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Federer: "If I compare myself with my 2005 level, I certainly play better today"

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 05:39 AM
just :lol:

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub9CD731D06F17450CB39BE001000DD173/Doc~E61331CC37B724B84B4B7E3CE6A75B749~ATpl~Ecommon ~Scontent.html

Topspindoctor
05-19-2011, 06:00 AM
The old man is growing senile :o

Alex999
05-19-2011, 06:05 AM
right, lol. What is he saying about Djokovic in that article?

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 06:10 AM
right, lol. What is he saying about Djokovic in that article?

using the google translator:

Have you kept your level or have decreased? Are the competitors got better?
If I compare myself with 2005, I play better today, certainly. We have improved all of us. All of the distances from the tip are much closer, so it's harder still to win all the time. I am no longer so dominant has to do with the fact that I have changed my plans. 2005, 2006 and 2007 I have many Masters 1000 (after the four Grand Slam tournaments biggest tournaments) left out, everything set to smaller tournaments. I have done a lot of breaks to recover.

Just as now it just Djokovic did with the abandonment of Monte Carlo?
Yes, Novak then again only played in Belgrade - and won. So there was his series and he has received further fueled self-confidence. So I had it for a long time and held until the review by the ATP, the players and tournaments was so loud. I then decided to play as all Masters 1000, or at least seven or eight out of nine. I do it because it's good for tennis, although I play now rather than 15 and 16 Finals. But I wonder if I'll be back next year at Indian Wells and play it directly in Miami.

Against Djokovic, you have now lost three times in succession. How do you stop such negative series?
I have him beaten twice before. But we are both good players too, as if that one of us lose two times in series. In Australia it was quite close, in Indian Wells, I was once again very close. Novak is now in a phase where it can easily thrash the balls on it. But yeah, I think about what I need to change the next time against him.

Djokovic is without doubt the man of the first half. Would you have expected him in the duel Nadal - Federer to intervene?
It takes a long time he had. For some time passes between Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and myself back and forth. Late last year, I gained more against the top five, now it's Djokovic.

Macbrother
05-19-2011, 06:12 AM
Oh Fedmug. :lol:

ballbasher101
05-19-2011, 06:14 AM
The field has improved there is no doubt about that. In the past Federer was the best mover now he is not even in the top 3. Certain aspects of his game like serve have improved in my view but the slower courts currently nullify the serve. He is more mature and knows his game but he does not have the stamina to keep hitting those miraculous shots of his. His game is easy on the body but playing against the likes of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray who get everything back is not easy. So all in all I think he has lost effectiveness in certain areas whilst also gaining in other areas.

Alex999
05-19-2011, 06:22 AM
using the google translator:
Thanks. I used Babel Fish to translate the whole article. If anybody is interested here is the link. It's not perfect but it's not too bad either.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub9CD731D06F 17450CB39BE001000DD173%2FDoc~E61331CC37B724B84B4B7 E3CE6A75B749~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

I like when he says "I do not feel necessarily as number three, although the classification surely says the truth. But I am presented with tournaments not as number three, but as Roger Federer". ;)

Topspindoctor
05-19-2011, 06:36 AM
The field has improved there is no doubt about that. In the past Federer was the best mover now he is not even in the top 3. Certain aspects of his game like serve have improved in my view but the slower courts currently nullify the serve. He is more mature and knows his game but he does not have the stamina to keep hitting those miraculous shots of his. His game is easy on the body but playing against the likes of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray who get everything back is not easy. So all in all I think he has lost effectiveness in certain areas whilst also gaining in other areas.

:lol:

Olderer's serve is powderpuff right now compared to 2005.

Argenbrit
05-19-2011, 06:41 AM
Is this a joke? :confused:

His ego seems to be blinding him.

Polikarpov
05-19-2011, 07:05 AM
:sad:

finishingmove
05-19-2011, 07:05 AM
:spit:

Say Hey Kid
05-19-2011, 07:19 AM
Roddick says the same thing.

Farenhajt
05-19-2011, 07:24 AM
After all these feats, it's basically rather sad he's doing all he can to become yesterday's news as quickly as possible.

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 07:29 AM
And yet, just 5 short months ago, commentators/sports writers were saying Fed at the WTF was playing some of the best tennis of his career.

DrJules
05-19-2011, 07:40 AM
On a tennis skill basis he possibly has improved.

Does he believe his fitness, speed, balance and movement have improved. They all seem to have declined slightly resulting in him less effectively able to deploy his game and not being so well positioned to hit his shots which has resulted in more unforced errors.

On the mental side of the game increased age seems to have generated more uncertainty and made him more cautious. Greater numbers of unforced errors have also driven the mental change.

Time Violation
05-19-2011, 07:42 AM
Fed is like wine, 5 more years or so and he'll be perfect :D

I.C.H.
05-19-2011, 07:59 AM
picking out a few translated phrases is a bit poor. the full interview (in german) makes a lot of sense, let´s just wait and see. this american-style mindset of de facto only seeing and respecting the current "number 1"/most in-form/most successful player (and probably in addition, some uprising talents with a couple of more or less big wins) is actually annoying.

Pirata.
05-19-2011, 08:00 AM
Roger :facepalm:
Rafatards :facepalm:
Noletards :facepalm:

ossie
05-19-2011, 08:02 AM
the man himself says it and the tards on this board still think they are smarter than him and all the experts in the tennis world. seriously the stupidity on this forum never ceases to amaze me.

Topspindoctor
05-19-2011, 08:02 AM
Roger :facepalm:
Rafatards :facepalm:
Noletards :facepalm:

You are enjoying the new :facepalm: smiley a lot, aren't you.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 08:39 AM
Fact1: "Nole" is the most retarded alignment of letters I have ever had the misfortune of reading in my entire life.
Fact2: Compared to 2005, Federer is as confident and mentally strong as Verdasco on a daily basis.
Fact3: More than 15 years spent playing in the highest echelon of tennis and Federer is still blissfully tactically unaware
Fact4: Everytime Federer manages to hit 3 consecutive I-O forehands I jump out of my couch and do the Macarena. It's a rare feat these days.
Fact5: Further proof of his mental fortitude, Roger seems to be bringing out his lowest level of serving when up against Nadal or Djokovic.
Fact6: If Federer ditched Paul "Fuck's going on guys" Annacone and hired Murray to be his coach he would return to number one.
Fact7: This forum fucking sucks.
Fact8: I hate you.
Fact9: All of the above are true.

Foxy
05-19-2011, 08:47 AM
Of course he is more complete player now compared to 2005 or 2006. Everything he does now is better than 2005 but unfortunately the competition grew stronger as well. It is the natural evolution in tennis. Everyone who believes otherwise is pretty much delusional and lives in the past.

Arkulari
05-19-2011, 08:48 AM
Roger is now sitting back and trolling everyone :lol:

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 08:53 AM
Of course he is more complete player now compared to 2005 or 2006. Everything he does now is better than 2005 but unfortunately the competition grew stronger as well. It is the natural evolution in tennis. Everyone who believes otherwise is pretty much delusional and lives in the past.

You weren't even watching tennis in 2005, who are you to make assessments?

buzz
05-19-2011, 09:16 AM
Technically Federer is better than his dominant years, his moving and explosiveness probably a little worse. But he is spot on when he says the competition improved a lot. Look at the djokovic and Nadal fitness level that is just a lot better than hewitt/roddick/Safin etc in 2005, wich again is a lot better than the tops fitness level in 2000 when Hewitt was kind of dominant with fitness as his main weapon.

Castafiore
05-19-2011, 09:22 AM
Let me have a go at the translation of parts of the interview:

Haben Sie Ihr Niveau gehalten oder haben Sie nachgelassen? Sind die Konkurrenten besser geworden?
Wenn ich mich mit 2005 vergleiche, spiele ich heute sicherlich besser. Wir haben uns alle verbessert. Ganz sicherlich sind die Abstände an der Spitze viel enger geworden, so dass es noch schwieriger ist, die ganze Zeit zu gewinnen. Dass ich nicht mehr so dominant bin, hat auch damit zu tun, dass ich meine Planung umgestellt habe. 2005, 2006 und 2007 habe ich viele Masters 1000 (die nach den vier Grand-Slam-Turnieren größten Turniere) ausgelassen und mehr auf kleinere Turniere gesetzt. Ich habe mir viele Pausen gegönnt, um zu regenerieren.

So wie es jetzt gerade Djokovic mit dem Verzicht auf Monte Carlo getan hat?
Ja, Novak hat dann erst wieder in Belgrad gespielt - und gewonnen. So blieb seine Serie erhalten und er hat weiter Selbstvertrauen getankt. So habe ich es lange Zeit auch gehalten, bis die Kritik von der ATP, den Spielern und von Turnieren so laut wurde. Ich habe mich dann entschieden, möglichst alle Masters 1000 zu spielen oder zumindest sieben oder acht von neun. Ich mache das, weil es gut fürs Tennis ist, obwohl ich jetzt nicht mehr 15 und 16 Finals spiele. Aber ich überlege mir, ob ich nächstes Jahr wieder in Indian Wells und direkt danach in Miami spielen werde.

My translation:
Did you keep your level or did it drop? Did the competition get better?
When I compare myself with 2005, I’m certainly playing better. We’ve all improved. Most certainly, the gap between the top players has become narrower and as a result of that, it’s becoming harder to keep on winning all the time. The fact that I’m no longer as dominant is also due to the fact that I’ve changed my schedule. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, I withdrew from a lot of Masters 100 tournaments (the most important tournaments after the four grand slam tournaments) and I focused more on the smaller tournaments. I allowed myself a lot of breaks to recuperate.

Just like what Djokovic just did by opting not to play in Monte Carlo?
Yes, after that, Novak did play in Belgrade – and he won it. This way, he could prolong his streak and he has fuelled his self-confidence. That’s how I did it for a long time as well, until the criticism from the ATP, the players and the tournaments grew so loud. It made me decide to play all the Masters 1000 when possible or at least 7 or 8 out of 9. I do this because it’s good for tennis, even though I no longer play 15 or 16 finals. However, I’m still thinking about whether I should play Indian Wells next year, immediately followed by Miami.

Chiseller
05-19-2011, 09:24 AM
What Jules said
He's spot on as always

marquez
05-19-2011, 09:38 AM
Fed is like wine, 5 more years or so and he'll be perfect :D



youre talking about di mauro here, no?

Chris Kuerten
05-19-2011, 09:46 AM
Fact4: Everytime Federer manages to hit 3 consecutive I-O forehands I jump out of my couch and do the Macarena. It's a rare feat these days.

Why did I have to visualise this :haha:

Corey Feldman
05-19-2011, 09:50 AM
sad to see Fed becoming deluded

cocrcici
05-19-2011, 10:04 AM
You weren't even watching tennis in 2005, who are you to make assessments?

Foxy




Join Date: Apr 2004

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 10:06 AM
Foxy




Join Date: Apr 2004

then again, recent studies show that 68.4% of nadaltards dont actually watch tennis, they just droll over nadull's 'natural' muscles.

Jomp1
05-19-2011, 10:06 AM
Roger's movement and speed is declining by the day, that's why he can't keep up. He's constantly mis-timing shots because of this, especially when he's put under pressure. That will certainly never get better again.

tests
05-19-2011, 10:07 AM
And yet, just 5 short months ago, commentators/sports writers were saying Fed at the WTF was playing some of the best tennis of his career.


Its funny how so many people love brining out his WTF performance. FEDERERs game is best suited for surfaces like the WTF (indoors). NOTHING PLAYS LIKE INDOORS IN THE SLAMS. If federer was playing in a slam which had an indooresque surface.. he would dominate plain and simple.

That fed we saw at WTF was an anomaly... because it was indoor surface

Corey Feldman
05-19-2011, 10:07 AM
You weren't even watching tennis in 2005, who are you to make assessments?:lol:

tests
05-19-2011, 10:10 AM
either federer is INCREDIBLY delusional.... or federer's dominance was INCREDIBLY overrated.

You decide

Hellraiser
05-19-2011, 10:10 AM
Fedex should change dealer.

Commander Data
05-19-2011, 10:20 AM
It is probably very hard for a top athlete to admit that he is declining while he is investing so much time and energy in improving. so admitting that you are not improving is almost admitting failure.

I see it also with Nadal who is still talking about improving, frankly I don't believe Nadal will improve anything he is playing worse then in 2008, so is Federer.

On the other hand, they try to keep a positive mind frame which is good and crucial.

Sophocles
05-19-2011, 10:33 AM
His dropshots are better.

bokehlicious
05-19-2011, 10:35 AM
His drive backhand is way more consistant these days, other than that everything is supbar compared to 2005.

paseo
05-19-2011, 10:44 AM
This is bad. Is there no one close to him that's brave enough to slap some sense into him? Somebody needs to beat it into him that he's old, he's slower, and he's missing shots that he regularly made with ease in the past. Change your goddamn tactics, man! This is 2011 not 2005. You're not gonna beat these youngsters by going toe-to-toe with them. YOU'RE OLD!! They're faster and more durable than you! Strategize! Stop living in the past, damn it!! Come on!! damn!!!!

Nole fan
05-19-2011, 11:09 AM
Federer knows better than all of you together.

henke007
05-19-2011, 11:26 AM
Offcourse his game has developed in regards to the change in surface speeds and new opponents etc and he has added a thing or 2 in his arsenal. But his speed has decreased the last year i think and maybe he isn't putting in as many hours on fitness as before for all tourneys except GS and the masters where he think he has a chance (faster surfaces)

emotion
05-19-2011, 11:26 AM
just delusional?

freeandlonely
05-19-2011, 11:30 AM
His dropshots are better.


especially forehand dropshot
probably cause he needs it more to shorter points
that said, he can do everything if he want
except against the time

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-19-2011, 11:34 AM
On a tennis skill basis he possibly has improved.

Does he believe his fitness, speed, balance and movement have improved. They all seem to have declined slightly resulting in him less effectively able to deploy his game and not being so well positioned to hit his shots which has resulted in more unforced errors.

On the mental side of the game increased age seems to have generated more uncertainty and made him more cautious. Greater numbers of unforced errors have also driven the mental change.

this

Mentally Roger is not the man he was back then. His opponents bend over to him at that point. Nowadays they know they kan disturb him
its a HUGE difference. But with that said thats normal. Its happening to Rafa now on clay. Its happens to everybody. Bjorn Borg didnt loose much. When Mcenroe suddenly won Borg retired.
Federer has retired a little bit in his mind maybe?

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-19-2011, 11:37 AM
His dropshots are better.

:D good one. True too.
He didnt believe in dropshot back then.:sad:

mikkemus23
05-19-2011, 12:07 PM
His serve-dropshot is way better now. As for the rest, foggdaboutit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT714mG17bA&feature=related

oranges
05-19-2011, 12:10 PM
:haha:

Lleyton_
05-19-2011, 12:21 PM
Deluderer :o

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 12:24 PM
Fed should really watch his videos from 2005 sometimes

Sophocles
05-19-2011, 12:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9CaJROylE8

Yep, he's every bit as good as he was. NOT.

solowyn
05-19-2011, 12:31 PM
Deluderer :o
:lol: Winner.

barahmasa
05-19-2011, 12:37 PM
Of course he is more complete player now compared to 2005 or 2006. Everything he does now is better than 2005 but unfortunately the competition grew stronger as well. It is the natural evolution in tennis. Everyone who believes otherwise is pretty much delusional and lives in the past.

Sorry man, but what your saying is just so plain stupid, I mean trying to convince as that a 30 year old tennis player, after having played tons and tons of matches in an era of very physical tennis for more than a decade is doing everything better ATM than he used to when he was 24? :o

Do you watch tennis at all, I mean in 2005 Roger could hit impossible shots from very difficult court positions in series, now he can't even put two second serve returns in play in a row, and his groundies ATM... So please don't embarras yourself :o

buzz
05-19-2011, 12:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9CaJROylE8

Yep, he's every bit as good as he was. NOT.

what is this movie supposed to prove, I know Fabrice is a legend.., but not because of the way hey punishes Federers backhand slice with his twohanded pushes most of the time

Sophocles
05-19-2011, 12:44 PM
what is this movie supposed to prove, I know Fabrice is a legend.., but not because of the way hey punishes Federers backhand slice with his twohanded pushes most of the time

It shows how good Federer was in 2005. His slice, return of serve, passing shots, & movement were all way better than they are now.

Pirata.
05-19-2011, 12:53 PM
Federer knows better than all of you together.

Nole fan speaking some sense here :worship:

Sophocles
05-19-2011, 12:55 PM
Please quote me any sportsman in history who has ever said towards the end of his career, "Fuck it, you know what, I'm just shit now?"

henke007
05-19-2011, 01:01 PM
I think he was pretty fast on his feet in 2009 ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvcIJqCDj58&feature=related

nobama
05-19-2011, 01:04 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29

barahmasa
05-19-2011, 01:05 PM
Nole fan speaking some sense here :worship:

If you're beeing ironic than yes....
Nole fan is known for his tardish tries to elevate his idol by saying nonsensesses like Fed hasn't really declined so much (Sampras said it!) but it's nole that has risen so much that he's now much better than this near-prime Federer :o

We'll see what will he be saying when Nole's 30 (if he even still watches tennis at that moment), but I kind of doubt he will say the same shit about him (not really declining but his younger rivals becoming so much better than him).... :wavey:

nevenez
05-19-2011, 01:09 PM
Fed should really watch his videos from 2005 sometimes

:worship::worship::worship:

bokehlicious
05-19-2011, 01:10 PM
If you're beeing ironic than yes....
Nole fan is known for his tardish tries to elevate his idol by saying nonsensesses like Fed hasn't really declined so much (Sampras said it!) but it's nole that has risen so much that he's now much better than this near-prime Federer :o

We'll see what will he be saying when Nole's 30 (if he even still watches tennis at that moment), but I kind of doubt he will say the same shit about him (not really declining but his younger rivals becoming so much better than him).... :wavey:

:yeah:

romismak
05-19-2011, 01:23 PM
Nice interview with Roger. First of all you must to read it in german - original.You will understand and get much more from that. All this internet translators are not good enough i think. Who don´t understand german just should skip this interview - there is a lot of other with Roger in english too i think. I found also interresting off-tennis topics like his personal life and so on about his twin daughters. But one think is sure - even if Federer won´t admitt or is delusional about his game, there are 2 thing- one his overall game i think his tennis skills are better and improoved, it is like he is now old maestro and few years ago was just young developing guy, but about his fittness, stamina and speed - they have all decreased - it is logical, because man-male athlete is at peak in term of physical abilities and strongnes, power, speed when is 24to26 years old, so Federer near 30 can´t be faster on the court than Federer who was 25. But not only Roger, also Roddick and Nole have been talking like everything is faster now on the court - when Nole was comparing present with 2-3 years back he told also that present players are all bettter, faster, bigger and so on. The game is just more powefull and everybody is developing their speed, stamina and fitness, maybe few years ago was Roger after young Rafa 2nd fastest guy or fittest, but now he is probably not even in top 10 - he is just to old to compete with 24 years old guys - who are how he said new generation - he can beat them only if they compete in area of skills and tennis talent and abilities - so definetely clay as slowest surface give all advantages that Roger has away. That is why is best nowadays on fast indoor courts- where he can use his serve- which is better than any top player has - Rafa, Djoker, Andy all are far behind Roger in serve statistics and overall serve. Also on fast courts he can use his natural skills and talent like great forehand winners, push with few great shots someone wide from the court and so on.

SerialKillerToBe
05-19-2011, 01:27 PM
So basically Roger is admitting that all of his accomplishments mean nothing considering that the field is just "better" now?

Whatever floats your boat Roger...;)

buzz
05-19-2011, 01:27 PM
It shows how good Federer was in 2005. His slice, return of serve, passing shots, & movement were all way better than they are now.

lol, Federer beats santoro here 7-5, 7-5, 7-6(2), with quite a few flashy exhibition shots, 4.5 years after Santoro reached his career high no17. I know Santoro later said it was his best match of his life, but this doesn't show how good Federer was playing against somebody who plays like the 2011 Djokovic, 2011 Nadal or any other 2011 top10 player.

barahmasa
05-19-2011, 01:29 PM
So basically Roger is admitting that all of his accomplishments mean nothing considering that the field is just "better" now?

Whatever floats your boat Roger...;)

he was never really known for intelligent remarks...

Start da Game
05-19-2011, 01:32 PM
blind fedloving breed should eat it and digest if they can, something which is coming straight from their god himself.......

fed has my respect for this, he is speaking the truth.......this is what we have been trumpeting in the ears of the blind breed for years now.......it's not that his level has declined but more that the field has caught up to him.......i personally noticed that his serve, backhand and return have improved a lot since 2005.......experience teaches you many things and fed is just echoing that.......

blind buffoons would never believe when we said this, now that their god himself is saying this, it feels awesome....... :haha:

for a change fed finally becomes honest, instead of trashtalking everybody.......he is finally realizing what type of rivals are around him these days.......

nole_no1
05-19-2011, 01:36 PM
Maybe he was drunk when he said that
Or maybe he thinks this era is much better than the one in 2005

delboy
05-19-2011, 01:41 PM
poor olderer is going senile. get him in an old peoples home asap.

BRENTIN25
05-19-2011, 01:45 PM
what was he on? i want some to!!

barahmasa
05-19-2011, 01:49 PM
blind fedloving breed should eat it and digest if they can, something which is coming straight from their god himself.......

fed has my respect for this, he is speaking the truth.......this is what we have been trumpeting in the ears of the blind breed for years now.......it's not that his level has declined but more that the field has caught up to him.......i personally noticed that his serve, backhand and return have improved a lot since 2005.......experience teaches you many things and fed is just echoing that.......

blind buffoons would never believe when we said this, now that their god himself is saying this, it feels awesome....... :haha:

for a change fed finally becomes honest, instead of trashtalking everybody.......he is finally realizing what type of rivals are around him these days.......


:haha: :haha: :haha:

My god what a pathetic troll you are... :o

I guess when Rafa is 30 (if he's still a n ATP player by then) then the situation will be totally different, of course his losses will always be caused by his natural age related decline and not by the super state of the new evolved tennis that has surpassed him, n'est-ce pas? :stupid:

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 01:50 PM
So basically Roger is admitting that all of his accomplishments mean nothing considering that the field is just "better" now?

Whatever floats your boat Roger...;)

Yup. Guess the same thing went for Laver between his two CYGS - tennis level in the field rose, so his first CYGS accomplishment is nothing. Seriously, do you really think the level of any sport stands still, or was all that talk about better racket technology and nutrition just so much drivel. Won't the field in 10 years be better than it is now as a natural evolution of sports?

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 01:54 PM
Sheez, I didn't know Rog is an occasional pot smoker. :smoke:
Never a dull moment with the guy! :yeah:

(seriously: :cuckoo: ???)

DrJules
05-19-2011, 02:01 PM
Nice interview with Roger. First of all you must to read it in german - original.You will understand and get much more from that. All this internet translators are not good enough i think. Who don´t understand german just should skip this interview - there is a lot of other with Roger in english too i think. I found also interresting off-tennis topics like his personal life and so on about his twin daughters. But one think is sure - even if Federer won´t admitt or is delusional about his game, there are 2 thing- one his overall game i think his tennis skills are better and improoved, it is like he is now old maestro and few years ago was just young developing guy, but about his fittness, stamina and speed - they have all decreased - it is logical, because man-male athlete is at peak in term of physical abilities and strongnes, power, speed when is 24to26 years old, so Federer near 30 can´t be faster on the court than Federer who was 25. But not only Roger, also Roddick and Nole have been talking like everything is faster now on the court - when Nole was comparing present with 2-3 years back he told also that present players are all bettter, faster, bigger and so on. The game is just more powefull and everybody is developing their speed, stamina and fitness, maybe few years ago was Roger after young Rafa 2nd fastest guy or fittest, but now he is probably not even in top 10 - he is just to old to compete with 24 years old guys - who are how he said new generation - he can beat them only if they compete in area of skills and tennis talent and abilities - so definetely clay as slowest surface give all advantages that Roger has away. That is why is best nowadays on fast indoor courts- where he can use his serve- which is better than any top player has - Rafa, Djoker, Andy all are far behind Roger in serve statistics and overall serve. Also on fast courts he can use his natural skills and talent like great forehand winners, push with few great shots someone wide from the court and so on.

Agree with this comment and consistent with what I thought.

Yes his tennis may be better, but he is certainly physically not so impressive.

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 02:04 PM
physically, mentally, tactically he's worse
how can he say he's better is beyond me

AndyNonomous
05-19-2011, 02:07 PM
It's called DENIAL. When he starts losing in the early rounds more, and his ranking drops out of the top 10, he will finally face reality. Roger will retire before the end of the 2012 season (maybe even earlier) when he finally realizes what everybody else already knows.

People believe what they want to believe. There are actually people out there that believe that a "grip change" can have a significant improvement on a player's serve mid-career, or that a "gluten free" diet can make a dramatic improvement in stamina for somebody with mild alergy. :rolleyes:

Start da Game
05-19-2011, 02:08 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

My god what a pathetic troll you are... :o

I guess when Rafa is 30 (if he's still a n ATP player by then) then the situation will be totally different, of course his losses will always be caused by his natural age related decline and not by the super state of the new evolved tennis that has surpassed him, n'est-ce pas? :stupid:

what a pathetic comparison.......nadal has mechanically already put in 10 times of work that fed put in so far in his career.......if that is any clue for you, it should tell you that nadal's game is 10 times more physical than fed's has ever been.......

let me conduct a small quiz,

1. who bails himself out of trouble serving ace(or unreturned serve) after ace?

2. who held serves 80% of the time in his career with minimum fuss and maximum efficiency on both first and second deliveries?

3. who wins points at the net regularly?

the common answer for all those questions can be guessed by anybody.......

on the other hand, all clay god has is his forehand and backhand.......he has to perform dog fights for every point when he is not even at his usual level.......why even 30, he will slow down in 2 years time when he hits 27.......

there's a certain drop in fed's foot speed but what you mugs fail to realize about his game is exactly what he says here.......his game is not as reliant on movement as nadal's is.......

for nadal, drop in movement = drop in everything.......for fed even if his legs are tied rock tight, he can still stand and do three things better than 99% of the tour.......serve, return of serve and slice.......

Start da Game
05-19-2011, 02:09 PM
physically, mentally, tactically he's worse
how can he say he's better is beyond me

cry and cry until there's no other way but to admit it....... :haha:

Vida
05-19-2011, 02:17 PM
fed is sending a warning his craziness will be evident for some time. he just cant shake all the projections.

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 02:19 PM
cry and cry until there's no other way but to admit it....... :haha:

Federer is the best player ever :)
and also the one who's won more :)

Clay Death
05-19-2011, 02:22 PM
what a pathetic comparison.......nadal has mechanically already put in 10 times of work that fed put in so far in his career.......if that is any clue for you, it should tell you that nadal's game is 10 times more physical than fed's has ever been.......

let me conduct a small quiz,

1. who bails himself out of trouble serving ace(or unreturned serve) after ace?

2. who held serves 80% of the time in his career with minimum fuss and maximum efficiency on both first and second deliveries?

3. who wins points at the net regularly?

the common answer for all those questions can be guessed by anybody.......

on the other hand, all clay god has is his forehand and backhand.......he has to perform dog fights for every point when he is not even at his usual level.......why even 30, he will slow down in 2 years time when he hits 27.......

there's a certain drop in fed's foot speed but what you mugs fail to realize about his game is exactly what he says here.......his game is not as reliant on movement as nadal's is.......

for nadal, drop in movement = drop in everything.......for fed even if his legs are tied rock tight, he can still stand and do three things better than 99% of the tour.......serve, return of serve and slice.......



excellent post from general shankar as usual.


fed`s level has not dropped all that significantly. its just that the field has improved now. we just dont know how badly he wants to fight out there these days. he has a family now and he is worth over $300 million. finally how much more can one man achieve.

mystic ice cube
05-19-2011, 02:25 PM
Well, to be fair I've never seen Fed play better than in glimpses at the WTF just at the end of last year. I don't think it's completely gone yet. I think it's just consistency that has diminished over the years. That, and of course the tour has gotten better.

bouncer7
05-19-2011, 02:27 PM
Whata absurd situation here, fedtards refuse even to believe at his words. Next they will look at stars, hope that some astrologer can help them.

Mungo
05-19-2011, 02:29 PM
Yep, the difference is this a stronger era. LOL at all serve Roddick, past his prime Hewitt and headcase Safin being his biggest threats to win majors.

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 02:32 PM
Whata absurd situation here, fedtards refuse even to believe at his words. Next they will look at stars, hope that some astrologer can help them.

I think nadal has said many times that Federer is the best player ever, any Rafatard agrees with him? :shrug:

star
05-19-2011, 02:38 PM
I think what Federer is saying is normal for a player. Billie Jean King thought that in her later years she knew better than she ever had how to play tennis, but she couldn't execute in match play what she knew. Her body didn't allow her to play the way she wanted to play. Also Chris Evert thought she was a much better player in her later years, but she had different competition, and she also said that she couldn't concentrate the way she once had. Maybe there's something of that going on with Federer too.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 02:39 PM
Well, to be fair I've never seen Fed play better than in glimpses at the WTF just at the end of last year. I don't think it's completely gone yet. I think it's just consistency that has diminished over the years. That, and of course the tour has gotten better.

That's just bollocks. How can you even say that?

True, he served ok, and his backahand was as good as anytime in the past especially hitting over it, AND against Nadal but all in all, he was still nowhere near his form of 05/06.

Back then, the guy was just hitting forehand winners from everywhere on the court: on the run, out-wide, while returning 140mph serves, half-volleying left and right etc.
Plus the absolute insane speed around the court and footwork.

And wtf with that second set?...The Federer of old wouldn't have had that brainfart of epic proportions. Nadal was the same throughout the match.

Last time Federer has been close to his level of 05/06 was Cincinnati 2009(SF's and F). There he had plenty moments that reminded me of his best years.

Sophocles
05-19-2011, 02:39 PM
lol, Federer beats santoro here 7-5, 7-5, 7-6(2), with quite a few flashy exhibition shots, 4.5 years after Santoro reached his career high no17. I know Santoro later said it was his best match of his life, but this doesn't show how good Federer was playing against somebody who plays like the 2011 Djokovic, 2011 Nadal or any other 2011 top10 player.

He's not exclusively playing Top 10 players now, is he, Einstein?

Certinfy
05-19-2011, 02:41 PM
:lol:

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 02:43 PM
R. Nadal - "Federer is the best player in history, no other player has ever had such quality."

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 02:43 PM
I think what Federer is saying is normal for a player. Billie Jean King thought that in her later years she knew better than she ever had how to play tennis, but she couldn't execute in match play what she knew. Her body didn't allow her to play the way she wanted to play. Also Chris Evert thought she was a much better player in her later years, but she had different competition, and she also said that she couldn't concentrate the way she once had. Maybe there's something of that going on with Federer too.

:secret: Of course. No top player when still playing at top level will ever admit in public that his level of playing has decreased the past couple of years, however much delusional the claim might sound. This thread does serve its purpose as an excellent troll attempt though. :)

thrust
05-19-2011, 02:44 PM
Is this a joke? :confused:

His ego seems to be blinding him.

It ususally is difficult for older players to accept the reality that their bodies and reflexes are not as sharp as they were in their early and mid 20's. Roger is still a great player and greatest stylist on court, but he needs to limit his torunament play. He should forget about ever being #1 again. If he stays healthy he should have little trouble remaining in the top 5 or 8, therefore, with a more limited scheduld he would have a better chance of winning slams or other top events. His main competition: Nadal, Novak, and Murray are better players than in 05-08. Roger is or near 30 and just past his physical prime, which is time for a schedule and playing adjustment.

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 02:47 PM
That's just bollocks. How can you even say that?

True, he served ok, and his backahand was as good as anytime in the past especially hitting over it, AND against Nadal but all in all, he was still nowhere near his form of 05/06.

Back then, the guy was just hitting forehand winners from everywhere on the court: on the run, out-wide, while returning 140mph serves, half-volleying left and right etc.
Plus the absolute insane speed around the court and footwork.

And wtf with that second set?...The Federer of old wouldn't have had that brainfart of epic proportions. Nadal was the same throughout the match.

Last time Federer has been close to his level of 05/06 was Cincinnati 2009(SF's and F). There he had plenty moments that reminded me of his best years.

You kidding right? AO 2005 SF vs Safin. Possibly the biggest brainfart of his entire career :(

Johnny Groove
05-19-2011, 02:52 PM
Federer's entire game technique wise is better, but his movement, mentality, and explosiveness have declined, which obviously makes him seem not as good as 2005.

bouncer7
05-19-2011, 02:52 PM
I think nadal has said many times that Federer is the best player ever, any Rafatard agrees with him? :shrug:

i don't know, ask them. Rafa is just humble boy ful respect to opponents and he will never tell that he is best and everybody knows that. So if you don't believe in words of your idol, what stoppin you to stare at stars and ask for some help.

Julio
05-19-2011, 02:53 PM
Too good this Roger.

Johnny Groove
05-19-2011, 02:57 PM
I think nadal has said many times that Federer is the best player ever, any Rafatard agrees with him? :shrug:

The numbers don't lie.

Federer is at WORST the #2 player of all time after Laver.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 02:58 PM
You kidding right? AO 2005 SF vs Safin. Possibly the biggest brainfart of his entire career :(

Well yeah, there's that one. Let's just say that's the exception that confirms the rule.

Another recent match that amazed me is the USO final with DelPo, I still can't believe how Federer allowed the Argentine to come back in that match.:o

---

On the brightside of things, I think Rogi will make for a great grandfather, he seems very serene in his denial and also deludedly happy.

Fun to be around with.:D

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 03:00 PM
i don't know, ask them. Rafa is just humble boy ful respect to opponents and he will never tell that he is best and everybody knows that. So if you don't believe in words of your idol, what stoppin you to stare at stars and ask for some help.

what are you smoking? :lol:

Federer has been talking bullshit for years

luie
05-19-2011, 03:04 PM
If this is true then federer would be the only player in the History of tennis to play better @ 30years than @ 23-25 years.Every statistically data supports the view that a players PRIME is around 21-26 years more or less.
But fed is a special player n' person so it could be true.
However it would go against common logic.

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 03:15 PM
If this is true then federer would be the only player in the History of tennis to play better @ 30years than @ 23-25 years.Every statistically data supports the view that a players PRIME is around 21-26 years more or less.
But fed is a special player n' person so it could be true.
However it would go against common logic.

He'd be the only player? What aabout Agassi then?

LawrenceOfTennis
05-19-2011, 03:16 PM
I'm not sure why he stated this. It's not the best ad for him. If this is true, that means tennis in 2005 is of worse quality, considering he was on top. I'm not sure tennis today is that better than back in 05.

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 03:23 PM
I think what Federer is saying is normal for a player. Billie Jean King thought that in her later years she knew better than she ever had how to play tennis, but she couldn't execute in match play what she knew. Her body didn't allow her to play the way she wanted to play. Also Chris Evert thought she was a much better player in her later years, but she had different competition, and she also said that she couldn't concentrate the way she once had. Maybe there's something of that going on with Federer too.

One wonders if Billie Jean and Chris Evert were contemporaneously thought to be delusional?

juan27
05-19-2011, 03:28 PM
what he says is logical...

what going to say????

" I have more age and my tennis is declining everyday and I will win much less than before"

it`s pure logic!!!

the field is more better????

almagro,melzer,soderling,verdasco,fish...:rolleyes :

nole was a great player in 2007/2008 and with a much nicer game, the difference is his physicall condition now.

and murray his best level was in 2008 us open was his most dignified final in a gs , because the finals of australia winth roger and nole were patetics.

the field today is only nole and nadal, the rest of top-10 can-t defeat a roger with 30 years old....

i miss players like nalbandian,roddick,hewitt,safin,davydenko,moya,fer rero,coria in the top-10 and not this patetics mugs

luie
05-19-2011, 03:34 PM
He'd be the only player? What aabout Agassi then?
The question was not that a player cannot play well 30+ years,,there are many examples of this through-out history,,,Rosewall,Pancho,laver connors,Agassi to name the prominent ones.....but did they play better @ 30 years than their trandition PRIME the answer is NO.
Aggasi won 4 GS & 10 MS before 30 years.
Post 30 years + he won 4 GS & 7 MS... However The 4 slams he won before 30 years was the career slam,,USO,AO,WIMBY,FO.....After 30 all 4 @ the AO against players like shuttler etc.
So the variety & performance was much better during his tradition prime years despite,,Wrist injury,drugs,women etc.

nalbyfan
05-19-2011, 03:35 PM
Ljubicic won IW at the age of 31....

Forehander
05-19-2011, 03:36 PM
Federer clearly convincing himself that he can still compete for many years to come. There is no way he will ever reclaim his great balance and footwork that he once had back in 2004-2006. He's probably more experienced now and can find more ways to defeat an opponent but nothing can replace degenerating footwork, the most important factor in the game.

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 03:39 PM
Ljubicic won IW at the age of 31....

he wasnt playing better than in 2005

Bilbo
05-19-2011, 03:49 PM
whatever crack federer was on it must have been really good

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 03:52 PM
Federer's entire game technique wise is better, but his movement, mentality, and explosiveness have declined, which obviously makes him seem not as good as 2005.

And don't forget his concentration and focus.
Yes, he had brainfarts in the past as well, but those matches were exceptions. Nowadays, whenever he's up one set and a break, you just have to sit back and await the Mirkaland phases.

He'd be the only player? What aabout Agassi then?

Agassi had long breaks during his career during which he was chasing women and drugs :o, so his mileage at nearing his 30's wasn't even close to Federer's right now.

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 03:55 PM
And don't forget his concentration and focus.
Yes, he had brainfarts in the past as well, but those matches were exceptions. Nowadays, whenever he's up one set and a break, you just have to sit back and await the Mirkaland phases.



Agassi had long breaks during his career during which he was chasing women and drugs :o, so his mileage at nearing his 30's wasn't even close to Federer's right now.

Point.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 03:55 PM
Agassi's success past 30 = Gil Reyes
The people that know Reyes have repeatedly stated that he is a conditioning guru.

But I think Fed's issue is deeper than that: his lack of spark in his footwork is seriously affecting his forehand.

Time for Paganini to up the level in training, definitely needs a change.

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 04:04 PM
Agassi's success past 30 = Gil Reyes
The people that know Reyes have repeatedly stated that he is a conditioning guru.

But I think Fed's issue is deeper than that: his lack of spark in his footwork is seriously affecting his forehand.

Time for Paganini to up the level in training, definitely needs a change.

You may be asking the impossible. Bonnie the Cat's point about mileage is well taken - and it's not ust the actual number of years, but the fact that he went so deep and played so many SF's and Finals, which adds up to way more matches overall than a quick totting up of the years.

rofe
05-19-2011, 04:06 PM
If you read carefully, you will understand what he is saying. In 2005, his game was driven by pure instinct and confidence something similar to what Novak is going through right now.

His game has matured now to the point where he is focusing on specific things to improve in order to keep up with the pack. A classic example is the inclusion of the FH drop shot. He used to be very dismissive of that shot (because he never needed it) but as he matured he realized how good it could be as a change up. He has recently been trying to be aggressive on 2nd serve returns with mixed results. In other words, he has become mature enough to realize that he needs to get out of his comfort zone in order to improve.

Unfortunately, the maturity of his game hasn't (yet) offset his lack of movement and explosiveness. That is why we are seeing sub-standard results.

Orka_n
05-19-2011, 04:10 PM
Federer clearly convincing himself that he can still compete for many years to come. There is no way he will ever reclaim his great balance and footwork that he once had back in 2004-2006. He's probably more experienced now and can find more ways to defeat an opponent but nothing can replace degenerating footwork, the most important factor in the game.Spot on.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 04:17 PM
You may be asking the impossible. Bonnie the Cat's point about mileage is well taken - and it's not ust the actual number of years, but the fact that he went so deep and played so many SF's and Finals, which adds up to way more matches overall than a quick totting up of the years.

I think that's bullshit. No matter what season Federer has always taken months at the time of "rest" from match practice, he's more rested than the last Pope that died.

He's sort of half-motivated right now. He knows that he has to become a beast physically to be able to find a game that can trouble Djokovic and Nadal but in the same time he's sort of going through the motions, hardly any spark left within, a bit of fear involved too.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 04:19 PM
If you read carefully, you will understand what he is saying. In 2005, his game was driven by pure instinct and confidence something similar to what Novak is going through right now.

His game has matured now to the point where he is focusing on specific things to improve in order to keep up with the pack. A classic example is the inclusion of the FH drop shot. He used to be very dismissive of that shot (because he never needed it) but as he matured he realized how good it could be as a change up. He has recently been trying to aggressive on 2nd serve returns with mixed results. In other words, he has become mature enough to realize that he needs to get out of his comfort zone in order to improve.

Unfortunately, the maturity of his game hasn't (yet) offset his lack of movement and explosiveness. That is why we are seeing sub-standard results.

I guess losing gloriously to Melzer could be qualified as getting out of your comfort zone.

spencercarlos
05-19-2011, 04:42 PM
You have to rewatch his last 3 sucking backhands vs Nadal in Madrid where missed yet another break point oportunity, come again better than 2005? :facepalm:

Not only his movement is worse now, he is content to making a big step instead of moving his feet and get to the ball. Normally he ends up hitting short or way out.

His forehand these days is SOOO unrealiable, whereareas 2004-2007 was considered a non playable area. :rolleyes: Oh Roger you are not playing better today than at your peak..

:wavey:

spencercarlos
05-19-2011, 04:49 PM
You kidding right? AO 2005 SF vs Safin. Possibly the biggest brainfart of his entire career :(
That was peak Safin, who in my mind could have taken anybody out that day, and it was a 9-7 in the fifth with Federer having had match point.

zcess81
05-19-2011, 05:13 PM
16 times GS champion comes out and gives his opinion about his OWN game and MTF posters think they know better than him! Gotta just stand back and laugh sometimes. Seriously...:haha::haha::haha::haha:

I'll take Fed's opinion on tennis (his own game especially) over MTF posters ANY day.

Nadull_tard
05-19-2011, 05:27 PM
Just shut up and finally play some good tennis, Fed.

Sophocles
05-19-2011, 05:29 PM
16 times GS champion comes out and gives his opinion about his OWN game and MTF posters think they know better than him! Gotta just stand back and laugh sometimes. Seriously...:haha::haha::haha::haha:

I'll take Fed's opinion on tennis (his own game especially) over MTF posters ANY day.

Why?

rocketassist
05-19-2011, 05:30 PM
He hits forehand shanks, can't time the flat FH, moves worse, serves worse, and yet he's playing better than 05.

Melzer and Gasquet, yes Gasquet, have just owned him lately.

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 05:31 PM
16 times GS champion comes out and gives his opinion about his OWN game and MTF posters think they know better than him! Gotta just stand back and laugh sometimes. Seriously...:haha::haha::haha::haha:

I'll take Fed's opinion on tennis (his own game especially) over MTF posters ANY day.

Yes, because players always tell the absolute truth about how they look upon matters in interviews. :rolleyes:

Garson007
05-19-2011, 05:33 PM
MTF is always so negative. :shrug:

Mateya
05-19-2011, 05:36 PM
OMG :o

ok, we know already that you are inlove with yourself, you arrogant narcisoid.

Had he played like this year, he would never be No.1 not to mention all the titles.

MacTheKnife
05-19-2011, 05:36 PM
Federer's entire game technique wise is better, but his movement, mentality, and explosiveness have declined, which obviously makes him seem not as good as 2005.

This. From a purely technique stand point I believe his over all game is better today. But only a fool would think his concentration, focus, and foot speed is any where near the mid 00's...

Sophocles
05-19-2011, 05:38 PM
He hits forehand shanks, can't time the flat FH, moves worse, serves worse, and yet he's playing better than 05.

Melzer and Gasquet, yes Gasquet, have just owned him lately.

Well, Gasquet beat him in 2005 too. :devil:

tangerine_dream
05-19-2011, 05:39 PM
"I am able to play many more years."

I've noticed that has become a kind of mantra for Roger lately. Is it supposed to be some kind of threat to his rivals, as in, I'm not going anywhere so don't write me off., or is he just trying to convince himself that he wants to play competitive tennis for many more years even though right now it's obvious he's lost some motivation?

Q: Play Myla Rose and Charlene Riva been playing tennis?

Federer: We do not travel with young thugs, that they could destroy all the walls.
:lol: Gotta love Google translator.

star
05-19-2011, 05:41 PM
This. From a purely technique stand point I believe his over all game is better today. But only a fool would think his concentration, focus, and foot speed is any where near the mid 00's...

Yes. That's what I think too. Federer can't help but focus on the improvement.

It's the concentration that is so hard to maintain from match to match especially playing every day.

But, there's no getting around that he is one of the very best performing players right now.

Merton
05-19-2011, 05:56 PM
So what? Sampras made the same point circa 2000/2001 and Agassi circa 2003/2004 :shrug: Great champs will look forward, they cannot look back.

There is no doubt in my mind that Roger's peak level occured from Halle 2005 until AO 2007.

zcess81
05-19-2011, 06:34 PM
Yes, because players always tell the absolute truth about how they look upon matters in interviews. :rolleyes:

Why would Fed lie about this? It makes it look like he was lucky to peak in era that he did. In other words these comments DIMINISH his own achievements. So, if he wasn't lying, he must have been expressing his HONEST opinion...all I'm saying is that Fed's opinion on tennis is WAY more valid than that of MTF posters. I'm sure he knows more about tennis (especially his OWN game)than all MTF posters put together.

Sapeod
05-19-2011, 06:37 PM
The old man is growing senile :o
He's 29, not 60 :stupid:
He's in better shape than Nadal will be when he's 29, not to mention he's not balding like your hero :superlol:

He's wrong here though, though his drive backhand is more consistent. His game as a whole is not as good as it was in 2005.

Lana87
05-19-2011, 06:49 PM
...not to mention he's not balding like your hero :superlol:


That's low even for your standards.

scarecrows
05-19-2011, 06:52 PM
Why would Fed lie about this? It makes it look like he was lucky to peak in era that he did. In other words these comments DIMINISH his own achievements. So, if he wasn't lying, he must have been expressing his HONEST opinion...all I'm saying is that Fed's opinion on tennis is WAY more valid than that of MTF posters. I'm sure he knows more about tennis (especially his OWN game)than all MTF posters put together.

:lol: :worship:

Federer diminishing his own achievements

keep it coming

Poirot123
05-19-2011, 06:54 PM
"I am able to play many more years."

I've noticed that has become a kind of mantra for Roger lately. Is it supposed to be some kind of threat to his rivals, as in, I'm not going anywhere so don't write me off., or is he just trying to convince himself that he wants to play competitive tennis for many more years even though right now it's obvious he's lost some motivation?


:lol: Gotta love Google translator.

I am convinced the Federer will play on until his mid-30s, as he has said elsewhere he wants his daughters to see him playing tennis (at a world class level (i.e. ATP tour level)) and to be able to remember it. I think his goals are Wimbledon and US Open titles, WTF, and the Olympics. Anything else is a bonus. And if he skips Indian Wells and Miami, he's making a wise decision, especially Miami.

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-19-2011, 07:02 PM
The old man is growing senile :o

I was going to post that!

Roger is obviously in denial of where his game is this year. Is he trying to convince himself that he's still at his 2005 level? He certainly isn't convincing anyone else.

DorianGray7
05-19-2011, 07:42 PM
Federer needs a f*cking son. 2 girls are you kidding me? Come on. What a disappointment!

Kworb
05-19-2011, 07:58 PM
So what? Sampras made the same point circa 2000/2001 and Agassi circa 2003/2004 :shrug: Great champs will look forward, they cannot look back.

There is no doubt in my mind that Roger's peak level occured from Halle 2005 until AO 2007.

This. As long as you're still in the game, you're not going to talk about how much you've declined.

I'm sure some people here would even believe it if guys like Hewitt, Roddick or Ferrero claimed they're still as good as when they were #1.

CCBH
05-19-2011, 08:05 PM
Unfortunately, all the improvements in his game, shot arsenal, serve (well, until recently) etc. are undermined by the loss of footspeed. All the forehand misses, backhand shanks can be traced to that.

Acer
05-19-2011, 08:17 PM
Federer :worship:

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 08:32 PM
Unfortunately, all the improvements in his game, shot arsenal, serve (well, until recently) etc. are undermined by the loss of footspeed. All the forehand misses, backhand shanks can be traced to that.

Well he's never going to get back that speed - unless he goes on a Swiss chocolate-free diet :angel:

Miloti
05-19-2011, 08:47 PM
No way :lol:. Rog love you and all but this was totally uncalled for :lol:.

Your 2005 level is way beyond this.

Jaz
05-19-2011, 08:50 PM
There are two things that'a wrong with Roger federer

-Mental fortitude
-Inconsistent Serving

They were the keys to his success, especially Wimbledon.

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:05 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29

i think it's more interesting this topic to be here because

1- it's federer we're talking about and 99% of MTF cares about him in one way or another

2- he's not just talking about himself but about the entire tour. he's saying tennis is more competitive now than it was 6 years ago. the opinion of one of the greatest players of all time about the recent improvements in quality of the current era is very relevant for GM, imo.

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:11 PM
Please quote me any sportsman in history who has ever said towards the end of his career, "Fuck it, you know what, I'm just shit now?"

this

federer has always been incredibly self confident and almost too optimistic during his whole career. when he goes to a tourney, he likes to think he's the favourite and he still feels very much like a winner. remember the time in which he said 'i can still rattle nadal'? everyone thought he was deluding himself considering the number of times he's been beaten by nadal but then again, he has to think that way, he needs his self-belief in what he can do in order to do it. in other words, i think he needs to feel successful in order to be successful.

now it's funny because the same attitude that many once thought was a sign of arrogance is the one that prevails here with this statement, only that now it can ironically be interpreted as a sign of humbleness.

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:15 PM
There are two things that'a wrong with Roger federer

-Mental fortitude
-Inconsistent Serving

They were the keys to his success, especially Wimbledon.

problem with federer is his footwork. he's a bit slower than before and that makes a difference. hence he misses shots more often now.

his mental fortitude was never that good to begin with but it's probly slightly worse now. i'd think that has to do with not having the same confidence he used to have in his game. nowadays he mostly faces important points a bit too passively most of the times -5 years ago he used to go for winners and usually make them in the big moments.

Matt01
05-19-2011, 09:24 PM
That's low even for your standards.


+1

Lana87
05-19-2011, 09:29 PM
when he goes to a tourney, he likes to think he's the favourite and he still feels very much like a winner.

his mental fortitude was never that good to begin with but it's probly slightly worse now. i'd think that has to do with not having the same confidence he used to have in his game.

These two quotes sound like an oximoron to me. Feels like a winner but no confidence?
Maybe he wants to feel like a winner and he is trying to convince himself to that.

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:34 PM
These two quotes sound like an oximoron to me. Feels like a winner but no confidence?
Maybe he wants to feel like a winner and he is trying to convince himself to that.

there's no contradiction at all.

federer is a winner and he not only feels like one, he knows he is. nevertheless, he knows his regular game doesn't quite make it to get those tough balls some opponents can deliver. i don't even think he realizes that 5-6 years ago his ground game was better because of a slightly faster footwork. hell, as it is said in the interview at hand, he doesn't even realize that he was a better player back then.

it's certainly not about having no confidence, but simply about not having the same confidence he had back in his prime because it's only reality that he can make winners from every angle these days. then again, i'd wage that in his mind this is certainly not a comparison with past vs present but simply a judgement about where his game stands now and the things he can do with it.

tektonac
05-19-2011, 09:36 PM
Federer is one fine fedtard ;)

Lana87
05-19-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm sure he knows exactly what his weak spots are. Even if he is delusional himself, he doesn't live alone on another planet.

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:49 PM
I'm sure he knows exactly what his weak spots are. Even if he is delusional himself, he doesn't live alone on another planet.

i dont disagree

Mjau!
05-19-2011, 09:50 PM
Rogi doesn't want to admit that he's past it. :hug:

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:53 PM
question, does anyone think roger looks older than he is?

when i pointed out to a friend of mine he was just 29, she was surprised as she thought he was much older.

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 09:55 PM
question, does anyone think roger looks older than he is?

when i pointed out to a friend of mine he was just 29, she was surprised as she thought he was much older.

How old is your friend, if I may ask? ;)

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:56 PM
How old is your friend, if I may ask? ;)

23. why?

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 09:57 PM
23, why?

Strange, that's an age at which one should realize that Fed looks perfectly fine for his 29 years of age, especially if you know how much he's been out there in the sun!
[Edit: I asked because it's usually very young teenies who think people of merely 30 years old look 'old' ;) ]

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 10:04 PM
Strange, that's an age at which one should realize that Fed looks perfectly fine for his 29 years of age, especially if you know how much he's been out there in the sun!
[Edit: I asked because it's usually very young teenies who think people of merely 30 years old look 'old' ;) ]

i usually have problems recognizing a person's age so that's why i ask...

i'm 25 myself and most people think im 22 or so. when clean-shaven and during winter time (when my face gets whiter), some even think i'm 20 or less. im a sucker for calling people's ages but i'd say federer definitely looks older when tanned, imo.

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 10:07 PM
i usually have problems recognizing a person's age so that's why i ask...

i'm 25 myself and most people think im 22 or so. when clean-shaven and during winter time (when my face gets whiter), some even think i'm 20 or less. im a sucker for calling people's ages but i'd say federer definitely looks older when tanned, imo.

Uhm yeah... one solid way of ensuring you'll look older than you are, is getting an overdone suntan!

Sorry for off-topic folks. :wavey:

kisen
05-19-2011, 10:59 PM
If Federer had compared himself with his 1995 level, he would have been right. Maybe.

nobama
05-20-2011, 12:04 AM
i think it's more interesting this topic to be here because

1- it's federer we're talking about and 99% of MTF cares about him in one way or another

2- he's not just talking about himself but about the entire tour. he's saying tennis is more competitive now than it was 6 years ago. the opinion of one of the greatest players of all time about the recent improvements in quality of the current era is very relevant for GM, imo.Nah, it's just a thread for trolling. Of course you knew that. :p Carry on.

abraxas21
05-20-2011, 12:06 AM
Nah, it's just a thread for trolling. Of course you knew that. :p Carry on.

:D

rofe
05-20-2011, 12:29 AM
Fed sure commands a lot of attention on MTF for an over the hill player. :)

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 12:37 AM
:haha:

C'mon, Roger.

MaxPower
05-20-2011, 12:50 AM
This is just basic sports psychology. You never confess or say that you are getting worse. The moment you do you will lower your own expecations, practice less etc.

Federer is just a smart guy. He knows at this stage of his career his biggest opponent is himself. If he allows himself to just start slacking a little bit he would be out of top10 in a year. I think it is remarkable that he has stayed in the top for so long now. Really takes a special person to do that. One major secret is creating that aura that he can still be world nr1, still win every tournament he plays in and so on. Might not be entirely true anymore but as long as he thinks it he is still in the top competition.

oranges
05-20-2011, 12:58 AM
Fed sure commands a lot of attention on MTF for an over the hill player. :)

Not to burst your bubble, but with such bombastic statements, my grandmother would command MTF's attention too :lol:

This is just basic sports psychology. You never confess or say that you are getting worse. The moment you do you will lower your own expecations, practice less etc.


There's a world of difference between denying getting worse and actually claiming that you've got better. You don't want to be laughable either if you ask me.

rofe
05-20-2011, 01:02 AM
Not to burst your bubble, but with such bombastic statements, my grandmother would command MTF's attention too :lol:



Really? She should post more often in Off Topic and see how it goes.

fast_clay
05-20-2011, 01:14 AM
subject the mentally touched and tards in the thread and you can see that the neutrals in the thread understand this: federer's tactical nous did not improve with age and compensate for the natural reduction in other aspects of his play as it should have...

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 01:41 AM
subject the mentally touched and tards in the thread and you can see that the neutrals in the thread understand this: federer's tactical nous did not improve with age and compensate for the natural reduction in other aspects of his play as it should have...

As in Sampras, you mean.

Or maybe even Santoro, at another level.

calvinhobbes
05-20-2011, 02:34 AM
Undobtely he must play better now in order to maintain himself among the best three, considering his slower footwork. I understand his words in that sense. He is taking better profit of his diminishing physical resources. That´s the golden maturity of a real master, and he feels that glorious exultation of having almost nothing to lose and so much to teach......

Sri
05-20-2011, 02:55 AM
He surely is one hell of a competitor. Will not admit his level is down. Will not reveal injuries. :D

Sri
05-20-2011, 02:57 AM
Btw it is obvious his groundstrokes don't have the same bite anymore. It's also documented how his movement has deteriorated.

fast_clay
05-20-2011, 03:09 AM
As in Sampras, you mean.

Or maybe even Santoro, at another level.

those two guys are solid examples...

however, given the skill set, vast experience and the adaptability federer has shown throughout his career i dont think its a stretch to expect a federer that is better able to identify and exploit a weakness in opponent better than santoro and sampras put together... or easily find a passage of play that will reap cheap and easy dividend before his opponent cops on or gets a read...

heartbroken
05-20-2011, 03:57 AM
"I am able to play many more years."

I've noticed that has become a kind of mantra for Roger lately. Is it supposed to be some kind of threat to his rivals, as in, I'm not going anywhere so don't write me off., or is he just trying to convince himself that he wants to play competitive tennis for many more years even though right now it's obvious he's lost some motivation?


:lol: Gotta love Google translator.

I think Fed's more recent results, attitude, comments, etc. are basically in line with what I might have expected for a player of his caliber and career accomplishments, but who is getting older, and perhaps in the twilight of his tennis career. I don't know that he won't have a resurgence, but it's not going to be a piece of cake to win more slams.

Age is one of those things that sneaks up on you so very, very slowly. I think it's probably normal for a top athlete to dismiss the effects of aging, up to a certain point. Eventually, all the subtle effects of aging start to add up, and become more obvious. At some point, every athlete will become aware that they either can't do what they used to do physically, or are just getting too tired to try to keep up that high level.

If Fed is "too old", or no longer has the focus, or some combination thereof, he must come to that conclusion on his own terms. For now, I think he believes he still has what it takes to win, and he's still willing to put in the effort. So I say...more power to him!

moon language
05-20-2011, 03:58 AM
He seems to have more tools now if you look at it from a shot by shot perspective. The whole package does not appear to be as potent to me though; it's more that he's so skilled he's found ways to compensate for lacking the sheer instinctive brilliance he used to thrive on.

Roadmap
05-20-2011, 04:00 AM
Federer still most beautiful ball striker but lacks confidence these days in my honest opinion

Zagor
05-20-2011, 11:04 AM
blind fedloving breed should eat it and digest if they can, something which is coming straight from their god himself.......

fed has my respect for this, he is speaking the truth.......this is what we have been trumpeting in the ears of the blind breed for years now.......it's not that his level has declined but more that the field has caught up to him.......i personally noticed that his serve, backhand and return have improved a lot since 2005.......experience teaches you many things and fed is just echoing that.......

blind buffoons would never believe when we said this, now that their god himself is saying this, it feels awesome....... :haha:

for a change fed finally becomes honest, instead of trashtalking everybody.......he is finally realizing what type of rivals are around him these days.......

Interesting,here's what your God said years back:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/last-match-was-best-i-ever-played-says-sampras-577514.html

"Everyone was getting better when I was No 1 in the world and winning majors left and right. I was 10 times the player as I got older. When I was dominating I didn't have any bad matches and players overall weren't as good. The 2002 US Open Pete would beat the 1994 or 1995 Pete easily."

What conclusions can we draw from? Basically Fed's generation are better players than Pete's competition in his heyday and a very green Fed beat Sampras at Wimbledon who was 10 times the player he was during the 90s.Do you agree with your God? Yes? No?


Oh and do I need to quote Nadal numerous times he said Fed is the GOAT,the best ever etc. We can't disagree with him now can we.

Jaz
05-20-2011, 12:42 PM
This is a champion speaking.

He honestly thinks he hasn't got worse.

juan27
05-20-2011, 05:45 PM
Interesting,here's what your God said years back:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/last-match-was-best-i-ever-played-says-sampras-577514.html

"Everyone was getting better when I was No 1 in the world and winning majors left and right. I was 10 times the player as I got older. When I was dominating I didn't have any bad matches and players overall weren't as good. The 2002 US Open Pete would beat the 1994 or 1995 Pete easily."

What conclusions can we draw from? Basically Fed's generation are better players than Pete's competition in his heyday and a very green Fed beat Sampras at Wimbledon who was 10 times the player he was during the 90s.Do you agree with your God? Yes? No?


Oh and do I need to quote Nadal numerous times he said Fed is the GOAT,the best ever etc. We can't disagree with him now can we.

poor start da fail....

he never stop to say bullshits

abraxas21
05-20-2011, 05:51 PM
Interesting,here's what your God said years back:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/last-match-was-best-i-ever-played-says-sampras-577514.html

"Everyone was getting better when I was No 1 in the world and winning majors left and right. I was 10 times the player as I got older. When I was dominating I didn't have any bad matches and players overall weren't as good. The 2002 US Open Pete would beat the 1994 or 1995 Pete easily."

What conclusions can we draw from? Basically Fed's generation are better players than Pete's competition in his heyday and a very green Fed beat Sampras at Wimbledon who was 10 times the player he was during the 90s.Do you agree with your God? Yes? No?


Oh and do I need to quote Nadal numerous times he said Fed is the GOAT,the best ever etc. We can't disagree with him now can we.

interesting. i always thought sampras and federer think very much alike. this only reinforces my suspicion

DrJules
05-20-2011, 06:36 PM
Interesting,here's what your God said years back:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/last-match-was-best-i-ever-played-says-sampras-577514.html

"Everyone was getting better when I was No 1 in the world and winning majors left and right. I was 10 times the player as I got older. When I was dominating I didn't have any bad matches and players overall weren't as good. The 2002 US Open Pete would beat the 1994 or 1995 Pete easily."

What conclusions can we draw from? Basically Fed's generation are better players than Pete's competition in his heyday and a very green Fed beat Sampras at Wimbledon who was 10 times the player he was during the 90s.Do you agree with your God? Yes? No?


Oh and do I need to quote Nadal numerous times he said Fed is the GOAT,the best ever etc. We can't disagree with him now can we.

In many ways I feel there are 2 key areas; firstly are todays players better than earlier generations purely on a performance basis and do players really peak during their latter years.

I can understand the logic and rational basis for considering that the generation of 2010s is better than 2000s which is better than 1990s etc. Improved fitness and training regimes, improved diet and improved equipment not to mention a slight increase in the size of players all possibly contribute to the most recent generation being able to beat their predecessors. In sports like athletics and swimming each generation has gone faster than earlier generations such that a winner in athletics / swimming from the 80s would struggle to achieve a top 3 finish these days. However, you are still judged in athletics / swimming by what you win so being 4/5 in the Olympics 100m final even with a faster time does not make you considered better than a winner with a slower time from the 1970's.

The idea Sampras or Federer played their best in their late 20's does not seem consistent with the normal evolution of the body. Yes tennis skill may improve, but does reaction speed, recovery time, balance and movement really improve. My sense is that they do not improve with age.

Overall sense that Sampras and Federer may have felt their game had more to offer, but the execution based so much on the body being able to deliver surely does decline.

Kworb
05-20-2011, 06:58 PM
In many ways I feel there are 2 key areas; firstly are todays players better than earlier generations purely on a performance basis and do players really peak during their latter years.

I can understand the logic and rational basis for considering that the generation of 2010s is better than 2000s which is better than 1990s etc. Improved fitness and training regimes, improved diet and improved equipment not to mention a slight increase in the size of players all possibly contribute to the most recent generation being able to beat their predecessors. In sports like athletics and swimming each generation has gone faster than earlier generations such that a winner in athletics / swimming from the 80s would struggle to achieve a top 3 finish these days. However, you are still judged in athletics / swimming by what you win so being 4/5 in the Olympics 100m final even with a faster time does not make you considered better than a winner with a slower time from the 1970's.

The idea Sampras or Federer played their best in their late 20's does not seem consistent with the normal evolution of the body. Yes tennis skill may improve, but does reaction speed, recovery time, balance and movement really improve. My sense is that they do not improve with age.

Overall sense that Sampras and Federer may have felt their game had more to offer, but the execution based so much on the body being able to deliver surely does decline.

I don't think the athletic improvement has been significant since the 90s, not in athletics, not in swimming and also not in tennis. There are still some old athletic records standing today. Swimming records wouldn't have been broken so abundantly if it weren't for the new suits (which are now banned). Overall average ability of top athletes has reached a ceiling, in all sports.

It's not like tennis players in the 90s weren't trying to perfect their physical condition. But rackets keep changing, the balls keep changing, the surfaces keep changing. That is what is changing tennis. Not the bodies of the players.

DrJules
05-20-2011, 07:51 PM
I don't think the athletic improvement has been significant since the 90s, not in athletics, not in swimming and also not in tennis. There are still some old athletic records standing today. Swimming records wouldn't have been broken so abundantly if it weren't for the new suits (which are now banned). Overall average ability of top athletes has reached a ceiling, in all sports.

It's not like tennis players in the 90s weren't trying to perfect their physical condition. But rackets keep changing, the balls keep changing, the surfaces keep changing. That is what is changing tennis. Not the bodies of the players.

I fully agree the changes have become smaller although still feel over the long term there is a general trend (some pre-1990 athletics and swimming records were possibly drug enhanced so the increment has not been so visible and the occasional pre-1990 record remains).

Overall in this particular case I find it hard to believe that the rest of the field has improved that significantly in 6/7 years (time scale far too short) and do feel Federer has paid far to little to his age related physical decline and too much to a possible enhancement in his tennis skill enhancement.

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 08:28 PM
I fully agree the changes have become smaller although still feel over the long term there is a general trend (some pre-1990 athletics and swimming records were possibly drug enhanced so the increment has not been so visible and the occasional pre-1990 record remains).

Overall in this particular case I find it hard to believe that the rest of the field has improved that significantly in 6/7 years (time scale far too short) and do feel Federer has paid far to little to his age related physical decline and too much to a possible enhancement in his tennis skill enhancement.

Tennis skill enhancement?

gaitare
06-03-2011, 11:40 PM
Federer knows his shit.

tests
06-03-2011, 11:42 PM
Federer knows his shit.


Federer will forget his shit once sunday rolls on