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WWW Wimbledon Rd 4: Gasquet vs. Murray

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 09:55 PM
who?

Nearco
06-24-2011, 09:56 PM
Could go either way. Five setter hopefully.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-24-2011, 09:56 PM
Two clowns against each other.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 09:56 PM
Gasquet in str8

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 09:58 PM
i say gasquet in 4 sets......

Poirot123
06-24-2011, 09:58 PM
Considering it was announced on MTF a while ago that Gasquet had the greatest single back hand of all time (I forget who announced it) surely we cannot look beyond him? But anyhow, I think Murray isn't serving well enough to win in straights, so this could be pushed very close. I'm going Murray in 5.

CescAndyKimi
06-24-2011, 09:59 PM
Andy will take this.

Where does Gasquet hurt Andy? No where. Good backhand, decent forehand, good grass movement.

Andy matches and betters all his skills, unlike todays match the serve won't be such a problem, and when you compare how BADLY Murray served you have to favour him if he raises the percentage just a teeny bit.

Murray in 4 for me. The match is on his racquet, hopefully no brainfarts.

Gasqchoke will have a chance though if Murray serves like he did today. :help:

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:59 PM
I'm picking Gasquet in four but it could go either way.
Murray will have to play his best grass court match of the season to win this one though.
Playing like he played against Tsonga or Roddick at Queens won't be enough this time.

Elbarto
06-24-2011, 09:59 PM
Gasquet in 4 sets

the french Federer will win

guga2120
06-24-2011, 10:00 PM
Andy in 4.



the french Federer will win

No need to say that about Richard, he is a nice humble player.

jadey
06-24-2011, 10:00 PM
think this one might go the distance , going for Murray in 5

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:00 PM
Andy will take this.

Where does Gasquet hurt Andy? No where. Good backhand, decent forehand, good grass movement.

Andy matches and betters all his skills, unlike todays match the serve won't be such a problem, and when you compare how BADLY Murray served you have to favour him if he raises the percentage just a teeny bit.

Murray in 4 for me. The match is on his racquet, hopefully no brainfarts.

Gasqchoke will have a chance though if Murray serves like he did today. :help:

I stopped reading there.

Platypu$
06-24-2011, 10:01 PM
hopefully Gascoke... because it would be so painful to watch Mugray crying in front of home crowd when Rafa thumps his sorrow arse...

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 10:01 PM
Murray in 4.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:02 PM
Anyway,if Gasquet isn't fired up for this one after their last 2 encounters then he should really retire.

viruzzz
06-24-2011, 10:02 PM
I expect great tennis here.

shiaben
06-24-2011, 10:03 PM
Gasquet is mentally weak against Murray. Going with Murray.

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:03 PM
Murray in 4.

Gasquet simply sucks.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-24-2011, 10:05 PM
Terrible choking on both sides will lead to 5 sets. Exhausted winner will be kicked out in the next round. Book it.

GOAT = Fed
06-24-2011, 10:05 PM
Come on Rishard,

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:06 PM
Terrible choking on both sides will lead to 5 sets. Exhausted winner will be kicked out in the next round. Book it.Well if it goes to 5 there'll only be one winner, Gasquet's fitness is beyond horrible.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 10:07 PM
I'm picking Gasquet in four but it could go either way.
Murray will have to play his best grass court match of the season to win this one though.
Playing like he played against Tsonga or Roddick at Queens won't be enough this time.

Did you watch his match against Roddick? Gasquet will struggle to win games if Murray plays like that.

This match depends on how Murray plays. He won't have to worry about his second serve getting taken apart, nor will he have a serve bot to contend with.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:08 PM
GodMurray could take it.
Otherwise, the match is for Richard.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:08 PM
Did you watch his match against Roddick? Gasquet will struggle to win games if Murray plays like that.

This match depends on how Murray plays. He won't have to worry about his second serve getting taken apart, nor will he have a serve bot to contend with.

You're still thinking Roddick is a benchmark?:worship:

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:09 PM
Did you watch his match against Roddick? Gasquet will struggle to win games if Murray plays like that.

This match depends on how Murray plays. He won't have to worry about his second serve getting taken apart, nor will he have a serve bot to contend with.

I think you should really re-watch their 2008 encounter....:rolleyes:

misty1
06-24-2011, 10:10 PM
murray in 5

delboy
06-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Murray will need to up his game against coke, but I fully expect he will. If Muzza plays well he wins easy, its all on his racquet. If he plays shit and it goes to 5 then he still wins cos gascoke will have a mental breakdown. But Muzza in 3

green25814
06-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Epic five setter with Murray winning 134 - 132 after Gascoke chokes serving for it 53 times and hits 300 winners of Murray 2nd serves. The thread will be started by Filo V, and Richie will finally come out on page 46

Clydey
06-24-2011, 10:11 PM
I think you should really re-watch their 2008 encounter....:rolleyes:

I've seen it many times. I can count on one hand how many times Gasquet stepped in on the second serve.

Sham Kay
06-24-2011, 10:15 PM
Murray to rollercoaster his way to the QF's in 4.

Kubecki
06-24-2011, 10:15 PM
Andy in straight sets :)

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:17 PM
It will be definitely a great match, can't wait

yesh222
06-24-2011, 10:19 PM
It will be a great match. I wanna see both guys run around forehands to hit backhands. :)

TheRafaelNadal
06-24-2011, 10:21 PM
It's now or never for Gasquet. Probably the most underachieving tennis player on the planet in terms of raw talent. Centre Court(probably), against an above average grass court player, his best surface and he's been in the SF before at Wimbledon. Which isn't any worse than Murrays done. IF Gasquet is ever going to do anything it's going to be at Wimbledon might as well be this year. The path to the Semi finals will be open.

I think Gasquet will pose much more of a threat to Nadal than anyone else in his half.

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 10:23 PM
gasquet is mentally much calmer and stronger these days compared to 2008......

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 10:25 PM
i can see an upset

Johnny Groove
06-24-2011, 10:28 PM
Gasquet in 5.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:33 PM
Gasquet in 5.

I think just about everything can happen in that match but that.

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 10:34 PM
Murray wins in 4 or "Gasqut" in 5.

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:38 PM
gasquet is mentally much calmer and stronger these days compared to 2008......
Calmer and stronger doesn't make up for the fact he sucks now compared to his 2008 self...

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:41 PM
Gasquet in 5.

You live dangerously

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 10:44 PM
sdg trying all to avoid murray in semis . regardless how i don't see any chance for murray if that match happens, surely murray can do more than gasquet or please God not just Lopez

scarecrows
06-24-2011, 10:44 PM
could well be the time Gasquet takes it
he's playing well enough and Murray sucks under pressure

Clay Death
06-24-2011, 10:45 PM
i just dont see how gasquet can take this one.

he will have to snatch the first 2 sets or at least the very first one.

murray is proving to be relatively solid in all departments now. it will take one hell of an effort for gasquet.

also is gasquet willing to go forward? he is not beating the scotsman from the backcourt.

Clay Death
06-24-2011, 10:47 PM
sdg trying all to avoid murray in semis . regardless how i don't see any chance for murray if that match happens, surely murray can do more than gasquet or please God not just Lopez


you got that backwards old sport:

its the scotsman who fears the great clay warrior king.

get it right.

MIMIC
06-24-2011, 10:47 PM
Gasquet in 3. Murray in 5

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:50 PM
Gasquet has been looking great his last few matches and has given Murray trouble in the past... add in the fact that Gasquet is having a good season and finally appears to be gaining some consistancy in his game, and you get a picture that Murray really will have to watch out. Just a gut feeling, Gasquet in 4. maybe a bit surprising but if it did happen just finally Gasquet starting to execute some of his talent

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:50 PM
i just dont see how gasquet can take this one.

he will have to snatch the first 2 sets or at least the very first one.

murray is proving to be relatively solid in all departments now. it will take one hell of an effort for gasquet.

also is gasquet willing to go forward? he is not beating the scotsman from the backcourt.

And why not??
He was one game away from beating him playing like that in 2008.

Deathless Mortal
06-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Hopefully Gasquet.

Titi
06-24-2011, 10:51 PM
It's on Gasquet's racquet, I'm sure there will be one point in the match where he can pull away from Murray and win it. Whether he has the balls to finish him is another story.

Murray's not improving if you ask me, serve still goes walkabouts, pushing play most of the time. Stage is set for another GS defeat to an aggressive player.

If not this match, Rafa will get him later anyway.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 10:54 PM
Murray I think will win, but if he doesn't play more aggressively, Gasquet will have every chance to win the match.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 11:14 PM
Gasquet leads the pool.

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 11:15 PM
Gasquet leads the pool.
Gasquet seems to lead every poll on MTF due to his somewhat large yet undeserved fanbase.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 11:23 PM
Gasquet seems to lead every poll on MTF due to his somewhat large yet undeserved fanbase.


So sad Berdych has literally no fanbase :(

scarecrows
06-24-2011, 11:25 PM
Gasquet seems to lead every poll on MTF due to his somewhat large yet undeserved fanbase.

why?

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 11:25 PM
So sad Berdych has literally no fanbase :(
Yeah because a large fanbase leads to results :rolleyes:

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 11:27 PM
why?Well I mean he has a huge number of fans due to his looks :o

bleu_cheese
06-24-2011, 11:27 PM
Gasquet seems to lead every poll on MTF due to his somewhat large yet undeserved fanbase.

Proud fan of mugs, chokers and clowns? Surely Gasquet is right up your alley?

I'll be rooting for Gasquet, a good match is all I ask for.

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 11:27 PM
So sad Berdych has literally no fanbase :(

haha so true, mostly to blame is Berdych's lack of personality

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 11:28 PM
Proud fan of mugs, chokers and clowns? Surely Gasquet is right up your alley?

I'll be rooting for Gasquet, a good match is all I ask for.
Guy is in another league when it comes to the first 2 departments, not my thing.

Nasi
06-24-2011, 11:34 PM
Gasquet, clearly. Listen to that, Murray. Gasquet's got you beat. No reason to slack off or choke up. Total underdog in this one. No expectations at all. </reverse psychology>

Vlad1980
06-24-2011, 11:35 PM
Murray will feel the pressure. In 2008, he started swinging freely after he won 3rd set breaker. This time, he is the favorite and the pressure is really on him to do well. I like Richard's chances, especially given that this year it for the most part it took a hell of a player to beat Richard in most events after AO. I just don't see Murray is that kind of player.

EliSter
06-24-2011, 11:40 PM
Mugray in st8st.

BaselineSmash
06-24-2011, 11:42 PM
Gasquet to zip winners all around the court, playing for fun at some points, on his way to a four-set victory.

Murray depends on drawing out points against The Backhand so he can get the match on his terms later on (as Gasquet tires and makes errors), but on grass this contest is completely in Richie's hands. Frenchman always controls their matches (with the exception of Paris Bercy, perhaps), and it could be raining breaks as Murray predictably gets nervous on second serves and sees himself dominated time and again in most rallies which begin on an even keel.

Gasquet will come to the net more than Murray, closing out points and counteracting the Scot's counterpunch tactics. He'll also hit more winners on both sides, as he can close out rallies that he's bossing where so many of Murray's opponents can't.

Match of the day for me on Monday, because it marks another step in an intriguing rivalry, and Gasquet can make his move on a return the top 8 if he wins it.

Win-win match for me even if Murray pulls off an unlikely victory, but I'd really like to see Gasquet qualify for the World Tour Finals, so here's hoping he plays to his strengths and reminds us that he's an awful match-up for the world number 4.

MaxPower
06-24-2011, 11:48 PM
Judging from what I saw yesterday probably Gasquet in 3 or 4.

Knowing how it usually plays out maybe Gasquet chokes feeling he can actually win and Murray wins in 4/5 instead.

TheRafaelNadal
06-24-2011, 11:51 PM
This is going to be a boring 3 set win for Gasquet. Murray will shout and stmp on the ground when a far superior grass court player(superior but underachieving player) outclasses him all around the court. 6-2, 6-3, 6-4 win for Gasquet maybe a tie breaker if Murray can hit more than 40% of his 1st serves.

Sonja1989
06-24-2011, 11:53 PM
Gasquet will make a hard day for Murray and public. He has played excellent tennis recently but I think Murray wins, in 5 sets.

SerialKillerToBe
06-24-2011, 11:56 PM
Gasquet in 4 or 5. If not, Nadal in 3. If Nadal gets injured, Federer or Djokovic in 3.

Mountaindewslave
06-25-2011, 12:14 AM
This is going to be a boring 3 set win for Gasquet. Murray will shout and stmp on the ground when a far superior grass court player(superior but underachieving player) outclasses him all around the court. 6-2, 6-3, 6-4 win for Gasquet maybe a tie breaker if Murray can hit more than 40% of his 1st serves.

i like your faith in Gasquet, but you're right if Murray's first serve is not there I don't see him winning the match

CescAndyKimi
06-25-2011, 12:20 AM
Some people are going to be shocked at how easily Andy will take this one.

Maybe in 3 sets. Especially if Gasquet starts of slowly. Should Andy take the 1st set, this one will be over in 3. Book it.

ImmzB
06-25-2011, 12:27 AM
Gasquet seems to lead every poll on MTF due to his somewhat large yet undeserved fanbase.

Jealous he has more fans than Berdych! :haha: :lol:

Certinfy
06-25-2011, 12:33 AM
Jealous he has more fans than Berdych! :haha: :lol:
Why would I be jealous? I would rather Berdych have no fans than a large majority of them being as fucking deluded as they are as well as just supporting him for his looks. :wavey:

ImmzB
06-25-2011, 12:37 AM
Why would I be jealous? I would rather Berdych have no fans than a large majority of them being as fucking deluded as they are as well as just supporting him for his looks. :wavey:

You tell me.... Well most people who are not deluded don't support Berdych! :)

Who supports him for his looks?

Certinfy
06-25-2011, 12:41 AM
You tell me.... Well most people who are not deluded don't support Berdych! :)

Who supports him for his looks?
How is that?

Hahaha do you really have to ask that? :lol: You post in his forum, you obviously know!

Sonja1989
06-25-2011, 12:42 AM
Haha Jason and Imran. :yeah:

:haha:

ImmzB
06-25-2011, 12:42 AM
How is that?

Hahaha do you really have to ask that? :lol:

Because he hardly has fans and they don't see any reason to support him.

Yes.....

Certinfy
06-25-2011, 12:47 AM
Because he hardly has fans and they don't see any reason to support him.

Yes.....
And what? You guys have a reason to support Gasquet? What that's, because he's 'good' looking?

It's funny because so many of these fans say they support him due to his 'lovely' backhand, here's an idea, go support fucking Wawrinka, Almagro or whatever instead if you love your backhands so much.

Argenbrit
06-25-2011, 12:53 AM
Could go either way. In 4 or 5.

yuri27
06-25-2011, 12:55 AM
Murray will feel the pressure. In 2008, he started swinging freely after he won 3rd set breaker. This time, he is the favorite and the pressure is really on him to do well. I like Richard's chances, especially given that this year it for the most part it took a hell of a player to beat Richard in most events after AO. I just don't see Murray is that kind of player.

That's true.

Cloudygirl
06-25-2011, 01:00 AM
Well I mean he has a huge number of fans due to his looks fantastic backhand and shotmaking :o

corrected that for you :wavey:

Nasi
06-25-2011, 01:13 AM
You tell me.... Well most people who are not deluded don't support Berdych! :)

Who supports him for his looks?

I support him for that awesome time he put his finger to his lips and shushed the crowd.

It doesn't take much to win my approval!

Ibracadabra
06-25-2011, 01:17 AM
Gasquet two sets and a break up before getting injured.

Gasquetno.1
06-25-2011, 01:18 AM
And what? You guys have a reason to support Gasquet? What that's, because he's 'good' looking?

It's funny because so many of these fans say they support him due to his 'lovely' backhand, here's an idea, go support fucking Wawrinka, Almagro or whatever instead if you love your backhands so much.

Well clearly Gasquet's backhand is a lot better looking and fluid than these other backhands. Plus I know that me and a lot of other male (straight) people support Gasquet so I don't know where you get that good looking idea from :o

Xenosys
06-25-2011, 01:19 AM
If Murray's serve and forehand are firing, then it'll be over in 3 straight. Otherwise, a tough 5 setter, with Murray still prevailing.

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 01:49 AM
watch this french clown choke once again aginst murray at wimbledon.

gasquet is nothing, just an overrated player.

he might play murray close but thats about it.
when it comes to the big moments, he will choke.

FerrerAndNadal
06-25-2011, 01:57 AM
Richy in 5

Britain's no.2
06-25-2011, 02:07 AM
murray in 3, his legs are too thick for the frog

silverwhite
06-25-2011, 02:17 AM
Murray, DUH. I just hope there's no repeat of Wimby 08 and RG 10 in terms of how those matches were lost :help: :tape:

silverwhite
06-25-2011, 02:18 AM
Oh, and LMAO at Certinfy's continued obsession with Gasquet. He's clearly a closeted fan :awww:

guy in sf
06-25-2011, 02:24 AM
So they've played 4 times total, 2 a piece and in the 2 times Murray won it went to 5 sets, so not sure how some of you are jumping to the conclusion it's going to be Murray straight sets in a year where Murray has been sucking big time and on Gasquet's best surface. Just doesn't add up but then again those thinking it's going to be Murray in straight sets all have the English flag next to their avatar so there you go.

angry1
06-25-2011, 02:26 AM
Given current form this should be very close. Having said that if Murray gets ahead early I reckon Gasquet will be a lot less of a problem than if he gets going early especially as I reckon the crowd being loudly pro-Murray will distress him.

Gasquet winning this wouldn't say anything about relative talent even if by a triple bagel, talent is shown by great tournaments and beating multiple slam champions(Nadal) at slams not occasional flashes or crushing lesser players(Murray)there.

Murray in 5 and playing a great 5th set would do me.

angry1
06-25-2011, 02:31 AM
So they've played 4 times total, 2 a piece and in the 2 times Murray won it went to 5 sets, so not sure how some of you are jumping to the conclusion it's going to be Murray straight sets in a year where Murray has been sucking big time and on Gasquet's best surface. Just doesn't add up but then again those thinking it's going to be Murray in straight sets all have the English flag next to their avatar so there you go.

He's matched his career best at one and surpassed it at the other slam, that's hardly sucking. How talented do you think Murray is to say that a final and a semi are so poor for him?

The most recent Murray in 3 tip was beside a British flag, not an English one.

lalit
06-25-2011, 02:55 AM
murray in 3 or murray in 4

fast_clay
06-25-2011, 03:59 AM
gasquet to realise the ocean of class between he and murray followed immediately by a straights set defeat...

Mountaindewslave
06-25-2011, 04:08 AM
watch this french clown choke once again aginst murray at wimbledon.

gasquet is nothing, just an overrated player.

he might play murray close but thats about it.
when it comes to the big moments, he will choke.

his choking has not really been existant much this year, Gasquet seems different than before

freeandlonely
06-25-2011, 04:11 AM
Come on Gasquet.

Ouragan
06-25-2011, 05:51 AM
I think Muzza. But I would put my money on Gasquet.

Start da Game
06-25-2011, 08:55 AM
murray is the one that's under pressure, not gasquet......nobody cares if he loses this match, but if murray loses they all will go mad......add to that gasquet is more mature than he was 3 years ago which should help the matters even better.......all gasquet needs to do is serve intelligently.......

incognito0015
06-25-2011, 09:04 AM
Go Richard !!! I'm confident he can win this.

ossie
06-25-2011, 09:38 AM
gascoke hasn't been up against a half decent player yet. however i am expecting murray to forget how to play tennis for a set or two like he always does but he should take the match in 4 or 5.

GSMnadal
06-25-2011, 09:55 AM
Gasquet will shut britain up in 3 high quality sets... or he chokes it away in 5. One or the other, looking forward to this match either way.

Gagsquet
06-25-2011, 10:07 AM
If Gasquet's serve is on, it would be embarrassing for Muzza.
Just don't forget how clutch the new Gasquet is ( c.f Federer/Gasquet Rome)

Audacity
06-25-2011, 10:11 AM
Gasquet doesn't stand a chance. Hilarious everyone talking him up.

yuri27
06-25-2011, 10:15 AM
Gasquet doesn't stand a chance. Hilarious everyone talking him up.

Murray struggled to beat Clownga last week and Gasquet >> Tsonga on grass,not to mention his game is a worse match up for Murray than Tsonga's game(Murray generally eats alive serve and volleyers).
But yes,apart that,Gasquet doesn't stand a chance......

KarlyM
06-25-2011, 10:18 AM
Murray in 5, and (hopefully for Gasquet) not from 2 sets down.

GSMnadal
06-25-2011, 10:18 AM
Murray struggled to beat Clownga last week and Gasquet >> Tsonga on grass,not to mention his game is a worse match up for Murray than Tsonga's game(Murray generally eat alive serve and volleyers).
But yes,apart that,Gasquet doesn't stand a chance......

Not to forget, he lost sets to Ljubicic and Gimeno-Traver.

yuri27
06-25-2011, 10:23 AM
Unless Gasquet has a totally off-day and/or chokes again,i feel that the only way Murray can win this one is to serve more than 75% of 1st serves and to return like a god.
Gasquet has potentially more firepower than him from the baseline,from both wings should i say(yes,even FH).

Sham Kay
06-25-2011, 10:32 AM
This is going to be a boring 3 set win for Gasquet. Murray will shout and stmp on the ground when a far superior grass court player(superior but underachieving player) outclasses him all around the court. 6-2, 6-3, 6-4 win for Gasquet maybe a tie breaker if Murray can hit more than 40% of his 1st serves.
Now come on. This goes without saying. He could win with three breadsticks and still find something to get himself riled up about! Much love there.

Clydey
06-25-2011, 11:06 AM
Gasquet to zip winners all around the court, playing for fun at some points, on his way to a four-set victory.

Murray depends on drawing out points against The Backhand so he can get the match on his terms later on (as Gasquet tires and makes errors), but on grass this contest is completely in Richie's hands. Frenchman always controls their matches (with the exception of Paris Bercy, perhaps), and it could be raining breaks as Murray predictably gets nervous on second serves and sees himself dominated time and again in most rallies which begin on an even keel.

Gasquet will come to the net more than Murray, closing out points and counteracting the Scot's counterpunch tactics. He'll also hit more winners on both sides, as he can close out rallies that he's bossing where so many of Murray's opponents can't.

Match of the day for me on Monday, because it marks another step in an intriguing rivalry, and Gasquet can make his move on a return the top 8 if he wins it.

Win-win match for me even if Murray pulls off an unlikely victory, but I'd really like to see Gasquet qualify for the World Tour Finals, so here's hoping he plays to his strengths and reminds us that he's an awful match-up for the world number 4.

You really do talk rubbish. If Murray pulls off an unlikely victory? It's a good job the oddsmakers don't employ you.

syc23
06-25-2011, 11:11 AM
People talk up this French cocaine user like he's a 16 time GS champion :rolleyes:

Clydey
06-25-2011, 11:13 AM
Unless Gasquet has a totally off-day and/or chokes again,i feel that the only way Murray can win this one is to serve more than 75% of 1st serves and to return like a god.
Gasquet has potentially more firepower than him from the baseline,from both wings should i say(yes,even FH).

You just get worse and worse.

What has Gasquet ever done to justify what you are saying? Murray has shown over the years that he is several classes above Gasquet. Andy needs to play poorly for Richie to have a shot. No amount of wanking over Gasquet's backhand can change the fact that Murray has shown time and again that he is a superior player.

chris whiteside
06-25-2011, 11:13 AM
Hate to say it but on what I've seen so far this could be an embarrassing three set defeat for Murray unless his serve suddenly improves greatly.

Bad feeling about this.

Clydey
06-25-2011, 11:14 AM
People talk up this French cocaine user like he's a 16 time GS champion :rolleyes:

It's insane.

I'm not even saying that Gasquet can't win. He is good enough to beat an off form Muzza. However, he has done nothing to indicate that he should be favoured.

Mungo
06-25-2011, 11:27 AM
If Gasquet's serve is on, it would be embarrassing for Muzza.
Just don't forget how clutch the new Gasquet is ( c.f Federer/Gasquet Rome)

Who doesn't look clutch playing against Fakerer? :lol:

cfenton463
06-25-2011, 11:33 AM
Gasquet is playing well this year and Murray hasn't played great so far and he generally seems to struggle in the 4th round at Wimbledon (Gasquet and Wawrinka) so I think it will be close but Murray in 5, hopefully not from 2 sets down like the last two meetings

Gagsquet
06-25-2011, 11:43 AM
It's insane.

I'm not even saying that Gasquet can't win. He is good enough to beat an off form Muzza. However, he has done nothing to indicate that he should be favoured.

In term of results, I would agree.
But, in term of current form, it's a toss-up.

Clydey
06-25-2011, 11:48 AM
In term of results, I would agree.
But, in term of current form, it's a toss-up.

Finally, a sensible comment.

I'll be putting money on Gasquet precisely because he is in better form than Andy.

incognito0015
06-25-2011, 11:52 AM
Gasquet has a big talent, don't underestimate him. In terms of pure talent, I think he is even better than Murray.

Certinfy
06-25-2011, 12:19 PM
Murray struggled to beat Clownga last week and Gasquet >> Tsonga on grass,not to mention his game is a worse match up for Murray than Tsonga's game(Murray generally eats alive serve and volleyers).
But yes,apart that,Gasquet doesn't stand a chance......
For the first 2 sets Tsonga was playing tennis that Gasquet could only dream about playing at this moment in time. :stupid: How is Gasquet's game worse for Murray on grass? Tsonga's obviously is, huge serve and non stop attacking. Don't be so deluded.

Cloudygirl
06-25-2011, 12:31 PM
Jase you couldn't be any more biased against Richard if you tried.

Richard took Andy to 5 sets in 2008 when he was frankly having a completely crappy few months, he took him to 5 sets at Roland Garros when he'd played solid for 2 weeks and was dead on his feet and playing nothing like at the level he is now.

They have a level head to head and every match but one they have played has gone to the max no of sets. It's ridiculous to suggest that this isn't a match up that is difficult for Andy. Tennis is always about match ups and this is one that always gives good matches and I'm looking forward to it.

Certinfy
06-25-2011, 12:39 PM
Jase you couldn't be any more biased against Richard if you tried.

Richard took Andy to 5 sets in 2008 when he was frankly having a completely crappy few months, he took him to 5 sets at Roland Garros when he'd played solid for 2 weeks and was dead on his feet and playing nothing like at the level he is now.

They have a level head to head and every match but one they have played has gone to the max no of sets. It's ridiculous to suggest that this isn't a match up that is difficult for Andy. Tennis is always about match ups and this is one that always gives good matches and I'm looking forward to it.

What about Murray though, Murray hadn't really done crap going into that match with Gasquet at Wimbledon either, he was back outside the top 10 and didn't do well in any of the Master Series Events or Grand Slams going into Wimbledon that year, so it's not like Murray was playing his best tennis there either.

That's Murray on clay though, I mean come on Berdych destroyed the exact same Murray only a few rounds later, that's how poor Murray was. Not saying Gasquet wasn't good because he was for the first 2 sets and a half, but that's clay, shouldn't even be included in this discussion. The fact Murray won says a lot anyway.

All I'm saying is so far this year in most of the matches I've seen Gasquet play he's been 10 feet behind the baseline, and even when I've seen him play aggressive (Rome vs Federer, Berdych) I still think Murray has the game to neutralise it quite efficiently over the course of the match and let Gasquet's fitness come into play. But seriously I've always considered Tsonga to be a far worse matchup for Murray on both grass and hard.

I'm looking forward to it as well. ;)

CescAndyKimi
06-25-2011, 12:47 PM
Not to forget, he lost sets to Ljubicic and Gimeno-Traver.

You are such a tard. Nadal dropped 2 sets to Petschzner when in won Wimbledon last year. Stfu about dropping sets to players. DO you actually watch the Tennis?

nole_no1
06-25-2011, 12:49 PM
Richie in 5 sets :yeah:

CescAndyKimi
06-25-2011, 12:50 PM
Gasquet doesn't stand a chance. Hilarious everyone talking him up.

This. I don't want to jinx it, but Murray would have to play at a disgustingly low level for him not to beat Gaschoke on Monday.

Ljubicic was serving 70% unreal serves today and Murray took him out in 4 playing at a disgusting level.

Murray will have A LOT of looks on the Gaschoke serve, and unless Gaschoke comes to net all match he will lose this in 3 or 4. Not a chance of him troubling Murray from baseline, not a chance.

Gagsquet
06-25-2011, 01:07 PM
This. I don't want to jinx it, but Murray would have to play at a disgustingly low level for him not to beat Gaschoke on Monday.

Ljubicic was serving 70% unreal serves today and Murray took him out in 4 playing at a disgusting level.

Murray will have A LOT of looks on the Gaschoke serve, and unless Gaschoke comes to net all match he will lose this in 3 or 4. Not a chance of him troubling Murray from baseline, not a chance.

Definition of a delusional fan

BaselineSmash
06-25-2011, 01:15 PM
Folks comparing Gasquet and Murray's trophy cabinets as if that will magically produce the WWW answer.

Gasquet's staccato shotmaking has always frustrated the Scot's strategy of tangling opponents in a web of arduous rallies punctuated by bamboozling off-pace groundstrokes mixed with unpredictable aggression. Trouble is, Murray likes time to build points and Gasquet can close out in 2-5 shots with a frequency which always frustrates the hell out of the Scot. Furthermore, even when the exchanges are extended, Murray too often throws in one of his shallow slow-moving backhands/forehands, which are an open invitation to Gasquet to strike and advance further in the scoreline.

Some stunningly pseudo-sage comments from Clydey in here too, coming off like studying the form of players in a tournament is the province of only the most insightful analysts. The respective paths of both players at SW19 this year has marked a clear contrast, but to make out that this is more relevant than their H2H is quite ridiculous and even makes one feel a little embarassed for those claiming this; if Richie was in 2009 form perhaps you could discount his chances here, but he's back on song so anyone with a semblance of objectivity has to pay lipservice to the H2H, during which Murray has never been the favourite in the past.

tennishero
06-25-2011, 01:19 PM
gasquet in 4, lol at delusional murraytards

Guga_fan
06-25-2011, 01:40 PM
Really hope Richie can keep a high level of play for 3 whole sets, he has a nice chance to make the semis here

cutesteve22
06-25-2011, 01:42 PM
hope Richard could win this

Tenn1sAdd1ct
06-25-2011, 01:48 PM
Gasquet it slightly better grass player and he should win but as always will he be able execute. Probably not.

Sapeod
06-25-2011, 02:13 PM
Murray in 4. Gasquet doesn't have what it takes to beat Andy in a 5 setter. We've all seen what happens, and Andy is even better than in those matches.

Saberq
06-25-2011, 02:20 PM
Murray in 4. Gasquet doesn't have what it takes to beat Andy in a 5 setter. We've all seen what happens, and Andy is even better than in those matches.

You are too generous he will beat him in 3 sets easy....

Gasquetno.1
06-25-2011, 02:35 PM
Sadly when you've been 2 sets and a break up against a player twice and lost the match it's going to be extremely hard for Gasquet to forget this and if he gets in the position to close it out not sure he can take it!

Sapeod
06-25-2011, 02:39 PM
You are too generous he will beat him in 3 sets easy....
Murray has lost a set to Gimeno-Traver and Ljubicic. Gasquet is better than them on grass, so I see Murray upping his game but still losing a set. 4 sets for Andy.

If it's a straights set win though, it will be great, because then it will show the Gasquet fans who is the boss.

Gagsquet
06-25-2011, 02:43 PM
Murray has lost a set to Gimeno-Traver and Ljubicic. Gasquet is better than them on grass, so I see Murray upping his game but still losing a set. 4 sets for Andy.

If it's a straights set win though, it will be great, because then it will show the Gasquet fans who is the boss.

Richard has far more chance to win in str8 than Murraigne.

Clydey
06-25-2011, 02:48 PM
Folks comparing Gasquet and Murray's trophy cabinets as if that will magically produce the WWW answer.

Gasquet's staccato shotmaking has always frustrated the Scot's strategy of tangling opponents in a web of arduous rallies punctuated by bamboozling off-pace groundstrokes mixed with unpredictable aggression. Trouble is, Murray likes time to build points and Gasquet can close out in 2-5 shots with a frequency which always frustrates the hell out of the Scot. Furthermore, even when the exchanges are extended, Murray too often throws in one of his shallow slow-moving backhands/forehands, which are an open invitation to Gasquet to strike and advance further in the scoreline.

Some stunningly pseudo-sage comments from Clydey in here too, coming off like studying the form of players in a tournament is the province of only the most insightful analysts. The respective paths of both players at SW19 this year has marked a clear contrast, but to make out that this is more relevant than their H2H is quite ridiculous and even makes one feel a little embarassed for those claiming this; if Richie was in 2009 form perhaps you could discount his chances here, but he's back on song so anyone with a semblance of objectivity has to pay lipservice to the H2H, during which Murray has never been the favourite in the past.

Of course it is more relevant than their H2H. By all means explain why a match on clay and a match from 2008 are even remotely relevant to Monday's match? I find it astonishing that anyone would suggest Gasquet is the favourite in 2011, when he was 3 places higher in the rankings in 2008 and still could not get the job done.

Also, take the trouble to actually read the thread. At no point did I say that Gasquet has no chance. I even said that I would be putting money on him, based entirely on how they have both performed this week.

Sapeod
06-25-2011, 03:02 PM
Richard has far more chance to win in str8 than Murraigne.
Murray has a far better chance of winning this match than the other player.

Gagsquet
06-25-2011, 03:05 PM
Others players? Like who?

yuri27
06-25-2011, 03:07 PM
For the first 2 sets Tsonga was playing tennis that Gasquet could only dream about playing at this moment in time. :stupid: How is Gasquet's game worse for Murray on grass? Tsonga's obviously is, huge serve and non stop attacking. Don't be so deluded.

Don't make me laugh.
The guy couldn't execute a drop shot to save his life during that match.
On the other hand, Gasquet's performance during two sets and half against Murray in 2008 was the complete package: FH and BH winners,return winners,aces,great volleys,drop shots.

Hian-GOAT
06-25-2011, 03:49 PM
First time I'll cheer for Mugray :spit: Go Andy

guy in sf
06-26-2011, 08:29 PM
If Gasquet loses it would be because of the mental thing.
If Murray loses it would be because he was outplayed.

Eliande
06-26-2011, 08:41 PM
Gasquet in 4... I hope!:angel:

Dougie
06-26-2011, 08:49 PM
Can´t really see Gasquet losing this one. Richie in 4!

Certinfy
06-26-2011, 09:03 PM
Don't make me laugh.
The guy couldn't execute a drop shot to save his life during that match.
On the other hand, Gasquet's performance during two sets and half against Murray in 2008 was the complete package: FH and BH winners,return winners,aces,great volleys,drop shots.
Complete package against a Murray who wasn't even playing that well :worship:

Orka_n
06-26-2011, 09:15 PM
I like this matchup. Odds are on Murray but Richard is in with a shot here.

Sham Kay
06-26-2011, 09:19 PM
I'd hate to show any scraps of objectivity as fans seemingly aren't allowed it but on current form, ignoring previous achievements.. Gasquet has a great chance to take this if he starts great.. considering Murrays form has been patchy and slightly random, while Gasquet is friggin cruising showcasing alot of that huge talent of his.

Predicting purely form wise- Gasquet in 4.

I wish I'm as wrong as can be of course. Of course of course.

FormerRafaFan
06-26-2011, 09:23 PM
Murray in 3. Richie is no match for Muzza

tektonac
06-26-2011, 09:31 PM
judging by the poll murray is not much loved here. sadly i have him win this one.

Mario000
06-26-2011, 09:35 PM
last two times,murray overcome 0-2, I am afraid he won't do that tommorow.

Cloudygirl
06-26-2011, 09:38 PM
Well loads more people appear to secretly like Richie.

I wouldn't dare to hazard a guess on who wins this one. I hope it's a good match though.

cobalt60
06-26-2011, 09:48 PM
Murray in 4. Best match of the round of 16 this year. Home boy and all :p

Britain's no.2
06-26-2011, 10:11 PM
Well loads more people appear to secretly like Richie.

I wouldn't dare to hazard a guess on who wins this one. I hope it's a good match though.

no, its because murray has by far the most haters on this forum out of everyone, ;) these polls are pointless as 90% of people on here vote for who they prefer.

oz_boz
06-26-2011, 10:21 PM
Gazza will take it this time, in 4 - none of these players respond well to pressure; Murray being the favourite on paper and the British hyping him will make him find a way to lose this.

Clydey
06-26-2011, 10:28 PM
Not feeling at all confident. Murray isn't playing well enough at the moment. I wouldn't be at all shocked if Gasquet won this.

If I'm Murray, I would be playing to Gasquet's forehand all day.

yuri27
06-27-2011, 12:04 AM
Not feeling at all confident. Murray isn't playing well enough at the moment. I wouldn't be at all shocked if Gasquet won this.

If I'm Murray, I would be playing to Gasquet's forehand all day.

I also would but there are 2 problems i see in this tactic:

1-Gasquet's rally FH has definitely improved in the last few months.It's a more solid shot now.

2-His FH is usually less of a weakness on grass.

Murray should most of all target Gasquet's serve,not necessarly because Gasquet's serve is weak(it's actually very good on grass) but because ROS is the main shot that Murray has and that Gasquet doesn't have(or at least not as consistently good).

angry1
06-27-2011, 01:26 AM
Why are so many Gasquet fans so sure he'll win, many even sure that he'll win easily?

As far as I can see there are valid reasons for tipping either with some doubt.

Murray: by far the greater achievements, won their only grass meeting, and better Wimbledon record. Gasquet: playing the better tennis this tournament and has led by 2 sets or won every meeting between the pair.

Some Gasquet fans and Murray haters point to his greater talent as the main reason, but if it exists it has done so while my reasons for marginally preferring Murray's chances were accruing.

Ibracadabra
06-27-2011, 01:39 AM
Gasquet in 4

Schu
06-27-2011, 01:39 AM
I'd hate to show any scraps of objectivity as fans seemingly aren't allowed it but on current form, ignoring previous achievements.. Gasquet has a great chance to take this if he starts great.. considering Murrays form has been patchy and slightly random, while Gasquet is friggin cruising showcasing alot of that huge talent of his.

Predicting purely form wise- Gasquet in 4.

I wish I'm as wrong as can be of course. Of course of course.

:hatoff: be careful or you will ruin the reputaion of Murray fans. Now I'll throw in a bit of objectivity from a Gasquet fan.

IF Richie can start off fast and play his attacking grass court tennis for 3 FULL sets he's got a very good chance to take it in straight. But this is a huge question mark. I haven't seen much of that aggression in Gasquet's previous matches at Wimby this year; not sure he can just turn it on in such a big match.

ANd If Richie starts off slow or out of sync, Andy will get on roll, get the crowd fired up, start returning well, chasing down Richard's outrageous shots, richard will start to panic and press too much and things could get ugly for us Richie fans.

If it goes to 5 Andy becomes a HUGE favorite; Richard appears to be a lot tougher mentally and in better shape than ever before but 5 sets agaisnt Andy on Center Court Wimbledon could prove too much for him. Then again Andy could crater under the hype too.

Hoping SOOO much it's Gasquet in 3 or 4 but wouldn't be surprised at anything that happens.

angry1
06-27-2011, 02:23 AM
]:hatoff: be careful or you will ruin the reputaion of Murray fans. Now I'll throw in a bit of objectivity from a Gasquet fan.[/B]

IF Richie can start off fast and play his attacking grass court tennis for 3 FULL sets he's got a very good chance to take it in straight. But this is a huge question mark. I haven't seen much of that aggression in Gasquet's previous matches at Wimby this year; not sure he can just turn it on in such a big match.

ANd If Richie starts off slow or out of sync, Andy will get on roll, get the crowd fired up, start returning well, chasing down Richard's outrageous shots, richard will start to panic and press too much and things could get ugly for us Richie fans.

If it goes to 5 Andy becomes a HUGE favorite; Richard appears to be a lot tougher mentally and in better shape than ever before but 5 sets agaisnt Andy on Center Court Wimbledon could prove too much for him. Then again Andy could crater under the hype too.

Hoping SOOO much it's Gasquet in 3 or 4 but wouldn't be surprised at anything that happens.


There's a thread about Murray's improvements required and after less than 2 pages there are 5 purely abusive comments. Maybe that's why Murray fans lack the objectivity required to impress MTF by tipping him to lose every match.

With some of the rubbish about how vastly superior Gasquet is in every aspect of the game to Murray I don't think your lot are winning any prizes either. When a player has such a lead in achievements to repeatedly suggest he has no facets of his game that are worthy of comparison is laughable. To clarify saying Gasquet is generally superior but Murray close in parts I'd still disagree, it's the statement of fact everything is better style comments that are moronic and one way, no Murray fan* I've seen slags Gasquet off like many Gasquet(and Tsonga) fans do Murray.

Look at the rankings now and last time Murray won at Wimbledon 4 vs 13 now, 11 vs 10 then, yet Gasquet leads the poll how can anybody who reckons Murray has no chance be any more reasonable than someone who gives Gasquet none? Then Murray retired hurt at Queens this year he won it, in bith tournaments Murray's scores are less impressive though more clearly this year.

* I don't read Muzzatard any more so I don't know if he does.

tennizen
06-27-2011, 03:51 AM
I have a feeling Gasquet is going to take this in 4

Nasi
06-27-2011, 04:20 AM
Well loads more people appear to secretly like Richie.

I wouldn't dare to hazard a guess on who wins this one. I hope it's a good match though.

I voted for Gasquet, despite preferring Murray. The reason is simple: years of watching him play have taught me that he's good enough to beat anyone on any given day, and bad enough to lose to anyone on any other given day. ;) You never know what you're gonna get. So I expect the worst, hope for the best, and am relieved when he pulls through.

Hence my pessimistic vote for Gasquet. :) But I won't be remotely surprised tomorrow if it goes my boy's way, either. Just relieved.

bad gambler
06-27-2011, 06:28 AM
Murray to win 6-2 6-4 6-3

icecastle
06-27-2011, 06:56 AM
Jealous he has more fans than Berdych! :haha: :lol:

:lol: So true!

Why would I be jealous? I would rather Berdych have no fans than a large majority of them being as fucking deluded as they are as well as just supporting him for his looks. :wavey:

Bitter! :p And are you sure you're not deluded for supporting Berdych? Nothing really special with the way he plays anyway, just some regular mug. :shrug: At least Richard has a beautiful BH and famous for it.

Because he hardly has fans and they don't see any reason to support him.

Yes.....

:yeah:

And what? You guys have a reason to support Gasquet? What that's, because he's 'good' looking?

It's funny because so many of these fans say they support him due to his 'lovely' backhand, here's an idea, go support fucking Wawrinka, Almagro or whatever instead if you love your backhands so much.

Many players are even better looking than Gasquet but dont have as many fans.

dipral
06-27-2011, 07:08 AM
Hopfully Gasquet can show more psysical toughness than their last encounting.

born_on_clay
06-27-2011, 07:09 AM
Richard in 5

allpro
06-27-2011, 07:19 AM
brokeback murray in four.

FedererXPress
06-27-2011, 07:51 AM
Murray in 5. He doesn't usually wither up and disappear in GS matches until he sees one of the real Big Three. I hope I'm wrong and Gasquet destroys him in straight sets ;)

yuri27
06-27-2011, 08:07 AM
Murray in 5. He doesn't usually wither up and disappear in GS matches until he sees one of the real Big Three. I hope I'm wrong and Gasquet destroys him in straight sets ;)

Except at us open it seems.

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 08:07 AM
IF Richie can start off fast and play his attacking grass court tennis for 3 FULL sets he's got a very good chance to take it in straight. But this is a huge question mark. I haven't seen much of that aggression in Gasquet's previous matches at Wimby this year; not sure he can just turn it on in such a big match.

ANd If Richie starts off slow or out of sync, Andy will get on roll, get the crowd fired up, start returning well, chasing down Richard's outrageous shots, richard will start to panic and press too much.

That is what conventional wisdom would propose after their previous matches. Richard has to start well and close it out early if he wants to win this.

However, my take on that match is slightly different. Richard often plays better from behind than as a front runner, and did not Murray lose his serve against Ljubicic when he served for the match? He still won of course, but he is not untouchable in those situations either.

Ad Wim
06-27-2011, 11:28 AM
Wow, poll says about 50-50 match. Usually we're pretty much on the money with these polls.
The bookies think otherwise...

TheRafaelNadal
06-27-2011, 11:55 AM
I got 20 on Gasquet winning in 3 straight sets. Will get 140 euros if it happens. I'm feeling confident. Better player will beat an inferior overrated thug. I got insurance on a Gasquet 4-1 as well just incase Gasquet flaps around again. No point in putting 5 sets because if it does go to 5 mugray will win.

delboy
06-27-2011, 12:14 PM
If coke wins I will change my name to gasquet lover and have a homosexual gasquet avatar for a year. It aint happening. Muzza in 3 or 4.

They are saying the courts are playing much faster today because of the hot weather.

Getta
06-27-2011, 12:16 PM
go Andy go, allez Richie :rocker2:

Gagsquet
06-27-2011, 12:18 PM
If coke wins I will change my name to gasquet lover and have a homosexual gasquet avatar for a year. It aint happening. Muzza in 3 or 4.

They are saying the courts are playing much faster today because of the hot weather.

You can't change your name but if Gasquet wins, I hope you will have the balls to put a Gasquet's avatar.

NJ88
06-27-2011, 12:35 PM
Murray to win in four or five. Could be a close match.

MsTree
06-27-2011, 03:32 PM
I got 20 on Gasquet winning in 3 straight sets. Will get 140 euros if it happens. I'm feeling confident. Better player will beat an inferior overrated thug. I got insurance on a Gasquet 4-1 as well just incase Gasquet flaps around again. No point in putting 5 sets because if it does go to 5 mugray will win.

A 14 yr old fool and their pocket money are soon parted :wavey:

Certinfy
06-27-2011, 03:34 PM
This thread defines MTF logic.

decrepitude
06-27-2011, 03:44 PM
Only 10% voted for Muzza in 3 :haha:

Admittedly I thought Gasquet would get at least one set.

MsTree
06-27-2011, 04:49 PM
I didn't think he would do it in straights. Well done to the 10% who picked it! :D

Sapeod
06-27-2011, 10:13 PM
Lmao @ the 79 people who thought Gasquet would win. He didn't even get a set :wavey:

Mungo
06-27-2011, 10:23 PM
Gasquet showed AGAIN why he's not and will never be a big match player.

ossie
06-28-2011, 12:32 AM
gasquet in 4, lol at delusional murraytards
yeah

jcempire
06-28-2011, 02:26 AM
Andy plays well so far. Keep going. Hope a great match in Semi with Nadal