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Nole's rivals say confidence is the key to his success...

SerialKillerToBe
05-21-2011, 09:16 PM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/05/Features/Djokovic-Rivals-Believe-Confidence-Is-Key.aspx

Are these guys blind or something? I guess they haven't noticed his improved serve, forehand, and most importantly backhand.

Confidence is obviously important, but not the key to his success. Otherwise, how did he win the Australian Open so easily? His streak at that point was not nearly as big as it is now.

Luinir
05-21-2011, 09:27 PM
Mental power is overrated. Mental power comes along game power (like improving forehand, backhand, serve etc.)

romismak
05-21-2011, 09:28 PM
Actually Rafa said that his level is amazing and even he is under that level, but all other are talking about cofidence mostly yes. I think without confidence and self-belief it would be not possible for him to play so consistent high level half year already. But i think they are 2 things that helped him - his forehad, beckhand, serve and other things have been inside him all the time, he just wasn´t able to get 100% of his talent and skills at once out of him. 2 things that did it - confidence - DC, AO and now every title is just making that superconfidence bigger and other thing - his new diet - everyone when feel sick, or is limited with health issues or whathever is not able to be 100% on the court or in other sports too. So since he is much healthier than ever before is logical he can play tennis that he wasn´t able to play before.

star
05-21-2011, 09:39 PM
Actually Rafa said that his level is amazing and even he is under that level, but all other are talking about cofidence mostly yes. I think without confidence and self-belief it would be not possible for him to play so consistent high level half year already. But i think they are 2 things that helped him - his forehad, beckhand, serve and other things have been inside him all the time, he just wasn´t able to get 100% of his talent and skills at once out of him. 2 things that did it - confidence - DC, AO and now every title is just making that superconfidence bigger and other thing - his new diet - everyone when feel sick, or is limited with health issues or whathever is not able to be 100% on the court or in other sports too. So since he is much healthier than ever before is logical he can play tennis that he wasn´t able to play before.

Yes, it goes together. Yes, his game has improved, but I think all of us saw this game from time to time -- just not consistently. He has improved his game which improved his confidence which improved his game --etc.

Lleyton_
05-21-2011, 09:44 PM
Mental power is overrated. Mental power comes along game power (like improving forehand, backhand, serve etc.)

Yeah Murray proved that after the AO :rolleyes: It's ALL about confidence at the top of the game. And new 'diets' of course.

philosophicalarf
05-21-2011, 10:46 PM
"Gluten-free" goes in the euphemisms box along with "running up hills" to explain remarkable changes in conditioning.

Amazing what you can do in 28 days offseason.

LawrenceOfTennis
05-21-2011, 11:02 PM
Useless thread. The things you mentioned ( serve etc.) are results of confidence. Confidence first, then comes the serve better etc.

Mechlan
05-21-2011, 11:04 PM
It really is his conditioning that seems to be the difference. He can stay in rallies longer, which means he can be more patient about when to pull the trigger, which means he has more confidence, so he plays the bigger points better, serves better, makes fewer mistakes, wins more, which increases his confidence further...

finishingmove
05-21-2011, 11:13 PM
tennis is an endurance sport. the mental aspect is very important.

imagine if you've been sick all your life, and now found a way to feel healthy for the first time. wouldn't you be on a high?

i'm surprised to see so many people who seem to have never met a mental or physical challenge in their lives, but not surprised they can't understand it then

Johnny Groove
05-21-2011, 11:15 PM
Mechlan is correct.

Confidence and fitness.

DrJules
05-21-2011, 11:17 PM
Mechlan is correct.

Confidence and fitness.

Agreed both true.

So comments partially true.

ballbasher101
05-21-2011, 11:30 PM
It's almost never one thing responsible for success. In Nole's case confidence has been the key in my view. That victory over Federer in the semis of the US open was crucial. It started the whole thing. There is no doubt that certain aspects of his game like serve, forehand and movement have improved. When he beat Federer his serve and forehand were not firing on all cylinders but that match restored his confidence. He kicked on from there even though he lost to Federer a few more times after.

fast_clay
05-21-2011, 11:39 PM
Novak's success is down to his strict diet of a new product on the market called No More Hugz™.

Clay Death
05-21-2011, 11:42 PM
confidence comes from continued success.


so what came before this so called "success".

i say conditioning and good old fashioned hard work on the practice courts.

fitness and practice made the success possible on the court. confidence builds over time if the success continues.

now add a more scientific approach to diet and rest and you get the rest of the equation.

Johnny Groove
05-22-2011, 01:24 AM
It's almost never one thing responsible for success. In Nole's case confidence has been the key in my view. That victory over Federer in the semis of the US open was crucial. It started the whole thing. There is no doubt that certain aspects of his game like serve, forehand and movement have improved. When he beat Federer his serve and forehand were not firing on all cylinders but that match restored his confidence. He kicked on from there even though he lost to Federer a few more times after.

Somehow scraping through vs. Troicki at the USO when he looked dead for sure and then beating Federer saving match points with 2 massive forehands right in the corners was huge.

That'll give your forehand confidence :p

alter ego
05-22-2011, 02:14 AM
tennis is an endurance sport. the mental aspect is very important.

imagine if you've been sick all your life, and now found a way to feel healthy for the first time. wouldn't you be on a high?

i'm surprised to see so many people who seem to have never met a mental or physical challenge in their lives, but not surprised they can't understand it then

I'm surprised that someone who has access to the world wide web could actually believe that a multimillionaire athlete surrounded by doctors since he was in kindergarten didn't found he was allergic to gluten untill the age of 23.

finishingmove
05-22-2011, 02:32 AM
I'm surprised that someone who has access to the world wide web could actually believe that a multimillionaire athlete surrounded by doctors since he was in kindergarten didn't found he was allergic to gluten untill the age of 23.

the less you know, the more surprises you encounter?

luckily there's a place on the web called MTF to solve all your dilemmas...

cheerio

AndyNonomous
05-22-2011, 02:41 AM
"Gluten-free" goes in the euphemisms box along with "running up hills" to explain remarkable changes in conditioning.

Amazing what you can do in 28 days offseason.


Running up hills = Agassi
Gluten free = Djokovic
Grip change = Nadal










Reyes,Cetojevic,Cotorro

Nathaliia
05-22-2011, 02:43 AM
Game improvement has led him to the confidence that paralyzes guys like Murray to finish him off while leading.

PS. My dad realized he was allergic to animal fur at the age of 35 and earlier doctors claimed he had asthma, yes, he was even hospitalized for that.

fast_clay
05-22-2011, 02:45 AM
i can tell you i became more hardcore as a person when i stopped hugging ppl including my mother and family and stuff... novak is a cold ruthless mofo now..

Clay Death
05-22-2011, 03:17 AM
there is a great deal of truth to what uncle slim is saying.

pay attention insectus TROLLificus.

the great serbian slayer---a term coined by none other than the great clay death the destroyer fully 5 years ago---really has become a cold, heartless butcher.

and to be brutally frank, that is the way to conduct business on the battlefield in modern warfare.

Forehander
05-22-2011, 03:41 AM
Can't believe you're actually questioning their answers... This even applies to our everyday lives. No matter how technically perfect you are in doing something if you don't have confidence then you'll undermine the skills you possess. A technically not so perfect player with confidence can defeat a technically perfect player without confidence easily.

ballbasher101
05-22-2011, 04:08 AM
Can't believe you're actually questioning their answers... This even applies to our everyday lives. No matter how technically perfect you are in doing something if you don't have confidence then you'll undermine the skills you possess. A technically not so perfect player with confidence can defeat a technically perfect player without confidence easily.

Well put. Djokovic was always a good player who needed to get his head together in order to be a great player. The guy who once was a quitter is outfighting Nadal these days. Amazing stuff.

SerialKillerToBe
05-22-2011, 06:08 AM
Can't believe you're actually questioning their answers... This even applies to our everyday lives. No matter how technically perfect you are in doing something if you don't have confidence then you'll undermine the skills you possess. A technically not so perfect player with confidence can defeat a technically perfect player without confidence easily.

How come Nole didn't go on a 40 match winning streak after he won the 2008 Australian Open?

I'll give you a hint, he had the confidence but he didn't have the ability.

finishingmove
05-22-2011, 09:45 AM
How come Nole didn't go on a 40 match winning streak after he won the 2008 Australian Open?

I'll give you a hint, he had the confidence but he didn't have the ability.

the ability to beat the likes of kevin anderson or gilles simon?

he also had two RETs in that period.

in 2008, he was mono nole :sad:

Singularity
05-22-2011, 11:55 AM
How come Nole didn't go on a 40 match winning streak after he won the 2008 Australian Open?

Because he wasn't able to deal with the expectations placed on him, perhaps.

Vida
05-22-2011, 11:55 AM
he was screw-up basically until Wimbledon last year, when he figured out whats wrong with him.*

now hes the real nole.

the fact he figured it that late, maybe has something to do with the nature of this ailment, how difficult it is to detect. maybe even in the sense that to find it - you have to look for it.

hmmmm. what Ive seen is that allergies are detected by exposing to the substance that youre allergic, like they put a few drops of each on your arm, and cut a bit to mix the substance with the surface of the skin/blood. and if you are alergic it shows. so maybe nobody occurred to put gluten or whatnot?

its easy to imagine some scenario like that, given that all children go to such checkups when in school, at least once. and that gluten most probably is not on the list of allergies looked for..

*dont mean he would've been on a streak of 300 matches

Farenhajt
05-22-2011, 06:29 PM
he was screw-up basically until Wimbledon last year, when he figured out whats wrong with him.*

now hes the real nole.

the fact he figured it that late, maybe has something to do with the nature of this ailment, how difficult it is to detect. maybe even in the sense that to find it - you have to look for it.

hmmmm. what Ive seen is that allergies are detected by exposing to the substance that youre allergic, like they put a few drops of each on your arm, and cut a bit to mix the substance with the surface of the skin/blood. and if you are alergic it shows. so maybe nobody occurred to put gluten or whatnot?

its easy to imagine some scenario like that, given that all children go to such checkups when in school, at least once. and that gluten most probably is not on the list of allergies looked for..

*dont mean he would've been on a streak of 300 matches

Gluten is a tricky substance, unlike dust, pollen, fur etc. for which you have straightforward tests.

The worst case is the celiac disease, but people suffering from it develop a host of various autoimmune reactions and symptoms, way past those characteristic for allergies - thus it's usually easy to spot.

Most people (apparently Nole too) have non-celiac gluten sensitivity, and in some cases a blood test for the appropriate antibodies can show you what's going on (but someone has to think to ask for the test). In most cases though there are NO antibodies detectable, so the only diagnostic tool is empirical: embark on a gluten-free diet for at least 2-3 weeks and see if it works for you.

Lleyton_
05-22-2011, 06:39 PM
Running up hills = Agassi
Gluten free = Djokovic
Grip change = Nadal










Reyes,Cetojevic,Cotorro

:worship:

Kworb
05-23-2011, 12:10 AM
He's been the consistent #3 for years. Now the #1 and #2 are playing bad. That's the key to his success. I mean who has he lost to since Wimbledon? Federer, Roddick, Nadal, Federer, Federer, Llodra, Nadal, Federer. And we know those Roddick and Llodra losses were both inspired performances by the opponent. Take away those performances (so add some luck), take away Fedal, and you have his current streak.

yuri27
05-23-2011, 12:54 AM
Mechlan is correct.

Confidence and fitness.

And as by chance,the fittest players are also generally the most tougher ones mentally.

yuri27
05-23-2011, 12:56 AM
How come Nole didn't go on a 40 match winning streak after he won the 2008 Australian Open?

I'll give you a hint, he had the confidence but he didn't have the ability.

I'll give you another hint: the level of the tour was far higher back then.
For example,Nadal and especially Federer were playing better than now.

Dejan16
05-23-2011, 04:27 AM
I'll give you another hint: the level of the tour was far higher back then.
For example,Nadal and especially Federer were playing better than now.

I'll give you all a hint, how about you start watching some of the matches novak has been winning lately, he has risen his level of play significantly. And yes this mainly comes with confidence, he was always a good player, making semis and what not, usually losing to Fed or Rafa. The difference now is when those important moments come at the end of sets, e.g 5-5, when novak choked, he is now staying as the aggressor and winning most of these important points. This is the biggest difference, mentally he believes going into these important matches that he can win. Claims that fed and rafa have fallen off are baloney in my eyes, maybe fed but rafa that's hilarious.

fast_clay
05-23-2011, 04:40 AM
I'll give you all a hint, how about you start watching some of the matches novak has been winning lately, he has risen his level of play significantly. And yes this mainly comes with confidence, he was always a good player, making semis and what not, usually losing to Fed or Rafa. The difference now is when those important moments come at the end of sets, e.g 5-5, when novak choked, he is now staying as the aggressor and winning most of these important points. This is the biggest difference, mentally he believes going into these important matches that he can win. Claims that fed and rafa have fallen off are baloney in my eyes, maybe fed but rafa that's hilarious.

its true... he was always very close to rafa... but fell just short on occasion... often looked the better player... now he knows rafa cant hurt him... and also refusing to hug men now at the end of matches which demonstrates less wta-ish outlook...

as a result djokovic now owns the atp...

i suspect Family Sport will move monte carlo masters to belgrade within 3 months...

SerialKillerToBe
05-23-2011, 04:42 AM
I'll give you another hint: the level of the tour was far higher back then.
For example,Nadal and especially Federer were playing better than now.

Oh God, not this excuse again....:rolleyes:

And what does that have to do with NOLE'S CONFIDENCE?