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What court will the French team choose to play on the DC Final?

is6
09-23-2002, 08:31 PM
and what would give them advantage?

it wouldn't be an easy task considering that both Yevgeny and Marat can play on all surfaces.

I personally think that French guys have more chances on clay considering that YK doesn't really like it and Marat's game has shifted more to the hard court and grass (all that serve-and-volleying)..


what do you think?

Chloe le Bopper
09-23-2002, 08:40 PM
I would be surprised if they didnt play on clay again - I guess it will be to cold for Roland Garros outside at that point, huh? Too bad..

Indoor carpet would be a bad idea for obvious reasons. Grass is also not going to happen. Marat has won the US Open, so i would assume that indoor hardcourt would also be a bad idea.

Even on clay, the Russians will contend. But it would be their weakest at the time being - not that that says a lot, what with a past Roland Garros champ and semifinalist.

the cat
09-23-2002, 11:51 PM
Like Becca said. Clay is the Russian's worst surface. So that will be the court surface. Guaranteed.

And I just hope the Davis Cup final will be on television in America. But I don't expect it to be! :mad:

Ace Tracker
09-24-2002, 02:27 AM
don't forget that the French have a great grass-court player on Escudé while neither Safin nor YK have done much on it for the past years...

ys
09-24-2002, 02:37 AM
Clay is the only surface where Russians would have an obvious advantage. The French would be favourites on carpet, and that is what they are going to choose.

Jessi
09-24-2002, 02:40 AM
its not their favorite surface but safin and YK can play on grass. YK won Halle this year and Marat reached the quarters of wimbledon last year.

ys
09-24-2002, 02:48 AM
All this is not even a question. French would not be able to make it grass due to technical reasons, and they would not dare to choose clay. Carpet or indoor hardcourts, not much difference to me..

Jessi
09-24-2002, 03:09 AM
the cat, clay is NOT the Russians worst surface. I really don't know how you can say that. The first two ties won by Russia this year were played on clay. YK is a former Roland Garros champ while Marat has made the semifinals. At their best i would say they are two of best clay court players in the world.

i agree with ys, i think it will be carpet or indoor hardcourts.

is6
09-24-2002, 03:24 AM
I beg your pardon, but there is such a thing as synthetic grass.

Also, YK has a very decent record on carpet and Marat is quite capable of playing on it as well, so I don't think it's a done deal.

Even if the French end up choosing carpet, it will be because there is no really surface that would give them clear advantage (since Russians are pretty much all courters)

Ace Tracker
09-24-2002, 03:36 AM
the Russian team with YK and Safin is stronger, at least on paper, but the Russians lack depth outside their main two players, in case anything happens to one of them...I am sure Mikhail Youzhny is extremelly talented and can post victories over top players at anyday, but he does not have much experience on Davis Cup matches and might falter if needed (especially considering that Safin and Kafelnikov will be expected to play both singles and doubles matches, thus stressing the importance of both of them being extremelly fit at the time)...

ys
09-24-2002, 03:37 AM
I beg your pardon, but there is such a thing as synthetic grass

There is no such thing according to ITF. It is not an official surface.

Also, YK has a very decent record on carpet and Marat is quite capable of playing on it as well, so I don't think it's a done deal.

They simply have no choice. Russia has three good claycourters. France has one. If France chooses carpet, at least it mostly takes Youzhnyi out of consideration and gives the French more chance to match Safin with Santoro. On clay Russia can well opt to play Kafelnikov and Youzhnyi on the first day with Safin playing doubles and singles on the last day. And that completely takes Santoro out of picture, because Santoro is 0:9 against Kafelnikov and Youzhnyi. On clay Russia has so much more space for maneuvering. Leave alone the fact that Kafelnikov is triple RG champion in doubles and winning some clay Masters in doubles with different partners almost every year. The French choose clay and the doubles is gone, Santoro is gone, and they are left with lonely Grosjean and no other player having a mere idea of how to play on clay.. Maybe Gasquet?:p

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2002, 03:42 AM
Maybe you are right about clay being a bad idea :confused:

I hadnt thought about that.

I can't imagine they would pick indoor carpet though, what with Kafel...

ys
09-24-2002, 03:48 AM
Becca, Grosjean ( along with Haas and probably Federer ) is probably the best indoor player of last year. Indoors Grosjean is better than Kafelnikov, at least in France. And Clement has always given Kafelnikov all sort of troubles. And Santoro gave same to Safin. They choose carpet. Grosjean plays Kafelnikov on the first day, Santoro plays Safin on the first day. In reverse singles Grosjean plays Safin, and Clement plays Kafelnikov. It can't get any better than that for the French. It is not even a possibility, it is written on the wall.

tennischick
09-24-2002, 03:51 AM
gosh what a tough choice! poor Guy...:sad:

Clement and Escude are terrific on hardcourts -- but then again so are the Russians.

how about Rebound Ace? is that allowed? :confused:

ys
09-24-2002, 03:55 AM
Also, if I were a French captain, I would not really think too match about that Safin/Santoro thingy. For Safin - Santoro problem is purely mental, and in DC where it is ITF rules and allowed coaching, mental-wise it is a different ballgame. Russia has a full squad of experts on how to tame Santoro, and they will be on the bench helping Safin.

ys
09-24-2002, 03:58 AM
Rebound Ace? is that allowed?

LOL! Are you going to play on Rebound Ace against a team who has three AO finals and Olympic Gold on Rebound Ace within last four seasons?

Ace Tracker
09-24-2002, 04:00 AM
yep, it's a tough call...I'm sure Guy* would rather have to play the Argentines on carpet...it's starting to smell like Nice 1999...

*I heard he's starting to recruit sensuous blondes in Paris to keep Safin entertained...:p :) ;)

Chrisie
09-24-2002, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Ace Tracker


*I heard he's starting to recruit sensuous blondes in Paris to keep Safin entertained...:p :) ;)

Nice attempt, Guy Forget! That won't be hard!:D

Ahhhhh, Santoro, he's the part of the reason I hoped a USA victory. What a terrible thought.:mad:

TheBoiledEgg
09-24-2002, 09:29 AM
I still think they will choose Paris Bercy and that means Indoor Carpet.

they have until Monday to decide.

Dahveed
09-24-2002, 12:07 PM
They said they would announce it on Friday night, and it will probably take place in Paris Bercy indeed.

Guy Forget said they are debating within the team about the surface to choose. Probably carpet yes, but indoor clay is another possibility. Forget grass, lol this isn't Wimbledon or Australia, it's not cos Escudé is a good grass player they're gonna install grass in Paris Bercy ;)

Anyway this will be a nice DC final! :)

tennischick
09-24-2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by y_s


LOL! Are you going to play on Rebound Ace against a team who has three AO finals and Olympic Gold on Rebound Ace within last four seasons?

when all the choices are shitty, anything is possible. and Clement did win the Australian Open remember! while Safin LOST...

i still can't see the French picking carpet. i think Rebound Ace is the great equalizer as both sides have equal chances. carpet is just too out there and it places too much of the burden on the oft-injured Escude.

but we will soon find out...enuf of the guessing. ;) ;)

TheBoiledEgg
09-24-2002, 02:53 PM
Arnaud won the AUS Open ???????????

i'm sure i must have seen him getting spanked by Andre in the final or was that a dream ???

TennisHack
09-24-2002, 04:28 PM
Clement did not win the Australian Open, he was slaughtered in the final. Meanwhile, Zhenya *did* win the Aussie Open . . .

julien
09-24-2002, 04:38 PM
I'm glad ys said that it's written on the wall cause last year he also said that it was written on the wall that Australia would win very easily :D ;) but that's not what I intended to say.

From what I heard, Forget would like a neutral surface (and that would mean carpet) because there's no surface that would give a clear advantage to the french team and thus he would rely on the public and the team spirit.

is6
09-24-2002, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by julien

From what I heard, Forget would like a neutral surface (and that would mean carpet) because there's no surface that would give a clear advantage to the french team and thus he would rely on the public and the team spirit. [/B]

AND THAT WAS MY POINT EXACTLY!

julien
09-24-2002, 06:26 PM
Yes but I was just telling that Forget thinks the same ;).

Dissident
09-25-2002, 12:08 AM
I read in a report that they already asked to play on Paris Bercy, indoor carpet. And thats the obvious choice imo. It will make things equal. :)
I also read they are waiting for an answer from the city to put the tie in the Bercy complex.
It will be thrilling! :D

tennischick
09-25-2002, 12:14 AM
ooops!!! my bad. but he plays well on rebound ace. Clement i mean.

i still don't see how carpet favors the French but if carpet ends up being chosen i will bow to your collective greater knowledge. :angel:

Dissident
09-25-2002, 12:19 AM
Carpet doesnt favor the french. Its the only surface to NOT FAVOR the russians.
Its a little different. The carpet AND playing at home will even things. I would say its gonna be a 50-50 tie. And a very interesting one.

aura of moya
09-25-2002, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by TheBoiledEgg
Arnaud won the AUS Open ???????????

i'm sure i must have seen him getting spanked by Andre in the final or was that a dream ???

Hehehehe

I think it could come down to the Grosjean vs Safin rubber.
I feel Yevgeny isn't quite at where he was a couple years back, and results say that, and Grosjean come off two great matches against Roddick and Blake.

On any surface, France will be favoured in the doubles.
So, I think Sab will beat Yevgeny, and then beat Safin.
Clements results may be unnecessary.

I think put it on Clay. Will make the tie more exciting if you ask me.
Indoor fast surfaces have no atmosphere.
But since I wont see this tie either way, I cant say I care to much about the atmosphere anyway :p

Goooo Team ;)

Simon V

Experimentee
09-25-2002, 03:31 PM
I think Kafelnikov and Safin are two of the worlds best claycourters, dont know how anyone can say its their weakest surface.
They're good on any surface, France would have an edge on Rebound Ace, except i dont think there are any rebound ace courts in France. I would say France should go with their strengths and forget about trying to figure out a Russian weakness, and play on hardcourts or clay (for Grosjean and the doubles team)

dbc
09-25-2002, 07:06 PM
Grosjean won the MS last year at Paris Bercy.
The other thing is that neither of the 2 Russians have done that brilliantly this year except in DC AT HOME. And for the 1st time this year they don't have home advantage.
YK did win Halle, but has lost fairly early on in most of the other big t'ments. With Safin you really never know. His best result was at the AO, but he won the semi only because Haas faltered after there was a (rain) delay to close the roof and after being in control in the 1st set of the final he allowed Johansson to then dictate play from there on in & lost.

the cat
09-26-2002, 12:59 AM
The French team has no fear of the Russia team. Even on carpet. I'm sure they respect them.But they don't fear them.

Jessi, Kafelnikov played well on clay a long time ago. His clay court results in recent years have been terrible! And when he won the 1996 French Open, he beat Sampras in the semis and Stich in the final. They were hardly fine clay court players.

It's a 50/50 Tie. And the team that wins the doubles will win the match.

Udachi Russia!

tennischick
09-26-2002, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by hitman
Carpet doesnt favor the french. Its the only surface to NOT FAVOR the russians.
Its a little different. The carpet AND playing at home will even things. I would say its gonna be a 50-50 tie. And a very interesting one.

so the French should pick a surface that DOESN'T favor them just because it also doesn't favor the other team??? gosh that's smart. why didn't i think of that? :rolleyes:

Ace Tracker
09-26-2002, 11:45 AM
the Russian team is extremelly talented and both Safin and Kafelnikov are all-court players who can beat anybody anywhere at any given day...but there are two concerns for the Russians IMO: if Safin or Kafelnikov will hold it mentally, as both players tend sometimes to drift away and lose focus, and how fit, well rested and healthy those players will be by tie's time, as Russia depends heavily on them...

Lindsayfan
09-26-2002, 01:14 PM
i think they'll choose a very fast carpet and they'll play in Bercy

TheBoiledEgg
09-26-2002, 01:32 PM
it will all go down if Marat's brain will be in gear
Zhenya's brain will be 100 focused :)

Marat better be there in mind, body and soul :)

Nimi
09-26-2002, 01:57 PM
Should i quote Eggy? "Kafelnikov is the indoor carpet monster".
I have no major fave in this tie, so ill be objective.
Clay- Favours Russia.
Hard Outdoor- Doesnt matter, have you ever seen the French choose that?
Hard Indoor- 50/50
Carpet Indoor- 51/49 for Russia i think
RebAce- Wont happen
Grass- Wont happen
Clay Indoor- lol, i wish! That would be cool!

All in all, i think the best court for France is indoor hard. Indoor carpet might work, & thats the court they will choose, but it favours Russia a bit.

Dissident
09-27-2002, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by tennischick


so the French should pick a surface that DOESN'T favor them just because it also doesn't favor the other team??? gosh that's smart. why didn't i think of that? :rolleyes:

Hmmm, I dont think you understand what I meant.
Let me try again. I didnt say the court is bad for the french. Its not. If it was they wouldnt chose it. It would be like Brazil picking grass to play against Argentina (taking Nabaldian out of the equation :p)
What I meant is that this one is the only court capable of bringing the level of the tie to even. It would be a 50-50 shot on carpet. But as France plays at home, I will give a slight edge to them.
I hope it makes more sense now.

tennischick
09-27-2002, 02:12 AM
i understand about Bercy and that alone makes the carpet prediction understandable. but isn't rebound ace also a 50-50 choice? that's where i am confused.

Dissident
09-27-2002, 02:16 AM
In my opinion, the carpet is still better than rebound ace.
And Im sure the players themselves had a big deal on choosing that. Grosjean seems to love the Bercy atmosphere. Maybe thats another reason.

Dahveed
09-27-2002, 11:48 AM
Well they chose Paris Bercy on indoor clay :p

Lindsayfan
09-27-2002, 11:53 AM
yes Bercy on clay! :eek:

TheBoiledEgg
09-27-2002, 11:55 AM
Thats very interesting :)

vaiva
09-27-2002, 12:13 PM
You say clay :)

If only Marat could bring back the game of his outdoor clay season. Straight sets QF victory at RG :D

I still remember it *wink* *wink*

is6
09-27-2002, 12:30 PM
what did I say?:p

they made the right choice....... Marat's power is out of eqaution... Now conditioning is on the top of list.

ys
09-27-2002, 12:55 PM
:bounce::bounce:

It is still a lot of hard work for guys, but we can already start celebrating. The French perhps decided that it is only fair for Yevgeny to have his cup before he retires...:)

vaiva
09-27-2002, 01:03 PM
LOL @ y_s

is6
09-27-2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by y_s
:bounce::bounce:

It is still a lot of hard work for guys, but we can already start celebrating. The French perhps decided that it is only fair for Yevgeny to have his cup before he retires...:)

not so fast, y_s

remember, every time you predict Russian player (s) win(s) easily, they lose;)

seriously, French guys are a lot more patient that Russians and that's what you need to play on clay... AND physical conditioning..

and Santoro against Safin...

TheBoiledEgg
09-27-2002, 01:18 PM
if Marat don't play on day 1 that takes Santoro out of equation
and means Zhenya is #1 and he plays someone other than Grosjean on 1st day.

Bubble
09-27-2002, 01:31 PM
on clay... how intriguing.... :p

Dissident
09-27-2002, 05:16 PM
Thats risky. But it should make it even more interesting.
Im thrilled! :D

Lucas Arg
09-27-2002, 05:32 PM
Clay is the best choice. France will win this tie very easy.

TheBoiledEgg
09-27-2002, 06:12 PM
LOL@Lucas
he's just jealous

Jessi
09-27-2002, 08:00 PM
Lucas is definitely jealous. i bet if it was France that had beaten argentina in the semis Lucas would be rooting for Russia in the final..:p

:kiss:

Lucas Arg
09-27-2002, 10:07 PM
Argentina almost beat Russian in carpet in Moscow...Imagine the same tie on clay and in Buenos Aires.

I'd say Argentina 5-0;)

Chloe le Bopper
09-27-2002, 10:22 PM
I am torn, but want Kafel to win his cup.

Either than that I wouldn't have rooted for the Russian team in the semis either.

But go Kafel :D

dbc
09-27-2002, 10:31 PM
Well now we know the venue & the surface.
Interesting, but one never knows.
Remember they played vs Australia on an indoor clay court at home & lost
Then they played Australia on grass away and won.

tennischick
09-28-2002, 12:08 AM
so much for the carpet predictions! indoor clay/rebound ace, same difference. i say go with your strengths, not with an assumption about the other's weakness. vive la France!!!!

the cat
09-28-2002, 12:22 AM
y_s, please leave the predictions to me! ;)

And as I've said before, if Santoro plays singles against Safin, either Grojsean or Clement will be very annoyed that they got the shaft because of Santor's record against Safin. I hope that happens and it screws up the French team chemistry! :eek:
By the way, I think it will be Clement who is pulled for Santoro.

I predict that Marat will finally get his long overdue revenge on Santoro, and lead Russia to a thrilling 3-2 victory of France and their first Davis Cup championship! :D

Udchi Russian Federation! :bounce:

P.S. - I wonder if Mikhail Youzhny will even want to partake in the Davis Cup final for Russia after the tragic death of his father, which apparently occured after he was hit by another man. :( That's just so sad!

ys
09-28-2002, 02:54 AM
The cat, DC final is more two monthes away, are you aware of that? Are you expecting Mikkail to mourn his father for the rest of his life? His father wanted most of all Mikhail having a bright tennis career,a dn that is what Misha is going to do. We'll beat the French, and I hope I'll witness that in Bercy.

ys
09-28-2002, 02:56 AM
And another very important issue, clay elimiates any possibility for biased refereeing - that's why I love when my team plays the away tie on clay. And we beat Argentina in that legendary match in Buenos-Aires on clay! :)

julien
09-28-2002, 07:33 AM
I don't know if the chemistry as you call it can be screwed that easily because noone in the team has his selection for granted. If you watch who played the last two years, you'll see the team changes almost for every tie. So it won't cause any trouble (at least I hope so). Clément played all the ties last year BUT the final and he's still in the team and happy to play hehe.
You will have to count on other things ;).

Are you accusing anyone of biased refereeing, y_s? :o

I edited that cause I couldn't understand one of my sentences :o

the cat
09-28-2002, 11:46 AM
y_s, maybe Mikhail Youzhny won't mourn his fathers death the rest of his life. But under the circumstances, and the way Mr. Youzhny apparently died or was killed, has to cloud his son's mind for the forseeable future! But I certainly hope he still has a fine career.

And I wouldn't be so happy that Russia has to play the Davis Cup final on slow red clay.

Scotso
09-29-2002, 01:49 AM
Allez la France! :D

Chloe le Bopper
09-29-2002, 04:44 AM
And as I've said before, if Santoro plays singles against Safin, either Grojsean or Clement will be very annoyed that they got the shaft because of Santor's record against Safin. I hope that happens and it screws up the French team chemistry!
By the way, I think it will be Clement who is pulled for Santoro.


As already said - these guys are happy to play for their country, and I'm sure they understand that they have to form the team that is the best possible given the conditions.

They aren't whiney brats who will refuse to play for their country if they aren't promised a playign singles spot, or if they are left out for a tie.

I hope that Clement plays, but I would be surprised if Santoro isn't at least considered for singles.

Chloe le Bopper
09-29-2002, 04:48 AM
What I meant, was that I want Clement to get to play, but I want Fabrice to play singles.

Lindsayfan
09-29-2002, 08:02 AM
i think Clement and Grosjean will play singles on friday,Santoro will play double and maybe a single on sunday.if he plays on friday,then he'll be tired for double and France needs him more in double than in single.

Allez la France! :D

Chloe le Bopper
09-29-2002, 09:20 AM
I think/hope you are right LIndsay fan ;)

Jessi
09-30-2002, 11:26 PM
From Tennisweek.com:

Russians Say Surface For Davis Cup Final Suits Safin


By Richard Pagliaro
09/27/2002

Defending Davis Cup champion France will enjoy a home court advantage when it hosts Russia in the Davis Cup final at the Palais Omnisports in Paris Bercy, but Russian Davis Cup captain Shamil Tarpishchev believes the clay-court surface selected by France may be best suited for Marat Safin.


The fourth-ranked Safin constructed the foundation of his game on the red clay courts of Valencia, Spain where he trained from ages 13-19 after moving out of Moscow. Safin's two career clay-court titles are more than any member of the French squad and he has registered solid results at Roland Garros in two of the past three years: reaching the semifinals in the spring and the quarterfinals in 2000.

"I don't think (clay) will make any major difference in regard to our chances," Tarpishchev told Reuters. "If anything, it should favor Safin."

Russia returns to the Davis Cup final for the first time since 1995 and is seeking its first Davis Cup championship in history.

French Davis Cup captain Guy Forget is expected to select Sebastien Grosjean and Arnaud Clement to reprise their semifinal roles as the singles starters on the French squad. Safin has won four of his six career matches with Grosjean, including a 6-3, 6-2, 6-2 victory over Grosjean in the French Open quarterfinals this year. In his lone career clash with Clement, Safin scored a 6-0, 6-3, 6-2 victory in the fourth round of the 2001 Wimbledon.

A 2001 Roland Garros semifinalist, Grosjean is a solid clay-court player, who posted a career-best 19-8 clay-court record last year. He won both of his Davis Cup semifinal matches on clay, beating James Blake last Friday before clinching the semifinal victory with a four-set win over Andy Roddick.

The 24-year-old Clement split his semifinal matches last weekend and has never surpassed the second round in six career appearances at Roland Garros.

Despite a disappointing summer season, Safin is a more accomplished clay-court player than both Clement and Grosjean. Teammate Yevgeny Kafelnikov, who has said repeatedly he will retire if Russia claims its first Davis Cup in history, may be vulnerable to the French pair in long matches on clay. The 1996 French Open champion was once one of the world's top clay-court players, but the 28-year-old Kafelnikov has struggled with his stamina and slumped in a subpar clay-court season in the spring.

Kafelnikov is 3-2 against Grosjean and won their lone meeting on clay in the third round of the 2001 Roland Garros. While Kafelnikov has won four of his seven matches with Clement, the quick-footed Clement crushed Kafelnikov, 6-3, 6-0 in their only meeting on clay at the 2001 World Team Cup in Dusseldorf.

Tarpishchev conceded clay could pose problems for Kafelnikov in the final.

"His (Kafelnikov's) physical conditioning is not as good as it used to be," Tarpishchev told Reuters.


http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=6656&bannerregion=

ys
12-02-2002, 07:28 PM
Bump..

It was fun to reread..:)