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Hewitt, Safin or Kuerten

stewietennis
06-03-2011, 12:04 AM
Nods to the Rafter vs Djokovic thread. Of these three, who has had a greater career? All three have had tenures at the number one ranking. Hewitt has his Wimbledon and USO titles. Safin has his Australian and USO. Kuerten has three French Opens.

n3gative
06-03-2011, 12:12 AM
Rusty

sexybeast
06-03-2011, 12:15 AM
Kuerten, mostly because of his difficult draws.

yesh222
06-03-2011, 12:21 AM
Hewitt. Two year-end #1s beat anything those guys did, even with a weak field.

sexybeast
06-03-2011, 12:32 AM
Hewitt. Two year-end #1s beat anything those guys did, even with a weak field.

Yes, a very weak field.

Kuerten won 3 slams against a strong field on clay. Maybe Hewitt's strong card is his consistency up until the end of 2005, Kuerten however had more bad luck with injuries.

Hmm, but Hewitt was in all 3 different slam finals and 7-8 slam semifinals while Kuerten was only past QF 3 times in his favorite clay slam in Roland Garros. Maybe Hewitt should take his prize, but I am quite sure a healthy Kuerten could have won another RG and maybe ended nr1 2001 instead of Hewitt.

rocketassist
06-03-2011, 12:36 AM
How was it a weak field? Fed was around, Pete and Andre were, Roddick, Nalbandian, stop this shit.

yesh222
06-03-2011, 12:42 AM
How was it a weak field? Fed was around, Pete and Andre were, Roddick, Nalbandian, stop this shit.

The fact that Hewitt did as well as he did shows the field was weak. Weak is a relative term though. Yes, there were very good players, just not as great as at the top during most other 2-year stretches. Maybe "weaker" would have been more proper than "weak".

sexybeast
06-03-2011, 12:43 AM
How was it a weak field? Fed was around, Pete and Andre were, Roddick, Nalbandian, stop this shit.

Pete and Andre were above 30 and Federer, Nalbandian and Roddick were all younger than Hewitt and would all bloom later than Hewitt.

If 2001-2002 wasnt weak how could:

1)Johansson win Australian Open
2)Ivanisevic by 31 win Wimbledon
3)Clement get to Australian Open final
4)Nalbandian find himself in Wimbledon final without having played a single match on grasscourts in his life.

stewietennis
06-03-2011, 01:06 AM
4)Nalbandian find himself in Wimbledon final without having played a single match on grasscourts in his life.

How did he get to the final if he didn't play on grass? The previous rounds were on hardcourts? ;)

Topspindoctor
06-03-2011, 01:41 AM
Guga. Safin was inconsistent and Hewitt was a transitional champ.

ssin
06-03-2011, 05:19 AM
Guga,of course

Pirata.
06-03-2011, 06:18 AM
Greater tennis career? Guga.
Greater racquet smashing career? Safin.

LawrenceOfTennis
06-03-2011, 06:23 AM
Hewitt career would have been great and almost perfect if he'd retired in 2005. Kuerten was also a great talent, obviously more talented than Djokovic. And Safin....that's not a question. He won USO at 20 but then came that injury...

Haelfix
06-03-2011, 09:07 AM
Pretty close between Guga and Hewitt. I'd give the edge to Hewitt though as he was more dangerous on several surfaces (grass + hards vs just clay).

And yea the weak competition thing is a myth. Hewitt was beating Pete and Agassi when both where still in their relative primes in eg 1998 and he was still a teenager. So yea, the guy was very much the real deal and would have won a veritable bucket ton of grand slams had he been born 6 years earlier in the 90s.

In fact that was his problem. His game was designed and perfected to give nightmares to the power baseliners of the 90s and to S/Vers. When that style of play was going out, his results suffered.

MaxPower
06-03-2011, 09:43 AM
In terms of career prize money (which probably matters more than how tennis fans argue about weak fields) it's

Hewitt>Safin>Kuerten. So yeah maybe that annoying come-on Hewitt has had the better career. He got the titles and the longevity on the tour. Not necessarily longevity on the top but he got about $5 millions more to play with when his career ends. So as he would say when you net your arguments against this: COME ON!

Voo de Mar
06-03-2011, 10:03 AM
Kuerten.

Sonja1989
06-03-2011, 10:08 AM
Kuerten. :D

Chase Visa
06-03-2011, 10:25 AM
Hewitt had the stronger career on paper, but Kuerten would've been good in any era, Hewitt required a transitional period for his success.

Audacity
06-03-2011, 10:30 AM
Hewitt

buzz
06-03-2011, 11:00 AM
Kuerten is the most legendary for me, although that is mainly due to his clay tennis. Dominated clay for a while, not like Nadal/borg I know, but he was the man on clay. together with federer the second best claycourter after Nadal I have seen (watching tennis from 1997)

Safin I thought would have the greatest career, but has never been consistent enough to dominate a surface or a year. Did have a couple of great tournys

Hewitt was the no1 tennis player for two years (not like federer, but overall he was the man who you gave the best chance to win). But got thrashed and bageled regulary two years later by federer, wich among other things makes me think I have seen a lot of better players on all courts. (Samprass(hard grass), Agassi(hard grass clay), Federer(hard grass clay) Nadal(clay grass, maybe hard) djokovic(hard) And more will come so that is not so legendary, but still a better career in terms of money recognition by casual tennis fan

tennishero
06-03-2011, 11:17 AM
hewitt

sexybeast
06-03-2011, 11:39 AM
Pretty close between Guga and Hewitt. I'd give the edge to Hewitt though as he was more dangerous on several surfaces (grass + hards vs just clay).

And yea the weak competition thing is a myth. Hewitt was beating Pete and Agassi when both where still in their relative primes in eg 1998 and he was still a teenager. So yea, the guy was very much the real deal and would have won a veritable bucket ton of grand slams had he been born 6 years earlier in the 90s.

In fact that was his problem. His game was designed and perfected to give nightmares to the power baseliners of the 90s and to S/Vers. When that style of play was going out, his results suffered.

That is really something interesting about Hewitt, his perfect opponents would be Henman, Sampras, Ivanisevic and Rafter. He was serving bagels and breadsticks to them when he was a teenager, he was a nightmare to serve and volleyers.

What would have happened if Hewitt would appear in the middle of the 90s instead? He would certanly have a better career than in the 2000s, he was a real antidote to the power serve and volley players of the 90s, in fact there were no quality players who played like Hewitt in the 90s.

vn01
06-03-2011, 12:04 PM
maybe hewitt. guga's career had great career, as well.

thrust
06-03-2011, 01:40 PM
How was it a weak field? Fed was around, Pete and Andre were, Roddick, Nalbandian, stop this shit.

Pete was on his last legs, Roger had not reached his best, Roddick and Nalbandian were erratic players who have 1 slam between them. Hewitt was an outstanding player who maximized his potential, which is very admirable. Still he was a bit lucky with his competition. Having said that, I would rank him above Kuerten and Safin.

Chris Kuerten
06-03-2011, 02:16 PM
Hewitt is a joke.

atennisfan
06-03-2011, 02:51 PM
Hewitt. Because the numbers don't lie.

Just because it was what some people called transitional era does not diminish his accomplishments, in relative to Guga and Safin.

FiBeR
06-03-2011, 03:11 PM
*3 Slams > 2 Slams ---- Kuerten ahead here.
Though Hewitt has finals in Australia and US Open (W USO, W Wimbledon) and Safin 2 more finals in Australia (W USO, W AO)

*2 years as nº1 vs 1 year vs 0 year --- Hewitt ahead here
Hewitt has overall most weeks as nº1 than both players combined.

Hewitt wasn't gifted with the same amount of talent as for e.g. Kuerten's backhand or Safin's backhand but he took the most out of his mentality, more titles, more prime years, more everything... but 1 slam less than Kuerten.

Blugoldjoe
06-03-2011, 03:12 PM
very close between the 3. Rafter, as well, is right in that group in my mind.

Fujee
06-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Kuerten, then probably Hewitt then Safin. Safin was the most talented however.

UncleZeke
06-03-2011, 04:25 PM
It's a really tough call to make, for who had the better career on court, and legitimate arguments can be made for all three. However, when looking for a tie-breaker for career accomplishments for all three, and considering off court accomplishments during this same time as well, with all due respect to Hewitt, Marat Safin was the Man..