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Wimbledon R3: [4] Murray def. Ljubicic 6-4 4-6 6-1 7-6(4)

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 08:49 PM
The tweener drop shot at 4-*2 40-15 was awesome from Murray. Was a very topsy-turvy quite entertaining match with big momentum swings, decent but not amazing quality. Murray looked to be in control and was playing well the final two sets, but Ljubo played a great game to break when Murray served for the match at *5-4 in the fourth, especially the BH return at 15-30. Murray played a solid tiebreak and was very focused, his serve got him free points.

Andy had serve problems the first two sets but he picked up the serving and his overall quality of play and his intensity improved in the third and fourth sets.

All in all, this is a match Andy never seemed like he was going to lose. Andy can expose Ljubo's mediocre movement, dink the ball around and finesse shots where Ljubo is into uncomfortable spots, hit passing shots when Ljubo goes to the net, and Ljubo isn't consistently good at creating his own pace, especially with the forehand. Ljubo did a pretty good job of putting the pressure on Murray, but it wasn't quite enough.

Congrats to Andy, but hopefully Richie beats him on Monday, he's the much more entertaining player with the better game to watch.

hipolymer
06-24-2011, 08:50 PM
Stop making topics when you don't know scoreline...

Anyway, crowd is pathetic. Acting like he already won the tournament when he just beat Lubeo of all people.

guga2120
06-24-2011, 08:51 PM
Well played for the most part, too many careless errors though.

That crowd was loving it, they could help him late.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 08:51 PM
With this level, no way Murray could reach quarters.

Sapeod
06-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Bye bye Ljubicic, hello Gasquet. I'm saying bye bye to Gasquet in advance too.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Gasquet can do things that Ljubo did today, but with better mobility, better play from the baseline, better returning, and better net movement. So I expect it to be a major struggle for Murray to win. He'll need to be more aggressive v Richard.

Platypu$
06-24-2011, 08:52 PM
this guy is so irritating...

thread starter....

Clydey
06-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Terrible first two sets. Decent 3rd and 4th sets from Andy. I'll be putting money on Gasquet, though.

By the way, Jake Garner should be disciplined for that horrendous line call at such a huge point. He has always been a worthless umpire. Right up there with Cedric Mourier.

rubbERR
06-24-2011, 08:52 PM
What a waste of life to sit here everyday doing threads who won, what you can gain doing that? :lol:

LawrenceOfTennis
06-24-2011, 08:53 PM
Did you actually see the match? Or checking the scoreline only and made this thread during the tie-break just to be the first to post the thread? Seems like....
And you all mugray tards still consider him a possible winner at Wimbledon? He struggled against a 32 year old, not far from a 5th set. He will be destroyed soon. Book it. Natural loser.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 08:53 PM
Gasquet can do things that Ljubo did today, but with better mobility, better play from the baseline, better returning, and better net movement. So I expect it to be a major struggle for Murray to win. He'll need to be more aggressive v Richard.

The match will be on Richard's racquet(and brain of course) as in all their previous meetings.
Murray will be favourite though as Gasquet can still crack at any time.

ZaZoo)
06-24-2011, 08:53 PM
Ljubo def. Ljubo, Murray was there too...

Deathless Mortal
06-24-2011, 08:53 PM
Again the wrong scoreline :lol:
Ljubo was too passive a lot more often than he should have been. Anyway, a solid tournament for Ljubo but I feel he could've done more. :(

El Legenda
06-24-2011, 08:53 PM
Ljuboss made andys 2nd serve look like a serve of a highschool tennis player

Poirot123
06-24-2011, 08:53 PM
Can I just say well played Ljubicic. He really made this a good match by putting up a very good fight. If more players ranked between 20 and 50 put up a fight like this, the top guys would have to dig deep more frequently, which makes for better entertainment. Well played Ljubicic. Murray was too good for Ljubicic tonight. But it was entertaining. That's what fans of tennis want.

Platypu$
06-24-2011, 08:54 PM
What a waste of life to sit here everyday doing threads who won, what you can gain doing so? :lol:

+infinity.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 08:54 PM
Stay on topic, ignorants.

Nole fan
06-24-2011, 08:54 PM
The tweener shot. Better than Roger's tweeners. :worship:

Ben.
06-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Good effort from Ljubo. Gave up that first set a bit meekly though. Muzza with his trademark lapses at times but never really looked like he was going to lose. Bigger test against Gascoke I think.

Platypu$
06-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Stay on topic, ignorants.

you suck.

literally

FormerRafaFan
06-24-2011, 08:55 PM
I didn't even see the match, but Murray won, so he obviously deserves credit, even from the haters in here!

Clydey
06-24-2011, 08:55 PM
The match will be on Richard's racquet(and brain of course) as in all their previous meetings.

Don't be so stupid. Murray is by far the better player. What has Gasquet ever done for you to think that he controls the outcome of this match?

He has a shot, but Murray has to play poorly.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 08:55 PM
The match will be on Richard's racquet(and brain of course) as in all their previous meetings.
Murray will be favourite though as Gasquet can still crack at any time.

Murray is the favorite, but Gasquet has proven he can beat Murray. It's all about putting the entire match together.

hipolymer
06-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Anyway, what the fuck was up with Murray's shirt? :spit:

rubbERR
06-24-2011, 08:56 PM
The tweener shot. Better than Roger's tweeners. :worship:

Actually no considering opponents he was playing and situation where he hit most of those.

misty1
06-24-2011, 08:56 PM
the tweener annoyed me only because it wasnt realy necessary

yuri27
06-24-2011, 08:57 PM
Don't be so stupid. Murray is by far the better player. What has Gasquet ever done for you to think that he controls the outcome of this match?

He has a shot, but Murray has to play poorly.

Have you actually seen their last 2 matches??:rolleyes:

Clydey
06-24-2011, 08:57 PM
Murray is the favorite, but Gasquet has proven he can beat Murray. It's all about putting the entire match together.

Gasquet proved he could beat Murray in 2007.

tennizen
06-24-2011, 08:57 PM
Lucky one, Mugray.

djwebby
06-24-2011, 08:58 PM
Can I just say well played Ljubicic. He really made this a good match by putting up a very good fight. If more players ranked between 20 and 50 put up a fight like this, the top guys would have to dig deep more frequently, which makes for better entertainment. Well played Ljubicic. Murray was too good for Ljubicic tonight. But it was entertaining. That's what fans of tennis want.



Totally agree.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 08:58 PM
Murray is not "by far" better than Gasquet. Better? Yes. By far better? No. Gasquet has had plenty of opportunities the last two matches to beat Murray and if he brings a good form to the match on Monday, he'll have chances again.

jadey
06-24-2011, 08:58 PM
glad Andy won , but seriously , did anyone expect him to lose to
looby ?? some of u seem surprised :rolleyes:
ivan is old now , and Murray struggled at times , hes gonna have to up his level if he wants this , as much as Id like to see him get his 1st slam , dont think this is it

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 08:59 PM
you suck.

literallyPersonal attacks will result in you being reported and banned from the forum.

Stay OT for your own sake. Thanks.

henke007
06-24-2011, 08:59 PM
Those tweenershots just look silly when Andy does them he looks goofy somehow. Totally uncalled for also.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 08:59 PM
Good quality and entertaining match. Ljubo played maybe the best grass court match of his life , maybe just little predictable serving, had to use slice serve little more and few poor approach shots on really big points are only things which he could do little better . He should have won first set and then who knows what would have happened. Murray was playing well like always when counter punching abilities are required but can't see him taking the pig out in semis . I wouldn't be surprised if he loses to Gasquet next .

And yes, Filo V. is starting to be pretty annoying

Clydey
06-24-2011, 08:59 PM
Have you actually seen their last 2 matches??:rolleyes:

Yes, the only relevant one was back in 2008, when Murray was ranked number 12. Guess what? Gasquet still lost.

You have to be deluded to think that Gasquet has the much on his racquet against a player who has proved time and again that he is far superior. Get your head out of your ass, richie.

philosophicalarf
06-24-2011, 09:00 PM
Gasquet can do things that Ljubo did today, but with better mobility, better play from the baseline, better returning, and better net movement.

He can - but he can't fire 70% first serves at giant pace, which is what Murray faced tonight. Make that closer to Ljubo's normal numbers and Murray would have 3 or 4 additional breaks, would be an easy straight sets win.


Murray's second serve woes though remain - although they're exaggerated most of the time, under the roof it just sits there to be smacked. Was the same for Ljubo, even thumping them (101mph average!) he only won 38%.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-24-2011, 09:00 PM
This guy filo always makes threads before the end of matches. Is this allowed? :haha: .Hopefully once you will be wrong with a frozen scoreline instead of watching the match and make a wrong thread.

TheRafaelNadal
06-24-2011, 09:01 PM
Ljuboss made andys 2nd serve look like a serve of a highschool tennis player

Mannarino would make andy's second serve look like a highschool tennis player. HE has the worst 2nd seve out of any top 10 possibly top 20 player.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:01 PM
Gasquet proved he could beat Murray in 2007.
He also proved he had the game to at the very least seriously challenge Murray in 2010 at the French Open, when he was coming off his suspension and played a long match 2 days earlier. Gasquet is a better player now than then and he's playing on what may be his best surface. Murray is the favorite, but Gasquet is plenty good enough to beat him.

tennishero
06-24-2011, 09:01 PM
This guy filo always makes threads before the end of matches. Is this allowed? :haha: .Hopefully once you will be wrong with a frozen scoreline instead of watching the match and make a wrong thread.

no but he thinks he owns the forums and created tennis.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:01 PM
Murray is not "by far" better than Gasquet. Better? Yes. By far better? No. Gasquet has had plenty of opportunities the last two matches to beat Murray and if he brings a good form to the match on Monday, he'll have chances again.

Look at their careers. Murray has had a much better career. Why is a match from 2008 and a clay court encounter even relevant?

green25814
06-24-2011, 09:01 PM
Good win. Usual brainfarts imbetween but we expect that from Muzz.

Gasquet has better movement than Ljubo its true, but the former has a much better serve so it evens out imo

jadey
06-24-2011, 09:02 PM
[QUOTE=henke007;11155622]Those tweenershots just look silly when Andy does them he looks goofy somehow. Totally uncalled for also.[/QUOT

Your just pissed that he can do them

misty1
06-24-2011, 09:02 PM
maye we could discuss the match instead of launching personal attacks on one poster or dicussing how annoying he is

and yeah, obviously i agree the tweener wasnt needed, he just did it to show off

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 09:02 PM
Stop making fucking threads! I'm getting sick of it!

Awesome match though!

Platypu$
06-24-2011, 09:02 PM
Personal attacks will result in you being reported and banned from the forum.

Stay OT for your own sake. Thanks.

wooooow :eek:

i've just pooped my pants.

get.a.life.

Corey Feldman
06-24-2011, 09:03 PM
from what i'm watching of Muzza i still cant see him getting anything less then another straight setting by Nadal here again

just has no FH to compete with him on grass

better hope Nadal trips up somewhere

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:03 PM
He also proved he had the game to at the very least seriously challenge Murray in 2010 at the French Open, when he was coming off his suspension and played a long match 2 days earlier. Gasquet is a better player now than then and he's playing on what may be his best surface. Murray is the favorite, but Gasquet is plenty good enough to beat him.

Yes, he pushed Murray on clay and still lost. He couldn't even pull off the win, unlike giants of the game like Juan Monaco.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:03 PM
This guy filo always makes threads before the end of matches. Is this allowed? :haha: .Hopefully once you will be wrong with a frozen scoreline instead of watching the match and make a wrong thread.

Actually I make threads as soon as the match is over, and I was watching the match. As for me making a huge scoreline error, since I'm watching the matches it won't happen.

AncicCilic
06-24-2011, 09:03 PM
Very good match from Ljubo apart from the 3rd set. He really went at it at Andy's 2nd serve and exposed how much of an liability it is against aggresive returners. If he puts so many weak serves on Gasquets backhand as he did today... you can guess what happens. Too bad Ljubo can't move a little bit better because he'd have a real shot at winning this match.

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 09:04 PM
mods... ban filo.v... very disruptive behaviour... worse than that sheep lover muzztard at his peak...

anyways... on murray... routine... too many tools... taking the scenic route for the fans and the press...

yep... murray... centre court was built just for him...

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:05 PM
wooooow :eek:

i've just pooped my pants.

get.a.life.

I have a life, I don't personally attack people I don't know on tennis forums :wavey: How pathetic can someone be to think that's having a life :lol:

Conversation is over, continued harassment and I will be forced to report you.

Pirata.
06-24-2011, 09:05 PM
The tweener shot. Better than Roger's tweeners. :worship:

You wish :lol:

xdrewitdajx
06-24-2011, 09:06 PM
Gasquet doesn't have Ljubo's serve though. Murray can break him more easily, I think.

TheRafaelNadal
06-24-2011, 09:06 PM
glad Andy won , but seriously , did anyone expect him to lose to
looby ?? some of u seem surprised :rolleyes:
ivan is old now , and Murray struggled at times , hes gonna have to up his level if he wants this , as much as Id like to see him get his 1st slam , dont think this is it

he will never win wimbledon, nadal will take the majoirty of titles during murray's prime. His best shot at slam is, always has and always will be one of the hard courts where with favourable draws hecan get to a few finals, he's bound to win a final if he keeps getting into them. But as i've said..he will never reach a final outside hard courts. His service game is abysmal. shows off too much and rages for no reason.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:07 PM
Yes, he pushed Murray on clay and still lost. He couldn't even pull off the win, unlike giants of the game like Juan Monaco.

True, he couldn't pull it off. But he did prove he has the ability and game to do damage to Murray, even when he wasn't at his physical best. Now he's more confident, fit and on his best surface, so the situation is that much more advantageous for him.

tennizen
06-24-2011, 09:07 PM
Ljubicic made some stunning returns in the game to break Andy.
Really excellent match from his side except the third.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 09:07 PM
I really hate these close NID matches

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:07 PM
Gasquet doesn't have Ljubo's serve though. Murray can break him more easily, I think.


Gasquet's serve is actually very underrated,especially on grass.
Murray himself said that he has a lot of problem of returning his serve because of his variations.

tennishero
06-24-2011, 09:07 PM
ljubo defeated himself

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:09 PM
True, he couldn't pull it off. But he did prove he has the ability and game to do damage to Murray, even when he wasn't at his physical best. Now he's more confident, fit and on his best surface, so the situation is that much more advantageous for him.

On what planet is it an advantage to play Murray on grass instead of clay?

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:10 PM
maye we could discuss the match instead of launching personal attacks on one poster or dicussing how annoying he is

and yeah, obviously i agree the tweener wasnt needed, he just did it to show off
I love it, Misty, let them be angry, it's humorous.

And the tweener, it wasn't necessary, and it wasn't the most sporting thing to do, but the fans loved it. He didn't have to do it, but it's not that big of a deal.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:11 PM
On what planet is it an advantage to play Murray on grass instead of clay?It's an advantage for Murray as well, although in this match-up, Gasquet is actually better situated playing on quicker courts where he's forced to be more aggressive, where he can punish Murray easier, and where he can get more free points off the serve.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:14 PM
It's an advantage for Murray as well, although in this match-up, Gasquet is actually better situated playing on quicker courts where he's forced to be more aggressive, where he can punish Murray easier, and where he can get more free points off the serve.

It's a much bigger advantage for Andy. His clay court game is not even close to his grass court game. The same isn't true for Gasquet.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:15 PM
Look at their careers. Murray has had a much better career. Why is a match from 2008 and a clay court encounter even relevant?It is NOT relevant, but it does show Gasquet has the game to challenge and even potentially beat Murray.

As for their respective careers, Murray is the better match-player tournament in and out. But in terms of game, there is no doubt Richie can play with the best of them.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:17 PM
It is NOT relevant, but it does show Gasquet has the game to challenge and even potentially beat Murray.

As for their respective careers, Murray is the better match-player tournament in and out. But in terms of game, there is no doubt Richie can play with the best of them.

It shows that Gasquet can challenge Murray on clay and could challege him on grass in 2008. As I said, Murray was ranked 12 back then. There's a huge difference between him then and now.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 09:18 PM
My sig doesn't lie

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:18 PM
It's a much bigger advantage for Andy. His clay court game is not even close to his grass court game. The same isn't true for Gasquet.

I'm not thinking about it from Murray's POV, though, but from Richard's. Murray isn't as good on clay, he's actually more aggressive on clay much of the time. He doesn't move as well on clay, and his dinks of the ball don't work as well. With that said, Gasquet's shots shoot through the court on grass well, he gets more free points on his serve on grass, he has a good slice serve that works really well on grass, his BH slice is effective, and he's more aggressive. Murray gains more advantage, but Gasquet also gains a lot of pluses.

I don't know what we're debating, though, because I do think Murray will win. I think you expect it to be a easy win, and I doubt that, so maybe that's it.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:19 PM
It shows that Gasquet can challenge Murray on clay and could challege him on grass in 2008. As I said, Murray was ranked 12 back then. There's a huge difference between him then and now.

Is there??
I actually think the best we've seen him play to date was in the last 6 months of 2008.
In 2008, he got straight setted by a Nadal who was having his best year in term of level of play.
In 2011, he got straight setted again by a good Nadal but clearly not as good as the 2008 Nadal.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:19 PM
It shows that Gasquet can challenge Murray on clay and could challege him on grass in 2008. As I said, Murray was ranked 12 back then. There's a huge difference between him then and now.

The same can be said for Gasquet.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-24-2011, 09:20 PM
It doesn't really matter how many matches murray will win next week, he will lose the most important one if he gets there.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:21 PM
I'm not thinking about it from Murray's POV, though, but from Richard's. Murray isn't as good on clay, he's actually more aggressive on clay much of the time. He doesn't move as well on clay, and his dinks of the ball don't work as well. With that said, Gasquet's shots shoot through the court on grass well, he gets more free points on his serve on grass, he has a good slice serve that works really well on grass, his BH slice is effective, and he's more aggressive. Murray gains more advantage, but Gasquet also gains a lot of pluses.

I don't know what we're debating, though, because I do think Murray will win. I think you expect it to be a easy win, and I doubt that, so maybe that's it.

I don't expect it to be easy at all. I think Gasquet wins this if Murray plays like he has in the first 3 rounds.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:22 PM
I don't expect it to be easy at all. I think Gasquet wins this if Murray plays like he has in the first 3 rounds.

But you think he'll win if he plays at the level he displayed at Queens,no matter Gasquet's level,right?

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:22 PM
The same can be said for Gasquet.

No, it can't. Gasquet is actually a worse player now. Are you actually suggesting Gasquet has improved in the same way Murray has? I'd like to know what you're smoking.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:24 PM
Is there??
I actually think the best we've seen him play to date was in the last 6 months of 2008.

I wouldn't. And even if it was, Murray was much better in late 2008 than he was in June 2008. He hadn't even won an MS title, nor had he beaten Nadal or Djokovic or reached a major final.

You really are reaching.

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 09:24 PM
gasquet peaked at 16 years old... richie21 needs to stfu... tell your story walking frogmuncher

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:25 PM
He can - but he can't fire 70% first serves at giant pace, which is what Murray faced tonight. Make that closer to Ljubo's normal numbers and Murray would have 3 or 4 additional breaks, would be an easy straight sets win.


Murray's second serve woes though remain - although they're exaggerated most of the time, under the roof it just sits there to be smacked. Was the same for Ljubo, even thumping them (101mph average!) he only won 38%.
That's true, the serve difference between Ljubo and Gasquet is going to play a major factor. With that said, Gasquet is able to do more off of the serve and he's pretty good at hitting offensive shots from balls without pace, so the blocked and chipped returns Murray hit today, won't be as effective v Gasquet.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 09:26 PM
gasquet peaked at 16 years old... richie21 needs to stfu... tell your story walking frogmuncher


:haha:

Gasquet is going to peak twice at 16 and 26 :baby:

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:27 PM
I wouldn't. And even if it was, Murray was much better in late 2008 than he was in June 2008. He hadn't even won an MS title, nor had he beaten Nadal or Djokovic or reached a major final.

You really are reaching.

So when you win a MS, you automaticly become a better player??
Interesting.
I'm sure guys like Berdych or Soderling will have a few things to say about that.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:27 PM
Is there??
I actually think the best we've seen him play to date was in the last 6 months of 2008.
In 2008, he got straight setted by a Nadal who was having his best year in term of level of play.
In 2011, he got straight setted again by a good Nadal but clearly not as good as the 2008 Nadal.

You're comparing the 2008 match to the 2011 match? Give me a break. Assuming that actually proves something, the 2011 match was much, much closer.

Murray beat Federer in 2006, but lost to him last year. Therefore, Murray was a better player in 2006.

That is the kind of logic you are relying on.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:27 PM
I don't expect it to be easy at all. I think Gasquet wins this if Murray plays like he has in the first 3 rounds.

OK then.

Yes, Gasquet is better than he was before. He's much more confident in his abilities and he's a consistent performer now, on the big stages, he doesn't wilt (at least hasn't) like he did when younger. He's improved his fitness and his forehand.

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 09:28 PM
:haha:

Gasquet is going to peak twice at 16 and 26 :baby:

yeah... well... umm.. hmm... good luck with that... or... yeah.. something...







:spit:

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:29 PM
So when you win a MS, you automaticly become a better player??
Interesting.
I'm sure guys like Berdych or Soderling will have a few things to say about that.

No, it proves you have become a better player. When you go from being ranked 12 to being ranked 4, you have improved.

I can't believe I'm actually debating whether Murray is now better than he was in June 2008, when he was ranked 12.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:30 PM
You're comparing the 2008 match to the 2011 match? Give me a break. Assuming that actually proves something, the 2011 match was much, much closer.

Murray beat Federer in 2006, but lost to him last year. Therefore, Murray was a better player in 2006.

That is the kind of logic you are relying on.

Mostly because Nadal wasn't quite as good as he was in 2008.
And Murray's win against Federer in 2006 is a very poor example as Federer clearly tanked that day just after having won Toronto.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:31 PM
No, it proves you have become a better player. When you go from being ranked 12 to being ranked 4, you have improved.

I can't believe I'm actually debating whether Murray is now better than he was in June 2008, when he was ranked 12.

So you think Murray became a better player in just one month??:rolleyes:

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:34 PM
Mostly because Nadal wasn't quite as good as he was in 2008.
And Murray's win against Federer in 2006 is a very poor example as Federer clearly tanked that day just after having Toronto.

Murray had played more matches than Federer and you are saying Federer tanked? Murray had played 11 matches in 14 days when he beat Federer. That's not to mention that Federer was a much fitter player than Andy at that stage.

Again, you're reaching.

And you're saying Nadal was better in 2008 than he was in 2010, even though he won 3 slams last year? Your arguments are getting more desperate.

Poirot123
06-24-2011, 09:35 PM
If Gasquet beats Murray he will return to the top 10 (dependent on Melzer losing before the quarter finals). A big incentive, and he has been on a bit of a charge this year. A big incentive to perform. I think mentally he has realised the level of commitment required to achieve his potential and he has looked far more assurred and professional this year. He'll definitely be top 10 by the end of the year regardless of the result and might even sneak an appearance at the ATP WTF.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:36 PM
So you think Murray became a better player in just one month??:rolleyes:

More like 2. It happens. Look at Del Potro in the summer of 2008 or Djokovic from AO 2007 to IW 2007. It just clicks for a player at some point. How else do you explain rising from 12 to 4 in 2 months?

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 09:38 PM
clydey doing battle with some twisted Gaul logic... no wonder julius ceasar had trouble civilising these folk...

my apologies to Ouragen and Shirogane, two Gallic legends...

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 09:39 PM
This was Murray's hardest match until the SF I feel.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:40 PM
clydey doing battle with some twisted Gaul logic... no wonder julius ceasar had trouble civilising these folk...


Much like Thomas Huxley was known as 'Darwin's Bulldog', I am known as 'Murray's Pitbull'.

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 09:41 PM
Ivan played a great match, a lot of it he was outhitting Murray from the baseline. A shame Ivan never has been a great mover on the court, that really his his achilles heel both literally and figuratively

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 09:46 PM
Don't be so stupid. Murray is by far the better player. What has Gasquet ever done for you to think that he controls the outcome of this match?

He has a shot, but Murray has to play poorly.

^^^you do not know much about tennis if you somehow think that Murray is MORE talented than Gasquet. Talent was never the issue with Gasquet, execution was. Murray is a much better mover and has a better serve than Gasquet but overall certainly does not have more talent. If Gasquet and Murray both play at their top levels (which is incredibly rare for Gasquet for whatever reasons) Gasquet should win. His groundstrokes are better than Murray's point blank. Gasquet's serve is probably his biggest weakness BUT on grass Murray is no huge favorite as Richard's game suits grass wonderfully. ANd it's not about what Gasquet has done it is about what Gasquet CAN do

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:46 PM
More like 2. It happens. Look at Del Potro in the summer of 2008 or Djokovic from AO 2007 to IW 2007. It just clicks for a player at some point. How else do you explain rising from 12 to 4 in 2 months?

Ok,you perhaps have a point even though in Murray's case, i didn't note a steady improvement beetween Wimbledon 2008 and his first MS win.

SheepleBuster
06-24-2011, 09:47 PM
With this level, no way Murray could reach quarters.

Yes. And it will be a disaster. Unless Rafa loses in the next round, which would be nice. Here is the thing. I know Murray won't beat Rafa here. But I don't want Rafa to just get a straight forward easy as cake pass to the final. Let's face it. There are like only 2 people who can possibly upset the pirate pants here.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 09:48 PM
^^^you do not know much about tennis if you somehow think that Murray is MORE talented than Gasquet. Talent was never the issue with Gasquet, execution was. Murray is a much better mover and has a better serve than Gasquet but overall certainly does not have more talent. If Gasquet and Murray both play at their top levels (which is incredibly rare for Gasquet for whatever reasons) Gasquet should win. His groundstrokes are better than Murray's point blank. Gasquet's serve is probably his biggest weakness BUT on grass Murray is no huge favorite as Richard's game suits grass wonderfully. ANd it's not about what Gasquet has done it is about what Gasquet CAN do

It is not,especially on grass.
His second serve is also very very good i think(lot of kicks),certainly better than Murray's second serve anyway.
His main weakness is his fitness.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 09:49 PM
Gasquet's serve is excellent for grass . slicing very well , something what ljubo didn't do at all today

Clydey
06-24-2011, 09:51 PM
^^^you do not know much about tennis if you somehow think that Murray is MORE talented than Gasquet. Talent was never the issue with Gasquet, execution was. Murray is a much better mover and has a better serve than Gasquet but overall certainly does not have more talent. If Gasquet and Murray both play at their top levels (which is incredibly rare for Gasquet for whatever reasons) Gasquet should win. His groundstrokes are better than Murray's point blank. Gasquet's serve is probably his biggest weakness BUT on grass Murray is no huge favorite as Richard's game suits grass wonderfully. ANd it's not about what Gasquet has done it is about what Gasquet CAN do

People always talk about talent. When has Gasquet ever produced this tennis that everyone thinks he's capable of? Against Roddick in 2007? I can think of a handful of matches in his entire career. There's a myth that players with a good one-hander are extraordinarily talented. It is nonsense.

You cannot tell me that Gasquet has incredible talent when he so rarely produces tennis to justify that kind of hype. Gasquet's talent is a bigger myth than Santa Claus.

Vida
06-24-2011, 09:54 PM
ljubo :hug: just about had him.

Titi
06-24-2011, 09:56 PM
Ljubo's movement is gonna cause him problems against someone like Murray, especially when he gets into long rallies and Murray forces him out of position.

The ball bounces too low on grass for him to be a real threat.

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 09:59 PM
gasquet has talent... clydey what the f***...?

gasquet has a talent for botching 2 set leads to murray...

that's talent people..

Clydey
06-24-2011, 10:01 PM
gasquet has talent... clydey what the f***...?

gasquet has a talent for botching 2 set leads to murray...

that's talent people..

:lol:

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:07 PM
People always talk about talent. When has Gasquet ever produced this tennis that everyone thinks he's capable of? Against Roddick in 2007? I can think of a handful of matches in his entire career. There's a myth that players with a good one-hander are extraordinarily talented. It is nonsense.

You cannot tell me that Gasquet has incredible talent when he so rarely produces tennis to justify that kind of hype. Gasquet's talent is a bigger myth than Santa Claus.

gasquet has talent... clydey what the f***...?

gasquet has a talent for botching 2 set leads to murray...

that's talent people..
I think I'm in love with you two :worship:

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:07 PM
People always talk about talent. When has Gasquet ever produced this tennis that everyone thinks he's capable of? Against Roddick in 2007? I can think of a handful of matches in his entire career. There's a myth that players with a good one-hander are extraordinarily talented. It is nonsense.

You cannot tell me that Gasquet has incredible talent when he so rarely produces tennis to justify that kind of hype. Gasquet's talent is a bigger myth than Santa Claus.

Gasquet vs. Federer Monte Carlo is a great example. i would say the period between 06-08 Gasquet showcased a lot of potential. It's not about the one handed myth, it's that he has great touch and feel for the ball; a healthy Gasquet can play beautiful tennis and I don't just mean beautiful as far as the eye is concerned but a very high level, a level capable of big things! Watch him on a good day and I don't think you can say otherwise.

his talent is not a myth, however how someone gauges his potential towards the future might be subjective... If he handles Murray easily than the whole doubting of his game is going to look silly, no?

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:10 PM
It is not,especially on grass.
His second serve is also very very good i think(lot of kicks),certainly better than Murray's second serve anyway.
His main weakness is his fitness.

I'm sorry but in general (not specifically on grass) Gasquet does not have that fast or consistant of a serve. I agree though that Gasquet did not dedicate himself enough over time and that he has payed the consequences with a lower ranking due to bad fitness

Clydey
06-24-2011, 10:10 PM
Gasquet vs. Federer Monte Carlo is a great example. i would say the period between 06-08 Gasquet showcased a lot of potential. It's not about the one handed myth, it's that he has great touch and feel for the ball; a healthy Gasquet can play beautiful tennis and I don't just mean beautiful as far as the eye is concerned but a very high level, a level capable of big things! Watch him on a good day and I don't think you can say otherwise.

his talent is not a myth, however how someone gauges his potential towards the future might be subjective... If he handles Murray easily than the whole doubting of his game is going to look silly, no?

No, it wouldn't. Murray has lost to worse players than Gasquet and no one hails them as the second coming.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:10 PM
Gasquet has a better serve, a better backhand, a better volley, a better variety, a better footwork than Muzza.
He is more talented. Deal with it.

EliSter
06-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Gasquet has a better serve, a better backhand, a better volley, a better variety, a better footwork than Muzza.
He is more talented. Deal with it.

No.

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:12 PM
Gasquet has a better serve, a better backhand, a better volley, a better variety, a better footwork than Muzza.
He is more talented. Deal with it.
Murray's backhand, first serve, and footwork are all better than Gasquet's. And how can you even say Gasquet has better variety than Murray, do you actually watch tennis? Oh and Murray's better with the return, forehand (seriously how can a top 15 player even have a worse FH that Murray? :lol:) and fitness as well. ;)

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:12 PM
No, it wouldn't. Murray has lost to worse players than Gasquet and no one hails them as the second coming.

you said earlier that basically Murray has exponentially more talent than Gasquet.... Gasquet winning would prove otherwise

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:13 PM
Gasquet has a better serve, a better backhand, a better volley, a better variety, a better footwork than Muzza.
He is more talented. Deal with it.

totally agree with this minus the serve

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:13 PM
Gasquet has a better serve, a better backhand, a better volley, a better variety, a better footwork than Muzza.
He is more talented. Deal with it.

I'm a Gasquet fan but you're wrong about the last 2 parts,especially the last one.
And the serve too.

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:16 PM
Murray's backhand, first serve, and footwork are all better than Gasquet's. And how can you even say Gasquet has better variety than Murray, do you actually watch tennis? Oh and Murray's better with the return, forehand (seriously how can a top 15 player even have a worse FH that Murray? :lol:) and fitness as well. ;)

Gasquet's BH>Murray's BH.
Let's put it that way:
-without his BH, Murray would still be a decent top 50 player.
-without his BH, Gasquet would be a challenger level player.

Gasquet's BH is actually one of the best shot of all time(and i'm not only talking estheticly) but sadly,most people widely underestimate it just because he still hasn't produced big results so far.

Clydey
06-24-2011, 10:17 PM
you said earlier that basically Murray has exponentially more talent than Gasquet.... Gasquet winning would prove otherwise

No, it wouldn't. Murray lost to Donald Young. Does that mean Young has more talent than Murray?

The logic some of you people come up with...

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:17 PM
Gasquet's footwork is excellent guys, it's his fitness which sucks

Nole Rules
06-24-2011, 10:19 PM
gasquet has talent... clydey what the f***...?

gasquet has a talent for botching 2 set leads to murray...

that's talent people..

:spit:

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 10:19 PM
Gasquet's footwork is excellent guys, it's his fitness which sucks

he has always looked slow to me and his defensive game is very poor

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:21 PM
he has always looked slow to me and his defensive game is very poor

You never saw this guy so... in the last two years...

yuri27
06-24-2011, 10:21 PM
he has always looked slow to me and his defensive game is very poor

Key point there.
That's actually the common point beetween every member of the "big" 4: they are all amazingly good in defense.

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:25 PM
No, it wouldn't. Murray lost to Donald Young. Does that mean Young has more talent than Murray?

The logic some of you people come up with...

Murray was playing badly then however he is playing great now and just won Queens. Following logic, if Gasquet beat an in form Murray, that means HE IS IN FACT more talented or of similar talent. what is laughable is someone like you pointing out flaws in 'logic' when you yourself are the one who appears to fail to recognize logic when it is facing you. Clearly you are either of lower intelligence OR just dancing around common sense, bringing up an out form Murray loss to a potential IN FORM Murray loss.

they are not the same at all and unsuccessfully trying to point out flaws in logic, amusing given your own flaws in logic, just makes you appear stubborn

philosophicalarf
06-24-2011, 10:26 PM
Results speak volumes.

Slams:
Gasquet 0 finals, 1 SF, 0 QF
Murray 3 finals, 3 SF, 2 QFs

Masters
Gasquet 0 titles, 2 final, 4 SF
Murray 6 titles, 1 final, 10 SF

Tour
Murray 11 titles, 5 final, 2 SF
Gasquet 6 titles, 6 final, 10 SF



Theoretical "talent" that can't be produced isn't talent at all.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:26 PM
Are you kidding??
Gasq plays in the locker room actually, his defensive play is good otherwise he would be out of top 50

Clydey
06-24-2011, 10:29 PM
Murray was playing badly then however he is playing great now and just won Queens. Following logic, if Gasquet beat an in form Murray, that means HE IS IN FACT more talented or of similar talent. what is laughable is someone like you pointing out flaws in 'logic' when you yourself are the one who appears to fail to recognize logic when it is facing you. Clearly you are either of lower intelligence OR just dancing around common sense, bringing up an out form Murray loss to a potential IN FORM Murray loss.

they are not the same at all and unsuccessfully trying to point out flaws in logic, amusing given your own flaws in logic, just makes you appear stubborn

Murray is not 'in form'. He lost a set to Traver and a set to Ljubicic. No one thinks Murray is playing his best right now.

Rafa has beaten an in form Federer many times. Is Rafa more talented? Your logic is insane. You cannot point to the outcome of one match and determine who the more talented player is. That is absurd.

I need to note your name down for the ACC.

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:30 PM
Gasquet's BH>Murray's BH.
Let's put it that way:
-without his BH, Murray would still be a decent top 50 player.
-without his BH, Gasquet would be a challenger level player.

Gasquet's BH is actually one of the best shot of all time(and i'm not only talking estheticly) but sadly,most people widely underestimate it just because he still hasn't produced big results so far.
That just shows the rest of Murray's game is better.

Murray's BH is better IMO.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:33 PM
That just shows the rest of Murray's game is better.
Murray's BH is better IMO.

:facepalm:

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 10:36 PM
Canada QF 2008: Rafael 'The Bull' Nadal def Richard 'No Mas, No Mas' Gasquet 6-7(12), 6-2, 6-1

this is the ultimate example of gasquet's talent... the champion of mentally checking out once he is physically spent...

in conclusion, the answer is: No, Gasquet is not a grand slam animal...

hope this helps...

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 10:37 PM
:lol: fast clay treating Gasquet like his avatar North Koreans

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:41 PM
Canada QF 2008: Rafael 'The Bull' Nadal def Richard 'No Mas, No Mas' Gasquet 6-7(12), 6-2, 6-1

this is the ultimate example of gasquet's talent... the champion of mentally checking out once he is physically spent...

in conclusion, the answer is: No, Gasquet is not a grand slam animal...

hope this helps...

Muzza is not a GS animal too so Richie could take it :cool:

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:43 PM
Murray is not 'in form'. He lost a set to Traver and a set to Ljubicic. No one thinks Murray is playing his best right now.

Rafa has beaten an in form Federer many times. Is Rafa more talented? Your logic is insane. You cannot point to the outcome of one match and determine who the more talented player is. That is absurd.

I need to note your name down for the ACC.

you should have taken a debates class in high school, your sense of arguing is simply stating an opinion of yours and telling me that YOUR opinion is more valuable than results. You have seen the previous Gasquet / Murray matches haven't you? Murray has lost half of their matches and came very close to losing in their last match.

next thing you know you will be claiming that Nalbandian has no talent because his resume is weak! Ljubicic played very well and unless you have ignored Wimbledon in the past, Murray is playing as well as he ever has on grass. Regardless of what you say or how much you delude yourself, Murray is not automatically more talented than Gasquet just because of his stronger achievements and considering that he is IN FORM (he just won Queens for God's sake) if he loses to Gasquet in a few days it will only validate the argument that Gasquet has as much talent or more. NOw i will applaud you if you would prefer to argue that Murray is more mentally talented than Gasquet and would agree! Gasquet is one streaky son of a bitch due in no part to drug usage and a bad physical regiment ;] talent wise your dogmatic attack on Gasquet has no basis

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:43 PM
:facepalm:How is Gasquet's better besides DTL?

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 10:46 PM
:lol: fast clay treating Gasquet like his avatar North Koreans

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/kim-jong-il-smiling3.jpg

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:46 PM
How is Gasquet's better besides DTL?

Murray has some tennis skills but Gasquet has definitely a better Backhand DTL or not.

Jaz
06-24-2011, 10:47 PM
The Murray hype is immense, but he is not playing well, dropping serve too often, getting sucked into strange shots. Rather worrying.

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:50 PM
Murray has some tennis skills but Gasquet has definitely a better Backhand DTL or not.
Tell me how? Murray has a better slice, hits it better cross court, and can defend better on that wing.

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Tell me how? Murray has a better slice, hits it better cross court, and can defend better on that wing.

We are really not on the same wavelength about this debate, it seems useless to discuss about..

Make a thread about that with pool and look at results..

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 10:52 PM
Yeah, lets just leave it and wait till Murray wins on Monday ;)

Gagsquet
06-24-2011, 10:55 PM
He's still fav :angel:

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 10:56 PM
We are really not on the same wavelength about this debate, it seems useless to discuss about..

Make a thread about that with pool and look at results..

I do not get the lack of thinking about it that some have, they almost want to state such incredible things as that Gasquet is not very talented? it's absurd and it is almost as they have never watched him playy and know nothing about his spotty past few years of not dedicating himself to the game

Clydey
06-24-2011, 10:56 PM
you should have taken a debates class in high school, your sense of arguing is simply stating an opinion of yours and telling me that YOUR opinion is more valuable than results. You have seen the previous Gasquet / Murray matches haven't you? Murray has lost half of their matches and came very close to losing in their last match.

next thing you know you will be claiming that Nalbandian has no talent because his resume is weak! Ljubicic played very well and unless you have ignored Wimbledon in the past, Murray is playing as well as he ever has on grass. Regardless of what you say or how much you delude yourself, Murray is not automatically more talented than Gasquet just because of his stronger achievements and considering that he is IN FORM (he just won Queens for God's sake) if he loses to Gasquet in a few days it will only validate the argument that Gasquet has as much talent or more. NOw i will applaud you if you would prefer to argue that Murray is more mentally talented than Gasquet and would agree! Gasquet is one streaky son of a bitch due in no part to drug usage and a bad physical regiment ;] talent wise your dogmatic attack on Gasquet has no basis

I didn't say that Murray is more talented because of his achievements. Learn to read. Also, Queens was two weeks ago. You can be in form one week and out of form the next. As a Gasquet fan, you should know that.

By the way, Gasquet last beat Murray 4 years ago. You're clinging to the past. And are you really going to use a clay court match to back up your point? You are talking about a match on Murray's weakest surface, where Gasquet lost. Your whole argument is as robust as Gasquet in a 5th set.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 10:58 PM
Gasquet's BH is more spectacular and when it's on is probably better . Murray's is more reliable and consistent . If I would want to swing freely I would take Gasquet's , in under pressure situations I would take Murray's . But again BH means to Gasquet more than Murray's BH to him . Hard to decide. But if you can choose between peak versions , Richie's has the edge in my opinion

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 11:00 PM
He's still fav :angel:
When you lose to Murray on clay I doubt you can be the favourite when you play him again on a surface he's a lot better on :lol:
Gasquet's BH is more spectacular and when it's on is probably better . Murray's is more reliable and consistent . If I would want to swing freely I would take Gasquet's , in under pressure situations I would take Murray's . But again BH means to Gasquet more than Murray's BH to him . Hard to decide. But if you can choose between peak versions , Richie's has the edge in my opinion
Yeah I probably agree with this, like Gasquet's ever at his peak though :rolleyes:

Mountaindewslave
06-24-2011, 11:10 PM
I didn't say that Murray is more talented because of his achievements. Learn to read. Also, Queens was two weeks ago. You can be in form one week and out of form the next. As a Gasquet fan, you should know that.

By the way, Gasquet last beat Murray 4 years ago. You're clinging to the past. And are you really going to use a clay court match to back up your point? You are talking about a match on Murray's weakest surface, where Gasquet lost. Your whole argument is as robust as Gasquet in a 5th set.

it is an implication that you are looking towards achievements, because Murray just is not more talented than Gasquet. He can move better on the court, has stronger mentality? What else is he better than Gasquet at? Certainly form can be lost, but Murray has looked pretty good lately besides letting the British fan pressure get to him a bit, but like it or not that has been there each year. Murray is playing as well has he ever has on grass and if he loses to Gasquet it will AT LEAST be fair and square to say that Gasquet is as good or better than Murray on grass.

Murray just reached the SF of Roland Garros, he is no clown on clay so claiming that as an excuse holds no ground. All matches matter. There is no doubt you under appreciate the talent and potential of Gasquet, and I cannot make a believer out of you but we will see on Monday what happens

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 11:11 PM
too talented for the camera this guy... just a blur...

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/b_05_murray_142_aeltc_m_hangst.jpg

Clydey
06-24-2011, 11:22 PM
it is an implication that you are looking towards achievements, because Murray just is not more talented than Gasquet. He can move better on the court, has stronger mentality? What else is he better than Gasquet at? Certainly form can be lost, but Murray has looked pretty good lately besides letting the British fan pressure get to him a bit, but like it or not that has been there each year. Murray is playing as well has he ever has on grass and if he loses to Gasquet it will AT LEAST be fair and square to say that Gasquet is as good or better than Murray on grass.

That logic is absurd. Nothing you are saying makes any sense. Form can change from match to match, never mind from tournament to tournament. You cannot determine who is more talented based on one match.

Murray was playing great in 2009 and lost to Roddick. Does that make Roddick more talented? Murray was playing great at AO 2009 and lost to Verdasco. Does that make Verdasco more talented?

It is impossible to reason with such stupidity.

Murray just reached the SF of Roland Garros, he is no clown on clay so claiming that as an excuse holds no ground. All matches matter. There is no doubt you under appreciate the talent and potential of Gasquet, and I cannot make a believer out of you but we will see on Monday what happens

This has been his best year on clay. Gasquet lost to Murray last year, when Murray had a horrible clay season.

Getta
06-24-2011, 11:25 PM
too talented for the camera this guy... just a blur...

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/b_05_murray_142_aeltc_m_hangst.jpg


http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0g627rf53J4Cb/x610.jpg

Clydey
06-24-2011, 11:28 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0g627rf53J4Cb/x610.jpg

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/426-murray--125145011911085900.jpg

CescAndyKimi
06-24-2011, 11:30 PM
^:lol:

Time Violation
06-24-2011, 11:36 PM
There is no doubt you under appreciate the talent and potential of Gasquet, and I cannot make a believer out of you but we will see on Monday what happens

Too bad there's no tennis equivalent of kata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata), where players could hit their FHs and BHs without opponents on the other side, for the pleasure of connoisseurs of talent and potential :p

philosophicalarf
06-24-2011, 11:37 PM
This thread increasingly is :

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/2118/muzza.jpg

Mungo
06-25-2011, 12:04 AM
Expected. Ljubaldcic talks loud off the court and shits his pants in Slams. Awful forehand. Awful footwork. Awful shot selection. What an amazing win for british tennis...MURRAY WILL WIN WIMBLEDON!

NOT.

Sunset of Age
06-25-2011, 12:06 AM
Fantastic showing by 32-year old Legenda.
As I predicted, Muzza would prevail in four, but oh no I don't think Muzza is any way near to being Wimbledon Champion-stuff...

No offense meant to any Murray-fan, just my opinion. :wavey:

Dini
06-25-2011, 12:07 AM
:lol: :lol: Glad I checked this thread.

Thought Murray played well, apart from his second serve. That needs a kick up the backside ASAP or else it'll be another sticky encounter next (fingers crossed).

Ljubicic just keeps on solidifying his legendary status, match in match out. He totally chewed up that 2nd serve and spat it out and his forehand held up really well in rallies.

A very entertaining match. Thank God for the CC roof! :worship:

Mario000
06-25-2011, 12:19 AM
LJubo played better in first 2 sets. what happened later, I wasn't watching

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 12:43 AM
stupid ljubicic, u can trash talk nadal's game but u cant do shit with ur game.
clown

careergrandslam
06-25-2011, 12:46 AM
somebody eliminate murray.

this whole tour lets this clown win at everything.

angry1
06-25-2011, 01:11 AM
somebody eliminate murray.

this whole tour lets this clown win at everything.

No they don't, Tsonga beat him at table tennis.

Britain's no.2
06-25-2011, 01:12 AM
somebody eliminate murray.

this whole tour lets this clown win at everything.

yes its a giant secret conspiracy against blah blah blah :rolleyes:

angry1
06-25-2011, 01:15 AM
it is an implication that you are looking towards achievements, because Murray just is not more talented than Gasquet. He can move better on the court, has stronger mentality? What else is he better than Gasquet at? Certainly form can be lost, but Murray has looked pretty good lately besides letting the British fan pressure get to him a bit, but like it or not that has been there each year. Murray is playing as well has he ever has on grass and if he loses to Gasquet it will AT LEAST be fair and square to say that Gasquet is as good or better than Murray on grass.

Murray just reached the SF of Roland Garros, he is no clown on clay so claiming that as an excuse holds no ground. All matches matter. There is no doubt you under appreciate the talent and potential of Gasquet, and I cannot make a believer out of you but we will see on Monday what happens

you should have taken a debates class in high school, your sense of arguing is simply stating an opinion of yours and telling me that YOUR opinion is more valuable than results. You have seen the previous Gasquet / Murray matches haven't you? Murray has lost half of their matches and came very close to losing in their last match.

next thing you know you will be claiming that Nalbandian has no talent because his resume is weak! Ljubicic played very well and unless you have ignored Wimbledon in the past, Murray is playing as well as he ever has on grass. Regardless of what you say or how much you delude yourself, Murray is not automatically more talented than Gasquet just because of his stronger achievements and considering that he is IN FORM (he just won Queens for God's sake) if he loses to Gasquet in a few days it will only validate the argument that Gasquet has as much talent or more. NOw i will applaud you if you would prefer to argue that Murray is more mentally talented than Gasquet and would agree! Gasquet is one streaky son of a bitch due in no part to drug usage and a bad physical regiment ;] talent wise your dogmatic attack on Gasquet has no basis

Do you see my problem?

Ashlar77
06-25-2011, 01:20 AM
A little too close Andy..... :eek:

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 01:46 AM
Mugray is a joke. Hope someone puts this clown away before semis.

tektonac
06-25-2011, 06:50 AM
Murray will get mentally and physically tired by SF. He has played 11 sets until now.

Foxy
06-25-2011, 07:06 AM
This Clownicic is useless. Pathetic display. Retire, mug!

Allez, Richard!

chalkdust
06-25-2011, 09:11 AM
Murray finding ways to win while not showing convincing form as yet. He needs to improve quite a bit before he can be considered a likely slam winner. Second serve pace and variety, forehand DTL, mental lapses, passiveness, and maybe court-craft at the net, are the areas he must target, I believe.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-25-2011, 09:32 AM
Mugray is a joke. Hope someone puts this clown away before semis.

There is simply no way that mugray can win this title. How could somebody win a slam without a forehand?

yuri27
06-25-2011, 09:35 AM
There is simply no way that mugray can win this title. How could somebody win a slam without a forehand?

Marat Safin says hi.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-25-2011, 09:37 AM
Marat Safin says hi.

If you are saying that mugray and Safin are in the same category by any means,you are insane. Marat Safin has had extremely big talent and huge personality, and his forehand was big, heavy and strong as anything. Mugray's forehand is out of top 10.

yuri27
06-25-2011, 09:39 AM
If you are saying that mugray and Safin are in the same category by any means,you are insane. Marat Safin has had extremely big talent and huge personality, and his forehand was big, heavy and strong as anything. Mugray's forehand is out of top 10.

I'm just saying that you can win a Grand Slam without a good FH.
Safin's FH was always a weakness,no matter what you say.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-25-2011, 09:44 AM
I'm just saying that you can win a Grand Slam without a good FH.
Safin's FH was always a weakness,no matter what you say.

No matter whatever you say, because mugray's not a slam winner and won't be one unless if top 10 will break their legs.

yuri27
06-25-2011, 09:46 AM
No matter whatever you say, because mugray's not a slam winner and won't be one unless if top 10 will break their legs.

Well,i'm far from being a Murray fan but when you are able to make 3 GS finals at only 24,you are certainly capable of winning a Slam.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-25-2011, 09:48 AM
Well,i'm far from being a Murray fan but when you are able to make 3 GS finals at only 24,you are certainly capable of winning a Slam.

Well, he made 3 finals so far, but there were no competition in them. You can make 10 slam finals in a row, if you're not a winner type, you won't win any of them. I'm pretty convinced that if Nadal wouldn't have been injured in this years aussie open, then we'd have not seen mugray-djokovic final.

oneandonlyhsn
06-25-2011, 10:16 AM
Can I just say well played Ljubicic. He really made this a good match by putting up a very good fight. If more players ranked between 20 and 50 put up a fight like this, the top guys would have to dig deep more frequently, which makes for better entertainment. Well played Ljubicic. Murray was too good for Ljubicic tonight. But it was entertaining. That's what fans of tennis want.

:worship: Excellent post

AndyUK
06-25-2011, 11:13 AM
It was a really entertaining match, Ljubicic played really well, he didn't do much wrong but Murray ended up being too good in the end. He improved as the match went on and that seems to happen a lot of the time with him.