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Unbelievable Stats !!!

bouncer7
05-21-2011, 02:07 PM
Djokovic could be number 1 but still youngest player in top20 after French Open. Was it ever happen? and if wasn't, what about top10 and youngest players as number 1.


Funny thing is thats Djoker is already 24 but age of all top20 players is in the range of 24-29years. No youngsters no old mans. This really might be strongest era ever.

Myrre
05-21-2011, 02:10 PM
Era of the Oldies.

Certinfy
05-21-2011, 02:13 PM
Wow :eek:

alfonsojose
05-21-2011, 02:14 PM
Rainer in the top 100 at 35 :yeah:

Lana87
05-21-2011, 02:17 PM
Funny thing is thats Djoker is already 24...

Nope, his birthday is tomorrow :-)

n8
05-21-2011, 02:19 PM
Hewitt was younger than everyone else in the top 10 when he was first number one. World number 14 Roddick was younger.

n8
05-21-2011, 02:21 PM
Same goes for Moya when he was number one (younger than rest of top 10). Philippoussis was #11 and younger.

bouncer7
05-21-2011, 02:22 PM
Era of the Oldies.
Only one could be Federer soon but all youngsters and oldies look like so physically weak to top players

bouncer7
05-21-2011, 02:30 PM
Hewitt was younger than everyone else in the top 10 when he was first number one. World number 14 Roddick was younger.
How old was Lleyton? But still Djoker will be sure for long time the oldest one in this category. Can you imagine someone 25 years old as number 1 and youngest at top10 :-)

Action Jackson
05-21-2011, 02:34 PM
Hewitt was younger than everyone else in the top 10 when he was first number one. World number 14 Roddick was younger.

Speed endurance sport these days, takes longer for players to develop. Hewitt was 22 when he was number 1 wasn't he?

n8
05-21-2011, 02:39 PM
Speed endurance sport these days, takes longer for players to develop. Hewitt was 22 when he was number 1 wasn't he?

Yep. The ageing tour trend keeps going. Hewitt is the youngest ever number one, he was only 20 and 9 months.

Lleyton_
05-21-2011, 02:45 PM
Speed endurance sport these days, takes longer for players to develop. Hewitt was 22 when he was number 1 wasn't he?

20 years 10 months ;)

bouncer7
05-21-2011, 02:45 PM
Yep. The ageing tour trend keeps going. Hewitt is the youngest ever number one, he was only 20 and 9 months.

I think we won't see player of that age to reach top5 ever. Who could be next youngster to break top 20, Raonic?? But he is still older than Hewitt was as no1

Action Jackson
05-21-2011, 02:52 PM
Yep. The ageing tour trend keeps going. Hewitt is the youngest ever number one, he was only 20 and 9 months.

I just remember when he was 16 with the mullet beating Agassian and Stoltenberg in Adelaide.

Lleyton_
05-21-2011, 02:53 PM
I think we won't see player of that age to reach top5 ever. Who could be next youngster to break top 20, Raonic?? But he is still older than Hewitt was as no1

Why not? Djokovic was no.3 when he was 20 or maybe 19 I'm not sure. Del Potro won a slam at 20.

MaxPower
05-21-2011, 02:58 PM
Interesting. That is surely a sign of a strong era that it is hard for new and younger players to battle into the top20. In a weak era there wouldn't be enough 24 or older players to hold of the young talent. Because there is always young and hungry players.

Maybe Raonic, Dolgopolov or someone get into top20 as a younger guy pretty soon. But we are also seeing more "late bloomers" like Florian Mayer who will now get into top20 for the first time as 27

bouncer7
05-21-2011, 03:07 PM
Why not? Djokovic was no.3 when he was 20 or maybe 19 I'm not sure. Del Potro won a slam at 20.

tennis's evolvin every year, it is more than physically sport now and youngsters gonna be always easy outplayed now by stronger players.

AndyNonomous
05-21-2011, 03:17 PM
No question that the game is "aging".

Much like baseball was a few years ago when players like Bonds, Clemons, McGuire,... had the most productive years of their lives in their late 30s and early 40s (traditionally a baseball player's best years were from their late 20s to their early 30s - before the 80s. almost no-one had better numbers after 35 than they did before 35).

I wonder why tennis is "aging" today ?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=380770

Not as much denial at TT as there is in MTF ?

Action Jackson
05-21-2011, 03:23 PM
Interesting. That is surely a sign of a strong era that it is hard for new and younger players to battle into the top20. In a weak era there wouldn't be enough 24 or older players to hold of the young talent. Because there is always young and hungry players.

Maybe Raonic, Dolgopolov or someone get into top20 as a younger guy pretty soon. But we are also seeing more "late bloomers" like Florian Mayer who will now get into top20 for the first time as 27

No, it's a sign of a strong era at all. I have explained what's happened. As the game becomes for physical with being speed endurance, it takes longer for the body to adapt to get the balance right as they aren't at their physical peaks until mid 20s when it comes to that sort of events. The freakish players will always be there.

Corey Feldman
05-21-2011, 03:25 PM
whats unbelievable about them?

ssin
05-21-2011, 05:06 PM
Boris Becker was just 17 when he won Wimbledon, practically a boy. It can happen, individual thing as it is. Maybe some Chinese 18 year old can emerge out of nowhere, in next, say, 5 years and perform something similar, why not.

green25814
05-21-2011, 05:32 PM
Speed endurance sport these days, takes longer for players to develop. Hewitt was 22 when he was number 1 wasn't he?

Yep. Kind of sad imo.

Sport in general is becoming more and more about physical fitness than physical skill.

Keyser Soze
05-21-2011, 06:14 PM
tennis's evolvin every year, it is more than physically sport now and youngsters gonna be always easy outplayed now by stronger players.

+ 1

One of the most obvious proofs for this statement is that Djokovic has lost during his whole career only 1 match against a player younger than him! (vs Gulbis @ Brisbane 2009).

TennisOnWood
05-21-2011, 06:21 PM
Boris Becker was just 17 when he won Wimbledon, practically a boy. It can happen, individual thing as it is. Maybe some Chinese 18 year old can emerge out of nowhere, in next, say, 5 years and perform something similar, why not.

Just impossible!! Rafa will stay last teenage winner of Major for a very long time (and we was waiting 15 years for that)

At the end of 1986. Becker (still 18 years of age) won Sydney, next week he went to Tokyo to lift second trophey and week after that we saw him in bloody Paris.. to take new title

Todays' players can't even play in 3 consecutive weeks in Futures level

Radalek
05-21-2011, 06:48 PM
Just impossible!! Rafa will stay last teenage winner of Major for a very long time (and we was waiting 15 years for that)

At the end of 1986. Becker (still 18 years of age) won Sydney, next week he went to Tokyo to lift second trophey and week after that we saw him in bloody Paris.. to take new title

Todays' players can't even play in 3 consecutive weeks in Futures level

Another proof how game was less physically demanding back then.

fast_clay
05-21-2011, 06:50 PM
I think we won't see player of that age to reach top5 ever. Who could be next youngster to break top 20, Raonic?? But he is still older than Hewitt was as no1

there will be some freak don't worry... always is...

though, the trend says it will be much fewer and farther time between these freaks emerging

bouncer7
05-22-2011, 12:20 PM
there will be some freak don't worry... always is...

though, the trend says it will be much fewer and farther time between these freaks emerging


there is some kind of order now. Djoker, Rafa, Murray, Delpo don't lose from youngsters. Nishikori, Raonic beat younger too...The lower limit of physical maturity has been moved now to 23, 24 years. Look, Delpo won USO with 21 but then he lost 2years of carrier cause his problem has physical nature.



At the end of 1986. Becker (still 18 years of age) won Sydney, next week he went to Tokyo to lift second trophey and week after that we saw him in bloody Paris.. to take new title

Todays' players can't even play in 3 consecutive weeks in Futures level


Interesting, 3 different continents in 3 weeks. Looks like mission impossible today

Sunset of Age
05-22-2011, 02:21 PM
Boris Becker was just 17 when he won Wimbledon, practically a boy. It can happen, individual thing as it is. Maybe some Chinese 18 year old can emerge out of nowhere, in next, say, 5 years and perform something similar, why not.

Chang (yep, of Chinese decent ;)) was 17 as well when he won RG. I kinda remember he was the youngest ever, or was it Becker?

Start da Game
05-22-2011, 02:36 PM
Djokovic could be number 1 but still youngest player in top20 after French Open. Was it ever happen? and if wasn't, what about top10 and youngest players as number 1.


Funny thing is thats Djoker is already 24 but age of all top20 players is in the range of 24-29years. No youngsters no old mans. This really might be strongest era ever.

incredible stat, really.......it goes to show that this era simply separates the men from the boys.......nadal and djokovic rivalry at the top is about to reach insane heights, we are witnessing one of the strongest eras in tennis ever.......

the way the top 10 hit from the back these days is just incredible.......i was watching some of the clips of 2004, 2005.......they look like school boys compared to the current day hitters.......they were not great net players either......

we just need del potro in shape to round off the toughest era in tennis since 1988-95 period.......

nadal, djokovic, federer, del potro and the rest.......what a great field.......

siffleanimaux
05-22-2011, 02:50 PM
Chang (yep, of Chinese decent ;)) was 17 as well when he won RG. I kinda remember he was the youngest ever, or was it Becker?

Wouldn't be surprised if he was. Michael set a whole bunch of youngest records back then. Not sure if he still holds them though.

DrJules
05-22-2011, 02:51 PM
incredible stat, really.......it goes to show that this era simply separates the men from the boys.......nadal and djokovic rivalry at the top is about to reach insane heights, we are witnessing one of the strongest eras in tennis ever.......

the way the top 10 hit from the back these days is just incredible.......i was watching some of the clips of 2004, 2005.......they look like school boys compared to the current day hitters.......they were not great net players either......

we just need del potro in shape to round off the toughest era in tennis since 1988-95 period.......

nadal, djokovic, federer, del potro and the rest.......what a great field.......

The further you go back the weaker they look from a physical perspective although the change has been very slow. There has not been a steep increment in a time scale 6/7 years.

Start da Game
05-22-2011, 02:56 PM
The further you go back the weaker they look from a physical perspective although the change has been very slow. There has not been a steep increment in a time scale 6/7 years.

the further we go back, the better they look tactically.......the ones in the vacuum era were neither physically dominating nor tactically good.......that's why it is known as vacuum.......

dr.jules, how about adding "zero davis cup titles" for fed and "three davis cup titles" for nadal in your sig?

MacTheKnife
05-22-2011, 02:58 PM
I believe it's obvious that players today are bigger, faster, stronger, and for the most part, more powerful. Equipment, strings, and training techniques are all far more advanced today. However, that does not necessarily equate to "better tennis players". I still see a lot more matches lost today, than matches won.

It just seems there is a lot more choking and errors in critical situations in matches than in the past. That is probably impossible to measure, but a simple observation. I think more often than not, power from the baseline has overridden more tactical approaches to winning tennis.

DrJules
05-22-2011, 03:02 PM
the further we go back, the better they look tactically.......the ones in the vacuum era were neither physically dominating nor tactically good.......that's why it is known as vacuum.......

dr.jules, how about adding "zero davis cup titles" for fed and "three davis cup titles" for nadal in your sig?

I only included individual events and excluded team events and doubles.

bouncer7
07-04-2011, 07:17 PM
He has failed. JMDP is just 19th at ranking. :lol:

But still youngest at top10.

Great tennis era continue, no time for kids players and oldmens. Only strongest will survive.

Sapeod
07-04-2011, 07:20 PM
Rainer in the top 100 at 35 :yeah:
Good ol' Rainer :yeah:

atennisfan
07-05-2011, 11:53 AM
The trend is not just happening in tennis, but across most sports.

With much better sports science, nutrition, recovery etc, the average age of athletes have been extended, a trend that can be seen clearly in statistics of olympic sports such track&field, swimming, etc.
And this means more older athletes stay on top for longer, preventing the young ones to quickly rise like in the 70s, 80s.

Apart from the sports science etc, availability of funding from sponsors etc have also extended the playing time of mediocre athletes including tennis players so they don't have to retire quickly and find a "real job", and thus also preventing young tennis players to get into tournaments.

Unless there comes once or twice in a century freakishly talented young athletes which distort statistics.

Time Violation
07-05-2011, 12:21 PM
Yep. Kind of sad imo.

Sport in general is becoming more and more about physical fitness than physical skill.

Yes and no :) If true, it would mean that for example, some new freak kid can come and blow Federer off the court or something, while in reality that kid wouldn't win more than 1 game, and that if Fed is feeling generous :p

thrust
07-05-2011, 02:36 PM
Chang (yep, of Chinese decent ;)) was 17 as well when he won RG. I kinda remember he was the youngest ever, or was it Becker?

Interesting fact I learned yesterday. Only two players have won slams in their teens, 20's and 30's- Rosewall and Sampras. Ken won 2 at 18, Pete 1 at 19. Ken's last 2 were at 36,37. Pete's last was at 31. No doubt today's game is more physical, certainly than in Ken's day, but I would think that would affect older players more than talented younger ones. To defend Rosewall era players, the face is that wooden rackets were heavier than todays. Also, today's are longer with a much larger hitting surface. The older players did not travel with personal coaches, physical trainers, etc.. If you were hurt on court, you either played or quit as there were NO time outs for bathroom breaks either. There was practically no rest time during change overs. Traveling wasn't as comfortable as it is today either. The point is that today's game is more physical, but the old timers had to work hard for their wins too.