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Who will get the 8th berth in Shanghai

hhx
09-21-2002, 09:58 AM
Now Sampras has 35 points ahead of Johansson, while the latter seems to play more in the remaining of the season.

Tryphon
09-21-2002, 10:27 AM
Isn't Thomas injured anyway? :(

TheBoiledEgg
09-21-2002, 10:59 AM
I don't see Costa finishing in top 7 either so Pete just needs to overtake him, and i think he will when the Masters-Series comes.

Madrid should have made it indoor clay ;)

Jorge
09-21-2002, 11:31 AM
the rankings are useless this time. The rules of the masters cup says that if one winner of a grandslam ends the season inside the top 20, he has his berth clinched to compete in the masters cup, so even if Johannson, Costa and Sampras finishes the year out from the top 8, they will be playing in Shanghai.
Hewitt is the exception, surely Agassi will be there. so the fight for the Sixth, seventh and eighth spot will be rough between Marat, Tim, Ferrero, Moyá, Haas, Andy, Roger, and even Jiri Novak is not too far away.
Cañas won't be there because is injured, and the rest of the players are too far.
:cool:

TheBoiledEgg
09-21-2002, 12:19 PM
Jorge you are wrong

Only if they finish inside top 7 are you guaranteed a spot in Shanghai
if the slam winners finish outside the top 7 then the highest ranked one will qualify for Shanghai.

hhx
09-21-2002, 12:45 PM
The top seven finishers in the ATP Champions Race qualify for the Tennis Masters Cup. The eighth place will go to the highest-placed Grand Slam champion who finishes between eighth and 20th.

Roland Garros champion Albert Costa (393) is currently locked in a three-way tie for fifth place. US champion Pete Sampras (347) is 12th in the Race. Australian Open champion Thomas Johansson (312), who missed the US Open due to injury, is in 14th place.

However, i saw Johansson has committed Moscow, Lyon and Madrid while Sampras only committed Madrid at the moment.

TheBoiledEgg
09-21-2002, 01:46 PM
Pete will play Basel and Paris too

Daniel
09-21-2002, 02:38 PM
mmm COsta :) ;)

Vera
09-21-2002, 05:27 PM
When's Pete's baby due, doesn't he has to attend to the baby???

Well. Pete is beccoming unpredictable. Normally, with the indoor season coming, I'll say he has a good chance overtaking Costa. But he didn't do much last year after USO. He won this year so maybe there's some extra motivation.

Everyone is playing Basel, it's gonna be tough. But then, between Madrid and Paris, what you gonna do, fly back to American in between? I wonder if Agassi is gonna join the Basel group later.

Anyway, I'll still put my money on Costa. Not because I think he will get anywhere from here. Just that Pete might pull out in any 3 of the tourneys remained because of the baby thing. Hey, I can't imagine him not sticking around with his first baby, but I might be wrong.

ys
09-21-2002, 07:00 PM
When's Pete's baby due, doesn't he has to attend to the baby???

Yes, he has to.. If it is his baby. But if it is not, he might opt for Masters..

Jessi
09-21-2002, 07:10 PM
LOL@ys! :D

kalforpete
09-21-2002, 10:04 PM
When's Pete's baby due, doesn't he has to attend to the baby???

Well. Pete is beccoming unpredictable. Normally, with the indoor season coming, I'll say he has a good chance overtaking Costa. But he didn't do much last year after USO. He won this year so maybe there's some extra motivation.



Vera,

I haven't seen an exact date the baby is due, but one article I read said a month before the AO. Most just say towards the end of the year. My guess is around the end of November toward the middle of December. If that's the case, than the Masters Cup will have already been played.

Pete usually plays two or three tourneys before the Masters Cup, even if he has already qualified for the MC, which this year, he hasn't. When he played in a tourney last year, forgot which one it was, and lost to Mirnyi with a "dead arm" which caused him to not be able to serve (Anyone who saw that match would have seen Pete serving under 100 mph on every serve) , he went home and had his shoulder seen about. It turned out he had a weak rotator cuff. He withdrew from all the tournaments he was scheduled to play and didn't try to qualify for the Masters Cup which he had still been in contention for. He worked on rehabilitating his rotator cuff all during the winter months (got that info from Johnny Mac commentating during the USO-though I had already known about the rotator cuff problem).

He is on the committment lists for Madrid, Paris and Basel. Since he has no points to defend, if he does half way decent, he may end up qualifying for the Masters Cup.

Vera
09-21-2002, 10:09 PM
Oh, thx for the info. I don't quite follow Pete so I didn't know what happen last year, only remember that he didn't make much splash. Well, in that case (and since the baby is due December), then I will change my pick to Pete, for sure he will do better indoor than Costa. But kinda want Costa to be in though, since it's probably his last chance. Well, last chance for Johansson too but he's still having that injury.

BTW, Andre won't be playing Basel, cos I just found that he's committed to St. Petersburg at the same week.

kalforpete
09-21-2002, 10:17 PM
Fiddlesticks!! Wish Andre was playing Basel. Pete always plays better when he gets the chance to play Andre. Oh, well, there's still a lot of other good players he can continue to gather confidence from by beating them. Hopefully anyway! Gonna be interesting to see how he does after winning the USO.

tennischick
09-24-2002, 03:04 AM
as long as the Android is shut out of Shanghai, i can live with that...:angel: :angel:

kalforpete
09-24-2002, 04:31 AM
TC,

I wouldn't count Pete out of Shanghai just yet. He's the best carpet player around. Or he used to be. Now we'll just have to wait and see how much of the "in form" Pete we saw at the USO still exists.

Either way, he can only gain points while the others ahead of him can lose if they don't defend points from last year.

Chloe le Bopper
09-24-2002, 04:48 AM
Either way, he can only gain points while the others ahead of him can lose if they don't defend points from last year.

This is totally irrelevant in terms of the champions race positions, where they can all do nothing but gain.

Seeing as the race determines who will be in the final 8, that is all that matters for this discussion really.

claudine140
09-24-2002, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by kalforpete
TC,

I wouldn't count Pete out of Shanghai just yet. He's the best carpet player around. Or he used to be. Now we'll just have to wait and see how much of the "in form" Pete we saw at the USO still exists.

Either way, he can only gain points while the others ahead of him can lose if they don't defend points from last year.

It is not the entry list who counts for the participation of the masterscup, but the championlist. And in that list you can only earn points, but not loose points.
So if Sampras doesn't earn points during the next tournements he wont get more points and could be passed by other players.

Mimi
09-24-2002, 07:31 AM
who is Android :confused:

TheBoiledEgg
09-24-2002, 09:22 AM
Android =Pete

both the entry list and Champions Race should correspond with each other at end of season but it doesn't happen.
players with Challenger results near top level stuff that up but those Challenger pts don't count on race.

last yr there was still some mishaps with pts tallies
even this yr they did some major cockups

tennischick
09-24-2002, 01:10 PM
kalforpete: the Android was only "in form" in New York bec he could smell some eau d'Agassi waiting for him at the end of the draw. if Agassi plays in any tourny with him between now and Shanghai, that is his only hope for getting there. ;) ;)

dots
09-24-2002, 07:15 PM
In other words... Andre is Pete's BITCH!!!!!:D :D :D

Mimi
09-25-2002, 09:40 AM
my english is no good, does it mean pete is andre's killer, used to beat him :confused:

dots
09-25-2002, 03:08 PM
Hi MIMI :D :D


Correct Mimi, Pete has defeated Andre so many times over the years that he practically owns him. :eek:

dbc
09-25-2002, 07:17 PM
At the end of the year, once the Masters Finals points have been taken off, the top positions on the C'Ship Race & the Entry system are usually the same. Challengers are not counted for the Race but no-one can get to the top of the Race with Challenger events.
When it comes to where they are all playing in the next few weeks, basically unless they get to the semis or finals & improve on 1 of their 5 best t'ments throughout the year, they are not counted. Therefore the only important results are what they do in Madrid & Paris as all points, even if they go out in the 1st or 2nd round, are counted. In fact you occasionally get players pulling out at the last minute if they feel they are too tired as they know that unless they actually get to the final it will make no difference to their points.
The players will play a couple of the other t'ments mostly to get the indoor court match practice before the 2 Masters tments.

Mimi
09-26-2002, 08:07 AM
thanks dots :D

but i don't think sampras totally dominated agassi coz agassi also had 14 wins :)

irma
09-26-2002, 11:28 AM
I now know why petey always turns up when andre is his opponent. Andre called him a one day fly after us open 90 :D

tennischick
09-26-2002, 01:31 PM
lol@ irma!!! i musta missed that one. a one-day fly!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! so fricking true...;) ;)

tennischick
09-27-2002, 02:53 AM
Reuters
Thursday, September 26, 2002; 4:30 PM

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Australian Open winner Thomas Johansson plans to return to the men's professional tennis tour by entering the $1 million Moscow indoor tournament next week, the Swedish TT news agency reported on Thursday.

Johansson, 27, has been out of action since early August when he lost in the first round at Cincinnati, suffering with the effects of an aching shoulder.

Medical examinations showed the Swede, who has slid down to 14th in the ATP rankings, had torn a muscle.

Johansson underwent a test on Thursday and declared himself fit for a comeback.

"I have practiced the whole week and it has felt great. Even the serve sits perfectly," TT quoted Johansson as saying.

"Now I'll do everything to earn a place in the Masters," he said, referring to the mid-November $3.7 million event for the world's seven top players plus the best placed of any of the year's Grand Slam winners ranked between 8th and 20th.

To succeed, Johansson would have to overtake Pete Sampras, the 2002 U.S. Open champion who is currently 12th in the rankings, 35 ATP points in front.

TheBoiledEgg
09-27-2002, 02:58 AM
they both have to overtake Costa in most likely scenario

as there is more chances of pigs flying than Costa finishing in Top 7

TennisHack
09-27-2002, 03:02 AM
Good luck, Thomas! I've missed seeing his name on acceptance lists :( I hope he finds a way to get to the Masters Cup, even if he doesn't do very well.