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Nadal and Soderling's Rivalry

n8
06-01-2011, 05:41 AM
The Roland Garros 2011 quarter-final will be their sixth Grand Slam match from only eight meetings.

Are there any two players with more than 75% of their matches at Grand Slams (at least five matches overall)?

I think their rivalry is one of the most interesting in tennis, so I wrote an article about it (match by match) and also talked about their upcoming match.
http://thebigtip.com.au/tennis/nadal-and-soderling-heated-rivalry-continues

http://www.nadalvsfederer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/nadal-vs-soderling.jpg

Orka_n
06-01-2011, 05:52 AM
Good stuff :yeah:

I always enjoy this match-up, nice contrast in styles. Although I feel that Robin has to win today in order to keep the rivalry more alive. :)

n8
06-01-2011, 05:57 AM
Cheers. Yep, or at least pushes Nadal to a close match. It would be good if they played more on hard court too (only one match so far).

Stefanos13
06-01-2011, 06:01 AM
Good article. Thanks for the time you've taken to remind us all.

Agree with your prediction – let's hope it happens!


:)

careergrandslam
06-01-2011, 06:03 AM
nadal will clown around and get owned again.

f**king rafa :fiery:

straitup
06-01-2011, 06:16 AM
Great article.

It is a fantastic rivalry, I agree in that I want to see more HC matches between the two. The tension isn't quite as high as that Wimbledon match which was hilarious, but the tennis has improved and there's certainly an inner fire to beat the other guy. Hope this next match is a classic

n8
06-01-2011, 07:38 AM
Good article. Thanks for the time you've taken to remind us all.

Agree with your prediction – let's hope it happens!


:)

Thanks for checking it out.

Great article.

It is a fantastic rivalry, I agree in that I want to see more HC matches between the two. The tension isn't quite as high as that Wimbledon match which was hilarious, but the tennis has improved and there's certainly an inner fire to beat the other guy. Hope this next match is a classic

Thanks! If Soderling beats the defending champion for the third straight year at Roland Garros, that will be classic. I hope it's an exciting one too.

Deivid23
06-01-2011, 07:46 AM
Good effort, but you should have added a bit of more insight about how both players match up and about how they played in those days imo, that would be way worthy than just typing the results and writing about a couple of funny anecdotes imo. Concerning your prediction, I think you miss out how Nadal has played, definetely not just a fact of getting used to the conditions. If he doesn´t improve dramatically his level, Soderling has a big chance to win

tufani
06-01-2011, 08:02 AM
It's great for tennis to have a rivalry with such a background. Although I've seen a Rafa-fan opinion that they'd rather see him lose to Soderling than to Djokovic again. :tape:

ApproachShot
06-01-2011, 08:17 AM
Great article as always, and I agree with your prediction. Hopefully Soderling can give Rafa a close match and it will be very entertaining if conditions allow them play at a high level.

MaxPower
06-01-2011, 08:31 AM
Their rivalry is generally a bit exaggerated because of Soderlings antics in that Wimbledon 5-seter. It was mearly a backlash of Nadals horrible delaying tactics in that match which were very unsportsmanlike so Soderling gave him a taste of his own medicine and Nadal called him out on it. Wish is kinda ironic but anyway. You got to think if his breakthrough had come earlier if he had only won that match. And if it had slowed down Nadals grass evolution and saved Federer in 2008.

Today however they got a very professional relation. Soderling has said before todays match "We do talk, he is a nice guy. From my side there is no problems. Us other players have to be thankful to Fedal. Their rivalry has helpt the tennis and been positive to us"

Nadal said before the match today:
"He is an amazing player, so it will be a very tough match. I have to play at a very high level"


So no real problem between them. Between their fans however- that's another story :)

wee
06-01-2011, 08:36 AM
good stuff,cheers....

coonster14
06-01-2011, 08:38 AM
I like the Sodal rivalry, so much history between them (Robin being the only man to beat Rafa at FO, upsetting the 4-time defending champion in the 4th round in 2009, and as you mentioned, they have met in grand slams numerous times), hope to watch them play against each other more on HC though.

Also, the fact that there has been a bit of bad blood between them (Wimbledon 2007 with Robin imitating Rafa), it certainly adds a bit of spice leading into their matches.

Looking forward to see if Robin can upset the defending champion for the 3rd year in a row, I hope it will be a competitive match from both ends of the court in the QF tonight. :)

henke007
06-01-2011, 08:38 AM
Robin said in an interview made by Swedish WTA player Sofia Arvidsson that he would rather take Rafa out to dinner then Dance with Almugro :lol:

He said he has no problem with Nadal and that they talk on the tour..

MaxPower
06-01-2011, 08:47 AM
Robin said in an interview made by Swedish WTA player Sofia Arvidsson that he would rather take Rafa out to dinner then Dance with Almugro :lol:

He said he has no problem with Nadal and that they talk on the tour..


:haha: But yeah he's gotten less funny with his quotes the older and wiser (and higher ranked) he's become.

careergrandslam
06-01-2011, 08:51 AM
soderling hates nadal and nadal hates soderling even more.

the winner of this match will be hailed as a god and the loser will be abused and humiliated.

MaxPower
06-01-2011, 08:58 AM
soderling hates nadal and nadal hates soderling even more.

the winner of this match will be hailed as a god and the loser will be abused and humiliated.

truth. Soderking should be hailed as Sodergod then. And if he loses he will likely be abused and humiliated for a while....but only until his loyal ally in the war against the clay devil, The Emperor of Serbia, strikes the so called Rafa down :devil:

Rafa#Uno:-)
06-01-2011, 09:24 AM
its okay between them nowadays
good for robin to have some humility good for his performance
it will blow 7 ms the wind will be a factor...

henke007
06-01-2011, 09:28 AM
Wind will destroy this great match..

Sonja1989
06-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Thank you, good article as usual StatRacket :hatoff:

pesto
06-01-2011, 10:10 AM
I was on Chatrier at that first match, in the first round of Garros in 2006. I think it was a significant match, actually.

It was the Rafa's 54th consecutive win on clay, breaking Vilas' 53 match clay streak. All the tennis gods were in the audience, and at times the match looked closer than the scoreline shows.

At the end of the match, Soderling was bundled off court in double-quick time and a ceremony was set up for Vilas to present Rafa with an award for the streak - a section through a clay court.

It was all rather naff and I felt sorry for Robin - the organisers had clearly written off his chances, and seen him as just another victim on Nadal's altar, arranging for Vilas et al to be there, and having the trophy made for the occasion. It must be humiliating to have such concrete proof that you're seen as a no-hoper

It was the first time I'd seen Rafa in the flesh, and I was amazed at how long he took between points - on telly, the time is often given over to commentator chitchat, showing stats or making a cup of tea, so I'd not really taken much notice. In real life, it felt interminable, and it put me off Rafa to a degree.

buzz
06-01-2011, 10:13 AM
should be a good match today! nice article

MaxPower
06-01-2011, 10:23 AM
I was on Chatrier at that first match, in the first round of Garros in 2006. I think it was a significant match, actually.

It was the Rafa's 54th consecutive win on clay, breaking Vilas' 53 match clay streak. All the tennis gods were in the audience, and at times the match looked closer than the scoreline shows.

At the end of the match, Soderling was bundled off court in double-quick time and a ceremony was set up for Vilas to present Rafa with an award for the streak - a section through a clay court.

It was all rather naff and I felt sorry for Robin - the organisers had clearly written off his chances, and seen him as just another victim on Nadal's altar, arranging for Vilas et al to be there, and having the trophy made for the occasion. It must be humiliating to have such concrete proof that you're seen as a no-hoper

It was the first time I'd seen Rafa in the flesh, and I was amazed at how long he took between points - on telly, the time is often given over to commentator chitchat, showing stats or making a cup of tea, so I'd not really taken much notice. In real life, it felt interminable, and it put me off Rafa to a degree.

thanks for the story. I think matches like that one was the typical "early career Soderling" meeting with a top player. He didn't feel confident, he thought he was going to lose and he didn't have much hope so he quit. But already then he had potential in his game and for example pushed Federer in many of his matches early in the career.

When Norman took over as Soderlings coach one of the first things he said was "You never never ever quit" Once Soderling got that into his head and also that the only player he can control is himself and his own level he became the perfect guy to challenge Rafa. It was the mindset that gave him the 2009 win or the 2010 win vs Federer in RG (even losing the first set). It was also the thing that turned Soderling from a talented 20-50 player into a top10 player.

n8
06-01-2011, 02:39 PM
Thanks ApproachShot, wee, Sonja, buzz and MaxPower. And thanks everyone for your comments.

Good effort, but you should have added a bit of more insight about how both players match up and about how they played in those days imo

Constructive comments are always welcome thanks. Unfortunately I'm not very good at analysing match ups in that way. I could throw in a line or two but beyond that I get unsure of myself so I tend to stick to my strengths. If anyone can describe more about their match up please share. :)

straitup
06-01-2011, 03:03 PM
Robin said in an interview made by Swedish WTA player Sofia Arvidsson that he would rather take Rafa out to dinner then Dance with Almugro :lol:

He said he has no problem with Nadal and that they talk on the tour..

:lol: The tension between Soderling and Almagro during their good match in Rome was hilarious to watch

n8
06-01-2011, 03:37 PM
I was on Chatrier at that first match, in the first round of Garros in 2006. I think it was a significant match, actually.

It was the Rafa's 54th consecutive win on clay, breaking Vilas' 53 match clay streak. All the tennis gods were in the audience, and at times the match looked closer than the scoreline shows.

At the end of the match, Soderling was bundled off court in double-quick time and a ceremony was set up for Vilas to present Rafa with an award for the streak - a section through a clay court.

It was all rather naff and I felt sorry for Robin - the organisers had clearly written off his chances, and seen him as just another victim on Nadal's altar, arranging for Vilas et al to be there, and having the trophy made for the occasion. It must be humiliating to have such concrete proof that you're seen as a no-hoper

It was the first time I'd seen Rafa in the flesh, and I was amazed at how long he took between points - on telly, the time is often given over to commentator chitchat, showing stats or making a cup of tea, so I'd not really taken much notice. In real life, it felt interminable, and it put me off Rafa to a degree.

Cheers for that, I wish I knew that before I wrote the article. Maybe I'll slip it in now and claim it's my own. :devil:

That is really sad that all that was prepared on a contingency. I heavily dislike that kind of thing, it's like when I read articles sometimes that say, when the draw comes out, two players WILL meet in the quarter-finals/semi-finals, they should always add something like 'if results go to seeding'.

If only Rafa's record breaking streak was for his 2009 RG match. That would have been gold to have it all thrown in their face, but I suppose we would never know about what was prepared then.

JolánGagó
06-01-2011, 05:11 PM
The Roland Garros 2011 quarter-final will be their sixth Grand Slam match from only eight meetings.

Are there any two players with more than 75% of their matches at Grand Slams (at least five matches overall)?

I think their rivalry is one of the most interesting in tennis, so I wrote an article about it (match by match) and also talked about their upcoming match.
http://thebigtip.com.au/tennis/nadal-and-soderling-heated-rivalry-continues

http://www.nadalvsfederer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/nadal-vs-soderling.jpg

ludicrous statement, how can such an unbalanced "rivalry" be one of the most interesting in tennis?

mistery, enigma, riddle... :shrug:

MaxPower
06-01-2011, 05:17 PM
Not like their careers ended today. Watch Soderling take out Nadal next time they meet and it's ignited again. Nadal will only get slower and his defense will get worse for every day that passes. Soderling plays with a big serve and big groundstrokes. He can play until Ljubicic age and still be a top notch player. They will meet many more times

henke007
06-01-2011, 05:18 PM
Wind will destroy this great match..

This..

Priam
06-01-2011, 05:19 PM
Robin's best chances are indoors or some quick hard court.

Their relationship is quite...civil. Let's just leave it at that. I mean I don't think they'll ever be good buddies.

MaxPower
06-01-2011, 05:28 PM
Wind will destroy this great match..

This..

yeah you called it and I called it too :( I remember QF vs Federer in US Open 2010. Was the same thing. Robin only has one game and that game doesn't work in wind. Rafa only has one game and that game works in wind. Federer can play how he likes so he just adapts :)

shiaben
06-01-2011, 05:37 PM
You know at one point, I had really high expectations of Soderling possibly creating a big rivalry to challenge Nadal. I thought he would be able to get away with it without much footwork. But I can see how vital it is to have footwork against Rafa. You may be able to defeat him once, but if you don't have solid footwork you're going to have to cross your fingers that all your shots from the baseline will be mostly winners or at least hitting near the lines. Because his rallies in the long run frustrate opponents to death, and eventually they give in and either over hit points or smack the ball into the net.

n8
06-02-2011, 12:52 AM
ludicrous statement, how can such an unbalanced "rivalry" be one of the most interesting in tennis?

mistery, enigma, riddle... :shrug:

Ah, Rafa leads Federer 16-8 yet look at the publicity that rivalry gets.

Wind will destroy this great match..

Good call. You can usually tell who will not play well in the wind but looking at indoor results. Soderling is great indoors so wind is not his friend.

BULLZ1LLA
06-02-2011, 03:19 AM
yeah you called it and I called it too :( I remember QF vs Federer in US Open 2010. Was the same thing. Robin only has one game and that game doesn't work in wind. Rafa only has one game and that game works in wind. Federer can play how he likes so he just adapts :)

(Federer is undefeated vs Rafa INDOORS, but a poor record vs Rafa Outdoors, so while Federer isn't a terrible wind player, the wind definitely favors Rafa big time. Federer needs everything perfect and still in order to play his absolute best tennis. And he needs his best tennis, in order to beat Rafa)