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If Rafa beats Novak in RG...

Pablin777
05-18-2011, 05:55 AM
Then... All this loses really worthed?
What do you pick... Lose Indian Wells, Miami, Madrid and Rome and still winning RG? or win I.Wells, Miami, Madrid, Rome but lose Roland Garros? :confused:

ApproachShot
05-18-2011, 06:00 AM
I'd rather win RG, but what Novak has done is truly remarkable and there's no denying that he has comfortably got the upper hand of Nadal so far in this season.

abraxas21
05-18-2011, 06:02 AM
then nadull will add a RG final to the list of "important matches" in the h2h, kind of like Federer does with Murray.

He beat me in the last four Masters but I beat him in lots of important things in the past -- the semi-finals of the Olympics, the final of the US Open, two semi-finals at Roland Garros.

Pablin777
05-18-2011, 06:09 AM
then nadull will add a RG to the list of "important matches" in the h2h

I'd Do the Same! :)

MADOXXX
05-18-2011, 06:13 AM
(Djokovic will feel like a failure if he doesn't win Roland Garros and doesn't win Wimbledon. It'll be a very hollow feeling as though he's still not at Rafa's level despite consistently beating him. Best of 5 sets is used for slams for a reason, and truth be known, Djokovic beat Rafa on 3 straight occasions in 2009)

It would suck for him for sure but he would have to be focused on the US Open.

stewietennis
05-18-2011, 06:17 AM
I would rather win the French Open rather than the aforementioned tournaments for a couple of reasons:
1. Major titles are what people remember
2. Winning the French Open legitimises Novak as a threat on clay; even if we don't consider Madrid and Rome.
3. Winning a third major raises Novak above Safin, Hewitt and Rafter.

ballbasher101
05-18-2011, 06:20 AM
The pressure is all on Nadal to stop Djokovic. Everyone expects Djokovic to lose at some point. If the Djoker does lose at the French that could be a hammer blow or it might make him double his efforts at Wimbledon. I think if he loses to Nadal it would be a massive blow psychologically. If however he loses to someone not Nadal the impact would not be as severe.

BULLZ1LLA
05-18-2011, 06:21 AM
(Djokovic will feel like a failure if he doesn't win Roland Garros and doesn't win Wimbledon. It'll be a very hollow feeling as though he's still not at Rafa's level despite consistently beating him. Best of 5 sets is used for slams for a reason, and truth be known, Djokovic beat Rafa on 3 straight occasions in 2009 in best of 3 set format)

Dejan16
05-18-2011, 06:22 AM
If novak loses to rafa... who cares, he wasn't expected to win it in the first place, he just won 7 tournaments in a row, including 4 masters. Nole will have his chances come US open to claim his 2 hard court majors, and maintain his number 1 ranking.

Dejan16
05-18-2011, 06:23 AM
(Djokovic will feel like a failure if he doesn't win Roland Garros and doesn't win Wimbledon. It'll be a very hollow feeling as though he's still not at Rafa's level despite consistently beating him. Best of 5 sets is used for slams for a reason, and truth be known, Djokovic beat Rafa on 3 straight occasions in 2009 in best of 3 set format)

:haha:

stewietennis
05-18-2011, 06:24 AM
Additionally, I don't think Novak will be crushed if he doesn't win the French Open. The winning streak will come to an end, sure, but I believe Novak will be satisfied with a finals appearance at Roland Garros and Wimbledon because it's a step in the right direction – if he wins either or both will be a bonus. IMHO the US Open is where he will be expecting to win because he's made it to the finals a couple of times already.

BULLZ1LLA
05-18-2011, 06:39 AM
Additionally, I don't think Novak will be crushed if he doesn't win the French Open. The winning streak will come to an end, sure, but I believe Novak will be satisfied with a finals appearance at Roland Garros and Wimbledon because it's a step in the right direction – if he wins either or both will be a bonus. IMHO the US Open is where he will be expecting to win because he's made it to the finals a couple of times already.

(Djokovic lost to Rafa last year at the US Open, so if Djokovic loses another slam final to Rafa it's going to compound the believe that Rafa will win all their important meetings - Olympics, US Open, World Tour Finals. That's not a step in the right direction)

stewietennis
05-18-2011, 06:46 AM
(Djokovic lost to Rafa last year at the US Open, so if Djokovic loses another slam final to Rafa it's going to compound the believe that Rafa will win all their important meetings - Olympics, US Open, World Tour Finals. That's not a step in the right direction)

It's a step in the right direction with regards to Djokovic's progression as a player if he makes the finals at the French and Wimbledon because he hasn't been to the finals at those two majors before.

MADOXXX
05-18-2011, 06:46 AM
Well for Novak, he must be really pumped for that number 1 spot in the rankings, even if hge doesn't beat Rafa in the finals, as long as it's a close match I figure he won't feel too badly, all he has to do is take care of every one in his half

tests
05-18-2011, 06:50 AM
The thing i hate about my nadal (believe me, there is plenty of things i like)

Is the fact that he always puts pressure on his opponent. ALWAYS acts like the under-dog... FFS you are the greatest clay courter of all-time. Nadal is expected to win regardless of who he plays. Djokovic is expected to lose... i don't care about this streak non-sense... Nadal is a beast in the french open turf

MaxPower
05-18-2011, 06:51 AM
I got a crazy idea. What if Rafa and Novak won't even play in RG? Seems like everyone is taking for granted that they will reach the final. How often does the nr1 and nr2 seed meet in the final in RG anyway? Anyone got the stats of that? I wouldn't be surprised if it's more common that the nr1 and nr2 seed don't play in the final than that they actually do. But hey whats logic doing here in the forum anyway? :) Think a lot of ppl are heading for a letdown soon

BULLZ1LLA
05-18-2011, 07:00 AM
I got a crazy idea. What if Rafa and Novak won't even play in RG? Seems like everyone is taking for granted that they will reach the final. How often does the nr1 and nr2 seed meet in the final in RG anyway? Anyone got the stats of that? I wouldn't be surprised if it's more common that the nr1 and nr2 seed don't play in the final than that they actually do. But hey whats logic doing here in the forum anyway? :) Think a lot of ppl are heading for a letdown soon

(The logic is that Rafa didn't drop a set at Roland Garros in 2008, and didn't drop a set in 2010. He had tendinitis disaster in 2009 so understandable that he lost. 100% fit in 2011, and don't forget he's made 6 straight finals in 2011, so what are odds of him not making the final in the event he's only ever lost ONE match in? As for Djokovic, nobody really knows how his streak will translate in the slams, we'll see)

stewietennis
05-18-2011, 07:04 AM
I got a crazy idea. What if Rafa and Novak won't even play in RG? Seems like everyone is taking for granted that they will reach the final. How often does the nr1 and nr2 seed meet in the final in RG anyway? Anyone got the stats of that? I wouldn't be surprised if it's more common that the nr1 and nr2 seed don't play in the final than that they actually do. But hey whats logic doing here in the forum anyway? :) Think a lot of ppl are heading for a letdown soon

2006, 2007, 2008 - Fed and Rafa 1 & 2
2009 Fed and Sod 1 & 23
2010 Rafa and Sod 2 & 5
So the last 5 years 60% of the time the No 1 and 2 seeds made the finals?
(That's a small sample I know)

janko05
05-18-2011, 07:16 AM
I got a crazy idea. What if Rafa and Novak won't even play in RG? Seems like everyone is taking for granted that they will reach the final. How often does the nr1 and nr2 seed meet in the final in RG anyway? Anyone got the stats of that? I wouldn't be surprised if it's more common that the nr1 and nr2 seed don't play in the final than that they actually do. But hey whats logic doing here in the forum anyway? :) Think a lot of ppl are heading for a letdown soon

I also have this strange feeling that one of them won't be in RG final.:sad:

MaxPower
05-18-2011, 08:02 AM
2006, 2007, 2008 - Fed and Rafa 1 & 2
2009 Fed and Sod 1 & 23
2010 Rafa and Sod 2 & 5
So the last 5 years 60% of the time the No 1 and 2 seeds made the finals?
(That's a small sample I know)

Yeah thats too small of a sample.

Lets build on it to year 2000.

2000 Kuerten vs Norman
2001 Kuerten vs Corretja
2002 Costa vs Ferrero
2003 Ferrero vs Verkerk
2004 Gaudio vs Coria
2005 Puerta vs Nadal


Where any of these nr1 seed vs nr2 seed at the time of the tournament? I recognize some high seeds but some real pro could fill in their seeds because I don't remember and didn't find the info. I honestly think there is no nr1 vs nr2 seed among those. Then it's down to 3/11 so 27% :) Possibly a little better if any of those actually were nr1 vs nr2 seed but still likely below 50%.

ApproachShot
05-18-2011, 08:13 AM
While it is a small sample, it is relevant since 2005 onwards involves Nadal and he is one half of the duo we are talking about. Moreover, with the form he has been in thus far in the year, Djokovic is perhaps more of a favourite to successfully navigate through his side of the draw than #2 seeds in the past.

It will be interesting to see what happens. In the last few years the French Open has tended to produce fewer shocks than say the Australian Open.

MaxPower
05-18-2011, 08:54 AM
well if I remember correctly Nadal qualified for the ATP world tour final 19th of May in 2009 after winning almost everything. Just like Djokovic qualified for the tour final just days ago this year.

Look how that worked out for Nadal in RG. He lost even before the QF. Who knows what happens to Djokovic this year? He hasn't even been to the RG final before while Nadal was of course an overwhelming favourite in 2009. And Djokovic this season isn't that much better than Nadals season was in 2009. Only difference is pretty much that Nadal lost the Madrid final to Federer in 2009 otherwise it's almost identical. I can definitely see history repeating itself this year.

Foxy
05-18-2011, 09:03 AM
First Djokovic should reach RG and Wimby finals before we even talk. I am not so sure he will reach them.

Alex999
05-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Well, I'd still prefer to win RG than 4 masters although one major is worth 2000 points and 4 masters are worth 4000 points...so the question should be "Do you want to be ranked #1 or do you want to win more majors?" :-). Ideally I would want both, lol.

Lana87
05-18-2011, 09:35 AM
well if I remember correctly Nadal qualified for the ATP world tour final 19th of May in 2009 after winning almost everything. Just like Djokovic qualified for the tour final just days ago this year.

Look how that worked out for Nadal in RG. He lost even before the QF. Who knows what happens to Djokovic this year? He hasn't even been to the RG final before while Nadal was of course an overwhelming favourite in 2009. And Djokovic this season isn't that much better than Nadals season was in 2009. Only difference is pretty much that Nadal lost the Madrid final to Federer in 2009 otherwise it's almost identical. I can definitely see history repeating itself this year.


Except they are completely different people and mentality. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
Sometimes I feel http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Lanabgd/new/258f4755.gif reading some posts here. Everyone sees the future but me :-)

freeandlonely
05-18-2011, 09:51 AM
I'm starting to dislike if thread.

Super Djoker
05-18-2011, 11:50 AM
Djokovic would still end it with 800 more ranking points picked up! So i would rather do what Novak has done so far this year! Plus you don,t know that rafa is guna win RG! No, one nows who is guna win that! I just don,t want novak in Soderling,s Half!

fsoica
05-18-2011, 01:26 PM
federer will eliminate djokovic in rg and/or wimby 2011. u read it here first.

Foxy
05-18-2011, 01:27 PM
federer will eliminate djokovic in rg and/or wimby 2011. u read it here first.

If they happen to play in SF. Do you know guys who will be 1st, 2nd and 3rd seed in Wimby based on today's rankings? I forgot the Wimby seed forumla. Maybe someone can remind me?

thrust
05-18-2011, 02:37 PM
Most, if not all, players want the win the tournament they are playing at the time. Nadal and Nole wanted to win the four finals they just played. Nadal desperately wanted to win Madrid and Rome, tournaments he was expected to win. The fact that Novak beat Nadal in Madrid and Rome has to give him the confidence to beat Rafa on any surface, if he stays healthy.

Shabba
05-18-2011, 03:21 PM
Wow. Who ever thought we would see a thread that begins with:
"If Rafa beats Novak in RG"

MIMIC
05-18-2011, 03:49 PM
Wow. Who ever thought we would see a thread that begins with:
"If Rafa beats Novak in RG"

Haha :yeah:

Getta
05-18-2011, 03:54 PM
ifs, thens, whens.

i'm very excited and nervous at the same time.

CCBH
05-18-2011, 04:25 PM
Seemingly effortlessly, he's dominated the season so far, and definitely exceeded everybody's expectations already. He'll probably believe he can get back to winning easily again. However, he is a serious favorite for RG, so a loss will definitely hurt, because momentum like this is not easy to replicate. But if he is feeling any pressure, it will be released.

It will be significant for Rafa though, because he's lost at the final hurdle a lot this year (no matter that he's the king of clay, RG beast etc.)

alpaca
05-18-2011, 05:42 PM
The thing i hate about my nadal (believe me, there is plenty of things i like)

Is the fact that he always puts pressure on his opponent. ALWAYS acts like the under-dog... FFS you are the greatest clay courter of all-time. Nadal is expected to win regardless of who he plays. Djokovic is expected to lose... i don't care about this streak non-sense... Nadal is a beast in the french open turf

I think that's great about Rafa, actually, that he can add an intimidation factor by constantly putting pressure on his opponents.

While I'm very much amazed at how well Novak has played this season, I'm hoping Nadal wins Roland Garros.. I still view Rafa as king of clay and I'm not ready to quit thinking of him as that.

Nadull_tard
05-18-2011, 05:45 PM
If Nadal doesn't beat Djokovic, should he retire?

Super Djoker
05-18-2011, 08:29 PM
Silly! If Rafa beats Novak then it is what most people are expecting! at a Slam! 1 Defeat in 38 matches won,t make Djokovic implode, it might make him stronger! Even more determined to win Wimbledon!

nole_no1
05-18-2011, 08:29 PM
There's no if
Rafa won't beat Nole in RG ;)

NadalesDios
05-18-2011, 08:37 PM
There's no if
Rafa won't beat Nole in RG ;)

Because Nole won't reach the final, Nadal will beat other player in the final

Lana87
05-18-2011, 08:55 PM
Why people have the need to write such stupid things? ↑↑↑
Nothing is set in stone for either Rafa or Nole.

Super Djoker
05-18-2011, 10:38 PM
Rafa,s game is different now! Who says he will make the final? Indeed . Djokovic might not get to the final, but who is guna stop him? Soderling got thrashed Federer has been beaten 3 times! Ferrer aswell! Berdych twice! Who is guns stop Novak getting 2 the final? Realistically rafa will get 2 the final, with ease!

Manequin75
05-18-2011, 10:58 PM
Rafa,s game is different now! Who says he will make the final? Indeed . Djokovic might not get to the final, but who is guna stop him? Soderling got thrashed Federer has been beaten 3 times! Ferrer aswell! Berdych twice! Who is guns stop Novak getting 2 the final? Realistically rafa will get 2 the final, with ease!

I think if Federer lands in Novak's half he will stop him in the semis for sure. Novak is too strong to be beaten in rallies form the back of the court. You need to mix it up - come to net, slice, aggressive chip and charge and what have you. And the guy who does this better than anybody is Roger Federer. Yes so he beat him a couple of times but non of his losses were as bad as the drubbing he gave novak last year at the wtf.

I am waiting anxiously for the RG draw - hoeping fed is in Novak's half. Fed was in Rafas half the last three consecutive times Miami, Rome and Madrid (MC doesnt count as Fed was # 2 seed). But we know in slams novak-fed and rafa-murray tend to attract each other. So why not?

Nothing like a Fedal final for both RG & Wimbledon with them splitting the titles. Novak could win Queens, Murray could take Cinci and Montreal and then Delpo could take the USO. :)

Four different grandslam winners in a year - first time since what 2002?

Time Violation
05-18-2011, 11:02 PM
Fed just lost to Gasquet, and WTF was last year :)

Manequin75
05-18-2011, 11:05 PM
Fed just lost to Gasquet, and WTF was last year :)

narrow loss in tiebreaks. Fed plays better in slams and in 5 set formats. Nothing more appropriate than for for the goat to put an end to this novak streak. I think we will see it in RG semis. I have a strong feeling :)

Sapeod
05-18-2011, 11:10 PM
Roland Garros is where it counts, BUT I would certainly like to have the 4 masters titles too.

stewietennis
05-18-2011, 11:16 PM
Putting Rafa aside, do you think Roger has a better chance of defeating Novak on clay? Or would Murray be more up to the task considering his last match against Novak?

I thought the French Open seedings always followed the rankings – so currently #2 Novak could potentially face #3 Federer in the semis. Rafa gets #4 Murray.

peribsen
05-18-2011, 11:20 PM
If novak loses to rafa... who cares, he wasn't expected to win it in the first place, he just won 7 tournaments in a row, including 4 masters. Nole will have his chances come US open to claim his 2 hard court majors, and maintain his number 1 ranking.

+1. Positive attitude of a true fan, I've often felt likewise about Rafa. Thinking a player has to win everything is simply ridiculous, and thinking a loss somehow does away with previous wins is a joke.

Manequin75
05-18-2011, 11:27 PM
Putting Rafa aside, do you think Roger has a better chance of defeating Novak on clay? Or would Murray be more up to the task considering his last match against Novak?

I thought the French Open seedings always followed the rankings – so currently #2 Novak could potentially face #3 Federer in the semis. Rafa gets #4 Murray.

1& 4 and 2& 3 pairings is not the rule. 3&4 randomly get placed via a draw in the respective halves. So #1 rafa could get either #3 Fed or #4 Murray

cocrcici
05-18-2011, 11:37 PM
Nole will be # 1.:lol:

BULLZ1LLA
05-19-2011, 06:09 AM
1& 4 and 2& 3 pairings is not the rule. 3&4 randomly get placed via a draw in the respective halves. So #1 rafa could get either #3 Fed or #4 Murray.

Rafa fans - Learn to respect Federer. Rafa's claim to fame pretty much is turning a federer monopoloy into a duopoly. Rafa was the guy that stood up to Federer and gave the world the best ever RIVALRY. The LEGACIES of these two is FOREVER INTERTWINED. History will always remember these two greats in tandem. A genuine Rafa fan will respect Federer and root for fed in his matches against everybody else.


(The draw is going to be a lot of fun to see, because I think Murray is extremely hard to beat on clay so whoever gets him is at a major disadvantage.

Rafa's legacy is winning 9 slams - and career grand slam and record masters titles - by age 24, so it makes no difference that he beat Federer. Rafa's list of titles alone put him ahead of everyone but Borg for his age)

Nole fan
05-19-2011, 11:29 AM
Additionally, I don't think Novak will be crushed if he doesn't win the French Open. The winning streak will come to an end, sure, but I believe Novak will be satisfied with a finals appearance at Roland Garros and Wimbledon because it's a step in the right direction – if he wins either or both will be a bonus. IMHO the US Open is where he will be expecting to win because he's made it to the finals a couple of times already.

This.

«Ivan»
05-19-2011, 11:41 AM
if? if they both reach the final,if rafa beats nole,if n 100 ifs nole would be new no 1,rafa would won tenth gs...so many ifs would be final proof theres only 2.5 men on the top.nole as ashton,rafa as an constance nosy in supporting role,murray as a 0.5 n with rogelina as expelled charly sean.

«Ivan»
05-19-2011, 11:43 AM
if? if they both reach the final,if rafa beats nole,if n 100 ifs nole would be new no 1,rafa would won tenth gs...so many ifs would be final proof theres only 2.5 men on the top.nole as ashton,rafa as an constance nosy in supporting role,murray as a 0.5 n with rogelina as expelled charly sean..

Corey Feldman
05-19-2011, 11:48 AM
:lol: Ivan

«Ivan»
05-19-2011, 11:56 AM
:lol: Ivan

:hug: to my devoted friend.

alfonsojose
05-19-2011, 12:34 PM
... Nole gets the no.1 ranking anyway :D