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Best shot combination (FH + BH) in the top 4

viruzzz
06-23-2011, 07:05 PM
I was discussing with a friend about this topic.
Forget about volleys, serve, drops, and all that kinda shots.
Also forget about the mental game, which is so important for these four players.
Just the Forehand and the Backhand. The normal combo for a long rally.

Imagina the perfect winner stroke in each player... Who will be the better one to win the game?
(I think I'm explaining myself well... The objetive isn't to analyse which is the most beautiful shot, I think Fed's Backhand is pretty beautiful, but not that spectacular for the game. The objetive here, is to analyse the best shot-combo to get more results in tennis).

Well, let's see...



Nadal:

Forehand
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Backhand
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Djokovic:

Forehand:
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Backhand:
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(Not the best quality in this one... But great video).


Federer

Forehand:
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Backhand:
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Murray:

Forehand:
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Backhand:
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NOTE: The videos are the best according to my opinion.
I tried to put the better videos to make a correct analysis.

nole_no1
06-23-2011, 07:16 PM
Nole of course
When he's "in the zone" he's unstoppable

GOAT = Fed
06-23-2011, 07:17 PM
Nole of course
When he's "in the zone" he's unstoppable

Can be said about any of the top 4.

born_on_clay
06-23-2011, 07:22 PM
Nadal's

Certinfy
06-23-2011, 07:44 PM
Novak Djokovic. Not even close to me.

Nole Rules
06-23-2011, 07:52 PM
Nole and it's not even close.

SerialKillerToBe
06-23-2011, 07:54 PM
It used to be Nadal but his backhand has been suspect this year. Getting back to form though.

I'd say Djokovic with Nadal a close second.

Nole Rules
06-23-2011, 07:56 PM
Nole : Great FH + Great BH.
Rafa : Great FH + decent BH most of the time.
Roger : Great FH + Shit BH most of the time.
Murray : Great BH + Decent FH.

It's obvious.:shrug:

dombrfc
06-23-2011, 07:57 PM
Nole

Nole Rules
06-23-2011, 08:01 PM
Nole's FH has improved big time this year. It's lethal now. Nole can do whatever he wants with that shot.

Nole Rules
06-23-2011, 08:04 PM
:rolleyes: Nadal isn't the only player on the ATP tour. That shit backhand kicked PEAKovic's ass at RG.

Sorry, I forgot to add "most of the time".:p

viruzzz
06-23-2011, 08:06 PM
Nole's FH have improved big time this year. It's lethal now. Nole can do whatever he wants with that shot.

This.

You know. I'm not the best fan of Nole (I wouldn't say I don't like it. But mostly of the time I don't), but this is true.

Look at deez piz o shit.

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Amazing, Nole. :worship:

Nole Rules
06-23-2011, 08:13 PM
^ That was SICK FH.:worship:

romismak
06-23-2011, 08:21 PM
Very interresting topic to compare only FH and BH of best players, but right now i think it is not the right time to compare, because most people will vote for Djokovic how we can see, because he has best half year of his career behind him now, Rafa on other side has worse BH than he used to and Roger became shankerer - in times when he is not playing very good like RG, so right now i will too say Djokovic has the best combo, but overall we can say that at their peak - anyone of this players is so fu.king good is amazing i mean in 2008 when Rafa was at his best and making 0 UE, his forehand and beckand were those shots which dominates rallies, Roger in his era of domination had best FH on the tour and his BH was far better than is today and Murray when played some great tennis on HC Masters or US open 2008 was also far better than today in shot selection. So now i will say Djokovic, but let this thread open and we can discuss that in one year from now and we will see how people´s choose will be different maybe.

GOAT = Fed
06-23-2011, 08:40 PM
At their best:

Fed - FH: 120000/10 , BH: 7/10

Nadal - FH: 9/10 , BH: 8/10

Nole - FH: 9.5/10 , BH: 9.5/10

Murray - FH: 7.5/10 , BH: 9.5/10

So Novak takes it I have to say.

asmazif
06-23-2011, 09:15 PM
At their best:

Fed - FH: 120000/10 , BH: 7/10

Nadal - FH: 9/10 , BH: 8/10

Nole - FH: 9.5/10 , BH: 9.5/10

Murray - FH: 7.5/10 , BH: 9.5/10

So Novak takes it I have to say.

Nah, 120007 > 19

Bleeth
06-23-2011, 09:34 PM
Imagina the perfect winner stroke in each player... Who will be the better one to win the game?
(I think I'm explaining myself well... The objetive isn't to analyse which is the most beautiful shot, I think Fed's Backhand is pretty beautiful, but not that spectacular for the game. The objetive here, is to analyse the best shot-combo to get more results in tennis).



Oh crap, i voted for Shankerer before i read your explanation, but put like that Nole by a huge margin.

Sauletekis
06-23-2011, 09:53 PM
I understand the point of the thread, but on MTF it's just impossible to get fair answers. Nadal fans will say Nadal, Fed fans will say Fed, Nole fans will say Nole... You get the point...

janko05
06-23-2011, 09:57 PM
That Dubai match is worth of second watching.There were sick shots from both sides.As for the poll I must say Nole.Unreal tennis so far this year.

guga2120
06-23-2011, 09:57 PM
Obviously Novak.

homogenius
06-23-2011, 09:58 PM
Djokovic

Filo V.
06-23-2011, 10:16 PM
Djokovic.

Nole fan
06-23-2011, 10:16 PM
Well it seems Novak is winning by a large margin. Best combo shot in the Top 4 for sure.

samanosuke
06-23-2011, 10:18 PM
Djokovic
Fed
Nadal
Murray

Sophocles
06-23-2011, 10:35 PM
This year it's obviously Djokovic. But peak Federer's forehand was significantly better even than peak Nole's backhand & peak Federer's backhand, which is absurdly underrated now, was not that much worse than peak Nole's forehand. At his peak, Federer's weaker wing was consistently vulnerable only to one player on one surface, & his stronger wing was the greatest shot in the history of the sport.

GSMnadal
06-23-2011, 10:45 PM
I'd still trade in almost every FH+BH combo, just for the Nadal forehand, it's brutal.

And the Fedal backhands are being underrated here. Rafa's crosscourt backhand is one hell of a shot, and Federer's backhand is better than just about anyone elses on the tour, if he doesn't play Nadal. Djokovic's forehand is decent and reliable, but it doesn't have the same sting as Federer's or Nadal's. His backhand is better, but not by that big of a margin as it looks like in this thread.

I'd go for Rafa on this, just to have that forehand. That shot has given him 4 out of the last 5 slams.

JanKowalski
06-23-2011, 11:04 PM
Do you mean prime or current? If prime - Federer. If current - Djokovic. In the last 3 years - Nadal.

Elbarto
06-24-2011, 12:04 AM
Better FH/BH combo?

1)Djoko
2)Federer
3)Nadal
4)Murray

when Del Potro will regain the top 5 in 2012 :

1)Djoko
2)Federer
3)Del Potro
4)Nadal
5)Murray

Pirata.
06-24-2011, 12:11 AM
Novak, not even close.

NadalPhan
06-24-2011, 12:16 AM
Nadal fh 9 bh 7
Djokovic fh 7.5 bh 10
Federer fh 10 bh 6
Murray fh 5 bh 9

:confused:

Nadal's FH is definitely a 10.

Bleeth
06-24-2011, 12:43 AM
Nadal's FH is definitely a 10.

Nadal's FH is definitely an ugliest looking shoot in a history of this sport and should be made illegal, that's the only sure thing here. All other things are open to discussion.

viruzzz
06-24-2011, 12:51 AM
Nadal's FH is definitely an ugliest looking shoot in a history of this sport and should be made illegal, that's the only sure thing here. All other things are open to discussion.

Well... Probably it doesn't looks so well, but it's so fuc*in effective.
And I think that's what it count in the match.
He can also make beautiful shots with that FH, the banana-shot is one of the best tennis shots ever.

But yeah, I agree it's not beautiful and classy.

Zinn
06-24-2011, 12:55 AM
I'd say Djokovic has a great combination of both. But I love watching Federer's one handed backhand so much.

Bleeth
06-24-2011, 12:55 AM
Well... Probably it doesn't looks so well, but it's so fuc*in effective.
And I think that's what it count in the match.
He can also make beautiful shots with that FH, the banana-shot is one of the best tennis shots ever.

But yeah, I agree it's not beautiful and classy.

No one is doubting the effectiveness of Nadulls shots (it's been proven in hundred of matches), but that loopy shit is just not something i want to see in a tennis match.

!VamosRafa!
06-24-2011, 01:02 AM
Nadal FH: 9/10 BH: 6/10
Djokovic FH: 9/10 FH: 10/10
Federer FH: 8.5/10 FH: 6.5
Murray FH:5 BH:8

Djokovic has the best everything:shrug: People will have to accept that he will win almost everything in the next 4-5 years:bigcry:

Roddickominator
06-24-2011, 01:09 AM
^Agreed with all of those except i'd say Federer's forehand is still a 9+.

Everybody knows it's Djokovic. He's the most complete player at this point. He doesn't attack as well as prime Federer, and he probably doesn't defend as well as prime Nadal, but he is better balanced than both. As usual, Murray doesn't belong in this discussion.

If Del Potro gets back on track, he has a pretty decent case for #2 on this list as well. Biggest forehand of the group and a pretty quality backhand.

Ibracadabra
06-24-2011, 01:14 AM
Noles combination is the most solid and devastating.

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 01:16 AM
Novak, not even close.

This.

guga2120
06-24-2011, 01:21 AM
Nole's FH has improved big time this year. It's lethal now. Nole can do whatever he wants with that shot.

I wouldn't say he can do whatever he wants, but it has improved hugely. I would say atleast 8 out 10, maybe 9 out of 10. His backhand is clearly a 10, best single shot in tennis right now. That side he can do whatever he wants, and not only does he hit it hard and take it early, it seems like he never misses it, unless a bunch of crazy french people are yelling at him.;)

eduggs
06-24-2011, 01:31 AM
Djokovic is the obvious choice. But I think Nadal is closer than many think. It's true that he is usually less aggressive and less dangerous with his rally backhand. But his game isn't based on overpowering his opponent from the baseline, especially with the backhand. What makes Nadal's backhand so great is his ability to defend with it when his opponent attacks that side. Simply put, his backhand pass - especially on the run - is the best I've ever seen. This single shot has won him matches against Federer. Djokovic is exceptional in this regard as well... and Murry to a slightly lesser extent. But Nadal is amazingly consistent making difficult backhand passes, almost to the point where the attacking player is better off not attacking.

Federer is very skilled with his backhand as well. And it suits his overall game, which is based on serve/forehand and variety to fill in the gaps. But he is behind the top two, who have exceptional backhands.

I think Rafa's forehand is the best shot of all. And his backhand is also very good. In my mind this puts him close to Novak, who's forehand is probably a little worse, and backhand probably a little better (which averages about even with Rafa). I think Roger's forehand is between Rafa and Novak, but his backhand is slightly below Rafa's. (I actually think he does some things better than Rafa with the backhand, but he doesn't defend with it as well). I think Murray's combo is the lowest of all, but not by a large margin. He has the worst forehand and a backhand on par with Federer or slightly better.

eduggs
06-24-2011, 01:36 AM
Forehand:Backhand ratings with combined average
Nadal: 9.5/7 16.5
Djokovic:8.5/8 16.5
Federer:9/6.5 15.5
Murray:7.5/7.5 15

Tenn1sAdd1ct
06-24-2011, 10:42 AM
Nole of course has the best combo. Though I think Fed still has the best FH because of sick variety.

ballbasher101
06-24-2011, 10:46 AM
The Djoker by a mile. The guy should win another major this year. He deserves it.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 11:09 AM
Nadal has the worst BH by far . Fed's BH is dangerous shot to nadal's

Arakasi
06-24-2011, 11:36 AM
Right now Djokovic. But Fedal's backhands are being seriously underrated. They weren't always as bad as they are today.

Sophocles
06-24-2011, 11:50 AM
Peak:

Nadal - FH 9.5, BH 8.5 = 18
Djokovic - FH 8.5, BH 10 = 18.5
Federer - FH 10, BH 8 = 18
Murray - FH 7, BH 9 = 16.

Now:

Nadal - FH 9, BH 7.5 = 16.5
Djokovic - FH 8.5, BH 10 = 18.5
Federer - FH 9, BH 6.5 = 15.5
Murray - FH 6.5, BH 8.5 = 15.

Okay, I guess Djoker edges it even when all are at peak.

Arakasi
06-24-2011, 12:23 PM
Peak:

Nadal - FH 9.5, BH 8.5 = 18
Djokovic - FH 8.5, BH 10 = 18.5
Federer - FH 10, BH 8 = 18
Murray - FH 7, BH 9 = 16.

I agree with pretty much all of it except I'd make Djokovic's backhand a 9.5.

Saberq
06-24-2011, 01:06 PM
I agree with pretty much all of it except I'd make Djokovic's backhand a 9.5.

I wouldn't his BH is a 10...But at his prime Federer's FH was 20...It is still better than all four of them...But Djokovic has the most reliable FH...He makes very few UE

buzz
06-24-2011, 02:38 PM
Peak:

Nadal - FH 9.5, BH 8.5 = 18
Djokovic - FH 8.5, BH 10 = 18.5
Federer - FH 10, BH 8 = 18
Murray - FH 7, BH 9 = 16.

Now:

Nadal - FH 9, BH 7.5 = 16.5
Djokovic - FH 8.5, BH 10 = 18.5
Federer - FH 9, BH 6.5 = 15.5
Murray - FH 6.5, BH 8.5 = 15.

Okay, I guess Djoker edges it even when all are at peak.

Djokovic obviously has a very good backhand but he can't hit winners as easely with it as Federer with his forehand, and can't put as much pressure on oppenent with his backhand as Nadal with his forehand.

I guess it is more valuable to have a good fh than bh just because it will probably result in more points. So in order to say witch FH BH combination is best it is better to count the FH more heavely. Like with your numbers and a factor 2 for fh
peak:

Nadal - FH 9.5 (19), BH 8.5 = 18 (27,5)
Djokovic - FH 8.5 (17), BH 10 = 18.5 (25,5)
Federer - FH 10 (20), BH 8 = 18 (28)
Murray - FH 7 (14), BH 9 = 16. (23)

Now:

Nadal - FH 9 (18), BH 7.5 = 16.5 (25,5)
Djokovic - FH 8.5 (17), BH 10 = 18.5 (25,5)
Federer - FH 9 (18), BH 6.5 = 15.5 (24,5)
Murray - FH 6.5 (13), BH 8.5 = 15. (21,5)

Witch translates better to their respective achievements.

Certinfy
06-24-2011, 02:39 PM
If you guys rate Nadal's BH as an 8.5 how can you rate Murray's at 9? Murray's would have to be at least a 9.5 then...

Sophocles
06-24-2011, 02:55 PM
Djokovic obviously has a very good backhand but he can't hit winners as easely with it as Federer with his forehand, and can't put as much pressure on oppenent with his backhand as Nadal with his forehand.

I guess it is more valuable to have a good fh than bh just because it will probably result in more points. So in order to say witch FH BH combination is best it is better to count the FH more heavely. Like with your numbers and a factor 2 for fh
peak:

Nadal - FH 9.5 (19), BH 8.5 = 18 (27,5)
Djokovic - FH 8.5 (17), BH 10 = 18.5 (25,5)
Federer - FH 10 (20), BH 8 = 18 (28)
Murray - FH 7 (14), BH 9 = 16. (23)

Now:

Nadal - FH 9 (18), BH 7.5 = 16.5 (25,5)
Djokovic - FH 8.5 (17), BH 10 = 18.5 (25,5)
Federer - FH 9 (18), BH 6.5 = 15.5 (24,5)
Murray - FH 6.5 (13), BH 8.5 = 15. (21,5)

Witch translates better to their respective achievements.

You may be on to something there.

buzz
06-24-2011, 02:55 PM
If you guys rate Nadal's BH as an 8.5 how can you rate Murray's at 9? Murray's would have to be at least a 9.5 then...

I just took sophocles rating. It is always an estimation, because how you hit a FH or BH depends on all kind of things, like opponent, surface, balls, wind and of course your previous shot like a serve. You can't argue about 0,5 points on a scale of 10 in my opinion

Sophocles
06-24-2011, 02:56 PM
If you guys rate Nadal's BH as an 8.5 how can you rate Murray's at 9? Murray's would have to be at least a 9.5 then...

At peak, possibly, yes.

NadalPhan
06-24-2011, 10:24 PM
The Djoker by a mile. The guy should win another major this year. He deserves it.

There's no such thing as deserving a major; simply put you have to earn it.

viruzzz
06-24-2011, 10:45 PM
There's no such thing as deserving a major; simply put you have to earn it.

In Nole's case, u just need to beat Roger and Nadal in the last 2 rounds.

Rafa:
(it's easy, Nole is pleyin best, he deserves to number 1, no?)

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 11:09 PM
too much credit for nadal's backhand