RG R1: Ilhan def. Haas 6-4 4-6 7-6(1) 6-4 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

RG R1: Ilhan def. Haas 6-4 4-6 7-6(1) 6-4

Luinir
05-23-2011, 12:16 PM
Good win for Marsel.

Armless
05-23-2011, 12:16 PM
Not a good sign for Haas for losing to a guy who retired in qualies. Still, welcome back.
From the stats, it looked like a decent match.

misty1
05-23-2011, 12:18 PM
marsel served like karlvoic here, 25 aces and a 60-20 winner/unforced error ratio

haas actually hit more winners but also more than double the amount of unforced errors

good job marsel :)

Ad Wim
05-23-2011, 12:20 PM
It kind of surprised me that he finished the match.

Filo V.
05-23-2011, 12:22 PM
I'm a little bitter about a guy who retired in qualifying a couple of days getting a dream MD match and winning. To me, it defeats the purpose of the qualifying tournament. I think it's pretty ridiculous.

misty1
05-23-2011, 12:24 PM
sure marsel got hurt but its not his fault he got hurt and its not his choice about how the system works

what did you want him to do deny the LL spot or tank the match?

or perhaps, even though he got hurt in qualies he should have played on and possibly made things worse

would you feel the same if a guy loike gicquel was in the same situation as marsel and than came though and won?

Luinir
05-23-2011, 12:24 PM
I'm a little bitter about a guy who retired in qualifying a couple of days getting a dream MD match and winning. To me, it defeats the purpose of the qualifying tournament. I think it's pretty ridiculous.

He was injured. What's wrong about retiring when you feel the pain? Then he got MR and it looked fine. He decided to play.

Matt01
05-23-2011, 12:30 PM
Thommy-boy :sad: :hug:

Filo V.
05-23-2011, 12:40 PM
It's not about Marsel, it's about the rule, which should be changed. I don't think a player who retires in qualifying has earned that opportunity the same way a player who finishes a match does, also, that player is injured a couple of days later, they are going to be running around like normal again? So when you look at that aspect too, it's like, if you're unfit for the qualifying, then you're definitely not fit to play in the MD.

misty1
05-23-2011, 12:42 PM
what that players who get injured in qualies should be disqualified from LL eligability? i do agree i guess..because someone qwho's losing badly could just call a fake injury and count on getting in through LL

sorry to snap, im just very defensive when it gets to marsel

TMJordan
05-23-2011, 12:44 PM
losing to ilhan? looks like haas really is done

retire and save yourself the embarrasment

zoparrat
05-23-2011, 12:52 PM
It's not about Marsel, it's about the rule, which should be changed. I don't think a player who retires in qualifying has earned that opportunity the same way a player who finishes a match does, also, that player is injured a couple of days later, they are going to be running around like normal again? So when you look at that aspect too, it's like, if you're unfit for the qualifying, then you're definitely not fit to play in the MD.

I disagree with your logic that a player who retires doesn't "earn" the LL opportunity. A player earns their lucky loser status by winning their previous rounds to get to the final round of qualifying. The do not prove anything extra by staying on court and playing to lose that final round. You may argue with the rule, but even if the rule is changed, players with chance of a LL spot who get injured will just finish their matches. So instead of retiring at 4-0 down in the second set, Marsel would have lost the second set 6-0 in his final round of qualifying.

In the end, if a player is in no shape to play his main draw match, then I think that player should pull out of the tournament himself and will be replaced by the next LL. Marsel was clearly in match playing shape and there is no reason why he shouldn't have gotten the LL. He got himself there by keeping his ranking high enough and getting to the final round of qualifying.

Orka_n
05-23-2011, 12:54 PM
Maybe it's time, Tommy.

jcempire
05-23-2011, 02:39 PM
Maybe it's time, Tommy.

to retired???

STUHL
05-23-2011, 03:46 PM
Guys clam down. It was his fucking first Match after 15 month on clay, the surface he is by far his weakest. And some are calling for retirement :rolleyes:

Dougie
05-23-2011, 04:02 PM
It's not about Marsel, it's about the rule, which should be changed. I don't think a player who retires in qualifying has earned that opportunity the same way a player who finishes a match does, also, that player is injured a couple of days later, they are going to be running around like normal again? So when you look at that aspect too, it's like, if you're unfit for the qualifying, then you're definitely not fit to play in the MD.

I do agree, an injured player who retired a qualy match shoudn´t get a LL spot. There are examples of players starting their 1st round match even if they know they won´t be able to play, just because even a 1st round loss is financially pretty profitable in GS´s. I´m not talking about Ilhan, he was obviously fit to play, but would a player in his position have turned down the LL spot, even if he knew he wouldn´t be able to finish the match..?

shiaben
05-23-2011, 05:51 PM
Congratulations Marsel.

25 Aces is a lot. I heard he barely had UE.

He did Turkey proud in this match.

He'll need every single sweat, effort, hard work, and luck, against GGL whose a nightmare for any player, including those in the top 32. It would have been better if he had someone else. But, this is tennis, sooner or later you run into a tough opponent.

Luinir
05-23-2011, 06:03 PM
Congratulations Marsel.

25 Aces is a lot. I heard he barely had UE.

He did Turkey proud in this match.

He'll need every single sweat, effort, hard work, and luck, against GGL whose a nightmare for any player, including those in the top 32. It would have been better if he had someone else. But, this is tennis, sooner or later you run into a tough opponent.

Marsel beat him on hard courts last year, 6-1 6-2. You never know.

gbmkc
05-23-2011, 07:08 PM
How many years does Tommy have left, though? Is there anything resembling a Major in his future? I don't think so. I'm not saying he should retire today, but I am saying he came back too soon, if he can't hang with a qualifier. Just my opinion. And how many injuries is this now?

leng jai
05-23-2011, 11:13 PM
Expected. First match back after 15 months on his worst surface. Ilhan had fantastic numbers by the looks of it.

oranges
05-23-2011, 11:34 PM
How many years does Tommy have left, though? Is there anything resembling a Major in his future? I don't think so. I'm not saying he should retire today, but I am saying he came back too soon, if he can't hang with a qualifier. Just my opinion. And how many injuries is this now?

Yes, if he waited another year, the first match would fare better :silly:

stewietennis
05-24-2011, 01:31 AM
Guys clam down. It was his fucking first Match after 15 month on clay, the surface he is by far his weakest. And some are calling for retirement :rolleyes:

He's also older than Federer. If Roger is going to have a hard time against younger players, Tommy would find it near impossible to hang, even against Top 50 players. Tommy's chance to win majors was about a decade ago. That being said, I like Tommy's style.

Mimi
05-24-2011, 02:54 AM
not too bad, after all, Haas hasn't played for over a year :angel:

KarlyM
05-24-2011, 03:58 AM
Not bad from Haas - it's gonna take some time for him to play well after a long injury layoff. ;)

Navratil
05-24-2011, 06:42 AM
Haas said he was tired from the middle of the third set on.

Why is he coming back if he wasn't fit??

This was a fantastic draw but still Haas went out in the first round. Not easy after such a break but he should have done better. Maybe on grass...

Dmitry Verdasco
05-24-2011, 09:37 AM
Learn to fight you lazy American :retard:

ossie
05-24-2011, 09:52 AM
you know you've got to retire when you start losing to the likes of ilhan

TennisOnWood
05-24-2011, 09:59 AM
He needed some Challenger matches before this

Garson007
05-24-2011, 10:28 AM
You guys might say it's his worse surface, but he was a few games away from being a front-runner at the 2009 tournament.

asmazif
05-24-2011, 10:43 AM
To be expected... great stats though, looked like a good match as well as a tight one :yeah:

Dini
05-24-2011, 10:54 AM
Looked decent enough for being the first match in so long. Wimbledon will give a better picture of where he's at, and even then, expectations shouldn't be high. Just happy to see him back playing.

Clydey
05-24-2011, 11:07 AM
Hopefully someone has put leng jai on suicide watch.

oranges
05-24-2011, 11:33 AM
Hopefully someone has put leng jai on suicide watch.

Why now, he survived 15 months of no-Haas diet? Now is party time.