Wimbledon R1: [31] Raonic def. [LL] Gicquel 6-3 7-6(3) 6-3 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Wimbledon R1: [31] Raonic def. [LL] Gicquel 6-3 7-6(3) 6-3

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 12:52 PM
Disappointing and pretty disgusting result, but it was over when Marc failed to win the 3-2 point in the second set tiebreak, and then missed an easy forehand at 3-4. The only positive I can see from this is at least Marc's name was in the draw, and he gained 10 extra points for being in the MD.

Shirogane
06-20-2011, 12:53 PM
:yeah:

Ravel
06-20-2011, 12:54 PM
A lucky Loser lost, pretty great result imo.

Next up, Harrison and Bolelli :devil:

swebright
06-20-2011, 12:55 PM
Good job, Milos.

asmazif
06-20-2011, 12:56 PM
what a rubbish end result substitute after the Fog withdrawal.

GrantOz44
06-20-2011, 12:57 PM
Go you good thing!

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 01:01 PM
It would have been better had Marc won, but it doesn't matter much. Marc now has 479 points, and with nothing to defend these next few months, is only one good result from the top 100. He's ditching the grass and back onto clay. Hopefully he wins next weeks' tournament in Braunschweig.

Chris.
06-20-2011, 01:01 PM
Milos :worship: Sold stats.

out_here_grindin
06-20-2011, 01:13 PM
It would have been better had Marc won, but it doesn't matter much. Marc now has 479 points, and with nothing to defend these next few months, is only one good result from the top 100. He's ditching the grass and back onto clay. Hopefully he wins next weeks' tournament in Braunschweig.

It's much better that Raonic won. He is far more dangerous

FormerRafaFan
06-20-2011, 01:16 PM
seemed like his serve was letting him down a bit in the second, but it seemed to be back in the third. Good job, Milos! Good luck in your next match :yeah:

Sham Kay
06-20-2011, 01:17 PM
It would have been better had Marc won, but it doesn't matter much. Marc now has 479 points, and with nothing to defend these next few months, is only one good result from the top 100. He's ditching the grass and back onto clay. Hopefully he wins next weeks' tournament in Braunschweig.
Better for you and Nadal. For sane people however, this is a great result.

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-20-2011, 01:17 PM
It would have been better had Marc won, but it doesn't matter much. Marc now has 479 points, and with nothing to defend these next few months, is only one good result from the top 100. He's ditching the grass and back onto clay. Hopefully he wins next weeks' tournament in Braunschweig.

Stop acting as though you know Gicquel on a first name basis. The guy doesn't take the sport seriously and is on his last legs. He's a noone in the sport. Milos is has a future and is future top20 material.

stop talking shit

Ashlar77
06-20-2011, 01:19 PM
Great result, this one was never in doubt. Congrats on your first Wimbledon victory Milos, first of many to come! :clap2: :yeah:

Chris.
06-20-2011, 01:20 PM
Stop acting as though you know Gicquel on a first name basis. The guy doesn't take the sport seriously and is on his last legs. He's a noone in the sport. Milos is has a future and is future top20 material.

stop talking shit

:worship:

Hewitt =Legend
06-20-2011, 01:25 PM
Flyboy stop crying.

Another game for Milos...

Orka_n
06-20-2011, 01:37 PM
"Disgusting result"? :rolleyes: What are you on? The talent won instead of the old man ranked outside top 100. I'd say tennis won heavily here.

Good stuff, Milos.

Time Violation
06-20-2011, 01:40 PM
Stop acting as though you know Gicquel on a first name basis. The guy doesn't take the sport seriously and is on his last legs. He's a noone in the sport. Milos is has a future and is future top20 material.

stop talking shit

:worship:

ZaZoo)
06-20-2011, 01:46 PM
Milos on a mission to save tennis and reach r4! :worship:

KoOlMaNsEaN
06-20-2011, 01:54 PM
Nice start to a hopefully very successfull Wimbledon :yeah:

TMJordan
06-20-2011, 01:59 PM
Stop acting as though you know Gicquel on a first name basis. The guy doesn't take the sport seriously and is on his last legs. He's a noone in the sport. Milos is has a future and is future top20 material.

stop talking shit

finally a pretty pretty good post by you.

Pirata.
06-20-2011, 02:02 PM
finally a pretty pretty good post by you.

:lol::yeah:

Good for the game, keep going Milos!

barbadosan
06-20-2011, 02:05 PM
Better for you and Nadal. For sane people however, this is a great result.

This - and point made politely :)

barbadosan
06-20-2011, 02:06 PM
Disappointing and pretty disgusting result, but it was over when Marc failed to win the 3-2 point in the second set tiebreak, and then missed an easy forehand at 3-4. The only positive I can see from this is at least Marc's name was in the draw, and he gained 10 extra points for being in the MD.

Seriously Filo? Your head tear? sheesh

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 03:15 PM
Stop acting as though you know Gicquel on a first name basis. The guy doesn't take the sport seriously and is on his last legs. He's a noone in the sport. Milos is has a future and is future top20 material.

stop talking shit

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Puf1IkqhDdo/TKTGOSzIE_I/AAAAAAAAAr4/hJ7uRh8jrg8/s400/0,,10421~3758402,00.jpg

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 03:16 PM
Marc is a more interesting player by FAR in comparison to Raonic. I don't even dislike Milos, but let's get real.

Hope this helps.

madmax
06-20-2011, 03:24 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Puf1IkqhDdo/TKTGOSzIE_I/AAAAAAAAAr4/hJ7uRh8jrg8/s400/0,,10421~3758402,00.jpg

:devil::haha:
Nice to see the biggest fairweather fan of these boards jumping on yet another bandwagon...Raonic is a mug though and he will be no threat to Nadull (if he manages to reach him that is)

Libertango
06-20-2011, 03:27 PM
:tape:

Lopez
06-20-2011, 03:46 PM
Flyboy being bitchy as usual when one of his faves loses. The act was old quite quickly :rolleyes:. You should chill more.

As a lot people have said, this is a way better result considering the tournament as a whole.

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 03:50 PM
I don't really care much about Marc losing, as he has a better tournament to go to next week in Braunschweig. I'm more disappointed than upset, it's not a big deal, he gained points, it was a productive week for him.

But in terms of who is the more entertaining and more interesting player, by a WIDE margin it's Marco Gicquel. As for the tournament as a whole, we'll see if the kid can beat Muller.

Lopez
06-20-2011, 03:55 PM
Gicquel is not more entertaining than Raonic :lol:. Raonic is an up-and-coming youngster with a huge game. Gicquel is and inconsistent, if sometimes entertaining journeyman. Both have a game suited for grass but Milos can do some serious damage while Gicquel can (could?) not. Servefest vs Müller coming up next :yeah:

Sapeod
06-20-2011, 03:58 PM
Stop acting as though you know Gicquel on a first name basis. The guy doesn't take the sport seriously and is on his last legs. He's a noone in the sport. Milos is has a future and is future top20 material.

stop talking shit
As usual, you are correct.

It's a great result. Filo V is just whining as usual.

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 04:43 PM
Seeing the same players over and over and over, is not interesting. The challengers post-grand slams, where a lot of ATP players play as well as challenger guys, are more predictable, more intensity, more on the line, and more interesting. If I want to watch Djokovic, Murray, Roddick etc. again and again, I can watch re-runs.

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 04:47 PM
Gicquel is not more entertaining than Raonic :lol:. Raonic is an up-and-coming youngster with a huge game. Gicquel is and inconsistent, if sometimes entertaining journeyman. Both have a game suited for grass but Milos can do some serious damage while Gicquel can (could?) not. Servefest vs Müller coming up next :yeah:

Servefests aren't interesting, though. Which is why I feel as if it would have been better to see Gicquel win, not including the fact Marc needed the win much more. I love big servers, and big serving is a great talent, but in terms of entertainment, that will be a boring match. Really, Muller's game is also more interesting than Raonic and he's more of a threat to Nadal than Raonic.

Gicquel's speed, returning, shotmaking, and variety can't be matched by Raonic. Raonic is a big serve and whippy forehand, and there are plenty of guys like that around, but not a lot of guys like Gicquel around.

Kat_YYZ
06-20-2011, 09:14 PM
Seeing the same players over and over and over, is not interesting. The challengers post-grand slams, where a lot of ATP players play as well as challenger guys, are more predictable, more intensity, more on the line, and more interesting. If I want to watch Djokovic, Murray, Roddick etc. again and again, I can watch re-runs.

Gicquel's 33 and Milos is 20; I'm sure you've seen Gicquel more often than Milos :shrug: (as you like these "off-the-beaten-path players" so much). Nothing 'good for tennis' would come from this finished old guy taking a spot away from a young guy who needs to learn how to be on the tour and is playing his first Wimbledon. ;)

samanosuke
06-20-2011, 09:21 PM
flyboy on fire these days . crying because semi-retired LL lost to future top player, calling Tursunov a high level shotmaker, usual whining on Bolelli's defeat... not bad , not at all . keep it up mate

Sham Kay
06-20-2011, 09:29 PM
I don't really care much about Marc losing, as he has a better tournament to go to next week in Braunschweig. I'm more disappointed than upset, it's not a big deal, he gained points, it was a productive week for him.

But in terms of who is the more entertaining and more interesting player, by a WIDE margin it's Marco Gicquel. As for the tournament as a whole, we'll see if the kid can beat Muller.
Troll-dar activated.

Filo V.
06-20-2011, 09:36 PM
Most of you have a completely backwards mentality in comparison to me. I think it's actually more important for the guy who doesn't have many more opportunities or doesn't have many chances at all at this level than a guy who will have many more chances. The guy who truly needs it more. That's why I root for upsets.

And, again, I'll reiterate. I prefer watching a high level challenger over green clay and watching the same guys over and over. I guess if you like the watching the same exact match time and time again, you'll like Wimbledon in the second week. As for me, just like the second week of the French, my focus is going to be mostly on the two big challengers.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Fognini is pathetic. Most interesting player hahaha :haha:

green25814
06-20-2011, 10:27 PM
Seeing the same players over and over and over, is not interesting. The challengers post-grand slams, where a lot of ATP players play as well as challenger guys, are more predictable, more intensity, more on the line, and more interesting. If I want to watch Djokovic, Murray, Roddick etc. again and again, I can watch re-runs.

I agree with you there, but on the other hand its important for the younger talents like Raonic to win matches like these so we can see change at the top. No offense to Gicquel, but he's never going anywhere. Raonic might.

Pirata.
06-20-2011, 11:25 PM
flyboy :facepalm:

nellis_lv
06-20-2011, 11:35 PM
Fognini is pathetic. Most interesting player hahaha :haha:
It's funny, when I first started watching the match, I was like "What did Fognini do w/ his hair... he looks totally different!?" :lol:

ibreak4coffee
06-21-2011, 12:18 AM
C'mon Filo - not your best post. You're on record here as saying Milos is more than just serve, now all of sudden he's just a server because he beat one of your guys? Tennis isn't touchy feely - if you're better, you usually win, end of story. Milos did that today. He's not a grass specialist - give credit for his win today, whether or not you like his opponent.

And really - you like so many challenger level players, why so disappointed Gicquel lost? It wasn't like Bolelli didn't dominate today.

Topspindoctor
06-21-2011, 12:22 AM
Hopefully this serve bot loses in the second round. Mugquel couldn't even take a set what a joke. He should stick to challengers not hallowed Wimbledon grass.

Satasonic
06-21-2011, 12:46 AM
Are you serious Topspindoctor? Gicquel is a clown of the highest order, he would NEVER be able to beat anyone except shitty challenger players :rolleyes:

Milos vs. Muller is a serve battle. Nadal should be very afraid of the winner.

Getta
06-21-2011, 12:48 AM
Most of you have a completely backwards mentality in comparison to me. I think it's actually more important for the guy who doesn't have many more opportunities or doesn't have many chances at all at this level than a guy who will have many more chances. The guy who truly needs it more. That's why I root for upsets.

so, you almost never root for Nadal.

Smoke944
06-21-2011, 12:48 AM
I actually completely agree with flyboy on this one. Sure, Raonic is just starting his career at the highest level and already better than Gicquel ever was, but frankly I think Marc is a more interesting player. He is a 34-year-old Tunisian born Frenchman with an entertaining game that, rather impressively, broke into the top-100 for the first time at the age of 29.
Anyways, congrats to Milos on his first win at Wimbledon.

Filo V.
06-21-2011, 02:18 AM
Thank you for bringing your intelligent tennis mind onto the thread. It was needed.

Filo V.
06-21-2011, 02:21 AM
C'mon Filo - not your best post. You're on record here as saying Milos is more than just serve, now all of sudden he's just a server because he beat one of your guys?

You should know me well enough by now that my positions are 100% based solely on what player is playing who :p

In all honesty, yes, I'm just pouting, and no, Milos isn't all serve. But I do think Marc has a more entertaining game and I do think it would have been better had he won. With that said I do like Milos so I'm give him credit for his victory.

Filo V.
06-21-2011, 02:23 AM
I do like a lot of challenger guys and Marc isn't my main focus this week. My main focuses in Wimbledon are S. Bolelli, K. Beck, R. Ramirez Hidalgo and F. Serra. Marco winning would have been an extra prize. I'm not too disappointed overall.

out_here_grindin
06-21-2011, 02:24 AM
Thank you for bringing your intelligent tennis mind onto the thread. It was needed.

The thing is Filo, you are far too inconsistent in your player likes and dislikes. You respect some who work hard but dismiss others because they lack talent. You like some talented headcases but dislike others. Every player is different yes, but there isn't much consistency in your commenst about what is good and what isn't good about a result.

Filo V.
06-21-2011, 02:27 AM
so, you almost never root for Nadal.

I root for him because I like him, but when he plays a lower-ranked guy I like, I either root for the lower ranked guy or neither. If he's playing like a Russell today, I didn't root for either. If Mikey won, I would have been so happy. When Murray played DGT, I wanted Daniel to win, I don't like Murray much, and I like Daniel. If...............Ramirez played Nadal or Djokovic, I'd root for Ruben. If Simone plays Federer, I'd root for Simone. That's just how my mentality on tennis. I prefer the lower ranked guys.

Filo V.
06-21-2011, 02:35 AM
The thing is Filo, you are far too inconsistent in your player likes and dislikes. You respect some who work hard but dismiss others because they lack talent. You like some talented headcases but dislike others. Every player is different yes, but there isn't much consistency in your commenst about what is good and what isn't good about a result.

I don't think you need consistency in player likes and dislikes, though. You like what you like. I don't think I'm that inconsistent, though. I mean, when it comes to the low talented hard workers, really, none of my main favorites are completely devoid of any real upper-echelon talent, nor are they completely boring. They all have something in their games that make them interesting. RRH is awkward, Russell has speed, Hajek times the ball really well off both sides, and I can go on.

What is good and not good in a result is if the player is dependent on a few factors. Firstly, who needs the win more. I hate when a player who needs a win goes against someone they can beat and fail to do so. Secondly, does the more interesting and impacting player win or lose. Those are really the main factors in what makes a good result.

The guys I really can't stand are the ones who have nothing in their games that stand out and are basically boring, and garbage. Like Kukushkin for instance. Matosevic, has absolutely no game combining with the fact he's a headcase. Mello, I don't hate him, but I'm not fond of him, because he has a garbage game. Andujar was the exact way but he improved his game, as with Berlocq, so I don't dislike them.

Filo V.
06-21-2011, 02:36 AM
I've never downgraded someone for being a headcase unless it's something that they cannot control in any way and it's pathetic. Almost all of my favorites are headcases and chokers.

out_here_grindin
06-21-2011, 02:39 AM
Good answer. I was thinking in particular about your disdain for Soeda and Istomin because I like both of those players and then you like a player like Ramirez-Hidalgo. But different strokes for different folks.

Filo V.
06-21-2011, 02:51 AM
Thank you. I don't dislike Istomin actually, but if I had to choose, I'd want him from the top 100 because there are other guys I want over him that aren't in it. The same thing with Kamke, I don't dislike him, but I don't like him enough to see him in the top 100 over guys I like.

I can't say I actually hate Kubot, either, but the same thing with Istomin and Kamke, I don't want him in the top 100 over a favorite of mine. But if he's solidly in, then it is what it is.

That reminds me, another absolutely garbage player I can't stand is Gremelmayr, and he's obnoxious to boot. I can accept a guy who is obnoxious if they have a game. If you have neither then I won't like you.

Soeda, he's just dull. RRH, his game is awkward, his stroke production, the way he lazily moves. He hits tons of junk balls but he can also be offensive, he can use drop shots, even volley some. Soeda doesn't have anything at all in his game that stands out and he has no personality. But the main reason I'm not too fond of him is because he only wins in weak challengers and doesn't do anything in bigger ones.

hyperren
06-21-2011, 03:18 AM
Seeing the same players over and over and over, is not interesting.

Stick to the WTA, then. ;)

hyperren
06-21-2011, 03:29 AM
And before y'all misconstrue that, I was being slightly sarcastic. :)

To be honest, the unpredictability of the WTA is a double-edged sword. On one hand, the "Who will win?!" aspect of it makes it quite exciting. On the other hand, there's no consistency amongst the top players, so it's hard to take any of them seriously. And if (and when) the Williams sisters get enough match practice and such, they'll probably destroy the competition regularly again.

It would be nice to see some young guns stepping up... so, actually, Filo, I'm glad Raonic won, because he's more likely to go further in the tournament than Gicquel. Gicquel winning one round isn't "exciting"; if Raonic makes it further than people think, then THAT'S a story.

wee
06-21-2011, 08:05 AM
It's much better that Raonic won

Sombrerero loco
06-21-2011, 08:23 AM
yeah expected, come on milos