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Who do you think is worst match-up for Nole?

romismak
05-16-2011, 06:49 PM
I donīt want to make another of million stupid thtreads about Nole, but right now he is playing unbelievable level of tennis, but there are some players which style is just the one that must beat this guy. Iīve been looking on H2H Djokovic against top 20 players and i found interesting he has negative H2H against Roddick or Tsonga, guys that main weapon is serve- but Nole with his ROS should eliminate that..., he has positive H2H against most of players in top 20. So who do you think at his best level of tennis can take down this Nole ? Or at his best has big chance to win.

Time Violation
05-16-2011, 06:51 PM
I'd go with Murray for now :)

finishingmove
05-16-2011, 06:52 PM
Verdasco - Real Tennis

Vida
05-16-2011, 06:54 PM
I'd go with Murray for now :)

the other way. nole is worst matchup for murray :scared:

CCBH
05-16-2011, 06:57 PM
The first person he loses to.

Sapeod
05-16-2011, 06:57 PM
Murray. Murray's variety and offensive depth and amazing defense can really leave Djokovic clueless at times. He was at Andy's mercy in Rome, but Andy messed it up.

Gagsquet
05-16-2011, 06:57 PM
You forgot Gasquet. What a fucking stupid omission.

Time Violation
05-16-2011, 06:57 PM
the other way. nole is worst matchup for murray :scared:

Yes and no. Even Young can be a bad matchup for Andy on off day, but if he gets his shit together, he would be much more dangerous than any of the top 10 at the moment :)

r2473
05-16-2011, 07:01 PM
Gluten

Sapeod
05-16-2011, 07:02 PM
Murray is pretty much a bad match-up for every single player out there when he's in form. Federer and Nadal have problems beating him just as much as Djokovic does.

romismak
05-16-2011, 07:03 PM
You forgot Gasquet. What a fucking stupid omission.

I donīt give him here, because H2H is 4:1 for Nole and canīt imagine Gasquet beat him,his game is very nice but i donīt see his forehand to be any danger or even his great 1-handed beckhand go toe-to-toe with Noleīs 2-handed beckhand.

MIMIC
05-16-2011, 07:07 PM
Murray. Outside of slams of course. The bigger the occasion, the less likely he will win.

freeandlonely
05-16-2011, 07:08 PM
Murray is pretty much a bad match-up for every single player out there when he's in form. Federer and Nadal have problems beating him just as much as Djokovic does.

Don't like him, but have to agree.

MayerFan
05-16-2011, 07:08 PM
Murray. Murray's variety and offensive depth and amazing defense can really leave Djokovic clueless at times. He was at Andy's mercy in Rome, but Andy messed it up.

Yeah, of course. We saw exactly how much Murray bothers Djokovic in Melbourne.

Vida
05-16-2011, 07:08 PM
I voted 'other'.

MayerFan
05-16-2011, 07:11 PM
I'd say Federer and Roddick.

freeandlonely
05-16-2011, 07:12 PM
Yeah, of course. We saw exactly how much Murray bothers Djokovic in Melbourne.

If you count game-wise only, then it's true Murray can bother anyone.:shrug:

Gagsquet
05-16-2011, 07:14 PM
I donīt give him here, because H2H is 4:1 for Nole and canīt imagine Gasquet beat him,his game is very nice but i donīt see his forehand to be any danger or even his great 1-handed beckhand go toe-to-toe with Noleīs 2-handed beckhand.

Can't wait for the grass. Gasquet will make confetti of this Serbian. :drool:

ballbasher101
05-16-2011, 07:14 PM
At the moment he can beat anyone to be honest unless he underestimates someone like Ferrer or Soderling.

vn01
05-16-2011, 07:15 PM
murray

Seingeist
05-16-2011, 07:19 PM
Federer. He's on the decline now, of course, but his aggressive, flawlessly-executed all-court game could really give Novak fits when it was firing on all cylinders.

Sapeod
05-16-2011, 07:21 PM
Yeah, of course. We saw exactly how much Murray bothers Djokovic in Melbourne.
You can't use one match (which was terrible btw) to disprove my post, because that's :bs: :stupid: Murray can bother anyone at anytime, anywhere on any aurface when he's in form :bigwave: He can also beat anyone anywhere at his peak :bigwave:

MIMIC
05-16-2011, 07:23 PM
You can't use one match (which was terrible btw) to disprove my post, because that's :bs: :stupid: Murray can bother anyone at anytime, anywhere on any aurface when he's in form :bigwave: He can also beat anyone anywhere at his peak :bigwave:

Nice use of Fed/Nadaltard logic: can only lose when playing badly :haha:

Sapeod
05-16-2011, 07:30 PM
Nice use of Fed/Nadaltard logic: can only lose when playing badly :haha:
Did I say that? He played badly at the Australian Open final everyone knows that :bigwave: :stupid: When he's in form, he can trouble anyone and win, when he's at his peak he can beat anyone on any surface.

MayerFan
05-16-2011, 07:35 PM
If you count game-wise only, then it's true Murray can bother anyone.:shrug:

I agree, if you consider his attitude and demeanour.

MayerFan
05-16-2011, 07:38 PM
You can't use one match (which was terrible btw) to disprove my post, because that's :bs: :stupid: Murray can bother anyone at anytime, anywhere on any aurface when he's in form :bigwave: He can also beat anyone anywhere at his peak :bigwave:

Of course I can.

One match, a match that actually happened, is way more relevant than your speculative reasoning (bordering on an excuse).

Murray can bother anyone, that's true - mostly the spectators.

Johnny Groove
05-16-2011, 07:39 PM
Roddick.

Ultravox
05-16-2011, 07:39 PM
Did I say that? He played badly at the Australian Open final everyone knows that :bigwave: :stupid: When he's in form, he can trouble anyone and win, when he's at his peak he can beat anyone on any surface.

Well that's great.
The only problem is that Andy reaches his peak every twelfth Thursday between 10 pm and 12 pm:devil:

Topspin Forehand
05-16-2011, 07:41 PM
Rafa.

Vida
05-16-2011, 07:41 PM
Did I say that? He played badly at the Australian Open final everyone knows that :bigwave: :stupid: When he's in form, he can trouble anyone and win, when he's at his peak he can beat anyone on any surface.

that wont do. anybody can beat anybody when at their 'peak'.

Nadull_tard
05-16-2011, 07:45 PM
Pizza.

tektonac
05-16-2011, 07:53 PM
Novak should've blown pusher Murray off the court in 2. Given the number of matches Novak played gave the pusher look at upsetting Nole. Even in that optimal scenario Murray choked like a little girl.

romismak
05-16-2011, 08:09 PM
Yes i also think Murray can be the candidate to beat him- i would say it is similar what Nole did to Rafa, the same go with Murray- if he manage to play his best - 1 month at least- or just get on new level like Nole did - he can do the same to Nole like he did to Rafa- i mean great defense, stamina, long rallies, minimum UE and so on. And again Murray can do that same to Rafa- he can copy Nole style of play against Rafa. But do you know how is possible Roddick and Tsonga have such good H2H with Nole? I can now remember only well on AO with Tsonga and one HC match with Roddick where he won, how the hell those 2 beat him so many times in past?

MaxPower
05-16-2011, 08:18 PM
Hmm considering the goldfish memory around here who can possibly win the poll? :)
In reality I think power-hitters bothers him more. I think Djokovic always feels like he has the matches against more defensive minded players in his own hands (with his current endurance)

Murray can however have a good serve when it's on and that's another component that bothers Djokovic. He is a very good returner that he can exploit to no end vs weak serves, especially bad 2nd serves

Power/accuracy in the serve and power and depth from the baseline and the player is a bad match-up. Doesn't mean the player wins :cool:

tests
05-16-2011, 09:07 PM
Marat Safin (lol..)

I think federer when he is "on" troubles djokovic greatly.

Roddick used to trouble him... but duck is finished and novaks on a whole new level.

MIMIC
05-16-2011, 09:16 PM
Of course I can.

One match, a match that actually happened, is way more relevant than your speculative reasoning (bordering on an excuse).

Murray can bother anyone, that's true - mostly the spectators.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Mechlan
05-16-2011, 09:17 PM
Federer more than anyone. In his prime, excellent consistency and just way more potency off the ground.

RoyBatty
05-16-2011, 09:23 PM
Karlovic

zcess81
05-16-2011, 09:32 PM
Can't wait for the grass. Gasquet will make confetti of this Serbian. :drool:

Since when is Gasquet a grass expert? Wimbledon semi and so what? Nole's achievements on grass surpass those of Gasquet by some margin.

yesh222
05-16-2011, 09:34 PM
Right now I would say either Raonic, Karlovic, or maybe Isner if he gets his act together. No one will beat Nole from the baseline. Maybe someone with power who can hold his own service games and force tiebreaks has a chance.

zcess81
05-16-2011, 09:36 PM
You can't use one match (which was terrible btw) to disprove my post, because that's :bs: :stupid: Murray can bother anyone at anytime, anywhere on any aurface when he's in form :bigwave: He can also beat anyone anywhere at his peak :bigwave:

But it's not just 1 match...their H2H is 6:3 in Nole's favor. Nole's given Murray a few bread sticks and bagels in that time...Murray's never handed Nole a bagel...breadstick only ONCE, in their 1st encounter in 2006. Nole trashed Murray a few times (6-2, 6-3 in IW, 6-1, 6-0 in Miami, 6-0, 6-4 in Monaco and this year in AO; talk about bad matchup!) ...Murray never trashed Nole. He beat him in straights 3 times but it was always close, with tie break each time in at least 1 set.

Sham Kay
05-16-2011, 09:46 PM
Novak should've blown pusher Murray off the court in 2. Given the number of matches Novak played gave the pusher look at upsetting Nole. Even in that optimal scenario Murray choked like a little girl.
Get the fish outta your stockings and chill the feck out man, it wasn't the optimal scenario, it was a clay court match, which was incredibly well fought and close.

You guys need to calm it down with the hate just to annoy one Murray fan, the fact is, you're letting him win by getting so visibly annoyed :confused:

I'll go for anyone serving well.

Poirot123
05-16-2011, 09:46 PM
Obviously Nadal's game no longer brings problems for Djokovitch. Despite Nadal leading the Head to head 16-11, Djokovitch has a 7-2 record in the last 9 meetings, suggesting a very obvious turning of the tide.

I actually think it'll be Federer who eventually takes Djokovitch down. If he steps it up and stays consistent, on a surface which isn't too slow, then it'll be very very close.

Gagsquet
05-16-2011, 09:56 PM
Who is the worst match-up for Nole? Title of the thread

Gasquet has to be in the list.
Tsonga, Verdasco, Youzhny, Roddick are in the pool.
Gasquet is better than all of them at the moment!
Insane to neglect him

Sham Kay
05-16-2011, 09:58 PM
Who is the worst match-up for Nole? Title of the thread

Gasquet has to be in the list.
Tsonga, Verdasco, Youzhny, Roddick are in the pool.
Gasquet is better than all of them at the moment!
Insane to neglect him
Argh.. alright, alright I'll be the one to say it: Gasquet! God save the French Queen for he shall slay the mighty Jester.

zcess81
05-16-2011, 10:00 PM
Who is the worst match-up for Nole? Title of the thread

Gasquet has to be in the list.
Tsonga, Verdasco, Youzhny, Roddick are in the pool.
Gasquet is better than all of them at the moment!
Insane to neglect him

Their H2H is 4:1 in Novak's favor. Why is Gasquet bad match up exactly?

Mungo
05-16-2011, 10:03 PM
Nadal is the worst matchup for him, 16-11. Of course Djokovic is beating everyone now so nobody is a bad matchup for him the way he's playing. But at their average level, Nadal is the worst matchup for him. No doubt.

zcess81
05-16-2011, 10:05 PM
Honestly? Things are not different than they were 1 year ago...Bad match ups for Nole are Fed (on fast surfaces) and Nadal when they play well. Roddick can be a bad match up as well when he's serving well, cause he doesn't give you much rhythm. He puts pressure on you very quickly as he finishes his games in like 4 easy strokes.

Gagsquet
05-16-2011, 10:07 PM
Their H2H is 4:1 in Novak's favor. Why is Gasquet bad match up exactly?

The new Gasquet could stop Novak on grass. He could.
Forget H2H. Bullshit.
If you believe in H2H, Rafa would have stopped the serbian in Madrid.

Poirot123
05-16-2011, 10:07 PM
Nadal is the worst matchup for him, 16-11. Of course Djokovic is beating everyone now so nobody is a bad matchup for him the way he's playing. But at their average level, Nadal is the worst matchup for him. No doubt.

Mungo, thier last 9 meetings, it's 7-2 to Djokovitch. I think he's slayed the Nadal beast.

Federer's head to head with djokovitch is 13-9, and it's 4-4 in their last 8 meetings, all within the last 12 months. A much closer contest.

bokehlicious
05-16-2011, 10:08 PM
When Federer doesn't turn into federror...

Brick Top
05-16-2011, 10:09 PM
The one and only - Andy Roddick

romismak
05-16-2011, 10:09 PM
Right now I would say either Raonic, Karlovic, or maybe Isner if he gets his act together. No one will beat Nole from the baseline. Maybe someone with power who can hold his own service games and force tiebreaks has a chance.

I agree that from the baseline no one can beat him now, someone as Murray or Rafa at their best can go even with him, but about servers like Ivo, John or Milos - donīt see them to beat him even at their best, because Nole has best ROS in the world, and their 2nd serve he will hande, Ivoīs for sure and Raonic and Isner have good 2nd serve but still in rallies he is superior to those guys so if it goes to multiple TB Nole should win i think.

romismak
05-16-2011, 10:12 PM
Who is the worst match-up for Nole? Title of the thread

Gasquet has to be in the list.
Tsonga, Verdasco, Youzhny, Roddick are in the pool.
Gasquet is better than all of them at the moment!
Insane to neglect him

They are all in the poll, because have much better H2H than Gasquet, i wrote there i was comparing Nole to top 20, maybe Verdasco and Youzhny shouldnīt be there but also i didnīt include Davydenko and i was thinking about him - i was talking also about their best who has chance with Nole.

Puschkin
05-16-2011, 10:13 PM
Murray. Murray's variety and offensive depth
:haha:

misty1
05-16-2011, 10:13 PM
when they are both playing they're best tennis roddick and murray are the worst match ups for him

zcess81
05-16-2011, 10:14 PM
The new Gasquet could stop Novak on grass. He could.
Forget H2H. Bullshit.
If you believe in H2H, Rafa would have stopped the serbian in Madrid.

Any player COULD beat any player on any given day, but when asking who is Nole's worst match up you can ONLY look at past H2H/results. If you just look at latest matches then you could say that Gasquet is bad match up for Fed cause he beat him in Rome, when CLEARLY Fed matches up EXTREMELY WELL with Gasquet. It takes more than 1 meeting to determine bad match ups. New Gasquet COULD be the worst match up for Nole or he he'll keep losing again, like before...until they meet again few more times you're just ASSUMING that he is, but until then Gasquet is clearly NOT a bad match up for Nole.

PS: Didn't Nole trash this "new" Gasquet 2.0 in IW this year?

Grass isn't what it used to be, it's much slower. I mean Nole's been in 2 Wimbledon semis and Queens final, so it's not like he's useless on grass, even though it is clearly his worst surface.

LawrenceOfTennis
05-16-2011, 10:18 PM
At the moment he is in Tandil and probably relaxing on a couch.

Gagsquet
05-16-2011, 10:19 PM
Ok if you just look at the H2H to determine who is a bad match-up, I can't help you anymore. Sorry

Sham Kay
05-16-2011, 10:21 PM
Nole's worst match up may well be playing in some Junior event somewhere... biding his time. Waiting.

Puschkin
05-16-2011, 10:24 PM
Llodra in his 2010 Bercy form and on that surface or similar ones.

zcess81
05-16-2011, 10:26 PM
Ok if you just look at the H2H to determine who is a bad match-up, I can't help you anymore. Sorry

What else can you look at? Gasquets current form tells us NOTHING about how he matches up with Nole cause they haven't played since Nole beat him in IW this year. You're just making assumptions...and your assumptions are based on nothing. You might as well get a player from top 200 who's NEVER played with Nole and assume that he'll be a bad match up for him.

SerialKillerToBe
05-16-2011, 10:30 PM
Can't believe people are saying Roddick when he can't even get past first round these last few tournaments. I know it's clay, but still.

Gagsquet
05-16-2011, 10:31 PM
Current form is a better indicator by far in my opinion. But I understand you use H2H but it's not enough for me.

zcess81
05-16-2011, 10:33 PM
Current form is a better indicator by far in my opinion. But I understand you use H2H but it's not enough for me.

How can it be best indicator if they haven't played yet? This new Gasquet NEVER played Nole so how can you make such statement? Weather you like it or not Gasquet's current form tells us NOTHING about how he'll match up with Nole. That's the whole POINT of match ups. A player can be in BEST EVER FORM ans STILL LOSE to a player lower ranked than him because he's a bad match up for him. That's why you have to look at H2H and past meetings. Remember when Fed was in JESUS mode, beating everyone in sight but always struggled against Nalbandian or Rafa? Bad match ups. Fed played like Jesus against 99.9% of players and still lost to Nalbandian/Nadal quite a few times.

Gagsquet
05-16-2011, 10:47 PM
It all depends if you're talking about the worst match-up RIGHT NOW or just in general. Right now, current form is a better indicator. In general, H2H is ok.
For instance, worst match-up for Rafa right now is Djoko
But in general, Davy seems a worse match-up for him

r2473
05-16-2011, 10:52 PM
Who do you think is worst match-up for Nole?

I heard he hates to be matched up with fat chicks.

Nole fan
05-16-2011, 11:04 PM
Federer. He's on the decline now, of course, but his aggressive, flawlessly-executed all-court game could really give Novak fits when it was firing on all cylinders.

This. Though not anymore.

Fabilicious
05-16-2011, 11:12 PM
Haasi on grass for sure! He'll end Nole's streak at Wimbledon!

Luinir
05-16-2011, 11:22 PM
murray on hard. surely i don't mean that shit murray in 2011 aussie final.

MayerFan
05-16-2011, 11:25 PM
I'd say Djokovic struggles against big servers. I remember how hard it was for him to beat Tsonga in Melbourne. If it weren't for Tsonga's mental lapse post second set, that match would've been much tougher.

syc23
05-16-2011, 11:29 PM
Delpo (in USO '09 full attack mode) would be a bad match up for Nole. He played like an absolute beast - he destroyed Rafa like no else has before or since, not even Djokovic in current form. It's a pity he can't stay healthy.

moon language
05-16-2011, 11:39 PM
Delpo (in USO '09 full attack mode) would be a bad match up for Nole. He played like an absolute beast - he destroyed Rafa like no else has before or since, not even Djokovic in current form. It's a pity he can't stay healthy.

Youzhny the baker would like to have a word with you (6-0 6-1 over Nadal in Chennai).

NikolaBGD
05-16-2011, 11:45 PM
Roger Federer on a good day, Roddick on a good serve day, Murray in passive consistent mode, Tsonga troubled him in the past... Nole v2.0 has no real opponent, but it wont last forever. However, he will never return on his 2010 form and mindset, if he staying injury free.

Fed is my pick.

misty1
05-16-2011, 11:54 PM
Can't believe people are saying Roddick when he can't even get past first round these last few tournaments. I know it's clay, but still.

when he's serving well he is a pretty bad match for him

cakedraw
05-17-2011, 12:34 AM
Not injured Nadal

Vida
05-17-2011, 12:49 AM
if those are big servers they would have to be multi slam winners, cause if they have been having the better of novaks return (which is best in the world btw), whey would be beating everybody else. and none of those are around-

its freakish to think novak cant be beat other than by effort, be it man or a machine.

worst - I reckon its federer, his serve+forehand combination there is no much defence, no matter how good it is.
today though, demented fed couldnt stand a chance.

looking into history... peak vs peak we cant say how would prime-feds confidence - and thus the serve, stand against nole the destroyer of today. esp given this nole > fed 10x in mental department. also his no weakness 'approach', coupled with stubordness and spite, can shake even the unshakable - and fed's is quite shakable. fast surface clashes would probably go to fed.

murray, he will be around, cause he is good enough to play slam finals. question is if ever he will mature like a slam winner, and how important will be the percentages. they arent in his favor, at least looking vs djokovic.

rafa, sadly, djoker is pigeonising him in a ruthless and systematic manner. what to do, asks nadal?

anyway looks like a great summer for 'tennis lovers' ;)

SerialKillerToBe
05-17-2011, 12:56 AM
The scary thing about this "prime Fed vs. prime Nole" concept is that Djokovic might not even be at his peak yet...

:eek:

One thing for sure is that prime Fed would have a lot of trouble beating this Djokovic. Previously, he relied on Nole making stupid errors from his forehand side, but that has decreased quite substantially.

rocketassist
05-17-2011, 01:00 AM
Peak Fed made him into a little bitch.

Now? Murray when playing well competes with him. Backhand wise they go toe to toe. The difference is Nole's hugely superior forehand wing.

Farenhajt
05-17-2011, 01:03 AM
ATM, it seems to be Murray. Mostly because of (1) Murray's "randomness" (no telling what edition of Murray will appear across you on any given day), (2) the relative scarcity of their matches, so Nole didn't have a proper chance to focus on developing permanent anti-Murray-cillin, unlike Fedal, where he had a host of matches so far and knows both of them inside out.

But after he's finished dealing with Fedal, he'll have to turn some attention to Murray and possibly Del Potty.

NikolaBGD
05-17-2011, 01:15 AM
Peak Fed made him into a little bitch.

Now? Murray when playing well competes with him. Backhand wise they go toe to toe. The difference is Nole's hugely superior forehand wing.

Like in Montreal 2007:devil:

asmazif
05-17-2011, 01:19 AM
Ollie

Satasonic
05-17-2011, 01:19 AM
This might sound like a joke to some, but Karlovic will bury him on a good serve day.

leng jai
05-17-2011, 01:39 AM
Murray is pretty much a bad match-up for every single player out there when he's in form. Federer and Nadal have problems beating him just as much as Djokovic does.

Pretty much any top 5 player in form is a bad match up for everyone...

romismak
05-17-2011, 03:00 AM
This might sound like a joke to some, but Karlovic will bury him on a good serve day.

Yes Karlovic on good serve day can beat anyone, but until he wonīt have 90% 1st serve in i still would say he will loose in multiple TB, his 2nd serve will Nole handle.

thrust
05-17-2011, 04:40 AM
Don't like him, but have to agree.

I agree, though I am beginning to like him. At his best Murray is a great all-court player. He just needs to calm down a bit in tight situations.

ssin
05-17-2011, 08:13 AM
Tsonga version AO 2008. (powerful serve and strokes, versatility, control of pace, all-out attacking game with good mixing up - remember the match Tsonga-Nadal AO2008) But in addition to that it takes a good amount of patience and tactics to beat this new Nole, like in chess. ;)

chalkdust
05-17-2011, 09:06 AM
Noone is a bad match-up. Of course there are good players who can beat him, and there are big servers who can beat him, but these guys can equally beat anybody, so they are not specifically bad match-ups for Djokovic, at least not Djokovic 2011.

Arguably Roddick used to be a bad match-up for the less mature version of Djokovic, but I didn't really see their matches so I am just basing it on actual results rather than any assessment of playing style. Also, Nole's stamina used to be an issue, so relentless baseliners maybe used to be bad match-ups, but not any more.

Prime Fed would obviously have beaten him more than anyone else in his prime, but that is because prime Fed was in general a formidable player and his forehand was such a good weapon. Nole actually would have better chances than most in such a match. Likewise, prime Delpo might blow him off the court.

On grass, there could conceivably be bad match-ups, i.e. ignoring that Djokovic is actually not yet great on this surface, but probably only on fast grass, not recent Wimbledon grass.

RoyBatty
05-17-2011, 09:08 AM
Sexy Step is worst nightmare 4 him.

dombrfc
05-17-2011, 09:51 AM
GOATerer

Time Violation
05-17-2011, 10:27 AM
Pretty much any top 5 player in form is a bad match up for everyone...

Probably any top 10 if not top 20 when (really) in form :)

Myrre
05-17-2011, 11:13 AM
On fast surfaces anyone with a big serve and aggressive baseline game (takes away Novak's time) who can come into the net when necessary = Federer, Del Potro, Søderling (if he could learn to volley).

Myrre
05-17-2011, 11:19 AM
Pretty much any top 5 player in form is a bad match up for everyone...

That's not an answer to the question. The question is who is the worst match-up, i.e who is best to utilise own strengths to get Novak out of his comfort zone.

zerocool_
05-17-2011, 12:45 PM
Peak Fed made him into a little bitch.

Now? Murray when playing well competes with him. Backhand wise they go toe to toe. The difference is Nole's hugely superior forehand wing.

Well don't think that peak Nole would be little bitch like you said, ofc, Fed would have advantage and winning h2h, but that wouldn't be complete ownage..
I agree about Murray, he need to improve fh and 2nd serve, and to start playing little more agressive..
And question for Danger Ehren, do you still think that Murray have better forehand then Djokovic?

janko05
05-17-2011, 03:05 PM
The scary thing about this "prime Fed vs. prime Nole" concept is that Djokovic might not even be at his peak yet...

:eek:

One thing for sure is that prime Fed would have a lot of trouble beating this Djokovic. Previously, he relied on Nole making stupid errors from his forehand side, but that has decreased quite substantially.

I agree,we saw prime Fed but prime Nole could yet to be seen.

hiperborejac
05-17-2011, 03:17 PM
Murray after swearing when point lost and cm'on when point won

Vida
05-17-2011, 04:41 PM
good article (http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2011/05/16/the-dominant-djokovic-streak/?mod=WSJBlog&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Fdailyfix%2Ffeed+%28WSJ. com%3A+The+Daily+Fix%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher) about novaks streak, comparing it to feds streaks of 35 wins in 2005 and 41 wins in 2006/07.

djoker has it much harder objectively, while he is being a bit more dominant.

romismak
05-17-2011, 05:26 PM
good article (http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2011/05/16/the-dominant-djokovic-streak/?mod=WSJBlog&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Fdailyfix%2Ffeed+%28WSJ. com%3A+The+Daily+Fix%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher) about novaks streak, comparing it to feds streaks of 35 wins in 2005 and 41 wins in 2006/07.

djoker has it much harder objectively, while he is being a bit more dominant.

Really interresting article, i was sure that Noleīs streak is unique in term of beating top 5 or top 3, but i donīt know about statistics of winning sets and games and bagels.
By the way that Villas streak is certainly longest one but, definetely Noleīs streak is already maybe better, because of that tough competition and tournaments he won - he is not winning 250, or 500 level events he is winning the biggest tournaments in the world with best competition out there.

Azurebi
05-17-2011, 05:40 PM
Murray can be better and prime in future. Prime Murray (if it happens) will be very tough match-up for Nole or Prime Nole.

luie
05-17-2011, 06:14 PM
Marat Safin.
Fed on fast low bouncing surface.

zlaja777
05-17-2011, 06:16 PM
Marat Safin.
Fed on fast low bouncing surface.

Spot on.

sexybeast
05-17-2011, 06:19 PM
Old Federer on indoor/grass/Cincy is a more difficult matchup for Djokovic than Rafa on clay, so he definetly is a difficult matchup for Djokovic.

MacTheKnife
05-17-2011, 06:20 PM
When he does finally drop a match, I'm betting it will be to someone that we least expect it. Someone will catch him napping, someone he should destroy.

In 84 when Mac was on his run of 82-3 his first loss was to Lendl, then he lost to Amritraj and Henrik Sundstrom, both who totally caught him napping.

stewietennis
05-18-2011, 04:01 AM
Ivo Karlovic having a good day, playing on a fast surface is a nightmare match up for anyone

ApproachShot
05-18-2011, 04:57 AM
I would have said Nadal on clay, but on the basis of their past two encounters I'm not so sure. I'd like to see him play either Nadal, Federer or Murray on grass though - I think they could potentially be tough with the lower, more uneven bounce.

Filo V.
05-18-2011, 04:58 AM
Federer when on.

Filo V.
05-18-2011, 05:00 AM
Guys who can grind excessively like Ferrer, Roddick, Murray also give Nole tougher matches since they can do what he does, and take away that advantage of his game to a certain extent. They put him in the position where he's the dictator, when he's more of a counter-puncher/thinking man offensive player first and foremost than an all-out attacking one.

wee
05-18-2011, 06:00 AM
Murray

Azurebi
05-18-2011, 12:16 PM
Don't forget Juan! When Del Potro healed and back in form, he will start beating anybody..perhaps.

NJ88
05-18-2011, 12:37 PM
I'd say Murray at the moment. He's come closest of anyone to beat him this year. He's also not someone who is expected to win, therefore he has nothing to lose. When he's playing his best, he can beat anyone.

Commander Data
05-18-2011, 01:01 PM
Nole vs his own eyeballs.

Cost him a couple titles already.

mystic ice cube
05-18-2011, 01:13 PM
It's difficult to explain at the moment. Djokovic's defense is incredible right now, even better than Rafa's. Murray has shown signs, and would be a great contender for being the first to slay the Serb.

But I think the only player who I would have confidence in saying that he would beat Djokovic currently would be a Del Potro at the US Open. He ate Nadal's game for breakfast then.

Sham Kay
05-18-2011, 01:30 PM
Peak Milos Raonic = 2nd serve bombs = RIP Nole

romismak
05-18-2011, 01:51 PM
Peak Milos Raonic = 2nd serve bombs = RIP Nole

We havenīt yet seen peak Raonic so hope one day we will and i hope he will be definetely someone who can defeat anyone.

Filo V.
05-18-2011, 02:50 PM
Nole would not lose to Raonic. In fact, he'd beat him the way Ferrer has, comfortably.

buzz
05-18-2011, 03:59 PM
Sars, blisters, sun stroke, common cold etc. Roddick new all along

Macbrother
05-18-2011, 04:58 PM
There's really nothing I can see in Nole's game that is exploitable; therefore there is no worst matchup, per se. He's simply gotta be overpowered and outplayed, but no one is capable of doing that right now.

Pipsy
05-18-2011, 05:05 PM
I'm thinking we might have a better indication after a potential clash on grass with Murray in semis of Queen's

Nadull_tard
05-18-2011, 06:11 PM
I'm thinking we might have a better indication after a potential clash on grass with Murray in semis of Queen's

If Djokovic has a brain and dreams about winning Wimbledon he will pull out of Queens.

Ibracadabra
05-18-2011, 06:31 PM
Juan martin del potro

n8
05-20-2011, 02:09 PM
Juan martin del potro

It certainly will be a blockbuster 3rd round match (assuming it happens)!

How to Beat Novak Djokovic: Three "Easy" Steps
http://thebigtip.com.au/tennis/how-beat-novak-djokovic-three-easy-steps

Thanks Yeshayahu for the insights.

yuri27
05-20-2011, 02:11 PM
There's really nothing I can see in Nole's game that is exploitable; therefore there is no worst matchup, per se. He's simply gotta be overpowered and outplayed, but no one is capable of doing that right now.

I'd say serve.

Branimir
05-20-2011, 04:24 PM
Only certain players can exploit that. Nadal and Murray.

romismak
07-11-2011, 04:37 PM
Murray and Federer leading the poll, obviously good choices here. But it looks like there is not bad or worst match-up for Nole right now. He has no weaknesses and even guys like Federer and Murray are not bad match-ups only neutral match-ups, all others seems to be good match-up for Nole, like big servers or Rafa.

Sauletekis
07-11-2011, 10:01 PM
Radek Stepanek. His sexyness makes Nole starring at his opponent in a admiring, yet jelous way...

tnosugar
07-11-2011, 11:26 PM
tsonga serving 75% or above on fast hard courts in 3 sets.

DJ Soup
07-11-2011, 11:28 PM
Juan Martin Del Potro @ US Open Quarter/Semi-Finals

oomph
07-12-2011, 12:26 AM
Del Potro is the most overrated player of the decade. Guy can't even reach QFs, and has never won against Djoko (in fact he is one loss away from being his pigeon) but he is the one most likely to beat him. :lol:

Okonsky
07-12-2011, 12:27 AM
Apart from Roger and Nadal, Youzhny.

DJ Soup
07-12-2011, 04:37 AM
Del Potro is the most overrated player of the decade. Guy can't even reach QFs, and has never won against Djoko (in fact he is one loss away from being his pigeon) but he is the one most likely to beat him. :lol:

yup, that's how good he is

Topspin Forehand
07-12-2011, 07:45 AM
Don't forget Juan! When Del Potro healed and back in form, he will start beating anybody..perhaps.
Except Djokovic. Just my opinion. Djokovic is not a good matchup for him. Nadal will at least give him some high balls he can feel comfortable with. Djokovic won't.

Macbrother
07-12-2011, 08:51 AM
I'd say serve.
Not sure how you can say that, if it was, Murray would be jumping all over it; his serve is no Federer's and may indeed be the weakest part of his game, but that doesn't mean people can exploit it, it's got plenty of depth and pace to keep returners at bay.

Gagsquet
07-12-2011, 09:02 AM
PHM 2006 like would be a pretty tough match-up.

bokehlicious
07-12-2011, 10:13 AM
Troicki

oomph
07-12-2011, 03:39 PM
yup, that's how good he is

Don't worry in ten years there will be another Argentine to win a slam. ;)

mooncreek
07-14-2011, 08:57 PM
At this point, Murray. You can't really use the AO final as a guide because of Andy's history of botching GS finals. But their clay match showed just how much of a pain Andy's game is to Novak - and if he hadn't choked serving for the match, well, who knows. But he was the closest to beating him before Roger finally ended the streak - pretty impressive for a player not known for clay prowess.

romismak
09-13-2011, 04:22 PM
Old Roger proove this once again, maybe in future more consistent Dolgo could use his variety to become bad match-up for Nole?

madmax
09-13-2011, 05:23 PM
an attacking all-arround player with big serve...yeah, pretty much this

MIMIC
09-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Pizza

veganlunch
09-13-2011, 07:20 PM
Roddick. I think he leads Djokovic in h2h.

xdrewitdajx
09-13-2011, 07:52 PM
^ so does Nadal

NID
09-13-2011, 11:33 PM
Muzza will trouble him for years to come.
Fed too.
As Nole declines, more and more ballbashers will be able to penetrate his defence. But for the time being, Muzza and Fed are tier one threats.

Gagsquet
09-13-2011, 11:37 PM
Talented shotmakers can trouble him.
So except the obvious Federer, I would say Gasquet (the offensive and aggressive one).

Roadmap
09-13-2011, 11:39 PM
Talented shotmakers can trouble him.
So except the obvious Federer, I would say Gasquet (the offensive and aggressive one).

:scratch:

thefish11
09-14-2011, 12:15 AM
The obvious 2 Fed, Murray. Dolgo -but he dramatically has to improve first serve to really threaten joker. I will take a lot of heat for this one but I would have liked to have seen how much trouble a healthy Mardy Fish could have given him at US Open.

Sophocles
09-14-2011, 12:22 AM
Clearly now it's Federer followed by Murray. Dolgo & Tomic both have the potential to trouble him.

leng jai
09-14-2011, 12:32 AM
Gluten

coonster14
09-14-2011, 12:52 AM
1. Federer (was 2 sets up and had 2 match points on his own serve in the US Open SF this year, full credit to Nole's 'all or nothing' FH return winner which swung the whole match around). Federer at 30 and past his prime has given Nole the most trouble all year.

2. Murray (his game matches up well with Nole, it's the mentality levels between the two that is the big difference, that's why Nole has won 4 grand slams and Murray is yet to win one)

dombrfc
09-14-2011, 12:42 PM
Peak Fed. Due to the fact that peak Fed > peak Nole

Commander Data
09-14-2011, 02:06 PM
The Easter Bunny (hides the magic-egg) followed by FedEx.