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French Open men's seed report: Jon Wertheim picking Nadal to win

DrJules
05-20-2011, 08:45 PM
Top 16 seeds

1. Rafael Nadal: He may have a "1" next to his name. He may have won this event five times since 2005. But his reign as the King of Clay is imperiled after so many losses -- including a pair on clay -- to Novak Djokovic. The great subplot of this event of course: Can Nadal defend his territory or will Djokovic complete his invasion by beating Nadal in Paris? Here's hoping we get the final we're all expecting. As for a prediction, I'm zigging where others are zagging and going with Nadal. There's the best-of-five format. There's the slower surface (relative to Rome and Madrid). There's the built-in-vacillations of a rivalry. There's 38-1 career record at Roland Garros. Win five titles and you're the favorite until proven otherwise.

2. Novak Djokovic: He's been playing rather well of late -- perhaps you've heard. And he might have been more impressive on clay than he was on hard courts, having taking down The Beast (Nadal) on multiple occasions. It would surprise no one if Djokovic won, even with a draw that likely has him playing Juan Martin del Potro in round three. Doing so would consecrate a thoroughly dominant first half of the year.

3. Roger Federer: First, the good news. He's still Roger Federer. Just two years ago, he won this event. The bad news, of course, is that he really isn't still Roger Federer, at least not the world-beater who won with the consistency of tides. Given Djokovic's current form and Nadal's track record in Paris, Federer is a distant third. If that.

4. Andy Murray: For the second straight year, he struggled woefully after reaching the Aussie Open final. Fortunately, his form is returning. In Rome he came within a few points of upending the Djokovic Express. And he sure can't complain about his draw, unlikely as he is to play a top-100 opponent until round three.

5. Robin Soderling: The Butler Bulldogs of the French Open, the Sod has reached the final two years running. Recent Paris track record speaks for itself. But otherwise not a lot of momentum heading in.

6. Tomas Berdych: Czech in and Czech out. We still don't trust him, not over the course of seven matches. A big ballstriker with tons of talent, but his progress is too often sabotaged by his shaky mental performances.

7. David Ferrer: Enfants beware! Coming off a fine performance in his previous Slam, indefatigable Spaniard is precisely the kind of opponent no one wants to face, especially not on clay. But, as ever, he lacks the serve to win. And a reminder to fans: investigate on-site childcare before attending one of his matches.

8. Jurgen Melzer: A quiet eighth seed if ever there were one. But Austrian lefty can be a tricky player, especially on clay. Plus, like Murray, he won't face a top opponent until round three.

9. Gael Monfils: A fan favorite who is always fun to watch. (And now he might be playing in Maui Jim eyewear!) Monfils can beat anyone on a given day. But he lacks the consistency, the fitness and mental fortitude to win majors.

10. Mardy Fish: First, props to Fish for a top 10 status, especially at this stage of the game. Has yet to have to a real breakthrough at a major and it's unlikely to come on clay and in such proximity to Nadal.

11. Nicolas Almagro: Have to admire anyone with the body of a middle reliever who competes at this level. Fun, expressive player -- watch him if you can. But he's not a threat to win a major.

12. Mikhail Youzhny: Always dangerous, never quite seems to get it done. Nice draw and the quarters are a possibility. But it's hard to see him winning the Djokovic-Delpo quadrant.

13. Richard Gasquet: His curve of a career is now trending up. Tons of talent -- as always -- and he's coming off a win over Federer. As always there's a question about how well he will handle the pressure of competing in front of his people. Plus a potentially tough first rounder against veteran Radek Stepanek.

14. Stan Wawrinka: Not unlike Youzhny, a dangerous lurker -- though he seems to have plateaued as 10-16 guy.

15. Viktor Troicki: Streaky Serb capable of exceptional and exceptionally lousy tennis -- sometimes within the same match. Catch him on a hot day and look out. Catch him on the wrong day and he could go out in straight sets.

16. Fernando Verdasco: Lots of false starts for a player with top-five talent. Tough first rounder against Juan Monaco.
Seeds 17-32

17. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga: Sadly, he's become the Tracy McGrady of tennis. Tons of talent but unable to avoid the injury bug. Maybe hometown fans will give him a boost.

21. Alex Dolgopolov: Hasn't built much on Aussie Open success but future top tenner who moves well and plays the kind of efficient, no-nonsense tennis that ought to translate well to clay.

23. Thomaz Bellucci: Here's a player no one wants near him. After the Big Three, he might be the next contender.

25. Juan Martin del Potro: Assuming his body cooperates, he's among the top five players in the draw.

26. Milos Roanic: Just riding the wave.

27. Marcos Baghdatis: If everything is clicking, he's dangerous. If not, he may not survive Frederico (don't cal me Turner) Gil in round one.
Dark-horse nation

Juan Ignacio Chela: Strong chance of reaching the middle weekend.

Ernests Gulbis: On talent alone.

Albert Montanes: Lost in the Spanish Armada.

Philipp Petzschner: Like fellow German Kohlschreiber, dangerous in any given match.
First-round matches to watch

Nadal v. Isner: Between this match and the Roddick withdrawal, American tennis fans better fly their flag early.

Federer v. Feliciano Lopez: Has F-Lo recovered from their last match in Madrid?

Sam Querrey v. Philipp Kohlschreiber: A great match if this were hard courts.

Kevin Anderson v. Nicolas Mahut: Pack a lunch.

Del Potro v. Karlovic: NBA scouts take note.

Del Potro v. Djokovic: A third-rounder but worth advance advertising.
Blue-plate upset special

Juan Monaco def. Fernando Verdasco
Doubles winners

Bob and Mike Bryan: The twins are due for a Slam win, especially since they won't run into any top singles players in the dubs draw.
Semifinals

Nadal def. Total Surprise (Dolgopolov?)
Djokovic def. Federer
Champion

Nadal

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jon_wertheim/05/20/french.open.mens.seed.report/index.html

Li Ching Yuen
05-20-2011, 08:49 PM
Well in his defense, he does write for Sports Illustrated.

Sunset of Age
05-20-2011, 08:56 PM
Wertheim is yapping on Murray's relatively easy draw (which is true), but doesn't think he'll make the semis. Ooookkkkaaayyyy...

In other words, the usual garbage.

r2473
05-20-2011, 09:02 PM
He seems to have put a lot of thought into this :rolleyes:

star
05-20-2011, 09:07 PM
Ah no. :sadface: RafaBaby is toast now. :sad:

Lurking
05-20-2011, 09:13 PM
In other words, the usual garbage.

Perfect for MTF consumption then.

The main stream media were all over Fedal at the AO and we all saw how that went, hopefully the same again.

Certinfy
05-20-2011, 09:13 PM
Wertheim is yapping on Murray's relatively easy draw (which is true), but doesn't think he'll make the semis. Ooookkkkaaayyyy...

In other words, the usual garbage.
:lol: So true.

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 10:08 PM
How does this guy make a living?

It can't be from writing about tennis, can it?

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 10:10 PM
And did he really use "quadrant" for "quarter"?

Lee
05-20-2011, 10:22 PM
Wonder has Jon followed tennis lately. Melzer, Youzhny and Wawa are not threatening anybody lately :o

star
05-20-2011, 10:39 PM
And did he really use "quadrant" for "quarter"?

It's not wrong to say it that way. His quadrant of the draw is the same as his quarter of the draw.

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 10:50 PM
It's not wrong to say it that way. His quadrant of the draw is the same as his quarter of the draw.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

A quadrant is one of the four quarters of a circle.

The draw isn't a circle.

Li Ching Yuen
05-20-2011, 10:55 PM
Sorry, but you're wrong.

A quadrant is one of the four quarters of a circle.

The draw isn't a circle.

That part of the article was just a little easter egg for the loyal fans.
Personally I enjoyed it.

This is where tennis analysis should be at.

Lee
05-21-2011, 12:43 AM
Sorry, but you're wrong.

A quadrant is one of the four quarters of a circle.

The draw isn't a circle.

that is one of the many definitions of quadrant. The noun can also be defined as "any of the four quarters into which something is divided by two real or imaginary lines that intersect each other at a right angle.

MayerFan
05-21-2011, 01:25 AM
that is one of the many definitions of quadrant. The noun can also be defined as "any of the four quarters into which something is divided by two real or imaginary lines that intersect each other at a right angle.

This is a bastardisation of this technical word.

Action Jackson
05-21-2011, 01:45 AM
Worthless at it again.

Farenhajt
05-21-2011, 01:54 AM
This is a bastardisation of this technical word.

Lee has the point here. In maths (ie. technically), quadrant is any of the four areas coordinate axes divide the plane into. The circle thing then comes NEXT, when trigonometry is introduced.

MayerFan
05-21-2011, 02:57 AM
Lee has the point here. In maths (ie. technically), quadrant is any of the four areas coordinate axes divide the plane into. The circle thing then comes NEXT, when trigonometry is introduced.

Nope.

I suggest you open the Oxford dictionary and read the first line.

Mimi
05-21-2011, 03:12 AM
another jinx for rafa :rolleyes:

abraxas21
05-21-2011, 03:15 AM
i didnt read all that in the OP but yah, i basically think pocahontas will take this. i don't think fako has what it takes to win RG.

Any other guy taking nadull out would be a huge surprise... a bit boring how predictable tennis is at the moment but it is what it is.

Mimi
05-21-2011, 03:54 AM
i didnt read all that in the OP but yah, i basically think pocahontas will take this. i don't think fako has what it takes to win RG.

Any other guy taking nadull out would be a huge surprise... a bit boring how predictable tennis is at the moment but it is what it is.

the man in your avator is capable of taking him out

Taz Warrior
05-21-2011, 09:58 AM
Bellucci the 4th favourite :spit:

Li Ching Yuen
05-21-2011, 10:35 AM
Given some of the comments in this thread, you kind of have to wonder if we actually watch the same sport.

tennisace28
05-21-2011, 10:37 AM
Cheers Jon Wertheim for the ultimate Kiss of Death for King Rafa. Everytime Jon picks his fav for a grandslam, the contendor is instantly doomed without fail. Just take a look at Jon's last 12 consecutive grand slam predictions. So that should seal rafa's fate. Joker is taking RG 2011. BOOK IT.

Commander Data
05-21-2011, 10:49 AM
http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0677750#m_en_gb0677750

It seems a bit odd to use the term quadrant when discussing the draw.

Lee
05-21-2011, 05:30 PM
http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0677750#m_en_gb0677750

It seems a bit odd to use the term quadrant when discussing the draw.

Jon is American and Americans use the Webster dictionary, not oxford ;) Take this as American English.

Sunset of Age
05-21-2011, 05:52 PM
Lee has the point here. In maths (ie. technically), quadrant is any of the four areas coordinate axes divide the plane into. The circle thing then comes NEXT, when trigonometry is introduced.

Jon is American and Americans use the Webster dictionary, not oxford ;) Take this as American English.

As for this completely OT matter: you are right. ;)

As for the article: Wertheim completely contradicts himself talking about Murray's chances; Bellucci as the 4rth 'seed' is quite ridiculous; Del Potro is coming back from yet another injury, so it's highly questionable if he'll be able to make a dent.
I do hope he's right on his #1 fav though. Fortunately I don't believe in jinxes.

SheepleBuster
05-21-2011, 05:54 PM
Top 16 seeds

1. Rafael Nadal: He may have a "1" next to his name. He may have won this event five times since 2005. But his reign as the King of Clay is imperiled after so many losses -- including a pair on clay -- to Novak Djokovic. The great subplot of this event of course: Can Nadal defend his territory or will Djokovic complete his invasion by beating Nadal in Paris? Here's hoping we get the final we're all expecting. As for a prediction, I'm zigging where others are zagging and going with Nadal. There's the best-of-five format. There's the slower surface (relative to Rome and Madrid). There's the built-in-vacillations of a rivalry. There's 38-1 career record at Roland Garros. Win five titles and you're the favorite until proven otherwise.

2. Novak Djokovic: He's been playing rather well of late -- perhaps you've heard. And he might have been more impressive on clay than he was on hard courts, having taking down The Beast (Nadal) on multiple occasions. It would surprise no one if Djokovic won, even with a draw that likely has him playing Juan Martin del Potro in round three. Doing so would consecrate a thoroughly dominant first half of the year.

3. Roger Federer: First, the good news. He's still Roger Federer. Just two years ago, he won this event. The bad news, of course, is that he really isn't still Roger Federer, at least not the world-beater who won with the consistency of tides. Given Djokovic's current form and Nadal's track record in Paris, Federer is a distant third. If that.

4. Andy Murray: For the second straight year, he struggled woefully after reaching the Aussie Open final. Fortunately, his form is returning. In Rome he came within a few points of upending the Djokovic Express. And he sure can't complain about his draw, unlikely as he is to play a top-100 opponent until round three.

5. Robin Soderling: The Butler Bulldogs of the French Open, the Sod has reached the final two years running. Recent Paris track record speaks for itself. But otherwise not a lot of momentum heading in.

6. Tomas Berdych: Czech in and Czech out. We still don't trust him, not over the course of seven matches. A big ballstriker with tons of talent, but his progress is too often sabotaged by his shaky mental performances.

7. David Ferrer: Enfants beware! Coming off a fine performance in his previous Slam, indefatigable Spaniard is precisely the kind of opponent no one wants to face, especially not on clay. But, as ever, he lacks the serve to win. And a reminder to fans: investigate on-site childcare before attending one of his matches.

8. Jurgen Melzer: A quiet eighth seed if ever there were one. But Austrian lefty can be a tricky player, especially on clay. Plus, like Murray, he won't face a top opponent until round three.

9. Gael Monfils: A fan favorite who is always fun to watch. (And now he might be playing in Maui Jim eyewear!) Monfils can beat anyone on a given day. But he lacks the consistency, the fitness and mental fortitude to win majors.

10. Mardy Fish: First, props to Fish for a top 10 status, especially at this stage of the game. Has yet to have to a real breakthrough at a major and it's unlikely to come on clay and in such proximity to Nadal.

11. Nicolas Almagro: Have to admire anyone with the body of a middle reliever who competes at this level. Fun, expressive player -- watch him if you can. But he's not a threat to win a major.

12. Mikhail Youzhny: Always dangerous, never quite seems to get it done. Nice draw and the quarters are a possibility. But it's hard to see him winning the Djokovic-Delpo quadrant.

13. Richard Gasquet: His curve of a career is now trending up. Tons of talent -- as always -- and he's coming off a win over Federer. As always there's a question about how well he will handle the pressure of competing in front of his people. Plus a potentially tough first rounder against veteran Radek Stepanek.

14. Stan Wawrinka: Not unlike Youzhny, a dangerous lurker -- though he seems to have plateaued as 10-16 guy.

15. Viktor Troicki: Streaky Serb capable of exceptional and exceptionally lousy tennis -- sometimes within the same match. Catch him on a hot day and look out. Catch him on the wrong day and he could go out in straight sets.

16. Fernando Verdasco: Lots of false starts for a player with top-five talent. Tough first rounder against Juan Monaco.
Seeds 17-32

17. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga: Sadly, he's become the Tracy McGrady of tennis. Tons of talent but unable to avoid the injury bug. Maybe hometown fans will give him a boost.

21. Alex Dolgopolov: Hasn't built much on Aussie Open success but future top tenner who moves well and plays the kind of efficient, no-nonsense tennis that ought to translate well to clay.

23. Thomaz Bellucci: Here's a player no one wants near him. After the Big Three, he might be the next contender.

25. Juan Martin del Potro: Assuming his body cooperates, he's among the top five players in the draw.

26. Milos Roanic: Just riding the wave.

27. Marcos Baghdatis: If everything is clicking, he's dangerous. If not, he may not survive Frederico (don't cal me Turner) Gil in round one.
Dark-horse nation

Juan Ignacio Chela: Strong chance of reaching the middle weekend.

Ernests Gulbis: On talent alone.

Albert Montanes: Lost in the Spanish Armada.

Philipp Petzschner: Like fellow German Kohlschreiber, dangerous in any given match.
First-round matches to watch

Nadal v. Isner: Between this match and the Roddick withdrawal, American tennis fans better fly their flag early.

Federer v. Feliciano Lopez: Has F-Lo recovered from their last match in Madrid?

Sam Querrey v. Philipp Kohlschreiber: A great match if this were hard courts.

Kevin Anderson v. Nicolas Mahut: Pack a lunch.

Del Potro v. Karlovic: NBA scouts take note.

Del Potro v. Djokovic: A third-rounder but worth advance advertising.
Blue-plate upset special

Juan Monaco def. Fernando Verdasco
Doubles winners

Bob and Mike Bryan: The twins are due for a Slam win, especially since they won't run into any top singles players in the dubs draw.
Semifinals

Nadal def. Total Surprise (Dolgopolov?)
Djokovic def. Federer
Champion

Nadal

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jon_wertheim/05/20/french.open.mens.seed.report/index.html

Jon is a shill for ATP. I have no disrespect for this guy. He picks the #1 guy all the time. He is useless. He was picking Roddick when he was #1. Then Fed when he was #1. Now it's Nadal's turn and then Djokovic's

Sapeod
05-21-2011, 06:20 PM
Who's this tool? Murray behind Bellucci?? :spit: This is a grand slam, not Madrid :wavey: Murray is the 4th favourite by far (though he could lose to Almagro) so how on Earth is he behind Bellucci? What an idiot this guy is. Not in the semi-finals? At least you could've put Almagro there instead, but no. He thinks Dolgopolov will reach the quarters :spit: Tool.

DrJules
06-01-2011, 07:02 AM
If Nadal wins today he will have picked 3 of the 4 semi-finalists.

Pirata.
06-01-2011, 09:21 AM
7. David Ferrer: Enfants beware! Coming off a fine performance in his previous Slam, indefatigable Spaniard is precisely the kind of opponent no one wants to face, especially not on clay. But, as ever, he lacks the serve to win. And a reminder to fans: investigate on-site childcare before attending one of his matches.

:o

Are we still going on about this utter bs story?

Utter clown, this Wertheim.

abraxas21
06-06-2011, 07:02 PM
real deal this wertheim