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Is 2011 Gasquet's "late bloom" year?

sexybeast
05-28-2011, 01:03 AM
In 2009 we had Soderling at Gasquet's age suddenly playing like a top 5 player in Roland Garros. In 2010 it was Berdych at Gasquet's age of 25 suddenly playing great tennis in Miami and later in Roland Garros and peaking at Wimbledon.

Is Gasquet finally going to have his breakthrough at the latebloomer age of 25?

I really look forward to see what he can do against Djokovic/Del Potro and later even more curious to see what kind of tennis he will produce in Wimbledon.

Clay Death
05-28-2011, 01:06 AM
gasquet will do well at wimbledon. he just needs a kind draw there.

tennishero
05-28-2011, 01:08 AM
he already had his breakthrough in 07. maybe he can break into the top 10 again at best, but his forehand is a weakness

yuri27
05-28-2011, 01:09 AM
I think we'll have to wait for Wimbledon in his case.
That's really the Grand Slam where he can do something very big in the future.
Anyone who has watched this guy play on grass know that he's got the game to win some big things on that surface.
Will he do it?? that's the question....
It would be good for him to not miss Wimbledon for the third consecutive year for a beginning!

sexybeast
05-28-2011, 01:11 AM
he already had his breakthrough in 07. maybe he can break into the top 10 again at best, but his forehand is a weakness

Berdych also had his breakthrough way before 2010, but the real breakthrough when you beat the big guns and go to finals of grand slams is another story.

The top 10 doesnt mean much today, even Almagro was in the top 10. I am not talking about Gasquet entering the top 10, I am talking about Gasquet reaching Wimbledon final or some other truly great feat.

tennishero
05-28-2011, 01:14 AM
Berdych also had his breakthrough way before 2010, but the real breakthrough when you beat the big guns and go to finals of grand slams is another story.

The top 10 doesnt mean much today, even Almagro was in the top 10. I am not talking about Gasquet entering the top 10, I am talking about Gasquet reaching Wimbledon final or some other truly great feat.

berdych reached a final and semi, gasquet reached a semi that year.

tbh hes not good enough to reach the finals, mentally hes not great, his forehand is flaky and his endurance has always been an issue.

yuri27
05-28-2011, 01:16 AM
berdych reached a final and semi, gasquet reached a semi that year.

tbh hes not good enough to reach the finals, mentally hes not great, his forehand is flaky and his endurance has always been an issue.

His FH has definitely improved in the last few months,you can't deny that.
The only BIG question mark remains his fitness......but on grass for example,that's less of an issue.

And you think the guy on the following videos is not good enough to reach a Wimbledon's final at some point?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvl9s4IXmrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqW-G7rK-I0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdgHnJew2bc&feature=related

sexybeast
05-28-2011, 01:20 AM
berdych reached a final and semi, gasquet reached a semi that year.

tbh hes not good enough to reach the finals, mentally hes not great, his forehand is flaky and his endurance has always been an issue.

People have always been laughting at Berdych. I remember in some other forum someone mentioned Berdych would be a top 10 player at the end of the year 2010 and people laughted.

I would say all players have a certain potential but some require more time to mature or to find the right rythm in their lifes.

Gasquet is at the same age of Berdych 2010 and Soderling 2009 but I have to say his potential as a tennis player is superior to both. So there is no fun in saying something after it has happened, so far you are right, Gasquet hasnt shown to have the mentality to reach finals of grand slams. But I belive he has matured a little bit as a person and that forehand is better than I have seen in a long time.

romismak
05-28-2011, 01:39 AM
I donīt think Gasquet will have similar year that Soderling or Berdych had. I would rather compare him to last year Fish. Berdych and Soderling just had those season far far better than anybody was expecting and reached final of major-slam. Gasquet is very talented player, and there were big expectations about his career in France, many years ago, than that drug issue and those things were too much for him to handle. How i said i will compare him to last year Fish - Gasquet will probably have great ranking, in form very dangerous but not slam contender or finalist. Yes in Wimbledon he can do well, but still i canīt see him making final with Roger, Rafa, Nole, both Andies. He has nice touch, i like his volleys, but he lack a firepower - thatīs what made Berdych and Soderling so good in those seasons, they were able to serve hard, hit powerfull forehands and so on, but Gasquet is talented player, nice to watch, but he is not strongest guy physically out there and that is the most important factor in mens tennis.

sexybeast
05-28-2011, 01:44 AM
In my book Gasquet has a great chanse to beat Murray, Djokovic or Roddick in Wimbledon. If he plays at his best I would go so far to say he is better than 50-50 against these 3 in Wimbledon.

I think Gasquet will always have a chanse against Federer and Nadal on grass, but ofcourse he is far from 50-50 against them even if they are not in their best form. Gasquet can actually find himself in the Wimbledon half of the draw without both Federer or Nadal. In any case he is a major darkhorse for Wimbledon.

yuri27
05-28-2011, 01:46 AM
I donīt think Gasquet will have similar year that Soderling or Berdych had. I would rather compare him to last year Fish. Berdych and Soderling just had those season far far better than anybody was expecting and reached final of major-slam. Gasquet is very talented player, and there were big expectations about his career in France, many years ago, than that drug issue and those things were too much for him too handle. How i said i will compare him to last year Fish - Gasquet will probably have great ranking, in form very dangerous but not slam contender or finalist. Yes in Wimbledon he can do well, but still i canīt see him making final with Roger, Rafa, Nole, both Andies. He has nice touch, i like his volleys, but he lack a firepower - thatīs what made Berdych and Soderling so good in those seasons, they were able to serve hard, hit powerfull forehands and so on, but Gasquet is talented player, nice to watch, but he is not strongest guy physically out there and that is the most important factor in mens tennis.

Gasquet can definitely beat those three guys on grass, no doubt in my mind
Grass is hardly Djoker's best surface(he has yet to even win a title on grass) and Roddick is on a huge decline.
Murray is very good on grass and probably the better U-25 grass court player after Nadal but he is definitely beatable.
Federer is getting older and older and Nadal is looking weaker than before so there is definitely some place for other guys to make a move at Wimbledon in the next few years.
Gasquet lacks firepower?? How would you call his BH on grass?? Ask Murray or Roddick if Gasquet lacked firepower when they played him and they will laugh at you.
He lacks fitness and some mental toughness(the two being correlated actually as proved by Nadal and the Djoker),i'll give you that.

philosophicalarf
05-28-2011, 01:49 AM
The new Gasquet forehand on grass will ping through the court - looking forward to seeing it there.

Filo V.
05-28-2011, 01:52 AM
He's improved, but he's not a top 5 player. He's matured on court and playing more within himself, and he's not as defensive as he was past seasons. He's got more self-assuredness with comes with age. He's overrated on this forum, though.

Filo V.
05-28-2011, 01:53 AM
Soderling and Berdych (well, definitely Robin) are also overrated on this forum so if that is the example being used then I guess it fits.

yuri27
05-28-2011, 01:56 AM
He's improved, but he's not a top 5 player. He's matured on court and playing more within himself, and he's not as defensive as he was past seasons. He's got more self-assuredness with comes with age. He's overrated on this forum, though.

Nobody is saying he is a top 5 player.
But i think we can safely say he is potentially one of the 6-7 best grass court players.
In his last three Wimbledon,he got only beaten by peak Federer (twice,including once in 1/2 final) and Murray in an epic five setter.
And he's won 2 grass titles.

Filo V.
05-28-2011, 02:00 AM
He can do well on grass, but I can also see him losing R3 or R4 depending on the draw he gets. He's not someone that really should be counted as a lock to get far every single event he plays. But it would be nice to see him doing well and keeping up the good form. He brings a lot to the game.

romismak
05-28-2011, 02:06 AM
Gasquet can definitely beat those three guys on grass, no doubt in my mind
Grass is hardly Djoker's best surface(he has yet to even win a title on grass) and Roddick is on a huge decline.
Murray is very good on grass and probably the better U-25 grass court player after Nadal but he is definitely beatable.
Federer is getting older and older and Nadal is looking weaker than before so there is definitely some place for other guys to make a move at Wimbledon in the next few years.
Gasquet lacks firepower?? How would you call his BH on grass?? Ask Murray or Roddick if Gasquet lacked firepower when they played him and they will laugh at you.
He lacks fitness and some mental toughness(the two being correlated actually as proved by Nadal and the Djoker),i'll give you that.

Yes he can beat those 3 guys, but i donīt think he will if they will met this Wimbledon. Murray had good clay season so far so i expect his level go up for Wimbledon- where he should be really good and i think he will beat there Gasquet, Nole was never good on grass, but we havenīt seen this new Nole in Wimbledon - i will say on best of 5 he canīt loose this Wimbledon to Gasquet, about Roddick- yes we donīt no much about his form recently, but he canīt be so bad like last year - that los to Lu was dissaster, still can see Andy outserved him and win. Old Federer and less confident Rafa are still too much for him there too.
Yes i think he lack firepower - i donīt know exactly that word - but i think he is not able to hitting so hard all the time like Berdych or Soderling - donīt even talking about Delpo - he is another league in this category.
I think he is really talented player with few great years to looking forward, i like his touch and volleys, but he is not top 5 player for those reasons and i canīt ever see him in final of slam. He is overrated, because he was seen as French No.1 or French GOAT or i donīt know what.

yuri27
05-28-2011, 02:10 AM
Yes he can beat those 3 guys, but i donīt think he will if they will met this Wimbledon. Murray had good clay season so far so i expect his level go up for Wimbledon- where he should be really good and i think he will beat there Gasquet, Nole was never good on grass, but we havenīt seen this new Nole in Wimbledon - i will say on best of 5 he canīt loose this Wimbledon to Gasquet, about Roddick- yes we donīt no much about his form recently, but he canīt be so bad like last year - that los to Lu was dissaster, still can see Andy outserved him and win. Old Federer and less confident Rafa are still too much for him there too.
Yes i think he lack firepower - i donīt know exactly that word - but i think he is not able to hitting so hard all the time like Berdych or Soderling - donīt even talking about Delpo - he is another league in this category.

Considering how their last match on grass went, i wouldn't be as confident as you about that.
It took some HUGE choking from Gasquet for Murray to not get properly straight-setted.
And rewatching this match again and Murray's matches in the last few years, it's not like Murray's game has improved a lot since then.....

Yes he can beat those 3 guys, but i donīt think he will if they will met this Wimbledon. Murray had good clay season so far so i expect his level go up for Wimbledon- where he should be really good and i think he will beat there Gasquet, Nole was never good on grass, but we havenīt seen this new Nole in Wimbledon - i will say on best of 5 he canīt loose this Wimbledon to Gasquet, about Roddick- yes we donīt no much about his form recently, but he canīt be so bad like last year - that los to Lu was dissaster, still can see Andy outserved him and win. Old Federer and less confident Rafa are still too much for him there too.
Yes i think he lack firepower - i donīt know exactly that word - but i think he is not able to hitting so hard all the time like Berdych or Soderling - donīt even talking about Delpo - he is another league in this category.
I think he is really talented player with few great years to looking forward, i like his touch and volleys, but he is not top 5 player for those reasons and i canīt ever see him in final of slam. He is overrated, because he was seen as French No.1 or French GOAT or i donīt know what.

Well,Del Potro can hit FHs much harder than Gasquet of course(although Gasquet can also hit some incredibly fast ones as seen against Federer recently) but that's the reverse on the BH side where Gasquet can hit consistently harder than Del Potro.

romismak
05-28-2011, 02:17 AM
Considering how their last match on grass went, i wouldn't be as confident as you about that.
It took some HUGE choking from Gasquet for Murray to not get properly straight-setted.
And rewatching this match again and Murray's matches in the last few years, it's not like Murray's game has improved a lot since then.....

Wimbledon is best of 5 and Murray already won 2 matches against Gasquet from 0:2 to 3:2 on sets, so fitness first his issue, than Murray i think is better than was and Gasquet probably too, but still i think he is better - i am not saying he canīt win, i am just saying if they should play each other this Wimbledon my money would be on Murray. About comparing to Delpo- no one can be compared to him on forehand of course, but i just was saying that guys like Delpo, Soderling and Berdych are big hitters - tall guys with a lot of power, with many winners, strong serve and GAsquet is i think more about technic, touch, skills, talent not so much about pure power and that is more important in todayīs tennis.

yuri27
05-28-2011, 02:20 AM
Wimbledon is best of 5 and Murray already won 2 matches against Gasquet from 0:2 to 3:2 on sets, so fitness first his issue, than Murray i think is better than was and Gasquet probably too, but still i think he is better - i am not saying he canīt win, i am just saying if they should play each other this Wimbledon my money would be on Murray. About comparing to Delpo- no one can be compared to him on forehand of course, but i just was saying that guys like Delpo, Soderling and Berdych are big hitters - tall guys with a lot of power, with many winners, strong serve and GAsquet is i think more about technic, touch, skills, talent not so much about pure power and that is more important in todayīs tennis.

Not on grass.
Gasquet's loss at Wimbledon was purely due to huge choking from his part(and to some good play from Murray,let's admit that) whereas his last year loss at FO was purely because of his fitness(it didn't help he had won two consecutive tournaments just before playing that first round).

guy in sf
05-28-2011, 02:39 AM
McEnroe said today that he believes that Gasquet will make the 10 ten by year's end and has a good shot at making the masters final 8 and I agree with him. I think Grosjean has probably given Gasquet the reality check that he's already 25 and not getting any younger so either get better and utilize al that talent or be a beautiful flower that never bloomed. I agree with everyone that his forehand is his downfall! He has been improving on his forehand but he needs to really turn it into a weapon so he can attack on both sides. Also why is he still standing 2 zip codes away from the baseline? I can't believe that he has gone thru several coaches and mentors and no one has been able to get him to play closer to the baseline. You can't hit winners standing that far back and just look at how many drop shot winners against him because he is so far back.

Anyway I think he will do well at Wimbledon. His game is pretty darn nice on the lawn but he needs to keep at being aggressive!

straitup
05-28-2011, 03:59 AM
He's having a great year...we'll see how he does on the grass (should be very good) and then the hard courts. It's great to see Gasquet doing better, I remember that there didn't seem to be much hope for him when he came back from his coke suspension, but he has showed steady improvement since then. If the mentality he has really stays improved, he will have a great rest of the year.

Seingeist
05-28-2011, 04:06 AM
Soderling and Berdych (well, definitely Robin) are also overrated on this forum so if that is the example being used then I guess it fits.

Huh? :confused:

I think you've got this forum confused with a different one.

Either that or you have a muggishly low estimation of Soderling and Berdych.

oranges
05-28-2011, 04:17 AM
Everyone but his chosen ones are overrated to flyboy :zzz: I bet Pippo is underented

GugaF1
05-28-2011, 04:42 AM
Berdych and Soderling are far from overated, they do exactly what a good top 10 should do Berdych and a top 5Soderling. They consistenly do well on pretty much every important tournament going deep.

Gasquet is a bit well rated because of the flair that his game has. He is kind of a poor man Nalbandian outstanding BH, but without a great Forehand and a serve to back it up is quite hard to win big. Gasquet is a natural top 10 player though and should stay that way.

LawrenceOfTennis
05-28-2011, 08:28 AM
Why people overreact everything?

syc23
05-28-2011, 09:47 AM
Gasquet is a natural born loser - not likely to change anytime soon. Gluten free Warrier will destroy all before him in all slams so there will be no French winners anytime soon. Someone should put the frog out of his misery by spiking his drinks with cocaine or get some random lady to kiss him again...

MaxPower
05-28-2011, 09:52 AM
Hmmm let the frenchman do at least one GS SF/F this year before starting to hype him up. While it was solid to take out Bellucci it isn't like it was a sensation. He is expected both with his ranking and skills to reach Djokovic (or Delpo!?) and then crash out of the tournament. If he wins that too then time to get on the bandwagon

Gagsquet
05-28-2011, 11:22 AM
He isn't fav on grass only against Djoko, Nadal, Federer (50-50 against Murray and Berdych and Del Potro)
I hope he will be seeded in the 12 and only face a Top 4 in Quarter.

sexybeast
05-28-2011, 11:35 AM
Hmmm let the frenchman do at least one GS SF/F this year before starting to hype him up. While it was solid to take out Bellucci it isn't like it was a sensation. He is expected both with his ranking and skills to reach Djokovic (or Delpo!?) and then crash out of the tournament. If he wins that too then time to get on the bandwagon

I am hyping up the possibility of him reaching SF/F in grand slams soon, why would I start hyping up after it has happened?

yuri27
05-28-2011, 11:57 AM
He isn't fav on grass only against Djoko, Nadal, Federer (50-50 against Murray and Berdych and Del Potro)
I hope he will be seeded in the 12 and only face a Top 4 in Quarter.

I fail to see how you see Djoko as a better grass court player than the likes of Murray,Roddick or Berdych.

Gagsquet
05-28-2011, 11:59 AM
Djoko don't care about the surface: he wins as always.

silverwhite
05-28-2011, 12:57 PM
Gasquet is a natural born loser - not likely to change anytime soon. Gluten free Warrier will destroy all before him in all slams so there will be no French winners anytime soon. Someone should put the frog out of his misery by spiking his drinks with cocaine or get some random lady to kiss him again...

It's not like the British are having trouble producing a slam winner. Oh wait... :awww:

Cloudygirl
05-28-2011, 12:58 PM
It's not like the British are having trouble producing a slam winner. Oh wait... :awww:

hey :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

tyruk14
05-28-2011, 01:07 PM
Gasquet and bloom -- what fitting lexical partners.

silverwhite
05-28-2011, 01:20 PM
hey :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

:secret: I don't actually mean it but how else are you supposed to respond to a troll?

finishingmove
05-28-2011, 01:27 PM
this is just a temporary seasonal pollen allergy for his opponents

not as good as troicki's plague, but effective.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
05-28-2011, 02:43 PM
goat material for sure