is that the best players in the world will strike the ball past you if you go to the net. If people see a player practising serve-and-volley tactics, they say it is fast and if they see baseline play, they think it is slow.

"The truth is that now the players are so good that if it is a fast court, then when you serve and go to the net the ball flies past you even quicker."

SERVE SERVE SERVE (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/wimbledon/article-23964223-pete-sampras-wasnt-fun-says-rafael-nadal.do)

Thanks for the context.

iriraz
06-25-2011, 11:52 AM
The good matches are in between of these two situations.U don`t need 2 players who play only serve and volley and keep points short or 2 baseliners who play every point till 25-30 strokes.
If u have a Sampras-Agassi match or Federer-Nadal match,u get a few long rallies and a few short points but mostly u get those rallies that take about 6-7 shots which is great

samanosuke
06-25-2011, 11:55 AM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.

"It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve.

"I started playing at Wimbledon in 2002 and since then the court has been exactly the same. Before then, I can't make a comment. But to say it has been getting slower since then is wrong.

"Before my time, perhaps the conditions were faster. But, for me, the difference now is that the best players in the world will strike the ball past you if you go to the net. If people see a player practising serve-and-volley tactics, they say it is fast and if they see baseline play, they think it is slow.

"The truth is that now the players are so good that if it is a fast court, then when you serve and go to the net the ball flies past you even quicker."

SERVE SERVE SERVE (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/wimbledon/article-23964223-pete-sampras-wasnt-fun-says-rafael-nadal.do)

and then somebody says federer is arrogant . this pig can pass stepankes, browns,llodras and others who dares sometimes get to the net . would like to see doing that to the guys in 90's . for example haarhuis in 90's wasn't a top player and today he would be the best volleyer on the tour . even today Pete will be able get the set to the breaker and then anything could happen against rafito

Har-Tru
06-25-2011, 11:58 AM
Nadal hasn't a clue.

Admittedly, Sampras-Ivanisevic isn't the best example of refined, eye-catching S&Ving, but those generalisations... and coming from a player whose style is, how should I put it... not overly sophisticated... well... he ought to play tennis and leave the talking to others.

scarecrows
06-25-2011, 12:02 PM
the problem is not about the Sampras-Ivanisevic matchup but the fact that he includes all their era in his statement

in the Wimbledon context he has a point as for the causal tennis fan many matches of the 90s were boring, but in hard court and clay court I'm not so sure that watching 20 moonballs in one point is the way too goo. Maybe for the biceps fangirl team

Kiedis
06-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Nadal hasn't a clue.

Admittedly, Sampras-Ivanisevic isn't the best example of refined, eye-catching S&Ving, but those generalisations... and coming from a player whose style is, how should I put it... not overly sophisticated... well... he ought to play tennis and leave the talking to others.

Which generalisations? You have allowed the OP manipulate you with their insidious interpretation :o

I neither enjoyed the servefest that dominated Wimbledon much of the 90.

ignigena
06-25-2011, 12:13 PM
Nadal hasn't a clue.

Admittedly, Sampras-Ivanisevic isn't the best example of refined, eye-catching S&Ving, but those generalisations... and coming from a player whose style is, how should I put it... not overly sophisticated... well... he ought to play tennis and leave the talking to others.

Mmmmmh, so who should we leave the talking to?, only to people that dont play tennis?

samanosuke
06-25-2011, 12:18 PM
in the Wimbledon context he has a point as for the causal tennis fan many matches of the 90s were boring, but in hard court and clay court I'm not so sure that watching 20 moonballs in one point is the way too goo. Maybe for the biceps fangirl team

But where is then the point if you can win all 4 slams with the same game and the same court position ? today you don't need to adopt anything to the different surfaces . watching Ferrer for example I don't see any change in his game or court positioning wherever he plays and he is successful everywhere . Borg needed to play completely different game in just a month time period . And mentioning nadal in the same context with Borg ain't fair

Dmitry Verdasco
06-25-2011, 12:26 PM
You tell em, Rafa :rocker2:

asmazif
06-25-2011, 12:28 PM
It's either Nadal making stupidly massive generalisations or the journalist/OP coming to stupidly general conclusions. Either way, the title statement is obviously just false, given just how much tennis it appears to disregard :lol:

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 12:31 PM
nadal is correct, tennis was boring in the past, thats why i never got into it back then. it didn't appeal to me. now tennis is exciting, so ur attracted to it like a magnet.

nadal plays the way tennis is supposed to be played in the modern game.

Castafiore
06-25-2011, 12:36 PM
If I'm not mistaken, this is based on an article in Marca (http://www.marca.com/2011/06/22/tenis/wimbledon/1308776146.html?a=PRO1e4fd5250b83ea6556bfae75b5d3c 3ec&t=1309000978) and they, in turn, based it on the Spanish part of one of his post-match press conferences (another proof on why it's important for everybody to get the full transcript of those pressers)

The thread title is misleading because he didn't say that about "previous tennis eras".


This depends on people's particular taste. For me, personally, watching Sampras-Ivanisevic or those kind of players, well... I, as an spectator, appreciated what they were doing, but I did not enjoy it, cause in the end, what you were seeing is not a display of game"

He was specifically asked about players like Sampras and Ivanisevic. He didn't talk about "previous tennis eras".

People with a far better understanding in Spanish are free to correct me but he didn't use the words "real tennis" either. As I read it, I think that he expressed his personal opinion that he prefers to see more rallies on court instead of big servers who end most points with an ace or close to an ace.


I'm guessing that they took a lot of quotes out of context for the English article. :shrug:

samanosuke
06-25-2011, 12:37 PM
nadal is correct, tennis was boring in the past, thats why i never got into it back then. it didn't appeal to me. now tennis is exciting, so ur attracted to it like a magnet.

nadal plays the way tennis is supposed to be played in the modern game.

words of guy who wasn't watching tennis then have enormous meaning

born_on_clay
06-25-2011, 12:41 PM
Finally someone reveals the truth :hatoff:

romismak
06-25-2011, 12:43 PM
I am surprised that Rafa made such interview or said so. He is always so ,,humble,, and now he indirectly attacked SAmpras for playing just that serve mug tennis. Generally i think Nadal is right, that more people enjoy to watch tennis with rallies than tennis from 90s with was based on serve, but ATP has done too much and today it is really slow so many people again want to see some old tennis with SV style. But definetely NAdal is rigth that it wasn´t so enjoyble -if it was, than ATP wouldn´t choose to slow down surfaces in order to make it slower with rallies, but they would let it be how it was. So NAdal is definetely rigth here, but i am really surprised he said it so loudly. I can imagine now angy Sampras to call Federer, that he need to do everything possible that this Spanish brat didn´t win 14 slams like he did:D

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 01:15 PM
So he's not entitled to his opinion then?

saying nadal's game is boring isn't an opinion - it's a fact.

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Hahaha, I can imagine you and him message on msn or skype and gather after every loss of Rafa to celebrate :lol:

first time we talk about nadal outside of MTF actually... but i've been talking with gu ocassionally since he got perma-banned

SERBINATOR
06-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Nadal's FAKE MODESTY EXPOSED!!!!

He is a Two-faced ***

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 01:24 PM
If I'm not mistaken, this is based on an article in Marca (http://www.marca.com/2011/06/22/tenis/wimbledon/1308776146.html?a=PRO1e4fd5250b83ea6556bfae75b5d3c 3ec&t=1309000978) and they, in turn, based it on the Spanish part of one of his post-match press conferences (another proof on why it's important for everybody to get the full transcript of those pressers)

The thread title is misleading because he didn't say that about "previous tennis eras".



He was specifically asked about players like Sampras and Ivanisevic. He didn't talk about "previous tennis eras".

People with a far better understanding in Spanish are free to correct me but he didn't use the words "real tennis" either. As I read it, I think that he expressed his personal opinion that he prefers to see more rallies on court instead of big servers who end most points with an ace or close to an ace.


I'm guessing that they took a lot of quotes out of context for the English article. :shrug:

Thank you for the full story. Nothing new here, the media distorting news in an attempt to create it.

PiggyGotRoasted
06-25-2011, 01:29 PM
He and his opinions are the biggest catasthrophy that is happening to tennis

I agree, so much sense in this post..

Tennis can not wait for the piggy faker to retire.

Corey Feldman
06-25-2011, 01:35 PM
He is the greatest player of all time already. He can say whatever he wants.nobody who has only won Wimbledon twice can come into the GOAT discussion, hope that helps

stebs
06-25-2011, 01:45 PM
Nadal gives a humble, scripted answer: '...boring, false, dishonest...'

Nadal gives his honest opinion for once: '...idiot, hasn't a clue, no respect...'

Unsurprisingly, a player who is disliked so vehemently by so many on this site cannot actually say anything without drawing flak. It makes little difference what the man says, he is going to be criticised by the haters and defended by the 'tards'. Personally I find it refreshing to see the man give his opinion.

nobama
06-25-2011, 01:50 PM
#1 should be thanking them. Were it not for these boring serve fests we wouldn't have the slow-ass courts we have today. That certainly has benefited him, no?

Dmitry Verdasco
06-25-2011, 01:58 PM
#1 should be thanking them. Were it not for these boring serve fests we wouldn't have the slow-ass courts we have today. That certainly has benefited him, no?

What about them fast dusty orange courts?

Sapeod
06-25-2011, 01:59 PM
Is Nadal for real? This proves how much of a clown he is. To call anyone else unenjoyable to watch is irony at its finest. Clown, learn how to play tennis properly before slagging off great serve and volley tennis.

RagingLamb
06-25-2011, 02:46 PM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.

"It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve.

"I started playing at Wimbledon in 2002 and since then the court has been exactly the same. Before then, I can't make a comment. But to say it has been getting slower since then is wrong.

"Before my time, perhaps the conditions were faster. But, for me, the difference now is that the best players in the world will strike the ball past you if you go to the net. If people see a player practising serve-and-volley tactics, they say it is fast and if they see baseline play, they think it is slow.

"The truth is that now the players are so good that if it is a fast court, then when you serve and go to the net the ball flies past you even quicker."

SERVE SERVE SERVE (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/wimbledon/article-23964223-pete-sampras-wasnt-fun-says-rafael-nadal.do)

:lol: most ignorant people who want to make a generalization about 90s tennis rely on this very example, especially to argue how things have improved for wimbledon.

Sampras and Ivanisevic played 2 Wimbledon finals, and a semi. The final in 1994 was a three setter, went to Sampras, 7-6(2), 7-6(5), 6-0. This is the match most people are thinking about when making overgeneralizations about that entire era. What they forget is that the other two matches between Sampras and Ivanisevic at Wimbledon, the semi in 1995 and especially the final in 1998 were epic 5 setters.

Maybe Nadal doesn't remember those because he was between 8 and 12 years old when all the three matches between Pete and Goran were played at Wimbledon.

Only someone who never really watched 90s tennis would say that it was just "serve, serve, serve". But to call "what we do now" more enjoyable is also misleading for another reason; at least the S&V style of the 90s only presented part of 90s tennis, whereas the monotony that is 'what you do now' represents all of tennis.

All in all a very disappointing and disrespectful comment from the world's number 1. I lost a lot of respect for Nadal because of this comment.

Edit: Correction - they also played a semi in 1992 which Goran one in 4 sets.

Mungo
06-25-2011, 02:48 PM
Why don't the mods change the thread title? That's not what Nadal said. It's a lie.

EliSter
06-25-2011, 02:49 PM
Why don't the mods change the thread title? That's not what Nadal said. It's a lie.

Yes he did :stupid:

Langers
06-25-2011, 02:50 PM
He's totally right. :yeah:

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 02:52 PM
If I'm not mistaken, this is based on an article in Marca (http://www.marca.com/2011/06/22/tenis/wimbledon/1308776146.html?a=PRO1e4fd5250b83ea6556bfae75b5d3c 3ec&t=1309000978) and they, in turn, based it on the Spanish part of one of his post-match press conferences (another proof on why it's important for everybody to get the full transcript of those pressers)

The thread title is misleading because he didn't say that about "previous tennis eras".



He was specifically asked about players like Sampras and Ivanisevic. He didn't talk about "previous tennis eras".

People with a far better understanding in Spanish are free to correct me but he didn't use the words "real tennis" either. As I read it, I think that he expressed his personal opinion that he prefers to see more rallies on court instead of big servers who end most points with an ace or close to an ace.


I'm guessing that they took a lot of quotes out of context for the English article. :shrug:

Regardless of whether or not he is referring to eras as a whole or Sampras and Ivanisevic specifically, the fact that he says "it's not really tennis" about players that are proficient at the most important shot in tennis, is misguided at best and moronic at worst.

Castafiore
06-25-2011, 02:55 PM
He didn't say that "it's not really tennis". :shrug:

Why don't you guys try to read the article in Spanish before commenting on his words? The English article is not a good basis on trying to figure out what he meant.

There were more big servers in the 90s than Sampras and Ivanisevic but he was specifically referring to those two because he was asked about those two so he mentioned those two in his answer.

Yes he did :stupid:
No, he didn't. :hug:

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 03:03 PM
:lol: most ignorant people who want to make a generalization about 90s tennis rely on this very example, especially to argue how things have improved for wimbledon.

Sampras and Ivanisevic played 2 Wimbledon finals, and a semi. The final in 1994 was a three setter, went to Sampras, 7-6(2), 7-6(5), 6-0. This is the match most people are thinking about when making overgeneralizations about that entire era. What they forget is that the other two matches between Sampras and Ivanisevic at Wimbledon, the semi in 1995 and especially the final in 1998 were epic 5 setters.

Maybe Nadal doesn't remember those because he was between 8 and 12 years old when all the three matches between Pete and Goran were played at Wimbledon.

Only someone who never really watched 90s tennis would say that it was just "serve, serve, serve". But to call "what we do now" more enjoyable is also misleading for another reason; at least the S&V style of the 90s only presented part of 90s tennis, whereas the monotony that is 'what you do now' represents all of tennis.

All in all a very disappointing and disrespectful comment from the world's number 1. I lost a lot of respect for Nadal because of this comment.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions mate, the article was taken from an interview Nadal did with the Spanish press and then transformed into an English piece. Distorted and taken out of context to create news. I think some people are just trying to use this as an excuse to bash Nadal, which is very sad but nothing less I would expect from some people on this forum.

thrust
06-25-2011, 03:03 PM
He is right. Tennis is much more enjoyable now.

That is true, primarily for men's grass court tennis. Still, seeing: Rafter, Edberg, McEnroe, Becker and Sampras volleying was great especially when they were playing great base line players like: Connors, Agassi, Lendl-etc..

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 03:05 PM
Nadal cree que, igual que a él, "a todo el mundo le gusta más" el tenis que se juega ahora, pues el de finales de los 90 era, en su opinión, "menos vistoso para el espectador".

Nadal aseguró que el tenis "ha ganado en público" durante los últimos años, que coinciden con un nuevo tipo de juego, "más vistoso".
:rolleyes:

RagingLamb
06-25-2011, 03:06 PM
I wouldn't jump to conclusions mate, the article was taken from an interview Nadal did with the Spanish press and then transformed into an English piece. Distorted and taken out of context to create news. I think some people are just trying to use this as an excuse to bash Nadal, which is very sad but nothing less I would expect from some people on this forum.

Sure, but you can't mis-translate "Sampras" or "Ivanisevic".

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-25-2011, 03:10 PM
nobody who has only won Wimbledon twice can come into the GOAT discussion, hope that helps

nobody who has won Roland Garros once can come into the GOAT discussion, hope that helps

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 03:12 PM
Sure, but you can't mis-translate "Sampras" or "Ivanisevic".

The interviewer asked him specifically about Sampras and Ivanisevic.

Kiedis
06-25-2011, 03:13 PM
Sure, but you can't mis-translate "Sampras" or "Ivanisevic".

"Esto ya va a gusto particular. A mí, personalmente, ver jugar un Sampras-Ivanisevic aquí o este tipo de jugadores, pues... Yo, desde casa apreciaba lo que estaban haciendo, pero no disfrutaba, porque, al final, no ves juego"

"This is depending to individual tastes. I personally seeing Sampras-Ivanisevic [play in Wimbledon] or these type of players, well ... I, appreciate what they were doing but not enjoy it, because in the end, you couldn't see too much game"

http://www.el-nacional.com/www/site/p_contenido.php?q=nodo/216429/Deportes/Rafa-Nadal:-Creo-que-el-tenis-de-hoy-es-m%C3%A1s-vistoso

hipolymer
06-25-2011, 03:14 PM
The fact that he said it in Spanish removes any doubt that he was misinterpreted because of his bad English speaking. Some words here and there might not be translated correctly, but the meaning remains the same.

Roddickominator
06-25-2011, 03:36 PM
A rare occasion where Rafa is being honest with the public. I disagree completely with him, but I like that he's being real for once.

Start da Game
06-25-2011, 03:45 PM
as his fan i will be surprised if he really took the names of sampras and ivanisevic......normally he downplays himself and praises even the journeymen who pose tough challenges to him......once he even went to the extent of calling mardy fish or someone 'great player'......

video evidence anyone? i don't entirely trust these media translations, whether he was specifically asked about those two players or he himself took their names needs to be known......

Just like heaven
06-25-2011, 03:50 PM
He didn't say that Sampras didn't have game and he didn't bash anyone. Here's the full transcript

"A mí de pequeño el deporte que más me gustaba era el tenis, lo seguía por televisión. Veía en mi casa un Sampras-Ivanisevic jugando aquí y... Yo apreciaba lo que hacían, pero no disfrutaba. Un golpe, dos golpes y se acabó". "Que se esté jugando un pelín más lento en todas las superficies no creo que (quiera decir que) se esté robotizando. Sigue habiendo cambios grandes de pista rápida a tierra, de tierra a hierba".

"Y si el tenis ha cogido este rumbo es quizás porque alguien lo ha pedido. Quizás el rumbo anterior no funcionaba tanto. El tenis tiene muy buena salud, siguen llegando sponsors, van aumentando los seguidores, sube año tras año. Mal no nos va. Se ha notado más bien poco la época de crisis, ha salido muy buen parado de todo esto".

"La calidad de jugadores era igual que la de ahora, pero las condiciones de juego eran un pelín más rápidas. El tenis, según qué momentos, llegó a perder un pelín de interés. Yo era un chico que mi deporte favorito era el tenis, pero veía según qué partidos y era criminal".

Translation

"Ever since I was a kid my favourite sport was tennis, I was following it on TV. I was watching a Sampras-Ivanisevic being played here and... I was able to appreciate what they were doing, but I wasn't enjoying it. One shot, two shots and it was over.
The fact that the game is slower now it doesn't mean that it's getting robotised. There are still big changes from playing on hard court to clay and from clay to grass.
And if tennis followed this development it's probably because someone wanted it to develop this way. Maybe the way things were going in the past it wasn't functioning. Tennis is very healthy, a lot of new sponsors, many watchers, it keeps growing each year. It's not bad. We didn't feel the economical crisis.

The quality of the players was the same as now, but the playing conditions were a bit more faster. And tennis started to lose a bit its popularity. I was watching as a kid and some of those matches were criminal (or something like that)."

tennizen
06-25-2011, 03:51 PM
IMO it's perfectly alright for him to say he doesn't find certain styles enjoyable to watch. Sampras has many times commented on today's era in uncomplimentary ways.

SheepleBuster
06-25-2011, 03:53 PM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable"

"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx


Coming from a very unorthodox tennis player to say that the previous eras weren't tennis...

:smash:

Of course not, Because Nadal would not have won anything outside clay in those eras. Let's face it. Nadal wants shorter schedule, he wants more clay court tournaments, He advocates less hard courts. This guy is cancer for tennis.

Hian-GOAT
06-25-2011, 03:54 PM
I believe cats cannot fly.

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 03:58 PM
At the end of the day, people will see what they want to see.

MacTheKnife
06-25-2011, 04:05 PM
:lol: most ignorant people who want to make a generalization about 90s tennis rely on this very example, especially to argue how things have improved for wimbledon.

Sampras and Ivanisevic played 2 Wimbledon finals, and a semi. The final in 1994 was a three setter, went to Sampras, 7-6(2), 7-6(5), 6-0. This is the match most people are thinking about when making overgeneralizations about that entire era. What they forget is that the other two matches between Sampras and Ivanisevic at Wimbledon, the semi in 1995 and especially the final in 1998 were epic 5 setters.

Maybe Nadal doesn't remember those because he was between 8 and 12 years old when all the three matches between Pete and Goran were played at Wimbledon.

Only someone who never really watched 90s tennis would say that it was just "serve, serve, serve". But to call "what we do now" more enjoyable is also misleading for another reason; at least the S&V style of the 90s only presented part of 90s tennis, whereas the monotony that is 'what you do now' represents all of tennis.

All in all a very disappointing and disrespectful comment from the world's number 1. I lost a lot of respect for Nadal because of this comment.

Good post.

Snowwy
06-25-2011, 04:11 PM
Why don't the mods change the thread title? That's not what Nadal said. It's a lie.

Yes he did :stupid:

No, he didn't. :hug:

The OP quotes an article on the ATP site.

Start da Game
06-25-2011, 04:16 PM
He didn't say that Sampras didn't have game and he didn't bash anyone. Here's the full transcript



Translation

this should explain to all the doubters......there is not an ounce of disrespect towards anybody.......thanks for the correct translation, just like heaven......

he was prolly asked about the changing trends of the sport from the previous eras and he gave a great answer, well done rafa.......i knew he would never say anything of that sort.......

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 04:19 PM
Why don't the mods change the thread title? That's not what Nadal said. It's a lie.

acording to the marca article:

Nadal cree que, igual que a él, "a todo el mundo le gusta más" el tenis que se juega ahora, pues el de finales de los 90 era, en su opinión, "menos vistoso para el espectador".

which means:

Nadal thinks that, like him, "everyone likes better" today's tennis, for the tennis of the late '90s was, in his opinion, "less attractive for the spectator".

he also directly said he did not enjoy sampras-ivanisevic matches because there was no game

timafi
06-25-2011, 04:36 PM
he's right:shrug: but extremely ironic coming from him at the same time!

Aenea
06-25-2011, 04:59 PM
Sure, but you can't mis-translate "Sampras" or "Ivanisevic".

Yes, but you can mistranslate everything else

The OP quotes an article on the ATP site.

Neither the article nor Nadal said anything like the thread title suggests

he also directly said he did not enjoy sampras-ivanisevic matches because there was no game

Not matches but 1 match between the two which probably went the way he described :shrug:

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 05:02 PM
I wouldn't jump to conclusions mate, the article was taken from an interview Nadal did with the Spanish press and then transformed into an English piece. Distorted and taken out of context to create news. I think some people are just trying to use this as an excuse to bash Nadal, which is very sad but nothing less I would expect from some people on this forum.

Distorted by the ATP? It's from their site, no one else is talking about this (sadly) -- it's not creating any news. So now the ATP is out to get Nadal? :rolleyes:

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 05:04 PM
Not matches but 1 match between the two which probably went the way he described :shrug:

nope. he talked about sampras-ivanisevic wimby matches in general. even more generally, he said: "or that type of players".

Aenea
06-25-2011, 05:07 PM
Distorted by the ATP? It's from their site, no one else is talking about this (sadly) -- it's not creating any news. So now the ATP is out to get Nadal? :rolleyes:

you don't read properly. it is not from their site but from The Evening Standard, ATP site just copied it

What The Newspapers Are Saying

...the 10-time major champion told The Evening Standard...

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx

Aenea
06-25-2011, 05:10 PM
nope. he talked about sampras-ivanisevic wimby matches in general. even more generally, he said: "or that type of players".

Veía en mi casa un Sampras-Ivanisevic jugando aquí y...

I understand this as "a Sampras-Ivanisevic match"

Just like heaven
06-25-2011, 05:11 PM
Distorted by the ATP? It's from their site, no one else is talking about this (sadly) -- it's not creating any news. So now the ATP is out to get Nadal? :rolleyes:

I posted the full quote on the previous page.

Start da Game
06-25-2011, 05:14 PM
Veía en mi casa un Sampras-Ivanisevic jugando aquí y...

I understand this as "a Sampras-Ivanisevic match"

good posts aenea, there is no real disrespecting of anybody here.......what shit stirring this has been.......

the desperate blind breed will latch on to whatever they get, they are mentally frustrated of watching nadal take down their god every time everywhere and tie him to his shoelaces.......

Imz25
06-25-2011, 05:17 PM
Is Nadal for real? This proves how much of a clown he is. To call anyone else unenjoyable to watch is irony at its finest. Clown, learn how to play tennis properly before slagging off great serve and volley tennis.

Says a fan of a player who chokes so much that he can't buy a set in a Grandslam final. So much for Rafa learning how to play tennis - he's good at something called : "Winning". :yeah:

Start da Game
06-25-2011, 05:17 PM
I posted the full quote on the previous page.

they are just blind to it......the blind breed have paraded in this thread and now watch the hypocrites join the parade as well, it has already started.......they will use this thread to ridicule nadal for no real reason.......

if this thread was about nadal's bitch, it would have been locked yesterday itself.......

Imz25
06-25-2011, 05:27 PM
Those who think Rafa's gameplay is "boring" aren't being all that clever themselves. That booming forehand DTL is a sight to remember! One of the greatest shots in the history of tennis, that! His backhand cross court passing shot, which he's improved on so much, will get the adrenaline pumping unless you're the biggest hater ever.

That "moonballing" technique is something he usually keeps for the clay season. His shots are a lot flatter on grass and hardcourts. If that technique is good enough to have a 5-0 record at RG against a player of the talent of Federer - I think every player would use it if they were in his shoes!

RagingLamb
06-25-2011, 05:29 PM
Yes, but you can mistranslate everything else

I doubt that was the case here.

Aenea
06-25-2011, 05:36 PM
and I see {and read} that was the case here :wavey:

calvinhobbes
06-25-2011, 05:38 PM
And I knew haters would all gather to this thread like flies onto shit. :yawn:
Yeah. Because this is shit.....

Sapeod
06-25-2011, 05:42 PM
Says a fan of a player who chokes so much that he can't buy a set in a Grandslam final. So much for Rafa learning how to play tennis - he's good at something called : "Winning". :yeah:
What has winning got to do with what I said? :confused:

Murray is thousands of times better to watch than Nadal :wavey:

As for those slam finals, if he hasn't won a set, then how has he choked? :scratch: Not his fault he's played JesusFed in two of those finals :wavey:

Nadal may win a lot, but he's about as enjoyable to watch as paint drying :bigwave:

FormerRafaFan
06-25-2011, 05:43 PM
they are just blind to it......the blind breed have paraded in this thread and now watch the hypocrites join the parade as well, it has already started.......they will use this thread to ridicule nadal for no real reason.......

Of course they will, are you new here? they are HATERS after all, it's what they do.

gulzhan
06-25-2011, 05:43 PM
He didn't say that Sampras didn't have game and he didn't bash anyone. Here's the full transcript



Translation

Thanks for the full transcript and translation. I agree with Nadal and don't find anything offensive to any player or any tennis era in his words. Whoever says otherwise is a hater, no point in arguing with them.

GSMnadal
06-25-2011, 05:48 PM
What has winning got to do with what I said? :confused:

Murray is thousands of times better to watch than Nadal :wavey:

As for those slam finals, if he hasn't won a set, then how has he choked? :scratch: Not his fault he's played JesusFed in two of those finals :wavey:

You do realize choking can also occur at the start of a match? He played great tennis up to the final 3 times, and every time he forgot how to play in those matches. That's classic choking behaviour, letting the stage get the better of you.

Hewitt =Legend
06-25-2011, 05:53 PM
Distorted by the ATP? It's from their site, no one else is talking about this (sadly) -- it's not creating any news. So now the ATP is out to get Nadal? :rolleyes:

The ATP didn't create the story, please get your facts right before posting. You're just a Federer fan who is trying to see the worst in Nadal and see this as a way to negatively speak about him.

Why is this still being talked about, we knew hours ago what the case was here.

Sapeod
06-25-2011, 05:56 PM
Of course they will, are you new here? they are HATERS after all, it's what they do.
Nadal is letting himself be hated with idiotic statements like this. He's telling us that serve and volley generations weren't enjoyable to watch? That's irony at its best, considering who said it.

Pirao666
06-25-2011, 05:58 PM
Nadaltards in this thread defending Rafa's statement are starting to sound like Fedtards feverishly defending Roger's arrogant statements or victimized Barcelona fans crying that their way is the only way to play football.

At the end of the day, there is no right or wrong way to play tennis--serves and volleys are just as much a part of the game as forehands and backhands. Rushing the net and hugging the baseline are both different styles and neither is "right" or "wrong." There were some shit players in previous eras, but let's not act like every top 30 player in this era has tons of variety because most of them don't.

Nadal starting to sound like Verdasco with this "not real tennis" shit :rolleyes:

he never said that, clown. If you read the statements he made in spanish, you would know that. But as usual, the press translates as they like.

Pirao666
06-25-2011, 06:17 PM
"Esto ya va a gusto particular. A mí, personalmente, ver jugar un Sampras-Ivanisevic aquí o este tipo de jugadores, pues... Yo, desde casa apreciaba lo que estaban haciendo, pero no disfrutaba, porque, al final, no ves juego"

"This is depending to individual tastes. I personally seeing Sampras-Ivanisevic [play in Wimbledon] or these type of players, well ... I, appreciate what they were doing but not enjoy it, because in the end, you couldn't see too much game"

http://www.el-nacional.com/www/site/p_contenido.php?q=nodo/216429/Deportes/Rafa-Nadal:-Creo-que-el-tenis-de-hoy-es-m%C3%A1s-vistoso

This should be put in the OP so that clowns and haters stop jumping to conclusions.

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 06:20 PM
i lost all respect for sampras when he constantly bashes today's era saying its weak and they dont come to the net.
he has said that many times. once his justification was that how is james blake in the top 10, that was how he proved tennis was weak in today's era. this was in 2006 or 2007 i belive.

if he is willing to show no respect for this era, then im not going to respect his era.
sorry but thats just the way things work. thats how humans react to these things.
if sampras wants respect, then learn to respect today's era.
its about mutual respect.

personally i never liked 1990's tennis exactly due to the reasons nadal said here.
people might get hurt by what he said that loved 1990's tennis, but he was blunt in what he said.
whats that old saying, the truth hurts.

because of serve fests in the 1990's, wimbledon had to make changes.
nadal's point is reinforced by what wimbledon did in 2001.

there have been many new fans that started to watch tennis ever since serve fests were reduced or eliminated during the 2000's. tennis' popularity has risen dramatically since the federer-nadal era started.

for me tennis modernized during the 2000's to attract new fans to the sport. rallies are what people are there to watch, of course u want to see people going to the net and hitting a few aces. but u dont want serve fests which does not make the sport watchable to the casual sports fan.

i watched tennis during the 1990's but was always turned off due to extremely boring matches and boring characters apart from agassi.

i understand what fans of the 1990's say, and they are pretty hurt from this comment from nadal, example being ranginglamb who seems pretty disappointed in rafa's comment, but u gotta understand nadal's point of view and the point of view of the casual fan and the tennis authorities wanting to tweak the sport a bit.
sports will have to modernise to gain ratings as sport is more about entertainment these days. technology will get better, thats just the way every sport is, just look at golf clubs.

Imz25
06-25-2011, 06:23 PM
What has winning got to do with what I said? :confused:

Murray is thousands of times better to watch than Nadal :wavey:

As for those slam finals, if he hasn't won a set, then how has he choked? :scratch: Not his fault he's played JesusFed in two of those finals :wavey:

Nadal may win a lot, but he's about as enjoyable to watch as paint drying :bigwave:

The fact that Murray looks completely out of place in a Grandslam final because of the added pressure shows that he can't hack it. He has a winning record against Federer, yet he's still 0-6 in set counts against him in the GS finals! Djokovic destroyed him in the Australian open too. Murray, surely, would have expected himself to grab at least 1 set in 3 finals!! If that isn't choking underpressure then what is?

Murray is better to watch than Rafa?! Hahahhahahahahha. Wow, now that is something, really. Every expert says that Murray fails to find that EXTRA GEAR when he really needs it against the top players in big matches.That passive whinging, insolent, scruffy teenager - Napoleon Dynamite's cousin is no way in hell a better player to watch on a tennis court than Rafa. Most of the times he waits for his opponent to crack too. So, if you blame Rafa for that, you're only being a hypocrite! :)

Sophocles
06-25-2011, 06:27 PM
The irony....

Nearco
06-25-2011, 06:28 PM
As a newcomer to the Forum I'm a tad perplexed as to the blind hatred some players seem to attract. It's almost like a football forum.

peribsen
06-25-2011, 07:00 PM
Wellcome to the madhouse, Nearco!

Don't take MTF too seriously; though you can find some worthy threads here, quite a few posters seem to be more interested in discrediting some players than on the sport itself. It may be sad, but you'll simply have to weather it if you want to stay here. The lighter side is that it won't take you too long to find out who the usual offenders are, and once you know that, it becomes easier to navigate these waters.

Hope you have fun here!

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 07:43 PM
i watched tennis during the 1990's but was always turned off due to extremely boring matches and boring characters apart from agassi.

You were probably in diapers in the 90s and were turned off because you were busy looking for your teething ring.

star
06-25-2011, 07:45 PM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable"

"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx


Coming from a very unorthodox tennis player to say that the previous eras weren't tennis...

:smash:

Oh gee. Maybe you didn't notice that Nadal did NOT say that previous eras weren't tennis.

He doesn't enjoy an all serve game. Lots of people don't.

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 07:46 PM
As a newcomer to the Forum I'm a tad perplexed as to the blind hatred some players seem to attract. It's almost like a football forum.

It's more fun that way. :D

star
06-25-2011, 07:48 PM
listen to these words from moonball, moonball, moonball

goran-sampras matches had plenty of serve volleying in there

Not really. Lots of aces and unreturnable serves. At most 2 volleys per point. Usually only one.

I remember tons of people complaining about how boring Wimbledon was with the big serve dominating.

tennis2tennis
06-25-2011, 07:56 PM
this is the first time for a long time that rafa got off the fence on a topic and people are crucifying him for it...opinions are subjective so is enjoyment when someone says they find something more exciting than another there is no wrong or right answer (subjective)...it's like having a go at someone for liking the Office more than 30 Rock...

fast_clay
06-25-2011, 08:02 PM
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/250px-PongVideoGameCabinet.jpg

swebright
06-25-2011, 09:08 PM
It's probably taken out of context/ language problem as usual.

yuri27
06-25-2011, 09:12 PM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet."


He is entitled to his opinion so i don't have any problem with what he is saying there (especially as i somehow agree with him).
For once that he speaks his mind!


"It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve.


Now i have a problem with what he is saying.
Who is he to know what sort of tennis everyone like?:rolleyes:

JolánGagó
06-25-2011, 09:14 PM
"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable"

"It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet. It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/25/Wimbledon-Diary-Day-Five.aspx



I said it here first.

swebright
06-25-2011, 09:19 PM
We should go back and watch that Pete-Goran match. It's not a grinder's game (Nadal style) but many people also dont like baseline game style.

Sunset of Age
06-25-2011, 09:23 PM
15 pages, 225 posts about a top player speaking his opinion (which he is entirely entitled to do), whether or not it was taken out-of-context or mistranslated?

MTF :bowdown:

barbadosan
06-25-2011, 09:28 PM
You were probably in diapers in the 90s and were turned off because you were busy looking for your teething ring.

Ouch! Zing! and Yikes!

Just like heaven
06-25-2011, 09:37 PM
Now i have a problem with what he is saying.
Who is he to know what sort of tennis everyone like?:rolleyes:

I think he meant to say the majority. That's just common sense. Why would they slow down the grass if people wouldn't enjoy this type of tennis more? Would they have done this if people would have wanted to see something else? That wouldn't really make sense.

tnosugar
06-25-2011, 09:38 PM
hm... players like Borg, Mac, Edberg, Sampras INVENTED tennis, through history.
I don't see anything new that Nadal has brought to the game. I don't deny his achievements, but he is the last person who should talk about attractive game styles.

Topspin Forehand
06-25-2011, 09:41 PM
hm... players like Borg, Mac, Edberg, Sampras INVENTED tennis, through history.
I don't see anything new that Nadal has brought to the game. I don't deny his achievements, but he is the last person who should talk about attractive game styles.
Just because they invented tennis, doesn't mean their gamestyles are interesting. For one, the shots didn't have as much power from the baseline in those days. It is weaker tennis. Even serve and volley mugs could handle those weak shots from the baseline. Thank goodness serve and volley is a thing of the past. Tennis is at a all-time high in incredible baseline ralleys. In ideal tennis, you shouldn't be able to serve and volley as the baseline tennis should be too good to allow you to do that. Serve and volley should be used like zone defense should be used in the nba. To mix it up to keep the other player/team from getting a good rhythm.

swebright
06-25-2011, 09:46 PM
A little bit unrelated to the topic, but look what I found !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgDncDs2h5o&feature=related

tnosugar
06-25-2011, 10:06 PM
Just because they invented tennis, doesn't mean their gamestyles are interesting. For one, the shots didn't have as much power from the baseline in those days. It is weaker tennis. Even serve and volley mugs could handle those weak shots from the baseline. Thank goodness serve and volley is a thing of the past. Tennis is at a all-time high in incredible baseline ralleys. In ideal tennis, you shouldn't be able to serve and volley as the baseline tennis should be too good to allow you to do that. Serve and volley should be used like zone defense should be used in the nba. To mix it up to keep the other player/team from getting a good rhythm.

there is nothing more beautiful to see in tennis than an elegantly executed back-hand volley (think Edberg). in my humble opinion.

andylovesaustin
06-25-2011, 11:23 PM
Uh....:facepalm:

There times when players should THINK before they speak. It wouldn't hurt to use a little tact here and there, if the urge to share an opinion is overwhelming.

I mean... Rafito is entitled to his opinion. But you know there are a lot of people who loved Pete and his style of play. :shrug: And I say this as a fan of Andre the doper.

I just think...Rafa could have said something like... "Hey, it's all good... but different."

I guess tennis is popular in Spain right now. It ain't so popular in the U.S.

abraxas21
06-25-2011, 11:34 PM
Veía en mi casa un Sampras-Ivanisevic jugando aquí y...

I understand this as "a Sampras-Ivanisevic match"

he didn't say 'veía'. he said 'ver'.

ver jugar un Sampras-Ivanisevic aquí o este tipo de jugadores...

=

to see a sampras-ivanisevic here or this type of players...

Topspin Forehand
06-25-2011, 11:36 PM
Uh....:facepalm:

There times when players should THINK before they speak. It wouldn't hurt to use a little tact here and there, if the urge to share an opinion is overwhelming.

I mean... Rafito is entitled to his opinion. But you know there are a lot of people who loved Pete and his style of play. :shrug: And I say this as a fan of Andre the doper.

I just think...Rafa could have said something like... "Hey, it's all good... but different."

I guess tennis is popular in Spain right now. It ain't so popular in the U.S.
Funny people also criticize Nadal for saying all the right things and not speaking his mind. Double standard. People will always find ways to hate on Nadal.

Corey Feldman
06-25-2011, 11:37 PM
KneeDal believes Wimbledon should be played on clay courts

andylovesaustin
06-25-2011, 11:44 PM
Funny people also criticize Nadal for saying all the right things and not speaking his mind. Double standard. People will always find ways to hate on Nadal.

Give me a freakin' break. I LOVE Rafa. He's usually very careful with his words, I think. Of course, then I'm still a fan of Andre "the doper," too.

I'm just saying in general.. I don't care who said it... the speaker could have been a little more diplomatic... and acknowledge it's all relative.

I would imagine, A LOT of people found previous eras more interesting due to a variety of reasons.

Like I said, tennis ain't all that popular in the U.S. right now... I would think primarily because we don't have a dominant male player or players like we have in the past. So as much as I admire Rafa, I think he misspoke about which era is more interesting.

I just think there are a variety of factors making an era interesting to fans.

Topspin Forehand
06-25-2011, 11:46 PM
KneeDal believes Wimbledon should be played on clay courts
How clever. Just like the spelling of "nadull" :rolleyes: I can play that game as well. Frauderer or Fedull. And Nadal never said anything about how Wimbledon should play. But he'll take small favors if the courts do play a little slower. No reason to complain about things that help your game.

yuri27
06-25-2011, 11:47 PM
Funny people also criticize Nadal for saying all the right things and not speaking his mind. Double standard. People will always find ways to hate on Nadal.

As i said in one of my previous posts, i have no problem with Nadal saying he didn't like to watch a Sampras-Ivanisevic match.
On the other hand, i have a problem when he says that everyone (or the majority) prefer to watch the modern tennis.
How would he know?

thrust
06-25-2011, 11:53 PM
i lost all respect for sampras when he constantly bashes today's era saying its weak and they dont come to the net.
he has said that many times. once his justification was that how is james blake in the top 10, that was how he proved tennis was weak in today's era. this was in 2006 or 2007 i belive.

if he is willing to show no respect for this era, then im not going to respect his era.
sorry but thats just the way things work. thats how humans react to these things.
if sampras wants respect, then learn to respect today's era.
its about mutual respect.

personally i never liked 1990's tennis exactly due to the reasons nadal said here.
people might get hurt by what he said that loved 1990's tennis, but he was blunt in what he said.
whats that old saying, the truth hurts.

because of serve fests in the 1990's, wimbledon had to make changes.
nadal's point is reinforced by what wimbledon did in 2001.

there have been many new fans that started to watch tennis ever since serve fests were reduced or eliminated during the 2000's. tennis' popularity has risen dramatically since the federer-nadal era started.

for me tennis modernized during the 2000's to attract new fans to the sport. rallies are what people are there to watch, of course u want to see people going to the net and hitting a few aces. but u dont want serve fests which does not make the sport watchable to the casual sports fan.

i watched tennis during the 1990's but was always turned off due to extremely boring matches and boring characters apart from agassi.

i understand what fans of the 1990's say, and they are pretty hurt from this comment from nadal, example being ranginglamb who seems pretty disappointed in rafa's comment, but u gotta understand nadal's point of view and the point of view of the casual fan and the tennis authorities wanting to tweak the sport a bit.
sports will have to modernise to gain ratings as sport is more about entertainment these days. technology will get better, thats just the way every sport is, just look at golf clubs.

Your comments on 90's tennis are ridiculous and biased. If players then had today's technology available to them, they would be making the same sort of shots today's best players are. The players of every era played the best they could with the equipment available to them.

s.m.
06-26-2011, 12:43 AM
i find matches like nadal-coria from rome let s say, like stomach problem, you have to go to the toilet, but it just dosent come out
if i want to see gladiators, i will watch something where guys bash each other to death
kudos to the effort and skill, but that tennis nadal plays is usually so interesting it makes me want to switch channel or leave that court

Pirata.
06-26-2011, 01:51 AM
How clever. Just like the spelling of "nadull" :rolleyes: I can play that game as well. Frauderer or Fedull. And Nadal never said anything about how Wimbledon should play. But he'll take small favors if the courts do play a little slower. No reason to complain about things that help your game.

Fedull doesn't work because it doesn't gel with his name. Nadal = Nadull

Any variant of Federror, Frauderer, Failderer, Olderer, etc is acceptable.

Beforehand
06-26-2011, 01:59 AM
"Federror" never ceases to amuse me.

Pirata.
06-26-2011, 02:12 AM
I like Shankerer myself ;)

FairWeatherFan
06-26-2011, 04:27 AM
Yet more evidence of how dumb Nadal and his fans really are - not that we needed any more.

emotion
06-26-2011, 04:32 AM
I actually agree, but wow, what an asshole. Everyone enjoys it more, do they? Huh, that's odd. You'd think they'd be a bit more vocal about that.

Sophocles
06-26-2011, 04:50 AM
Faderer is subtle & accurate.

SERBINATOR
06-26-2011, 06:42 AM
hm... players like Borg, Mac, Edberg, Sampras INVENTED tennis, through history.
I don't see anything new that Nadal has brought to the game. I don't deny his achievements, but he is the last person who should talk about attractive game styles.

He incorporated WTA tactics to ATP the Moonballing goose

Arkulari
06-26-2011, 07:56 AM
Fedull doesn't work because it doesn't gel with his name. Nadal = Nadull

Any variant of Federror, Frauderer, Failderer, Olderer, etc is acceptable.

Sir Shank-A-Lot doesn't merge but has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? ;)

And yes, as usual, here's one of the cyclical Rafa hate threads, one of these days I'll write a program to predict when will the next one appear, the patterns are so predictable :o

I prefer Rafa speaking his mind than portraying himself as a quiet "humble" (no one in pro sports is that) man, he's growing up and getting more confident in English and I like that

Clay Death
06-26-2011, 08:23 AM
nadal is right. everybody understands this and knows this.

and he is quiet, shy, modest, reserved, and humble. blind haters just cannot hate him enough evidently

they live only to blindly hate him again for another day.


i have tried watching some of those old matches. grass was nothing more than a serving rodeo. they also didnt know how to maintain grass all that well back then. bounces were horribly inconsistent so you had no choice but to rush the net at times.

matches elsewhere looked like they were played in slo mo. i might as well watch the paint dry.

boring as hell itself. and for those who are looking for moonballers, look no further than borg and other topspinners of his day.

Start da Game
06-26-2011, 08:42 AM
just like heaven's translation which is the original stuff should silence everybody......he did not disrespect anybody, so i think we should stop it here and focus on wimbledon.......

SERBINATOR
06-26-2011, 09:07 AM
He disrespected 95% of the Legends by saying they didn't play REAL tennis and wasn't Fun to watch sampras vs Goran ...that's what the translation clearly says..heaven's is just trying to cover up his smug idol arrogant remarks

a foolish smug he is

Pirao666
06-26-2011, 10:39 AM
Uh....:facepalm:

There times when players should THINK before they speak. It wouldn't hurt to use a little tact here and there, if the urge to share an opinion is overwhelming.

I mean... Rafito is entitled to his opinion. But you know there are a lot of people who loved Pete and his style of play. :shrug: And I say this as a fan of Andre the doper.

I just think...Rafa could have said something like... "Hey, it's all good... but different."

I guess tennis is popular in Spain right now. It ain't so popular in the U.S.

Obviously, you don't have any player worth a sh*t.

JolánGagó
06-26-2011, 10:46 AM
the Goran-Sampras brigade almost drove me away from tennis back in the days, Spanish futures were far more enjoyable.

Nice to see Federinass' lickers and other assorted hatas up in arms for hearing true tea :spit: