World Group Final: USA at Spain: December 3-5, 2004

Juanca...please

come on jc hold serve you can do it

again, imagine this: you're playing singles!!!! vamos juanqui! hold serve!

15-30 Spain

again, imagine this: you're playing singles!!!! vamos juanqui! hold serve!

ah yes, if only it we're a singles match! sigh. . .

Come on JCF!

looks like all the hype about the brothers were true after all........

The incredible Bryans!!!!

Oh no... 5-3! Come on guys!

:sad: :mad: OHGOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5-3 USA

break now jcf/tommy or it's over! :sad:

there must have been a lot of pent up anger within the brothers...to be able to administer such a one sided contest.....no chance.......if they played a 100 sets.....the brothers will probably take all 100

do they play three sets?

do they play three sets?

five setter....but no difference to the outcome i think

CMON BRYANS!!!

Say it isn't sooo :sad:

Is Spain really sucking right now or are the Bryans just too good?? Any thoughts?

Juanca......well nevermind.

6-0 6-3 :woohoo:

hope they can at least bring third set to a tie-break

five setter....but no difference to the outcome i think

best of five? That's what I meant. hehehe

then there still is hope for a miracle!! ;)

*0-30 bryans!!!

well out of 100 sets I'd expect jc-tomy to win one

3 bps COME ON!!!!

1 bp TAKE IT

Say it isn't sooo :sad:

Is Spain really sucking right now or are the Bryans just too good?? Any thoughts?

it's not that surprising. The bryan brothers are one of the best doubles team. JFC and Robredo don't play doubles very much

but i still believe. it's not ova till it's ova!! Vamos Spain! ;)

best of five? That's what I meant. hehehe

then there still is hope for a miracle!! ;)

frankly speaking ......they only way they can still this match is that one of the brothers get injured or something

I know the Bryans are class but man, the spaniards cant suck this much

damnit deuce

could it be complacency within the Spanish ranks......

Allez JFC/TOMMY prove these doubters (including myself) wrong!!

Come on! :mad:

deuce again! argh! hold, damn it, spain! :o :rolleyes:

BREAK :woohoo:

how about trying the other doubles team in next ties for a change!...

great! they got broken again! :mad: :sad:

:mad:

how about trying the other doubles team in next ties for a change!...

what other doubles' team ? :confused:

I know the Bryans are class but man, the spaniards cant suck this much


JCF isnt a doubles player!!

this match is OVER! USA up 1-0...

30-0

JCF isnt a doubles player!!

exactly. neither is Robredo! ;)

2-0* :D

the other doubles Lopez-Verdasco

well this was an effort in futility! :rolleyes:

good luck in the singles Carlos y Rafael :D

I'm off :wavey:

exactly. neither is Robredo! ;)

but didnt he play the doubles in the last DC tie...JCF didnt ;)

:rolleyes: :o alright. now go for a deep breath. all you gotta do is hold and then break.
Now DO IT!!!! :mad:

seeing this score, Im sure Lopez-Verdasco would have done a better score

but didnt he play the doubles in the last DC tie...JCF didnt ;)

still doesn't mean he's a double player. . .Or he would play doubles on a more regular basis like Nestor and Knowles for example ;)

:eek: JCF and tommy have played together 15 times!!!

seeing this score, Im sure Lopez-Verdasco would have done a better score

but the question remains. would they have won?? doubt it!

deuce... BREAK THEM!!!

:eek: JCF and tommy have played together 15 times!!!

And how many times have they won?? just curious!

Juanca held. What a great service game.

And how many times have they won?? just curious!

3 :tape:

Juan,Tommy,BREAK THEM!!! :armed:

At least they just held. That's part one of the plan.

Part two; go for the break of serve. Allez!!!

VAMOS Spain ! ;) :worship:

3 :tape:

hehehehehe

I guess they need more practice! ;) :eek:

Go Bryans!! :bounce:

but the question remains. would they have won?? doubt it!
they would have managed a tiebreak , they mite have won a set, but nowhere near as bad as this, i think

Go for the break JCF/Tommy !! Vamos.

*1-3 come on usa

hehehehehe

I guess they need more practice! ;) :eek:

:haha: only a little bit :p

how's the crowd doing????...

3-1 USA

gotta hold JCF/Tommy!! gotta hold now! :rolleyes:

how's the crowd doing????...

quiet! all americans cheering loudly though

bp!!!!!!!!!!

quiet! all americans cheering loudly though

so you're watching it live? lucky you !!

haha well come oooon spanish crowd, give some cheers cuz its soon over

wow miracle two consequetive holds for Spain

That's not cool that the crowd is being quiet! :(

the good news is the JCF/Tommy are giving themselves a chance by just holding. Allez, Vamos! :D

3 more come on bryans

YES!!! *5-2

5-2.... I'm afraid it's over :sad:

clapclap JC....well poor job for the spaniards today, though I dont doubt they must have been outplayed for real.....US gets the point, their only one in the final....:aplot: :p

*30-15!!!

2 MPS!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

ACE AND GAME SET AND MATCH!!!!!!!!

Game, Set, MATCH!

Yikes. Looks like this match is ovah!! :rolleyes: :( :eek:

Spain lost.... too bad! :sad:

Good luck tomorrow Carlos & Rafa!

Never mind,you 2 are still great,it's not your fault! :)

clapclap JC....well poor job for the spaniards today, though I dont doubt they must have been outplayed for real.....US gets the point, their only one in the final....:aplot: :p


You better believe it! It shall be their only point. hahahaha. . .

Vamos Spain! This is just a minor setback ;)

Spain will wrap this up tomorrow...I don't think Roddick will even beat Moya tomorrow.........Fish's gonna get toast tomorrow...

WAY TO GO BRYANS!!! :aparty:

I don't think Spain was too serious about this match. I would like for Nadal to win the match that gives Spain the tie, but I won't take my chances and will be cheering for Moya.

I hate the chest bump thing the Bryans do.

Bob and Mike :kiss:

I hate the chest bump thing the Bryans do.

Oh, so do I KarolBeckFan :devil: In fact the Bryan Brothers are the epitome of everything I don't like on a tennis court :devil: Granted they are a great doubles' pair because of their incredible intuition and anticipation and knowledge of each other (not surprising considering they are twins!), - but that chest bumping and the bouncing about and the high-fives, - and the way thay're always hittting the ball at their opponents :devil: :devil: - it's sheer brute force and intimidation and I hate it :devil: :devil:

I hate the chest bump thing the Bryans do.

I love it when they do that! I wish I could have been there to see it live! They played an awesome match! :worship:
http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/DC_3585_gallery.JPG

That chest pump is one of the nerdiest things I've ever seen!

robredo and ferrero were atrocious...why did spain even bother turing up if they were going to play like that?

a tired nadal and moya would have done better than that

There are some rumors that Ferrero will play tomorrow against Roddick. JC has the same chance that in 2000 against LH

Where did these rumors come from? List your sources.

If true, I would like it in that I can see Ferrero on TV... they say they will show the decider but they won't pass up the chance to show Roddick... and I just adore JC. But then, my desire for Spain to win makes me want them to play Moya.

Where did you see it?????

More info please...

Erm.... this doesn't sound like a great decision to me. Moya has been playing great, if scores and reports and anything to go by. If this is just to appease Ferrero who has been sort of pissy all weekend... that's horrid reasoning.

If I was a captain, I wouldn't make this change. I mean, I have more faith in Moya than in Ferrero right now, to tell you the truth. However, Juan Carlos is my fav player, by far, and... oh... I'd be so happy if he could play and defeat Roddick... but I insist that, using my head, it looks definetly more logical to make Moya play.

Anyway, I don't think this change is gonna happen. These rumors don't look very "real", at least at this moment.

Nah that won't happen. Ferrero is bound to foook it up and you know how much I love him.

Or maybe they are playing with the Americans and will let Roddick win to let little Nadal get all the glory!! hehe

Yes, that's it! It's all a part of the grand conspiracy to make Nadal the Davis Cup hero :devil:

Erm.... this doesn't sound like a great decision to me. Moya has been playing great, if scores and reports and anything to go by. If this is just to appease Ferrero who has been sort of pissy all weekend... that's horrid reasoning.
They better not be doing this. But, this is merely a rumor, and I want sources before I'll believe anything.

interesting coz i would have said if he'd have been in for nadal! a 3 and hlaf hour match is a killer! either way still interesting! i'd have said carlos has a better chance of beating andy but obv i want andy to win so yeah i'd be happier with JC i love carlos and and JC but i gotta support the duck and fish myself!

either way will be a very interesting day, and i can't watch them coz i'm going to see blink tomorrow ahhhhhh!!!!!!! oh well will have to tape them and watch them as soon as i get back!

I don't like this idea at all. Ferrero hasn't been playing well in a long time, and Roddick showed a good fight against Nadal yesterday. Moyá should defenitly play tomorrow, not Ferrero!

that is just stupid if they do that. and i dont think anyone is that dumb to sub moya for jc. moya's been playing AMAZING... there's no way.

I cannot believe this...I know the G3 have been dickheads all weekend but this would really be too much. Unless there was something DRASTICALLY wrong with Carlos, I can't see how they woulld sub in JC...as it is his mental state is terrible (understandably), and Carlos had a pretty easy match on Friday so he would definitely be the first choice. Unless, as you say, they are gearing up to make Rafa the DC hero :rolleyes:

I don't like this idea at all. Ferrero hasn't been playing well in a long time, and Roddick showed a good fight against Nadal yesterday. Moyá should defenitly play tomorrow, not Ferrero!
I still very much doubt that this is actually true. I need proof, before I believe this. The idea is very stupid though, if they do this.

I agree with you, I think Moya is ready to play and he really wants to win this match. Plus right now he's in better form than JC, and as much as I adore JC, I think Moya should play this match!

When I think no more damage could be done to JC, i read the title of this thread. If JC loses to Roddick on clay, his confidence will go down even more. I am so sick of typing that sentence.

I dont think they would sub JCF for Moya....that would be dumb. This is just a rumor anyways and we have no sources, so I'm not gonna beleive anything of it yet...

Hey, maybe the G-3 are subbing Juanqui for Carlos in response to Mike Bryan replacing Pandy!! ;-)

robredo and ferrero were atrocious...why did spain even bother turing up if they were going to play like that?

a tired nadal and moya would have done better than that

Becoz they want to save Nadal's energy and sacrifice my favs! :rolleyes:

robredo and ferrero were atrocious...why did spain even bother turing up if they were going to play like that?

a tired nadal and moya would have done better than that

Because they were asked to and were professional enough to show up.

Because they were asked to and were professional enough to show up.

well said...I'm so sick of this Nadal/Moya hype...give these guys some credit...it would have been so hard for them

Well, in some spanish tennis forums they comment that. I couldn't believe that. But if it is real? The answer since 11.30 am (Spanish Time)

I hope it's not true.
VAMOS Carlos :banana:

I cannot believe this...I know the G3 have been dickheads all weekend but this would really be too much. Unless there was something DRASTICALLY wrong with Carlos, I can't see how they woulld sub in JC...as it is his mental state is terrible (understandably), and Carlos had a pretty easy match on Friday so he would definitely be the first choice. Unless, as you say, they are gearing up to make Rafa the DC hero :rolleyes:

Yep,I love Juan :inlove: but Moya is better than him.He maybe feels tired and his state....Also agree they would like to create the Spain hero Nadal, :rolleyes: I like this guy but I am sick of his name and all attention to him in media NOW!!! :armed::mad::fiery:

1 hr to the match...moya set to play roddick...ferrero may get to play if its a dead rubber...then again they might not even go ahead with the 5th

The match will start in an hrs time...Vamos!!!

Vamos, Carlos :) Lets end the DC right here; there's no need to go to a deciding rubber.

You must win OR I will cheer for USA!!! :rolleyes:

Vamos Moya!!! :rocker:

yeah, at last year's final they didn't play the dead rubber cos the presentation had already been done and no one could be bothered lol

What a load of tosh! They aren't going to substitute someone who actually knows what winning is like this year for someone who is struggling with confidence and a blister, and what's more, he didn't exactly inspire confidence yesterday did he?!!!

Moya will play the 4th rubber and the dead rubber will go to J-C if he wants it. I doubt he'll want to play it so I expect Robredo to play it instead against Fish. Then Fish might actually win a match on clay! :lol:

Why on earth would you think that Fish would beat Robredo on clay? Just because Robredo struggles with Roddick doesn't mean he can't beat anybody. He didn't fall into number 13 and win Barca by accident :p

I really hope this rumour isn't true. Don't get me wrong - I like J-C a lot, - but the way he played yesterday and his lack of match practice and fitness and confidence - I just can't believe they would even consider this unless Moya has an injury that no one knows about.

I agree Rosie, they will only play JC if Carlos is injured. Spain would rather win it in the fourth rubber than in a decisive rubber, where for instance Rafa could injure himself and the US would win. The G3 aren't THAT stupid!!!

The G3 aren't THAT stupid!!!

Yes they are.

hehe took the words right out of my mouth Liz!!!!!

Let's go Carlos!

Vamos Carlos :D
Vamos Rafa :D

:banana:

Good luck to Roddick......to keep this tie alive....then we can see some Nadal magic again!!!

thought the match starts at 12 noon
nothing to find about information

bp moya

moya breaks *1-0

Great start Carlos!!
VAMOS

vamos :bounce:

2-0* moya

2-0 :O

2-0 :D :D

another break :D

moya *3-0

3-0 :yeah:

Wow 3-0!

For those of you watching, is Andy out of form today? Why is he getting broken like this? :D

Moya making duck look silly :rolls:

dropshotting him, then lobbing him :rolls:

Wow 3-0!

For those of you watching, is Andy out of form today? Why is he getting broken like this? :D

moya is playing too good and has a couple of lucky net calls

moya is playing too good and has a couple of good net calls

does Roddick has any chance at all to win????

C'mon Carlos! Keep this up--no letting up!
Viva!

and this guy wants to be #2 in the world :rolleyes:

2 game points Moya :D

straight sets a good bet for those who are watching?

moya 4-0*

4-0 :banana:

yeah 4-0 ;)

does Roddick has any chance at all to win????


buckleys mate

did you end getting on nadal against roddick the other day?

from BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4069825.stm

Moya 3-0 Roddick
Moya embarrasses Roddick in one lengthy point in which he returns a smash, and then throws in a drop shot and a lob volley as the American scurries all over the court. The Spaniard goes on to break again.

Moya 2-0 Roddick
Moya looks in trouble at 15-30 but comes up with a running forehand pass to turn the game around, and closes with another drop shot.

Moya 1-0 Roddick
Roddick moves to 40-15 in his opening service game but, amid deafening whistling from the crowd of over 27,000, fails to close out and Moya fights back with two winners and a drop shot on his way to the break.

straight sets a good bet for those who are watching?


yeah i'd go with that, moya is playing some amazing tennis right now roddick has no answers

Man, Moya is killing him out there. :D

moya *4-1

yeah i'd go with that, moya is playing some amazing tennis right now roddick has no answers


done :yeah:


keep the commentary going fellas, it would be much appreciated

cheers!

its still early stages though
one set is still only 1 set be it 6-0 or 7-6

Carlos has to keep going

Well, there wont be any bagels. (damn)

buckleys mate

did you end getting on nadal against roddick the other day?

yup got Nadal at 2.2 live betting mid way thru first set.......have not commited on todays game yet....wanted to do Moya to win 3-0 at 3.25 but risky.......live betting Roddick is 5.5 very tempting.....

yup got Nadal at 2.2 live betting mid way thru first set.......have not commited on todays game yet....wanted to do Moya to win 3-0 at 3.25 but risky.......live betting Roddick is 5.5 very tempting.....


i wouldn't touch roddick until (if) he wins a set

bp saved duece moya

bp #2 and saved

ad moya

i wouldn't touch roddick until (if) he wins a set

that would be a surprise, this guy simply can't play on clay

moya 5-1*

bit of Careless Moya creeping in but he hangs on
5-1 :)

Vamos Carlos :banana:

roddick to love *5-2

:lol: this is just about goin the rightest way

Roddick holding serve now..... should be a more even contest in second set

errors creeping into moya

ue 0-15
df 0-30

Carlos serving for set. We all know what this means. :tape:

wayward shot long 2bp roddick

1 saved

duece

Come on Moya!

sp moya

set point :D

set point!

Vamos Carlos, serve it out!

back to deuce :mad:

lob just out by moya

duece

Hold Moya, come on now! :rolleyes:

sp #2

set point :bounce:

c'mon moya!

CARLOS :worship:
straight sets dudes:bounce:

1-0 :D

Carlos getting sloppy/edgy
be it what u call it but not clever....... giving Duck hope :o

Now that's more like it! ;)

Go Roddick!
I want Nadal to play in a live rubber ;)

:yeah:

first four games of set suggest a whitewash by Moya....but the next four games....Roddick held comfortably twice and Moya was force to save a couple of breakpoints.

This set was closer as the score is showing

First set:

Moya 6-2 Roddick
After his spectacular start Moya feels the nerves as he serves for the set, slipping to 15-40 with a wild forehand, but the Spaniard recovers to take the set when Roddick nets a forehand.

Moya 5-2 Roddick
A confident service game suggests Roddick might be in with a chance as the match progresses.

Moya 5-1 Roddick
Roddick earns two break points with some patient play but cannot convert and Moya holds on.

Moya 4-1 Roddick
Roddick finally gets off the mark but one blistering forehand return is a reminder that Moya is the man in control.

Moya 4-0 Roddick
The first set is turning into a clay-court lesson from Moya, with Roddick struggling with his footwork and failing to make any impact with his big forehand.

:woohoo: Continue Carlos. :)

Vamos Carlos, serve it out!
Naccchhooooo!

no chance for Nadal to decide it lol

Moya, I want a straight set victory! Allez, vamos!!!!! ;)

(I secretly want Nadal to decide it too, but I realize it's unlikely... and I don't want Carlos to lose anyways!)

Because they were asked to and were professional enough to show up. :yeah:

I don't want Carlos to loose either!!!

Vamos Carlos!!!! break!

Vamos Carlos, be the hero :banana:

Andy

cmon whoever is expecting carlos to lose is crazy

no chance for Nadal to decide it lol

really hard to say..this game is not like yesterdays one sided double's game

Come on Moya. Fight for the break! :p

A few pics

Andy
Thanks for caps, Nacho. Grrr @ my no coverage :angry:

surely not like y'day but lets see how far from it it will be

1-0 usa

cool pics! :D

Roddick improves as the match goes by

carlos having easy service game

Moya will remember their last meeting as he was serving for match and choked. He might start feeling the pressure.

40-15 carlos

40-30 carlos

Okay Moya, what are you doing here?? :rolleyes:

DEUCe....

ad moya

Ad Carlos

good luck CARLOS wrap it in 3, in style.
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no chance for Nadal to decide it lol

thank heavens for that...don't need even MORE hype

Why on earth would you think that Fish would beat Robredo on clay? Just because Robredo struggles with Roddick doesn't mean he can't beat anybody. He didn't fall into number 13 and win Barca by accident :p :worship:

these two arent winning any points off of their 1st serves

1-1 rodd to serve

Nice hold, Carlitos!

thank heavens for that...don't need even MORE hype
:p

these two arent winning any points off of their 1st serves

1-1 rodd to serve

carlos is hardly getting any first serves in

Roddick starting to look dangerous

scoareboard froze

Come on Moya!!! Fight!

It really sucks that I can't watch this match! :mad:

roddick 2-1*

C'mon Carlos, lets break him soon, to put this out of reach.

went from 0-0 to game rodd...
thanks reliable scoreboard

Roddick will pull this one out

does rodd look tired out there?

went from 0-0 to game rodd...
thanks reliable scoreboard

must be a quick succession of winners by oddick or UEs by Moya

does rodd look tired out there?

roddick is playing better atm 15-30 on moya's serve

15-30

Moya is falling into pieces

15-40 careless overhead smash hit it out

WOW! 15-40

maybe Moya has not fully recovered from his shoulder injury

Oh no, 2 break points... Vamos Carlos!!! :bounce:

1 saved

trouble now....got to start thinking of hedging i reckon

this could be a classic

1 saved

roddick slipped ...duece

deuce

c'mon carlos!

deuce!!! phew...

I realise Roddick winning is unlikely, but anything is possible! Moya is not the strongest mentally.
This final has been too predictable, it would be good to have some surprises.

40 all
Moya saved 2 bps :D

bp rodd