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Roland Garros 2011: new conditions, Babolat balls (faster than last year)

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Li Ching Yuen
05-18-2011, 12:50 AM
Just finished reading some info from journalists that have already gotten in Paris and have had a chat with some of the players that have made an early arrival in Paris to practice and some of the qualifiers and the unanimous impression is that the overall conditions are faster than last year.

The weather in Paris has been dry and pretty warm/hot ever since March and there are prognosis that it will continue to be so throughout the duration of the whole 2 weeks of play, which is different to last year when there were some muggy days at some point.

Also, this year they have changed the balls, they are using now Babolat, which some of the players have described as being quick, similar to what the US Open had.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2011-05-17/201105171305650899113.html

Farenhajt
05-18-2011, 01:22 AM
If that's true, Rafa is in even deeper shit.

(Possibly the FFT, after witnessing Nole's form, is simply fed up with Nadal and wants a new poster boy.)

misty1
05-18-2011, 01:59 AM
anyone else miss the days when clay was actually slow and grass was fast?

i sure do, its just rediculous now

Topspindoctor
05-18-2011, 02:00 AM
anyone else miss the days when clay was actually slow and grass was fast?

i sure do, its just rediculous now

Bluediculous IMO.

Johnny Groove
05-18-2011, 02:08 AM
This reminds me of when Lance Armstrong was winning the Tour de France every year and the French tried everything to "de-Lance" the course.

Or when the golf course people were fed up with Tiger Woods winning everything and tried to "de-Tiger" the course.

But, in 2011, I feel that Nadal's game is better on faster courts than slow clay these days. This might come back to bite the French in the ass.

Who knows.

superslam77
05-18-2011, 02:20 AM
This reminds me of when Lance Armstrong was winning the Tour de France every year and the French tried everything to "de-Lance" the course.

Or when the golf course people were fed up with Tiger Woods winning everything and tried to "de-Tiger" the course.

But, in 2011, I feel that Nadal's game is better on faster courts than slow clay these days. This might come back to bite the French in the ass.

Who knows.

:rolleyes:

like he would have won all those master series if they were still best of 5 sets...string technology made for him and everything turned into clay.

Clay Death
05-18-2011, 02:22 AM
bullshit jonathan.

nadal is off in all aspects of his game in 2011.

translation: there is NO aspect of his game that has not suffered in 2011 when compared to 2010.

nobody is to blame but him and his pathetic team.

he is off on all surfaces. he can at least get back on the right track by snatching roland garros. and he still has to improve.

Topspindoctor
05-18-2011, 02:39 AM
I just pray he doesn't meet many big servers in early rounds. He struggled to return Gasquet's second serves in Rome....

rofe
05-18-2011, 02:59 AM
If this is true then I wonder if it is faster than Wimbly.

Johnny Groove
05-18-2011, 03:08 AM
bullshit jonathan.

nadal is off in all aspects of his game in 2011.

translation: there is NO aspect of his game that has not suffered in 2011 when compared to 2010.

nobody is to blame but him and his pathetic team.

he is off on all surfaces. he can at least get back on the right track by snatching roland garros. and he still has to improve.

CD, Nadal won 3 slams in 2010. Of course his level won't be the same this year.

He's still made at least the finals of his last 6 events and is still the bookie favorite to win both RG and Wimbledon.

Quite an off year he is having. Reminds me of Federer when his decline began. Even in his decline, he is having results 99% of all players in the history of the game would die to have.

chenx15
05-18-2011, 03:11 AM
already making excuses in case nadal loses. love it

Jomp1
05-18-2011, 03:14 AM
Good for Soderling and Federer if true.

finishingmove
05-18-2011, 03:15 AM
it will be a bloody red hardcourt

ATP Mafia favoring Djokovic

tennis is a disgrace

Clay Death
05-18-2011, 03:25 AM
CD, Nadal won 3 slams in 2010. Of course his level won't be the same this year.

He's still made at least the finals of his last 6 events and is still the bookie favorite to win both RG and Wimbledon.

Quite an off year he is having. Reminds me of Federer when his decline began. Even in his decline, he is having results 99% of all players in the history of the game would die to have.


his level has declined significantly and it shows out there on the court. what is more alarming about this than anything is that ALL aspects of his game have declined.

that is what is troubling me the most. why did he let that happen? even his fitness levels have taken a dip.


nole`s has managed to make tremendous strides in his fitness and his game and he is merely capitalizing on the current landscape.

i knew how talented the great serbian slayer was well over 4 years ago.


that being said, he is still taking roland garros.

Aloimeh
05-18-2011, 03:25 AM
it will be a bloody red hardcourt

ATP Mafia favoring Djokovic

tennis is a disgrace

ATP or the French? It's well known that the Frenchies hate Nadal. This is not fair. This also probably helps Federer a bit.

fast_clay
05-18-2011, 03:26 AM
it will be a bloody red hardcourt

ATP Mafia favoring Djokovic

tennis is a disgrace

i agree...

from a marketing point of view it is a master stroke by the atp to help the wheels turn for djokovic like they have... just as federer fades they help usher in a new marketable rivalry... tiriac's madrid indoor hard was, in the end, smart business... djoko will undoubtedly become the poster boy for what will one day be known as the mafia years... indeed a disgrace....

Topspin Forehand
05-18-2011, 03:28 AM
All good news for Nadal for those who understand his game.

Mr. Oracle
05-18-2011, 06:19 AM
i agree...

from a marketing point of view it is a master stroke by the atp to help the wheels turn for djokovic like they have... just as federer fades they help usher in a new marketable rivalry... tiriac's madrid indoor hard was, in the end, smart business... djoko will undoubtedly become the poster boy for what will one day be known as the mafia years... indeed a disgrace....

hey guys, check this out.

Action Jackson
05-18-2011, 06:21 AM
High bouncing conditions this could be fun, there needs to be a bizarre RG like 99 or 96 again.

Topspin Forehand
05-18-2011, 06:26 AM
High bouncing conditions this could be fun, there needs to be a bizarre RG like 99 or 96 again.
Yep. In most cases on clay, fast=high bouncing.

abraxas21
05-18-2011, 06:38 AM
anyone else miss the days when clay was actually slow and grass was fast?

i sure do, its just rediculous now

they've made every possible effort to homogenize everything.


that said, for nadal it's more about the bounce's height than the court's speed. he can play at his best on a medium pace court but his mug game is exposed clearly when the court's bounce is low.

abraxas21
05-18-2011, 06:44 AM
Yep. In most cases on clay, fast=high bouncing.

that's actually true

if the info in the OP is true, Nadal is most likely beneffited.

Action Jackson
05-18-2011, 06:48 AM
they've made every possible effort to homogenize everything.


that said, for nadal it's more about the bounce's height than the court's speed. he can play at his best on a medium pace court but his mug game is exposed clearly when the court's bounce is low.

Of course Nadal's forehand will be bouncing so high much better for him. The question is how often will they water the courts. The groundstaff at RG are very particular when it comes to this.

Surface homogenisation sucks.

MaxPower
05-18-2011, 07:05 AM
Soderling likes high bouncing courts and fast. Got the height and the power to hit the ball at shoulder height getting those almost unreturnable projectiles. Think Berdych likes it too for the same reasons. Ferrer is not as suited for being one of the shorter top 10 players.

Federer has always seemed to me like a guy who likes low bouncing fast courts. He likes taking the ball earlier. Also lacks the strength on his backhand side to handle high bounces as Rafa exploits but as every top player should exploit vs him on that type of surface.

Nadal/Djokovic likes everything but the slower the better for them. When you got the best defense you don't want a skills competition. You want an endurance face-off.

Action Jackson
05-18-2011, 07:10 AM
Nadal is better on higher bouncing clay.

Start da Game
05-18-2011, 07:43 AM
All good news for Nadal for those who understand his game.

this......the zip and jump off the ground he gets makes him unplayable.......

they've made every possible effort to homogenize everything.


that said, for nadal it's more about the bounce's height than the court's speed. he can play at his best on a medium pace court but his mug game is exposed clearly when the court's bounce is low.

what is actually exposed is your dumb observation of the players and the sport.......where were you when nadal won the us open and had people like you weeping for 3 days after the trophy ceremony?

Start da Game
05-18-2011, 07:47 AM
Nadal is better on higher bouncing clay.

that doesn't mean he is beatable on low bouncing clay.......his best is deadly on any clay.......

Start da Game
05-18-2011, 08:11 AM
his level has declined significantly and it shows out there on the court. what is more alarming about this than anything is that ALL aspects of his game have declined.

that is what is troubling me the most. why did he let that happen? even his fitness levels have taken a dip.


nole`s has managed to make tremendous strides in his fitness and his game and he is merely capitalizing on the current landscape.

i knew how talented the great serbian slayer was well over 4 years ago.


that being said, he is still taking roland garros.

i think his backhand has been the real problem this season, hercules........he has lost the dynamics of that wing dramatically.......he is not even able to drive the ball off that wing which should be a routine business for a top player.......

his backhand is that weak at the moment.......his movement and his forehand are there like always.......just that his backhand is temporarily dead and it is affecting his overall game significantly.......

as we know his backhand and forehand constitute 90% of his overall game.......when either of the wings is dead, he is out there operating at an overall efficiency of less than 50%.......

that coupled with his unparalleled will is still sufficient against 99% of the tour but it is proving to be a little short against the current sensation djokovic who is fearlessly swinging the racket like a devil and moving like a cheetah.......

i think nadal still takes the french open.......as you know we just have to go with nadal in the real format which is the best of 5 sets format on clay.......

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-18-2011, 08:17 AM
djokovic is the man right now and I am not overreacting.
Rafa seems tired on the court his fitness level is declined.
He doesnt have the aura as said I am invincibal any longer.

The Joke is not a joke any longer Djoke will win RG and pass Mcenroe 42 matches undefeated.

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-18-2011, 08:24 AM
i think his backhand has been the real problem this season, hercules........he has lost the dynamics of that wing dramatically.......he is not even able to drive the ball off that wing which should be a routine business for a top player.......

his backhand is that weak at the moment.......his movement and his forehand are there like always.......just that his backhand is temporarily dead and it is affecting his overall game significantly.......

as we know his backhand and forehand constitute 90% of his overall game.......when either of the wings is dead, he is out there operating at an overall efficiency of less than 50%.......

that coupled with his unparalleled will is still sufficient against 99% of the tour but it is proving to be a little short against the current sensation djokovic who is fearlessly swinging the racket like a devil and moving like a cheetah.......

i think nadal still takes the french open.......as you know we just have to go with nadal in the real format which is the best of 5 sets format on clay.......

agree with the bh argument. the timing to the bh was not good at the end of the match against Joko. He really moonballed with no pace at all. Better to slice it then as he did in US/open som successful. Really angry with him that he didnt could see that a slice bh to djoko is effective. Joko loves when you hit hard shots. Less when he himself most roll it up. Rafa should slice sometimes the opponent will roll up and then rafa can dictate.
When it comes to 5-sets or 3-sets so what I have seen lately is Djoko more fit and less tired than rafa on the matches.
Rafa has to run to much.
:D:eek::sad::D:eek::sad::D:sad::D:sad:

Li Ching Yuen
05-18-2011, 08:38 AM
If this is true then I wonder if it is faster than Wimbly.

Llodra and others have said that RG on a hot day is pretty damn fast even compared to Wimbledon, but of course the bounce is different and it's clay, so actually very different conditions altogether.

Soderling likes high bouncing courts and fast. Got the height and the power to hit the ball at shoulder height getting those almost unreturnable projectiles. Think Berdych likes it too for the same reasons. Ferrer is not as suited for being one of the shorter top 10 players.

Federer has always seemed to me like a guy who likes low bouncing fast courts. He likes taking the ball earlier. Also lacks the strength on his backhand side to handle high bounces as Rafa exploits but as every top player should exploit vs him on that type of surface.

Nadal/Djokovic likes everything but the slower the better for them. When you got the best defense you don't want a skills competition. You want an endurance face-off.

Berdych doesn't really like the very fast conditions as much as others, he needs a lot of time on the ball and his shots require a lot of preparation. Best tennis I've seen from him came against Murray, Isner and Youzhny in extremely damp conditions last year at RG where he just calibrated every shot the way he wanted and still got enough power to hit through the fog so to speak.

He plays well on the stupid fast indoor courts, where he actually grew up playing but there aren't any of those anymore, so that's irrelevant now.

henke007
05-18-2011, 08:45 AM
Great news, Nole will be nr 1 after this event.:devil:

Nadal:wavey:

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-18-2011, 08:48 AM
http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/babolat_becomes_official_ball_at_roland-garros/

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-18-2011, 08:51 AM
:devil: nole will be no 1 even if he looses to rafa in the final :devil:

the ranking is not important :wavey:

Action Jackson
05-18-2011, 08:54 AM
Llodra and others have said that RG on a hot day is pretty damn fast even compared to Wimbledon, but of course the bounce is different and it's clay, so actually very different conditions altogether.


Absolute irrelevant to compare grass and clay.

Berdych does better on heavier clay for the reasons you state.

henke007
05-18-2011, 08:58 AM
Now for the news that Wimbledon is even slower and with the slowest and heaviest ball known to mankind...

Li Ching Yuen
05-18-2011, 09:13 AM
Actually the rumors are that the North American HC events might be due to some changes this year too as far as playing conditions go.

Heard some talk about heavier balls being brought in and they do resurface the courts so there could be some surprises.

(This discussion was around San Jose)

We'll wait and see.

henke007
05-18-2011, 09:15 AM
No,no,no... It's enough with IW and Miami Blu/purple clay zzzzzzz

Super Djoker
05-18-2011, 11:15 AM
So they change the balls, So what? It,s still Clay, get over it. Don,t want fans making Excuses for there players! It,s the same for everybody

Foxy
05-18-2011, 11:27 AM
Faster clay is better for Rafa. Not the opposite. Get a clue.

Deivid23
05-18-2011, 11:40 AM
It will mean fuck all if it rains

Time Violation
05-18-2011, 11:42 AM
Faster clay is better for Rafa. Not the opposite. Get a clue.

Unless he loses... then it will be "red hardcourt" all over agian :p

sexybeast
05-18-2011, 11:44 AM
Good news for Nadal, bad news for Federer and neutral for Djokovic.

Foxy
05-18-2011, 11:55 AM
Unless he loses... then it will be "red hardcourt" all over agian :p

There is no high altitude in Paris and I doubt Rafa will have again the virus/fever!

Action Jackson
05-18-2011, 12:07 PM
It will mean fuck all if it rains

Depends on how much water the court takes. But it's a lot of people looking to get excuses in.

nalbyfan
05-18-2011, 01:03 PM
So Isner will beat Querrey in final and
Fish/ Roddick will win double
Can't wait to see that !!!

ballbasher101
05-18-2011, 01:24 PM
Don't think it matters either way. The weather in paris will determine how the courts will play. The last time I checked none of us are weather experts.

nalbyfan
05-18-2011, 01:35 PM
It hasn't rained in France for ages.
We're facing a massive dryness, weather experts schedule long hot summer.

ballbasher101
05-18-2011, 01:45 PM
It hasn't rained in France for ages.
We're facing a massive dryness, weather experts schedule long hot summer.

I don't know much about what is occuring in France so I will take your word on that.

timafi
05-18-2011, 02:28 PM
It hasn't rained in France for ages.
We're facing a massive dryness, weather experts schedule long hot summer.

unbelievable,no?

JolánGagó
05-18-2011, 02:37 PM
They can make it of lunar clay if so they wish, or Venusian... no French player will win it anyway :spit:

Start da Game
05-18-2011, 02:45 PM
They can make it of lunar clay if so they wish, or Venusian... no French player will win it anyway :spit:

that's not their primary intent, they are desperate to see clay god lose his title to somebody.......funny that they think fast clay and conditions hurt him.......

born_on_clay
05-18-2011, 04:52 PM
Nadal prefers faster surfaces atm ;)
It's all about movement
So, faster clay means Rafa can still slide and move better but his shots will be more effective (like on hardcourts)
Funny to see Rafa winning US Open, ultra fast Tokyo, taking sets off Nole in Indian Wells and Miami and not beeing able to win single set off Djokovic in Madrid and Rome
Good news Rafa fans ;)

Nadull_tard
05-18-2011, 05:11 PM
Suddenly it turns out Nadal is a fast surface lover. :lol:
Tards doing everything to cheer themselves up, but don't worry, Nadull will get spanked whatever the circumstances.

Schu
05-18-2011, 05:50 PM
So they change the balls, So what? It,s still Clay, get over it. Don,t want fans making Excuses for there players! It,s the same for everybody

This! Fast clay/slow clay, fast ball/slow ball it's still clay and still a tennis ball - oh wait they laid the clay court directly on top of the fastest indoor carpet known to man just to screw Nadal.

Get a grip guys and stop analyzing to death how it MIGHT affect certain players. It is what it is and players deal with all the time; if they can't they better pack it up.

Har-Tru
05-18-2011, 09:14 PM
Why don't we just paint hardcourts red come spring time and get on with it?

Say Hey Kid
05-19-2011, 12:09 AM
How big of a difference will these new balls make?

MayerFan
05-19-2011, 12:53 AM
How were the conditions at the US Open last year any fast?

Players can only judge a given condition. The court may be playing fast right now but the conditions can change very quickly.

hipolymer
05-19-2011, 01:14 AM
Haha, I really hope Rafa comes up against Soderling or Del Po early on and then we'll see how much he likes fast courts.

Topspin Forehand
05-19-2011, 01:27 AM
Soderling doesn't like the heat. Del Potro doesn't really like it either. Nadal would beat those players. These conditions should suit both Nadal and Federer. I think Murray and Djokovic will struggle a little with the faster conditions though. Especially Murray who has mastered the heavy conditions with his nice flat groundies but I have doubts about how he handles high bouncing conditions.

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 01:34 AM
The RG clay surface has always been one of the relatively more fast clay surfaces. It's nothing new - the speed of the surface is more dependant on the WEATHER over there, more than anything else.

So *cut the crap* about 'who will benefit from whatever the circumstances at RG', as it's not a certainty anyways right now. The weather in the more Northern parts of Europe are very unreliable, and as such, it's ridiculous to make any prediction on how the RG clay surface will play as of yet.

Topspin Forehand
05-19-2011, 01:39 AM
The RG clay surface has always been one of the relatively more fast clay surfaces. It's nothing new - the speed of the surface is more dependant on the WEATHER over there, more than anything else.

So *cut the crap* about 'who will benefit from whatever the circumstances at RG', as it's not a certainty anyways right now. The weather in the more Northern parts of Europe are very unreliable, and as such, it's ridiculous to make any prediction on how the RG clay surface will play as of yet.
Yes analyzing things like weather and form are completely useless as there is no certainty. :rolleyes: Why even analyze anything then? Back on topic. Knowing Nadal's luck this season, it will be hot the whole 2 weeks until the final with Djokovic. That's basically what happened in Rome.

careergrandslam
05-19-2011, 01:41 AM
screw this, nadal might aswell stay at home now.

i hate tennis now.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 01:41 AM
Paris is in the northern part of Europe?

Cool.

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 01:54 AM
Paris is in the northern part of Europe?

Cool.

Yep, it is. That means: it could be lovely, hot, over 25 degrees Celsius, but just as even, cold, raining, nasty below 15 degrees Celsius. ;)

As an inhabitant of Northern Europe myself, I know very well that the break-even-point on where the weather is 'always' nice = Lyon. ;)

careergrandslam
05-19-2011, 01:58 AM
i just hope the ball bounces extremely high.

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 02:00 AM
i just hope the ball bounces extremely high.

The higher the temperatures, the better for that.
Too early to make any prediction on the chances for that to happen right now, as the weather in Northern Europe is very unpredictable. Sea climate, you know.

Farenhajt
05-19-2011, 03:54 AM
Yep, it is. That means: it could be lovely, hot, over 25 degrees Celsius, but just as even, cold, raining, nasty below 15 degrees Celsius. ;)

As an inhabitant of Northern Europe myself, I know very well that the break-even-point on where the weather is 'always' nice = Lyon. ;)

I've always thought Paris and the Netherlands are mid-Western Europe, with Britain (or Scotland, more accurately) being borderline Northern, and the real Northern being Scandinavia, naturally - though I know the Dutch always consider themselves "Northerners", but presumably that has historic roots ("northern" as opposed to southern Spanish conquerors).

I think the climate in Paris and the Netherlands is much more influenced by the behavior of the Atlantic and the Gulf current then by the latitude.

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 04:47 AM
this......the zip and jump off the ground he gets makes him unplayable.......



what is actually exposed is your dumb observation of the players and the sport.......where were you when nadal won the us open and had people like you weeping for 3 days after the trophy ceremony?

bah, he beat a bunch of mugs on the way to the final and then a tired fako who was still able to take a set.

colour me impressed with your spartan rafito.

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 04:54 AM
The higher the temperatures, the better for that.
Too early to make any prediction on the chances for that to happen right now, as the weather in Northern Europe is very unpredictable. Sea climate, you know.

then again, if we have hot weather as it is predicted (big if, i guess), the bounces will be higher and rafito loves that.

he grew up playing on the clay courts of sunny mallorca for crying out loud

thrust
05-19-2011, 05:21 AM
i agree...

from a marketing point of view it is a master stroke by the atp to help the wheels turn for djokovic like they have... just as federer fades they help usher in a new marketable rivalry... tiriac's madrid indoor hard was, in the end, smart business... djoko will undoubtedly become the poster boy for what will one day be known as the mafia years... indeed a disgrace....

Pure utter BULLSHIT- LOL!! The FO hasn't even started, but you know how fast the surface will be? Whatever, it is still clay which is still very different from hard or grass.

Li Ching Yuen
05-19-2011, 08:29 AM
Yep, it is. That means: it could be lovely, hot, over 25 degrees Celsius, but just as even, cold, raining, nasty below 15 degrees Celsius. ;)

As an inhabitant of Northern Europe myself, I know very well that the break-even-point on where the weather is 'always' nice = Lyon. ;)

Hate to break it to you like this but France is not in Northern Europe. Paris is in north of France though, I'll give you that.

Nole fan
05-19-2011, 11:25 AM
So they change the balls, So what? It,s still Clay, get over it. Don,t want fans making Excuses for there players! It,s the same for everybody

Wisest statment in this thread.

barahmasa
05-19-2011, 12:22 PM
I thought nadal tards were those ridiculising other posters for their "ATP mafia" talks, now they are the ones talking about ATP conspiracies. I guess these are hard days for nadal tards...

Action Jackson
05-19-2011, 12:48 PM
Hahahaha France is not northern Europe.

barahmasa
05-19-2011, 01:11 PM
Hahaha, France is not northern Europe, hahaha - whatever makes you laugh...
Compared to Croatia, Spain and Italy it is kind of northern part of europe, but nevermind that, what the guy/girl wanted to say is that in that part of europe the weather is very changeable, I've been to Paris so I'd have to agree, the weather there sometimes changes so dramatically in minutes from very hot and dry to cold rainy and so on...

nole_no1
05-19-2011, 01:38 PM
Well at least now Rafatards will have an excuse when Nole will kick his ass :rolleyes:

barahmasa
05-19-2011, 01:44 PM
Well at least now Rafatards will have an excuse when Nole will kick his ass :rolleyes:

Don't be so cocky, you're just feeding them and be sure they will be all over you when Rafa (most probably) wins RG

tangerine_dream
05-19-2011, 04:29 PM
This reminds me of when Lance Armstrong was winning the Tour de France every year and the French tried everything to "de-Lance" the course.

Or when the golf course people were fed up with Tiger Woods winning everything and tried to "de-Tiger" the course.
True. If anything it's surprising the French didn't try to "de-Rafa" the clay surface years earlier.

Mungo
05-19-2011, 06:47 PM
The X Factor of RG 2011, the new Babolat balls, suit Nadal's game. 'They take the spin well and the bounces are vivid', said the world no.1. Good job Babolat! :worship:

Nadull_tard
05-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Nadal forum

Sapeod
05-19-2011, 06:52 PM
Good to hear, maybe now Djokovic won't get the no.1 ranking :yeah:

This won't help Murray that much, but he should gradually get used to them throughout the tournament :yeah:

Mungo
05-19-2011, 06:53 PM
Nadal forum

Move the 'what's wrong with nadal' thread then. This thread is about the new RG balls, hope everyone has the ability to get it.

Branimir
05-19-2011, 06:57 PM
You really think tennis ball will make a difference? You can't be serious.

Certinfy
05-19-2011, 06:59 PM
NID since Babolat sponsor that moonballing mug in the first place.

Nadull_tard
05-19-2011, 07:00 PM
Nadal fanboys are just grasping the straws.

come2papa
05-19-2011, 07:04 PM
Good to hear, maybe now Djokovic won't get the no.1 ranking :yeah:

This won't help Murray that much, but he should gradually get used to them throughout the tournament :yeah:

Nadal can't stop djokovic from getting no.1 anyways...all he needs is a final and i don't see anyone stopping him before that...:wavey:

Alex999
05-19-2011, 07:04 PM
yeah, Nole is shaking right now, lol.

barbadosan
05-19-2011, 07:06 PM
Well then if Djoko beats him at RG, it hopefully won't be because of Nadal being tired, injured, the court or his balls :devil:

DorianGray7
05-19-2011, 07:41 PM
I actually like Nadal more than Djokovic but the fanboys and Nadal-tards on MTF has made me hate Nadal now so that I root for Djokovic just to stick it to the Nadal-tards on MTF and watch them cry.

a@@holes. It's the truth.

Sapeod
05-19-2011, 07:42 PM
Nadal can't stop djokovic from getting no.1 anyways...all he needs is a final and i don't see anyone stopping him before that...:wavey:
You will be sorely surprised :wavey:

vucina
05-19-2011, 07:59 PM
He actually said "vivid"? Damn, his English improved.

CCBH
05-19-2011, 08:03 PM
I actually like Nadal more than Djokovic but the fanboys and Nadal-tards on MTF has made me hate Nadal now so that I root for Djokovic just to stick it to the Nadal-tards on MTF and watch them cry.

a@@holes. It's the truth.

So you are that easily swayed by the rants of immature dolts? Strong character :yeah:

zlaja777
05-19-2011, 08:28 PM
Just give him the trophy now. It must be over.

Nathaliia
05-19-2011, 08:33 PM
Well then if Djoko beats him at RG, it hopefully won't be because of Nadal being tired, injured, the court or his balls :devil:
Maybe the balls are good, but the court is way too fast.

Lleyton_
05-19-2011, 08:40 PM
Nothing can save Nadal from the 5th successive thrashing :bigwave:

Miloti
05-19-2011, 08:53 PM
This is ridiculous :rolleyes:. I don't think its true, but who knows:shrug:.

If it was true maybe players should have said something regarding it, but no one is mentioning it :shrug:.

Sapeod
05-19-2011, 09:04 PM
Fsat conditons? This will definitely help Murray. Semi-final is looming.

fast_clay
05-19-2011, 09:06 PM
wow... nadal fans in pain here... soiled pants everywhere these days..

Clay Death
05-19-2011, 09:07 PM
i believe murray is going to make the semis there this year depending of course on the right draw for him.

acionescu
05-19-2011, 09:08 PM
Good. Because it's what I think Nadal needs right now: new balls :yeah:

Foxy
05-19-2011, 09:14 PM
Vamos!

ballbasher101
05-19-2011, 09:22 PM
I hope the Djoker wins Roland Garros. Federer's legacy needs protecting. The Djoker is the only barrier between Nadal being crowned the greatest of all time at the moment. Lets hope Muzza wakes up and starts beating Nadal.

janko05
05-19-2011, 09:22 PM
Nadal forum

I laugh every time I see your avatar. That was the same face Nadal gave when asked to comment on Nole's "I was in control of the match"

Sapeod
05-19-2011, 09:24 PM
i believe murray is going to make the semis there this year depending of course on the right draw for him.
If he draws Melzer in his quarter, that will be great. Berdych, Soderling and Ferrer are very tough on clay. Then again, I'm sure he could beat them in his current clay form.

tektonac
05-19-2011, 09:25 PM
Vamos!

Tamos!

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:42 PM
You really think tennis ball will make a difference? You can't be serious.

of course it does. a big difference actually

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:43 PM
He actually said "vivid"? Damn, his English improved.

vivid = vívido in spanish

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 09:46 PM
Nothing can save Nadal from the 5th successive thrashing :bigwave:

nah, fako is a mug when it comes to beat nadull in the big tournaments. he'll bend over in a second if he gets to see pocahontas in the other side of the net for RG. Im totally sure of it.

Dejan16
05-19-2011, 09:46 PM
The faster these balls are, the faster nadal is going to see novaks btl winners blow by him...

Mjau!
05-19-2011, 09:46 PM
That is so not an actual Rafaquote! :o


Stupid Babolat! :cuckoo: First they develop special strings custom made for Rafa, then they make everyone play with Rafa's favourite balls! :rolleyes:

r2473
05-19-2011, 09:47 PM
What balls were used in the past?

How do these differ exactly?

MIMIC
05-19-2011, 09:52 PM
Djokovic should retire for his fans.

ZaZoo)
05-19-2011, 09:54 PM
He actually said "vivid"? Damn, his English improved.

My thoughts as well :superlol:


Anyway, hope Rafa got balls he needed now.. :lol:

Mjau!
05-19-2011, 10:01 PM
This reminds me of when Lance Armstrong was winning the Tour de France every year and the French tried everything to "de-Lance" the course.

They did? :scratch:

abraxas21
05-19-2011, 10:15 PM
This reminds me of when Lance Armstrong was winning the Tour de France every year and the French tried everything to "de-Lance" the course.

Or when the golf course people were fed up with Tiger Woods winning everything and tried to "de-Tiger" the course.

But, in 2011, I feel that Nadal's game is better on faster courts than slow clay these days. This might come back to bite the French in the ass.

Who knows.

ridiculous

Sunset of Age
05-19-2011, 10:20 PM
I swear I've seen at least one Rafatard claiming that Rafa lost the Rome final because it was "slow, muddy clay" over there. :confused:

BigJohn
05-20-2011, 12:26 AM
Hahaha, France is not northern Europe, hahaha - whatever makes you laugh...
Compared to Croatia (...) it is kind of northern part of europe, but nevermind that..

Croatia? Zagreb is located at a higher latitude than Lyon, Bordeaux, Grenoble, St-Étienne, Cannes, Marseille, Montpellier... it would be almost in the center of France.

Sunset of Age
05-20-2011, 12:30 AM
Croatia? Zagreb is located at a higher latitude than Lyon, Bordeaux, Grenoble, St-Étienne, Cannes, Marseille, Montpellier... it would be almost in the center of France.

Exactly. ;)

Li Ching Yuen
05-20-2011, 12:31 AM
There's dense knowledge of geography going around in this thread.

BigJohn
05-20-2011, 12:35 AM
Exactly. ;)

Pictured: Northern Europe

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2116/2076199011_bb7ded7104.jpg

http://www.a-taste-of-france.com/images/nice-france-holiday-apartment-for-up-to-6-to-rent-on-the-promenade-des-anglais-21299651.jpg

http://www.globusjourneys.com/Common/Images/Destinations/promenade_des_anglais.jpg

:p

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 12:39 AM
:lol:

I can't believe anyone is seriously saying Nadal plays better on fast courts.

Sunset of Age
05-20-2011, 12:40 AM
Pictured: Northern Europe
:p

:haha:

Well I've noticed some posters over here seem to have some kinda reading problems. I'll explain it once more: PARIS is on the 'northern' side of France, and 'enjoys' the same kind of sea climate as do The Netherlands, Belgium, and the like. In other words: it can be steaming hot and dry, but also, wet and cloudy, the latter happening more often than the former.

All of us 'Notherners' know that the break-even point when it comes to Good Weather, lies at Lyon. ;) Above = sh*t, below = :hearts:
MOST of the time, not always. ;)

Sunset of Age
05-20-2011, 12:41 AM
:lol:

I can't believe anyone is seriously saying Nadal plays better on fast courts.

Ask Topspindoctor, for instance. :angel:

BULLZ1LLA
05-20-2011, 12:41 AM
Just finished reading some info from journalists that have already gotten in Paris and have had a chat with some of the players that have made an early arrival in Paris to practice and some of the qualifiers and the unanimous impression is that the overall conditions are faster than last year.

The weather in Paris has been dry and pretty warm/hot ever since March and there are prognosis that it will continue to be so throughout the duration of the whole 2 weeks of play, which is different to last year when there were some muggy days at some point.

Also, this year they have changed the balls, they are using now Babolat, which some of the players have described as being quick, similar to what the US Open had.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2011-05-17/201105171305650899113.html

(Awesome I hope it's as fast at the US Open so Rafa can equal the serving record for fewest breaks as he did at US Open 2010)

BULLZ1LLA
05-20-2011, 12:43 AM
(Djokovic meanwhile tends to do much better on slow hardcourts, always done best at the Australian Open especially. Needs time to execute)

hipolymer
05-20-2011, 12:52 AM
(Djokovic meanwhile tends to do much better on slow hardcourts, always done best at the Australian Open especially. Needs time to execute)

You're crazy if you think the French Open, even with these faster conditions, will be faster than Australian Open.

:o

Topspin Forehand
05-20-2011, 12:52 AM
Great news. I was right about quicker balls favoring Nadal. It's those heavy balls and heavy conditions that don't suit Nadal. I think Nadal has a light racquet plays a part in why certain balls suit him more.

Topspin Forehand
05-20-2011, 12:56 AM
The faster these balls are, the faster nadal is going to see novaks btl winners blow by him...
Yawn. Djokovic shots have so much weight on them, that heavy conditions don't hinder that shot. It's the quick conditions that allow Nadal to attack back rather than Djokovic always dictating.

rofe
05-20-2011, 01:00 AM
Novak seems to have really rattled some Rafatards into discussing how the court and ball speed is going to affect the 5 time RG champion. :o

Topspin Forehand
05-20-2011, 01:00 AM
You're crazy if you think the French Open, even with these faster conditions, will be faster than Australian Open.

:o
I think you are mixing up conditions with court speed. Conditions are the weather and the balls used. Do you want the ball to feel heavy or light? Whether the conditions and court speed combined allows for more free points at RG will be close I think. You also got to consider the unpredictable bounces at RG make it harder to attack a serve. Thus maybe it is still slower but the bounces make it equally hard to return.

batavlada
05-20-2011, 01:04 AM
Nadal Out In R1. Thanks To Balls. That Would Be Funny.

Topspin Forehand
05-20-2011, 01:04 AM
Novak seems to have really rattled some Rafatards into discussing how the court and ball speed is going to affect the 5 time RG champion. :o
:rolleyes:Yes maybe it is a bigger deal now since Djokovic is playing great. But maybe you don't how much it has helped Djokovic handle Nadal's spin when Nadal's shots aren't getting the action that he relies on. It's not like Djokovic relies a ton on his serve anyways. Faster conditions definitely favor Nadal. Not necessarily faster courts though. Anyways if Djokovic can beat Nadal in Nadal's type of conditions, I'll tip my hat to him. That will be the toughest feat for Djokovic.

MaxPower
05-20-2011, 01:06 AM
We will now this soon enough anyway. It's not like a few percent difference in the ball will change the entire dynamics of RG but maybe it does.

I do however think Nadal should have prayed everything remained the same. He has won there 5 times. RG suited his game perfectly and if organizers start to mix things up maybe it will favor entirely different players. For example if the ball makes it easier to get more spin maybe it will favor a little weaker player who didn't put so much topspin anyway and now gets less errors. Maybe it favors power players who get tons of spin on the ball but still go over the baseline often and now they good get more margin in their game.

And then Nadal crashes and burns in R4/QF. eat that!

Kip
05-20-2011, 01:11 AM
So if he loses, what will be the excuse then?

Farenhajt
05-20-2011, 01:11 AM
:haha:

Well I've noticed some posters over here seem to have some kinda reading problems. I'll explain it once more: PARIS is on the 'northern' side of France, and 'enjoys' the same kind of sea climate as do The Netherlands, Belgium, and the like. In other words: it can be steaming hot and dry, but also, wet and cloudy, the latter happening more often than the former.

All of us 'Notherners' know that the break-even point when it comes to Good Weather, lies at Lyon. ;) Above = sh*t, below = :hearts:
MOST of the time, not always. ;)

No one had the trouble understanding that. Some posters disputed your label "Northerners" applied to the Parisians, Dutch etc.

Latitude-wise, and within Europe, you're definitely not Northerners.

Climate-wise, and within Europe, you're ALSO not Northerners (you definitely don't have subpolar or polar climate), but some appropriate term would be "Gulf-Currenters" (this current happens to pass by the Northern France, the Benelux and the British Isles, so those regions have comparable climate conditions.)

Topspin Forehand
05-20-2011, 01:11 AM
We will now this soon enough anyway. It's not like a few percent difference in the ball will change the entire dynamics of RG but maybe it does.

I do however think Nadal should have prayed everything remained the same. He has won there 5 times. RG suited his game perfectly and if organizers start to mix things up maybe it will favor entirely different players. For example if the ball makes it easier to get more spin maybe it will favor a little weaker player who didn't put so much topspin anyway and now gets less errors. Maybe it favors power players who get tons of spin on the ball but still go over the baseline often and now they good get more margin in their game.

And then Nadal crashes and burns in R4/QF. eat that!
I think those are the risks Nadal is willing to take to allow for maximum spin and action on his shots. And btw I think the Dunlop ball has gotten heavier as Nadal mentioned it last year and his Davis Cup coach mentioned it again during Monte-Carlo.

BULLZ1LLA
05-20-2011, 01:24 AM
(The new Babolat balls are really high bouncing, who does high bounce favor?)

Sunset of Age
05-20-2011, 01:25 AM
No one had the trouble understanding that. Some posters disputed your label "Northerners" applied to the Parisians, Dutch etc.

Latitude-wise, and within Europe, you're definitely not Northerners.

Climate-wise, and within Europe, you're ALSO not Northerners (you definitely don't have subpolar or polar climate), but some appropriate term would be "Gulf-Currenters" (this current happens to pass by the Northern France, the Benelux and the British Isles, so those regions have comparable climate conditions.)

Who are those "you's" you're talking about?
Let me tell you this, being a Dutchie, daily 'enjoying' our sea climate over here, we're most definately Northerners. Unless you think those only live in Scandinavia. ;)

Johnny Groove
05-20-2011, 01:35 AM
I must say I love reading the in-depth opinions regarding court speed, northern European weather conditions and average climate at this time of year, chances of rain, new Babolat ball dissection, and thickness and consistency of the clay by the super intelligent and incredibly objective and unbiased experts of MTF.

Bravo :hatoff:

fast_clay
05-20-2011, 01:49 AM
it will be a bloody red hardcourt

ATP Mafia favoring Djokovic

tennis is a disgrace

i agree...

from a marketing point of view it is a master stroke by the atp to help the wheels turn for djokovic like they have... just as federer fades they help usher in a new marketable rivalry... tiriac's madrid indoor hard was, in the end, smart business... djoko will undoubtedly become the poster boy for what will one day be known as the mafia years... indeed a disgrace....

Pure utter BULLSHIT- LOL!! The FO hasn't even started, but you know how fast the surface will be? Whatever, it is still clay which is still very different from hard or grass.

got the sarcasm detector turned off have we...? or maybe the word sarcasm is being phased out of american english...? congratulations... you just got trolled you ignorant donut muncher... go watch some commercials and maybe some sh!te program in between... leave the constructive tennis talk to rest of the world... go now fatty... warm up the apple pie... have two servings even... quick... go now before hunger returns...

Alex999
05-20-2011, 01:56 AM
:rolleyes:Yes maybe it is a bigger deal now since Djokovic is playing great. But maybe you don't how much it has helped Djokovic handle Nadal's spin when Nadal's shots aren't getting the action that he relies on. It's not like Djokovic relies a ton on his serve anyways. Faster conditions definitely favor Nadal. Not necessarily faster courts though. Anyways if Djokovic can beat Nadal in Nadal's type of conditions, I'll tip my hat to him. That will be the toughest feat for Djokovic.

I'm saying this with all respect to you and other Nadal fans: it's getting a little bit silly when you guys keep over-analyzing everything to death; the type of clay, court speed,altitude, balls, humidity, weather etc. that Rafa needs in order to play his perfect tennis and win against Djokovic or whoever. Yes, it does matter to a certain degree but please ... is it really that important on a big scale of things...?

MayerFan
05-20-2011, 02:02 AM
got the sarcasm detector turned off have we...? or maybe the word sarcasm is being phased out of american english...? congratulations... you just got trolled you ignorant donut muncher... go watch some commercials and maybe some sh!te program in between... leave the constructive tennis talk to rest of the world... go now fatty... warm up the apple pie... have two servings even... quick... go now before hunger returns...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110326183450/spore/images/a/ac/400px-Trollface.jpg

mark73
05-20-2011, 02:13 AM
Anyone know at what time tommorow the mens singles draw is being made?

Super Djoker
05-20-2011, 02:18 AM
This sound a bit desperate 2 me? The new ball suits Nadal,s game? Come off it ! Lol

Sunset of Age
05-20-2011, 02:20 AM
I'm saying this with all respect to you and other Nadal fans: it's getting a little bit silly when you guys keep analyzing everything; the type of clay, court speed,altitude, balls, humidity, weather etc. that Rafa needs in order to play his perfect tennis and win against Djokovic or whoever. Yes, it does matter to a certain degree but please ... is it really that important on a big scale of things...?

Couldn't goodrep you again, but that's one of a truly intelligent post. ;)

Super Djoker
05-20-2011, 02:29 AM
You will be sorely surprised :wavey:

Will you be surprised when Murray loses to the first decent Clay court player he plays? No neither will I! :p

fast_clay
05-20-2011, 02:29 AM
9:30am london 5:30am nyc

Sunset of Age
05-20-2011, 02:43 AM
I must say I love reading the in-depth opinions regarding court speed, northern European weather conditions and average climate at this time of year, chances of rain, new Babolat ball dissection, and thickness and consistency of the clay by the super intelligent and incredibly objective and unbiased experts of MTF.

Bravo :hatoff:

Glad to oblige. It sounds like... uhm... some kind of weird science, no? :p

:haha:

fast_clay
05-20-2011, 02:55 AM
court conditions and ball type will matter little now that novak is on a strict diet on No More Hugz™

Topspin Forehand
05-20-2011, 03:15 AM
I'm saying this with all respect to you and other Nadal fans: it's getting a little bit silly when you guys keep over-analyzing everything to death; the type of clay, court speed,altitude, balls, humidity, weather etc. that Rafa needs in order to play his perfect tennis and win against Djokovic or whoever. Yes, it does matter to a certain degree but please ... is it really that important on a big scale of things...?
Think about it. You got the player that has the most topspin in tennis. Wouldn't it make the biggest difference for him over anyone else how well the ball takes topspin? Against anyone else, Nadal can win on clay with just any conditions. But against Djokovic, he will need everything to suit him. I have yet to see the conditions completely suit Rafa this clay season. He has won with relying on endurance more as his topspin hasn't been that effective against many players. Either everyone else has gotten better at handling the high ball or Nadal's shots aren't kicking up that high. So in my opinion, conditions are critical for Nadal's specialization of producing high topspin shots. Nadal really doesn't have a Plan B on clay. On hardcourt, he is willing to take the ball earlier and go after the opponent. Take it to them. Maybe we'll see some of that as well if the conditions are that much quicker. And Nadal beat Djokovic at the US Open. Those balls were even lighter than the Babolat balls. I know you want to keep it simple as mano y mano but there is more to it than that.

Roadmap
05-20-2011, 03:53 AM
If anything Nadal might play with underdog spirit against djokovic and win comfortably. Failing that he can always fake injury. One things for certain there will be some injury faking in final between nadal an dokovic

BigJohn
05-20-2011, 03:56 AM
If anything Nadal might play with underdog spirit against djokovic and win comfortably. Failing that he can always fake injury. One things for certain there will be some injury faking in final between nadal an dokovic

This is one bold first post, hitting the ground running.

paseo
05-20-2011, 04:08 AM
This is one bold first post, hitting the ground running.

:D

Li Ching Yuen
05-22-2011, 10:32 AM
Mats Trollander: "The new Babolat balls are very quick, fly off the court and don't take spin very well".

I'm watching a bit of Stosur and it seems that after the first game she started swinging more freely at the ball instead of trying to get some heavy spin on it.

This looks like a ball-basher's paradise.

What is it with the French Federation, they seem to be leading a bit of a wave on not doing it like everyone else does.

Nole Rules
05-22-2011, 10:35 AM
^ Bad news for Rafa?:lol:

Nole Rules
05-22-2011, 10:42 AM
I'm saying this with all respect to you and other Nadal fans: it's getting a little bit silly when you guys keep over-analyzing everything to death; the type of clay, court speed,altitude, balls, humidity, weather etc. that Rafa needs in order to play his perfect tennis and win against Djokovic or whoever. Yes, it does matter to a certain degree but please ... is it really that important on a big scale of things...?

:worship:

nobama
05-22-2011, 10:44 AM
Mats Trollander: "The new Babolat balls are very quick, fly off the court and don't take spin very well".

I'm watching a bit of Stosur and it seems that after the first game she started swinging more freely at the ball instead of trying to get some heavy spin on it.

This looks like a ball-basher's paradise.

What is it with the French Federation, they seem to be leading a bit of a wave on not doing it like everyone else does.I thought cheater said he liked the balles because they took his spin well? :confused:

Li Ching Yuen
05-22-2011, 10:49 AM
Nishikori and Lu looks way faster than Miami, waaaaaay faster actually. But then again it's probably because of their style as well.

You could see why Soderling likes it here so much, perfect conditions for him.

Roland Garros: pace>spin. Which is kind of rare if you think about it.

And fuck everybody with their Nadal remarks, I couldn't give a shit about how this might affect him.

Lleyton_
05-22-2011, 10:54 AM
Nadal's moonballs won't trouble Djokovic. That shit doesn't work vs two-handed bh :bigwave:

Rafa#Uno:-)
05-22-2011, 10:55 AM
stosur likes the ball.....she has top/spinn
....

Li Ching Yuen
05-22-2011, 02:29 PM
Jason Goodall: "The new balls are like rocks, they help the guys with big games and also the big servers but as always if the weather gets damp the conditions get significantly slower".

Eurosport 2 commentary.

MaxPower
05-22-2011, 02:39 PM
If Goodall knows his tennis and he should then Soderling is in for a treat.

Certinfy
05-22-2011, 02:44 PM
Djokovic's draw: Del Potro, Bellucci, Berdych.

This could be fun with those balls :lol:

Li Ching Yuen
05-22-2011, 02:48 PM
Djokovic's draw: Del Potro, Bellucci, Berdych.

This could be fun with those balls :lol:

Djokovic can hit the ball almost as hard as those guys, and heck even more consistently.

You people need to stop worrying about Djokovic, the guy can win his matches. He's been kinda doing that in the past 7 months or so.

Filo V.
05-22-2011, 03:04 PM
It's playing quick, not OMG fast, but quick. The main thing is those balls, though. They fly though the air and you can tell they are exactly like Goodall said, like rocks. Conditions really aren't that bad for Nadal if this holds up, will give his shots more juice, and it's not so fast that he'll be forced on the defensive constantly.

philosophicalarf
05-22-2011, 03:11 PM
I think they've slowed down the surface a bit from last year to compensate for the balls.

Might not be much fun for the Dusseldorf boys, very different balls, surface and conditions, and not much time to get used to it.

ossie
05-22-2011, 03:19 PM
I think they've slowed down the surface a bit from last year to compensate for the balls.

Might not be much fun for the Dusseldorf boys, very different balls, surface and conditions, and not much time to get used to it.
thats what you get for playing dusseldorf

philosophicalarf
05-22-2011, 03:29 PM
thats what you get for playing dusseldorf

Yup. Especially when Nice is available if you really must play that week (they've switched to Babolats).

v-money
05-22-2011, 03:59 PM
Fsat conditons? This will definitely help Murray. Semi-final is looming.

The ball change should help Murray, but he has criticized the change: http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/92189.html?CMP=OTC-RSS. I think he has a good point.

Topspin Forehand
05-22-2011, 07:23 PM
The ball change should help Murray, but he has criticized the change: http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/92189.html?CMP=OTC-RSS. I think he has a good point.
I think it hurts Murray. I think Murray is really strong and can hit through heavy conditions easily. I think his flat backhand has less room for error as well with these balls. I think Nadal's shots will be very effective with these conditions. I thought the heavy balls forced Nadal on the defensive too much. He plays his best when he is attacking.

Start da Game
05-22-2011, 07:25 PM
I think it hurts Murray. I think Murray is really strong and can hit through heavy conditions easily. I think his flat backhand has less room for error as well with these balls. I think Nadal's shots will be very effective with these conditions.

concurred.......clay god can impart spin on iron balls, these balls are nothing.......he will also enjoy the jump and zip off the ground.......i am expecting straight set demolitions from him until the final.......

fast_clay
05-22-2011, 11:52 PM
Mats Trollander: "The new Babolat balls are very quick, fly off the court and don't take spin very well".

I'm watching a bit of Stosur and it seems that after the first game she started swinging more freely at the ball instead of trying to get some heavy spin on it.

This looks like a ball-basher's paradise.

What is it with the French Federation, they seem to be leading a bit of a wave on not doing it like everyone else does.

Trollander... :lol: ... the guy is good i'll give him that... i worshipped the guy as a kid... has the the rossignol racquet and all... but, he is tenfold more potent in his role as a pundit than he ever was in his prime...ffs he's successfully trolled the shit out of a couple of rocks... GoatTROLL

anyways, about your point in bold, and also taking bercy into account, it would seem that the FFT deffo have their finger on the pulse in regards to where the game should or could move... god knows that in Formula 1 the move away from static homogenised rules and the monotonous, limitless out of race testing has reinvigorated the sport for the better - with the new rubber being used by pirelli really throwing a spanner in the works this year... i know the sports are poles apart, but we all know the various levers and switches in tennis are not being played with as much as the could be in order to restore the balance, and force the 'greats' to adapt to a new set of variables from week to week like they once did...

Mungo
05-22-2011, 11:58 PM
I think it hurts Murray. I think Murray is really strong and can hit through heavy conditions easily. I think his flat backhand has less room for error as well with these balls. I think Nadal's shots will be very effective with these conditions. I thought the heavy balls forced Nadal on the defensive too much. He plays his best when he is attacking.

Exactly. Good to see some knowledgeable people on this forum, it's not a coincidence that you're a Nadal fan as well.

Sapeod
05-22-2011, 11:59 PM
Djokovic can hit the ball almost as hard as those guys, and heck even more consistently.

You people need to stop worrying about Djokovic, the guy can win his matches. He's been kinda doing that in the past 7 months or so.
Del Potro hits the ball way harder than Djokovic :lol: In fact, all 3 of them do, especially Del Potro and Berdych, who are flat hitters. Bellucci's has tonnes of spin on it, but it's very fast too. Djokovic DOES NOT hit the ball anywhere near as hard as they do, and he can't either.

That said, he will be too consistent for them and they'll end up making errors everywhere, but I'm hoping Berdych can beat him.

Li Ching Yuen
05-23-2011, 08:03 AM
David Ferrer: "The balls are very very fast, they're designed for players that do well on fast surfaces."

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/multimedia/2011-05-22/0130164288480000006a.html

jeremda01
05-23-2011, 08:50 AM
Del Potro hits the ball way harder than Djokovic :lol: In fact, all 3 of them do, especially Del Potro and Berdych, who are flat hitters. Bellucci's has tonnes of spin on it, but it's very fast too. Djokovic DOES NOT hit the ball anywhere near as hard as they do, and he can't either.

That said, he will be too consistent for them and they'll end up making errors everywhere, but I'm hoping Berdych can beat him.

i like your posts cause more than half of them are just funny/unrealistic like this one. :) i think nole will have no difficulties against anyone on clay in RG. he's superman now currently. :)

Lana87
05-23-2011, 09:06 AM
i like your posts cause more than half of them are just funny/unrealistic like this one. :) i think nole will have no difficulties against anyone on clay in RG. he's superman now currently. :)


I'm a big Nole fan but your post is as unrealistic as Danger Ehren's, sorry :-)

I just found on some other board, someone said: "Win or lose, stick by your player - but accept that he is human and can lose."

MaxPower
05-23-2011, 09:32 AM
Djokovic might not be as good as Del Potro, Berdych, Soderling at generating power out of nothing but feed him a high pace shot and he can send it back even faster. Sort of like the ultimate returner. He wont suffer much from a new ball. But not gain much either.

Bet Djokovic AND Murray would have liked it to stay the same just because it was working well for them in Rome so they'd rather keep it rolling the way it was. Not gonna say much positive things about a ball change if you were perfectly happy with the previous ball.

wee
05-23-2011, 09:47 AM
already making excuses in case nadal loses. love it

jeremda01
05-23-2011, 09:51 AM
I'm a big Nole fan but your post is as unrealistic as Danger Ehren's, sorry :-)

I just found on some other board, someone said: "Win or lose, stick by your player - but accept that he is human and can lose."

i know that he'll lose but i cant see it coming at RG that's all. am i saying that nole will win RG - yes if he is healthy and fit, well rested etc. though, im eager to see the babolat ball's effects on his game though good or bad :).

Li Ching Yuen
05-23-2011, 10:24 AM
Karlovic seems to be liking the new ball.

Two love games on serve.

tribalfusion
05-23-2011, 10:35 AM
Djokovic can hit the ball almost as hard as those guys, and heck even more consistently

Djokovic can't generate their power with anything approaching regularity. That isn't how he wins nor how he could even if he wanted to.

Li Ching Yuen
05-23-2011, 10:58 AM
If you don't see me replying directly that's just me pretending you made sense.

finishingmove
05-23-2011, 11:15 AM
karlovic living the dream of playing a grand slam on carpet

Action Jackson
05-23-2011, 11:16 AM
Can you talk about the Karlo/Del Potro match in the Livescores please.

Commander Data
05-23-2011, 11:40 AM
Can you talk about the Karlo/Del Potro match in the Livescores please.

:lol:

Nole fan
05-23-2011, 11:47 AM
Djokovic can hit the ball almost as hard as those guys, and heck even more consistently.

You people need to stop worrying about Djokovic, the guy can win his matches. He's been kinda doing that in the past 7 months or so.

THIS.
He has proved that he can win under any surface/condition.

Topspin Forehand
05-23-2011, 09:28 PM
After watching the matches, I still like Nadal's chances. I really think Djokovic is really hard to hit through with slower balls. Nadal needed the faster balls to make it really hard for Djokovic to play defense. Though it could be the case where someone else matches up better with Nadal now that the balls are faster (Isner). But just in the Nadal/Djokovic type matches, I think it favors Nadal.

DrJules
05-23-2011, 09:59 PM
After watching the matches, I still like Nadal's chances. I really think Djokovic is really hard to hit through with slower balls. Nadal needed the faster balls to make it really hard for Djokovic to play defense. Though it could be the case where someone else matches up better with Nadal now that the balls are faster (Isner). But just in the Nadal/Djokovic type matches, I think it favors Nadal.

Good to see you are tying to remain optimistic.

Faster conditions may give Nadal a better chance to break down the Djokovic defense although even with faster balls the Serbian wall may not be breeched.

Topspin Forehand
05-23-2011, 10:26 PM
Good to see you are tying to remain optimistic.

Faster conditions may give Nadal a better chance to break down the Djokovic defense although even with faster balls the Serbian wall may not be breeched.
All that I know is that heavy Dunlop ball suits Djokovic perfectly. Taking that ball away from him could make it more interesting. Anyways, the best part of RG for Rafa is how well he moves on crushed brick. He slips much more on the courts in Rome and Madrid which look more like sandy courts.

DrJules
05-23-2011, 10:49 PM
All that I know is that heavy Dunlop ball suits Djokovic perfectly. Taking that ball away from him could make it more interesting. Anyways, the best part of RG for Rafa is how well he moves on crushed brick. He slips much more on the courts in Rome and Madrid which look more like sandy courts.

So his defeat in Madrid and Rome was caused by the wrong sort of clay.

Topspin Forehand
05-23-2011, 11:16 PM
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So his defeat in Madrid and Rome was caused by the wrong sort of clay.
Nadal always struggles in Madrid and Rome. Yes the courts have a different texture to them. Nadal's lost twice at Madrid and almost lost to Djokovic in 2009. Nadal's had his fair share of struggles at Rome as well. I'm not saying it's night and day but Nadal has clearly looked more comfortable at RG than Rome or Madrid in the past. The exception was in 09 where Nadal struggled physically.

abraxas21
05-23-2011, 11:36 PM
THIS.
He has proved that he can win under any surface/condition.

most surfaces are slow these days, though.

abraxas21
05-24-2011, 12:28 AM
delpo said that the ball bounces very high but that it was expected.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-24-2011, 01:10 AM
Yeah doesn't really matter. Novak is versatile enough to handle any condition on any given day. Thats another reason why he's so special and why he'll win RG. Could be a problem for some other players though (who cares).

Mjau!
05-24-2011, 03:23 AM
How :cuckoo: to change the balls that the players have used throughout the clay season just before the French Open. :retard: This corporate :bs: must end! Pick one ball and stick with it!

Babolat have obviously designed the ball to be as high :bounce: as possible for Rafa's sake. :rolleyes: Such blatant corruption! :o

Just like "RPM blast" was custom made for Rafa. This string technology nonsense is turning tennis into F1! :sad:

Mjau!
05-24-2011, 03:38 AM
Babolat tailor made strings for Rafa that he has been using since last year!

MayerFan
05-24-2011, 03:49 AM
Since when professionals use stock equipment?

Mjau!
05-24-2011, 03:50 AM
Nuh uhh I looked it up! Its called Duralast :ras: and its painted black to look like rpm

Nah uh! You're wrong! :ras: Tio Toni asked Babolat to develop strings tailored for Rafa's game. That's what they did and that's the strings he uses!

Mjau!
05-24-2011, 04:06 AM
I don't know what that is :shrug:

Topspin Forehand
05-24-2011, 05:10 PM
Nevermind. They don't suit Nadal at all. So much for that. Nadal's shots aren't dropping like he wants them to do when trying to implement a lot of spin.

Mungo
05-24-2011, 05:43 PM
First, they took some clay off the courts and made the surface thinner and faster. Then, they didn't water the courts as much as before. Now, they change the balls. I trusted the hype about the new faster and higher bouncing balls before watching the matches, I was wrong. They crossed the line. Never in tennis history there were so many unreturnable serves at R.Garros. Karlovic and Isner giving scares to the top guys...basically they sped up RG in every possible way: surface, balls...and it has gotten ridiculous. This is not the clay we all know, this is a fraud, plain and simple. Watching R. Garros is like watching a hardcourt Slam.
Montecarlo, Barcelona and Rome carry the flag of real clay now, please don't change. RG organizers should be ashamed.

Raiden
05-24-2011, 05:44 PM
... and Hello serve and volley :)

^^OP stop whining. This is only logical (compensation for what has happend to the grass at Wimbledon since the beginning of the 2000s

Lana87
05-24-2011, 05:44 PM
All good news for Nadal for those who understand his game.
Nevermind. They don't suit Nadal at all. So much for that. Nadal's shots aren't dropping like he wants them to do when trying to implement a lot of spin.


Does this mean that those who understand his game aren't his fans? http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Lanabgd/new/9228dd3d.gif

_Chaz
05-24-2011, 05:45 PM
I guess this thread wouldn't exist if Nadal won 7-6 7-6 7-6 today :haha:

philosophicalarf
05-24-2011, 05:45 PM
How :cuckoo: to change the balls that the players have used throughout the clay season just before the French Open. :retard: This corporate :bs: must end! Pick one ball and stick with it!


They only just changed to Dunlop in 06, it is a bit absurd. The other slams are much more sensible, Wimbledon hasn't changed in decades, US something similar, Aus changed in 05/06 but before that not for ages iirc.

What's really stupid is they got all the other masters, events with their own proud history, to change to the Dunlop RG ball just in 09, and more of the 500s/250s changed last year or this year. That was good, consistency is good - Slazenger make all the grass event balls, Wilson Aus Open for all the AO warmups, Wilson UO ball for a lot of the UO warmups (but not the masters!).

Now RG turns around and sells ball rights yet again. What's more, they've sold the rights to a company that's only been making balls for about 8 years, and is a bit clueless how to go about it (there's a reason only 1 other event on tour uses them).

castle007
05-24-2011, 05:45 PM
The hard courts are turning into clay courts and the clay courts are turning into hard courts.

It is the end of the world guys!

alter ego
05-24-2011, 05:48 PM
First, they took some clay off the courts and made the surface thinner and faster. Then, they didn't water the courts as much as before. Now, they change the balls. I trusted the hype about the new faster and higher bouncing balls before watching the matches, I was wrong. They crossed the line. Never in tennis history there were so many unreturnable serves at R.Garros. Karlovic and Isner giving scares to the top guys...basically they sped up RG in every possible way: surface, balls...and it has gotten ridiculous. This is not the clay we all know, this is a fraud, plain and simple. Watching R. Garros is like watching a hardcourt Slam.
Montecarlo, Barcelona and Rome carry the flag of real clay now, please don't change. RG organizers should be ashamed.

I've head a rumor that next year they're going to play RG on top of the Eiffel Tour so the altitude will make the game even faster. Poor Nadull, everybody hates him.:crying2:

Lleyton_
05-24-2011, 05:48 PM
http://www.backseatblogger.com/images/baby_crying001.jpg

Raiden
05-24-2011, 05:49 PM
^Indeed. It's hypocritical to accept one and oppose the other.

Nadaltards should stop whining.

They had welcomed the holocaust of S&V-friendly fast surfaces outside clay with open arms.

So now they have no leg to stand on and complain about RG
.

Mungo
05-24-2011, 05:49 PM
... and Hello serve and volley :)

^^OP stop whining. This is only logical (compensation for what has happend to the grass at Wimbledon since the beginning of the 2000s

Then I will whine as much as the grasscourt tards ok? This is not real clay. Period.

Orka_n
05-24-2011, 05:56 PM
Then I will whine as much as the grasscourt tards ok? This is not real clay. Period.http://www.harwoodperformance.bizland.com/1941buick/NoWhining.jpg

Courts are way too slow on tour these days. If RG speeds up, good for tennis.
One would think Rafael "MOST ADAPTABLE PLAYER EVER" Nadal would be able to play tennis even on faster clay. But maybe that's not the case.

Topspin Forehand
05-24-2011, 06:01 PM
Does this mean that those who understand his game aren't his fans? http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Lanabgd/new/9228dd3d.gif
I assumed it would help Nadal get the ball up high on his opponents and not allowing them to setup as well with quicker conditions. What I didn't anticipate as this ball refuses to allow Nadal to get under the ball. I thought it would be more like the US Open balls. Nadal actually looks quite comfortable with the US Open balls imo. But these balls are different than the US Open balls. This ball is like a rock. Perfect for flat ball hitters.

Lana87
05-24-2011, 06:01 PM
Then I will whine as much as the grasscourt tards ok? This is not real clay. Period.

This is the new "real" clay and it is the same for all. Whoever wants to be the king on this surface will have to adapt to it. Period.

shuhrat
05-24-2011, 06:03 PM
New French Balls Have a Je Ne Sais Quoi (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304520804576341380613199152.html)

As Babolats Replace Dunlops, Players Say They're Too Fast and Too Hard; a Liechtenstein Tryout

Even as the sport of tennis changed radically over the last 100 years, the balls pretty much stayed the same. At this year's French Open, however, the old Dunlops have been replaced with new balls made by Babolat and the players, a notoriously vigilant lot, have noticed.

And noticed. And then noticed some more.

Novak Djokovic, the No. 2 seed, who won his 38th-straight match of 2011 on Monday, called the balls "very, very fast" and "really difficult to control." Men's No. 3-seed Roger Federer, a 16-time Grand Slam winner, said they're "faster, indeed," especially when they're fresh. "That will be an issue," he said.

Samantha Stosur, last year's women's finalist, said that she thinks the new models are "a little bit harder."

A faster, harder ball, the thinking goes, could add a little zip to a serve or forehand, making it more difficult to return. "Maybe it's going to favor the servers and the big hitters," Djokovic said.

Mark Woodforde, the former doubles champ from Australia, peeled open a can of the new balls at a restaurant here Sunday evening. "Feel that," he said, squeezing the ball and indicating how firm it was. "They fly off the racket, and after you've played a bunch of games with them, they still don't seem to have much clay on them."

Babolat and the French Tennis Federation say the new balls have the same performance characteristics as the old ones. "The laboratory tests prove that these balls have the exact same specifications as last year," said Christophe Hayaux du Tilly, the federation's sponsorship manager. "The same speed, the same rebound, the same size, all the same."

Of the four Grand Slams, the French Open has changed ball brands the most recently. It used Dunlop before 2001, Technifibre from 2001 to 2005, and Dunlop again from 2006 to 2010. Wimbledon has stayed with Slazengers since 1902—though it did change to yellow from white in 1986—and the U.S. Open has used Wilson since the 1970s. The Australian Open also uses Wilson, since 2006. Babolat's contract with the French Open is for five years.

The change itself seems to have inspired more complaints than the physics of the new ball. The clay-court tournaments leading up to the French Open used Dunlop balls and the players would rather not have to adapt to new ones for the year's most important clay event. "That, for us, is the most frustrating part," Federer said.

Babolat, which began as a string company in 1875 and started making balls in 2001, had just a few months to design the ball. It subjected it to a barrage of lab tests and gave samples to the French federation and to players—and not just Babolat players, said Jean-Christophe Verborg, the company's international tour manager. The federation also sent each of the Top 10 players on the men's and women's tours a box of the new balls this spring. Player travel being what it is, though, it seems the balls mostly gathered dust. Stosur's box was sent to Liechtenstein, where she stayed for a bit during the European clay-court swing.

"I was only there twice; practiced one time each," Stosur said.

David Ferrer, a top-10 player from Spain who reached the finals in Monte Carlo and Barcelona, looked miffed when asked about his delivered balls.

"I didn't see them," he said.

The bulk of Babolat's player tests were conducted in Europe last fall. Players were given several unmarked balls and allowed to hit with them for as long as they liked, Verborg said. He was present for some of the tests, including Rafael Nadal's, which took place in October in Manacor, Majorca. (Both Nadal and Stosur use Babolat rackets.)

"They didn't see a difference," Verborg said. Verborg and Hayaux du Tilly suggested other factors might account for the players' perceptions. One possibility: Paris has had warm and dry weather of late, so the courts are harder, which can make them faster.

Kai Nitsche, vice president of racket sports at Dunlop, said laboratory tests can't tell you everything about a ball—especially how it feels.

"There really would have been no way to duplicate our ball unless they had our formula," Nitsche said. "The core itself, while natural rubber is the main component, has 14 additional ingredients." Nitsche politely declined to reveal the ingredients.

"We've been making balls for over 100 years," he said. "That's certainly not something we're going to give away."

The International Tennis Federation regulates tennis balls and tests them for compression, mass, size, deformation, rebound, and durability. But as Jamie Capel-Davies of the ITF's technical department explained, the ITF doesn't analyze composition.

"You don't even need traditional rubber, if you have discovered something else," he said. "Our test is a performance test rather than a materials test. We see if it looks and behaves like a tennis ball, not how you achieved it."

Hayaux du Tilly says he isn't bothered if the players say the ball is different, as long as they don't say it's defective.

"The important point is, no one said it is bad," he said. "All the players say this is a very good ball."

Ferrer agreed. "It's faster than the Dunlop, but I have no problem," he said.

Raiden
05-24-2011, 06:11 PM
The federation also sent each of the Top 10 players on the men's and women's tours a box of the new balls this spring. Player travel being what it is, though, it seems the balls mostly gathered dust.So they DID have access to the so called new Babolat balls.

It's just that they failed to be due diligent and went on concentrating on the Dunlops and whatevers that were used in the clay season prior to now.

l_mac
05-24-2011, 06:25 PM
^Indeed. It's hypocritical to accept one and oppose the other.

Nadaltards should stop whining.

They had welcomed the holocaust of S&V-friendly fast surfaces outside clay with open arms.

So now they have no leg to stand on and complain about RG
.

:lol:

shuhrat
05-24-2011, 06:30 PM
So they DID have access to the so called new Babolat balls.

It's just that they failed to be due diligent and went on concentrating on the Dunlops and whatevers that were used in the clay season prior to now.
David Ferrer, a top-10 player from Spain who reached the finals in Monte Carlo and Barcelona, looked miffed when asked about his delivered balls.

"I didn't see them," he said.
:shrug: and I wouldn't blame them for not being diligent. They were on tour and had to practice with the ball they were going to use in that/upcoming weeks. It's not like they had a bunch of free-time in their hands through that part of the season. Plus, seemingly they didn't make the decision till very late.


http://www.sport24.co.za/Tennis/FrenchOpen/Federer-slams-changed-balls-20110523

Paris - Roger Federer cruised into the French Open second round on Monday and then hit out at the decision by Roland Garros organisers to introduce new balls at the tournament.
Throughout the European claycourt swing, Dunlop balls were used but the second Grand Slam event of the season has instead opted for Babolat, which generally move faster through the air, as part of a new deal with manufacturers.

"I'm hearing a lot of conversations about the balls. It's just that they're not the same from what we've just played with for the last month," said Federer.

"And that for us is the most frustrating part, that the tournaments all changed to the Roland Garros ball after last year, (but) Roland Garros has changed their balls again.

"Now we're stuck with a different deal for all the different ATP Tour events. That is the frustrating part that we need to adjust before the French."

Britain's Andy Murray said he was unconcerned about the type of ball used but wished it was a consistent choice at the four Grand Slams.

"At the US Open they play with Wilson, and then in the hard court events in the build-up they use Penn. I think just for the players' wrists, joints, like your elbow and shoulder, it makes sense to just stick with the same ball," said Murray.

"The ball probably helps me as it is quite fast. But I would just rather we played with the same ball throughout each part of the season. During the grass, I'd rather all the tournaments were with Slazenger."

The new ball has also caused concern amongst the women players at the French Open, who fear for their physical well-being.

"A lot of the girls are coming in with shoulder issues. They say the balls are pretty hard," said Bethanie Mattek-Sands, the leading US player in Paris. [...]

abraxas21
05-24-2011, 06:41 PM
Then I will whine as much as the grasscourt tards ok? This is not real clay. Period.

the clay is the same as last year and the year before that. as for the balls, nadal himself said he liked them because they took topspin well and were high bouncing.

if anything, these conditions favour nadal. there's no point for you to complain at all.

MaxPower
05-24-2011, 06:43 PM
What I'm seeing these first days is that the new ball seems to favor players who try to go aggressive and go for winners. It's paying off to hit big, go for lines and so on. This is of course bad news for some players and great news for others. But all things considered the change of ball won't be an excuse for certain mugs failing in their game.

abraxas21
05-24-2011, 06:44 PM
This is the new "real" clay and it is the same for all. Whoever wants to be the king on this surface will have to adapt to it. Period.

theres nothing new about it. the RG organizers haven't changed the clay for this year's edition of RG. It's the same as in previous years

Lana87
05-24-2011, 06:55 PM
theres nothing new about it. the RG organizers haven't changed the clay for this year's edition of RG. It's the same as in previous years

Yeah I know, I do read a lot of articles... but when you can't reason with someone then you need another approach to make a point. Like, "ok fine, whatever you say but a big champion is not allowed to have stupid excuses like that" :-)

abraxas21
05-24-2011, 07:04 PM
Yeah I know, I do read a lot of articles... but when you can't reason with someone then you need another approach to make a point. Like, "ok fine, whatever you say but a big champion is not allowed to have stupid excuses like that" :-)

i figured

it's just that some nadaltards here insist that the clay of RG isn't real clay anymore as if it had been changed when in reality it is the same old clay in which nadal won his 5 RG titles. mugno even compared this imaginary change to the wimbledon change of the grass, which was actually a real change.

it's hilarious the extremes these tards are willing to go. although i guess making things up isn't something new for nadaltards anyhow

Jomp1
05-24-2011, 07:30 PM
"Not real clay" :spit:

Nothing wrong at all with it, clay speed is medium and the balls are fast. Defensive players can still thrive. Next.

laurie-1
05-24-2011, 08:42 PM
I don't know if this has been posted here before, interesting stuff

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-22/new-french-open-balls-by-babolat-bring-complaints-from-novak-djokovic.html

Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic and Britain’s Andy Murray are among players complaining about new tennis balls, made by Babolat, being used at this year’s event at Roland Garros in Paris.

Djokovic said the balls supplied by the French company are harder to handle because they bounce higher on the clay courts in Paris and move faster through the air than last year’s Dunlop balls, which were also used in warm-ups this year. Murray says the changes make it hard on players’ wrists and other joints. Babolat says its balls meet standards set by the French tennis federation.

“Babolat developed the balls to meet the precise requirements provided,” Annie Coghill, a spokeswoman for Babolat, said in an e-mail today. “They are the ones who determine the specs of the balls. Babolat is not aware of the 2010 ball specs, only those specs provided to us by the FFT for developing this year’s tournament ball.”

The organizers of the season’s second Grand Slam, which started today, blamed the weather for the players’ concerns. All laboratory tests found the balls are similar to ones used in previous years. What’s different is that it hasn’t rained in Paris for two months, tournament official Christophe Hayaux du Tilly said in an e-mail.

“The courts are dry and therefore there’s more speed,” he said. “That’s why, even if the balls’ specs are similar to last year, the sensation could be quite different.”
‘Very Fast’

Djokovic told a news conference shortly before the start of the event that the new balls are “very, very fast, so it’s really difficult to control. Maybe it’s going to favor the servers and the big hitters.”

David Ferrer of Spain, who advanced to the second round today by beating Finland’s Jarkko Nieminen, 6-3, 6-3, 6-1, told a news conference that the balls “have been designed, engineered for fast court players with a very good serve.”

Babolat has done “intense testing,” on the balls, “and the final product was approved by the FFT,” Coghill said.

Jelena Jankovic, who beat Ukraine’s Alona Bondarenko 6-3, 6-1 today, said the ball seems lighter, and “flies a little bit more.”

“It tends to take off and really move around. That’s the biggest difference actually,” she said. “You just have to get used to it. It’s different to the other balls which are a little bit heavier and stick to the racquet a little bit more.”

Lana87
05-24-2011, 09:13 PM
You should've posted here:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=182756
though it's probably posted a couple of times already there.

laurie-1
05-24-2011, 09:15 PM
Thanks Lana 87.

laurie-1
05-24-2011, 09:20 PM
Article from two days ago:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-22/new-french-open-balls-by-babolat-bring-complaints-from-novak-djokovic.html


Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic and Britain’s Andy Murray are among players complaining about new tennis balls, made by Babolat, being used at this year’s event at Roland Garros in Paris.

Djokovic said the balls supplied by the French company are harder to handle because they bounce higher on the clay courts in Paris and move faster through the air than last year’s Dunlop balls, which were also used in warm-ups this year. Murray says the changes make it hard on players’ wrists and other joints. Babolat says its balls meet standards set by the French tennis federation.

“Babolat developed the balls to meet the precise requirements provided,” Annie Coghill, a spokeswoman for Babolat, said in an e-mail today. “They are the ones who determine the specs of the balls. Babolat is not aware of the 2010 ball specs, only those specs provided to us by the FFT for developing this year’s tournament ball.”

The organizers of the season’s second Grand Slam, which started today, blamed the weather for the players’ concerns. All laboratory tests found the balls are similar to ones used in previous years. What’s different is that it hasn’t rained in Paris for two months, tournament official Christophe Hayaux du Tilly said in an e-mail.

“The courts are dry and therefore there’s more speed,” he said. “That’s why, even if the balls’ specs are similar to last year, the sensation could be quite different.”
‘Very Fast’

Djokovic told a news conference shortly before the start of the event that the new balls are “very, very fast, so it’s really difficult to control. Maybe it’s going to favor the servers and the big hitters.”

David Ferrer of Spain, who advanced to the second round today by beating Finland’s Jarkko Nieminen, 6-3, 6-3, 6-1, told a news conference that the balls “have been designed, engineered for fast court players with a very good serve.”

Babolat has done “intense testing,” on the balls, “and the final product was approved by the FFT,” Coghill said.

Jelena Jankovic, who beat Ukraine’s Alona Bondarenko 6-3, 6-1 today, said the ball seems lighter, and “flies a little bit more.”

“It tends to take off and really move around. That’s the biggest difference actually,” she said. “You just have to get used to it. It’s different to the other balls which are a little bit heavier and stick to the racquet a little bit more.”
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Chris Kuerten
05-24-2011, 09:20 PM
I don't understand, didn't Nadal have a big influence in this?

Why are the balls faster then, that doesn't suit his game?

GugaF1
05-24-2011, 09:22 PM
I don't know why Djokovic is complaining doesn't faster conditions favours him.

Lana87
05-24-2011, 09:36 PM
I don't know why Djokovic is complaining doesn't faster conditions favours him.

On a press conference he said that he adapted to it. He didn't seem to have much problems in his first match.
They all complain about the change when they got used to something different, not about the quality of the ball. Seems it's more of a problem for the girls who complain about injuries.

rocketassist
05-24-2011, 09:42 PM
NID Rafatards moaning about it being too fast for them. Personally clay should always be very slow, however the likes of IW and Miami should be fucking sped up first before they change the clay back.

shuhrat
05-24-2011, 09:46 PM
I don't know why Djokovic is complaining doesn't faster conditions favours him.
I don't think he was complaining about faster conditions particularly, rather stating it would help big hitters/servers, though he found it difficult to control the balls. According to Mark and some other players, this new balls tend to "fly off the racket", not stay enough to feel or control them.

l_mac
05-24-2011, 10:04 PM
NID Rafatards moaning about it being too fast for them. Personally clay should always be very slow, however the likes of IW and Miami should be fucking sped up first before they change the clay back.

:lol:

DrJules
05-24-2011, 10:31 PM
Does anybody have the ace count compared to earlier years. It seems higher this year.

Nadal plays with a Babolat racket so I assume it should work well with these balls.

Mjau!
05-24-2011, 10:33 PM
The bulk of Babolat's player tests were conducted in Europe last fall. Players were given several unmarked balls and allowed to hit with them for as long as they liked, Verborg said. He was present for some of the tests, including Rafael Nadal's, which took place in October in Manacor, Majorca. (Both Nadal and Stosur use Babolat rackets.)

See! Rafa picked this ball! :(

Mjau!
05-24-2011, 10:34 PM
Asterisk! ASTERISK!

philosophicalarf
05-24-2011, 10:35 PM
Does anybody have the ace count compared to earlier years. It seems higher this year.


Same.

Mjau!
05-24-2011, 10:35 PM
I don't understand, didn't Nadal have a big influence in this?

Why are the balls faster then, that doesn't suit his game?

Because they are higher :bounce:, duh! :rolleyes:

Topspin Forehand
05-25-2011, 04:56 AM
theres nothing new about it. the RG organizers haven't changed the clay for this year's edition of RG. It's the same as in previous years
They changed it in 2009 and haven't gone back to the original clay courts.

fast_clay
05-25-2011, 05:37 AM
:haha: mugno the funny idiot :lol:

They only just changed to Dunlop in 06, it is a bit absurd. The other slams are much more sensible, Wimbledon hasn't changed in decades, US something similar, Aus changed in 05/06 but before that not for ages iirc.

What's really stupid is they got all the other masters, events with their own proud history, to change to the Dunlop RG ball just in 09, and more of the 500s/250s changed last year or this year. That was good, consistency is good - Slazenger make all the grass event balls, Wilson Aus Open for all the AO warmups, Wilson UO ball for a lot of the UO warmups (but not the masters!).

Now RG turns around and sells ball rights yet again. What's more, they've sold the rights to a company that's only been making balls for about 8 years, and is a bit clueless how to go about it (there's a reason only 1 other event on tour uses them).

yeah... someone got a nice kickback i think...

Filo V.
05-25-2011, 11:44 AM
This tournament fucking sucks. Why the fuck would they continue to try to quicken the play on clay courts? Why tamper with a great thing? The tactical, grinding points are what made clay so special. Now it's just another surface. RG isn't interesting to me anymore, not like it was before the decided to make it a mini-hardcourt. I don't see what it accomplishes.

Li Ching Yuen
05-25-2011, 11:49 AM
This tournament fucking sucks. Why the fuck would they continue to try to quicken the play on clay courts? Why tamper with a great thing? The tactical, grinding points are what made clay so special. Now it's just another surface. RG isn't interesting to me anymore, not like it was before the decided to make it a mini-hardcourt. I don't see what it accomplishes.

So why does Miami play like mud then?

The French are fighting fire with fire.

Today is the hottest day in Paris so things will be quick.

Start da Game
05-25-2011, 01:31 PM
which sport are you watching? miami always played like mud.......10 or 15 years ago, they used to play with lighter balls and different rackets that never offered this much power.......the heavy conditions over there add to the slowness.......

blame the heavier ball and improved rackets, not the surface.......the surface hasn't changed drastically since the 90s.......

the only time in the history of the event that a serve and volleyer apart from sampras won that event was in 85 and 99.......baseliners ruled miami and that includes sampras as well.......

Filo V.
05-25-2011, 03:05 PM
Miami plays slow because of the conditions, balls and surface combination. It doesn't play slow because they are intentionally going out of their way to slow down the surface. It's just naturally a slow playing event, and always has been.

RG officials have gone out of their way to quicken the play at RG. It wasn't necessary. This isn't clay court tennis. Players no longer need to actually learn how to play clay court tennis. Hard court tennis is now the name of the game on clay. It's disgraceful and gross.

Li Ching Yuen
05-25-2011, 04:44 PM
It's just naturally a slow playing event, and always has been.



You're wrong 100% here. They make that surface as grittier as possible, they use heavy balls and etc. They resurface every year so that alone nullifies your argument.

They are in complete control of the speed of those courts.
Unlike clay, which is highly dependent on weather hard courts are easy to control.

At the AO it's the same thing, naturally that surface should be pretty fast but they use really heavy balls which slow down things a whole lot.

philosophicalarf
05-25-2011, 04:55 PM
Miami surface is a nice big 1/5 on the ITF scale. Good comparison with Cinci: same balls, both hot and humid. Yet Cinci is the quickest outdoor hard court (maybe new Tokyo surface comparable), while Miami is probably the slowest now.

Li Ching Yuen
05-25-2011, 05:03 PM
Miami surface is a nice big 1/5 on the ITF scale. Good comparison with Cinci: same balls, both hot and humid. Yet Cinci is the quickest outdoor hard court (maybe new Tokyo surface comparable), while Miami is probably the slowest now.

Which says a lot about that sandpaper of a surface.

Topspin Forehand
05-25-2011, 07:21 PM
The French Organizers are disgraceful. This tournament is a joke. Looking forward to a real tournament like Wimbledon.