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The Significance of Roland Garros and Wimbledon

LiamMFC
05-17-2011, 02:24 PM
Firstly, I just want to put myself forward as the next in a line of millions of people to congratulate Djokovic on his achievements this year, and on his overall level of play. Both have been nothing short of extraordinary.

However, I just want to ask what the significance of Roland Garros and Wimbledon are for him.

Clearly, if he wins them he'll ensure he goes down as a legend of the game overnight. To go unbeaten until after Wimbledon will be something I don't think could ever be matched.

But is it the case that he has to win at least one of them? Does he go back to square one if Nadal and/or Federer emerge victorious on both occasions?

I can imagine many of the posts on here would state that if that was the case once all is said and done after Wimbledon, but it would be a valid question. After all, how much of this run is down to confidence? Or has everything just clicked seemingly overnight as it once did with Federer?

I'm undecided. Midway through this run, I'd imagine he'd really only have seen the middle two grand slams as a bonus should he win them, given Nadal's dominance. But he's proven capable of blowing Nadal out the water, with his uncanny hitting from either side. It's literally been impossible for Nadal to get him on the backfoot for more than a couple of shots, if even that, before he muscles back into the dominant role in the rallies. Yet, if he can't do that on the biggest stage of all, what will that do to him? He's yet to have been put in that position during this run, and at sometime or another he is going to be. And if it's now, when he must feel that he's surely got the best chance ever of winning, he could crumble very quickly. Or he could genuinely be a new breed of Djokovic.

Johnny Groove
05-17-2011, 02:31 PM
If he wins both, he'll be on his way to the CYGS. The Holy Grail.

Dougie
05-17-2011, 02:35 PM
He doesn´t NEED to win either one this year, he´ll get many more chances. But I´m sure he´s really hoping his next GS will be some other than AO.

hiperborejac
05-17-2011, 03:41 PM
He has momentum. If he is ever to take that double now it's the time. Fedal are in bad form (to their standards) and there's no match in mentality for him atm. The only question I think is, will he be able to pull it out physically. I don't think that he won't take both of W/RG some time in the future, but as a double pack it's now or never. And that would be the spark that will put him amongst the legends of sport and probably the only CYGS in Open Era.

Kworb
05-17-2011, 03:50 PM
He definitely needs to win at least one of them to really cement his status as the current #1. When you think of how good a top player's year was the first stat you look at is how many Slams did he win. If it's just one, then it wasn't an amazing season, 40+ win streak or not.

ballbasher101
05-17-2011, 07:22 PM
He doesn´t NEED to win either one this year, he´ll get many more chances. But I´m sure he´s really hoping his next GS will be some other than AO.

He definately needs a major outside the OZ open. He has the game to win at wimbledon which he truly wants this year. I expect him to win at least one more major this year. If he does not burn out he might just win the grandslam. He is that good this year.

Agrajag
05-17-2011, 09:34 PM
He definately needs a major outside the OZ open. He has the game to win at wimbledon which he truly wants this year. I expect him to win at least one more major this year. If he does not burn out he might just win the grandslam. He is that good this year.

Neither he nor Nadal has "the game" to win at Wimbledon. Ten years ago they would be both be R1-R3 casaulties.

In todays tennis, not many people know how to play grass court tennis, and the courts are obviously slower. When the grass dwindles away and gets even slower and higher bouncing, they can obviously stand their grand though. I would not be surprised if one (or both) of these guys finds themselves in a big hole early on.

If Nadal changes his grip on his serve again :devil: he will probably be as dangerous as earlier years. Djokovic needs a good draw, but I still don't see him beeting Nadal, Fed, Söderling and Murray. A lot of dark horses like Malisse, Llodra, Karlovic and Lopez will also be difficult IMO.

r2473
05-17-2011, 09:37 PM
I think winning RG and Wimbledon would be a strategic disadvantage.

Alex999
05-17-2011, 09:58 PM
Neither he nor Nadal has "the game" to win at Wimbledon. Ten years ago they would be both be R1-R3 casaulties.

In todays tennis, not many people know how to play grass court tennis, and the courts are obviously slower. When the grass dwindles away and gets even slower and higher bouncing, they can obviously stand their grand though. I would not be surprised if one (or both) of these guys finds themselves in a big hole early on.

If Nadal changes his grip on his serve again :devil: he will probably be as dangerous as earlier years. Djokovic needs a good draw, but I still don't see him beeting Nadal, Fed, Söderling and Murray. A lot of dark horses like Malisse, Llodra, Karlovic and Lopez will also be difficult IMO.
Excuse me. What are you smoking? Nadal won W 2 times (he was a runner up in 2007) and Nole reached 2 semis and your opinion is that they don't have "the game" to win :confused:. This is MTF at it's best... I feel suicidal when I have to read something so stupid ...PLEASE HELP ME OUT, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE :explode::explode::explode::explode::explode:

hipolymer
05-17-2011, 10:25 PM
Excuse me. What are you smoking? Nadal won W 2 times (he was a runner up in 2007) and Nole reached 2 semis and your opinion is that they don't have "the game" to win :confused:. This is MTF at it's best... I feel suicidal when I have to read something so stupid ...PLEASE HELP ME OUT, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE :explode::explode::explode::explode::explode:


I think he means that their play styles aren't suited for "traditional" Wimbledon, which is big serve and focus on volley instead of all baseline.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

DrJules
05-17-2011, 10:34 PM
He has momentum. If he is ever to take that double now it's the time. Fedal are in bad form (to their standards) and there's no match in mentality for him atm. The only question I think is, will he be able to pull it out physically. I don't think that he won't take both of W/RG some time in the future, but as a double pack it's now or never. And that would be the spark that will put him amongst the legends of sport and probably the only CYGS in Open Era.

Rod Laver 2009 in 2nd year of open era.

Alex999
05-17-2011, 10:42 PM
I think he means that their play styles aren't suited for "traditional" Wimbledon, which is big serve and focus on volley instead of all baseline.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
um, nobody is playing S&W on grass any more (they slowed down W courts long time ago), it's all baseline play nowadays - "traditional Wimbledon" is a thing of the past.

hipolymer
05-17-2011, 10:50 PM
um, nobody is playing S&W on grass any more (they slowed down W courts long time ago), it's all baseline play nowadays - "traditional Wimbledon" is a thing of the past.

That's his point...

MaxPower
05-17-2011, 11:05 PM
He should consider tanking them so he doesn't have to defend so many point...ohh wait.

Yes if Djokovic wins them he would have a shot at the most amazing season ever. But we will know this in a few months won't we? For all I know it is likely his shot at both the CYGS and going unbeaten all season will be over in 2 weeks or so. He has never been to the RG final before amazing shape or not. Rafa has also done only marginally worse season starts and then crashed and burned in some tournaments later. Also I seriously doubt he can win Wimbledon which is the slam I give the Djoker the worst odds to win. Right now many people in this forum is guilty of this:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/extrapolating.png

ballbasher101
05-17-2011, 11:11 PM
Neither he nor Nadal has "the game" to win at Wimbledon. Ten years ago they would be both be R1-R3 casaulties.

In todays tennis, not many people know how to play grass court tennis, and the courts are obviously slower. When the grass dwindles away and gets even slower and higher bouncing, they can obviously stand their grand though. I would not be surprised if one (or both) of these guys finds themselves in a big hole early on.

If Nadal changes his grip on his serve again :devil: he will probably be as dangerous as earlier years. Djokovic needs a good draw, but I still don't see him beeting Nadal, Fed, Söderling and Murray. A lot of dark horses like Malisse, Llodra, Karlovic and Lopez will also be difficult IMO.

He reached the semis last year so he can play on green clay ;). He is a better player compared to last year. He has the best return of serve on tour at the moment which is a good advantage especially on grass were its tougher to break.

Agrajag
05-17-2011, 11:29 PM
I was obviously referring to his/their playing style which is so far from a grasscourter as one can get get. I have not lived in a cave since 2006 :) If you had read the complete post before flaming me, I clearly state that if Nadal gets his serve working, he will be a major threat. Without it, he will be there for the taking.

My point was that they both have showed weakness in the earlier rounds. I would be very surprised if both of them raced to the semis without any problems if they face someone with a good grass game.

Alex999
05-17-2011, 11:39 PM
I was obviously referring to his/their playing style which is so far from a grasscourter as one can get get. I have not lived in a cave since 2006 :) If you had read the complete post before flaming me, I clearly state that if Nadal gets his serve working, he will be a major threat. Without it, he will be there for the taking.

My point was that they both have showed weakness in the earlier rounds. I would be very surprised if both of them raced to the semis without any problems if they face someone with a good grass game.
yeah, but who... who is a player with a good grass game? Federer lost to Nadal last 2 times when they played there. Although Fed is a great on grass I'm not sure he can beat Rafa on any surface any more. Roddick is history. Murray, maybe but it's very questionable. I don't know, we'll have to wait and see I guess. I don't see anybody else outside of Nadal, Djokovic, Federer of Murray winning W.

Agrajag
05-18-2011, 05:16 PM
yeah, but who... who is a player with a good grass game? Federer lost to Nadal last 2 times when they played there. Although Fed is a great on grass I'm not sure he can beat Rafa on any surface any more. Roddick is history. Murray, maybe but it's very questionable. I don't know, we'll have to wait and see I guess. I don't see anybody else outside of Nadal, Djokovic, Federer of Murray winning W.

I would say Nadal and Federer are ahead of Murray, who is slightly ahead Djokovic and Söderling as my favourites. I don't see anyone else winning myself, but I do see many dark horses who could take som of these guys out. I already said Llodra, Malisse, Lopez and Karlovic. There are still some players with a decent grass court game that can cause and upset. Fish, Roddick, Melzer, Petzschner, Mayer, Gasquet, Tsonga, Wawrinka, Dolgopolov and Baghdatis to name a bunch.

I might just be hoping here, but just top 4/5 in the semis would both surprise and annoy me.