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Gul
06-27-2011, 01:30 PM
Why always -, Why always mean ,Why always fight, Life is short Pls peace:))))))

Schu
06-27-2011, 01:32 PM
:lol: Schu :) are you by chance crossing your fingers? :tennis:

and toes and eyes ... actually I'm hoping Richie catches fire which includes making Murray pay for the numerous second serves he has been hitting so far.

cielo
06-27-2011, 01:40 PM
and toes and eyes ... actually I'm hoping Richie catches fire which includes making Murray pay for the numerous second serves he has been hitting so far.


:lol: I just couldn't "like" Murray (as a tennis player) myself - no offense to his fans but I don't know....I don't want to jinx richard...oh well, whatever happens...[I] let it be :)

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 01:49 PM
ok, the hard way now. Allez, Richard! Level in the 2nd set dropped from both, I felt.

j'adore_richie
06-27-2011, 01:52 PM
urgh 2 sets down. He's playing terribly to be honest. His serve has eluded him since the first set, he's tight with his groundstrokes, returning horribly. He's only been close because Murray's also been tight at times.

Schu
06-27-2011, 01:56 PM
O.K. now he really has nothing to loose - give him a fight Richard and go for it! He is holding his service games well now but so is Andy.

Jozie
06-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Is Richard showing some fight? We have Williams / Bartoli televised here.:fiery:

silverwhite
06-27-2011, 02:02 PM
I was sure he'd lose but I thought he'd at least take a set :o

silverwhite
06-27-2011, 02:03 PM
Is Richard showing some fight? We have Williams / Bartoli televised here.:fiery:

Right choice. Serena on the brink of defeat :sobbing:

Vlad1980
06-27-2011, 02:05 PM
This is one of more disappointing performances from Richard all year to be honest. Murray is playing very well but that is expected.

Jozie
06-27-2011, 02:06 PM
Right choice. Serena on the brink of defeat :sobbing:

Serena is showing some fight. :o Richard has been broken. :mad: Just as well I am not watching, this is too sad. :sad:

GasquetFan
06-27-2011, 02:10 PM
Oh Richie :sad::sad::sad:

Vlad1980
06-27-2011, 02:12 PM
Apart from tight first set, I gotta say Richard has looked like he was content with losing. Sad, but I guess 4th round in slams is all he wants for now. This is the reason he is not getting enough respect for his heart apart from his fan base.

silverwhite
06-27-2011, 02:14 PM
Worst day ever. Serena and Richard both lost without winning a single set :help:

GasquetFan
06-27-2011, 02:16 PM
Apart from tight first set, I gotta say Richard has looked like he was content with losing. Sad, but I guess 4th round in slams is all he wants for now. This is the reason he is not getting enough respect for his heart apart from his fan base.

True, it's the same old story, he has the talent and potential but not the drive and desire that's needed to win slams and compete with the best... onto the next one.......... :rolleyes:

Schu
06-27-2011, 02:20 PM
VERY disappointing from Richard. Murray was playing just O.K. until Richard gave him all the confidence he needed to cruise to a win.

After the first set TB I thought it was over but I hoped he'd at least show some fight and not think that too.

Same old story.

on to Davis Cup??? and the wrost part of his year - the U.S. hardcourts.

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 02:25 PM
He played well in the first set, but could not make the difference. From the second set onwards, his serve lost quite some penetration and the confidence went down with it. In the third set, Murray was a class of his own for large parts and served so much better than in his last matches.

I had hoped for more to be honest, but I won't join the moaners. Winning or losing, I will always support him.

j'adore_richie
06-27-2011, 02:31 PM
I think his tactic of just getting the first serve in hurt him. I can see why he chose the tactic because he afraid of Murray's returns, but the first serve became really ineffective.

Oh well, I guess I should be used to this by now, having followed Richie for almost a decade, but I'll still hold out hope that one day the pieces will fall into place.

Vlad1980
06-27-2011, 02:35 PM
I think his tactic of just getting the first serve in hurt him. I can see why he chose the tactic because he afraid of Murray's returns, but the first serve became really ineffective.

Oh well, I guess I should be used to this by now, having followed Richie for almost a decade, but I'll still hold out hope that one day the pieces will fall into place.

I think that tactic was ok before Murray adjusted to it and then Richard had to go for more on serves. The big difference is that Richard played horrible on 2nd serve returns. It is his biggest weakness right now, and perhaps it is weakest of all top 20 players. Richard simply can not hit aggressive returns of consistent basis, and you can't beat top 5 on grass without that. Mentally and physically this performance was simply horrendous. It seems he still has hangover from clay court tennis, but Murray has reached semis at RG and looked 10 times fresher.

scmom
06-27-2011, 02:37 PM
well , thanks to the shit coverage of tennis in the US , I did not see much of this match
sounds like that is ok that I missed it
I am thrilled he made it to the second week, but had hoped he would have exacted some revenge against Murray - but it was not to be
good luck going forward in the rest of the year, Richard

PinkFeatherBoa
06-27-2011, 02:44 PM
Ah, could see the bad omen when he said he could try to get 2 sets off Murray again..

Haven't seen much of the match but the bit I saw was definitely disappointing but I guess this was just a step too far at the moment.

A little disappointing that he didn't seem up for the fight today but otherwise a solid tournament. Onwards- hope dies last.

ImmzB
06-27-2011, 03:01 PM
:sad: :sad:

Gasquet played very well in the 1st set but just couldn't get the break, Gasquet didn't fade away in the 2nd, he was there with Murray but he got broken at the wrong time which meant Murray had the chance to serve it out and which he did. 3rd set Murray really stepped up and took control.

I'm angry that Richard was too passive on Murray's 2nd serves, he didn't seem to attack the 2nd serve, he kept just hitting the ball back in court with not much pace! :mad:

Credit to Murray, he served great and played the big points well! :yeah:

ImmzB
06-27-2011, 03:10 PM
on to Davis Cup??? and the wrost part of his year - the U.S. hardcourts.

Richard needs to build on this good week, hopefully winning the DC tie will give him more confidence leading into Stuttgart and the US Hard court season. He played well last year in the States, 3rd round in Cincy and 4th in New York.

A weeks rest and back into training for tie v Germany, the selection is tomorrow and I guess Gasquet should be there, if he isn't and is the 5th man again! :mad: :mad:

ImmzB
06-27-2011, 03:36 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2011/20110627_161803_murray-la-force-de-l-habitude.html

Richard lui-même te donne la réponse:

« Si j'avais gagné le premier set, ça aurait été un autre match. Ce set m'a fait mal, il a presque duré une heure, je l'ai perdu et j'ai pris un coup. Après il a très bien servi et c'est devenu plus difficile pour moi. Il sait tout faire, c'est un grand joueur. Dans l'ensemble, il était au-dessus même si j'aurais pu servir un peu mieux. Il est plus fort qu'il y a trois ans, il a tous les coups du tennis et il a super bien joué aujourd'hui. Il était bien plus fort que ceux que j'avais joués jusque-là. Je suis quand-même content de la semaine que j'ai fait. Quand on joue contre l'un des quatre premiers ça devient tout de suite plus difficile. Le niveau de jeu revient pas mal, mais il faut que je continue à travailler.

Richard himself will give you the answer:

"If I won the first set, it would have been another match. This set has hurt me, it lasted almost an hour, I lost it and took a shot. After he served very well and it became harder for me. He can do everything, it's a great player. Overall, it was over even though I could use a little better. It is stronger than three years ago, it has all the tennis strokes and he played great today. He was much stronger than those I had played before. Anyway I'm happy with the week I did. When you play against one of the first four it becomes at once more difficult. The level of play back OK, but I must continue to work.

silverwhite
06-27-2011, 03:50 PM
I had hoped for more to be honest, but I won't join the moaners. Winning or losing, I will always support him.

I don't think expressing disappointment and supporting him are mutually exclusive :scratch:

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 03:51 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2011/20110627_161803_murray-la-force-de-l-habitude.html

« Si j'avais gagné le premier set, ça aurait été un autre match. Ce set m'a fait mal, il a presque duré une heure, je l'ai perdu et j'ai pris un coup. Après il a très bien servi et c'est devenu plus difficile pour moi. Il sait tout faire, c'est un grand joueur. Dans l'ensemble, il était au-dessus même si j'aurais pu servir un peu mieux. Il est plus fort qu'il y a trois ans, il a tous les coups du tennis et il a super bien joué aujourd'hui. Il était bien plus fort que ceux que j'avais joués jusque-là. Je suis quand-même content de la semaine que j'ai fait. Quand on joue contre l'un des quatre premiers ça devient tout de suite plus difficile. Le niveau de jeu revient pas mal, mais il faut que je continue à travailler.

if I had won the first set, it would have been a different match. This set hurt me, it lasted an hour and I lost it, I took a hit. Afterwards he served well and it has become more difficult for me. He knows every shot, he is a great player, all in all, he was above me, even if I could have served better. He is stronger that 3 years ago, he has all the shots in tennis and he played very well today. He was a lot stronger than those I met so far. I am still pleased with the week, If one plays of the top 4 everything gets more difficult quickly. The [my] level of play does not return badly, but it is necessary that I continue working.

Hoping my translation makes a bit more sense. :p

silverwhite
06-27-2011, 03:54 PM
I think that tactic was ok before Murray adjusted to it and then Richard had to go for more on serves. The big difference is that Richard played horrible on 2nd serve returns. It is his biggest weakness right now, and perhaps it is weakest of all top 20 players. Richard simply can not hit aggressive returns of consistent basis, and you can't beat top 5 on grass without that. Mentally and physically this performance was simply horrendous. It seems he still has hangover from clay court tennis, but Murray has reached semis at RG and looked 10 times fresher.

I would go even further down...

Schu
06-27-2011, 04:44 PM
I had hoped for more to be honest, but I won't join the moaners. Winning or losing, I will always support him.

I'll always support Richard also but can still be disappointed in what was for me a loss of belief after loosing the first set - not moaning just the facts. Richard basically said in the interview after the first set it was over - he just should not ever think like that even if it is true.

Murray was not playing better than Richard (in fact Richard won more points in the first set - at least until the TB) until Richard deflated after the first set and boosted Murray's confidence to get on a roll by the third with little opposition from Richard.

Richard has weakness (ie. service return, but at least I'm not saying forehand any more :)) that top players can expose but his biggest weakness is his lack of belief because on those rare occasions when he has it those weakness are much less vulnerble.

But I came back here to give Richard a BIG :hug: (yea I'm a softie). Richard appears to have a personality very similar to mine and I suspect no matter how Richard justifies the match in his interview (murray just too strong) he feels like CRAP right now - not because he lost but because he lost his self belief and just could not fight anymore; it's frustrating as hell when it happens.

moving on... he better not be 5th man for DC :mad:

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 05:01 PM
I'll always support Richard also but can still be disappointed in what was for me a total loss of belief after loosing the first set
I am also disappointed, be assured. But today Richard lost to the better player, not because he choked away a huge lead or was too tired. He was not good enough today, in a way this is easier for me to accept. And all who say Murray was average are just blind or stupid or both. 44 winners versus 10 UEs from Murray is huge.

Vlad1980
06-27-2011, 05:49 PM
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2011/20110627_161803_murray-la-force-de-l-habitude.html

« Si j'avais gagné le premier set, ça aurait été un autre match. Ce set m'a fait mal, il a presque duré une heure, je l'ai perdu et j'ai pris un coup. Après il a très bien servi et c'est devenu plus difficile pour moi. Il sait tout faire, c'est un grand joueur. Dans l'ensemble, il était au-dessus même si j'aurais pu servir un peu mieux. Il est plus fort qu'il y a trois ans, il a tous les coups du tennis et il a super bien joué aujourd'hui. Il était bien plus fort que ceux que j'avais joués jusque-là. Je suis quand-même content de la semaine que j'ai fait. Quand on joue contre l'un des quatre premiers ça devient tout de suite plus difficile. Le niveau de jeu revient pas mal, mais il faut que je continue à travailler.

if I had won the first set, it would have been a different match. This set hurt me, it lasted an hour and I lost it, I took a hit. Afterwards he served well and it has become more difficult for me. He knows every shot, he is a great player, all in all, he was above me, even if I could have served better. He is stronger that 3 years ago, he has all the shots in tennis and he played very well today. He was a lot stronger than those I met so far. I am still pleased with the week, If one plays of the top 4 everything gets more difficult quickly. The [my] level of play does not return badly, but it is necessary that I continue working.

Hoping my translation makes a bit more sense. :p


Had he won the first set the match would be different? Really?

Richard, do you remember what happened last couple times you won first sets against Murray?
I wish he would stop this crap that he is saying and just play and take losses as a man and admit that he simply deflated in second and quit playing in third because that's what really happened. Murray played every set very well. At least, this time he didn't say that IF we play at Roland Garros it would be any different.

Sorry, I am really fuming at Richard's performance today. Losing is one thing, I am tired of his last set quitting... (see a lot of his other losses this year..) he quits playing in last set when he is down. Nadal in Rome, Novak at RG, Berdych at AO... etc

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 06:11 PM
Had he won the first set the match would be different? Really?
He did not say he would have won. He admits that Murray was better overall, even if he had served better. Besides, who knows how the match would have developed, had he won the first set, but i'll leave it at that, I am no friend of should/would/if either.

At least, this time he didn't say that IF we play at Roland Garros it would be any different.
He did not say that. He said he wanted to play Murray in front of his crowd. That's all.

Schu
06-27-2011, 06:27 PM
I am also disappointed, be assured. But today Richard lost to the better player, not because he choked away a huge lead or was too tired. He was not good enough today, in a way this is easier for me to accept. And all who say Murray was average are just blind or stupid or both. 44 winners versus 10 UEs from Murray is huge.

HOw many of those winners came after RIchard got broken in the second - when RIchard put up little opposition?

Maybe I just dislike Murray so much that I hate to admit Murray was THAT much better than Gasquet but I simply did not see play from Murray today that would have beaten RIchard so easily had RIchard been able to keep the pressure on Murray for more than a set. I'm not saying RIchard choked or got tired I'm just saying he basically quit when the going got tough. Had Richard shown the same fight and spirit I've seen in other matches recently (he seemed almost intimidated by the occasion) the result might still have been the same and then I could say he truly lost to a better player.

I do think Murray right now is a better player than Richard but today it was because Richard let him be the better player.

Vlad1980
06-27-2011, 06:31 PM
He did not say he would have won. He admits that Murray was better overall, even if he had served better. Besides, who knows how the match would have developed, had he won the first set, but i'll leave it at that, I am no friend of should/would/if either.


He did not say that. He said he wanted to play Murray in front of his crowd. That's all.



I know he didn't say he would have won... but just saying that the match would have been different is still a pure speculation and it makes no sense to even mention it. And if he can't last more than 1 hour in the heat then he perhaps should address that off court instead of talking what coulda or woulda happened.

Yes, you right, he didn't say it would have been different at RG, my bad. He was talking about the crowd.

reggie1
06-27-2011, 06:43 PM
As soon as I saw the weather forecast for today, I thought fate is not smiling on Richard. Well done to Andy but am sorely disappointed for Richard. I wish they had put the match on later.

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 06:59 PM
I know he didn't say he would have won... but just saying that the match would have been different is still a pure speculation and it makes no sense to even mention it.
OMG, we always mock his routine interviews and if he once dares to speculate, i.e. speaks his feelings, he is blamed again.

silverwhite
06-27-2011, 07:06 PM
Well, he's right. I don't think he would have won anyway, but the match would definitely have been different, especially since Murray would have felt much more pressure :shrug:

Then again, it's not a good mentality to have. He should believe that he still has as much of a chance even with the loss of the first set

Vlad1980
06-27-2011, 07:19 PM
OMG, we always mock his routine interviews and if he once dares to speculate, i.e. speaks his feelings, he is blamed again.


It's pointless... I mean what if he broke Murray to start second set? What if he served better? What if they played on Court 1 instead where Richard had a lot more success, instead of Center court where he never won a match? What if royal family wasn't there.. how could that affect the match? All meaningless.

He should ask question's like: What has Murray done during the match that bothered me so much and did not allow me to play best tennis...? or Why did I quit playing in third set? Would I have better chance if I actually tried my absolute best in third set?

Puschkin
06-27-2011, 07:24 PM
He should ask question's like: What has Murray done during the match that bothered me so much and did not allow me to play best tennis...? or Why did I quit playing in third set? Would I have better chance if I actually tried my absolute best in third set?

I am sure he discusses this with his coach or his coach with him. ;) But there is no reason to flagellate himself in front of the press.

ImmzB
06-27-2011, 08:24 PM
http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/lacoste/descpage.html?pcode=LMWP#

Hopefully he will wear the "Barbados w/White and Dark Navy" one for the US Hard court season. Red is getting a bit boaring now, he's worn that since Chennai! :lol:
If he's picked for DC, he will be wearing the Blue polo defiantly! :)

I like the Black one but I doubt he will wear that during the hot weather in the States unless he plays a Night match.

Gasquetno.1
06-27-2011, 11:03 PM
Disappointing first match of seeing Gasquet live, he looked so deflated out there I just want to him beat Murray! I hate him :lol:

Puschkin
07-01-2011, 06:42 PM
Well, he's right. I don't think he would have won anyway, but the match would definitely have been different, especially since Murray would have felt much more pressure :shrug:
The way Murray collapsed today, even after having won the first set, but messed up that easy FH for BPs, gives Richard's argument some value, even he is not Nadal.