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Gonzil
02-19-2011, 10:16 PM
Good for Frank, disappointing for Peter.

I am sort of wondering how things are going to go on the DC team, now that Milos is suddenly such a star. I am sure the others are happy for him, but there could be awkwardness with him being so far ahead of them, and younger. Especially Frank finds himself no longer Canada's best hope/#1 as he is used to being for so long. Anyway I hope they all adjust elegantly to the new landscape.

d_s
02-19-2011, 11:40 PM
Good for Frank, disappointing for Peter.

I am sort of wondering how things are going to go on the DC team, now that Milos is suddenly such a star. I am sure the others are happy for him, but there could be awkwardness with him being so far ahead of them, and younger. Especially Frank finds himself no longer Canada's best hope/#1 as he is used to being for so long. Anyway I hope they all adjust elegantly to the new landscape.

Hopefully Milos' recent results can work as motivation to the rest of the Canadians instead. I'm sure they all wish they could be the ones achieving what Milos has so it could push them to work harder. I really like the way Canadian tennis is looking right now, on the men's side and women's side as well.

Emeraldhands
02-19-2011, 11:56 PM
I could see in a few years us talking about who they should take to Davis Cup, Peter might get the upper hand because it is on Clay, but I see him as the #3 right now because of his poor play after the AO. I wonder if Duclos is in Acapulco because he will be the back-up player for the Canadians. He also put up a good fight today but ultimately (and this seems to be the case with all Canadians) couldn't keep his serve at the end of those sets.

letshavefun3
02-20-2011, 03:29 AM
Adil's playing doubles in Delray (WC for him and James) but faces the number 2 seed of Isner/Querey!

RogerExpress
02-20-2011, 11:35 PM
Guys player forum request is open, I think Milos will get his own forum as easy as someone open a poll, but you should try to get a canadian one. You surpassed the limit of 5000 post in the old thread and now have 754 posts in near 40 days (an average of almost 19 per day), also there are a lot of users that post here regularly and, in my opinion, you have great chances to reach Davis Cup World Group next year

Gonzil
02-21-2011, 01:10 AM
Thanks for the hint, RogerExpress.

I have made the request at http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=177723 (shamelessly using some of your arguments).

Please head over and vote and comment.

Blarghman
02-21-2011, 06:28 PM
More good news regarding Canadian tennis coverage; it looks like Sportsnet will broadcast our upcoming Davis Cup tie with Mexico. :cool:

I actually remember watching the last tie that was broadcast; Canada-Brazil in '03, with that famous Nestor-Kuerten match. Think it was on the score, if I rememeber right.

Sadder news is it looks like Frank is done, down a set and a couple of breaks to Falla.

Smoke944
02-21-2011, 08:39 PM
Anyone know why Pospisil withdrew from the first futures?

Gonzil
02-21-2011, 10:46 PM
For those interested, there is a video of the post-win interview with Nestor and Mirnyi. I enjoyed hearing a bit more from Nestor than we usually get. He was asked about Canadian tennis (of course).

http://racquetrequired.blogspot.com/2011/02/max-mirnyi-daniel-nestor-memphis-post.html

letshavefun3
02-22-2011, 12:03 AM
Anyone know why Pospisil withdrew from the first futures?

Maybe he's going down to Mexico for the Davis Cup action that week? Maybe as an alternate?

Emeraldhands
02-22-2011, 12:07 AM
That is what I was thinking as well, he will probably be an alternate for the team, or probably a practice partner, is it possible that either Frank or Peter won't make it.

letshavefun3
02-22-2011, 01:11 AM
Well Adils doubles draw just got sweeter... He is now facing an ALT team first round instead of #2 seeds isner/querrey!

letshavefun3
02-22-2011, 02:00 AM
Well on Vasek's Facebook page, he says he's now in Boca Rotan so who knows what he's up to.

Gonzil
02-22-2011, 11:43 PM
So DC team has been announced. No surprises: Nestor, Dancevic, Polansky, Raonic.

The Mexican team is ... well, I am not sure I had heard of any of them. Highest ranked is 439. http://www.daviscup.com/en/results/tie/details.aspx?tieId=100016204

Hope our guys have fun.

Blarghman
02-23-2011, 12:07 AM
So DC team has been announced. No surprises: Nestor, Dancevic, Polansky, Raonic.

The Mexican team is ... well, I am not sure I had heard of any of them. Highest ranked is 439. http://www.daviscup.com/en/results/tie/details.aspx?tieId=100016204

Hope our guys have fun.

No Santiago Gonzalez? Otherwise, it's not surprising to see the Mexicans outmatched, they don't really have any depth. I guess Echagaray is retired, he's the only other Mexican player I could think of. :shrug: Frankly, if we can't make the WG PO this season, it will be a real disaster, these ties are a dream draw.

Gonzil
02-23-2011, 12:19 AM
There's also Cesar Ramirez, who was a doubles partner of Pospisil in juniors (they made the AO finals). He was ranked #3 in juniors at one point but on the pro tour is nothing special - CH 431. Still he would be ranked higher than others playing, but I guess he is injured as he hasn't played since a retirement in Jan.

Snowwy
02-23-2011, 12:24 AM
Should be an easy win. Who is singles #2? I think they should go..

Milos
Peter
Frank/Nestor
Milos
Frank

big_j_tennis
02-23-2011, 12:55 AM
Don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but Erik is playing another futures in Australian, and he is seeded...

big_j_tennis
02-23-2011, 12:56 AM
They should destroy Mexico in DC...

Gonzil
02-23-2011, 01:14 AM
You have to factor in that Peter will no doubt get sick, it being Davis Cup. [By saying this I assume I am preventing him from getting sick.]

BTW Shamasdin sadly lost, despite getting the alt team.

letshavefun3
02-24-2011, 03:38 PM
So Eric is playing in an australia futures tournament this week and he is in the doubles final and has made it to the QF so far in singles. He's also entered in another futures event in Oz next week.

Emeraldhands
02-25-2011, 12:18 AM
I'm really excited about our young NTC guys playing this week and next to see if they have progressed any in the last few months.

Snowwy
02-25-2011, 02:21 AM
Where are they playing?

Emeraldhands
02-25-2011, 02:42 AM
I would assume most of them would be in the Canada Futures events

Snowwy
02-25-2011, 11:00 AM
Oh right, I forgot that was already here.

letshavefun3
02-25-2011, 10:23 PM
So Erik lost to some guy ranked in the 900s but won the doubles.

Emeraldhands
02-26-2011, 12:52 AM
The qualifying draw for F1 just came out and I don't see anyone really making it. Peliwo will get Harrison in the second round and ya that about sums up the draws. Di Feo probably has the best chance of making it.

Emeraldhands
02-26-2011, 12:59 AM
I see all of our NTC guys are out in the Qualy draw, so who the hell got the wildcards? I assume Pavel will get one but who will get the other three?

letshavefun3
02-26-2011, 02:06 AM
I know Ahmed El-Tabakh (Heidi's brother) was on the list, maybe he got a MDWC

Snowwy
02-26-2011, 04:49 AM
Berard will qualify

GasquetGulbis
02-26-2011, 05:36 AM
The qualifying draw for F1 just came out and I don't see anyone really making it. Peliwo will get Harrison in the second round and ya that about sums up the draws. Di Feo probably has the best chance of making it.

Ya.... I'm think Di Feo is going to lose first round. I don't think Berard will qualify either. I really don't see any Canadians qualifying, without injury that is. Rotaru might make the last round, but I doubt he'll get in, Monette could make the last round too.

GasquetGulbis
02-27-2011, 12:40 AM
Apparently I was wrong about Di Feo though, as he cruised through the first round. Vierya did too, but he was playing a Wildcard.

Dudisela75
02-27-2011, 12:42 AM
There are 13 canadians in round 2 of qualifying. Pajkowski vs. Desrochers is the only all canadian match up.

Dudisela75
02-27-2011, 12:44 AM
of round 2

Dudisela75
02-27-2011, 01:12 AM
There are 13 canadians in round 2 of qualifying. Pajkowski vs. Desrochers is the only all canadian match up.

14

Emeraldhands
02-28-2011, 12:29 AM
Well three of our NTC guys (don't know if Vierya is still there) have made it to the final round of qualifying. I think the guy to watch is going to be Di Feo. He has really improved over the last year. Let's just hope he keeps progressing at this pace and not fizzle out the way Edward has in the last few years. Even Filip hasn't really shown any improvement this year. Hugo is really coming out of nowhere in the last year, and is probably our best 95 player right now. Brayden Schnur, I believe is training in Florida from what I remember reading in one of these posts earlier last year so don't know what is happening there. Filip Obucina has really gone MIA in the last year.

One player from the 95 bracket that was tagged a long time ago by Mayagaller on this very thread and said that he had a sweet game was Martin Beran. When Mayagaller mentioned him a few years ago, he wasn't doing much but now he seems to be coming into his own. He might be injured as he pulled out of F1 qualifying after making it to the U18 Selection #2 final the weak before and retired.

Other than those four guys there doesn't to be any other promising guys from the 95 bracket unless you guys know something. One guy that I would like to know more about is Tim Portnov who beat Tabilo last year for the Under 14 I believe? He plays all the way in BC I think and seems to be the next big thing from BC after Bester, Pospisil and Haessig. Is he a 96 or 97 B-Day?

Dudisela75
02-28-2011, 01:05 AM
4 canadians though

letshavefun3
02-28-2011, 05:47 PM
Have you guys heard that Nestor isn't playing in Davis cup? Details are fuzzy but I read this at opencourt.ca twitter

Emeraldhands
02-28-2011, 05:59 PM
Who would take his place? Is that why vasek was close by?

letshavefun3
02-28-2011, 06:34 PM
Well adil isn't playing this week so maybe he could as well .

FormerRafaFan
02-28-2011, 07:19 PM
Who would take his place? Is that why vasek was close by?

I read that Vasek would be the alternative, yes... well, according to Open Court.

Emeraldhands
02-28-2011, 07:22 PM
What is taking so long for the Main Draw of Canada F1 to come out? I'm excited to see who is playing against who. Hopefully our Canadian hopefuls get decent draw and would like to see two of them get drawn against eachother.

Snowwy
02-28-2011, 07:50 PM
Erik is the third seed in Australia

Dudisela75
02-28-2011, 07:54 PM
According to Tennis Canada Monette and Di Feo Qualified

dancy_fan
02-28-2011, 09:06 PM
Have you guys heard that Nestor isn't playing in Davis cup? Details are fuzzy but I read this at opencourt.ca twitter
-Yes Nestor is not playing Davis Cup. Vasek is 4th Davis Cup player!

big_j_tennis
02-28-2011, 09:28 PM
Ok so there are 7 canadians in the F1 main draw.
Monette and Di Feo who qualified, bester (2nd seed) and 4 wildcards (Donato, Krainik, El Tabakh and Niaki)

big_j_tennis
02-28-2011, 09:34 PM
First round meetings :
Monette (Q; UNR) vs. Blake Strode (614)
Di Feo(Q; UNR) vs. Nikita Kryvonos (Q; 1070)
Clay Donato (WC; UNR) vs. Julien Dubail (7; 501)
Pavel Krainik (WC; 1416) vs. Romain Arneodo (Q; 1076)
Ahmed El Tabakh (WC; 1439) vs. Charles-Antoine Brezac (3; 322)
Mo Niaki (WC; 1428) vs. Darian King (Q; 1235)
Philip Bester (2; 256) vs. Nima Roshan (761)

GasquetGulbis
02-28-2011, 09:48 PM
Hmmmm, I think that Krainik, Niaki and Bester can make the 2nd round, maybe if Di Feo is playing out of his mind than he might be able to beat Kryvonos. Bester should be able to reach the final, and win it.

big_j_tennis
02-28-2011, 10:01 PM
How good is Donato? I dont know much about him?

Snowwy
02-28-2011, 10:14 PM
Donato was ranked about 4 years ago, then he went to school.

Why is Nestor not playing.

Emeraldhands
02-28-2011, 10:19 PM
Man I can't believe those two young guys managed to qualify for the main draw. Monette did it without losing a set, and Di Feo beat two seeds to get in which is amazing. Pulled out a tough three setter there in the end. As far as Canadians in the main draw? I can only see Philip making a real run to the title here.

Emeraldhands
02-28-2011, 10:22 PM
Maybe he feels like Canada is going to win it easily and is giving other guys a chance to represent the country of if might have a nagging injury that needs rest for the two 1000's coming up.

156mphserve
02-28-2011, 10:44 PM
I wouldn't mind having Vasek and Shamsdin play the doubles, of course that would mean leaving one of Frank or Peter off the squad, but they tie is likely to be done by Saturday and the one who wouldn't get named can play the dead rubber:shrug:. Vasek and Adil played in Dallas last year together and won it if my memory serves correct(which it probably doesn't:lol:), and have played other times as well I believe.

Gonzil
03-01-2011, 01:37 AM
I am really happy Vasek gets his chance to play Davis Cup.

big_j_tennis
03-01-2011, 12:03 PM
I am really happy Vasek gets his chance to play Davis Cup.

So its official?

By the way, Vasek has already played Davis Cup, he played a dead rubber against Mexico in Calgary a few years ago and lost in three sets.

GasquetGulbis
03-02-2011, 12:09 AM
Di Feo and Monette won their doubles today!

letshavefun3
03-02-2011, 01:03 AM
I wonder why Bester pulled out of doubles!

Gonzil
03-02-2011, 01:58 AM
So its official?

By the way, Vasek has already played Davis Cup, he played a dead rubber against Mexico in Calgary a few years ago and lost in three sets.

No, I don't think it is official. Last I saw Laurendeau said that Nestor had not arrived and it was not known whether he would play or not.

I know Vasek was on the team before, but he has never played a live rubber, although he came so close last year before being pushed aside for Diez. He deserves a chance. (And I have a soft spot for Vasek).

valexie03
03-02-2011, 02:53 PM
It's official, Vasek will replace Nestor.

http://tennisconnected.com/home/2011/03/02/pospisil-to-replace-nestor-on-canadas-davis-cup-team/

FormerRafaFan
03-02-2011, 07:17 PM
Very off topic, but I can't believe your guys beat our guys in skiing.. wow!

What a crappy day for Norway.. only one silver, one bronze and one 4th place :(

ibreak4coffee
03-02-2011, 07:45 PM
Very off topic, but I can't believe your guys beat our guys in skiing.. wow!

What a crappy day for Norway.. only one silver, one bronze and one 4th place :(

You'll kill us at the next Olympics, don't worry

FormerRafaFan
03-02-2011, 09:38 PM
You'll kill us at the next Olympics, don't worry

I have to admit, I was kinda happy to see Canada win.. I mean, I wanted Norway to win, Northug and Hattestad, but it was refreshing to see a country outside of the Nordic countries win. And I hope this will give a boost to cross country skiing in Canada.

Emeraldhands
03-02-2011, 09:39 PM
We're starting to get alot of high profile athletes in alot of sports now.

Gonzil
03-02-2011, 11:13 PM
I have to admit, I was kinda happy to see Canada win.. I mean, I wanted Norway to win, Northug and Hattestad, but it was refreshing to see a country outside of the Nordic countries win. And I hope this will give a boost to cross country skiing in Canada.

Glad to hear that you can see the bright side, sokk. I thought of you after learning of our guys' terrific win. Imagine beating the Norwegians at their own sport. Of course they had to take the last couple of days in order to rest up - not sure if that is considered a little suspect. But worth it, for sure.

Gonzil
03-02-2011, 11:17 PM
Tom Tebbutt is doing a blog from Mexico for DC.

http://www.lovemeansnothing.ca/blog/live-from-mexico

I am not sure why he is so obsessed with the availability of international fast food chains. I couldn't work out whether he considers it good or bad to have them close by. Who is paying for this trip? - I hope Tennis Canada is not paying the whole thing.

It sounds like the Mexicans are working hard to make things difficult for our guys - as high as possible and a hard court converted to clay on the quick.

Gonzil
03-03-2011, 01:17 AM
Bester is the only Canadian to get through to round 2 in the Montreal Futures. Not unexpected. Good effort by Samuel Monette, losing 7-5-, 6-4.

Hopefully Bester can keep the flag flying.

Emeraldhands
03-03-2011, 02:21 AM
I think our two young guys gave a pretty good showing of themselves today, I mean compared to some of the older Canadians and those that received wildcards. Di Feo lost 4 and 4 but this is against a guy that was in the top 400 not long ago and let's not forget that he doesn't turn 16 for another few weeks.

d_s
03-03-2011, 04:55 AM
Not unexpected but I was hoping some of the other guys could have managed wins. The scores show that they were close though. I definitely think Di Feo's and Monette's showing this week should make them deserving of a WC for next week over some players that had WCs this week.

GasquetGulbis
03-03-2011, 11:17 AM
Not unexpected but I was hoping some of the other guys could have managed wins. The scores show that they were close though. I definitely think Di Feo's and Monette's showing this week should make them deserving of a WC for next week over some players that had WCs this week.

I agree, I say Krainik, Monette and di Feo get wildcards next week. I'm actually really surprised Krainik couldn't pick up any points this week. He just needs a few more to break out of becoming a Qualifying futures player, and become a regular futures player.

Snowwy
03-03-2011, 02:34 PM
I agree, I say Krainik, Monette and di Feo get wildcards next week. I'm actually really surprised Krainik couldn't pick up any points this week. He just needs a few more to break out of becoming a Qualifying futures player, and become a regular futures player.

Well Krainik isn't very good, so its not overly surprising.

RogerExpress
03-03-2011, 07:05 PM
Dancevic will play first rubber against Daniel Garza, I thought Polansky would be the singles 2, anyway if Frank is fit Canada should be 2-0 after 1st day. After first rubber Milos will face Manuel Sanchez, this guy lost in 3 set against Ivan Navarro last week in Acapulco 1st round

FormerRafaFan
03-03-2011, 08:00 PM
We're starting to get alot of high profile athletes in alot of sports now.

Yep :)

Read this article? it is really good: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/scottrussell/2011/03/canadas-wide-world-of-sport.html

Snowwy
03-03-2011, 10:24 PM
Erik and Philip both into the QFs of their respective events.

Gonzil
03-03-2011, 10:29 PM
Diez, meanwhile, lost once again 2nd round. Really he has got to break this habit.

Emeraldhands
03-03-2011, 10:34 PM
I'm surprised that Peter is not even playing any of the matches and if it is 3-1 after 4 they might not even play a fifth rubber. Shows how far Peter has fallen in the last few months when he isn't even considered when the tie is on clay.

FormerRafaFan
03-03-2011, 10:42 PM
I'm surprised that Peter is not even playing any of the matches and if it is 3-1 after 4 they might not even play a fifth rubber. Shows how far Peter has fallen in the last few months when he isn't even considered when the tie is on clay.

Well, isn't Frank the #2 Canadian now? it's only natural they'd pick him over Peter, right? and it seems like Frank is in a pretty good form lately, while Peter.. not so much.

Snowwy
03-03-2011, 10:50 PM
Well, isn't Frank the #2 Canadian now? it's only natural they'd pick him over Peter, right? and it seems like Frank is in a pretty good form lately, while Peter.. not so much.

Our captain has to go, and with Canada becoming more of a force in DC in the upcoming years hopefully, I think he will. He makes dumb choice after dumb choice. Choices that you cannot even come close to defending.

Frank sucks on clay and in fact hasn't played on clay since May 2009, losing to Lisnard. His match before last on clay was in May 2008.

When the DC coach also coaches one if the countries players, it seems to me to be a slight conflict of interest and again we see that Martin Laurendeau should NOT be Canada's DC coach.

d_s
03-03-2011, 11:38 PM
Regardless of how Peter's playing right now I thought he should've been the #2 singles... Hopefully Frank doesn't blow this.

letshavefun3
03-04-2011, 01:03 AM
Interesting, Vasek made it into the qualies list for Indian Wells but just chose to withdraw to play the second futures in Canada that week. Probably a good choice.

Blarghman
03-04-2011, 01:42 AM
Hmm, definitely surprising to see Frank and Milos as the singles players when Peter is the only one with any regular clay experience. Shouldn't make a difference, given that Mexico's lineup is pretty weak, but still doesn't seem a very good decision.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 02:11 AM
I don't think we have all the information we would need to decide whether or not it is a good idea to play Frank over Peter. I agree that on the face of it it is surprising, but I would expect the captain to take into account how the players were performing in the training, and we don't know that. For all we know, Frank may have been playing much better than Peter.

In any case, I hope Frank wins. It is a l--o---n--g time since he has won a DC rubber on clay.

Snowwy
03-04-2011, 02:18 AM
Just like when Diez was playing better last year? And Agostinelli? Sure he won, but WTF was he doing on the team, it was a luck victory. This is not a one off odd choice, it happens every year.

156mphserve
03-04-2011, 03:12 AM
I think Peter will get the doubles match if we're up 2-0 after Friday, I mean we're pretty much a lock to win anyway, I think we'll try to get all the guys some action. If not, then he'll play a Sunday dead rubber, assuming we'll have the tie wrapped up by then

GasquetGulbis
03-04-2011, 03:27 AM
I think Peter will get the doubles match if we're up 2-0 after Friday, I mean we're pretty much a lock to win anyway, I think we'll try to get all the guys some action. If not, then he'll play a Sunday dead rubber, assuming we'll have the tie wrapped up by then

I think Peter will only play in a dead singles rubber.

nellis_lv
03-04-2011, 06:25 AM
Anyone know how I can watch the Canada vs. Mexico matches?

I saw that sportsnet.ca is going to air them but you have to be a canuckstan to watch on their site.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 02:47 PM
Just like when Diez was playing better last year? And Agostinelli? Sure he won, but WTF was he doing on the team, it was a luck victory. This is not a one off odd choice, it happens every year.

I am not defending Laurendeau - I have myself wondered at some points whether he was mentally unhinged. I am just saying that we don't know enough to reach a conclusive decision on his competence. For example, on Diez, maybe that was just Laurendeau being crazy, but I have also wondered whether he was pressured by Tennis Canada to make him play, because of the conditions under which they had purchased Diez (e.g. they agreed to pay him X $, and by paying him some through DC they saved some money).

FormerRafaFan
03-04-2011, 03:32 PM
When will the Canada vs. Mexico DC tie start? and where can I see it?

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 03:43 PM
Sokk - its about to start.

Updates please - cant watch the Sportsnet feed here in the US

Watching the Roddick-Massu match right now, commentators just mentioned that Canada was about to start their Davis Cup with the new phenom Milos Raonic - they are scared of us ;)

FormerRafaFan
03-04-2011, 03:59 PM
Sokk - its about to start.

Updates please - cant watch the Sportsnet feed here in the US

Watching the Roddick-Massu match right now, commentators just mentioned that Canada was about to start their Davis Cup with the new phenom Milos Raonic - they are scared of us ;)

LOL.. too funny about Raonic!

I can't watch either.. this sucks, cuz I really wanted to see Milos play. But I guess they only stream the World Group ties, right?

Blarghman
03-04-2011, 04:15 PM
Hopefully Sportsnet adds some on screen scoring; I'm watching at work, and my computer doesn't have sound.

FormerRafaFan
03-04-2011, 04:19 PM
Hopefully Sportsnet adds some on screen scoring; I'm watching at work, and my computer doesn't have sound.

Who is playing now? Milos or Frank?

Blarghman
03-04-2011, 04:20 PM
Who is playing now? Milos or Frank?

Frank v. Garza. On serve at 1-1.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 04:22 PM
Dancevic up 2-1 with a break. Held to love.

Commentators talking too much.

Blarghman
03-04-2011, 04:24 PM
Haha, maybe it's good that I don't have sound, then. Especially since they added a score graphic :cool:

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 04:26 PM
Commentators confused by score which is written backwards. Thought Dancevic was facing breakpoints. They should actually watch the tennis.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 04:28 PM
Double break, 4-1.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 04:37 PM
5-2.

Frank looks pretty comfortable out there. Both players finding the ball flying further than expected due to altitude.

Garza has an unexpected physique for a tennis player - he looks somewhat short and fat. But maybe it is partly his clothes which are not flattering him.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 04:40 PM
1st set to Canada, 6-2, on a relaxed smash.

Frank taken to deuce on one service game, but otherwise very much in control on serve.

FormerRafaFan
03-04-2011, 04:44 PM
Thanks for the update, guys :)

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 04:55 PM
5-2.

Frank looks pretty comfortable out there. Both players finding the ball flying further than expected due to altitude.

Garza has an unexpected physique for a tennis player - he looks somewhat short and fat. But maybe it is partly his clothes which are not flattering him.

The Mexican Nicolas Almagro?

Good to see from Frank. Let's hope there's no let down in the second set.

Thanks for the updates :)

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 05:08 PM
Mexico 4-3 in second, no breakpoints. Frank looking a bit more sloppy in some points.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 05:17 PM
And Frankie breaks, 5-4. Some nice shots in that game.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 05:23 PM
2nd set, 6-4, on an ace. He had to save a BP in that game.

Crowd has got some Mexico chants going now.

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 05:25 PM
C'mon Frank!

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 05:28 PM
Frankie breaks at love to begin the 3rd set. A couple of lovely passing shots.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 05:31 PM
oopsie, he gives the break back with a DF.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 05:40 PM
Frank has now lost 4 consecutive games and is down 1-4. Too many UFEs.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 05:50 PM
Garza wins 3rd set 6-2.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 06:10 PM
big fuss in 3rd game. Umpire called Garza ball out serving at 0-30, Mexican team argued, and umpire reversed his call, Canadian team very mad. A member of the Canadian bench was escorted off the court.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 06:14 PM
oh it was Galo Blanco that had to leave. He's really getting into the Canadian spirit. Frank down 1-4. He seems overwhelmed.

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 06:17 PM
oh it was Galo Blanco that had to leave. He's really getting into the Canadian spirit. Frank down 1-4. He seems overwhelmed.

:banghead:

156mphserve
03-04-2011, 06:18 PM
that was a BS call, serve was called in, umpire looked at the mark, then said it was out, how can he change the call after Mexico argues? It doesn't make sense, if it was out the first time he looked at the mark, how can it be in when you look at it again? Pathetic:rolleyes:

canuckfan
03-04-2011, 06:30 PM
When did Frank turn into such a pusher? It's hard to push when you miss every third shot...

On the other hand the Mexican is serving and volleying :rolleyes:

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 06:30 PM
4th set to Garza, 6-3. Frank being beaten by his nerves once again, sad to say. Garza though is playing good aggressive tennis, few errors, good serving.

RogerExpress
03-04-2011, 06:46 PM
Garza serving 2-1 in 5th set. I'm watching the match here http://www.fromsportcom.com/v-2/0/36/v-203702.html

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 06:48 PM
3-2, Frank down a break. Garza playing very confidently.

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 07:00 PM
Frank is just playing absolute bush league out there

RogerExpress
03-04-2011, 07:02 PM
Garza will serve for the match 5-4 :(, vamos Frank !

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 07:07 PM
Typical Canadian underachievement on the big stage :mad:

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 07:07 PM
6-4 to Garza. Frank cramping, which didn't help. But he didn't take the openings, had many chances with Garzia at 0-30 on serve, and then he loses the next 4 points.

Not going to be good for Frank's morale.

RogerExpress
03-04-2011, 07:17 PM
I just watched the fifth set, but Frank looked very uncomfortable on the court. I think the obvious question is if it was the right decission to choose Dancevic instead of Polansky. Hope Canada wins the series and all forget about this

canuckfan
03-04-2011, 07:23 PM
I just watched the fifth set, but Frank looked very uncomfortable on the court. I think the obvious question is if it was the right decission to choose Dancevic instead of Polansky. Hope Canada wins the series and all forget about this

Well he looked really confortable in the first two sets. Then he stopped going for his shots and Garza started plying betting. It was all downhill from there.

Let's hope Milos can win his two matches and we win the doubles because I wouldn't trust Frank or Peter in the fifth rubber.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 07:36 PM
The problem with Dancevic is that he has never learned to manage his nerves. It is too bad - he could be doing so much better if he could find his way forward in this area.

NB apparently Galo said the umpire told him to shut up and he answered "you shut up" and then he got thrown out. And this is the guy that is supposed to be giving Milos advice on how to play maturely! LOL

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 07:44 PM
Milos looks like he needs a haircut.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 07:53 PM
Milos breaks to open the match. He looks pretty strong out there. Our current Mexican opponent looks pretty different from the last - he is shortish and slight.

Dudisela75
03-04-2011, 07:57 PM
Love hold for Mexico.

Snowwy
03-04-2011, 08:05 PM
Ladandreau MUST go.

Even rhymes.

Snowwy
03-04-2011, 08:06 PM
I love having Sportsnet one, its great quality obviously.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 08:12 PM
2nd break for Milos, who shouts out "vamos" on winning a BP. Very windy now.

Dudisela75
03-04-2011, 08:23 PM
Milos up 6:2 1:1

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 08:38 PM
Milos gets the break in the second set - 3-1 now

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 08:40 PM
Raonic 4-1 in 2nd set. It is pretty one-sided. I think he has maybe lost 3 points on serve in the match so far.

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 08:41 PM
Galo Blanco has been allowed back to watch Raonic play.

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 08:52 PM
6-2 Milos in second set.

Dont pull a Frank please Milos...

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 08:52 PM
6-2 2nd set. Apparently Milos served an ace at 246 kph.

ibreak4coffee
03-04-2011, 09:27 PM
Wait - I leave for 20 minutes and Milos won already?

Gonzil
03-04-2011, 09:28 PM
Wait - I leave for 20 minutes and Milos won already?
Yup. Easy, peasy.

Emeraldhands
03-04-2011, 09:44 PM
What was the score in Milos' match?

Blarghman
03-04-2011, 09:44 PM
What was the score in Milos' match?

2-2-and-1

Emeraldhands
03-04-2011, 10:00 PM
Wow, either his opponenet just wasn't up to scratch or Milos was really dominant.

FormerRafaFan
03-04-2011, 10:37 PM
Wow, either his opponenet just wasn't up to scratch or Milos was really dominant.

Maybe this means that Frank actually stands a chance against this guy in the reversed rubber? who knows.. maybe this is a bad player. Glad Milos won so easily though!

I'm so sorry to hear about Frank. No excuse, that was pathetic. He shouldn't have lost when he was up 2-0 in sets, it's just.. no.

156mphserve
03-04-2011, 10:39 PM
Peter will stand a chance against him for sure, if the tie ever gets to a live 5th rubber, our Captain would have to be braindead to put Frank in there over Peter after today's results:o

156mphserve
03-04-2011, 10:40 PM
Maybe this means that Frank actually stands a chance against this guy in the reversed rubber? who knows.. maybe this is a bad player. Glad Milos won so easily though!

I'm so sorry to hear about Frank. No excuse, that was pathetic. He shouldn't have lost when he was up 2-0 in sets, it's just.. no.

Frank was up 2 sets and a break or serve:o

canuckfan
03-04-2011, 11:32 PM
Are we sure Peter is not injured or sick?

big_j_tennis
03-04-2011, 11:44 PM
Neither DiFeo nor Monette got WCs in Sherbrooke.. they,re in the qualies.

Dudisela75
03-05-2011, 12:29 AM
Bester won his Qf. Chovjka lost.

ibreak4coffee
03-05-2011, 12:43 AM
Weird question perhaps but anyone know why Santiago Gonzalez isnt playing at least doubles for Mexico?

Gonzil
03-05-2011, 02:11 AM
Weird question perhaps but anyone know why Santiago Gonzalez isnt playing at least doubles for Mexico?

He's having a spat with the captain. He (the captain) went to Acapulco to try to plead with him to play DC, but Gonzalez refused.

Gonzil
03-05-2011, 02:22 AM
Here is what Tom Tebbutt has to say on the choice of Frank over Peter:

"In a chat Wednesday night, Laurendeau also revealed that, though he often makes his singles picks by Tuesday, he didn’t decide on his second singles choice until Wednesday after Frank and Peter Polansky practised against each other. He said it was a difficult decision but he cited Frank’s superior record in 2011 and the fact that he has been playing a bit more aggressively."

Sounds to me like he failed to take into account Frank's nerves in such matches and especially his dreadful record on clay.

Snowwy
03-05-2011, 03:34 AM
Peter will stand a chance against him for sure, if the tie ever gets to a live 5th rubber, our Captain would have to be braindead to put Frank in there over Peter after today's results:o

Here is what Tom Tebbutt has to say on the choice of Frank over Peter:

"In a chat Wednesday night, Laurendeau also revealed that, though he often makes his singles picks by Tuesday, he didn’t decide on his second singles choice until Wednesday after Frank and Peter Polansky practised against each other. He said it was a difficult decision but he cited Frank’s superior record in 2011 and the fact that he has been playing a bit more aggressively."

Sounds to me like he failed to take into account Frank's nerves in such matches and especially his dreadful record on clay.

And that Laurendeau is Frank's coach. That's the real reason. Do you guys think that Laurendeau knew that the tie was being played on clay before he arrived at the courts today? How is he still employed by Tennis Canada.

2011 on clay: 0 wins for Frank
2010 on clay: 0 wins for Frank
2009 on clay: 0 wins for Frank
2008 on clay: 0 wins for Frank after May

This is not meant to bash Frank, he is not a good clay courter. Actually he is a terrible one, but he is good on hardcourts. Really it comes down to our coach is either paid by Mexico, paid by Frank (which he is) or picks names out of a hat to see who is playing. He must go. Tennis Canada needs to do what is right. I hope players stop playing DC until he goes, corruption happens in Africa and the Middle East, it shouldn't be happening in Canada.

ibreak4coffee
03-05-2011, 03:55 AM
And that Laurendeau is Frank's coach. That's the real reason. Do you guys think that Laurendeau knew that the tie was being played on clay before he arrived at the courts today? How is he still employed by Tennis Canada.

2011 on clay: 0 wins for Frank
2010 on clay: 0 wins for Frank
2009 on clay: 0 wins for Frank
2008 on clay: 0 wins for Frank after May

This is not meant to bash Frank, he is not a good clay courter. Actually he is a terrible one, but he is good on hardcourts. Really it comes down to our coach is either paid by Mexico, paid by Frank (which he is) or picks names out of a hat to see who is playing. He must go. Tennis Canada needs to do what is right. I hope players stop playing DC until he goes, corruption happens in Africa and the Middle East, it shouldn't be happening in Canada.

Says the guy with a Polansky avatar ;)

No I kid. I think you're spot on regarding conflicts of interest in Tennis Canada. However, I don't think this choice is as clear cut as you suggest. Polansky has regressed substantially over the last year, and while he may have won a few clay matches, he's a known choker and mental fragility in Davis Cup - as you point out - is lethal. Frank would not have probably played unless his opponent was ranked below 400. And lets face it - if Frank consolidates that break in the 3rd set, all this is a moot point. He didnt of course, but a little credit at least to Garza for playing above his ranking level.

Frankly, I'm not sure Peter would have fared any better than Frank. Had he won the first two sets like Frank and then lost the plot in the 3rd set - which Peter surely would have done - I believe a similar outcome would have been inevitable. And head to head, Frank is the more talented player. This is maybe - give Martin a little benefit of the doubt - a calculated gamble that backfired - you give Frank a chance in a tie where Milos can guarantee you two singles points and you're heavily favored in doubles, and if Frank wins he gets a nice confidence boost for important ties down the road - maybe on hardcourts - where a Frank on his game can compete at a level Peter simply can't.

Hopefully we secure doubles tomorrow. If we dont though and Milos delivers again, that Mexican player today was so bad I'm confident if Frank gets the call again even he would win. Not to contradict everything else I just said, but if it comes down to it, I'd also go with Peter in the 5th rubber, because Sanchez is far too inconsistent on groundies to hang with him whereas Frank might give him a few extra free points. But either guy would beat Sanchez in the fifth match, and you would think Milos would be worth at least one more point this weekend

letshavefun3
03-05-2011, 04:28 AM
Erik lost in 3 sets. And Diez is in the doubles final in his futures tournament.

d_s
03-05-2011, 05:39 AM
Yeah I agree that we can't be sure Peter would have won in place of Frank today. I guess the reason why everyone was so against Frank playing was as Snowwy said that Frank just does not have any success on clay (and he proved that again today), whereas Peter actually plays clay tournaments and is comfortable on the surface. It also comes down to Laurendeau's poor judgment in playing Frank. Who knows whether Frank was playing better than Peter in practice, but what we do know is that Laurendeau is definitely not impartial since he has been (not sure if he still is) Frank's coach. That does put him in a bad position into choosing between Frank and Peter though. Hopefully he gives Peter a shot on Sunday.

d_s
03-05-2011, 05:44 AM
Just to add, I really feel bad for Frank after today though. I'm sure it'll be tough for him to swallow this loss considering how he was up 2 sets with a break and managed to let it slip away. He's been having a promising season so far so hopefully it won't affect his progress.

and also, not sure what to think about this video which was taken before his match I guess...maybe Frank should've been a bit less relaxed...

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ibreak4coffee
03-05-2011, 05:45 AM
Yeah I agree that we can't be sure Peter would have won in place of Frank today. I guess the reason why everyone was so against Frank playing was as Snowwy said that Frank just does not have any success on clay (and he proved that again today), whereas Peter actually plays clay tournaments and is comfortable on the surface. It also comes down to Laurendeau's poor judgment in playing Frank. Who knows whether Frank was playing better than Peter in practice, but what we do know is that Laurendeau is definitely not impartial since he has been (not sure if he still is) Frank's coach. That does put him in a bad position into choosing between Frank and Peter though. Hopefully he gives Peter a shot on Sunday.

Agree with all points. I would have started Polansky myself. All I was trying to say is that the choice wasn't so clear cut. And for two sets and an early break, Frank was playing with the experience and talent of a good Davis Cup player. Unfortunately, bad Frank made an appearance.

Hopefully Milos continues to dominate and takes the next two matches because I think we can all agree either Frank or Peter in a 5th rubber is a nightmare - even if Sanchez would be the opponent

d_s
03-05-2011, 05:55 AM
Ohhh I didn't realize Milos wasn't playing the last rubber, I thought Frank was playing first again on Sunday. In that case yeah I really hope it doesn't come down to Frank or Peter to decide the tie, that would be really scary. Hopefully Milos and Vasek win tomorrow then because I'm pretty confident in Milos winning the singles.

Snowwy
03-05-2011, 12:09 PM
Says the guy with a Polansky avatar ;)

No I kid. I think you're spot on regarding conflicts of interest in Tennis Canada. However, I don't think this choice is as clear cut as you suggest. Polansky has regressed substantially over the last year, and while he may have won a few clay matches, he's a known choker and mental fragility in Davis Cup - as you point out - is lethal. Frank would not have probably played unless his opponent was ranked below 400. And lets face it - if Frank consolidates that break in the 3rd set, all this is a moot point. He didnt of course, but a little credit at least to Garza for playing above his ranking level.

Frankly, I'm not sure Peter would have fared any better than Frank. Had he won the first two sets like Frank and then lost the plot in the 3rd set - which Peter surely would have done - I believe a similar outcome would have been inevitable. And head to head, Frank is the more talented player. This is maybe - give Martin a little benefit of the doubt - a calculated gamble that backfired - you give Frank a chance in a tie where Milos can guarantee you two singles points and you're heavily favored in doubles, and if Frank wins he gets a nice confidence boost for important ties down the road - maybe on hardcourts - where a Frank on his game can compete at a level Peter simply can't.

Hopefully we secure doubles tomorrow. If we dont though and Milos delivers again, that Mexican player today was so bad I'm confident if Frank gets the call again even he would win. Not to contradict everything else I just said, but if it comes down to it, I'd also go with Peter in the 5th rubber, because Sanchez is far too inconsistent on groundies to hang with him whereas Frank might give him a few extra free points. But either guy would beat Sanchez in the fifth match, and you would think Milos would be worth at least one more point this weekend

Just to be clear, I'm NOT bashing Frank, I'm bashing the ML. Frank tried his best and gave it his all, which he ALWAYS does in Davis Cup. Just so I'm clear, that is not my problem here. And I know I have a PP avatar, but you are drastically underrating him, he is very solid on clay and actually likes the surface. His game is much more suited for it than hardcourt, Garza wouldn't have had a shot. I also agree with what you say though about giving Frankie some confidence, but don't you think it would have been nice for Milos to play only two matches this weekend? My ideal schedule would have been:

Peter
Milos
Frankie/Vasek
Milos
Peter

That lineup gives us our two best claycourters playing two singles matches each and our best doubles players playing the doubles match. If everyone is put into the best chance to succeed we have the better chance of succeeding.

Just to be really clear, I'm not trying to turn this into Frank vs Peter, I am a fan of both, obviously a bigger one of Peter but that says nothing about Frank. Its ML that I can't stand, and this is not a one off thing, check back in the threads, myself and TMJordan rip into him EACH year in DC. Look back only over the past 5 years. We had Diez and Agostinelli both play live rubbers (I don't care that Agostinelli won, his subsequent matches showed that that was luck.)

Agree with all points. I would have started Polansky myself. All I was trying to say is that the choice wasn't so clear cut. And for two sets and an early break, Frank was playing with the experience and talent of a good Davis Cup player. Unfortunately, bad Frank made an appearance.

Hopefully Milos continues to dominate and takes the next two matches because I think we can all agree either Frank or Peter in a 5th rubber is a nightmare - even if Sanchez would be the opponent

Frank and Peter are just so much better players than Garza and its not even close with Sanchez, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play the 5th one if it is live.

Ohhh I didn't realize Milos wasn't playing the last rubber, I thought Frank was playing first again on Sunday. In that case yeah I really hope it doesn't come down to Frank or Peter to decide the tie, that would be really scary. Hopefully Milos and Vasek win tomorrow then because I'm pretty confident in Milos winning the singles.

I disagree when you say Peter regressed, he has been stationary for a long time, I agree, but regressing and stationary are different. The way our coach set it up, Milos has to win 3 points against a weak team, and if you ignore everything else I have said, its just poor management when you have the 3 tp players in the tie and potentially the top 4 players, yet one must win three matches.

Gonzil
03-05-2011, 04:00 PM
Regarding ML, you might be interested in this post at OpenCourt http://communities.canada.com/montrealgazette/blogs/opencourt/archive/2011/03/04/davis-cup-mexico-vs-canada.aspx where Stephanie Myles has a go at a different angle: coaching strategy during the match.

I don't have any inside information, but my impression is that ML is pretty tight with Tennis Canada, so I am not seeing any great likelihood that they are going to leap to push him aside. The most plausible scenario I can see for that happening is if Milos continues to progress and takes a position against him. I imagine Milos' opinion will have increasing weight.

Regarding ML coaching Frank, is that still the case? I am not really clear what the coaching situation is these days for the Canadian players. I agree that there seems to be an obvious conflict in having a personal coach also being the DC captain. But I will say that although Laurendeau obviously has a great appreciation of Frank's talents, I have also frequently read his very clear-sighted public comments about his weaknesses, so I don't see him as being overly biased (beyond the inherent conflict, which I agree is a problem).

ibreak4coffee
03-05-2011, 04:32 PM
In anyone finds a stream for today's doubles match please let me know

RogerExpress
03-05-2011, 06:25 PM
Try here

http://es.justin.tv/bumelant60#/w/934429840

Early break for Mexico, 2-1 :(

ibreak4coffee
03-05-2011, 06:50 PM
Absolutely pathetic - 4-5 down and Mexico starts with a double fault and we cant get a return in play afterwards. Absolute no excuses - this tie is looking increasingly like a loss due to poor nerves and tactics

Blarghman
03-05-2011, 07:22 PM
Looked better in that second, back level. Hopefully they can keep it up from here.

Snowwy
03-05-2011, 07:32 PM
How can Frank be playing tomorrow. He was cramping yesterday. What a joke this DC coach is. If he is such a great in game coach, then hire someone else to pick who should play, this is just dumb now for Sunday.

156mphserve
03-05-2011, 07:55 PM
If Peter plays I doubt they'd make the change until right before the match anyway

FormerRafaFan
03-05-2011, 08:15 PM
so.. whats up? did they lose? who is playing doubles today btw?

Blarghman
03-05-2011, 08:19 PM
so.. whats up? did they lose? who is playing doubles today btw?

It's Vasek and Milos; they're up 2-0* in the fourth set, 2-1 in sets.

Gonzil
03-05-2011, 08:20 PM
Vasek and Milos, lost 1st set, won next two and they are up a break in the 4th.

Snowwy
03-05-2011, 08:26 PM
If they win, do we go to Ecuador or do they come here.

Blarghman
03-05-2011, 08:30 PM
If they win, do we go to Ecuador or do they come here.

We go there, we hosted last meeting, when the Lapentti brothers beat us in TO.

Gonzil
03-05-2011, 08:37 PM
BTW Bester lost his semi in Mtl.

ibreak4coffee
03-05-2011, 08:45 PM
How can Frank be playing tomorrow. He was cramping yesterday. What a joke this DC coach is. If he is such a great in game coach, then hire someone else to pick who should play, this is just dumb now for Sunday.

Hopefully it never comes to that.

Milos huge again today. Really picked it up in the 2nd set

Gonzil
03-05-2011, 09:03 PM
Vasek's comment on the match: "Not the prettiest, but we'll take it."

My feelings too.

d_s
03-05-2011, 09:22 PM
@milosraonic: Another win for CANADA !!!!!!!!!!

:lol:

d_s
03-05-2011, 09:27 PM
I disagree when you say Peter regressed, he has been stationary for a long time, I agree, but regressing and stationary are different. The way our coach set it up, Milos has to win 3 points against a weak team, and if you ignore everything else I have said, its just poor management when you have the 3 tp players in the tie and potentially the top 4 players, yet one must win three matches.

I never said Peter regressed :confused: I thought Peter should've been the #2 singles instead of Frank.

Snowwy
03-05-2011, 09:54 PM
I never said Peter regressed :confused: I thought Peter should've been the #2 singles instead of Frank.

My mistake, ibreak4coffee said it.

FormerRafaFan
03-05-2011, 10:27 PM
@milosraonic: Another win for CANADA !!!!!!!!!!
:lol:

LMAO.. first, good to see him having fun with that Seinfeld reference himself. Second, I liked the fact that he wrote Canada in caps. The Montenegrin fans will probably be in complete meltdown over this. :haha:

My mistake, ibreak4coffee said it.

Actually.. not to be mean, but Frank has performed better than Peter this season. Didn't Frank reach a QF in an ATP event? and didn't Peter lose his last two R1 matches in the qualifying matches he entered? exactly.. Right now Frank is the better player of the two, no doubt about it. Yes, he messed up in DC. But I also heard he had a cramp which wasn't helping matters either.

Again, I don't know how well they play on clay though.. but on hard, it's an easy choice. I can see why it would be a harder choice on clay if Peter really is the best clay player Canada has.

Snowwy
03-05-2011, 11:41 PM
LMAO.. first, good to see him having fun with that Seinfeld reference himself. Second, I liked the fact that he wrote Canada in caps. The Montenegrin fans will probably be in complete meltdown over this. :haha:



Actually.. not to be mean, but Frank has performed better than Peter this season. Didn't Frank reach a QF in an ATP event? and didn't Peter lose his last two R1 matches in the qualifying matches he entered? exactly.. Right now Frank is the better player of the two, no doubt about it. Yes, he messed up in DC. But I also heard he had a cramp which wasn't helping matters either.

Again, I don't know how well they play on clay though.. but on hard, it's an easy choice. I can see why it would be a harder choice on clay if Peter really is the best clay player Canada has.

Not sure you know this since you are from Norway, but the tie was played on clay, and therefore your entire argument is invalid. Look at their clay records.

big_j_tennis
03-06-2011, 12:23 AM
Nice win from the boys!

big_j_tennis
03-06-2011, 12:24 AM
And I sincerely hope this ends during the first match tomorrow, with Milos.

big_j_tennis
03-06-2011, 12:27 AM
Eleven Canucks in the second round qualies in Sherbrooke.

Only one match featuring 2 canadians, Bérard and Pajkowski, and the winner of that match is likely to qualify, since the first seed got into the main draw...

The others are Nicolas Vincent, David Desrochers, Sam Monette, Michael Tousignant, Mo Niaki, Filip Peliwo,
Alexis Gervais, Iancu-Iustinian Ghinda and Hugo DiFeo.

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 12:32 AM
Good luck Berard and others.

big_j_tennis
03-06-2011, 01:26 AM
Good luck Berard and others.

Hope he qualifies...:p

and also young guns Filip, Sam and Hugo

ibreak4coffee
03-06-2011, 06:57 AM
Not sure you know this since you are from Norway, but the tie was played on clay, and therefore your entire argument is invalid. Look at their clay records.

Their clay records are indisputable - Peter is the better player. Overall however Peter has really achieved very little in his career. He has never even sniffed success at the ATP level - let alone a final - and while he may be very good at qualifying for grand slams (something actually he was much better at a few years ago), dont expect big wins unless he plays a guy like Monaco coming off injury, or a very disinterested Melzer in Toronto. He has never even made the final of a challenger. For someone of his talent level, that's not acceptable. Two years ago he was beating guys like Lacko in qualies who are now established ATP players while he still plays inconsistent tennis on the challenger circuit - so yes he's regressed.

Fact remains that he has never played - and probably never will play - the level of matches Frank has achieved in his career. And he isn't exactly Daniel Nestor at Davis Cup play either, so again yes he's the better guy on clay, but why does that make him such a clear cut choice over Frank? He folds continually on the challenger circuit and always plays down to his competition - exactly what killed Frank yesterday. Peter would have likely done the same thing.

And if clay records were all we were basing our singles match-ups on, then Milos wouldn't be a singles pick, end of story.

And its puzzling why you think someone from Norway can't figure out a Davis Cup tie in Mexico against Canada would be on clay...

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 08:22 AM
I know they are playing on clay in the DC tie down in Mexico.. I even saw some of the match yesterday! I'm just saying that I don't know enough about how well Frank and Peter play on clay. I just know that Frank has performed better than Peter lately. So from that picking Frank made sense. Though of course the clay aspect needs to be taken into consideration too, and like I said, I don't know how either of them play on clay..

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 11:32 AM
And its puzzling why you think someone from Norway can't figure out a Davis Cup tie in Mexico against Canada would be on clay...

Fair enough, it was strange post from him, but I see now why he made it. It's like you guys have never seen Frank play on clay. You can tell me how many finals he made or even that he was a top junior player, but since his injury he has not even played ONCE on clay. You know Frank, who is playing so well lately, is ranked 1 spot above Peter who has regressed massively, right?

No one is saying Peter is the better player here, a few people are saying he is better on clay though, and I feel that real facts agree with that. An if he is better on clay, shouldn't he play to give Canada the best chance to win?

And Milos is just so much above the other Canadians now, he obviously plays, Frank isn't ahead of the other Canadians right now, hopefully soon he will be but it will be done for him on hardcourts.

So say we do look at their entire careers, which I think is dumb, but you guys keep bringing up titles.

Frank on clay: 1 - 11 at the ATP level
Peter on clay: 2 - 6 at the ATP level

So you say Peter doesn't play ATP, yet he has a better winning percentage in only 4 less ATP clay matches played, if we added in ATP qualifying for clay events, I would suspect Peter has more events played than Frank and a better WP including them.

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 11:37 AM
I will take a moment to possibly defend ML. If he has Peter and Frank play a match (best of five) in Mexico and Frank won, then I agree with his choice. I just cannot see that happening.

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 12:15 PM
Ugh.. have you seen the comments section of the TSN article? it is infested with Montenegrin people stating he's Montenegrin, how much he feels Montenegrin, blah blah.. but if he feels so much Montenegrin then WHY isn't he playing for Montenegro? He obviously made his choice to play for Canada. Are these people just jealous, insane, or what?

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 02:06 PM
Ugh.. have you seen the comments section of the TSN article? it is infested with Montenegrin people stating he's Montenegrin, how much he feels Montenegrin, blah blah.. but if he feels so much Montenegrin then WHY isn't he playing for Montenegro? He obviously made his choice to play for Canada. Are these people just jealous, insane, or what?

That part of the world is like that. Very nationalistic, where in Canada, we are, but not as much so. Just ignore them :)

Blarghman
03-06-2011, 04:13 PM
Looks like Peter will play the fifth rubber, whether or not it's live. Not surprising at all.

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 04:17 PM
Good choice.

tommyg6
03-06-2011, 04:20 PM
unreal, Raonic broken already? nah..im not worried. he will step up his game.

tommyg6
03-06-2011, 04:41 PM
can't believe this Garza dude is gonna serve for the 1st set...go Raonic!

bandtree
03-06-2011, 04:48 PM
Apparently, Rob Faulds thinks that 6-5 constitutes winning a set :rolleyes:

Quality commentating here

Blarghman
03-06-2011, 04:52 PM
Good comeback from Milos; after he dropped that break, he was stuck into all of Garza's service games, just a matter of time before he converted the BPs.

tommyg6
03-06-2011, 05:02 PM
Milos is really gettin into a groove now. Raonic leads 2-1 in 2nd set. Go Raonic!

Blarghman
03-06-2011, 05:29 PM
Gets the second, looking pretty comfortable for the straight set win.

tommyg6
03-06-2011, 05:31 PM
go Raonic! already 19-20 aces in the matches! unreal stuff! it be cool if he could break Karlovic's 251km/hr serve sometime soon lol.

ibreak4coffee
03-06-2011, 05:44 PM
Milos breaks in the third set. Calm, cool, and collected this kid - take note Frank.

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 05:45 PM
Milos' backhand actually looks GOOD today.

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 05:54 PM
Do you guys have a stream for the non-Canadians?

ibreak4coffee
03-06-2011, 05:55 PM
Do you guys have a stream for the non-Canadians?

http://www.justin.tv/bumelant60#/w/937920800

ibreak4coffee
03-06-2011, 05:59 PM
Thank you Milos for sparing us the car wreck that would have been Peter in the fifth rubber...

Final score: Milos Raonic 3 - Mexico 1 :)

You know for a guy who only knows how to play fake tennis, I could have sworn I saw Milos hitting quite a few real shots from the baseline

tommyg6
03-06-2011, 06:02 PM
Thank you Milos for sparing us the car wreck that would have been Peter in the fifth rubber...

Final score: Milos Raonic 3 - Mexico 1 :)

You know for a guy who only knows how to play fake tennis, I could have sworn I saw Milos hitting quite a few real shots from the baseline

here here. Milos was king.

well at this point, I'd put Vasek into the last and meaningless game.

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 06:03 PM
Thank you Milos for sparing us the car wreck that would have been Peter in the fifth rubber...

Final score: Milos Raonic 3 - Mexico 1 :)

You know for a guy who only knows how to play fake tennis, I could have sworn I saw Milos hitting quite a few real shots from the baseline

Just makes me realize how much trouble Canada would have been in if it hadn't been for Milos. I hope he never decides to play for Montenegro.

http://www.justin.tv/bumelant60#/w/937920800

Thanks :) Peter is still playing the dead rubber, right?

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 06:11 PM
Listening to these broadcasters is embarrassing.

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 06:15 PM
What a great interview from Milos! love him even more now! to be a Montenegrin he sure praises Canada a lot :)

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 06:16 PM
Listening to these broadcasters is embarrassing.

You're right, the constant praise they had for Peter was embarrassing.. have they not seen him play the last year or so? :p

tommyg6
03-06-2011, 06:20 PM
Listening to these broadcasters is embarrassing.

lmao

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 06:41 PM
You're right, the constant praise they had for Peter was embarrassing.. have they not seen him play the last year or so? :p

Funny. He was the first Canadian to beat a top 15 player since forever ago only 6 months ago. :)

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 06:56 PM
Looks like ML made the right choice maybe. :)

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 06:57 PM
yep.. Peter doing well so far! already down a break

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 07:07 PM
yep.. Peter doing well so far! already down a break

Funny what changes in 10 minutes, eh?

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 07:13 PM
I can't watch anymore.. don't know why, it just froze :(

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 07:15 PM
now the screen is blue.. oh well, good luck to Peter! at least I got to see him turn it around before my stream stopped.

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 07:20 PM
His backhand is awful today.

Gonzil
03-06-2011, 07:23 PM
He wins the first set, with a good deal of help from his opponent.

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 07:29 PM
the stream works again! :D Peter won the first set.. with good help from the Mexican.

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 07:33 PM
3rd DF :(

dancy_fan
03-06-2011, 07:40 PM
This match is no pressure! Go Peter Go!

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 07:44 PM
I think watching this you can see why ML took Frank, I still think it was the wrong choice, but it makes sense, Peter's backhand is a disgrace.

Snowwy
03-06-2011, 07:47 PM
And its over, probably should have been 2 and 1. Not a good performance by Peter, but not bad either really. Second set was good.

FormerRafaFan
03-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Peter was good in the second set! strong forehand and a good serve. His opponent was abysmal though..

big_j_tennis
03-06-2011, 10:04 PM
5 guys in the final round qualifying in the Sherbrooke futures.
Pajkowski, Niaki, Peliwo, Monette and DiFeo.

156mphserve
03-06-2011, 10:35 PM
Monette and Peliwo with convincing wins as well, I expect them to qualify along with Di Feo, Pajkowski, and probably Niaki if he can play well, maybe I should have just said all of them or maybe I'm too optimistic:p

d_s
03-06-2011, 11:18 PM
Nice job Canada!!! (Milos)

Peter was not impressive, especially in that first set, but had some nice moments and was good enough to win. Sanchez was really bad on the other hand. Hopefully this win gives him some confidence though because he needs it.

Gonzil
03-07-2011, 12:39 AM
Some nice comments from Milos after the win:

"This was a great opportunity for me, and I'm proud that I got the chance to play and proud that I came through for the team," said Raonic. "I've been doing a lot of my individual stuff but it's very important for me to win for Canada, too.

"It's a different level of pride playing Davis Cup. It's not my name on the draw, it's Canada. It means a lot to the country and to the sport as far as growth is concerned for us to keep pushing for the World Group."

ibreak4coffee
03-07-2011, 12:39 AM
Some nice comments from Milos after the win:

"This was a great opportunity for me, and I'm proud that I got the chance to play and proud that I came through for the team," said Raonic. "I've been doing a lot of my individual stuff but it's very important for me to win for Canada, too.

"It's a different level of pride playing Davis Cup. It's not my name on the draw, it's Canada. It means a lot to the country and to the sport as far as growth is concerned for us to keep pushing for the World Group."

Said like a true Montenegrin

Emeraldhands
03-07-2011, 01:05 AM
Monette and Di Feo are starting to prove that they could be serious players in a few years. Sure they are guys that are outside the top 1000, but both are progressing very well in these two futures.

Just goes to show how far Edward has fallen, while the others are playing in front of their home crowd, he is playing a G1 in Thailand and could get the first seed in the second round if he even gets out of the first.

GasquetGulbis
03-07-2011, 03:06 AM
Monette and Di Feo are starting to prove that they could be serious players in a few years. Sure they are guys that are outside the top 1000, but both are progressing very well in these two futures.

Just goes to show how far Edward has fallen, while the others are playing in front of their home crowd, he is playing a G1 in Thailand and could get the first seed in the second round if he even gets out of the first.

Errrr I disagree with that. Nguyen is a Vietnamese name, so I'm sure the only reason he's playing that tournament was because of it's relative closeness to Vietnam. Also there are a lot of top players who still play G1's instead of Futures.

As for Di Feo and Monette, they're not just outside the top 1000, they're unranked. And although I hope they pick up a few futures points this year, they should probably focus on the junior tournaments.

FormerRafaFan
03-07-2011, 05:47 AM
Said like a true Montenegrin

LOL.. I was just going to say that! He sure speaks a lot about Canada to be a Montenegrin tennis player :p

Snowwy
03-07-2011, 10:46 AM
Errrr I disagree with that. Nguyen is a Vietnamese name, so I'm sure the only reason he's playing that tournament was because of it's relative closeness to Vietnam. Also there are a lot of top players who still play G1's instead of Futures.

As for Di Feo and Monette, they're not just outside the top 1000, they're unranked. And although I hope they pick up a few futures points this year, they should probably focus on the junior tournaments.

I tihnk he said they are beating players ranked just outside the top 1000.

big_j_tennis
03-07-2011, 10:51 AM
As for Di Feo and Monette, they're not just outside the top 1000, they're unranked. And although I hope they pick up a few futures points this year, they should probably focus on the junior tournaments.

Obviously I don't know how to develop good young tennis players, but I'd like to see them playing more pro events, such as futures, and then have them go pro next year. They could balance it about 70/30 (juniors/pros) and only have them playing junior grand slams next year. However, this is just my opinion but I think it would help these guys..

Gonzil
03-07-2011, 10:40 PM
I doubt Nguyen playing Thailand has anything to do with Vietnamese roots - several NTC girls are playing it, and it is part of an Asian tour that Peliwo and Monette are scheduled to join next week. Anyway, he lost decisively first round, continuing his string of failures.

Great showing though by the boys in Sherbrooke: Monette and Di Feo both got through, as did Pajkowski.

Emeraldhands
03-07-2011, 10:52 PM
I find it really impressive that Di Feo and Monette were both able to qualify for a second week in a row. Funny how no one was talking about these guys at this time last year. Monette drew Vasek in the first round, can't wait to see how that turns out. Vasek didn't play well at all in DC, but I don't see him having any problem getting by in this one.

What do you guys think about getting at least one point for Qualifying for a futures event? I mean during the course of a year you could win like 60 to 70 matches and not get a single point because you always lose in the first round. Kinda rough but maybe it's a sign that you should give up tennis. Maybe do like those challengers where you get 3 points for the lower level and 5 points for the higher ones. Maybe give a point for the 15K+H events if you qualify but nothing for the rest

156mphserve
03-07-2011, 11:57 PM
yeah, it's gotta be tough to win 3 matches(or even 4 sometimes) only to get a tough draw and/or just lose in the first round and not get nothing. I would definately be for getting something for qualifying in terms of ranking points

big_j_tennis
03-08-2011, 12:12 AM
Maybe half a point for qualifying in futures and perhaps also for final round qualifying in challengers.
They should definetly get something for it.

Snowwy
03-08-2011, 12:12 AM
yeah, it's gotta be tough to win 3 matches(or even 4 sometimes) only to get a tough draw and/or just lose in the first round and not get nothing. I would definately be for getting something for qualifying in terms of ranking points

I agree with how the system is now, but I wouldn't oppose a change. I think if you look at osme of the qualifying lists in 15k events in Africa, do those people really deserve a point?

156mphserve
03-08-2011, 12:28 AM
yeah, the system now is good but still nothing for winning 4 matches seems harsh, but look at Reunion Island, was it really fair for the qualifiers there to get 3 ranking points? There are always anomolies

big_j_tennis
03-08-2011, 12:37 AM
Maybe there should be points if a qualifying draw has more than an X number of ranked players, and if not, there are no points. But I guess that would be too complicated...

ibreak4coffee
03-08-2011, 12:45 AM
The ATP has been giving more and more points at the top and less and less at the bottom for a while - its much harder for guys at the challenger and futures levels to make it. That said, as Snowwy points out the best guys will make it out of those first rounds. I look at the futures like some university courses in the first year - harder to make it out of them as they are designed to weed out the best from the just good. And lets face it - grabbing a few 1 point results throughout the year isn't going to amount to enough to make it.

big_j_tennis
03-08-2011, 01:33 AM
Indian Wells Qualifying:
Peter vs. so far Unknown Alternate ---- possibility of first seed Brands in second and last round
Frank vs. WC Steve Johnson ---- Possibilty of Bogomolov after that

Both are seeded.

I think these both are good draws, especially frank.

ibreak4coffee
03-08-2011, 01:36 AM
Indian Wells Qualifying:
Peter vs. so far Unknown Alternate ---- possibility of first seed Brands in second and last round
Frank vs. WC Steve Johnson ---- Possibilty of Bogomolov after that

Both are seeded.

I think these both are good draws, especially frank.

First rounds are both great, little harder after that. Bogomolov just won dallas challenger against good competition last week, not an easy match

big_j_tennis
03-08-2011, 01:46 AM
First rounds are both great, little harder after that. Bogomolov just won dallas challenger against good competition last week, not an easy match

Also, they have to adapt from clay to hard pretty fast..

Blarghman
03-08-2011, 02:04 AM
First rounds are both great, little harder after that. Bogomolov just won dallas challenger against good competition last week, not an easy match

Bogomolov is in good form, but Frank did beat him easily in Australia, and has a 2-0 H2H against him. He's got a solid chance.

Don't see Peter beating Brands, but hopefully he can do it.

Regardless, they should both get 7 points for winning a round, that's emothing.

ibreak4coffee
03-08-2011, 02:20 AM
Bogomolov is in good form, but Frank did beat him easily in Australia, and has a 2-0 H2H against him. He's got a solid chance.


True - he's no Daniel Garza

156mphserve
03-08-2011, 02:59 AM
:haha:

FormerRafaFan
03-08-2011, 07:13 PM
Frank is just about to start playing. Peter is already down 0-1 to Bopanna.

FormerRafaFan
03-08-2011, 07:15 PM
Bogomolov is in good form, but Frank did beat him easily in Australia, and has a 2-0 H2H against him. He's got a solid chance.

Don't see Peter beating Brands, but hopefully he can do it.

Regardless, they should both get 7 points for winning a round, that's emothing.

Peter is playing Bopanna. Isn't he a good player? I mean, Peter is already down 0-1. I really doubt Peter will win this match, but I hope he proves me wrong. He needs to start winning, gaining points and move up the rankings again.

FormerRafaFan
03-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Peter lost in 3 to Bopanna.. how long has his drought lasted for now? I can't even remember the last time he won a match:help:

ibreak4coffee
03-08-2011, 09:12 PM
Peter lost in 3 to Bopanna.. how long has his drought lasted for now? I can't even remember the last time he won a match:help:

When I said last week Peter has regressed and wasn't an automatic choice for DC play, it was with days like today in mind.

Granted Frank was down a break in the third set early against Steve Johnson. Lets face it - outside of Milos, no Canadian is playing tennis worthy of a guy ranked above 400 right now. Just awful stuff.