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Slower Ball in Clay Season

Topspin Forehand
05-17-2011, 04:57 PM
In Monte-Carlo, Rome, and Madrid I heard they changed the balls to a slower ball. Just compare how much longer the points seemed to be compared to years past. I think Nadal and Federer were hurt by this. Djokovic is like a wall with these kind of balls. Murray also benefitted from the heavier balls imo. Nadal's backhand seems to break down. Federer doesn't seem too comfortable with it either with the exception of Madrid. Barcelona was the only clay tournament where Nadal looked like Nadal of the past. I think the 500 events use different balls and Barcelona used a quicker ball. I think the quicker balls grab spin better as well. Anyways, it will be interesting what RG balls will be playing like. If the ball isn't flying, we could see Djokovic winning it imo.

Li Ching Yuen
05-17-2011, 05:01 PM
It's pretty clear then: Berdych for the calendar slam in the next years.

Filo V.
05-17-2011, 05:06 PM
Balls at RG are said to be light and quick paced.

Slower balls/surface does help Djokovic, because obviously, it makes him even more able to outlast anyone in a rally. Quicker balls help guys who put pace on their shots, ball flies through the air more and it doesn't sit as much when it hits the court. It helps Rafa because it gives his shots more juice, and it will help guys like Soderling and Berdych, and serving in general.

sexybeast
05-17-2011, 05:09 PM
Where do you guys hear about the tennis balls?

I never get any information about it, often conflicting rumors about change of balls.

MacTheKnife
05-17-2011, 05:14 PM
I thought I saw they were playing with Dunlops in Rome. That ball used to be pretty hard and light. But I played with some yesterday for the first time in a long time and it was mushy as hell. I thought it may have been a bad can. IF they're all like that now they should not be used on clay. I can't remember what they use at RG but they usually seem pretty lively. RG is predominately conditions driven as far as surface and ball speed.

Sexybeast, I try to watch closely at ball changes. You can usually get a glimpse of the can.

philosophicalarf
05-17-2011, 05:23 PM
In Monte-Carlo, Rome, and Madrid I heard they changed the balls to a slower ball.

Same ball as last year: Dunlop Fort Clay court, which they changed to last year (to copy Roland Garros). Most of the other smaller European clay events have also moved to Dunlop, the only exceptions are Belgrade, Gstaad, Umug and Bastad.

Ironically, after everything went to copy it, Roland Garros itself has now moved to Babolat for this year's event.

Topspin Forehand
05-17-2011, 06:16 PM
Same ball as last year: Dunlop Fort Clay court, which they changed to last year (to copy Roland Garros). Most of the other smaller European clay events have also moved to Dunlop, the only exceptions are Belgrade, Gstaad, Umug and Bastad.

Ironically, after everything went to copy it, Roland Garros itself has now moved to Babolat for this year's event.
Might be the same brand but maybe they made the balls more mushy now like someone mentioned. It will be interesting how Babolat balls will be playing like. Anything different would probably be best for Rafa.

Garson007
05-17-2011, 06:19 PM
:spit: The excuses are coming in thick and fast. :haha:

Henry Chinaski
05-17-2011, 06:31 PM
The babolat balls I've played with before were like bullets. faster than dunlops anyway. little bit heavier than wilsons but pretty much just as fast.

but then I am a mug player so my recollections don't mean very much.

how are they generally regarded?

CCBH
05-17-2011, 07:01 PM
Contradictory theories. Rafa always said the lighter, smaller balls at the USO were the main reason he struggled (relatively speaking) there.

Topspin Forehand
05-17-2011, 07:20 PM
Contradictory theories. Rafa always said the lighter, smaller balls at the USO were the main reason he struggled (relatively speaking) there.
Well it looked like Rafa was really comfortable with the US Open balls last year. He mentioned something about the RG balls being slightly heavier last year and not liking it as much. Anyways I guess weight isn't the only factor. Size and firmness matter as well.

Branimir
05-17-2011, 07:36 PM
Wow... Since when slower conditions favor Djokovic???
Djokovic played like sh1t during entire USO2010 tournament. Troicki destroyed him in couple of sets and almost actually won had he played better in the 4th.
Federer almost beat him too.

This Djokovic now would humiliate Rafa on fast surface. I am saying at least 1 bagel or breadstick.

Topspin Forehand
05-17-2011, 07:43 PM
Wow... Since when slower conditions favor Djokovic???
Djokovic played like sh1t during entire USO2010 tournament. Troicki destroyed him in couple of sets and almost actually won had he played better in the 4th.
Federer almost beat him too.

This Djokovic now would humiliate Rafa on fast surface. I am saying at least 1 bagel or breadstick.
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Nadal prefers the slower (high bouncing) surfaces combined with the faster balls. This combination is deadly as Nadal can get max topspin with his shots and get some pace on the ball as well. With the slower balls, Nadal is forced to play a lot more defense as his shots tend to sit up rather than kick up allowing Djokovic to take over the point. Djokovic hits flatter and therefore can hit through the court a little easier. The heavier balls don't bother him as much. In Barcelona, Nadal was playing great tennis. His shots were penetrating and kicking up. It was like that the whole tournament. He hasn't been getting that kind of action on his shots consistently the rest of the clay court season. I blame the balls and partially the schedule he set up for himself.

philosophicalarf
05-17-2011, 09:09 PM
In Barcelona, Nadal was playing great tennis. His shots were penetrating and kicking up. It was like that the whole tournament. He hasn't been getting that kind of action on his shots consistently the rest of the clay court season. I blame the balls and partially the schedule he set up for himself.

Barcelona uses exactly the same balls as all the clay masters.

Differences are more about conditions than anything. If it's damp, the ball picks up moisture and clay, and becomes heavy - for example, in the Rome final.

philosophicalarf
05-17-2011, 09:14 PM
The babolat balls I've played with before were like bullets. faster than dunlops anyway. little bit heavier than wilsons but pretty much just as fast.


Babolat Team? That's what Brazil uses.

The Roland Garros balls are a new line named for Roland Garros, but it may be nothing more than a renaming (which is what Dunlop did). Chances are they'll want a degree of continuity with previous years.

Sham Kay
05-18-2011, 12:21 AM
At the end of the day, the man with the heaviest, toughest, most resilient, fireproof balls comes out the winner of these Tennis matches.

Tennis balls? No, unless you're fishing for excuses.

Lana87
05-18-2011, 12:49 AM
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Nadal prefers the slower (high bouncing) surfaces combined with the faster balls. This combination is deadly as Nadal can get max topspin with his shots and get some pace on the ball as well. With the slower balls, Nadal is forced to play a lot more defense as his shots tend to sit up rather than kick up allowing Djokovic to take over the point. Djokovic hits flatter and therefore can hit through the court a little easier. The heavier balls don't bother him as much. In Barcelona, Nadal was playing great tennis. His shots were penetrating and kicking up. It was like that the whole tournament. He hasn't been getting that kind of action on his shots consistently the rest of the clay court season. I blame the balls and partially the schedule he set up for himself.


So, to sum up things Nadal fans said in a couple of threads.
Rafa can win only if clay is "real" clay, the balls are of a certain type, weather is dry, hot and no wind. Also, schedule has to be adjusted to his needs and Nole shouldn't annoy him during the match! Have I missed something?http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Lanabgd/new/98eb5bea.gif

Lana87
05-18-2011, 01:43 AM
Before I go to sleep, just to make my previous post clear.
I truly respect Rafa and actually like him. My jokes are not aimed to ridicule him but people who write senseless posts.

You want him to be the GOAT and you fight with Fed's fans but on the other side you write such stupid things that actually degrade his true value (in your posts). If he is a true champion than he will adjust to all conditions, all clay types or balls. If he can't do that, then how can you claim he is the greatest ever?

Topspin Forehand
05-18-2011, 02:24 AM
Before I go to sleep, just to make my previous post clear.
I truly respect Rafa and actually like him. My jokes are not aimed to ridicule him but people who write senseless posts.

You want him to be the GOAT and you fight with Fed's fans but on the other side you write such stupid things that actually degrade his true value (in your posts). If he is a true champion than he will adjust to all conditions, all clay types or balls. If he can't do that, then how can you claim he is the greatest ever?
Yes people analyzing the matches are completely senseless. It is all about who the better player is. The conditions and surface don't matter. :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
05-18-2011, 05:19 AM
The OP already in with the excuses.

They don't use slower balls on clay and as the philo said simple when the courts are heavy then it picks up more moisture, it's not complex.

Lana87
05-18-2011, 07:06 AM
Yes people analyzing the matches are completely senseless. It is all about who the better player is. The conditions and surface don't matter. :rolleyes:

I didn't say that analyzing the matches is senseless. Don't twist my words. But in a way you are saying that Rafa isn't able to win if conditions are like this or that... and that is silly.

Imaster
05-18-2011, 10:05 AM
So, to sum up things Nadal fans said in a couple of threads.
Rafa can win only if clay is "real" clay, the balls are of a certain type, weather is dry, hot and no wind. Also, schedule has to be adjusted to his needs and Nole shouldn't annoy him during the match! Have I missed something?http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Lanabgd/new/98eb5bea.gif

He is not injured
He does not have flu
His all family members are in good terms with each other
He is not sweating too much