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Seeding For Wimbledon

FerrerAndNadal
05-17-2011, 12:40 AM
I know it's pretty far off but what do you think the seeding will be in the top 10 seeds. I think Nadal will fall from number one but still be seeded 1.

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Murray
5. Berdych
6. Soderling
7. Ferrer
8. Roddick
9. Melzer
10. Monfils

Johnny Groove
05-17-2011, 12:52 AM
Surely Federer might get the 2 seed? His 09 and 10 results will weigh.

Pirata.
05-17-2011, 12:53 AM
Roger will be seeded over Novak, won't he? It's last year's results plus half of 2009.

Novak has 740 from Wimbledon + Quens from last year plus 510 for Wimbledon and Halle in 2009 = 1,250
Roger has 510 from Wimbledon and Halle in 2010 + 1,000 for winning Wimbledon in 2009 = 2,510

I think this is how the seeding works, but someone else can verify.

yesh222
05-17-2011, 12:56 AM
If Soderling defends his finalist at the French he should stay at #5. Also, I didn't run all the numbers but I assume Mardy Fish will be up at 9 or 10.

yesh222
05-17-2011, 12:59 AM
Seeding is Ranking Points+all ranking points from 2010 on grass X 2+all ranking points from 2009 on grass X 1.75.

I am not positive if Queens and Halle from 2011 count towards the 2010 numbers or if they just wait until the next year to count those. (Same with Queens and Halle from 2010, not sure if they count X 1.75 or if they don't count at all.)

Sunset of Age
05-17-2011, 01:12 AM
Surely Federer might get the 2 seed? His 09 and 10 results will weigh.

Yep, I think so, unless he messes up so badly at RG that his current #3 ranking plummets down so much that the Wimbledon Special Formula doesn't even allow him to be the 2nd seed over there anymore. Cannot see that happening at all, but if I'm wrong, please inform me. :o

yesh222
05-17-2011, 01:27 AM
Djokovic does not have such bad results from Wimbledon that Federer will get in over him. Djokovic did better last year so he has a 360-point advantage. He didn't get as far at Queens as Fed did at Halle so Fed has a 130-point advantage there. Wimbledon from 2009 gives Federer 1230 more points but Fed didn't play a tune-up so Djoker has 112 free points there. Add it all up and Federer has an advantage of 888. So Federer will need to be within 845 of Djokovic in the rankings to be #2. That cannot happen unless Federer wins the French and Djokovic loses in the quarters or earlier.

guga2120
05-17-2011, 01:49 AM
If Novak wins Roland Garros and moves to 1, he should be seeded 1 for Wimbledon.

Sunset of Age
05-17-2011, 01:54 AM
Djokovic does not have such bad results from Wimbledon that Federer will get in over him. Djokovic did better last year so he has a 360-point advantage. He didn't get as far at Queens as Fed did at Halle so Fed has a 130-point advantage there. Wimbledon from 2009 gives Federer 1230 more points but Fed didn't play a tune-up so Djoker has 112 free points there. Add it all up and Federer has an advantage of 888. So Federer will need to be within 845 of Djokovic in the rankings to be #2. That cannot happen unless Federer wins the French and Djokovic loses in the quarters or earlier.

Thanks, sounds reasonable...

If Novak wins Roland Garros and moves to 1, he should be seeded 1 for Wimbledon.

Ehm, Rafa is still the defending champ, and even if Djoko manages to capture the #1 ATP ranking, I still believe that Rafa's former results at Wimbledon will allow him to get that #1 seeding at Wimbledon. Anyways, correct me if I'm wrong, as I admit that I might well have *lost it* by now. :angel:

Silvester
05-17-2011, 02:12 AM
Yep, I think so, unless he messes up so badly at RG that his current #3 ranking plummets down so much that the Wimbledon Special Formula doesn't even allow him to be the 2nd seed over there anymore. Cannot see that happening at all, but if I'm wrong, please inform me. :o


Federer doesn't have that many points to defent at RG..

Sunset of Age
05-17-2011, 02:18 AM
Federer doesn't have that many points to defent at RG..

Semi-final... nothing to sniff at.
As 'easy' as it sounds for him to repeat that feat - on paper -, he'll still have to get it done. Just one early 'blip' (Gasquet, anyone? :angel:), and it's over for him at RG, costing him a lot of points. :shrug:

yesh222
05-17-2011, 02:25 AM
Federer will not be #2 at Wimbledon. I just showed why he won't. Nadal should also be #1 even if Djoker wins the French so long as Rafa doesn't lose in the first few rounds; don't feel like doing all the math right now.

Caralimon
05-17-2011, 02:29 AM
ATP Wim09 Wim10 Tour10 Tour11 Total
Nadal 12070 0 2000 33,75 ? 14103,75
Djokovic 11665 270 720 15 ? 12670
Federer 8390 1500 360 112,5 ? 10362,5

coolfish1103
05-17-2011, 03:01 AM
Too bad the seeding only goes to 32.

FerrerAndNadal
06-05-2011, 07:13 PM
Now that the French is over, let's move on. We know Wimbledon is different with their seeding than anyone else.

I believe the top eight seeds will be as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal (Given)
2. Roger Federer (Taking former grass achievements into account)
3. Novak Djokovic (Never made it past SF, I don't think that warrants 2)
4. Andy Murray (Given)
5. Tomas Berdych (Finalist 2010)
6. Robin Soderling (Given)
7. David Ferrer
8. Andy Roddick (3 time finalist :()

SheepleBuster
06-05-2011, 07:14 PM
Now that the French is over, let's move on. We know Wimbledon is different with their seeding than anyone else.

I believe the top eight seeds will be as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal (Given)
2. Roger Federer (Taking former grass achievements into account)
3. Novak Djokovic (Never made it past SF, I don't think that warrants 2)
4. Andy Murray (Given)
5. Tomas Berdych (Finalist 2010)
6. Robin Soderling (Given)
7. David Ferrer
8. Andy Roddick (3 time finalist :()

Nope. Novak should be #2. Roger was a quarter finalist last year barely. He should have lost to falla

syc23
06-05-2011, 07:18 PM
Didn't know that seeding at Wimbledon does not neccessarily reflect ATP ranking. Wouldn't surprised draw will be rigged so we have another Fedal final again, unless Murray can grow some balls and play to his potential and reach the final preferably against a tired Novak after an epic SF again Rafa or Fed.

FerrerAndNadal
06-05-2011, 07:18 PM
Nope. Novak should be #2. Roger was a quarter finalist last year barely. He should have lost to falla

I know I remember that match, that was back when I still saw Fed as a threat and wanted him to lose badly. Now I realize my stupidity.

But I believe given he 6/7 finals record at Wimbledon he should be rewarded with the 2nd seed. Especially because he just beat Novak

SheepleBuster
06-05-2011, 07:19 PM
I know I remember that match, that was back when I still saw Fed as a threat and wanted him to lose badly. Now I realize my stupidity.

But I believe given he 6/7 finals record at Wimbledon he should be rewarded with the 2nd seed. Especially because he just beat Novak

I think the way Roger lost to Nadal should disqualify him from Wimbledon altogether. :devil: In fact, bending over like that in that final set should be a crime with jail time warranted. You are just asking for it if you bend over, no?

MIMIC
06-05-2011, 07:20 PM
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Murray

I know I remember that match, that was back when I still saw Fed as a threat and wanted him to lose badly. Now I realize my stupidity.

But I believe given he 6/7 finals record at Wimbledon he should be rewarded with the 2nd seed. Especially because he just beat Novak

So I guess if Sampras suddenly came out of retirement, he'd be seeded 4th? :shrug:

bluefork
06-05-2011, 07:22 PM
Now that the French is over, let's move on. We know Wimbledon is different with their seeding than anyone else.

I believe the top eight seeds will be as follows:

1. Rafael Nadal (Given)
2. Roger Federer (Taking former grass achievements into account)
3. Novak Djokovic (Never made it past SF, I don't think that warrants 2)
4. Andy Murray (Given)
5. Tomas Berdych (Finalist 2010)
6. Robin Soderling (Given)
7. David Ferrer
8. Andy Roddick (3 time finalist :()

It's not like the Wimbledon seeding committee gets together and just subjectively assigns seedings to players. There's a formula they use to adjust the seedings. If you really want to know what the seedings will be you could just use the formula to do your own calculations. There might be some changes after the coming week, but you'd get an idea of where players stand.

hipolymer
06-05-2011, 07:24 PM
I know I remember that match, that was back when I still saw Fed as a threat and wanted him to lose badly. Now I realize my stupidity.

But I believe given he 6/7 finals record at Wimbledon he should be rewarded with the 2nd seed. Especially because he just beat Novak

That's not how seeding works.

Mungo
06-05-2011, 07:35 PM
Fedull will be the 3rd seed, his title in 2009 isn't enough to be ahead of Djokovic.

Cloudygirl
06-05-2011, 07:45 PM
doesn't wimbledon follow an actual seeding formula?

Saberq
06-05-2011, 07:53 PM
My god English are idiots just follow ATP rankings for seeds fools...

Cloudygirl
06-05-2011, 08:00 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A70123088

romismak
06-05-2011, 08:21 PM
No Nole will be 2nd seeded, Roger 3rd.
Nole has 12025 points, Roger has 9230 points.
here is link for last years Wimbledon - formula for seeding
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2010/06/Other/Wimbledon-Seeds-Announced.aspx
The formula is:
• Take ESP points at 14 June 2010
• Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months
• Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.
So after Halle,Queens are over, they will add these points.
The lead Nole has is too big, 100% of Rogerīs last years points ok 360 for QF at Wimbledon plus 150 Halle final, then 75% of his 2009 Wimbledon title that is 1500 points- he didnīplay any other grass torunament that year so all this this will add to Rogerīs points in ATP ranking exactly 2010 points. That is not enough - and donīt forget Nole will get too some points.. So Roger wonīt be No. 2 for Wimbledon.

Johnny Groove
06-05-2011, 08:25 PM
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer

guga2120
06-05-2011, 08:55 PM
Wimbldeon's seeding is stupid. I guess Nole will 2, as he should be.

ZaZoo)
06-05-2011, 09:07 PM
Why does it even matter, draw will be fixed so we can't have Fedal in SF as usual. :o

SheepleBuster
06-05-2011, 09:14 PM
Why does it even matter, draw will be fixed so we can't have Fedal in SF as usual. :o

If Murray, Djokovic or other players don't take the trash out before semis, that's their fault, no? In fact it is Djokovic's fault that we got to see another miserable Fedal today.

Time Violation
06-05-2011, 09:17 PM
If Murray, Djokovic or other players don't take the trash out before semis, that's their fault, no? In fact it is Djokovic's fault that we got to see another miserable Fedal today.

Sadly, yes :sad:

Speed of Light
06-05-2011, 09:25 PM
Why does it even matter, draw will be fixed so we can't have Fedal in SF as usual. :o

I hope it is - a Fedal semifinal would be really heartbreaking. I want to see the two goats battle it out in the finale.

e476
06-05-2011, 09:37 PM
But I believe given he 6/7 finals record at Wimbledon he should be rewarded with the 2nd seed. Especially because he just beat Novak
The seedings don't take into account wins from that far back. Yes, Rogie is a 6 time Wimby champion, but seedings only take into account about 2 years of results in grass tournaments. Otherwise, like someone else pointed out, Sampras could come back as 7 time Wimby Champion and be seeded third or fourth.

hipolymer
06-05-2011, 09:46 PM
I hope it is - a Fedal semifinal would be really heartbreaking. I want to see the two goats battle it out in the finale.

Are you really hoping for another Fedal match when it is clear that there is only going to be one winner?

Come on man, hope for some different matchups, some unpredictable ones.

Li Ching Yuen
06-05-2011, 10:33 PM
It's no surprise that the OP is a fan of both Ferrer and Nadal.

Benny Blanco
06-05-2011, 10:46 PM
My god English are idiots just follow ATP rankings for seeds fools...

This.

janko05
06-05-2011, 11:16 PM
We could discuss further seedings, but for the top guns they are exact as their ATP rankings

Sophocles
06-05-2011, 11:21 PM
Where's that "this thread sucks because" checklist?

This thread sucks because

[ ] it is about Wimbledon seedings.

superganon
06-05-2011, 11:37 PM
The Grass Formula currently gives the following points to be ADDED to next Monday's Rankings,
Any points earned next week will be added to this formula for the Adjusted Seedings based on Monday 13th June Ranks


Nadal 2,033.75
Djokovic 990.00
Federer 1,860.00
Murray 1,260.00
Soderling 495.00
Ferrer 247.50
Berdych 1,335.00
Monfils 90.00
Fish 407.50
Roddick 1,080.00
Melzer 247.50
Troicki 112.50
Gasquet 15.00
Wawrinka 145.00
Almagro 97.50
Simon 270.00
Youzhny 52.50
Mayer F 90.00
Tsonga 427.50
Chela 10.00
Dolgopolov 135.00
Del Potro 33.75
Nalbandian 0.00
Verdasco 145.00
Llodra 328.75
Querrey 387.50
Cilic 77.50
Raonic 0.00
Davydenko 112.50
Bellucci 90.00
Tipsarevic 193.75
Baghdatis 25.00

berdych seeded before both djoko and murray? aswell roddick seeded before mugray :P
so whats hewitts seeding :P?

SheepleBuster
06-05-2011, 11:38 PM
Does seeding on green clay really matter? :)

leng jai
06-05-2011, 11:54 PM
doesn't wimbledon follow an actual seeding formula?

Incorrect. As with Hawkeye, a 20 year old uni bum sitting in a booth decides who should be the number 1 seed for Wimbledon.

Hurley
06-06-2011, 12:19 AM
berdych seeded before both djoko and murray? aswell roddick seeded before mugray :P
so whats hewitts seeding :P?

You should really re-read the first couple of sentences of Judio's post.

LOL, did I say "re-read"? I meant "read."

Get back to us when you do.

Mjau!
06-06-2011, 12:22 AM
I hope Fedal will be in the same half this time... not another final...

SheepleBuster
06-06-2011, 12:24 AM
I hope Fedal will be in the same half this time... not another final...

Why? I hope one loses before reaching the final and meeting the other :)

Mjau!
06-06-2011, 12:31 AM
Because I don't want another "dream final", duh!

bluefork
06-06-2011, 12:49 AM
Special seedings at Wimbledon are kind of an obsolete device at this point. There are no surface specialists anymore since the surfaces have been homogenized.

ballbasher101
06-06-2011, 12:56 AM
Why does it even matter, draw will be fixed so we can't have Fedal in SF as usual. :o

Fingers crossed that Federer falls in Nadal's half please. NO MORE FEDAL FINALS PLEASE.

SheepleBuster
06-06-2011, 12:59 AM
Because I don't want another "dream final", duh!

I don't mind Fed reaching the final if Nadal is not there. So I think nadal's draw should be:

RD 1. Isner
RD 2. Karlovic
RD 3. Raonic
RD 4. Roddick
RD 5. Del Potro
RD 6. Murray
RD 7. Any one but Federer.
Now if he beats all these guys, so be it.

ballbasher101
06-06-2011, 01:02 AM
I don't mind Fed reaching the final if Nadal is not there. So I think nadal's draw should be:

RD 1. Isner
RD 2. Karlovic
RD 3. Raonic
RD 4. Roddick
RD 5. Del Potro
RD 6. Murray
RD 7. Any one but Federer.
Now if he beats all these guys, so be it.

I would love this draw for the matador. Too bad that he will get the opposite of this. It will be another cakewalk draw for him this year.

JanKowalski
06-06-2011, 01:10 AM
The Grass Formula currently gives the following points to be ADDED to next Monday's Rankings,
Any points earned next week will be added to this formula for the Adjusted Seedings based on Monday 13th June Ranks


Nadal 2,033.75
Djokovic 990.00
Federer 1,860.00
Murray 1,260.00
Soderling 495.00
Ferrer 247.50
Berdych 1,335.00
Monfils 90.00
Fish 407.50
Roddick 1,080.00
Melzer 247.50
Troicki 112.50
Gasquet 15.00
Wawrinka 145.00
Almagro 97.50
Simon 270.00
Youzhny 52.50
Mayer F 90.00
Tsonga 427.50
Chela 10.00
Dolgopolov 135.00
Del Potro 33.75
Nalbandian 0.00
Verdasco 145.00
Llodra 328.75
Querrey 387.50
Cilic 77.50
Raonic 0.00
Davydenko 112.50
Bellucci 90.00
Tipsarevic 193.75
Baghdatis 25.00

Shouldn't Fed also get 75% of his Halle 2010 points? 112.5

rocketassist
06-06-2011, 01:14 AM
Hope Djokovic gets 2 seed and Murray ends up in his half, with Roddick on the Fedal half.

delboy
06-06-2011, 03:00 AM
Because I don't want another "dream final", duh!

you know they won't be in the same half...its like the champions league with barca and man u rigged every year for another "dream final" :rolleyes:

Oh and Murray getting the easiest half also I'd say is a given..

Topspindoctor
06-06-2011, 03:09 AM
Nadal
Fed
Djoker
Mugza

FerrerAndNadal
06-06-2011, 03:47 AM
It's no surprise that the OP is a fan of both Ferrer and Nadal.

Why is that funny? I don't get it honestly?

WhiteShadow
06-15-2011, 10:50 AM
The seedings were announced at about an hour ago. And for the first time in a lot of years, Federer is not on the top 2. That means he can meet Nadal on the semi-final.

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2011-06-15/201106151308128657255.html

1 Rafael NADAL (ESP) [1]
2 Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) [2]
3 Roger FEDERER (SUI) [3]
4 Andy MURRAY (GBR) [4]
5 Robin SODERLING (SWE) [5]
6 Tomas BERDYCH (CZE) [6]
7 David FERRER (ESP) [7]
8 Andy RODDICK (USA) [8]
9 Gael MONFILS (FRA) [9]
10 Mardy FISH (USA) [10]
11 Jurgen MELZER (AUT) [11]
12 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) [12]
13 Viktor TROICKI (SRB) [13]
14 Stanislas WAWRINKA (SUI) [14]
15 Gilles SIMON (FRA) [15]
16 Nicolas ALMAGRO (ESP) [16]
17 Richard GASQUET (FRA) [17]
18 Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) [18]
19 Michael LLODRA (FRA) [19]
20 Florian MAYER (GER) [20]
21 Fernando VERDASCO (ESP) [21]
22 Alexandr DOLGOPOLOV (UKR) [22]
23 Janko TIPSAREVIC (SRB) [23]
24 Juan Martin DEL POTRO (ARG) [24]
25 Juan Ignacio CHELA (ARG) [25]
26 Guillermo GARCIA-LOPEZ (ESP) [26]
27 Marin CILIC (CRO) [27]
28 David NALBANDIAN (ARG) [28]
29 Nikolay DAVYDENKO (RUS) [29]
30 Thomaz BELLUCCI (BRA) [30]
31 Milos RAONIC (CAN) [31]
32 Marcos BAGHDATIS (CYP) [32]

Some of the most notable changes regarding the current ATP ranking are:

- Roddick goes from #10 to #8 and can only meet the top 4 on the quarter-final (pitty, it would be a very interesting 4R, had it been the other way around)

- Gasquet goes down from #13 to #17 seed (out of top 16), which does not reflect his actual potential on grass (but a formula is a formula). I will follow his draw with much interest.

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The formula used is, as was said in other topics:

- Take ESP points at 13 June 2011
- Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months
- Add 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.

Fat Camel
06-15-2011, 10:57 AM
Great for Janko to be 23! He is 30 in rankings. So no Federer this time in the 3rd round :)

Ad Wim
06-15-2011, 11:03 AM
Roddick is lucky to just scrape top 8.

Certinfy
06-15-2011, 11:04 AM
Good seedings :)

GOAT = Fed
06-15-2011, 11:10 AM
Allez Fed! Great to see that the top 4 is how the top 4 rankings should be irrespective of the 'formula'.

Gagsquet
06-15-2011, 11:19 AM
A shame to see Gasquet seeded 17th.
But brits are stupid as always.

Silver.
06-15-2011, 11:24 AM
A shame to see Gasquet seeded 17th.
But brits are stupid as always.

A bit general. I agree it's really unfair for Gasquet, is the formula to decide the rankings not the same for every slam?

xdrewitdajx
06-15-2011, 11:25 AM
^ it's based on a formula that takes into account grass-court performance. It's not like they just sat around and decided "let's make Gasquet 17th!"

Silver.
06-15-2011, 11:27 AM
Yeah I just researched it, just unlucky he was injured i guess.

xdrewitdajx
06-15-2011, 11:32 AM
sorry the ^ was meant for the post before yours, you swooped in and posted before I could see it lol

SheepleBuster
06-15-2011, 11:45 AM
How is Federer 3rd? There is a very good reason I don't put a foot in that country. I mean with these stupid decisions ... I am a big fan of Novak. But he should have been ranked #3 regardless of the stupid formula Wimbledon is using. Roger has a ton of wimbledons. Novak does not even have a final. But hey. He will maybe win it this year. Who knows.

GOAT = Fed
06-15-2011, 11:50 AM
How is Federer 3rd? There is a very good reason I don't put a foot in that country. I mean with these stupid decisions ... I am a big fan of Novak. But he should have been ranked #3 regardless of the stupid formula Wimbledon is using. Roger has a ton of wimbledons. Novak does not even have a final. But hey. He will maybe win it this year. Who knows.

Look at the current rankings:

2. Djokovic
3. Federer

Nearly all the surfaces have been homogenized anyway so it doesn't make much of a difference.

Certinfy
06-15-2011, 11:51 AM
It's good they do it this way, if they did it the same way they do with the women this would be a mess.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2011, 11:52 AM
Look at the current rankings:

2. Djokovic
3. Federer

Nearly all the surfaces have been homogenized anyway so it doesn't make much of a difference.

Oh yea? Then why Serena is 8th? Look at the rankings, no? She hasn't played for a year.

Champion number 1
06-15-2011, 11:52 AM
I think its bs that Wimbledon gets to choose its own seedings rather than using the rankings, but oh well.

Certinfy
06-15-2011, 11:54 AM
Oh yea? Then why Serena is 8th? Look at the rankings, no? She hasn't played for a year.
For the women's they can change the seedings as much as they want in order to make it more 'fair' or whatever, it's a joke. I'm happy that the men's hasn't changed that much regarding the seedings.

GOAT = Fed
06-15-2011, 11:55 AM
Oh yea? Then why Serena is 8th? Look at the rankings, no? She hasn't played for a year.

Obviously they used the formula I didn't deny that but I just said that Federer deserves his number 3 ranking and this is coming from a 'fedtard'. He didn't exactly do well there and you can't go off the past. That means that if Sampras came out of retirement you'd want him seeded 1st? After all he has 7 Wimby titles.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2011, 11:57 AM
Obviously they used the formula I didn't deny that but I just said that Federer deserves his number 3 ranking and this is coming from a 'fedtard'. He didn't exactly do well there and you can't go off the past. That means that if Sampras came out of retirement you'd want him seeded 1st? After all he has 7 Wimby titles.

Not first. Sampras did not retire as 3rd. Fed is very relevant today. Sampras was barely winning anything when he retired. He won that last Grand Slam and then just checked out.

I am not saying Fed is #2 in the world. I think he should be #2 on grass based on his results in the past few years. That's all. If Wimbledon goes by regular ranking, I wouldn't mind. But this formula sucks.

GOAT = Fed
06-15-2011, 11:59 AM
Not first. Sampras did not retire as 3rd. Fed is very relevant today. Sampras was barely winning anything when he retired. He won that last Grand Slam and then just checked out.

I am not saying Fed is #2 in the world. I think he should be #2 on grass based on his results in the past few years. That's all. If Wimbledon goes by regular ranking, I wouldn't mind. But this formula sucks.

Djokovic had better Wimbledon grass results than Federer last year. I think it's fair to say that given last years form and this current years form that Federer is ranked 3rd. It don't matter anyway since Fedz is taking the trophy BABY! :cool:

n8
06-15-2011, 12:05 PM
Some observations:

1. Roddick getting #8. Avoids top 8 before quarters.
2. Gasquet missing top 16. He's more dangerous than anyone 9-16 in my opinion. There could be a very nice 4th round match between Gasquet and Tsonga or Fish.
3. Del Potro grabbing the valuable 24th seed. There's a big difference between the 24th and 25th seed in Grand Slam draw construction. Del Potro is unproven on grass but it's still a lucky break for him.

romismak
06-15-2011, 12:06 PM
Finally is seeding announced. I wrote more than once that Djokovic will be 2nd seeded based on that formula which Wimbledon use and still so many people say how the hell is not Roger 2nd... because Nole has so many points more and last season was more succesfull at Wimby and 2009 alone for Federer is not good enough to get more points easy mathematic. About Roddick i was sure he would be 8th based on that 900 points for 2009 Wimby and Monfils didnīt have such big lead. About Raonic he is 31th, i was hoping he would stay, i was not sure how many people can overtake him, fortunaly not so many so he still is seeded and should be in 3R and then we will see which guy from 1-8 he will have for 3R.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2011, 12:09 PM
Djokovic had better Wimbledon grass results than Federer last year. I think it's fair to say that given last years form and this current years form that Federer is ranked 3rd. It don't matter anyway since Fedz is taking the trophy BABY! :cool:

So how is Roddick getting 8th. Come on. You know this formula sucks. :) It's not about Fed or Novak. If it were up to me, I would rank Rafa so he face all the big servers before the final. But we are talking about having a formula that makes sense. Oh well. Who cares. The devil, Adam. H, has been exorcised out of the tennis world. Maybe we can turn green clay back to grass in a couple of years(or use French Open balls).

romismak
06-15-2011, 12:25 PM
Oh yea? Then why Serena is 8th? Look at the rankings, no? She hasn't played for a year.

She is 8th, because they use the same formula for men and women so she has only Wimbledon in ranking 2000 points in WTA ranking, plus 100% last year Wimby next 2000 points plus 75% of her 2009 Wimby title that 1500 points so she has 5500 points together what is 8th overall when you add points also to other women. I know this is only for men tennis forum, but i must this explain, because it is ieasy mathematic and people still wonder....

yesh222
06-15-2011, 12:35 PM
Finally is seeding announced. I wrote more than once that Djokovic will be 2nd seeded based on that formula which Wimbledon use and still so many people say how the hell is not Roger 2nd... because Nole has so many points more and last season was more succesfull at Wimby and 2009 alone for Federer is not good enough to get more points easy mathematic. About Roddick i was sure he would be 8th based on that 900 points for 2009 Wimby and Monfils didnīt have such big lead. About Raonic he is 31th, i was hoping he would stay, i was not sure how many people can overtake him, fortunaly not so many so he still is seeded and should be in 3R and then we will see which guy from 1-8 he will have for 3R.

Since 2001 if you are ranked in the top 32 in the World you must be seeded at Wimbledon. The farthest Ranoic could have fallen was #32.

yesh222
06-15-2011, 12:36 PM
I think its bs that Wimbledon gets to choose its own seedings rather than using the rankings, but oh well.

Wimbledon doesn't choose its own seedings. They have a formula that they have never deviated from since it's institution in 1975 (though there have been slight changes in the formula). At one point all Slams agreed to do this with bonus points for results on their respective surfaces.

n8
06-15-2011, 12:41 PM
She is 8th, because they use the same formula for men and women so she has only Wimbledon in ranking 2000 points in WTA ranking, plus 100% last year Wimby next 2000 points plus 75% of her 2009 Wimby title that 1500 points so she has 5500 points together what is 8th overall when you add points also to other women. I know this is only for men tennis forum, but i must this explain, because it is ieasy mathematic and people still wonder....

They do not use a formula for woman. It's the good ol' board decision like the men was back in the day. They usually only move a couple of players on the women's side. Serena up to 8 (from 26) and Venus up to 24 (from 33).

Chase Visa
06-15-2011, 12:41 PM
Oh yea? Then why Serena is 8th? Look at the rankings, no? She hasn't played for a year.

The women's adjust the rankings to get a balanced draw iirc. She'd be ranked around 5th if they did it by the men's way.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2011, 12:42 PM
She is 8th, because they use the same formula for men and women so she has only Wimbledon in ranking 2000 points in WTA ranking, plus 100% last year Wimby next 2000 points plus 75% of her 2009 Wimby title that 1500 points so she has 5500 points together what is 8th overall when you add points also to other women. I know this is only for men tennis forum, but i must this explain, because it is ieasy mathematic and people still wonder....

Dude. What part of the forumula sucks didn't you get? OK. So you know 1st grade Math. Thank you very much for letting us know.

SheepleBuster
06-15-2011, 12:44 PM
The women's adjust the rankings to get a balanced draw iirc. She'd be ranked around 5th if they did it by the men's way.

Well. I would Serena in top 4. Let's face it. There are not that many folks who are actually better than Serena even if she is on her death bed. It's WTA after all. My problem is with the formula. Now I hope Novak and Federer are grouped together. I don't want another Fedal.

WhiteShadow
06-15-2011, 12:44 PM
She is 8th, because they use the same formula for men and women (...)
Out of curiosity, if you follow the link I gave in the opening post ( http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2011-06-15/201106151308128657255.html ) you can see that the formula is not used for the WTA. In fact, they just say "the seeding order follows the WTA ranking list, except where in the opinion of the Committee, a change is necessary to produce a balanced draw."

This is much more subjective than what it is done on the ATP and I am happy that in the men's case there is a formula. We may or may not agree with it, but at least it is objective, understandable and not subject to what a "committee" arbitrarily decides.

Pirata.
06-15-2011, 01:10 PM
I think its bs that Wimbledon gets to choose its own seedings rather than using the rankings, but oh well.

I think it's bs that the grass season is two weeks plus a slam, but what can you do :shrug:

romismak
06-15-2011, 01:19 PM
Out of curiosity, if you follow the link I gave in the opening post ( http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2011-06-15/201106151308128657255.html ) you can see that the formula is not used for the WTA. In fact, they just say "the seeding order follows the WTA ranking list, except where in the opinion of the Committee, a change is necessary to produce a balanced draw."

This is much more subjective than what it is done on the ATP and I am happy that in the men's case there is a formula. We may or may not agree with it, but at least it is objective, understandable and not subject to what a "committee" arbitrarily decides.

Yes i can see, my mistake i was sure that they use the same formula for both men and women- it is the same tournament. So now i can better understand why they moved Williams sisters to 8th and 24th - it is just why they are not 9th and 25th. But still i think they must something have - i mean use some numbers and calculation, why not put Serena from QF part to at least SF - make her 4th aor Venus not make 16th? but ok this is men forum. but thanks for that link- i really didnīt see that they donīt use formula for WTA players.

romismak
06-15-2011, 01:22 PM
Since 2001 if you are ranked in the top 32 in the World you must be seeded at Wimbledon. The farthest Ranoic could have fallen was #32.

Do you have any link please? because it is really weird, for eximple if someone like Roddick didnīt play half year and would be 33rd in ATP ranking before Wimby, than they donīt add any points to him? because guy from 32th place canīt be lower ranked? and that means of course unseeded.

Gagsquet
06-15-2011, 02:39 PM
17th seed is not terrible for Richie because if he draws Monfils-Fish-Tsonga or Melzer, he could avoid a top 4 player in R4. And you all know Richard could toast all these players in R3.

careergrandslam
06-15-2011, 03:04 PM
djokovic ranked number 2 is a joke. the guy is totally lost on grass.

federer should have been number 2.
heck id even put federer as number 1 and nadal at number 2.

misty1
06-15-2011, 03:07 PM
i disagree with the rankings slightly

i do agree that, even if he's not the defending champ federer should be seeded 1st and nadal 2nd

djokovic should never be ahead of federer in seeding here

MaxPower
06-15-2011, 03:10 PM
Good seedings. The most interesting thing is of course if Federer will be drawn in Nadal's half (YEEEEEEEEEES) or in Djokovic half (nooooes-anti jinx enabled) and for me personally which quarterfinal Soderling is drawn into:

Federer (no, but hey why not?)
Nadal (I wouldn't mind do much but honestly enough is enough. Can wait until SF/F)
Murray (Would be awesome. the battle of the two slamless freaks)
Djokovic (lose-lose. Take out Djokovic and take out the rafa-spanker, Novak takes out Soderling and he takes out another potential rafa-spanker)

Bring on the draw!

ImmzB
06-15-2011, 03:23 PM
Murray will be in the bottom half so he can play on Saturdy. :p

Saberq
06-15-2011, 03:50 PM
Good seedings. The most interesting thing is of course if Federer will be drawn in Nadal's half (YEEEEEEEEEES) or in Djokovic half (nooooes-anti jinx enabled) and for me personally which quarterfinal Soderling is drawn into:

Federer (no, but hey why not?)
Nadal (I wouldn't mind do much but honestly enough is enough. Can wait until SF/F)
Murray (Would be awesome. the battle of the two slamless freaks)
Djokovic (lose-lose. Take out Djokovic and take out the rafa-spanker, Novak takes out Soderling and he takes out another potential rafa-spanker)

Bring on the draw!

When will you ever learn that Soderling can not beat Rafa in a slam?He is a much worse player than he is ....And if he is playing OK he will win regardless of Soderling's level...And seeding is the way it should be....Federer is third best player....We are yet to see his results on grass as well as Novak's,Rafa tanked Q so we shall see.....

Saberq
06-15-2011, 03:52 PM
djokovic ranked number 2 is a joke. the guy is totally lost on grass.

federer should have been number 2.
heck id even put federer as number 1 and nadal at number 2.

And you my friend were crying like a little girl for 6 months because of Rafa and now you are becoming arrogant because he won FO by luck...Please be happy dont be cocky enjoy who knows he might win Wimbledon

yesh222
06-15-2011, 04:10 PM
Do you have any link please? because it is really weird, for eximple if someone like Roddick didnīt play half year and would be 33rd in ATP ranking before Wimby, than they donīt add any points to him? because guy from 32th place canīt be lower ranked? and that means of course unseeded.

The reasoning was when good clay courters would be jumped for seeds and end up having to face random good grass courters in the first round. It was a big deal 10 years ago when they went to 32 seeds. I'll look for a link though.

Corey Feldman
06-15-2011, 04:12 PM
ridiculous help for Roddick and punishment to Gasquet

and Fed should be #2

yesh222
06-15-2011, 04:16 PM
This is from back then but Wimbledon hasn't changed since.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon-change-seeding-system-673655.html

MaxPower
06-15-2011, 04:17 PM
When will you ever learn that Soderling can not beat Rafa in a slam?

Still living in denial? More than 2 years have passed and some people haven't even reached the acceptance phase yet!

Don't worry. Soderking will show mercy for your ignorance. Rafa will get no mercy

acionescu
06-15-2011, 04:28 PM
Indeed, rafa got no mercy from Sod in slams since. He got three victories instead :D

Schu
06-15-2011, 04:29 PM
Understand the formula and for most of the players it doesn't make much of a difference BUT Roddick has done pretty much nothing this whole year but gets a tremendous boost from his results from last year's grass season.

And don't get me started on Gasquet who although currently ranked ahead of ALmagro and Simon and a much better grass court player then those and several others just ahead of him gets screwed because he got injured in the middle of his first grass court tourney last year and couldn't play Wimbledon either. Morale of story - don't get injured during the 3 week long grass court season

Strange things happen in GS draws and hoepfully the proper order will be restored as play progresses through the draw and if not, guess the seeding was correct.

cutesteve22
06-15-2011, 04:29 PM
wtf? They did't give Federer 2nd seed, but give Roddick 8th seed, a pusher lose to Lu last year, Roddick doesn't deserve it, disgusting

abraxas21
06-15-2011, 04:37 PM
that formula is crap

horrible seedings

Saberq
06-15-2011, 05:27 PM
Still living in denial? More than 2 years have passed and some people haven't even reached the acceptance phase yet!

Don't worry. Soderking will show mercy for your ignorance. Rafa will get no mercy

Dude I dont like Rafa at all but in 2009 RG he was not well...Only his worst haters would say otherwise....He won by luck and injury of his opponent pure and simple....Second Soderling is a mentally weak to win a slam...What happened in RG 2010,2011,W 2010 and so on?Rafa beat him...Without mental aspect of the game Federer would have beaten Rafa every team they played....

Vlad1980
06-15-2011, 06:15 PM
Fact that Almagro is seeded higher than Gasquet is the most disgusting thing in visible Universe.

guy in sf
06-15-2011, 10:45 PM
^ it's based on a formula that takes into account grass-court performance. It's not like they just sat around and decided "let's make Gasquet 17th!"

So he's currently ranked 13th but seeded 17th on a surface that is known as his best?
That makes NO SENSE at all!
These Wimbledon officials are freaking lame!!!!!!!

guy in sf
06-15-2011, 10:47 PM
Gasquet's seeding is pissing the fuck out of me right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cloudygirl
06-15-2011, 11:02 PM
It's done on a formula which is fair enough but what I don't get is why the mens uses a formula but the womens doesn't.

Arakasi
06-15-2011, 11:05 PM
Some of the people posting in this thread must be mentally challenged. I know this place is full of trolls but at least one would hope they're sane trolls. The Wimbledon seedings are made using a forumla, the same formula that has been used for years. The seedings weren't just decided randomly. You can't "disagree" with Federer or Gasquet's seeding just like you can't "disagree" with their ranking.

No one was complaining about the formula before the seeds were announced so anyone complaining now is talking out of their arse.

WhiteShadow
06-15-2011, 11:07 PM
The problem for Gasquet are his grass points on the last two seasons (which are taken into account in Wimbledon seedings):

- In 2009 he had the cocaine scandal and 0 points in the grass season.
- In 2010 he advanced to round 3 of Queens, where he withdrew on 3rd round (was playing Schüttler) because of a back injury, which made him miss Wimbledon.

This illustrates one of the problems with the formula, since it increases exponentially the importance of grass points of a very short season. In Gasquet's case, the problem was an injury, but it could have even been other things, like a very bad draw. In any case, an average 2009 grass season would keep him in the top 16, but the "drugs affair" should be considered his fault, and he has to blame himself for that.

So, is it "fair"? Probably not. But just on subjective terms, should Fed also be seeded lower than Djokovic? There are many possible reasons (including Fed's history on Wimbledon) to try to prove that Fed should be above. And that is way I'm happy with having a formula. It is not perfect (fair from it), but it is objective. We may not agree with it, but it does not depend on subjective factors. Just imagine how would you react if the seedings were made "by hand" like in the WTA case... That would be the subject of "eternal" debates, and there would still be people talking that player X only won Wimbledon on year Y because the **** officials gave him a better seeding than he deserved...

Mungo
06-15-2011, 11:18 PM
Djokovic is the no.2 way above Fedull + he did better than Fakerer in the last Wimbledon. Fedtards whining are deluded.

Nole fan
06-15-2011, 11:38 PM
I don't know why people complain about the seedings, they are what they are. :shrug:
And it's not like it makes a difference. Federer will still fall on Djokovic's half. We all know that.

Getta
06-15-2011, 11:40 PM
allez Richie

Corey Feldman
06-15-2011, 11:44 PM
And it's not like it makes a difference. Federer will still fall on Djokovic's half. We all know that.dont be scared, i think Novak if he plays his best match ever might have a small chance this time

Mungo
06-15-2011, 11:46 PM
that formula is crap

horrible seedings

Free Wimbledon!

guy in sf
06-15-2011, 11:47 PM
It's done on a formula which is fair enough but what I don't get is why the mens uses a formula but the womens doesn't.

A formula is just a formula and therefore can be flawed without human intervention and some times you have to have some intervention to make the formula work better.
They should not punish Gasquet for his injury and especially the suspension which he was later found to be innocent of. This guy is ranked #13, there should not be any reason for him to be pushed back to #17 while others who aren't even nearly as good as him on grass jumped up from their ranking. That's just plain wrong!

Sunset of Age
06-15-2011, 11:56 PM
Some of the people posting in this thread must be mentally challenged. I know this place is full of trolls but at least one would hope they're sane trolls. The Wimbledon seedings are made using a forumla, the same formula that has been used for years. The seedings weren't just decided randomly. You can't "disagree" with Federer or Gasquet's seeding just like you can't "disagree" with their ranking.

No one was complaining about the formula before the seeds were announced so anyone complaining now is talking out of their arse.

Exactly. I don't see the problem at all.
BTW, 'sane trolls', isn't that some kind of contradictio in terminis? :D

It's done on a formula which is fair enough but what I don't get is why the mens uses a formula but the womens doesn't.

Good point. I don't get it either. :confused:

superhoops
06-16-2011, 12:17 PM
Andy's Dream Draw:

Last 16 - Almagro
Last 8 - Ferrer
Semis - Djokovic (won't make the semis anyway)
Final - Federer

n8
06-16-2011, 12:31 PM
Robredo missed out on seeding by one spot. :sad:

Garcia-Lopez moved up from 32 to 26 thanks to his Eastbourne final. Shame it doesn't make any difference for draw construction.

Andy's Dream Draw:

Last 16 - Almagro
Last 8 - Ferrer
Semis - Djokovic (won't make the semis anyway)
Final - Federer

And Davydenko in round 3. Any top 4 seed's dream draw (up to Ferrer).

GOAT = Fed
06-16-2011, 12:37 PM
Andy's Dream Draw:

Last 16 - Almagro
Last 8 - Ferrer
Semis - Djokovic (won't make the semis anyway)
Final - Federer

I think Andy would rather have Nadal on the other side than Federer. He seems to go into a mental block against Federer in Grand Slam finals and seeing that he's beaten Nadal and has the game to beat him if I was Andy I'd prefer Nadal.

Ouragan
06-16-2011, 03:26 PM
Now that most surfaces are similar (Fed and Nadal winning on all 4 of them), the need for a special seeding is obsolete. But I guess it gives us and journos something to whine about.

Game.Petzschner
06-16-2011, 03:27 PM
Andy's Dream Draw:

Last 16 - Almagro
Last 8 - Ferrer
Semis - Djokovic (won't make the semis anyway)
Final - Federer
So almagro makes the last 16 but djokovic wont make the semi's ????????
:lol: :lol:

Nole fan
06-16-2011, 10:37 PM
Andy's Dream Draw:

Last 16 - Almagro
Last 8 - Ferrer
Semis - Djokovic (won't make the semis anyway)
Final - Federer

:spit: