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Johnny Groove
05-30-2011, 05:22 PM
Round 3. Here we go.

Topspindoctor
05-30-2011, 05:22 PM
Nadal better up his level if he wants to win in straights.

ImmzB
05-30-2011, 05:23 PM
Nadal in 3.

Start da Game
05-30-2011, 05:23 PM
clay god in 3 sets, sodalung will be left clueless on the court.......

NadalesDios
05-30-2011, 05:24 PM
Nadal in 3 easy sets

Orka_n
05-30-2011, 05:25 PM
Nadal better up his level if he wants to winFixed.

I think it will be a close one, but if Robin can raise his 1st serve %, he might take Nadal out.

Johnny Groove
05-30-2011, 05:26 PM
This is what we all wanted.

What we were all waiting for.

Nadal in 5.

Sophocles
05-30-2011, 05:26 PM
Nadal is playing worse than in 2009, but so is Soderling. But I think Nadal is subconsciously waiting for somebody to put him out of his misery & Soderling will sense this, serve well, keep the errors down, & win in 4.

guga2120
05-30-2011, 05:26 PM
Rafa, as he has said is playing sh!t, but I still think he is better than he was in 2009. Rafa in 4 tight sets.

shadows
05-30-2011, 05:26 PM
Should be good, Soderling will win if his blisters aren't bothering him too much.

alter ego
05-30-2011, 05:26 PM
Soderking to save tennis once again!

Time Violation
05-30-2011, 05:27 PM
Fixed.

Just had the same idea :lol: Anyway it should be a good match, hope it's outside my working time :D

delboy
05-30-2011, 05:27 PM
potential 5 setter with Moonballer prevailing..

straitup
05-30-2011, 05:27 PM
Nadal in 5..

joplin
05-30-2011, 05:30 PM
coachless Soderling is not winning this by any means. it was only his mug draw that enabled him to go this far

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 05:30 PM
First match they play where I think Soderling looking at the matches they have played in RG 2011 should be a slight favorite. But Nadal will of course be the real favorite due to past accomplishments. But I'd say Soderling will serve very well, be hard to break and clinch a close match in 4 sets

Benny Blanco
05-30-2011, 05:30 PM
Soderling in 3 or 4.Nadull was pathetic today and will surely lose.

SERBINATOR
05-30-2011, 05:31 PM
SODERLING in 3

if Soderling plays bad then in 4 Max

anyhow the FAKE king of Clay is going down!;)

Filo V.
05-30-2011, 05:31 PM
My head is telling me Soderling, but my conscious is telling me Nadal.

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 05:31 PM
coachless Soderling is not winning this by any means. it was only his mug draw that enabled him to go this far

He is coached by Fredrik Rosengren. Very good swedish coach who has been in the stands all week

rocketassist
05-30-2011, 05:31 PM
All down to Soderling's level. He plays his best and Nadal is out of here.

Do it Robin, 4 sets.

mark73
05-30-2011, 05:32 PM
Soderling has been playing with controled power. Nadal has strugled, coming close to loosing to Isner and beating very low ranked players. I think Soderling will dominate Nadal in a similar fashion to Simon. Nadal has not been hitting with as much depth and pace as we are accustomed to.

Soderling in 4.

Filo V.
05-30-2011, 05:33 PM
Neither player are playing at a high enough level on a consistent basis where you can predict this match outcome. I think Robin will be ultra confident and ultra determined. I think Rafa will fight hard and will see this as a must win match, but I also think he's broken right now in terms of his game. He's just in a slump. If he finds a way to turn it around, he'll win, but I'm not too confident he's going to be able to do that.

FedererXPress
05-30-2011, 05:33 PM
Nadal is not going to be able to get by this one playing at the level he has been. Even though I personally would love to see Soderling take this, I think Rafa has enough to beat him in a hotly contested 5 setter.

SERBINATOR
05-30-2011, 05:34 PM
Tennis will be saved on Wednesday!

Ilovetheblues_86
05-30-2011, 05:34 PM
Nadal in 4.

Filo V.
05-30-2011, 05:34 PM
Soderling has been playing with controled power. Nadal has strugled, coming close to loosing to Isner and beating very low ranked players. I think Soderling will dominate Nadal in a similar fashion to Simon. Nadal has not been hitting with as much depth and pace as we are accustomed to.

Soderling in 4.

Simon isn't Nadal on any level, though. Can't be compared.

RafaFan95
05-30-2011, 05:34 PM
This will be an interesting match but I hope Rafa will make it in 3.

rocketassist
05-30-2011, 05:35 PM
Simon isn't Nadal on any level, though. Can't be compared.

They can in terms of how they can change pace, offer something different in defence. Simon can slice, keep the ball low and give Soderling a different ball, Nadal just loops it back deep.

Topspindoctor
05-30-2011, 05:36 PM
Nadal in 3. Haters will be bitching once again about his opponent playing "worst tennis of his life".

Certinfy
05-30-2011, 05:36 PM
Robin in 4. I can see Rafa playing better, but I don't see him playing very well all of a sudden.

ballbasher101
05-30-2011, 05:37 PM
Soderking in 4. In Soderling we trust ;). Nadal is playing awful. If he was playing well I would say he deserved to win the whole thing. The way he is playing at the moment he does not deserve to get the trophy.

rocketassist
05-30-2011, 05:38 PM
Doesn't matter how well Nadal 'plays', if Soderling is playing at his peak level.

solowyn
05-30-2011, 05:38 PM
Allez Robin :cheerleader: He has a good chance, needs to be 100% focussed.

henke007
05-30-2011, 05:39 PM
Nadal has been a joke so far but i'll pick Rafa in 4.

zeleni
05-30-2011, 05:39 PM
This should be great match. Looking forward to it.:D:cool:

Filo V.
05-30-2011, 05:39 PM
They can in terms of how they can change pace, offer something different in defence. Simon can slice, keep the ball low and give Soderling a different ball, Nadal just loops it back deep.
Rafa's shots are harder to attack and he's a much better defender. Simon can change the pace and do tricky things to take some pressure off of him, but he can't outright prevent himself from being pressured by a hard hitter like Soderling. That's the main difference.

vn01
05-30-2011, 05:40 PM
soderling in 4, imo. :sadface: if nadal better up his level, he'll win, of course, but his game isn't good enough, yet

Ben.
05-30-2011, 05:42 PM
The Veic match aside, Rafa's form has been following a downward trend with each round. His level today will simply not be enough. His serve needs to improve too or Sod will have a field day. I don't see how anyone can think Rafa in straights having watched his first four rounds. I think it will be Sod in 4 sadly.

NadalesDios
05-30-2011, 05:42 PM
If Simon has taken Soderling to tiebreak, Nadal will crush him

rocketassist
05-30-2011, 05:43 PM
Rafa's shots are harder to attack and he's a much better defender. Simon can change the pace and do tricky things to take some pressure off of him, but he can't outright prevent himself from being pressured by a hard hitter like Soderling. That's the main difference.

Nadal is the best defender no doubt, not denying that but his speed and slow courts everywhere are a major factor, as often when he's on the back foot, the ball will come back in a strike zone for the aggressor, whereas when it's say Murray defending, he can slice it back low or put it in an awkward position to neutralise the rally more.

Nole Rules
05-30-2011, 05:44 PM
Rafa is going down in 4.

BULLZ1LLA
05-30-2011, 05:44 PM
(Soderling looked awful vs Simon, I think he played worse than in last year's final, so Rafa in 3. It's so easy for Rafa to beat Soderling because all Rafa has to do is keep the ball deep and extend the rally and Soderling will make some stupid error out of nowhere)

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 05:46 PM
Rafa's shots are harder to attack and he's a much better defender. Simon can change the pace and do tricky things to take some pressure off of him, but he can't outright prevent himself from being pressured by a hard hitter like Soderling. That's the main difference.

dunno if i agree with that. RG 09 and 10 he attacked them really well. Even if Nadal had some knee issues his shots must have been normal Nadal clay ones. Main difference is that he was fresh in his legs in R4 in 09 but totally spent in RG 2010 after taking out fed in a very hard match and then a 5 seter vs Berdych. He was physically and emotionally spent in the Final. While Rafa breezed through.

Unfortunately if Soderling takes out Nadal I bet Djokovic will breeze through and be fresh in the final while Soderling would get another war of attrition first vs Nadal and then vs Murray. Slams aren't really fair for nr5 seeds

luie
05-30-2011, 05:47 PM
If Simon has taken Soderling to tiebreak, Nadal will crush him
Soderling will have nadull running from side to side like a headless chicken.:D.
Even if soderling doesn't win,soderling/Murray will exhaust nadull for Novak to humiliate him in the finals,,as Novak will be fresher.
Nadull is toast.

careergrandslam
05-30-2011, 05:47 PM
this is an easy one to pick.

soderling in 3 sets.

BULLZ1LLA
05-30-2011, 05:48 PM
(I like it when Rafa gets Soderling, because it's an energy-free match, lots of cheap points off the shaky Soderling racquet, it's so ideal for a QF so Rafa is not tired for the SF vs Murray :-----)

BULLZ1LLA
05-30-2011, 05:50 PM
Soderling will have nadull running from side to side like a headless chicken.:D.
Even if soderling doesn't win,soderling/Murray will exhaust nadull for Novak to humiliate him in the finals,,as Novak will be fresher.
Nadull is toast.

(Federer is a better claycourter than Djokovic, this is a Rafa vs Fed final, hate to break it to ya)

ZakMcCrack
05-30-2011, 05:52 PM
(Soderling looked awful vs Simon, I think he played worse than in last year's final, so Rafa in 3. It's so easy for Rafa to beat Soderling because all Rafa has to do is keep the ball deep and extend the rally and Soderling will make some stupid error out of nowhere)

Yeah, but that wouldn't help Nadal for the upcoming matches, at all. Heck, today it was - more often than conceivable - Ljubicic, who just had to keep the ball in play, waiting for Nadal to miss. He sure as well won't feel comfortable trying to grind it out against Söderling given his current "playing ability"...

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 05:54 PM
Soderling will have nadull running from side to side like a headless chicken.:D.
Even if soderling doesn't win,soderling/Murray will exhaust nadull for Novak to humiliate him in the finals,,as Novak will be fresher.
Nadull is toast.

:clap2:Very true. Unfortunately the same goes for Soderling if he wins and then has to battle another player with great defense like Murray. Djokovic got the shot to be super fresh in the final. Nadal is doomed anyway. :eek::wavey::wavey:

Filo V.
05-30-2011, 05:56 PM
Nadal is the best defender no doubt, not denying that but his speed and slow courts everywhere are a major factor, as often when he's on the back foot, the ball will come back in a strike zone for the aggressor, whereas when it's say Murray defending, he can slice it back low or put it in an awkward position to neutralise the rally more.

I agree that a guy like Murray can get himself out of a defensive position more effectively with the different things he can do with the ball. But it's Rafa's topspin that makes a huge difference in comparison with others. Even with the ball in the strikezone, the spin on the ball makes it difficult to hit the ball cleanly. So therefore it makes it more difficult to hit winners consistently, and that combining with his movement makes him IMO the hardest player to attack effectively on a regular basis.

Start da Game
05-30-2011, 05:59 PM
(I like it when Rafa gets Soderling, because it's an energy-free match, lots of cheap points off the shaky Soderling racquet, it's so ideal for a QF so Rafa is not tired for the SF vs Murray :-----)

concurred, good observation.......nadal will just block and block and block one dimensional soderling into utter submission.......it will be done in straight sets.......

i so wished simon made the quarters because simon could feed nadal with plenty of balls from the back and get nadal into form.......

now that he plays sodamug instead of simon, we need to wait until the semis to see if murray gets there and feeds him a lot of balls from the back simon-style.......

RagingLamb
05-30-2011, 06:00 PM
Soderling in 4

I don't see Nadal suddenly transforming into a much better version of himself when he's consistently played crappy tennis this tournament.

And Soderling is playing solid tennis.

Orka_n
05-30-2011, 06:04 PM
concurred, good observation.......nadal will just block and block and block one dimensional soderling into utter submission.......it will be done in straight sets.......What a spartan this Nadal, running around the court like a little bitch just trying to get everything back in play. You're even admitting the match is on Robin's racquet. :lol:

finishingmove
05-30-2011, 06:14 PM
nadal will find a way

Start da Game
05-30-2011, 06:15 PM
What a spartan this Nadal, running around the court like a little bitch just trying to get everything back in play. You're even admitting the match is on Robin's racquet. :lol:

i am essentially hinting about the variety that nadal possesses.......different players, different tactics.......he pounds and pounds and pounds physically weaker specimen like fed, murray, simon.......

he matches stroke by stroke against fellow (consistent)big hitters djokovic and del potro.......

likewise, he lets players like soderling self destruct......

careergrandslam
05-30-2011, 06:16 PM
Soderling in 4

I don't see Nadal suddenly transforming into a much better version of himself when he's consistently played crappy tennis this tournament.

And Soderling is playing solid tennis.

this

Benny Blanco
05-30-2011, 06:39 PM
Soderling in 4

I don't see Nadal suddenly transforming into a much better version of himself when he's consistently played crappy tennis this tournament.

And Soderling is playing solid tennis.

Excellent post.

LocoPorElTenis
05-30-2011, 06:39 PM
Söderling in 4 sets.

luie
05-30-2011, 06:44 PM
nadal will find a way
By that you mean he will find a way to become cheatdull.once again when things get tight.;)

Angled Backhand
05-30-2011, 06:48 PM
Söderling in 4 OR Nadal in 4 or 5. Nadal has been playing bad, especially at the beginning of matches. It is possible that the thought of losing to Söd motivates him to play better. But I don't think he possesses the switch to simply play better. But Robin showed a sign of weakness against Simon at the end today and he seems to have zero confidence in his volleys. He can outplay Rafa from the baseline but I still think he needs to come to net a bit.

First post, by the way. Have been lurking quite a while. Cheers, everyone!:)

Benny Blanco
05-30-2011, 06:48 PM
Soderking to save tennis once again!

Exactly.

shiaben
05-30-2011, 06:50 PM
Soderling certainly has the ability and capacity to take it to 5, however, Nadal would be foolish to drain himself in such a manner, I think I'm going with a 4 sets, tight sets, win over the Swede. Wouldn't be surprised if Soderling were to KO since Nadal's performance this year is less than a shell of anything he had last year.

rofe
05-30-2011, 06:51 PM
Nadal is not playing that bad. I am going with Nadal in 4 or 5.

NadalPhan
05-30-2011, 06:58 PM
Rafa in 4.

NadalPhan
05-30-2011, 07:01 PM
this is an easy one to pick.

soderling in 3 sets.

Just keep picking people to beat Nadal in 3 you "so called" Nadal fan.

Benny Blanco
05-30-2011, 07:08 PM
Soderking to save tennis once again!

The tennis will be saved.

SERBINATOR
05-30-2011, 07:09 PM
he matches stroke by stroke against fellow (consistent)big hitters djokovic and del potro.......


Start the Fail, Nole would disagree with you...for him Nadull is just a weaker punching bag and he pounded him in straight sets in both clay finals whereas Ferrer, Belluci and Murray go more stroke to stroke than the Fail king of clay :devil:

Ibracadabra
05-30-2011, 07:17 PM
Both are happy the fog withdrew. Now they stand a chance of lifting the trophy

peribsen
05-30-2011, 07:20 PM
Rafa in his usual form would almost surely take this one.

But Rafa in his present state is very much beatable. He certainly has it in him to raise his game and win, but whether it's likely to happen this week is anybody's guess.

peribsen
05-30-2011, 07:25 PM
Start the Fail, Nole would disagree with you...for him Nadull is just a weaker punching bag and he pounded him in straight sets in both clay finals whereas Ferrer, Belluci and Murray go more stroke to stroke than the Fail king of clay :devil:

For heaven's sakes, some of you will hype 3-setters out of all proportion! It's not at all the first time Nole has beaten Rafa, but he still has to do it in a really big match, because those have always gone the same way. This time it may turn out differently, Nole is as hot as they come, but considering past history, to say that the 3 players you mention are a bigger risk for Nole than Rafa is just plain BS.

Corey Feldman
05-30-2011, 07:31 PM
the 3rd set of Soderling-Simon match shows precisely why Soder has no chance of beating Nadal

he's still the same as he has been for 18 months, nervous and uptight

Nadal, even is he needs it, can easily moonball a win here

sexybeast
05-30-2011, 07:39 PM
The only player to defeat Borg in Roland Garros did it twice....

I like Soderling's chanses tomorrow.

ossie
05-30-2011, 07:41 PM
flukerling will never know what hit him.

Pirata.
05-30-2011, 08:00 PM
Soderling def. Nadal 6-3, 6-2, 3-1 RET.

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 08:14 PM
Liking the poll so far. Soderling in 4 it is then. MTF is very knowledgable + everyone wants tennis and also Borgs record to also be saved from the evil lord of moonballing

Chris Kuerten
05-30-2011, 08:37 PM
Söderling will need three sets to save tennis.

Probably also the best for Nadal, saves him a 6-1 6-3 6-0 beatdown in the final.

Clay Death
05-30-2011, 08:38 PM
clay warrior in straight sets.

swedish lumberjack will not be allowed a single set.

steveo2810
05-30-2011, 08:42 PM
Soderling in 4. He will eat Nadal's short moonballs alive.

yesh222
05-30-2011, 08:42 PM
Nadal has looked very uninspired this whole tournament. Pumping himself up early in the fourth like that might have worked against Isner, but I can't see it happening against Soderling. Sod in 4.

madmax
05-30-2011, 08:44 PM
SoderKing to put Nadull out of his misery in 3

Action Jackson
05-30-2011, 08:47 PM
This place will be fun after this. Where Söderling will get an extra 80% fans for this match.

Huge chance for Toad.

SerialKillerToBe
05-30-2011, 08:47 PM
clay warrior in straight sets.

swedish lumberjack will not be allowed a single set.

Your overconfidence is your weakness.

Super Djoker
05-30-2011, 08:52 PM
clay god in 3 sets, sodalung will be left clueless on the court.......

Have u been watching Nadal? Making stacks of Errors! If he doesent lift it big time he is in the Douch!:devil:

TheRafaelNadal
05-30-2011, 08:57 PM
Soderling is going to have to play his very best tennis to get even a game against Nadal.

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 09:00 PM
Soderling is going to have to play his very best tennis to get even a game against Nadal.

nah he just have to look angry at Nadal and that little boy gives him a game

SERBINATOR
05-30-2011, 09:00 PM
Liking the poll so far. Soderling in 4 it is then. MTF is very knowledgable + everyone wants tennis and also Borgs record to also be saved from the evil lord of moonballing


Afterall Borg is the TRUE king of Clay and the record deserve to stay intact, Nadal can attain the tag of GOAT MOONBALLER!

Foxy
05-30-2011, 09:01 PM
Frogering will be brutally ripped, stuffed, fried and served.

Javier Bardem
05-30-2011, 09:04 PM
i do think soderling will win but the 3rd set vs simon wasn't too promising to me. I do think Nadal can get this one done just by moonballing. I think if Sod is on his game and serves well though he should possibly take this in 4 tight sets

Sapeod
05-30-2011, 09:05 PM
Soderling, if he plays very well, can and will win this.

Mountaindewslave
05-30-2011, 09:07 PM
you guys must be kidding me..... this poll is insane, and a majority of the comments are crazy! Soderling being a favorite given current form or past accomplishments, both he is very far behind Nadal. You all overrate Soderling, he played some great tennis the past few years at Roland Garros, but this year he has been FAR from impressive. This season, he has been far from impressive!! Do recall, Djokovic and a few lapses at the start of the season are the only times Nadal as lost this year! His game may be down from his extremely high level but it is still far beyond the majority of players.

I would be surprised if Soderling wins one set, so Nadal in 3, maybe 4. This is more realistic than delusional. I know that many of the posters on this site dream of upsets, but it would be shocking if Soderling beat Nadal. Soderling is not hitting the ball nearly as cleanly as in the past 2 years here and has had medieocre opponents thus far. Nadal in 3, maybe 4, this poll result is a joke

nsidhan
05-30-2011, 09:12 PM
i am essentially hinting about the variety that nadal possesses.......different players, different tactics.......he pounds and pounds and pounds physically weaker specimen like fed, murray, simon.......

he matches stroke by stroke against fellow (consistent)big hitters djokovic and del potro.......

likewise, he lets players like soderling self destruct......

Really? Just running around, blocking balls back = variety? Is that even Tennis? :cuckoo:

Nirjhor
05-30-2011, 09:19 PM
Soderling in 4. :)

Dyraise
05-30-2011, 09:27 PM
Hahaha, Soderling in 4?

Rafa in three, maybe in four :)

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 09:30 PM
you guys must be kidding me..... this poll is insane, and a majority of the comments are crazy! Soderling being a favorite given current form or past accomplishments, both he is very far behind Nadal. You all overrate Soderling, he played some great tennis the past few years at Roland Garros, but this year he has been FAR from impressive. This season, he has been far from impressive!! Do recall, Djokovic and a few lapses at the start of the season are the only times Nadal as lost this year! His game may be down from his extremely high level but it is still far beyond the majority of players.

I would be surprised if Soderling wins one set, so Nadal in 3, maybe 4. This is more realistic than delusional. I know that many of the posters on this site dream of upsets, but it would be shocking if Soderling beat Nadal. Soderling is not hitting the ball nearly as cleanly as in the past 2 years here and has had medieocre opponents thus far. Nadal in 3, maybe 4, this poll result is a joke

Dunno but have you even looked at Soderlings win/loss for the year. Also has 3 titles and except some tournaments with lingering leg injuries he has looked better than ever.

This year in RG pretty much all his numbers are top notch. His serve is as powerful as ever averaging 200km+ with many 220-230 serves. I'd say he also hits the ball cleanly and has broken his opponents in the opening games of pretty much every set he's played so far in RG. He his hitting winners left and right both with the FH and BH. Moves well for his height and weight.

What's so far from impressive about his current run? He has never been behind in a match. Dropped only 1 set entire tournament to a up and coming Harrison. If anything it has been to easy for him and he's looked too impressive. I'd buy that if you said it

there is some running myth among Nadalfans that Soderling is in bad form. It isn't true. Also some myth among Nadalfans that Soderling is the favorite. Not true either. Nadal is the favorite both among betting companies and the tennis world. Soderling knows this and he loves it. It's perfect for him. He gets less pressure. Nadal gets more!

Mateya
05-30-2011, 09:32 PM
Uh, I really hope Rafito finally gets pounded here...I would enjoy it very much.:devil:
He's been struggling all week and is about 70% of a player he once was.

If Soda plays as he can, it should be a repeat of 2009, with easier scoreline of course. If not, Rafito will of course grind it out with help of Soda's 150 UEs.

Can't wait for this match.
And please, don't schedule it at 7pm when the sun is about to go down. :silly:

Orka_n
05-30-2011, 09:33 PM
you guys must be kidding me..... this poll is insane, and a majority of the comments are crazy! Soderling being a favorite given current form or past accomplishments, both he is very far behind Nadal.Um, no. His current form is pretty good.
You all overrate Soderling, he played some great tennis the past few years at Roland Garros, but this year he has been FAR from impressive. This season, he has been far from impressive!!He's won 3 titles this year. Better than any previous 6 months he's had in his career. He also went further in AO than he ever has before. He doesn't have the same consistency as Nadal, of course, but he's a streaky player and when he's on, he's dangerous.
Do recall, Djokovic and a few lapses at the start of the season are the only times Nadal as lost this year! His game may be down from his extremely high level but it is still far beyond the majority of players.Nadal today didn't play much better than in R1. If Isner can take Nadal to 5, why can't Soderling? He's #5 in the rankings, remember?
I would be surprised if Soderling wins one set, so Nadal in 3, maybe 4. This is more realistic than delusional. I know that many of the posters on this site dream of upsets, but it would be shocking if Soderling beat Nadal. Soderling is not hitting the ball nearly as cleanly as in the past 2 years here and has had medieocre opponents thus far. Nadal in 3, maybe 4, this poll result is a jokeMaybe you are right, that remains to be seen. But a Soderling win is not nearly as farfetched as you make it sound, because Nadal has NOT been playing well so far in this tournament and everyone knows it.

Jomp1
05-30-2011, 09:39 PM
Neither player is in good form. Yeah Robin has had some good looks in his matches but he has been playing qualifiers and an incapable Simon. On the other hand, Rafa has struggled against players he'd normally breadstick with ease on clay..

I'm eager to see if Robin's game will stand up well at current form(if he actually HAS form), and if Rafa will rise his game to the occasion as I think he will. Could be a good match but could also be a complete snoozer.

rocketassist
05-30-2011, 09:41 PM
i am essentially hinting about the variety that nadal possesses.......different players, different tactics.......he pounds and pounds and pounds physically weaker specimen like fed, murray, simon.......

he matches stroke by stroke against fellow (consistent)big hitters djokovic and del potro.......

likewise, he lets players like soderling self destruct......

Murray often overpowers Nadal in their meetings so that's not true.

misty1
05-30-2011, 09:44 PM
nadal in 3 maybe 4

Super Djoker
05-30-2011, 09:45 PM
Nadal played like total crap in spells today!About time Nadal actually needed to play well! Ljuba did good but did,nt make enough backhands! Nadal did,nt win the match Ljubicic Lost it! Time Someone put proper pressure on Nadal again! Played like guff against everyone exept a knackerd Veic!

FerrerAndNadal
05-30-2011, 09:47 PM
MTF once again showing it's knowledge of tennis. Soderling in 4 leading by a large margin. Remember the final. How soon we forget how Rafa flushed the memories (and Soderling) down the toilet last year.

Mountaindewslave
05-30-2011, 09:57 PM
Dunno but have you even looked at Soderlings win/loss for the year. Also has 3 titles and except some tournaments with lingering leg injuries he has looked better than ever.

This year in RG pretty much all his numbers are top notch. His serve is as powerful as ever averaging 200km+ with many 220-230 serves. I'd say he also hits the ball cleanly and has broken his opponents in the opening games of pretty much every set he's played so far in RG. He his hitting winners left and right both with the FH and BH. Moves well for his height and weight.

What's so far from impressive about his current run? He has never been behind in a match. Dropped only 1 set entire tournament to a up and coming Harrison. If anything it has been to easy for him and he's looked too impressive. I'd buy that if you said it

there is some running myth among Nadalfans that Soderling is in bad form. It isn't true. Also some myth among Nadalfans that Soderling is the favorite. Not true either. Nadal is the favorite both among betting companies and the tennis world. Soderling knows this and he loves it. It's perfect for him. He gets less pressure. Nadal gets more!

it's not that there is a myth that Soderling is the favorite, it's that the poll on this very thread has Soderling at an advantage of winning, which is crazy. Really, you think Soderling has had good form this year? maybe on hard, ROTTERDAM with the draw it has? what a joke. Soderling did not show any promise at Australia and his clay court season was dismal.............. I am confused of what constitutes a good season these days? winning 250 tournaments in an attempt to keep your ranking? If that is what matters than his form IS good. but the fact remains that Soderling has not played big matches very well this year. And as far as his Roland Garros so far, his form is unarguably not as high as previous years. Losing a set to Harrison on clay? Are you aware that Harrison almost lost, actually he may have lost!, in the qualification rounds. Soderling also played a player coming back from injury (Mayer) and a player who has completely lost his form (Simon).
to say Soderling's serve is there, it still is. to say his baseline game and strokes are as good as they were this time the past few years, is a mistake.
Nadal just is a massive favorite even given his poor form of late; it is absurd that Soderling is winning this poll, and you know as well as I that the people on Mens Tennis Forums salvate over upsets. delusions point towards Soderling being in great form, but in reality he isn't.

BodyServe
05-30-2011, 10:02 PM
Dunno but have you even looked at Soderlings win/loss for the year. Also has 3 titles and except some tournaments with lingering leg injuries he has looked better than ever.

This year in RG pretty much all his numbers are top notch. His serve is as powerful as ever averaging 200km+ with many 220-230 serves. I'd say he also hits the ball cleanly and has broken his opponents in the opening games of pretty much every set he's played so far in RG. He his hitting winners left and right both with the FH and BH. Moves well for his height and weight.

What's so far from impressive about his current run? He has never been behind in a match. Dropped only 1 set entire tournament to a up and coming Harrison. If anything it has been to easy for him and he's looked too impressive. I'd buy that if you said it

there is some running myth among Nadalfans that Soderling is in bad form. It isn't true. Also some myth among Nadalfans that Soderling is the favorite. Not true either. Nadal is the favorite both among betting companies and the tennis world. Soderling knows this and he loves it. It's perfect for him. He gets less pressure. Nadal gets more!

Disagree, his matches against Nadal in 2009 and Federer in 2010 are two of his cleanest matches i have ever seen from him, and he his far from that level.
Serve is the same since 2008, maybe a tad slower but only.

your_valentine
05-30-2011, 10:04 PM
It's for Nadull to bite the dust. Show no mercy, Robin :kiss:

Mountaindewslave
05-30-2011, 10:05 PM
Um, no. His current form is pretty good.
He's won 3 titles this year. Better than any previous 6 months he's had in his career. He also went further in AO than he ever has before. He doesn't have the same consistency as Nadal, of course, but he's a streaky player and when he's on, he's dangerous.
Nadal today didn't play much better than in R1. If Isner can take Nadal to 5, why can't Soderling? He's #5 in the rankings, remember?
Maybe you are right, that remains to be seen. But a Soderling win is not nearly as farfetched as you make it sound, because Nadal has NOT been playing well so far in this tournament and everyone knows it.


there's no arguing that Soderling is a great player when he finds his game, but a Nadal at healthy level very easily beat Soderling in last year's final. Nadal injured (which followed by him not defending Wimbeldon and being out of the tour for months) brought Soderling to 4 sets...... logically speaking how could a Nadal is who healthy but just not as confident as he was in the past (a bit because it has been exxagerated and Nadal has only lost to mega talented Djokovic) on clay, not be favorite?
his round 1 opponent played a great match, that should not be ignored. if you are truly trying to say Nadal has not improved whatsoever since the first round than i think maybe you have just been following the live scores and not watching the matches.

it's possible that Soderling could win, but the comments on here make it seem as though he is the favorite, and I do not think he will get a set. The problem with the arguments for upset are, although Nadal is not at his finest, Soderling has been FAR from his best this entire season...........

SerialKillerToBe
05-30-2011, 10:05 PM
it's not that there is a myth that Soderling is the favorite, it's that the poll on this very thread has Soderling at an advantage of winning, which is crazy. Really, you think Soderling has had good form this year? maybe on hard, ROTTERDAM with the draw it has? what a joke. Soderling did not show any promise at Australia and his clay court season was dismal.............. I am confused of what constitutes a good season these days? winning 250 tournaments in an attempt to keep your ranking? If that is what matters than his form IS good. but the fact remains that Soderling has not played big matches very well this year. And as far as his Roland Garros so far, his form is unarguably not as high as previous years. Losing a set to Harrison on clay? Are you aware that Harrison almost lost, actually he may have lost!, in the qualification rounds. Soderling also played a player coming back from injury (Mayer) and a player who has completely lost his form (Simon).
to say Soderling's serve is there, it still is. to say his baseline game and strokes are as good as they were this time the past few years, is a mistake.
Nadal just is a massive favorite even given his poor form of late; it is absurd that Soderling is winning this poll, and you know as well as I that the people on Mens Tennis Forums salvate over upsets. delusions point towards Soderling being in great form, but in reality he isn't.


Nadal lost two sets to Isner.

That's all I have to say.

romismak
05-30-2011, 10:05 PM
I think this match is pretty open, yes Rafa is still favorit, but nog big, maybe it is like 60-40 for Rafa, but important will be maybe weather, who will beter handle conditions. I can see Soderling favour in bot - sunny hot fast clay conditions, where his serve will be huge and he can hit more winners, or slow humid condition after rain, where it will be heavy and he will have more time for his massive shots and enough time to dictate game with his forehand. So who will better handle conditions will win i think. It is up to Rafa he can´t be too defensive, like in match against Nole on clay, he must took his chances and be agressive, not to thinking if i play good deffense Robin will make too many errors and loose.

Mountaindewslave
05-30-2011, 10:07 PM
MTF once again showing it's knowledge of tennis. Soderling in 4 leading by a large margin. Remember the final. How soon we forget how Rafa flushed the memories (and Soderling) down the toilet last year.

^^^this. people on this website are so swept by dreams of upsets

Mountaindewslave
05-30-2011, 10:08 PM
Nadal lost two sets to Isner.

That's all I have to say.

he has improved since the first round.......... and Isner played an unusually great match for someone who is so infamous for being a bad clay courter....

SerialKillerToBe
05-30-2011, 10:10 PM
he has improved since the first round.......... and Isner played an unusually great match for someone who is so infamous for being a bad clay courter....

Did you actually watch the match today vs. Ljubicic? Not better at all.

bokehlicious
05-30-2011, 10:11 PM
Nadal in straights, Soderling will destroy himself... :zzz:

Mountaindewslave
05-30-2011, 10:13 PM
Did you actually watch the match today vs. Ljubicic? Not better at all.

I did watch it, the second and third sets were definitely higher quality from him than in the Isner match, and I would certainly say that Isner brought more heat to the table than Ljubicic

rocketassist
05-30-2011, 10:16 PM
there's no arguing that Soderling is a great player when he finds his game, but a Nadal at healthy level very easily beat Soderling in last year's final. Nadal injured (which followed by him not defending Wimbeldon and being out of the tour for months) brought Soderling to 4 sets...... logically speaking how could a Nadal is who healthy but just not as confident as he was in the past (a bit because it has been exxagerated and Nadal has only lost to mega talented Djokovic) on clay, not be favorite?
his round 1 opponent played a great match, that should not be ignored. if you are truly trying to say Nadal has not improved whatsoever since the first round than i think maybe you have just been following the live scores and not watching the matches.

it's possible that Soderling could win, but the comments on here make it seem as though he is the favorite, and I do not think he will get a set. The problem with the arguments for upset are, although Nadal is not at his finest, Soderling has been FAR from his best this entire season...........

He was that injured he trashed Hewitt two days before that match. The only problem that day with him was the short balls he gave Soderling.

Playing the match and being on the back foot all the way through it definitely would have damaged him for the grass season, hence him not playing.

Mountaindewslave
05-30-2011, 10:25 PM
He was that injured he trashed Hewitt two days before that match. The only problem that day with him was the short balls he gave Soderling.

Playing the match and being on the back foot all the way through it definitely would have damaged him for the grass season, hence him not playing.

considering Nadal ended up not playing the grass season whatsoever, doesn't it make your argument rather irrelevent and hard to prove?

MaxPower
05-30-2011, 10:26 PM
there's no arguing that Soderling is a great player when he finds his game, but a Nadal at healthy level very easily beat Soderling in last year's final. Nadal injured (which followed by him not defending Wimbeldon and being out of the tour for months) brought Soderling to 4 sets...... logically speaking how could a Nadal is who healthy but just not as confident as he was in the past (a bit because it has been exxagerated and Nadal has only lost to mega talented Djokovic) on clay, not be favorite?
his round 1 opponent played a great match, that should not be ignored. if you are truly trying to say Nadal has not improved whatsoever since the first round than i think maybe you have just been following the live scores and not watching the matches.

it's possible that Soderling could win, but the comments on here make it seem as though he is the favorite, and I do not think he will get a set. The problem with the arguments for upset are, although Nadal is not at his finest, Soderling has been FAR from his best this entire season...........

Does it matter who is the favorite? I already said that he isn't the favorite except in the MTF world. What we think and write here isn't "truth" it is often opinions. Many that have seen Rafa play in RG and seen Sod play in RG obviously think Soderling has showed a higher level. What is the problem with that? Past accomplishments doesn't win matches anyway. Soderling wont think "boohoo Nadal has won this tournament so many times I must lose". He will play the game one point at a time.

Like all the people saying Soderling is in horrible form and isn't hitting the ball cleanly sure it is your opinion. I have seen Soderling play in almost every tournament this year and I say he is in excellent shape here in RG and is hitting the ball is clean as ever. The pace of his shots is even slightly higher and his new coach Rosengren seems to have polished some details in his game.

Soderling has one of the best records in deciding sets the last 52 weeks of all players on the entire tour. Look it up on the ATP site. He has been very mentally strong when matches have been on the line. Only one he lost was the one in Australian Open. It was still the best AO in his career. Usually Soderling doesn't cry after problems/injuries like Rafa or do lame timeouts and grimaces like Rafa did vs Ferrer when he went out in AO. They have very different personalities and Soderling can take his losses like a man. Nadal has been running his injury thing for so long now that he cant use it anymore or media and other players make fun of him.

NJ88
05-30-2011, 10:27 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Soderling upset Nadal in the quater final. He's playing well at the moment and Nadal isn't. He's done it before and I think he can do it again. I'm hoping but not exactly expecting a Soderling win.

rafa_maniac
05-30-2011, 10:30 PM
Nightmare for Rafa. Playing the way he is and with his confidence so low the last guy he wants to face here is the only one to ever beat him. Soderling isn't playing lights out by any means, but he won't have to, Rafa looks like he'd be happy to go home at the moment. Soda in 3.

Roadmap
05-30-2011, 10:41 PM
Soderling to make the pig sweat even more than usual but I fear MOONBALLER to win in 4 sets. NADULL will raise his game. I think only Djokovic can save TENNIS in the final. Murray doesn't have the forehand or fitness.

Vida
05-30-2011, 10:52 PM
an incredible twist this year, that nadal is like somehow, definitely, "low on confidence". I dont buy it that much - rafa in 3 or 4.

freeandlonely
05-30-2011, 11:24 PM
Why the hell Soderling in 4 is leading:sad:

Soderling in 3:sobbing:

Snowwy
05-30-2011, 11:29 PM
Soderling in 2. They won't play the third set, he will just be too good.

Honestly though, the thing that is different this time around, shown by this thread is that people expect Robin to win (at least some people) and there wasn't that or any pressure on Robin in 2009. We will see how that affects his play.

Orka_n
05-30-2011, 11:37 PM
And if I should falterrrr
would you open your arms out to meee
we could make love not waaar

x34icYC8zA0

http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae311/Orka_n/SoderlingNadal.jpg

Chase Visa
05-30-2011, 11:41 PM
2009: Soderling defeated the defending champ and #1 seed Rafael Nadal, in 4.
2010: Soderling defeated the defending champ and #1 seed Roger Federer, in 4.
2011: The same thing? I tend to think so.

freeandlonely
05-30-2011, 11:48 PM
http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae311/Orka_n/SoderlingNadal.jpg

They both sucked.:lol:

Orka_n
05-30-2011, 11:50 PM
:D

What will it be...

w7RSUy5V5QM

or

g8KteuP_N9I

rocketassist
05-30-2011, 11:51 PM
One of the greatest days in MTF history. Loved it.

Certinfy
05-30-2011, 11:54 PM
The thing about last year's final is Robin let Rafa get on top early on, had he not done that I do think it could have been a different story.

Johnny Groove
05-31-2011, 12:01 AM
Damn, I cannot wait for this one.

Dank. Daaaaank matchup.

Rafa 44.6% to win, Soderling at 55.4%.

Even the experts of MTF don't know who will win.

MIMIC
05-31-2011, 12:04 AM
I haven't seen Soderling play much but Nadal has been below his average game for most of the tournament. Soderling might have a chance if he doesn't find a way to step it up.

I'll say Soderling in 3 very, very close sets. But honestly, I think this could go either way.

BodyServe
05-31-2011, 12:05 AM
One of the greatest days in MTF history. Loved it.

Why one?

It was THE greatest day in MTF history.

Sophocles
05-31-2011, 12:07 AM
It's a little bit odd Soderling is leading the poll.

Orka_n
05-31-2011, 12:08 AM
It's a little bit odd Soderling is leading the poll.Nah. MTF posters vote with their hearts more than anything. :)

Certinfy
05-31-2011, 12:13 AM
It's a little bit odd Soderling is leading the poll.
Given the way Nadal has played, I wouldn't even be surprised if Federer was leading this poll.

missvarsha
05-31-2011, 12:14 AM
Nadal will not drop a set for the rest of the tournament.
Heck, he probably won't even drop serve.

abraxas21
05-31-2011, 12:15 AM
nadal in 3 sets

abraxas21
05-31-2011, 12:15 AM
It's a little bit odd Soderling is leading the poll.

not really. you're in MTF.

finishingmove
05-31-2011, 12:17 AM
Given the way Nadal has played, I wouldn't even be surprised if Federer was leading this poll.

:haha:

anyway, i think there's too much expectation from soderling here, so i think he will succumb to the pressure ultimately.

if he were good, he could beat a decent rafa but when they're both in lousy form rafa has the edge.

KarlyM
05-31-2011, 12:31 AM
I really don't know what to expect from this one. I'll go with Rafa in 5 after being 2 sets down. :confused:

alfonsojose
05-31-2011, 12:35 AM
Sadly, Nadal in 4. Ljubicic's movement on clay is a mess and still Pocahontas was making tons of errors :lol: But Soderling will outchoke him badly.

yesh222
05-31-2011, 12:55 AM
Fun fact (didn't read the whole thread so apologize if someone mentioned this already): Soderling has beaten the Wrold #1 at Roland Garros for two straight years. I say he makes it a third.

Sunset of Age
05-31-2011, 01:16 AM
Judging on what I've seen from both players in the past couple of days, Söderling should get the odds - if it weren't for his opponent being a 5-times RG champion (never ever count out a multiple-times champion :o), a mental giant who will give his ALL to grind out the win, even if his level of playing is totally sub-par (which it has been so far). Even the more because I've seen quite a few drops in concentration by Sod today - which didn't matter all too much against Simon, but it will be a complete different story when playing against Rafa!

Söderling in three or four, or Rafa in five. Quite a toss-up.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 01:34 AM
lets get the truth out. he has won his last 6 finals at slams on all surfaces.

would you really---in your heart of hearts---bet against the clay warrior in a best of 5 sets final at roland garros?

are you that certain that the great serbian slayer will lift the trophy on sunday?

and what about fed? is he chopped liver now?

what if he manages to derail nole in the semis?

tennizen
05-31-2011, 01:36 AM
Nadal in 3.

Nadal's supposed poor form is just to lull Nole into a false sense of confidence for the final.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 01:37 AM
"soderling in 3" or "rafa in five".

right.

that makes a lot of bloody sense.


if you cant predict then dont predict.

Sunset of Age
05-31-2011, 01:42 AM
"soderling in 3" or "rafa in five".

right.

that makes a lot of bloody sense.

Yes it does. For the sole reason that Rafa is the player with the best stamina, whereas Sod is the player who's level of playing is better right now - if not for his inconsistency, which might kill him eventually as Rafa will jump at any chance he gets, in contrary to Simon today. Why is that so hard to get?

if you cant predict then dont predict.

Nobody can, Nostradamus.

yesh222
05-31-2011, 01:48 AM
It depends on who he plays. I would definitely bet against him not winning the tournament right now if Murray beats Troicki and looks healthy. I think Soderling then Murray then Nole is too much for anyone right now.

solowyn
05-31-2011, 01:50 AM
If Nadal faces Djokovic in the final, I would bet my rent on Nole. And I rarely bet against Nadal.

SerialKillerToBe
05-31-2011, 01:51 AM
If he manages to reach the final convincingly then he will be favorite. If he has trouble beating Soderling or Murray then he will have even more trouble against Djokovic. Assuming those guys are the opponents.

MayerFan
05-31-2011, 01:52 AM
It depends on the odds...

Getta
05-31-2011, 01:56 AM
CD, the bad vibes of your nervous-making dramatics make me fearful and yucky inside.

i'm a Nadal fan.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 01:59 AM
he is not playing his next 3 matches in 3 days.

a tough match against murray will do him a world of good actually.

i am giving soderling zero chance. he will be dismissed in 3 sets. i can see a set lost at best while the clay warrior finds his range and rhythm.

zlaja777
05-31-2011, 01:59 AM
Oops, according to MTF Rafael is the underdog vs. Soderling. Thats strange.

Seingeist
05-31-2011, 02:00 AM
:haha:

anyway, i think there's too much expectation from soderling here, so i think he will succumb to the pressure ultimately.

if he were good, he could beat a decent rafa but when they're both in lousy form rafa has the edge.

I agree with this. Soderling seldom handles pressure well, and blowing 6 match points against Simon does not do much to convince me that Soderling has the mental fortitude to put Nadal away once he gets close.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 02:02 AM
CD, the bad vibes of your nervous-making dramatics make me fearful and yucky inside.

i'm a Nadal fan.


no dramatics here.

i am calling it like i see it.

i dont think anybody is going to be able to derail the clay warrior in a best of 5 sets final on clay.

its just not that easy.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 02:03 AM
again soderling has ZERO chance. he is done.

Orka_n
05-31-2011, 02:08 AM
Yes hercules, we got it.

http://gototennis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rafael_nadal_loses_french_open.jpg

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 02:16 AM
Yes hercules, we got it.

http://gototennis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rafael_nadal_loses_french_open.jpg


actually you dont quite get it.

ask soderling what happens to him when nadal is healthy.


he is clearly grimacing in pain in this pic but i guess you were watching some other sport.

which one was it? was it mud diving or underwater chess?

Johnny Groove
05-31-2011, 02:18 AM
How can you be so confident of a Nadal victory, CD?

He is playing shitty this event.

cajuntennis
05-31-2011, 02:20 AM
nadal in 4

asmaridis
05-31-2011, 02:20 AM
The first real test for Nadal. He's been handed a ridiculously easy draw up to this point. Soderling is not in good form so I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal takes the win. But if Murray can manage to stay fit (and quit his moaning and limping which will never seem to stop), he can certainly take Nadal out. In any case, the Djoker has to take Fed out, or else Nadal is back as favorite if he does reach the final. Now Djokovic has a few days of rest. Use them wisely, save your energy, take out Federer, win RG, get to #1, and break McEnroe's record. Time to mark your name in history :)

Orka_n
05-31-2011, 02:21 AM
actually you dont quite get it.

ask soderling what happens to him when nadal is healthy.

he is clearly grimacing in pain in this pic but i guess you were watching some other sport.

which one was it? was it mud diving or underwater chess?He's grimacing because he just fell over, ace.

Mimi
05-31-2011, 02:45 AM
How can you be so confident of a Nadal victory, CD?

He is playing shitty this event.

yeah, too optimistic, rafa has no confidence, even hit many uncharateristic enforced errors against the older Ivan, i think Soldering is going to blow him out of the court in 3 sets:rolleyes:

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 02:46 AM
He's grimacing because he just fell over, ace.




he will be just fine old sport.

he will take it just one match at a time.

soderling is no problem.

the problem is murray but nadal needs the preparation and the test just before the final anyway.

a guy like nadal can win on clay in a best of 5 sets foremat while playing at just 65% capacity if he can pocket the key points.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 02:48 AM
How can you be so confident of a Nadal victory, CD?

He is playing shitty this event.


best of 5.

and its on clay.

and its roland garros.

he fights in the final.


one other thing: has he lost yet?

fast_clay
05-31-2011, 02:51 AM
nadal is in deep sh!t

Mimi
05-31-2011, 02:51 AM
best of 5.

and its on clay.

and its roland garros.

he fights in the final.


one other thing: has he lost yet?

please don't jinx him and over-confident, i am afraid you may need to hide from posting for a few weeks after the match :fiery: :banghead: :fiery: :banghead:

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 02:53 AM
why would i hide mimi.


i am predicting a nadal win in the final and i am standing by my prediction.

careergrandslam
05-31-2011, 02:59 AM
start da game, topspindoctor, clay death have all lost their minds.

nadal is done.

Snowwy
05-31-2011, 03:02 AM
start da game, topspindoctor, clay death have all lost their minds.

nadal is done.

You have to admire that they stick with their player through thick and thin, unlike the majority of MTF who bandwagon the top player of the week.

Mimi
05-31-2011, 03:03 AM
why would i hide mimi.


i am predicting a nadal win in the final and i am standing by my prediction.

you also predicted that he would win the AO 11, and see what was happening? :mad:

Mimi
05-31-2011, 03:06 AM
start da game, topspindoctor, clay death have all lost their minds.

nadal is done.
yeah :fiery:

Sunset of Age
05-31-2011, 03:09 AM
You have to admire that they stick with their player through thick and thin, unlike the majority of MTF who bandwagon the top player of the week.

Does 'making delusional claims' equal to 'sticking to your player' in your point of view? One can be a fan of a player without thinking that said player is a forever unbeatable god or something the like... even more, I find that line of thinking quite scary.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 03:29 AM
Does 'making delusional claims' equal to 'sticking to your player' in your point of view? One can be a fan of a player without thinking that said player is a forever unbeatable god or something the like... even more, I find that line of thinking quite scary.

i find liars and hypocrites quite scary.

cheap glory hunters are a fairly useless breed. you can smell them from a mile away.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 03:30 AM
you also predicted that he would win the AO 11, and see what was happening? :mad:

the blundering buffoon would not get off the court in doha mimi. even when he was sicker than a dog.

when illness and injury strikes, all bets are off.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 03:32 AM
start da game, topspindoctor, clay death have all lost their minds.

nadal is done.


so if we go by that line of reasoning, every single player who is not #1 is "done".

right?


why even bother watching the bloody sport.

abraxas21
05-31-2011, 03:33 AM
please don't jinx him

the fact that you think others are 'jinxing' rafa's chances with their predictions, indicates that deep down you actually think nadal can win RG. if you were sure nadal won't win it, you'd not be so adamant to put down others for 'jinxing' rafito because their jinxing wouldn't make a difference anyway.

there's no such thing as jinxing anyhow...

Mimi
05-31-2011, 03:35 AM
the blundering buffoon would not get off the court in doha mimi. even when he was sicker than a dog.

when illness and injury strikes, all bets are off.

he looked tired, listless and without passion, no fighting spirits at all and making lots of errors :eek:

Mimi
05-31-2011, 03:37 AM
the fact that you think others are 'jinxing' rafa's chances with their predictions, indicates that deep down you actually think nadal can win RG. if you were sure nadal won't win it, you'd not be so adamant to put down others for 'jinxing' rafito.

there's no such thing as jinxing anyhow...

in the past, may be yes. But this time, no. I really thought he will lose before final, and the real thing is, i don't want my fellow rafa fans to look foolish for making a bold prediction but failed, i wanted to save their faces:p

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 03:40 AM
the fact that you think others are 'jinxing' rafa's chances with their predictions, indicates that deep down you actually think nadal can win RG. if you were sure nadal won't win it, you'd not be so adamant to put down others for 'jinxing' rafito because their jinxing wouldn't make a difference anyway.

there's no such thing as jinxing anyhow...


she is not bothering or putting down anybody mate. leave her alone.

she can bother me all she wants. she happens to be a friend of mine.

abraxas21
05-31-2011, 03:40 AM
in the past, may be yes. But this time, no. I really thought he will lose before final, and the real thing is, i don't want my fellow rafa fans to look foolish for making a bold prediction but failed, i wanted to save their faces:p

bollocks.

you directly criticized them for jinxing him (those were your words) and if you believe that then it's evident that you believe in rafa's chances to win RG. Don't deny it.

it's silly to think that what one might say in a messsageboard might have repercusions in the outcome of a real match played in France anyway. there's no need to believe in these superstitions.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 03:41 AM
he looked tired, listless and without passion, no fighting spirits at all and making lots of errors :eek:


i know mimi. he had 12 unforced errors alone in the first set.

lets just get in the final.

and then fight. fight is all he can do and all he has ever done.

Mimi
05-31-2011, 03:46 AM
bollocks.

you directly criticized them for jinxing him (those were your words) and if you believe that then it's evident that you believe in rafa's chances to win RG. Don't deny it.

it's silly to think that what one might say in a messsageboard might have repercusions in the outcome of a real match played in France anyway. there's no need to believe in these superstitions.

may be you are right but the main reason is that i always loved to stay low-profile :cool:

abraxas21
05-31-2011, 03:47 AM
may be you are right but the main reason is that i always loved to stay low-profile :cool:

okay, fair enough.

i'm not looking for a fight here... it's just that the belief in jinxing has surprised me a bit, but i can understand where it comes from. i'll leave it at that.

regards

Mjau!
05-31-2011, 03:49 AM
actually you dont quite get it.

ask soderling what happens to him when nadal is healthy.


he is clearly grimacing in pain in this pic but i guess you were watching some other sport.

which one was it? was it mud diving or underwater chess?

Nadal is playing worse than he did in 2009 :wavey:

Gladiator
05-31-2011, 03:49 AM
Nadal will win, and in 3 :)

Hoping for epic final

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 03:52 AM
Nadal is playing worse than he did in 2009 :wavey:


yes he is still struggling to find his range and his rhythm.


he will fight on anyway.


and i dont see anybody stopping him. he just needs to raise his level by about 4% in his next match and i think he will do it.

he will need to be slightly better than that against murray.

Okram04
05-31-2011, 04:02 AM
Wow, is this poll result right? Bookies will celebrate today. I think Rafa in 3 or 4 sets.

BigJohn
05-31-2011, 04:30 AM
Some pretty melodramatic posts and over the top comments in here. The last few pages could be the dialogues in a telenovela.

Roadmap
05-31-2011, 04:43 AM
This is end of road for NADULL.

Clay Death
05-31-2011, 04:55 AM
more like the end of your prayers Roadmap.

so what will you do after nadal destroys soderling?

Mr. Oracle
05-31-2011, 04:59 AM
why does soderling toss the ball so high before he bludgeons it?

Mr. Oracle
05-31-2011, 05:03 AM
rafa will school this snow loving viking on the clay death.

yesh222
05-31-2011, 05:05 AM
I thought I was going out on a limb for saying Sod in 4, but apparently the majority agrees with that.

LinkMage
05-31-2011, 05:20 AM
Nadull in 4. :zzz:

Soderling will probably come out on fire like in Wimbledon last year when he should have destroyed Piggy easily, but then mug out and lose in 4. :o

FlameOn
05-31-2011, 05:33 AM
Robin in 4. Rafa's been playing pretty badly and he won't get away with it against Robin. :smoke:

Deivid23
05-31-2011, 06:09 AM
If Nadal plays the same as he did these past matches, he will be hammered.

Stefanos13
05-31-2011, 06:52 AM
yes he is still struggling to find his range and his rhythm.


he will fight on anyway.


and i dont see anybody stopping him. he just needs to raise his level by about 4% in his next match and i think he will do it.

he will need to be slightly better than that against murray.

But does he want to do it? That's the question. Against Ljubicic he looked as if he didn't even want to be there. Also, during his interview he said "I have no obligation to win here for the 6th time..." The fire is not there...

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-31-2011, 07:05 AM
Nadal 6-4 6-2 6-2. You all should have listened to Start the game. This is where Nadal always ups his level. This is where he lays down his marker. Now things will get interesting as the tourney reaches boiling point. Nadal vs Djokovic. Poised to be not only the most anticipated clay match of all time but the best.

careergrandslam
05-31-2011, 07:29 AM
nadal has about 48 hours left at 2011 Roland Garros.

the countdown is on for the elimination of one of the greatest clay court players the world has ever seen.

its been a great ride rafa.
enjoyed every second of this incredible journey.

2005-2011 King of Clay Rafael Nadal

Thankyou for the memories!

Mimi
05-31-2011, 08:10 AM
nadal has about 48 hours left at 2011 Roland Garros.

the countdown is on for the elimination of one of the greatest clay court players the world has ever seen.

its been a great ride rafa.
enjoyed every second of this incredible journey.

2005-2011 King of Clay Rafael Nadal

Thankyou for the memories!

lets transfer our worries to cheers for Rafa instead

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Turquoise
05-31-2011, 08:12 AM
Nadal is not playing his best tennis, but I believe he will beat Soderling a lot easier than most people think. The King of Clay always finds a way to raise his level when he needs to.

Sonja1989
05-31-2011, 08:12 AM
Hard match for Rafa, Soderling's first serve percentage has been very good so far. Hopefully he will solve to it and wins in four sets. He needs better play than he showed at RG.

Topspin Forehand
05-31-2011, 08:22 AM
Vamos Rafa! I hope he gets his act together and fights harder for this. I guess it won't be the worst thing in the world if he lost but it will give him some confidence to know he can still bring it. I'm glad that he won the US Open first before this downer for a year.

Topspindoctor
05-31-2011, 08:26 AM
Vamos Rafa! I hope he gets his act together and fights harder for this. I guess it won't be the worst thing in the world if he lost but it will give him some confidence to know he can still bring it. I'm glad that he won the US Open first before this downer for a year.

He won USO too early. After getting CGS, he seems not to give a shit anymore.

careergrandslam
05-31-2011, 08:29 AM
what the hell is uncle toni doing? where is the motivation? where is the passion?

show me a freaking fist pump, give me a vamos, give me something.

he just stands there like a muppet showing no emotion.

do something.

someone needs to piss rafa off so he can get that fire back.

syc23
05-31-2011, 08:31 AM
Hopefully Rafito prevails in 4.

Johnny_Bravo
05-31-2011, 08:50 AM
wow @ the pool

i'd go and say rafinho in 4

ssin
05-31-2011, 08:52 AM
Nadal in 3 or 4

Jimnik
05-31-2011, 09:02 AM
Last two years were flukes and another Sod win will be another fluke.

Flukerking to keep fluking in four flukey sets. So Sodding flukey.

ossie
05-31-2011, 09:19 AM
flukerling will fluke max 10 games.

dombrfc
05-31-2011, 09:21 AM
Nadal in 4 LWWW

xdrewitdajx
05-31-2011, 09:21 AM
if Nadal from the first set of his last match shows up against a normal Soderling, Soderling will eat him alive. I'll say Soderling in 4 but I think he can do it in straight sets. Nadal's poor play is bound to get punished at some point, he hasn't met anyone willing to step up yet but Robin knows he can and should do it.

GSMnadal
05-31-2011, 09:23 AM
Soderling will win a set, if he plays really well, he might win 2. Rafa will win 3.

BULLZ1LLA
05-31-2011, 09:30 AM
Robin in 4. Rafa's been playing pretty badly and he won't get away with it against Robin. :smoke:

(Even in Rafa's worst performance - round one - he had 50 winners 27 unforced errors. I thought his serving in yesterday's match was the best he's served this year, I think he knows the RG balls don't suit him and he knows his serve will be the key to winning now, since he can't do what he wants off the ground with these balls)

MaxPower
05-31-2011, 09:30 AM
Pretty obvious to me that Nadal fans doesn't like Soderling. It's understandable. Nadal plays defensive moonball tennis and if you like that you won't like aggressive power tennis. He also destroyed Rafas RG streak, made him cry and withdraw for a few months just like he broke Federer the year after but the difference is that Federer is a real man and didn't bitch about it or withdraw from Wimbledon even if he clearly was suffering after the loss. It happens when Soderling rolls you over. Might as well take some months off from tennis because there is no way you win slams for the rest of the year after his demolitions.

The question with Soderling is not if he will destroy someone during the slams in 2011. The question is when. Rafito was unlucky enough to draw him and that is why he has looked bad in RG. He is simply dreading the upcoming match. In reality he didn't even want to go to QF. If he could chose he would have stayed in his bed on Wednesday.

BULLZ1LLA
05-31-2011, 09:34 AM
Pretty obvious to me that Nadal fans doesn't like Soderling. It's understandable. Nadal plays defensive moonball tennis and if you like that you won't like aggressive power tennis. He also destroyed Rafas RG streak, made him cry and withdraw for a few months just like he broke Federer the year after but the difference is that Federer is a real man and didn't bitch about it or withdraw from Wimbledon even if he clearly was suffering after the loss. It happens when Soderling rolls you over. Might as well take some months off from tennis because there is no way you win slams for the rest of the year after his demolitions.

The question with Soderling is not if he will destroy someone during the slams in 2011. The question is when. Rafito was unlucky enough to draw him and that is why he has looked bad in RG. He is simply dreading the upcoming match. In reality he didn't even want to go to QF. If he could chose he would have stayed in his bed on Wednesday.

(Even Soderling's best was only good enough to beat Rafa in a 4th set tie-breaker. If Rafa had won that tie-breaker he probably would have won the 5th set. So it's not like Soderling's best is good enough to thrash Rafa on anything, plus it seems to require Rafa hitting the ball very short as he was in 2009)

Certinfy
05-31-2011, 09:47 AM
(Even Soderling's best was only good enough to beat Rafa in a 4th set tie-breaker. If Rafa had won that tie-breaker he probably would have won the 5th set. So it's not like Soderling's best is good enough to thrash Rafa on anything, plus it seems to require Rafa hitting the ball very short as he was in 2009)
When Rafa fans say that Soderling played his best against Nadal in that match it's utter bullshit. Soderling just went for winners non stop taking the shit out of the ball, he made about the same number of unforced errors as winners that much. He played incredibly well but to say he played his best is stupid, his game has evolved a lot now, he can keep in rallies much longer, go to the net more and what not, if he executes this all well I don't see Rafa even having a chance of winning.

DanaKz
05-31-2011, 09:47 AM
Please. Robin was broken by Harrison, Ramos and Simon. Nadal will win it, no doubt.

oranges
05-31-2011, 09:51 AM
Please. Robin was broken by Harrison, Ramos and Simon. Nadal will win it, no doubt.

Whereas Nadal has shown breath-taking tennis :lol:

Certinfy
05-31-2011, 09:53 AM
Whereas Nadal has shown breath-taking tennis :lol:
Sure has, you don't win epics against Isner by not playing breath-taking tennis, or at least Mahut would tell you that :rolleyes:

Commander Data
05-31-2011, 09:53 AM
Sod will take this in 4. the Sod is good on this courts and nadal is burned out.

xdrewitdajx
05-31-2011, 09:55 AM
because being broken by someone in a match you won indicates future success. Let's stick with that logic:

fact: Nadal was broken by John Isner. And Andujar. Multiple times. And Veic. Multiple times. And Ljubicic. Multiple times.

conclusion: Nadal has no chance?

oranges
05-31-2011, 09:56 AM
Sure has, you don't win epics against Isner by not playing breath-taking tennis, or at least Mahut would tell you that :rolleyes:

This is a curious clown mode even for you ;)

bokehlicious
05-31-2011, 09:59 AM
http://www.sports.fr/images/200922/soderling_nadal.jpg

BULLZ1LLA
05-31-2011, 10:01 AM
When Rafa fans say that Soderling played his best against Nadal in that match it's utter bullshit. Soderling just went for winners non stop taking the shit out of the ball, he made about the same number of unforced errors as winners that much. He played incredibly well but to say he played his best is stupid, his game has evolved a lot now, he can keep in rallies much longer, go to the net more and what not, if he executes this all well I don't see Rafa even having a chance of winning.

(What was Soderling doing in the 2010 RG Final? It's probably the 2nd most lopsided GS Final of Rafa's career, and most would say Soderling isn't playing as well this year as he was in 2010)

Certinfy
05-31-2011, 10:02 AM
(What was Soderling doing in the 2010 RG Final? It's probably the 2nd most lopsided GS Final of Rafa's career)
Soderling was stupidly awful in last year's final, not denying Rafa played well but Soderling was :help: :tape:

Considering how Robin has played his last 2 finals here since this is a QF match I do believe it's much more of an advantage for him as well.

cocrcici
05-31-2011, 10:03 AM
Nadal 100%

MaxPower
05-31-2011, 10:04 AM
how come so many Rafa-fans desperately want to believe that Sod has been unimpressive, is in bad form, got broken by a mug or what not. Why aren't you talking about your hero instead?

If that is true about Sod it only makes a potential Soderling win even more impressive. Almost career ending impressive. Because if bad form Soderling takes out Nadal imagine what good form Soderling would to do him.

If you actually were clever people you would hype Soderling up instead. How awesome he has looked etc etc. Then you could get away if he loses. Now you are forced to make up an excuse instead if he loses. Like "he was injured, he was sad, uncle toni had been angry with him, a ballboy misplaced his water bottle" or whatever good Nadal excuses there are.

BULLZ1LLA
05-31-2011, 10:43 AM
how come so many Rafa-fans desperately want to believe that Sod has been unimpressive, is in bad form, got broken by a mug or what not. Why aren't you talking about your hero instead?

If that is true about Sod it only makes a potential Soderling win even more impressive. Almost career ending impressive. Because if bad form Soderling takes out Nadal imagine what good form Soderling would to do him.

If you actually were clever people you would hype Soderling up instead. How awesome he has looked etc etc. Then you could get away if he loses. Now you are forced to make up an excuse instead if he loses. Like "he was injured, he was sad, uncle toni had been angry with him, a ballboy misplaced his water bottle" or whatever good Nadal excuses there are.

(I think Soderling's best form isn't good enough to beat Rafa. Rafa figured him out, he knows how to draw errors from him. He did the same to Cilic and Tsonga)

Sophocles
05-31-2011, 10:46 AM
how come so many Rafa-fans desperately want to believe that Sod has been unimpressive, is in bad form, got broken by a mug or what not. Why aren't you talking about your hero instead?

If that is true about Sod it only makes a potential Soderling win even more impressive. Almost career ending impressive. Because if bad form Soderling takes out Nadal imagine what good form Soderling would to do him.

If you actually were clever people you would hype Soderling up instead. How awesome he has looked etc etc. Then you could get away if he loses. Now you are forced to make up an excuse instead if he loses. Like "he was injured, he was sad, uncle toni had been angry with him, a ballboy misplaced his water bottle" or whatever good Nadal excuses there are.

Nadulltards are very immature. Most of them are probably under 16.

Topspindoctor
05-31-2011, 10:50 AM
Nadulltards are very immature. Most of them are probably under 16.

Well, looking at some of your posts, your brain capacity is also somewhere near teenager level despite being an old fart. I'd say that's much worse.

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-31-2011, 10:59 AM
robin can win this one
but so can rafa
but rafa look so unsure of his play making errors with his fh which he never does
dont get it

Ben.
05-31-2011, 11:04 AM
Nadulltards are very immature. Most of them are probably under 16.

You quote one of the most immature posts in the thread and then bitch about Nadulltards? :confused:

Sophocles
05-31-2011, 11:07 AM
You quote one of the most immature posts in the thread and then bitch about Nadulltards? :confused:

What was immature about that post?

aironet
05-31-2011, 11:20 AM
I think Soderling can win this match in 4 or 5 sets but my gut says Nadal will win in 5 sets. 6-3 4-6 7-6 2-6 6-3

BigJohn
05-31-2011, 11:21 AM
rafa rafa hes our man if he cant do it no one can

Weird way to put it, since if Rafa can't do it, the guy who beat him surely can, no?

BULLZ1LLA
05-31-2011, 11:21 AM
(Rafa 6-4 6-2 6-4)

Foxy
05-31-2011, 11:27 AM
If Rafa reaches the semis he is going to town. No doubt about that. This is the final for him. Vamos!

careergrandslam
05-31-2011, 11:30 AM
i think rafa has girl problems.

which explains his lack of motivation.

BULLZ1LLA
05-31-2011, 11:33 AM
i think rafa has girl problems.

which explains his lack of motivation.

(Yeah but it's all talk, he's clearly trying to get inside Djokovic's head. When you watch Rafa's matches you see a very psyched-up player, looks very aggressive on the court, and I've never seen him do more fist-pumps in one set than in the 3rd set of the 2nd round when he was coming back from 1-5 down to win)

careergrandslam
05-31-2011, 11:43 AM
i bet a girl is involved in some way, shape or form.

something is bothering him, his mind is in lala land, not on a tennis match.

xisca better not have done something to our rafa.
in 2009 it was his parents.

bokehlicious
05-31-2011, 11:46 AM
i bet a girl is involved in some way, shape or form.

something is bothering him, his mind is in lala land, not on a tennis match.

xisca better not have done something to our rafa.
in 2009 it was his parents.

Hahah never too early to get the excuses ready, raftards never disappoint...

Ben.
05-31-2011, 11:52 AM
What was immature about that post?

Either it was meant to antagonise or the poster really does buy into staples of the tard war, delusion and excuses. I just wish everyone was more willing to call people on their nonsense regradless of their favourite player, instead we have otherwise sensible posters encouraging the idiots.

Sophocles
05-31-2011, 11:57 AM
Either it was meant to antagonise or the poster really does buy into staples of the tard war, delusion and excuses. I just wish everyone was more willing to call people on their nonsense regradless of their favourite player, instead we have otherwise sensible posters encouraging the idiots.

No, he's right: there is a section of the Rafatard brigade that behaves differently from most ordinary sports fans, who are prepared for disappointment & manage their expectations accordingly. Instead, these people continually hype up Nadal's chances with no apparent worry about making fools of themselves.

Sham Kay
05-31-2011, 12:22 PM
Looking at things seriously.. Soderling doesn't have a chance in hell.

Nadal in 3, but man, it it would be nice if Soderling proved me wrong.

Sham Kay
05-31-2011, 12:31 PM
So I guess from now on any Nadal loss will be a cause of "lack of motivation" .. very impressive. At least you guys finally found an excuse that has nothing to do with illness or injury, and is practically impossible to disprove.

Nadal and religion go hand in hand.

MaxPower
05-31-2011, 02:56 PM
Looking at things seriously.. Soderling doesn't have a chance in hell.

Nadal in 3, but man, it it would be nice if Soderling proved me wrong.

Why wouldn't he have a chance in hell? Only man to beat Nadal in RG. That gives you at least one chance in hell.

Nadal in yet another Final turns the red clay of Paris into the fiery pits of hell anyway. Only Soderling can save us from evil like that

Nabster
05-31-2011, 03:28 PM
Lol. It has nothing to do with a girl.

It's the new balls. They're much harder than they used to be. Thus, they spin much less. It's harder for Rafa to control.

And Soderling has a good chance at beating Rafa if he plays well. Soderling is prone to going of the boil, like he did at the end of the Simone match.

CescAndyKimi
05-31-2011, 03:42 PM
If Soder is in full ball bashing mode and turned on forehand, Nadal could be out.