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Ch Marburg QF: Hajek def. Odesnik 4-6 7-6(1) 6-0

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 04:51 PM
Grade A turnaround/choke here. Wayne Odesnik was 6-4 *5-3 40-15 up and didn't get broken in the match until serving for it. Great win for Jan, and great win for tennis.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 04:59 PM
Real tennis fans follow all results.

Plus, we all love to celebrate the loss of the druggy. You're new here, you wouldn't understand.

Luinir
06-24-2011, 05:11 PM
Awful lose for Wayne.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 05:23 PM
It's a great win for Jan, not a bad loss for Wayne.

It's always good when the druggy loses.

Tom Paulman
06-24-2011, 05:43 PM
Dopesnik has always been a choker. He even outchoked Russell once, which is hell of an achievement

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 05:47 PM
Karol took vitamins, that had an illegal substance. Odesnik did steroids. Not even remotely the same situation. Odesnik knowingly did drugs.

As for Jan, yes he has tanked and supposedly fixes matches. However, tanking a couple of matches a year does not compare to drug using and trafficking.

The bottom line is, every Odesnik loss is great for tennis, and this is a great choke of the season.

Sofonda Cox
06-24-2011, 05:48 PM
ToQ0n3itoII

JMG
06-24-2011, 06:18 PM
Very disappointing result and bad for tennis.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 07:53 PM
Karol did not intentionally take or traffic an illegal substance.

Odesnik is a cheater. Let's stop making excuses for him. Anyone who supports a cheater or thinks the bad result is the cheater.........has a way of thinking that shouldn't be supported.

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Wait, actually, I do. The people who I actually care about, I care what they think and say. People I don't care about...........can think what they want, you're insignificant.

Great win for Jan! Hopefully he beats Ramos tomorrow.

Sapeod
06-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Bad for tennis.

BaselineSmash
06-24-2011, 08:58 PM
Odesnik can hold his head high after this result, at least the match was on his racket as opposed to him being comprehensively outplayed. Hate to see him wilt so badly in the third, though, I'm guessing he ran out of juice.

Hajek is a bit of a perfectionist and loves to give a good account of himself match in match out, so he'll have mixed feelings about this one. Yes he scrapped to the win, but he won't like depending on the American's meltdown.

rhinooooo
06-24-2011, 09:48 PM
Two players whose reputations are about as clean as the Citarum

trojanstallion
06-24-2011, 10:38 PM
When Hajek wins, tennis loses. Done & done.

Sonja1989
06-25-2011, 01:12 AM
All results is important. :angel: I follow the scores too.

It was really an ugly choke from Odesnik. :facepalm:

Pirata.
06-25-2011, 01:24 AM
This thread :haha:

KaiserT
06-25-2011, 01:29 AM
Odesnik can hold his head high after this result, at least the match was on his racket as opposed to him being comprehensively outplayed. Hate to see him wilt so badly in the third, though, I'm guessing he ran out of juice.

Hajek is a bit of a perfectionist and loves to give a good account of himself match in match out, so he'll have mixed feelings about this one. Yes he scrapped to the win, but he won't like depending on the American's meltdown.

:lol:

straitup
06-25-2011, 01:32 AM
Another epic thread :lol:

I like Odesnik's game but can't get myself to root for him after the drug stuff

Filo V.
06-25-2011, 01:56 AM
I give players the respect they deserve/have earned. As for being an anti-tennis fan, I love tennis, but I don't like players who drag the sport down. I guess some people don't like what I say about certain players, but what I say is in truth.

Kaiser, Karol never intentionally took or trafficked drugs. He can be called ignorant for not realizing the vitamins he took had illegal substances in them, but to be called a doper I think is not accurate.

KaiserT
06-25-2011, 02:51 AM
I give players the respect they deserve/have earned. As for being an anti-tennis fan, I love tennis, but I don't like players who drag the sport down. I guess some people don't like what I say about certain players, but what I say is in truth.

Kaiser, Karol never intentionally took or trafficked drugs. He can be called ignorant for not realizing the vitamins he took had illegal substances in them, but to be called a doper I think is not accurate.


Beck might have been unlucky, naive etc etc, or not, even if I knew his full explanation I'm not sure I'd believe him due to my lack of faith that many on the tour are completely clean (ridiculous testing procedures). I don't hold Odesnik with as much utter contempt as some people, as sadly I assume that a fair amount of the tour are probably at it too....... they don't even test for HGH, so who knows how many players have used it (but not been dumb enough to get caught red-handed).

Filo V.
06-25-2011, 03:02 AM
I support Jan because he has an attractive game and he's been through a lot of issues to get where he is now (well, where he was in 2010).

Does he tank/fix matches. Yes he has. Much of that due to the fact he shows up to events injured, and knows he can't compete, so he plays for a paycheck only. IMO, doping is much, much worse than tanking a match because it's a constant thing, it's something that you're doing to your body that gives you an advantage every time you're on the court. So your cheating the game and your opponents.

I don't agree with Jan tanking matches but tanking/fixing.................5 matches a year, compared to shipping large quantities of HGH and other forms of illegal substances to use. I don't think it cheats the sport in the same fashion. And I like Jan for his tennis, and his off-court attitude, not his extra-curricular activities.

Henry Chinaski
06-25-2011, 03:05 AM
nice post deleting by the mods making Filo look like a fucking mentalist conversing with himself

Henry Chinaski
06-25-2011, 03:07 AM
also, I'd love to know where I could get some vitamins pills that contain clenbuterol. they sound awesome

Henry Chinaski
06-25-2011, 03:11 AM
Hajek is the most prolific fixer on tour this year, and has been dirty for years, he drags the sport way down, but you support him, why?

Beck might have been unlucky, naive etc etc, or not, even if I knew his full explanation I'm not sure I'd believe him due to my lack of faith that many on the tour are completely clean (ridiculous testing procedures). I don't hold Odesnik with as much utter contempt as some people, as sadly I assume that a fair amount of the tour are probably at it too....... they don't even test for HGH, so who knows how many players have used it (but not been dumb enough to get caught red-handed).

I had some sympathy for Odesnik even after the doping but I lost it all when I found out he was one of the players that ratted on Koellerer.

Drug cheat and a rat bastard, no amount of fighting on court can make up for that combo

KaiserT
06-25-2011, 03:15 AM
I support Jan because he has an attractive game and he's been through a lot of issues to get where he is now (well, where he was in 2010).

Does he tank/fix matches. Yes he has. Much of that due to the fact he shows up to events injured, and knows he can't compete, so he plays for a paycheck only. IMO, doping is much, much worse than tanking a match because it's a constant thing, it's something that you're doing to your body that gives you an advantage every time you're on the court. So your cheating the game and your opponents.

I don't agree with Jan tanking matches but tanking/fixing.................5 matches a year, compared to shipping large quantities of HGH and other forms of illegal substances to use. I don't think it cheats the sport in the same fashion. And I like Jan for his tennis, and his off-court attitude, not his extra-curricular activities.

Tanking/fixing shouldn't be placed together for a start. When Jan feels like losing he does and probably clears 15k+ profit through bets instead of just the few K losers cheque. So he really doesn't play for a paycheck ONLY :lol:

I think you hold a huge double standard with regards to players who "bring the sport down" because the likes of Hajek and Volandri have certainly done that, but you don't seem to see outright selling of matches as falling under this category.

Fixing may well be a lighter offence than doping, but it's personal opinion and it can't be denied that both disgrace the sport.

fast_clay
06-25-2011, 03:17 AM
wow...

thread butchered

KaiserT
06-25-2011, 03:18 AM
nice post deleting by the mods making Filo look like a fucking mentalist conversing with himself

I had some sympathy for Odesnik even after the doping but I lost it all when I found out he was one of the players that ratted on Koellerer.

Drug cheat and a rat bastard, no amount of fighting on court can make up for that combo

I must get 10%-15% of my posts deleted....

True, I have no sympathy for Odesnik whatsoever, he has no redeeming qualities. Fixer/Drug cheat/Rat/Shifty looking fella

Kat_YYZ
06-25-2011, 03:19 AM
nice post deleting by the mods making Filo look like a fucking mentalist conversing with himself

you know, I was wondering who he was ranting at :scratch: ... I was worried he had stayed out in the sun too long or something! :lol:

I've heard some negative stuff about Hajek, but since they can't both lose, I approve of this result. :)

Smoke944
06-25-2011, 03:22 AM
Since when does Odesnik need to fix?
I thought his family has plenty of money :confused:

out_here_grindin
06-25-2011, 03:24 AM
I actually find Hajek one of the least enjoyable players to watch play.

KaiserT
06-25-2011, 03:27 AM
Since when does Odesnik need to fix?
I thought his family has plenty of money :confused:

He (allegedly) sold 3-0 vs Melzer at Wimbledon 2009, why..... I don't know.

OPENING ODDS
$4.243
CLOSING ODDS
$16.189 (+11.947)

Nice.

Filo V.
06-25-2011, 04:24 AM
I actually find Hajek one of the least enjoyable players to watch play.

I know quite a few people find his game dull, but when he's playing well he's offensive grinder who has good shotmaking ability and a good serve. He's just overmatched at the ATP level for the most part.

Action Jackson
06-25-2011, 04:30 AM
Hajek can play when he could be bothered. Then the heart problems as well. For all his flaws he doesn't rat out other people to save his own hide. Then again not like he has been investigated.

Filo V.
06-25-2011, 04:31 AM
Tanking/fixing shouldn't be placed together for a start. When Jan feels like losing he does and probably clears 15k+ profit through bets instead of just the few K losers cheque. So he really doesn't play for a paycheck ONLY :lol:

I think you hold a huge double standard with regards to players who "bring the sport down" because the likes of Hajek and Volandri have certainly done that, but you don't seem to see outright selling of matches as falling under this category.

Fixing may well be a lighter offence than doping, but it's personal opinion and it can't be denied that both disgrace the sport.

Oh I agree, Jan and Pippo have hurt the integrity of the sport with their actions. But, they aren't cheating. That's the difference in my eyes. Also I connect tanking and fixing because Jan is tanking these matches and intentionally losing for a profit. Going hard for a set only to meekly lose in three. Or retiring when he knows he isn't going to win. Not just the R1 paycheck but the money in general.

I think it's bad and I don't agree with it, I don't support it, but they aren't cheaters and they aren't fixing every match, unlike a doper who is taking supplements that enhance their abilities on the court match in and out. Also Odesnik ratted out players and has lied from day 1 about everything he's done.

Action Jackson
06-25-2011, 04:35 AM
Tanking and match fixing are clearly different things.

KaiserT
06-25-2011, 09:27 AM
Oh I agree, Jan and Pippo have hurt the integrity of the sport with their actions. But, they aren't cheating. That's the difference in my eyes. Also I connect tanking and fixing because Jan is tanking these matches and intentionally losing for a profit. Going hard for a set only to meekly lose in three. Or retiring when he knows he isn't going to win. Not just the R1 paycheck but the money in general.

I think it's bad and I don't agree with it, I don't support it, but they aren't cheaters and they aren't fixing every match, unlike a doper who is taking supplements that enhance their abilities on the court match in and out. Also Odesnik ratted out players and has lied from day 1 about everything he's done.

Seriously...

You need to disassociate tanking and fixing, there's a huge difference.

Fixers cheat the fans who come to watch a genuine match, and cheat fellow professionals that play the game with integrity and don't sell.

They cheat in order to gain monetary reward, sure they aren't unfairly taking wins away from opponents, but they are cheating.

Nathaliia
06-25-2011, 03:35 PM
Why half of the posts from this thread were deleted? They were not more insulting than the ones that stayed (mine for sure wasn't... I mentioned he choked to Greul and that he needs to grow cojones and maybe viagra would help... a clear joke... so this gets deleted and slanders that Odesnik did steroids when he was never caught are staying here)