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The truth about Andy Roddick's and James Blake's Davis Cup streak of victories...

Ace Tracker
09-24-2002, 03:22 AM
.. much ado has been said about Andy's and James's streaks of singles victories in Davis Cup, recently broken by the French...but a closer look at their matches, reveals that both Americans have hardly beaten any top player on his (the opponent's) favorite surface in Davis Cup, if ever....

The Spaniards Robredo and Martin would have been tougher had the playing surface been clay...The Slovaks played without their two main players, Kucera and Hrybaty, and Beck was still a junior player by then...

Paes is a tricky player, and effectively pushed Andy to 4 sets, but is better known and most feared as a doubles player. Harsh Mankad is currently ranked in the 800's... and Andy's match against George Bastl was played when the tie was already decided to the Swiss side...

In fact, those were hardly noticeable wins, both Andy and James were heavily favoured to win those matches, and the victorious streak revealed itself to be weaker than the buzz surrounding it...

Andy Roddick's Davis Cup Appearances

2002 FRA d. USA 3-2 in FRA, Davis Cup (WG-SF)
Sep 20 - Sep 22
Roland Garros, Paris, FRA
Surface: Clay
Singles 1: l. Arnaud Clement 6-4 6-7(6) 6-7(5) 1-6
Singles 3: l. Sebastien Grosjean 4-6 6-3 3-6 4-6

USA d. ESP 3-1 in USA, Davis Cup (WG-QF)
Apr 05 - Apr 07
Westside Tennis Club, Houston, TX, USA
Surface: Grass
Singles 1: d. Tommy Robredo 6-3 7-5 7-6(7)
Singles 3: d. Alberto Martin 6-2 6-4 6-2

USA d. SVK 5-0 in USA, Davis Cup (WG-1R)
Feb 08 - Feb 10
Myriad Convention Centre, Oklahoma City, OK, USA
Surface: Hard
Singles 2: d. Jan Kroslak 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 7-6(1)
Singles 4: d. Karol Beck 6-4 7-6(5)

2001 USA d. IND 4-1 in USA, Davis Cup (WG-QR)
Oct 12 - Oct 14
Lawrence Joel Colisseum, Winston Salem, North Carolina, USA
Surface: Hard
Singles 1: d. Harsh Mankad 6-3 6-4 6-1
Singles 3: d. Leander Paes 4-6 6-3 6-2 7-5

SUI d. USA 3-2 in SUI, Davis Cup (WG-1R)
Feb 09 - Feb 11
St. Jakobs Hall, Basle, SUI
Surface: Hard
Singles 4: d. George Bastl 6-3 6-4

James Blake's Davis Cup Appearances

2002 FRA d. USA 3-2 in FRA, Davis Cup (WG-SF)
Sep 20 - Sep 22
Roland Garros, Paris, FRA
Surface: Clay
Singles 2: l. Sebastien Grosjean 4-6 1-6 7-6(7) 5-7
Doubles (w. Martin): d. Llodra/Santoro 2-6 7-6(2) 2-6 6-4 6-4
Singles 4: d. Arnaud Clement 6-4 6-3

USA d. ESP 3-1 in USA, Davis Cup (WG-QF)
Apr 05 - Apr 07
Westside Tennis Club, Houston, TX, USA
Surface: Grass
Doubles (w. Martin): d. Balcells/Martin 6-1 6-4 6-4
Singles 4: A Tommy Robredo 1-6 4-5 Played and abandoned

USA d. SVK 5-0 in USA, Davis Cup (WG-1R)
Feb 08 - Feb 10
Myriad Convention Centre, Oklahoma City, OK, USA
Surface: Hard
Doubles (w. Fish): d. Beck/Kroslak 6-3 6-7(5) 6-3 6-4
Singles 3: d. Ladislav Svarc 4-6 6-3 6-0

2001 USA d. IND 4-1 in USA, Davis Cup (WG-QR)
Oct 12 - Oct 14
Lawrence Joel Colisseum, Winston Salem, North Carolina, USA
Surface: Hard
Singles 2: d. Leander Paes 7-5 6-3 6-3
Singles 4: d. Harsh Mankad 6-3 6-0

tennischick
09-24-2002, 03:40 AM
duly noted. altho' i do think Paes was at the time a better opponent than you are crediting him for.

very fair observations tho'. and certainly Pandy's spanking the Spanish on grass was never anything to shout home about. Correjta beating the Android on the green stuff was quite another matter...:eek: :eek:

on the good news front...so James has a winning record against Clement eh? nice...;) ;)

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2002, 03:45 AM
I pointed this out a while ago...

It was annoying how the media went on and on..

With all due respect to Andy and James they beat players that they SHOULD have been beating.

TheBoiledEgg
09-24-2002, 09:33 AM
and they do the same about Henman as well :D LMAO

those 2 have got more similarities than we 1st imagined.

tennischick
09-24-2002, 12:56 PM
which two, Dickhead and Choking Boy? i agree...;) ;)

TheBoiledEgg
09-24-2002, 01:02 PM
yes those two ;)

the cat
09-26-2002, 01:04 AM
I never took their undefeated Davis Cup records seriously. It was nice. But until they played top players on the road in a hostile environment and on their worst surface, their records could be misconstrued as being better than it really is.

And Roddick and Blake had to learn the hard way. Especially Andy. Atleast James won a memorable doubles match. So he has some good memories to take with him from Paris.

eshell
09-26-2002, 03:35 PM
<sigh>

It's only Davis Cup. Andy and James could only play the opponents presented by the opposing Davis Cup captains. Honestly, I don't think Andy and James made a big deal about their winning streaks...the media did.

On another note, many players who have amazing records in Davis Cup have beaten players "they should've beaten" as well as winning in hostile environments.

Andy and James are still learning and growing as players. Let's cut them some slack.

Chloe le Bopper
09-26-2002, 04:00 PM
On another note, many players who have amazing records in Davis Cup have beaten players "they should've beaten" as well as winning in hostile environments.

Well that is the point...they beat who they should have beat AND those who were a tough match for them (examples - see Escude and Ferrero's first year in Davis Cup).

It was indeed only the media that blew it up... I didn't see anyone who suggested otherwise :confused:

Lily
09-29-2002, 04:12 AM
He forgot the other point won by James..

Around the World with Mr. Ed (September 22, 2002)
by Ed Toombs
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France foils USA on the clay
The aging U.S. Open finalists Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras were missing from the American squad. However, judging by the ATP's Race Rankings, the USA was still in good shape: Patrick McEnroe's singles players, Andy Roddick and James Blake, have been experiencing more success this season than their French counterparts Sébastien Grosjean and Arnaud Clément.

However, the French had some powerful arguments on their side. First, the experience of their players, particularly in big Davis Cup matches. Second, the home crowd. And third, the European clay, on which the French (especially Grosjean) have been much more successful. The biggest problem for French in the lead-up was a back injury suffered by Grosjean, that raised the possibility that 20-year-old rising star Paul-Henri Mathieu might be thrown into the pressure-cooker. Grosjean did play in the end, and play brilliantly, winning his two matches and providing the winning point on Sunday.

In some uncharacteristically blunt pre-match comments, France's captain Guy Forget, who usually avoids inflammatory statements, suggested that American number one Roddick may in fact be the weak link. "Emotionally, Roddick can drop out of a match for no apparent reason. Beyond the fact that he loses his composure, he sometimes doesn't play smart, his movement is heavy, his backhand can be improved, he has a mediocre volley for a top level player, and he lacks experience." Anything else you'd like to add, Guy?

As it turned out, Forget was not far off the mark. Roddick lost both of his singles matches against Arnaud Clément and Sébastien Grosjean, the latter match giving France the winning point. Although Roddick fought hard and took a set in each match, his inability to conclude points at the net and tendency to press and overhit proved fatal against his smaller but Davis Cup-tested opponents. Note that the other power-hitting young American, James Blake, had similarly lost to Grosjean in four sets on the opening day.

The only American point of the weekend came in the doubles, a courageous, come-from-behind 2-6, 7-6, 2-6 (2), 6-4, 6-4 win by Blake and Todd Martin over Mickael Llodra and Fabrice Santoro. After the tie, captain Forget recognized that the doubles point will be more crucial in the final -- "we are the underdogs", claimed the captain -- and expressed concern about the ups and downs displayed by his pair in their loss to the Americans.

Ace Tracker
09-29-2002, 05:04 AM
"Emotionally, Roddick can drop out of a match for no apparent reason. Beyond the fact that he loses his composure, he sometimes doesn't play smart, his movement is heavy, his backhand can be improved, he has a mediocre volley for a top level player, and he lacks experience"

with all due respect to Andy and his fans, I think Guy Forget has nailed a point there. He is not bashing Andy's game for its own sake, but is blatantly honest on assessing his weaknesses...

TheBoiledEgg
09-29-2002, 07:41 AM
Forget disses Andy and James

By Matthew Cronin
tennisreporters.net


Now for some sober European thoughts on U.S. Davis Cup loss to France: After the tie French captain Guy Forget said of young Americans Andy Roddick and James Blake, "Whether you're talking about Blake or Roddick, they are not clay court players," Forget said. "Roddick only stayed in the match because of his service. Sebastien and Arnaud are less extravagant and more 'mean' in how they play points. They [the Americans] always want to blow you away and follow a game plan which is almost always the same."
Ouch.


LMAO but so true ;)
well said Guy

King Aaron
09-29-2002, 08:00 AM
yeah, i agree that the win streaks are nothing to be noted about