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Round 3 Muller vs Nadal

MTwEeZi
06-22-2011, 05:39 PM
Although Raonic was supposed to be the big match, I think Muller will also be a tricky opponent because he has beaten Nadal at Wimbledon before.

henke007
06-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Hopefully it will be played indoors..

Pirata.
06-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Luckdal in 3 if he is healthy, no?

misty1
06-22-2011, 05:44 PM
nadal will win but i do think muller will atleast manage a set if he serves well

TheRafaelNadal
06-22-2011, 05:45 PM
Although Raonic was supposed to be the big match, I think Muller will also be a tricky opponent because he has beaten Nadal at Wimbledon before.

that was like 6 fucking years ago. Nadal in straights losing less than 10 games.

Certinfy
06-22-2011, 05:45 PM
It all depends on how Muller serves, needs to serve huge to have even a chance of getting a set.

ossie
06-22-2011, 05:46 PM
he beat me here before so he is obviously the favorite, no?

BULLZ1LLA
06-22-2011, 05:46 PM
(Muller beat Rafa in 4 in 2005 Wimbledon)

Pirata.
06-22-2011, 05:47 PM
(Muller beat Rafa in 4 in 2005 Wimbledon)

:facepalm:

BULLZ1LLA
06-22-2011, 05:47 PM
(Raonic actually broke Muller's serve today, despite the match only lasting 5 games)

MIMIC
06-22-2011, 05:48 PM
(Muller beat Rafa in 4 in 2005 Wimbledon)

Coming from you, this comment is just drenched in irony.

yesh222
06-22-2011, 05:48 PM
Interesting stat (which will no doubt get blown out of ridiculous proportion by everyone here): Since 2005, only two players have beaten Rafa at Wimbledon. Federer and Gilles Muller.

ossie
06-22-2011, 05:50 PM
Interesting stat (which will no doubt get blown out of ridiculous proportion by everyone here): Since 2005, only two players have beaten Rafa at Wimbledon. Federer and Gilles Muller.when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

yesh222
06-22-2011, 05:52 PM
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

:worship:

romismak
06-22-2011, 05:52 PM
I think Muller has a shot to win this- yes to win why not. We all know that it will be on his racquet- if he will serving good he can beat him in TB- i don´t expect him to broke Rafa more than once, maybe twice in whole match but i think he can win in 4 sets maybe 2TB-s and one set in which he broke Rafa. Yes today he was broken by Raonic pretty soon, but still against Rafa it will be another match, another day- if they will play indoors under roof , Mullers should benefits from that. I think Rafa hate to play this kind of players, he always struggles against guys with huge serves, when last time he pretty confortable beat someone like Ivo, Isner, Ljubicic, Roddick, Tsonga, Raonic, Muller on non-clay tournaments? He just isn´t so great against those players, yes Rafa should win this in 3-4 sets, but still i think Muller has this match on his racquet. Serve big and go after winners and he can take Rafa down.

BULLZ1LLA
06-22-2011, 05:53 PM
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

(Federer has a 2-1 record vs Rafa at Wimbledon. Muller has a 1-0 record)

TheRafaelNadal
06-22-2011, 05:53 PM
Nadal was relatively new in 2005 though, if he didn't lose to muller he would have lose to some other unknown. Remember when Henman beat Federer countless times?

_Chaz
06-22-2011, 05:54 PM
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

Rafa vs Fed would be 2-2 and Rafa vs Muller would be 1-1 :confused:

MTwEeZi
06-22-2011, 05:54 PM
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

Scrichipan has also beaten Nadal at Wimbledon.

Speed of Light
06-22-2011, 05:55 PM
Nadal is in a world of hurt here. A relatively 'fresh' big serving opponent is a HUGE danger for Rafa here especially in these conditions, even more than the inexperienced Raonic. Yes he won his 2nd round easily but, he did the same 2 years ago in FO where he beat Hewitt 6-1 6-3 6-1 before getting knocked of the court by Soderling. Even back then he was winning with easy scores but his level of play was not too good- the same as it has been this year. If Muller can keep up a high level on serve, apply some variations to stem the backcourt play and mentally hold it up, then Rafa is going to wish he never picked up the tennis racquet when he was 3 years old, after Muller gets through with him. And I fear this is exactly what Muller is going to do. Really, really bad for Rafa that Muller is going to be so fresh, despite what people will say I think it's a 50-50 situation since after what has happened, with maybe Muller having a slight advantage.
The stars are all aligning for Nole the future No.1.

Nathaliia
06-22-2011, 05:56 PM
When doing a research for an article about Muller I found his old quote "Probably Nadal will never win Wimbledon, it's still too fast for the claycourter"

:lol: :hug:

I think Gilles can win a set.

Jaz
06-22-2011, 05:57 PM
Nadal will destroy this mug.

Speed of Light
06-22-2011, 05:57 PM
Yes I think the 2005 results goes to show that Muller has an advantage over Rafa here in these conditions.

_Chaz
06-22-2011, 05:57 PM
Nadal is in a world of hurt here. A relatively 'fresh' big serving opponent is a HUGE danger for Rafa here especially in these conditions, even more than the inexperienced Raonic. Yes he won his 2nd round easily but, he did the same 2 years ago in FO where he beat Hewitt 6-1 6-3 6-1 before getting knocked of the court by Soderling. Even back then he was winning with easy scores but his level of play was not too good- the same as it has been this year. If Muller can keep up a high level on serve, apply some variations to stem the backcourt play and mentally hold it up, then Rafa is going to wish he never picked up the tennis racquet when he was 3 years old, after Muller gets through with him. And I fear this is exactly what Muller is going to do. Really, really bad for Rafa that Muller is going to be so fresh, despite what people will say I think it's a 50-50 situation since after what has happened, with maybe Muller having a slight advantage.
The stars are all aligning for Nole the future No.1.

Suddenly you've changed your mind :haha:

ossie
06-22-2011, 05:58 PM
Rafa vs Fed would be 2-2 and Rafa vs Muller would be 1-1 :confused:miscalculation by my part there, srichapan though :dog:

BULLZ1LLA
06-22-2011, 05:58 PM
Nadal is in a world of hurt here. A relatively 'fresh' big serving opponent is a HUGE danger for Rafa here especially in these conditions, even more than the inexperienced Raonic. Yes he won his 2nd round easily but, he did the same 2 years ago in FO where he beat Hewitt 6-1 6-3 6-1 before getting knocked of the court by Soderling. Even back then he was winning with easy scores but his level of play was not too good- the same as it has been this year. If Muller can keep up a high level on serve, apply some variations to stem the backcourt play and mentally hold it up, then Rafa is going to wish he never picked up the tennis racquet when he was 3 years old, after Muller gets through with him. And I fear this is exactly what Muller is going to do. Really, really bad for Rafa that Muller is going to be so fresh, despite what people will say I think it's a 50-50 situation since after what has happened, with maybe Muller having a slight advantage.
The stars are all aligning for Nole the future No.1.

(Djokovic is gutless in slams, apart from at the Australian Open for some reason. If Rafa gets to play Djokovic in the final then Rafa can extend his slam h2h to 6-0 vs Djokovic)

MaxPower
06-22-2011, 05:59 PM
Luckdal in 3

A_Skywalker
06-22-2011, 05:59 PM
muller will probably wake up with paralysed upper body . every guy who needs to play nadal actually risking a lot with not withdrawing before the start of tournament .

just give the title to the pig

this is actually very funny :lol:
You should be promoted to *comedian of MTF*

delpiero7
06-22-2011, 06:01 PM
Seeing as Petzschner and Haase managed to take Nadal to 5 sets last year, and that Nadal got taken to 5 sets by another big server in Isner on CLAY a couple of weeks back, no reason to think why this is a forgone conclusion for Nadal.

No idea what the forecast is for Friday, but no doubt the haters will be doing their best raindance so that the roof gets closed. ;)

Titi
06-22-2011, 06:01 PM
If Muller serves as he did in rd 1 and comes forward alot, he may force a couple of tie-breaks and maybe nick a set.

Nadal in 4 max.

MIMIC
06-22-2011, 06:02 PM
Nadal is in a world of hurt here. A relatively 'fresh' big serving opponent is a HUGE danger for Rafa here especially in these conditions, even more than the inexperienced Raonic. Yes he won his 2nd round easily but, he did the same 2 years ago in FO where he beat Hewitt 6-1 6-3 6-1 before getting knocked of the court by Soderling. Even back then he was winning with easy scores but his level of play was not too good- the same as it has been this year. If Muller can keep up a high level on serve, apply some variations to stem the backcourt play and mentally hold it up, then Rafa is going to wish he never picked up the tennis racquet when he was 3 years old, after Muller gets through with him. And I fear this is exactly what Muller is going to do. Really, really bad for Rafa that Muller is going to be so fresh, despite what people will say I think it's a 50-50 situation since after what has happened, with maybe Muller having a slight advantage.
The stars are all aligning for Nole the future No.1.

Wow you're predictable :haha: :haha:

Not quite. Allow me:

Muller is a particularly dangerous opponent. He's already beaten Nadal on grass and obviously knows what it takes to beat Rafa. This will be a tricky round, especially since he has had more time to rest.

Speed of Light, careergrandslam....how'd I do? :bounce:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=11147324&postcount=4074

Nathaliia
06-22-2011, 06:05 PM
Muller also beat Roddick at USO R1 where Roddick was supposed to win a title then. I am absolutely sure he will fight. Someone made a good point with Haase, Isner etc.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-22-2011, 06:06 PM
Rafa in 3.

Harmless
06-22-2011, 06:06 PM
Slaughterhouse, I'm afraid. Rafa in 3, if a little sweatier than usual.
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:
:haha:

Yes I think the 2005 results goes to show that Muller has an advantage over Rafa here in these conditions.
This is funnier than my current sig, mind if I knick it? :p

Langers
06-22-2011, 06:07 PM
Nadal is the underdog here I think. Muller with his serve will pose serious questions, I expect him to win at least 2 sets.

careergrandslam
06-22-2011, 06:07 PM
The 22-year-old, who had lost their previous encounters on clay and hardcourt, said: "It is easier to play him on grass than on clay, that's for sure. He's the man on clay this season.

"But on grass it is different. I can use my serve and volley and that will always be tough for clay-court players. Maybe Nadal will never win Wimbledon."


too good this muller guy.

hope rafa destroys this frenchie

abraxas21
06-22-2011, 06:08 PM
Suddenly you've changed your mind :haha:

speed of light is another supertitious rafartard who actully thinks he's jibxing nadull's opponents :haha:

Titi
06-22-2011, 06:11 PM
I mean, I will survive all these draws, titles , few more slam titles, delusion of nadal's fan girls and other... but when something great happens, before a life-time ban I will afford to every tennis fan the best moments on MTF ever and to every pig follower the worst nightmare if he/she will have the strength to deal with it


you may freely mark my words

What the hell are you talking about.

careergrandslam
06-22-2011, 06:12 PM
nadal better sort his shit out.

or muller might violate him again at wimbledon

samanosuke
06-22-2011, 06:12 PM
What the hell are you talking about.

you'll see . just be patient

Speed of Light
06-22-2011, 06:12 PM
Wow you're predictable :haha: :haha:


http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=11147324&postcount=4074

I think people are confusing the fact that Raonic was a huge threat with the fact that Muller is no threat at all. That was not at all what the intelligenstia here like me or careergrandslam were saying. We were just pointing out how big a problem BIG SERVERS would be to ANYBODY in the first week of a tournament. Yes, I initially favored Raonic slightly more to be a bigger challenge, but never expected at that time that Muller would come through so fresh (after the unfortunate incidence). But as it stands now, Fresh Muller = As big a threat as Raonic if not more = Huge threat for Anyone = Toughest 3rd round for Anyone.

abraxas21
06-22-2011, 06:12 PM
The 22-year-old, who had lost their previous encounters on clay and hardcourt, said: "It is easier to play him on grass than on clay, that's for sure. He's the man on clay this season.

"But on grass it is different. I can use my serve and volley and that will always be tough for clay-court players. Maybe Nadal will never win Wimbledon."


too good this muller guy.

hope rafa destroys this frenchie

he's from luxemburg and piggy should have never won wimbledon

Harmless
06-22-2011, 06:13 PM
The 22-year-old, who had lost their previous encounters on clay and hardcourt, said: "It is easier to play him on grass than on clay, that's for sure. He's the man on clay this season.

"But on grass it is different. I can use my serve and volley and that will always be tough for clay-court players. Maybe Nadal will never win Wimbledon."


too good this muller guy.

hope rafa destroys this frenchie

Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg would like a word with you.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Henri_of_Luxembourg_%282009%29.jpg/210px-Henri_of_Luxembourg_%282009%29.jpg

abraxas21
06-22-2011, 06:14 PM
I think people are confusing the fact that Raonic was a huge threat with the fact that Muller is no threat at all. That was not at all what the intelligenstia here like me or careergrandslam were saying.

:rolleyes:

bokehlicious
06-22-2011, 06:15 PM
Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg would like a word with you.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Henri_of_Luxembourg_%282009%29.jpg/210px-Henri_of_Luxembourg_%282009%29.jpg

What do you expect from yet another clueless yank... :o

MIMIC
06-22-2011, 06:15 PM
I think people are confusing the fact that Raonic was a huge threat with the fact that Muller is no threat at all. That was not at all what the intelligenstia here like me or careergrandslam were saying. We were just pointing out how big a problem BIG SERVERS would be to ANYBODY in the first week of a tournament. Yes, I initially favored Raonic slightly more to be a bigger challenge, but never expected at that time that Muller would come through so fresh (after the unfortunate incidence). But as it stands now, Fresh Muller = As big a threat as Raonic if not more = Huge threat for Anyone = Toughest 3rd round for Anyone.

6/10

FormerRafaFan
06-22-2011, 06:15 PM
Rafa in 4.

rafa_maniac
06-22-2011, 06:19 PM
Chance to level the Wimbledon H2H :rocker2:

delpiero7
06-22-2011, 06:20 PM
A serious question for the Nadal haters (well, for those who can manage to muster a serious reply without using terms such as Nadull, pig, moonballer etc.)

Why is it so disastrous that Muller is playing Nadal in R3 rather than Raonic? Yes, Raonic has the bigger serve, but other than that, what does he really possess? Although I haven't watched him since his match against Harrison at Indian Wells, I doubt he'll have improved massively in the space of 3 months.

His rallying ability could do with a lot of improvement if he wants to make it to the very top. Nadal has shown before that although big servers can give him trouble, they'll have a hell of a tough time beating him. Karlovic, Isner and Querrey have all taken Nadal close more than once, but none of them have ever beaten him. What makes Raonic so different? He possesses the huge serve, but what else?

Obviously he would have been a threat to Nadal, but Muller is not a significantly easier player to face. Unless, of course you can argue otherwise.

bokehlicious
06-22-2011, 06:21 PM
A serious question for the Nadal haters (well, for those who can manage to muster a serious reply without using terms such as Nadull, pig, moonballer etc.)

Why is it so disastrous that Muller is playing Nadal in R3 rather than Raonic? Yes, Raonic has the bigger serve, but other than that, what does he really possess? Although I haven't watched him since his match against Harrison at Indian Wells, I doubt he'll have improved massively in the space of 3 months.

His rallying ability could do with a lot of improvement if he wants to make it to the very top. Nadal has shown before that although big servers can give him trouble, they'll have a hell of a tough time beating him. Karlovic, Isner and Querrey have all taken Nadal close more than once, but none of them have ever beaten him. What makes Raonic so different? He possesses the huge serve, but what else?

Obviously he would have been a threat to Nadal, but Muller is not a significantly easier player to face. Unless, of course you can argue otherwise.

Surely you cannot be serious... :rolleyes:

samanosuke
06-22-2011, 06:23 PM
just waiting the moment when muster gets WC for the main draw and plays nadal in first round

yesh222
06-22-2011, 06:23 PM
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

Slaughterhouse, I'm afraid. Rafa in 3, if a little sweatier than usual.

:haha:


This is funnier than my current sig, mind if I knick it? :p

Go for it. It's pretty funny. Besides, mine is only applicable in some threads.

abraxas21
06-22-2011, 06:24 PM
Obviously he would have been a threat to Nadal, but Muller is not a significantly easier player to face. Unless, of course you can argue otherwise.

yes, the difficulty of a match-up is decided upon the quality of an MTF quality discussion :lol:

delpiero7
06-22-2011, 06:27 PM
yes, the difficulty of a match-up is decided upon the quality of an MTF quality discussion :lol:

I didn't say it was, mate.

I was just trying to find out exactly WHY the Nadal haters are crying about easy draws again, but not ONE has given a single reason as to why facing Muller is much easier than facing Raonic.

Start da Game
06-22-2011, 06:27 PM
nadal in 3 sets......muller won't be allowed anything......nothing would have changed even with raonic......

RagaZ
06-22-2011, 06:29 PM
If Muller wins, he will join Davydenko as the only active players on the tour with a positive H2H against Nadal.

_Chaz
06-22-2011, 06:29 PM
A serious question for the Nadal haters (well, for those who can manage to muster a serious reply without using terms such as Nadull, pig, moonballer etc.)

Why is it so disastrous that Muller is playing Nadal in R3 rather than Raonic? Yes, Raonic has the bigger serve, but other than that, what does he really possess? Although I haven't watched him since his match against Harrison at Indian Wells, I doubt he'll have improved massively in the space of 3 months.

His rallying ability could do with a lot of improvement if he wants to make it to the very top. Nadal has shown before that although big servers can give him trouble, they'll have a hell of a tough time beating him. Karlovic, Isner and Querrey have all taken Nadal close more than once, but none of them have ever beaten him. What makes Raonic so different? He possesses the huge serve, but what else?

Obviously he would have been a threat to Nadal, but Muller is not a significantly easier player to face. Unless, of course you can argue otherwise.


I also dislike Nadal, but I also think Muller is tougher on grass than Raonic would be. I think ppl overestimate Raonic's grass abilities a bit. He just can't move on it (because he didn't play much on it), like Del Potro for example.

But there's one thing I'd like to know. Many here say that it is always tough to face a big server in the early rounds. Federer might face Isner in 4th round (ok, that's 2nd week, but anyway) and still the Nadalfans say Federer's draw is a cake. I don't think Isner would have any chance against Federer in the 4th round, he's just too bad off serve. But then I also think Muller will take max one TB and nothing more. So either everybody should say that big servers are dangerous for Fedal and not sth like "Muller will be tough for Nadal but Isner is a cake for Federer".

Harmless
06-22-2011, 06:31 PM
A serious question for the Nadal haters (well, for those who can manage to muster a serious reply without using terms such as Nadull, pig, moonballer etc.)

Why is it so disastrous that Muller is playing Nadal in R3 rather than Raonic? Yes, Raonic has the bigger serve, but other than that, what does he really possess? Although I haven't watched him since his match against Harrison at Indian Wells, I doubt he'll have improved massively in the space of 3 months.

His rallying ability could do with a lot of improvement if he wants to make it to the very top. Nadal has shown before that although big servers can give him trouble, they'll have a hell of a tough time beating him. Karlovic, Isner and Querrey have all taken Nadal close more than once, but none of them have ever beaten him. What makes Raonic so different? He possesses the huge serve, but what else?

Obviously he would have been a threat to Nadal, but Muller is not a significantly easier player to face. Unless, of course you can argue otherwise.
I don't think it really has as much to do with the shots, as it does with mentality. (Raonic vs. Muller, that is)
Raonic is an up and coming player, young and ambitious and anxious to rise up in the rankings for the first time.
Muller is an experienced player, with a bunch of top 10 players matches(and wins) under his belt, but more mentally volatile, less likely to fight to the extent that a younger player would, even if, in terms of talent, he is the better player of the two. He's been fighting an injury and going through the CH circuit in the last two years, so not much is expected from him at this point.
It's the exact opposite with Milos.

Go for it. It's pretty funny. Besides, mine is only applicable in some threads.
Nah, yours is universally funny. :p

delpiero7
06-22-2011, 06:36 PM
I don't think it really has as much to do with the shots, as it does with mentality. (Raonic vs. Muller, that is)
Raonic is an up and coming player, young and ambitious and anxious to rise up in the rankings for the first time.
Muller is an experienced player, with a bunch of top 10 players matches(and wins) under his belt, but more mentally volatile, less likely to fight to the extent that a younger player would, even if, in terms of talent, he is the better player of the two. He's been fighting an injury and going through the CH circuit in the last two years, so not much is expected from his at this point.
It's the exact opposite with Milos.

Totally fair point.

However, the reaction of some of the haters on here, you'd think that Djokovic was Nadal's next projected opponent, but instead he's facing someone like Brian Dabul.

Speed of Light
06-22-2011, 06:38 PM
If Muller wins, he will join Davydenko as the only active players on the tour with a positive H2H against Nadal.

This will give added impetous to Muller to perform well and prove a point here. This may be the biggest chance to shine in his life. I bet he is calling up Soderling for tips right now.

delpiero7
06-22-2011, 06:38 PM
just wait when nadal fan girls will start to complain about the draw when he will need to play grass court God Del Potro in the 4th round

You say that now, but if Del Potro (or Nadal) loses before then, no doubt you'll be complaining about how Del Potro would have wiped Nadal off the court.

Speed of Light
06-22-2011, 06:41 PM
let me tell you that nadal most probably looks like taking this title......please don't do anything to yourself if that happens, it's just a sport.......i thought i would tell this as a wellwisher of MTF posters......

Yes, I too wish that Nadal wins it. But as i see it, it is becoming very very difficult for him to repeat his success last year with this difficult draw. I don't want it, but I fully expect that he may falter somewhere along the way. He is human after all.

Pirata.
06-22-2011, 06:43 PM
But as i see it, it is becoming very very difficult for him to repeat his success last year with this difficult draw.

:spit::haha:

samanosuke
06-22-2011, 06:43 PM
let me tell you that nadal most probably looks like taking this title......please don't do anything to yourself if that happens, it's just a sport.......i thought i would tell this as a wellwisher of MTF posters......

Don't worry . I have been conciliated with nadal's title even before the start. I have to spare myself for the moments of nadal falling


You say that now, but if Del Potro (or Nadal) loses before then, no doubt you'll be complaining about how Del Potro would have wiped Nadal off the court.

let me think. sela , del potro, simon or rochus . can't decide against whom nadal will win more games

Harmless
06-22-2011, 06:46 PM
If it's such a positive thread, where's the fucking poll?
+1
Where's the poll? :(
You know people mostly come into these threads just to click on things.

Totally fair point.

However, the reaction of some of the haters on here, you'd think that Djokovic was Nadal's next projected opponent, but instead he's facing someone like Brian Dabul.
Brian Dabul, eh?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Burninmaphone/Gifs/frystare.gif

RagaZ
06-22-2011, 06:46 PM
Muller has never lost to Nadal in a Grand Slam

Speed of Light
06-22-2011, 06:52 PM
Whatever happens here I think it is safe to say that Nadal is forever a legend of the sport and no upset can deny him a place among the tennis giants when all is said and done. The style of play of Rafa Nadal is too taxing on his body to sustain the level that he showed for more years. But what we have witnessed in these few years will be something that we may never witness again anytime in our lives. It's like Sampras said, Nadal is a machine that comes along once every two generations. So no matter what happens in this match (i expect Muller to be really dangerous and even if he can't finish the job I fully perceive an upset in the coming rounds) I think a one-off match can never take away Rafa's achievements.

TennisOnWood
06-22-2011, 07:26 PM
6 pages for this :spit:

Sophocles
06-22-2011, 07:41 PM
I didn't say it was, mate.

I was just trying to find out exactly WHY the Nadal haters are crying about easy draws again, but not ONE has given a single reason as to why facing Muller is much easier than facing Raonic.

How about the fact that Raonic is an up-&-coming young player with one of the deadliest serves on the tour who is heading towards the Top 20 having shown good form for much of this year, while Muller is a washed-up never-was playing on the Challenger circuit who has done jackshit since the 2007 U.S. Open (or whenever he made the quarters) & managed to drop serve on grass against return giant Raonic after 5 games?

Fiberlight1
06-22-2011, 07:54 PM
If Muller wins, he will join Davydenko as the only active players on the tour with a positive H2H against Nadal.

Mahut

star
06-22-2011, 07:55 PM
How about the fact that Raonic is an up-&-coming young player with one of the deadliest serves on the tour who is heading towards the Top 20 having shown good form for much of this year, while Muller is a washed-up never-was playing on the Challenger circuit who has done jackshit since the 2007 U.S. Open (or whenever he made the quarters) & managed to drop serve on grass against return giant Raonic after 5 games?

It might have been interesting to see what Raonic could do if he were fully healthy, but he hasn't really been since early this year. I thought Del Potro was the true danger in the draw and not Raonic. If Harrison could get Raonic on the move and defeat him, Nadal certainly could.

tennizen
06-22-2011, 07:58 PM
Nadal is in deep sh!t

BULLZ1LLA
06-22-2011, 07:59 PM
Whatever happens here I think it is safe to say that Nadal is forever a legend of the sport and no upset can deny him a place among the tennis giants when all is said and done. The style of play of Rafa Nadal is too taxing on his body to sustain the level that he showed for more years. But what we have witnessed in these few years will be something that we may never witness again anytime in our lives. It's like Sampras said, Nadal is a machine that comes along once every two generations. So no matter what happens in this match (i expect Muller to be really dangerous and even if he can't finish the job I fully perceive an upset in the coming rounds) I think a one-off match can never take away Rafa's achievements.

(Now that Rafa's parents are finally back together THE RAFA SLAM is definitely on the cards, and that in turn will take a nice portion of Djokovic's AO points away)

Mungo
06-22-2011, 08:01 PM
Although Raonic was supposed to be the big match, I think Muller will also be a tricky opponent because he has beaten Nadal at Wimbledon before.

That was when Nadal used the grass to play football

careergrandslam
06-22-2011, 08:02 PM
(Now that Rafa's parents are finally back together THE RAFA SLAM is definitely on the cards, and that in turn will take a nice portion of Djokovic's AO points away)

rafa's mom is so gorgeous.

Sophocles
06-22-2011, 08:02 PM
It might have been interesting to see what Raonic could do if he were fully healthy, but he hasn't really been since early this year. I thought Del Potro was the true danger in the draw and not Raonic. If Harrison could get Raonic on the move and defeat him, Nadal certainly could.

If Isner can take Nadal to 5 at R.G., Raonic could run him close here on a good serving day. Del Potro is not a threat on grass - not until he learns to move on it. The biggest threat before the semis is Berdych, who last won a set against Nadal sometime in the previous decade.

BULLZ1LLA
06-22-2011, 08:10 PM
(HOUSEHOLD HARMONY

The parents of Rafael Nadal – Ana Maria and Sebastian – are back together after they separated two years ago. They appeared side by side in the Royal Box for Rafael’s opening-round win on Monday and an impeccable source has confirmed that they have indeed reunited.

Their split before the 2009 French Open, when Rafael was upset by Robin Soderling in the round-of-16, had a devastating effect on him. In fact, a member of his inner circle once claimed that the break-up was a bigger factor in his loss to Soderling than the tendonitis problem he had in both knees, a problem that kept him out of tennis for two months.

The good news can only have a positive effect on the world No. 1’s game going forward)

MTwEeZi
06-22-2011, 08:12 PM
^I was wondering why he looked so happy this tournament.. thought he was getting laid more often or something haha

samanosuke
06-22-2011, 08:17 PM
Bitch, fuck off! He schooled Nadal in the 2nd set in Miami this year!

was that just a set before he choked away the third ?

Start da Game
06-22-2011, 08:19 PM
If Isner can take Nadal to 5 at R.G., Raonic could run him close here on a good serving day.

keep exposing your level of understanding about the sport......i am enjoying it.......

Speed of Light
06-22-2011, 08:21 PM
Omg everyone is talking about Raonic and what his chances were. Muller is going under the radar. Omg this is very very bad for Rafa. Muller is a very high calibre player and has the potential to knock anybody out of the tournament. Rafa is a clay courter for heaven's sake, he has no chance against a huge servers on this Wimbledon first week fast grass. Muller will prove to everybody that his win over Nadal in '05 along with last year's Petzschner and Haase 5-setters were no flukes. I fear Rafa is going to be Mullerized on court pants down. He will be exposed for the lucky 2-time Wimbledon flukedal he is. Omg this can't happen, Rafa NO !

Pirata.
06-22-2011, 08:25 PM
If Muller wins, he will join Davydenko as the only active players on the tour with a positive H2H against Nadal.

How could you forget the Gooch? :shrug:

Sophocles
06-22-2011, 08:51 PM
Bitch, fuck off! He schooled Nadal in the 2nd set in Miami this year!

Did he? My bad. A tiny glimmer of hope then.

star
06-22-2011, 08:54 PM
If Isner can take Nadal to 5 at R.G., Raonic could run him close here on a good serving day. Del Potro is not a threat on grass - not until he learns to move on it. The biggest threat before the semis is Berdych, who last won a set against Nadal sometime in the previous decade.

I agree if Raonic was healthy, but he wasn't healthy coming into Wimbledon, and I didn't expect trouble from him because of it. That was my point.

tests
06-22-2011, 09:17 PM
this is BORDERLINE ridiculous.

A guy who has 10 slams, 4 finals in wimbledon, and 2 slams is supposedly going to be troubled by a some random SHMUCK who beat him 6 years ago?

Give me a fucking break. Nadal in 3 easy sets.

The only person who has a chance of beating nadal here IMHO is federer (but we all know he will choke), and maybe, JUST MAYBE andy roddick. I know it sounds ridiculous putting roddick here, but if he plays as well as he can on grass (Wimby final 2009, other years), he can trouble nadal and win it against him. But roddick wont make the final so thats irrelevant.

Murray stands no chance against nadal, same with djokervic (on grass that is).

I see nadal lifting his 11th grand slam in a week, and than his 12th at the USO. Book it

Mountaindewslave
06-22-2011, 10:56 PM
this will be a blowout..... just because Muller beat a young Nadal who had no grass game means NOTHING. would be absolutely shocked if Muller made it all competitive... for those of you saying otherwise, have you taken a look at Muller's year and his lifetime resum'e....? :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
06-22-2011, 11:58 PM
Rafa in three. Easy job. At the worst case, one lost set in a TB, but I'd be very, very surprised if that indeed happens.

Topspindoctor
06-23-2011, 12:15 AM
Nadal will rout this clown. 6-3 6-2 6-2. Who the fuck is Muller anyway?

Nobody's Perfecc
06-23-2011, 12:49 AM
Luckdal in 3 if he is healthy, no?

he beat me here before so he is obviously the favorite, no?

Damnit, this meme always makes me laugh :lol:

octatennis
06-23-2011, 12:57 AM
rafa is ready to go like martin solveig...

Sonja1989
06-23-2011, 12:58 AM
Nadal wins in three. Hard to read Müller's serve on grass but I don't see too serious problem with him for Nadal, at most every set will be tight.

djb84xi
06-23-2011, 01:34 AM
this is BORDERLINE ridiculous.

A guy who has 10 slams, 4 finals in wimbledon, and 2 slams is supposedly going to be troubled by a some random SHMUCK who beat him 6 years ago?

Give me a fucking break. Nadal in 3 easy sets.

The only person who has a chance of beating nadal here IMHO is federer (but we all know he will choke), and maybe, JUST MAYBE andy roddick. I know it sounds ridiculous putting roddick here, but if he plays as well as he can on grass (Wimby final 2009, other years), he can trouble nadal and win it against him. But roddick wont make the final so thats irrelevant.

Murray stands no chance against nadal, same with djokervic (on grass that is).

I see nadal lifting his 11th grand slam in a week, and than his 12th at the USO. Book it


Finally, a person with some common sense, LOL. All you people going by what happened 6 years ago, are more delusional and crazier than I thought. If Muller is such a threat, why hasn't he done anything in the 6 years since they last met here? Rafa has evolved in ways Muller can't even imagine since that time, so to think Muller is gonna hit Nadal off the court again is flat out ridiculously stupid!!!! I'm starting to think some of you belong in a sanitarium...........just plain NUTS!!

SheepleBuster
06-23-2011, 01:46 AM
I think Muller is good enough to beat Rafa in straight sets. Will he? Probably not. As I have said in the past, Rafa won't be in my top 10 today even if he wins all the slams, wins all the tournaments, and goes undefeated for the rest of his career. You can't be #1 in tennis when you don't play tennis.

MIMIC
06-23-2011, 01:51 AM
Muller have confidence of half decade ago, no?

careergrandslam
06-23-2011, 02:06 AM
(HOUSEHOLD HARMONY

The parents of Rafael Nadal – Ana Maria and Sebastian – are back together after they separated two years ago. They appeared side by side in the Royal Box for Rafael’s opening-round win on Monday and an impeccable source has confirmed that they have indeed reunited.

Their split before the 2009 French Open, when Rafael was upset by Robin Soderling in the round-of-16, had a devastating effect on him. In fact, a member of his inner circle once claimed that the break-up was a bigger factor in his loss to Soderling than the tendonitis problem he had in both knees, a problem that kept him out of tennis for two months.

The good news can only have a positive effect on the world No. 1’s game going forward)

disgusting stuff from his parents.
ruined nadal at 2009 french open when he was going for 5 in a row.
then ruined him at wimbledon.
then ruined him at the US open.

2009 was one of nadal's peak years, yet he was mentally and physically way below par in 3 of the 4 slams that year.

get the fark out sebastian. u ruined ur son in 2009 for ur selfish reasons.

careergrandslam
06-23-2011, 02:08 AM
Nadal will rout this clown. 6-3 6-2 6-2. Who the fuck is Muller anyway?

muller was the man that beat nadal at wimbledon in 2005 and gave the famous quote afterwards in his press conference. "maybe nadal will never win wimbledon".

careergrandslam
06-23-2011, 02:12 AM
^I was wondering why he looked so happy this tournament.. thought he was getting laid more often or something haha

probably a bit of both. although i didnt see xisca in his box.

speaking of laid, i got the hots for rafa's mom.
such a gorgeous woman.

BULLZ1LLA
06-23-2011, 02:47 AM
muller was the man that beat nadal at wimbledon in 2005 and gave the famous quote afterwards in his press conference. "maybe nadal will never win wimbledon".

(Rafa sure as holy vamos heck won't be lacking in motivation then. Despite Muller's serving power, Raonic broke Muller yesterday during those 5 games)

Audacity
06-23-2011, 04:47 AM
Muller to rip Nadal a new one.

Xristos
06-23-2011, 04:51 AM
Rafa in 3.

n8
06-23-2011, 05:04 AM
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

Er. In that case Muller will be 1-1, Federer will be 2-2 and Srichaphan will be 1-0. Srichaphan beat 17 and 1 month old Nadal in the 3rd round in 2003, the only player to beat Nadal in straight sets at Wimbledon. :worship:

Topspindoctor
06-23-2011, 05:11 AM
I think Muller is good enough to beat Rafa in straight sets. Will he? Probably not. As I have said in the past, Rafa won't be in my top 10 today even if he wins all the slams, wins all the tournaments, and goes undefeated for the rest of his career. You can't be #1 in tennis when you don't play tennis.

Good thing no one gives a shit what some armchair analyst posting from his parents' basement thinks about Nadal and whether he plays tennis or not.

FerrerAndNadal
06-23-2011, 05:29 AM
Rafa in 3, Should be routine. Vamos Rafa

Hewitt =Legend
06-23-2011, 05:49 AM
How could you forget the Gooch? :shrug:

In my humbled opinion, the Gooch is being way to generous in losing on purpose in qualifying matches so that the very realistic prospect of him embarrassing Nadal again doesn't come to fruition.

Topspin Forehand
06-23-2011, 06:05 AM
Nadal in 3. Revenge is sweet. Muller was so wrong about his predictions. lol Calling Nadal a claycourter. lol

Geo
06-23-2011, 09:24 AM
Mueller might give Nadal 1 or 2 tough sets, but I highly doubt he'd be consistent enough to even win a set :shrug: Nadal should win in 3 sets.

BULLZ1LLA
06-23-2011, 09:43 AM
(Raonic broke Muller in the 5 games they played so that makes me doubt the industructability of Muller's serve)

Super Djoker
06-23-2011, 10:19 AM
He,ll get Mullerd!

Jaz
06-23-2011, 10:47 AM
Will Nadal be Mullered?!

BULLZ1LLA
06-23-2011, 11:49 AM
(If Federer is praying for a miracle at Wimbledon then this match would probably be it, because I don't see any player in this draw capable of beating Federer apart from Rafa, and after what happened last year at Wimbledon it's really hard to believe Murray or Berdych can beat Rafa)

GSMnadal
06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
three times 6-4 for Rafa, routine job.

BULLZ1LLA
06-23-2011, 09:12 PM
(RafaMuller is 3rd match on Court One, after SharapovaRobson and WilliamsSanchez, haha outdoors rules)

shiaben
06-23-2011, 09:16 PM
Rafa in 3 sets (one will be tiebreak).

RIboy
06-23-2011, 09:18 PM
4,5 and 2 :zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

TMJordan
06-23-2011, 10:04 PM
Muller wins

Mungo
06-23-2011, 10:40 PM
Match will be played outdoors. Court 1. Good for the game. Murray-Ljubicic played on indoor grass might bite the organisers' a$$!

Topspin Forehand
06-23-2011, 11:07 PM
Match will be played outdoors. Court 1. Good for the game. Murray-Ljubicic played on indoor grass might bite the organisers' a$$!
Court 1 is faster. Will help Muller.

Fedex
06-24-2011, 12:53 AM
when rafa beats fed in the final, muller will have the best record against rafa at wimbly :haha:

That's a nice fantasy to have.

Except for the fact that Federer will move to 3-1 against Nadal at Wimbledon after this tournament has concluded.

Fedex
06-24-2011, 01:05 AM
I think people are confusing the fact that Raonic was a huge threat with the fact that Muller is no threat at all. That was not at all what the intelligenstia here like me or careergrandslam were saying. We were just pointing out how big a problem BIG SERVERS would be to ANYBODY in the first week of a tournament. Yes, I initially favored Raonic slightly more to be a bigger challenge, but never expected at that time that Muller would come through so fresh (after the unfortunate incidence). But as it stands now, Fresh Muller = As big a threat as Raonic if not more = Huge threat for Anyone = Toughest 3rd round for Anyone.
a tougher third round opponent than Nalbandian? Come on man, even you don't believe that.

fast_clay
06-24-2011, 01:25 AM
nadal is about to get Mullered

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 01:50 AM
That's a nice fantasy to have.

Except for the fact that Federer will move to 3-1 against Nadal at Wimbledon after this tournament has concluded.

(Fed better move to 3-1, because a lot of people are saying that Federer this week is looking better than ever [and also that Federer's RG performance was his greatest RG form ever], so if Rafa beat prime Fed on grass it would end the GOAT debate)

anticaria
06-24-2011, 01:21 PM
(HOUSEHOLD HARMONY

The parents of Rafael Nadal – Ana Maria and Sebastian – are back together after they separated two years ago. They appeared side by side in the Royal Box for Rafael’s opening-round win on Monday and an impeccable source has confirmed that they have indeed reunited.

Their split before the 2009 French Open, when Rafael was upset by Robin Soderling in the round-of-16, had a devastating effect on him. In fact, a member of his inner circle once claimed that the break-up was a bigger factor in his loss to Soderling than the tendonitis problem he had in both knees, a problem that kept him out of tennis for two months.

The good news can only have a positive effect on the world No. 1’s game going forward)


i agree.. that's great news indeed!! rafa's family circle is extremely closeknit.. hence the kryptonite-like effects of any marital conflict his parents go through naturally impact rafa's approach/confidence/attitude and that's undeniable.. hopefully they'll stay together and provide the kind of parental/home stability rafa needs to totally focus on tennis and do what he does best.. btw, i always suspected his parents' separation in '09 had a monumentally adverse effect on rafa's psyche that summer.. his mind just wasn't on tennis and it showed.. :confused:

anticaria
06-24-2011, 01:39 PM
That's a nice fantasy to have.

Except for the fact that Federer will move to 3-1 against Nadal at Wimbledon after this tournament has concluded.


that's a mighty ballsy prediction coming from a fan of a soon-to-be-30-year-old who still trails rafa by the staggering tune of 8:17 lifetime and 2:6 in slam finals, and whose only h2h edge over rafa is a razor-thin 2:1 lead on grass.. :eek:

yet suddenly we're supposed to simply disregard the incredible domination rafa's inflicted on the swiss, including that painful defeat in the '08 wimbledon final -a match many already regard as the greatest of all time- and merely assume roger's somehow got rafa's number on grass.. :rolleyes:

makesmewonder
06-24-2011, 01:46 PM
I hope it will be a quick game. I need to go out :P

TMJordan
06-24-2011, 02:15 PM
I hope it will be a quick game. I need to go out :P

Agreed. Lets hope Muller gets it done in 3.

careergrandslam
06-24-2011, 04:50 PM
nadal is finished

Tom Paulman
06-24-2011, 04:52 PM
Muller has wasted huge chances in the 1st set and I expect him to perform poorly in the next sets because of that

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 04:55 PM
Court 1 is faster. Will help Muller.

so true, is that the fastest of all courts or what? it looks lightening quick......

djwebby
06-24-2011, 04:55 PM
Same old rubbish outside the top four.

Langers
06-24-2011, 04:56 PM
Muller serving too big, if Rafa is injured, might not take long to finish.

Sophocles
06-24-2011, 04:57 PM
Nadull struggling against a washed-up journeyman. This clown would never have won a grass tournament in any half-decent era.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 04:58 PM
What an idiot this Muller . Nobody didn't expect from him even to make it close and then that huge choke . Standard pig matches, torturing pussies. Also good alibi call with injury time from Rafa in case if Muller finds a couple of balls in paints . Nice to see Nadal still strong in cheating . Vamos

guga2120
06-24-2011, 04:58 PM
Hopefully its not that right knee. If it is he is trouble.

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 04:58 PM
Muller serving too big, if Rafa is injured, might not take long to finish.

(Brilliant 1st set, most entertaining of the year :yeah:)

Harmless
06-24-2011, 05:01 PM
Does anyone know if this is likely to continue today?

MIMIC
06-24-2011, 05:02 PM
I hear that a commentator said that Nadal is injured (????) How is that possible? Yes, he slipped but he got up and still finished the tiebreak and looked to be able to shake it off rather well. Is anyone else hearing the same thing?

TMJordan
06-24-2011, 05:04 PM
Nadull struggling against a washed-up journeyman.
HOW DARE YOU

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-24-2011, 05:04 PM
I hope Rafa is completely healthy :hug:

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 05:06 PM
I hope Rafa is completely healthy :hug:

No worry. Except honesty everything is fine always

tennizen
06-24-2011, 05:07 PM
Apparently Rafito called for the trainer before the slip up so that's not the reason.

Harmless
06-24-2011, 05:08 PM
I hear that a commentator said that Nadal is injured (????) How is that possible? Yes, he slipped but he got up and still finished the tiebreak and looked to be able to shake it off rather well. Is anyone else hearing the same thing?
I think they're only assuming that because he had taken an injury time-out. He did slip but it didn't seem that bad at all.

HOW DARE YOU
MTE :lol:

TMJordan
06-24-2011, 05:08 PM
Well of course the luck of the nadal will have this match moved to tommorow.

Gilles had that first set! :( :( :(

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 05:09 PM
Apparently Rafito called for the trainer before the slip up so that's not the reason.

normally. He did it immediately when he saw that the set will be close

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:11 PM
Nadull struggling against a washed-up journeyman. This clown would never have won a grass tournament in any half-decent era.

correct......mannarino seemed to have served 10 times better than that washed up journeyman.......

Sophocles
06-24-2011, 05:12 PM
HOW DARE YOU

I didn't say he wasn't talented.

MIMIC
06-24-2011, 05:12 PM
Apparently Rafito called for the trainer before the slip up so that's not the reason.

Really? :haha:

If true then :rolleyes: Can anyone else confirm this?

Nathaliia
06-24-2011, 05:12 PM
Sad that Muller was unable to close the set when so close to it. I agree Rafa would score a casual early exit at Wimbledon in the 90s or even now if the grass was actually as quick as it should be (proof: his last loss to Muller)

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 05:12 PM
What is Muller's ranking?

Langers
06-24-2011, 05:14 PM
Sad that Muller was unable to close the set when so close to it. I agree Rafa would score a casual early exit at Wimbledon in the 90s or even now if the grass was actually as quick as it should be (proof: his last loss to Muller)
When Nadal was how old, and with how much experience on grass? :haha: Amazing.

FormerRafaFan
06-24-2011, 05:14 PM
Rafa always play sh!tty in the early rounds. I'm actually surprised he didn't lose a set before this match. I think (and hope) Rafa can come back, but honestly.. I'm not sure, and yeah, as a fan, I am worried.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 05:16 PM
You don't need to compare a lot . Just take Goran like an example . Also lefty like Muller just with every shot much better and everything is clear . Actually doesn't need to be a faster grass

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 05:17 PM
Rafa always play sh!tty in the early rounds. I'm actually surprised he didn't lose a set before this match. I think (and hope) Rafa can come back, but honestly.. I'm not sure, and yeah, as a fan, I am worried.

(Come back from what? He called that injury timeout before the slip, so probably just another strapping adjustment or something)

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-24-2011, 05:17 PM
This match is a great example what Becker, Edberg, Stich, Sampras, Krajicek, Ivanisevic ... would have done to the pig even on this slow grass . Maybe this helps to his blind lovers to appreciate mugs and be grateful because kids for 20-30 years won't know what kind of players he had to deal with

Rafa already played with Federer on grass and beat him. Rafa won Wimbledon 2 times. How many wim. do you have? Why is your smart understanding of tennis failed to make you a wimbledon champ?
I see what many people are doing including reporters, they are putting doubts in Rafa's head because they think they have the right to decide who should be a wim. champ and who is not. I have to tell you it doesn't matter at all. Even if Rafa retires this minute, he is going to be remembered as one of the best tennis players of all times. And your opinion doesn't matter since you have zero grand slams. You are nothing compared to Nadal and you are lucky you have an internet access to post your invaluable opinions. 20 years ago, you would still be watching tennis from your room desperately hoping that Nadal would fail. The only difference is that you wouldn't have an internet access. What you have is a cable and a keyboard not a trophy. You are not allowed to decide if Nadal should win on grass or not. If you don't like it that much, go ahead and play with him or shut up and respect the champ you would dream to have 1/400 of what he has.

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:17 PM
Sad that Muller was unable to close the set when so close to it. I agree Rafa would score a casual early exit at Wimbledon in the 90s or even now if the grass was actually as quick as it should be (proof: his last loss to Muller)

garbage......nadal has proved that he is the best at adaptability.......they have written him off on surfaces outside clay and he's proved them all wrong......

concluding on one or two occasional matches where he gets to play big servers on fast grass(mind you he's still coming through) is always foolish......further nonsense that you actually take his 2005 match and claim like that......

it's a different story if he gets to play every match on a fast court, history suggests he would adapt to that being the best in that regard......

Harmless
06-24-2011, 05:17 PM
correct......mannarino seemed to have served 10 times better than that washed up journeyman.......
With a whopping 59% first serves in?

careergrandslam
06-24-2011, 05:18 PM
When Nadal was how old, and with how much experience on grass? :haha: Amazing.

u said in the commentary thread that the aussie commentators were talking shit about nadal.
what did those guys say?
what are the names of the guys that are commentating the match?

anticaria
06-24-2011, 05:22 PM
Nadull struggling against a washed-up journeyman. This clown would never have won a grass tournament in any half-decent era.


at least rafa actually won the opening set and will likely win this in straights.. btw, can you tell us who won the opening set when federer played that other 'journeyman' alejandro falla in the 1st round last year? in fact, please tell us who was down 2 sets to none in that match.. :wavey:

Ravel
06-24-2011, 05:24 PM
well, I saw the spill and I'm sure the trainer was after that since I posted about the spill before any mention of the trainer on the livescore thread

He fell going to his left, his left foot slipped, and he landed on his knees.

Manequin75
06-24-2011, 05:24 PM
when someone serves 86% % first serve and with that speed and placement you just have to patiently wait for your chances and keep calm. Muller had two set points on Rafa's serve and then had chances in the tie-break. He couldnt take them as he isn't a clutch elite player. But on grass it is quite possible for a guy with a great serve serving high first serve % to cause an upset.

Will muller continue serving at 85%+ or will his level drop to a lower but still very respectable 60-65%. If that happens Rafa will get more chances and he has to play with calm and wait for Muller's serving to dip. I dont know how many of you actually play tennis but as a player the most frustrating thing is to come across a player who is serving lights out and you can barely touch his serve and just keep walking left and right. You feel like a fool. The lesser player (maybe like me) will show frustration and errors wil creep up in other ares of my game as i will try extra hard to match that power. Been there done that and I can really relate to rafa here and hats off to his patience and complete control. Its not easy. Lets hope Rafa pulls this one out :)

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 05:24 PM
What happened? I missed the match from 2:2. I had to go out for a while. What happened exactly? When did he get this time out? After the first set or before that?

(The timeout had nothing to do with the slip, because he called it long before he slipped)

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:25 PM
With a whopping 59% first serves in?

yes, as you saw those 59% hardly came back and federina had a miserable time returning those bomb serves.......

too bad that even mannarino's thunderous groundstrokes always found the net, otherwise they were solid groundshots with tremendous finishing power like del potro's.......

FerrerAndNadal
06-24-2011, 05:27 PM
Rafa already played with Federer on grass and beat him. Rafa won Wimbledon 2 times. How many wim. do you have? Why is your smart understanding of tennis failed to make you a wimbledon champ?
I see what many people are doing including reporters, they are putting doubts in Rafa's head because they think they have the right to decide who should be a wim. champ and who is not. I have to tell you it doesn't matter at all. Even if Rafa retires this minute, he is going to be remembered as one of the best tennis players of all times. And your opinion doesn't matter since you have zero grand slams. You are nothing compared to Nadal and you are lucky you have an internet access to post your invaluable opinions. 20 years ago, you would still be watching tennis from your room desperately hoping that Nadal would fail. The only difference is that you wouldn't have an internet access. What you have is a cable and a keyboard not a trophy. You are not allowed to decide if Nadal should win on grass or not. If you don't like it that much, go ahead and play with him or shut up and respect the champ you would dream to have 1/400 of what he has.

Great post +1

Langers
06-24-2011, 05:28 PM
u said in the commentary thread that the aussie commentators were talking shit about nadal.
what did those guys say?
what are the names of the guys that are commentating the match?
Wally Massur and Josh Eagle. Absolute clowns. Here are some examples:

Muller hits a ball 5 metres out: "Don't mind that at all, perfect. Down 30-0, no poing wearing yourself out, if it goes in good, if not no worries. Tactially Muller has been spot on".

6-5 on serve: "He's got the world #1 on the ropes".

"Big Gilles Muller, COME ON SON!".

Laughable.

Foxy
06-24-2011, 05:28 PM
(The timeout had nothing to do with the slip, because he called it long before he slipped)

Man, I was out. When did he receive the treatment I care? Was it after the first set or at what result? Any details will be appreciated. And I don't care about any slip at the moment.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 05:28 PM
u leave her alone bro.....:fiery:

no worry bro ... probably everyone leaving her alone

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 05:30 PM
This site is entertaining, huge arguing and threats :clap2:

Hian-GOAT
06-24-2011, 05:31 PM
Muller is the name of a yogurt in Italy :hysteric:
Beat Nadull my yogurt :bowdown:

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 05:31 PM
Man, I was out. When did he receive the treatment I care? Was it after the first set or at what result? Any details will be appreciated. And I don't care about any slip at the moment.

(He notified the umpire that he'd like to see a trainer I think at 5-5. And then during the next game he slipped over and then went on to win the set in a tie-breaker and then went off court to see the trainer and then it rained. There was never a trainer on court)

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:32 PM
Rafa already played with Federer on grass and beat him. Rafa won Wimbledon 2 times. How many wim. do you have? Why is your smart understanding of tennis failed to make you a wimbledon champ?
I see what many people are doing including reporters, they are putting doubts in Rafa's head because they think they have the right to decide who should be a wim. champ and who is not. I have to tell you it doesn't matter at all. Even if Rafa retires this minute, he is going to be remembered as one of the best tennis players of all times. And your opinion doesn't matter since you have zero grand slams. You are nothing compared to Nadal and you are lucky you have an internet access to post your invaluable opinions. 20 years ago, you would still be watching tennis from your room desperately hoping that Nadal would fail. The only difference is that you wouldn't have an internet access. What you have is a cable and a keyboard not a trophy. You are not allowed to decide if Nadal should win on grass or not. If you don't like it that much, go ahead and play with him or shut up and respect the champ you would dream to have 1/400 of what he has.

pwned! :haha: :haha:

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 05:32 PM
This site is entertaining, huge arguing and threats :clap2:

yeah. careergrandslam is probably the most dangerous . he is eating napalm and shitting fire . be careful on him

Harmless
06-24-2011, 05:34 PM
yes, as you saw those 59% hardly came back and federina had a miserable time returning those bomb serves.......

too bad that even mannarino's thunderous groundstrokes always found the net, otherwise they were solid groundshots with tremendous finishing power like del potro's.......
Hey, I'm not putting down Mannarino. :shrug:
Though you seem to be failing at tarding hard when you imply that Fed brushed off the superior-serving Mannarino 62, while Rafa struggled with the completely inconsequential Muller serve at 76. :rolleyes:

careergrandslam
06-24-2011, 05:35 PM
Wally Massur and Josh Eagle. Absolute clowns. Here are some examples:

Muller hits a ball 5 metres out: "Don't mind that at all, perfect. Down 30-0, no poing wearing yourself out, if it goes in good, if not no worries. Tactially Muller has been spot on".

6-5 on serve: "He's got the world #1 on the ropes".

"Big Gilles Muller, COME ON SON!".
Laughable.

:lol:

i bet this quote was not by wally masur. probably that josh eagle guy.
wally masur actually likes nadal in a weird way, but he is a hardcore federer fan.
not sure about that josh eagle guy, never heard of him.

one of the worst is that ginger tool mark woodforde, i have my stream of mute when that tool is talking, always finding negative things about rafa and rafa's game.

wally is an interesting guy, he loves rafa one minute and talks negative things about rafa another minute. i think even he doesnt know whether to like or dislike rafa. funny guy though.

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:36 PM
I have never said that my life will worth nothing. Even my dead body worths more than 800 years of you living on the planet. It is pathetic from you to attack me cause I support Nadal. That's just pathetic. Do any thing useful in your life instead of attacking a champ and his fans 24/7.

well said again......some level of disliking is understandable but they seem to live only to hate nadal......that is outright pathetic and they hate nadal for the only reason that he owns their god which is even more pathetic......

Foxy
06-24-2011, 05:36 PM
(He notified the umpire that he'd like to see a trainer I think at 5-5. And then during the next game he slipped over and then went on to win the set in a tie-breaker and then went off court to see the trainer and then it rained. There was never a trainer on court)

That is more like it. But it does not add up well as to why did he call a trainer at 5:5 and went to see him after the TB and not at 6:5? :shrug:

FerrerAndNadal
06-24-2011, 05:36 PM
Whenever he sees the trainer off court it's usually bad news. :bigcry: It seems like whenever Rafa is playing well in a slam he gets injured like in Australia this year. Whenever he's don on his luck he'll win the slam. I hope he proves me wrong and comes back wither today or tomorrow and wins handily.

Pirata.
06-24-2011, 05:38 PM
yes, as you saw those 59% hardly came back and federina had a miserable time returning those bomb serves.......

too bad that even mannarino's thunderous groundstrokes always found the net, otherwise they were solid groundshots with tremendous finishing power like del potro's.......

:haha:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

_Chaz
06-24-2011, 05:38 PM
Guys, don't worry, Nadal isn't injured! I guess we know him long enough that he'll be fit tomorrow and beat Muller in straights probably.

But now you have an excuse already when he doesn't win the tournament :haha:

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 05:39 PM
Whenever he sees the trainer off court it's usually bad news. :cry: It seems like whenever Rafa is playing well in a slam he gets injured like in Australia this year. Whenever he's don on his luck he'll win the slam. I hope he proves me wrong and comes back wither today or tomorrow and wins handily.

Nadal is fine.

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 05:39 PM
That is more like it. But it does not add up well as to why did he call a trainer at 5:5 and went to see him after the TB and not at 6:5? :shrug:

(Most likely he told the umpire that he wanted to see the trainer after the set, that'd make the most sense considering he didn't want to see the trainer at the change of ends. That shows it wasn't a serious thing, because he knew he could complete the set with it)

scarecrows
06-24-2011, 05:42 PM
Whenever he sees the trainer off court it's usually bad news. :bigcry: It seems like whenever Rafa is playing well in a slam he gets injured like in Australia this year. Whenever he's don on his luck he'll win the slam. I hope he proves me wrong and comes back wither today or tomorrow and wins handily.

nadal sees the trainer once every 3-4 matches

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:43 PM
That is more like it. But it does not add up well as to why did he call a trainer at 5:5 and went to see him after the TB and not at 6:5? :shrug:

i think it's somewhat worrying at this moment, foxy......that bad slip did not look good......hopefully it's nothing dangerous......

careergrandslam
06-24-2011, 05:44 PM
i think its best for nadal to rest today and play tomorrow if he is injured.
he has sunday off anyway.

TheRafaelNadal
06-24-2011, 05:44 PM
people complain about a "free sunday" during wimbledon, well now you can see why. So much damn Rain.

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 05:48 PM
pwned! :haha: :haha:





:lol: ur on fire.

this bolded part sums up all the haters in this thread.

don't know what type of humor with your virtual friends both of you are using but if that was owning then I am giving up with you . Or both of you just want to be nice with her to say your parents that you finally meet a girl of your life , no matter if it is virtual ? It's good for the start

Langers
06-24-2011, 05:48 PM
:lol:

i bet this quote was not by wally masur. probably that josh eagle guy.
wally masur actually likes nadal in a weird way, but he is a hardcore federer fan.
not sure about that josh eagle guy, never heard of him.

one of the worst is that ginger tool mark woodforde, i have my stream of mute when that tool is talking, always finding negative things about rafa and rafa's game.

wally is an interesting guy, he loves rafa one minute and talks negative things about rafa another minute. i think even he doesnt know whether to like or dislike rafa. funny guy though.
Yep, it was Eagle. They're all Federer fanboys, it's digusting. Every single match, doesn't matter who is playing, ATP or WTA, Federer will work his way into the discussion at least a couple of times.

Tood Woodbridge is almost as bad as his buddy Mark. They're the biggest Federer fans around.

Some more quotes from these two tonight:

Missed another ball by metres: "That's the shot though, that's exactly what he's got to do".
"First point, second serve, this is exactly what he wanted". Eagle excitedly ads, "Ohh he'll be looking for a forehand here!".

samanosuke
06-24-2011, 05:49 PM
nadal sees the trainer once every 3-4 matches

don't overreact. just in the case of close one

Pirata.
06-24-2011, 05:50 PM
NID Nadal calls the trainer when he's in a tight match. They should restrict MTO for between sets. Absurd to get a MTO to get toe bandages fixed. Do that yourself during the changeover.

Disgraceful from all players who use these tactics.

Stefanos13
06-24-2011, 05:50 PM
i think it's somewhat worrying at this moment, foxy......that bad slip did not look good......hopefully it's nothing dangerous......

He had called the trainer before he slipped. The slip was a minor fall and got up and carried on straight away

Sapeod
06-24-2011, 05:52 PM
Nadal will rout this clown. 6-3 6-2 6-2. Who the fuck is Muller anyway?
Muller is the guy who has so far taken Nadal to a tiebreak in the first set, and barely lost it.

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:52 PM
He had called the trainer before he slipped. The slip was a minor fall and got up and carried on straight away

i wish you are right......

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 05:53 PM
(He played better after the slip. This is probably something like he had a stomach ache where you have at toilet break and take a pill. Or its something like when he had his ankle-strapping changed in round one vs Russell. Could be anything, but its nothing to do with the fall)

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 05:58 PM
NID Nadal calls the trainer when he's in a tight match. They should restrict MTO for between sets. Absurd to get a MTO to get toe bandages fixed. Do that yourself during the changeover.

Disgraceful from all players who use these tactics.

which sport is that you are watching and mistaking it for tennis? his style is physical and he is prone to injuries all the time......he is also carrying with him a permanent case of knee tendinitis which could flare up any time at any moment......

he called the trainer even when he was in winning positions numerous times in the past......stop clowning around with cheap shots and continue crying for the reason that he beats your god all the time......

careergrandslam
06-24-2011, 06:00 PM
Yep, it was Eagle. They're all Federer fanboys, it's digusting. Every single match, doesn't matter who is playing, ATP or WTA, Federer will work his way into the discussion at least a couple of times.

Tood Woodbridge is almost as bad as his buddy Mark. They're the biggest Federer fans around.

Some more quotes from these two tonight:

Missed another ball by metres: "That's the shot though, that's exactly what he's got to do".
"First point, second serve, this is exactly what he wanted". Eagle excitedly ads, "Ohh he'll be looking for a forehand here!".

:haha:

they want rafa out of the tournament because they know he is gaining on federer's slam record and federer's best chance to win the title is if nadal is out of the tournament.

they also dont want rafa to win on grass because they still live by the stereotypical spaniards should only be able to play on clay.

this is not only in aussie commentary, it the same in british commentary, american commentary, french commentary.
all fedtards in those commentary boxes, hoping someone beats nadal.

they think that rafa having 10 slams including the career slam is an abomination to classical old school style of tennis.

reasons all these guys hate rafa is due to:
1) they love federer
2) stereotypical mindset on spaniards
3) not a classical style of game

:haha: its funny though, rafa is shutting these doubters and haters up with his racket.
rafa is the man for that :worship:

Aenea
06-24-2011, 06:07 PM
Obviously match has been cancelled

19:03: No more play? Reading between the lines, the announcement of tomorrow’s order of play including Nadal on Court 1 means that we will probably have no more play bar the Centre Court today.

19:02: Super Saturday Order of play in for tomorrow’s. Centre is: Wozniacki v Gajdosova, Federer v Nalbandian, Djokovic v Baghdatis. Also on Court 1: Nadal v Muller, Serena v Kirilenko, Soderling v Tomic.

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/log/20110624.html

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 06:08 PM
If Nadal wins +16 slams then he has earned them, nothing comes free. Not a fan of his playing style, but i respect his achievements.

Harmless
06-24-2011, 06:10 PM
It would be really cool if this thread started being about today's match and not an "I love/hate Rafa" thread. Are you select few even familiar with the basic elements of match analysis? :facepalm:

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 06:10 PM
(
17:40: Nadal injury! Rafa takes an injury timeout. He ran off court shirtless to the locker room so I’m not entirely sure what the problem is. Over on 2, Simon had a 4-2 second set lead over Del Potro.

Doesn't sound serious)

FerrerAndNadal
06-24-2011, 06:13 PM
NID Nadal calls the trainer when he's in a tight match. They should restrict MTO for between sets. Absurd to get a MTO to get toe bandages fixed. Do that yourself during the changeover.

Disgraceful from all players who use these tactics.

You sure it's only toe bandages?

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 06:14 PM
It would be really cool if this thread started being about today's match and not an "I love/hate Rafa" thread. Are you select few even familiar with the basic elements of match analysis? :facepalm:

But they always go there, Roger is better, no he is not! Rafa is better! they are goats bla bla etc...

tribalfusion
06-24-2011, 06:22 PM
Rafa already played with Federer on grass and beat him. Rafa won Wimbledon 2 times. How many wim. do you have? Why is your smart understanding of tennis failed to make you a wimbledon champ?
I see what many people are doing including reporters, they are putting doubts in Rafa's head because they think they have the right to decide who should be a wim. champ and who is not. I have to tell you it doesn't matter at all. Even if Rafa retires this minute, he is going to be remembered as one of the best tennis players of all times. And your opinion doesn't matter since you have zero grand slams. You are nothing compared to Nadal and you are lucky you have an internet access to post your invaluable opinions. 20 years ago, you would still be watching tennis from your room desperately hoping that Nadal would fail. The only difference is that you wouldn't have an internet access. What you have is a cable and a keyboard not a trophy. You are not allowed to decide if Nadal should win on grass or not. If you don't like it that much, go ahead and play with him or shut up and respect the champ you would dream to have 1/400 of what he has.

Right on.

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 06:25 PM
why the hell is that useless woman wozniacki on centre court?
i hate that woman.

they dont want to put nadal on centre, what if it rain 2morow?

someone get rid of wozniacki from the number 1 ranking. cannot stand that woman.

thankfully that stupid 'middle sunday off' is coming to some use finally after all these years......it will protect the defending champion from any possible tiredness from continuous play tomorrow.......i think rafa will have enough time tomorrow to finish off muller and come fresh on monday to take care of simon or del potro.......

all we should be concerned about for now is that bad slip he had minutes before the end of first set......he grimaced after winning the immediate point after the fall......hopefully nothing's serious......

i like bullzilla's optimism here......

Hian-GOAT
06-24-2011, 06:26 PM
Vamos Yogurt :rocker:

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 06:26 PM
(London weather forecast says hot weather for next 2 days and then thunderstorms on monday)

surely they are not going to schedule the defending champion on court 1 again.......

BULLZ1LLA
06-24-2011, 06:58 PM
(A poster on another tennis forum said:

"By the way, shortly after they all went off court, Benito tweeted to someone that all was well, they were just waiting now, so that appears to be good news about Rafa's injury.")

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 07:06 PM
(A poster on another tennis forum said:

"By the way, shortly after they all went off court, Benito tweeted to someone that all was well, they were just waiting now, so that appears to be good news about Rafa's injury.")

thanks for the good news......

Surcouf
06-24-2011, 07:32 PM
Muller made it close only to unreal serving statistics.

The grass is so fast that a players serving at 90% of first set will always bring you to a tie break. Nadal did a good job not breaking down mentaly in that first set unlike his match against Haase last year.

Nadal is unlucky to meet players serving the best they ever do against him at Wimbledon. But he still can overcome them.

Muller has NOTHING but his serve. He even tries the ace on second ball.

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 08:03 PM
Owned in net by unknown person, what a victory :rolleyes:

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 08:39 PM
Instead of talking about Roger in such a high percentage of your posts including in Nadal threads which is where I always see them, why is it that you don't seem to comment much instead on the huge Nadal hater presence here which leads to the inevitable responses from his actual fans?

Just curious.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11142342#post11142342

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11129873#post11129873

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11129864#post11129864

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11115724#post11115724

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11107596#post11107596

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11106698#post11106698

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11098061#post11098061

And I'm too lazy to keep searching for more :lol:

TBH: there are very few "real" Rafa fans in this forum, a lot of people seem to be either a Fedhater or a complete tard, so... :o

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 08:42 PM
yeah ignore the post i was quoting about nadal... and say to yourself that you're a neutral fan, imbecil

Rafa would have succeed in any era due to his mentality, maybe he would have had a harder time with wooden rackets and no synthetic strings but he would have found a way to win, he wouldn't play the way he does now but he would still be a champion :shrug:

flexeter
06-24-2011, 08:44 PM
Anyway, Muller had his chances in the first set, it's a pity he didn't use them well. The Doublefault in TB had horrible timing. Looking forward to the rest of the match. Go Gilles, make yo fans proud! We won't be mad when you lose, just give your best, Nadal is vulnerable, but still a beast.

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 08:46 PM
TBH: there are very few "real" Rafa fans in this forum, everyone seem to be either a Fedhater or a complete tard, so... :o

TBH: i see that you are right up there with the nadal haters......i can't think of any other reason for you to good rep downright nadalhaters like abraxas, samanopuke etc......you never show any sign of anger when the blind breed keeps making fun of nadal, instead you good rep them......

let me rephrase your statement: there are very few "real" fed fans on the forum, everyone seems to be blind worshiping fed and hating nadal to the extreme through different approaches......your "fedal" approach is one such thing......

Kiedis
06-24-2011, 08:48 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11142342#post11142342

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11129873#post11129873

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11129864#post11129864

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11115724#post11115724

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11107596#post11107596

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11106698#post11106698

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=11098061#post11098061

And I'm too lazy to keep searching for more :lol:

TBH: there are very few "real" Rafa fans in this forum, everyone seem to be either a Fedhater or a complete tard, so... :o

Let me comment as a lurker. Allegedly you're a fan of both players, but curiously you only get angry when one of them is attacked. Yes, I also think your attitude a little strange.

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 08:50 PM
good rep? :haha: :spit: :spit: dear God, I've had my share of dissagreements with Abraxas in this last month alone

and no: I don't blindly worship Roger: I call him Shankerer, idiot, I laugh at him when he's playing like crap, etc

For the record: I don't waste my life hating a player, that's just childish unlike you who will find any way to diminish Roger's accomplishments because you hate the guy with a passion and can't stand the fact that he's got many many records.

Grow up and stop seeing in others what you truly are: a blind tard who calls his player a god and who hates his main rival and the player that has made Rafa the best.

Rafa admires Roger because they both love tennis and are the best, is as simple as that.

And for Kiedis, search my posts and you will see tons of facepalms directed to the likes of Max_Power and other notorious Rafahaters ;)

(I'm too lazy to do so right now)

tribalfusion
06-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Let me comment as a lurker. Allegedly you're a fan of both players, but curiously you only get angry when one of them is attacked. Yes, I also think your attitude a little strange.

Exactly.

I am not going to waste my time compiling a much longer list to illustrate precisely your point (and mine) as I have lost track of how many times I have seen him do it.

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 08:57 PM
It's her and well, you're wrong ;)

tribalfusion
06-24-2011, 08:58 PM
It's her and well, you're wrong ;)

My apologies for the gender but not for the substance which seems pretty obvious.

Kiedis
06-24-2011, 09:01 PM
And for Kiedis, search my posts and you will see tons of facepalms directed to the likes of Max_Power and other notorious Rafahaters ;)

(I'm too lazy to do so right now)

I have not seen any of them, but if I saw half a dozen post in to show your displeasure with negative comments about Federer. Well, this a Nadal thread and the present discussion has been initiated for several posts of a dull Fedtard and his mariachis. And you decided to ignore all that and get into the tard war defending only Federer. Who you pretent kidding, maja?

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 09:03 PM
haters will be haters.

It doesn't matter if Rafa wins 4 slams or if he wins 400, they will still call him a terrible tennis player and so on either because they don't like his style or because they have blind allegiance to different players and so on and so forth.



Rafa can win 10 USO, 20 RG, 13 SW19 and people would still call him a moonballer :o

I understand that his style might not be appealing to everyone (after all people have different tastes) but denying the fact that he's a great champion? simply childish

Jamoz
06-24-2011, 09:05 PM
good rep? :haha: :spit: :spit: dear God, I've had my share of dissagreements with Abraxas in this last month alone

and no: I don't blindly worship Roger: I call him Shankerer, idiot, I laugh at him when he's playing like crap, etc

For the record: I don't waste my life hating a player, that's just childish unlike you who will find any way to diminish Roger's accomplishments because you hate the guy with a passion and can't stand the fact that he's got many many records.

Grow up and stop seeing in others what you truly are: a blind tard who calls his player a god and who hates his main rival and the player that has made Rafa the best.

Rafa admires Roger because they both love tennis and are the best, is as simple as that.

And for Kiedis, search my posts and you will see tons of facepalms directed to the likes of Max_Power and other notorious Rafahaters ;)

(I'm too lazy to do so right now)

Good post i agree

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 09:07 PM
It says something about gloryhunting perhaps but not much else.

:lol: in case you are talking about me, this is my first time rooting for the two top players, I used to like Rafter and Corretja before, I am a hardcore fan of a football team who hasn't won anything in the last 25 years and practically all my sports teams are underdogs so no, it doesn't really apply to me, I just like what I like ;)

Start da Game
06-24-2011, 09:09 PM
I have not seen any of them, but if I saw half a dozen post in to show your displeasure with negative comments about Federer. Well, this a Nadal thread and the present discussion has been initiated for several posts of a dull Fedtard and his mariachis. And you decided to ignore all that and get into the tard war defending only Federer. Who you pretent kidding, maja?

exactly this, the pretending is so obvious......

Manequin75
06-24-2011, 09:17 PM
oh yeah one more thing. If anybody entertains even the slightest illusion that Muller could beat Rafito tomorrow pls do yourselves a favor and bet on this match.

The payout for Muller winning is 19.0 (thats 19 times). Payout for Rafito winning is 1.02 (so in simple english $100 bet on Muller victory wins you $1800 while betting the same on a Rafa victory wins you only $2 bucks).

So ppl who want to bet against the "Other Greatest Of All Time" this is your chance :)

Oh yeah keep aside some money to bet against him on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday too.

TheRafaelNadal
06-24-2011, 09:24 PM
so many people want Nadal to fail, at least be realistic, he's not going to lose to this mug.

A_Skywalker
06-24-2011, 09:29 PM
so many people want Nadal to fail, at least be realistic, he's not going to lose to this mug.

Everytime when there is hope for them Rafa to lose is the same like now. Tomorrow they will jump on the Del Potro bandwagon (if the beats gilles)

Arkulari
06-24-2011, 09:30 PM
Everytime when there is hope for them Rafa to lose is the same like now. Tomorrow they will jump on the Del Potro bandwagon (if the beats gilles)

yes and it is pretty annoying

Filo V.
06-24-2011, 09:52 PM
Rafa got outplayed by Muller and still won the first set. The rain delay came at a good time for Muller, it gives him a chance to restart. Rafa didn't play badly but Muller was taking it to him, but a few errors in the tiebreak cost him.

Muller has to play nearly perfect to win and he didn't do it in the first set, and he's not going to do it for 3-4 more sets. But he did prove he's a legit threat in this match to push Rafa hard.

Titi
06-24-2011, 10:06 PM
Muller's only hope at keeping this close is to continue serving from a tree, highly doubt it's possible for another 2 sets or more.

Rafa to take the next two sets 7-6 6-3, at best for Muller.

FormerRafaFan
06-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Rafa got outplayed by Muller and still won the first set. The rain delay came at a good time for Muller, it gives him a chance to restart. Rafa didn't play badly but Muller was taking it to him, but a few errors in the tiebreak cost him.

Muller has to play nearly perfect to win and he didn't do it in the first set, and he's not going to do it for 3-4 more sets. But he did prove he's a legit threat in this match to push Rafa hard.

You are so full of sh!t it's unbelievable.. do you even believe what you are writing?!?! If so then :help: Lets gets real here.. what is the likelihood that a guy like Muller is going to play perfect, and keep the level up, over three whole sets, against the #1 in the world? I'm not saying it's impossible, just highly unlikely.

Clay Death
06-24-2011, 10:16 PM
i will end this:

muller has ZERO chance. he can serve at 99% and the chance is still ZERO.


end of story.

EliSter
06-24-2011, 10:46 PM
Rafa got outplayed by Muller and still won the first set. The rain delay came at a good time for Muller, it gives him a chance to restart. Rafa didn't play badly but Muller was taking it to him, but a few errors in the tiebreak cost him.

Muller has to play nearly perfect to win and he didn't do it in the first set, and he's not going to do it for 3-4 more sets. But he did prove he's a legit threat in this match to push Rafa hard.

Not rly...Muller serve kept him alive...tho i hope Nadull lose this which i doubt :o

BULLZ1LLA
06-25-2011, 01:20 AM
(I just got some mail on Muller:

Muller beat Roddick at the 2005 US Open, in straight sets [all tiebreaks], in the Round of 128.

Muller got to the quarter finals of the 2008 US Open as a qualifier, beating Haas, Almagro and Davydenko, as well as giving Federer a really tough match)

Topspindoctor
06-25-2011, 01:35 AM
Muller sucks. He should just give the grass King a walkover and save everyone some time. Nobody wants to watch this old mug for 2 more sets.

Stefanos13
06-25-2011, 07:02 AM
Rafa got outplayed by Muller and still won the first set. The rain delay came at a good time for Muller, it gives him a chance to restart. Rafa didn't play badly but Muller was taking it to him, but a few errors in the tiebreak cost him.

Muller has to play nearly perfect to win and he didn't do it in the first set, and he's not going to do it for 3-4 more sets. But he did prove he's a legit threat in this match to push Rafa hard.

Nadal wasn't outplayed by Muller. And he's no threat to Nadal in this match. Muller simply served at a very high percentage (I think 85%) and the majority of serves were unreturnable bullets.

I just hope that Nadal is not injured (he'd called for the trainer BEFORE the fall) and that he only wanted some minor strapping or something.


;)

BULLZ1LLA
06-25-2011, 07:44 AM
(Rafa's Times blog:

Trust my luck rain comes while I am off Centre

Well it had to happen I suppose. First time I don't play on center court this year and rain!

Couldn't finish my match and tomorrow I will resume play during the morning. Not a big deal. if you compare it with other players that had to play two or even three days in a row other years.

We are lucky to play on center court where you have the roof and in my case this time I played on court #1.

Some people are asking if there was a problem with me since I asked for the trainer before the end of the set. It was at the same time as the beginning of the rain and therefore the delay.

I had some issues before even I felt but nothing serious. I should be Ok for tomorrow.

Thanks.

Rafa
)

A_Skywalker
06-25-2011, 08:03 AM
Thanks, this sourts it all out, but again Rafa is unlucky with rain like always. I wonder why it always happen to him (from the favorites, cause Del Potro was definately more unlucky)

buzz
06-25-2011, 08:05 AM
Nadal wasn't outplayed by Muller. And he's no threat to Nadal in this match. Muller simply served at a very high percentage (I think 85%) and the majority of serves were unreturnable bullets.

I just hope that Nadal is not injured (he'd called for the trainer BEFORE the fall) and that he only wanted some minor strapping or something.


;)

If you play one set and get to two setpoints you are/were a thread in my opinion.

Ad Wim
06-25-2011, 09:19 AM
He cheered very much when he won the set, so that should indicate he is okay, but then again, at the AO last year it came quite out of the blue as well...

Let's hope there is nothing serious.

Start da Game
06-25-2011, 09:23 AM
i will end this:

muller has ZERO chance. he can serve at 99% and the chance is still ZERO.


end of story.

concurred hercules.....muller can come out blasting and he will still lose the match.......the class difference is too much between the two......

Ad Wim
06-25-2011, 09:27 AM
A;though he doesn't really say what's the matter.

Stefanos13
06-25-2011, 09:49 AM
If you play one set and get to two setpoints you are/were a thread in my opinion.

setpoints are there to be saved and not use them to declare the guy you had them as the better player :)

In any case, I was saying that Muller is not a threat because Nadal will see through Muller's aces to win the match – whether in 3 sets or more

evilmindbulgaria
06-25-2011, 10:22 AM
setpoints are there to be saved and not use them to declare the guy you had them as the better player :)

In any case, I was saying that Muller is not a threat because Nadal will see through Muller's aces to win the match – whether in 3 sets or more

Very well said :yeah:

BULLZ1LLA
06-25-2011, 11:04 AM
(NADAL had a 45 minute hit-up on court 15 today)

samanosuke
06-25-2011, 11:06 AM
(NADAL had a 45 minute hit-up on court 15 today)

life saving information

BULLZ1LLA
06-25-2011, 11:08 AM
life saving information

(Wally Masur reported it, was he said 45 minute intense hit-up)

samanosuke
06-25-2011, 11:09 AM
(Wally Masur reported it, was he said 45 minute intense hit-up)

God bless Wally

Aenea
06-25-2011, 12:20 PM
life saving information

God bless Wally

pls get out of this thread. Have some dignity and a bit of respect to Nadal's fans who are worried their fav could be injured and are really happy to read that information. Don't make me think you are an absolute asshole who can't have any respect for other people. Stop it, we all understood pretty well you hate Nadal. What you do is too much already.

Corey Feldman
06-25-2011, 12:23 PM
Thanks, this sourts it all out, but again Rafa is unlucky with rain like always. I wonder why it always happen to him (from the favorites, cause Del Potro was definately more unlucky)oh shut up

Ad Wim
06-25-2011, 12:37 PM
(Wally Masur reported it, was he said 45 minute intense hit-up)

But doesn't really mean that he is not injured at all...