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Snowwy
02-01-2011, 03:12 AM
Wow, that was unexpected.

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 03:51 AM
This is looking like it might go the distance.

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 03:52 AM
This is looking like a repeat of his match against Kuznetsov where he won the first and blew it

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 03:53 AM
I find it's the worst for your confidence when you get broken at the end of the set to lose it.

GasquetGulbis
02-01-2011, 03:56 AM
Up an early break in the third.

156mphserve
02-01-2011, 03:57 AM
what about when you break to open a set?:)

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 04:00 AM
Just to get broken back...

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 04:00 AM
Philip has no business losing this match

d_s
02-01-2011, 04:05 AM
another break! come on now...

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 04:05 AM
No one can hold serve early in the third

GasquetGulbis
02-01-2011, 04:07 AM
Up a break again.

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 04:09 AM
Looks like someone might be having a medical timeout

Snowwy
02-01-2011, 04:13 AM
Come on Philip

Gonzil
02-01-2011, 04:17 AM
Keep it up, Philip - just 2 more games.

Gonzil
02-01-2011, 04:23 AM
One game to go.

Snowwy
02-01-2011, 04:23 AM
Up two breaks!!

Blarghman
02-01-2011, 04:27 AM
Phil :yeah: Very nice result for him, great start to the day.

Snowwy
02-01-2011, 04:27 AM
What a win by Phillip. His draw is now WIDE open, he could reaslistically make the SFs. (he will probably lose 2nd round badly now)

Gonzil
02-01-2011, 04:28 AM
Congrats to Philip. Snowwy, great to see that you were unnecessarily pessimistic about the day's results.

d_s
02-01-2011, 04:32 AM
Seriously what is up with these Canadians playing well in Australia?? :eek: They're playing better than they do in Canada ;)

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 04:33 AM
The pessimism was a reverse jinx, so the only guy who he had winning will lose which is his case is Milos. But knowing Philip in the past it just seems like he will lose in the second round. Just when we think he is turning the corner (see: Honolulu)

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 04:43 AM
Just as a sidenote, when can we start to lobby for the sub-forum?

Gonzil
02-01-2011, 04:45 AM
I hope that Frank is paying attention to Bouchard and Bester and is realizing that today is the day for Canadians to beat the #1 seed.

GasquetGulbis
02-01-2011, 04:52 AM
Just as a sidenote, when can we start to lobby for the sub-forum?

I'm not sure, but I can't imagine us not getting it. In the few weeks they've been going the Raonic and Canada 2 forums have already gotten more replies than almost every other forum in "Others" except for Berankis and one other.

FormerRafaFan
02-01-2011, 07:06 AM
I'm glad Peter won:yeah:

Good luck to Milos today too.. I probably won't be able to watch it/follow the livescores, unfortunately :(

ibreak4coffee
02-01-2011, 07:43 AM
Chvojka broke early and just won the first set 6-4 :)

Even Peter and Phillip just took the first set in doubles over Ball and Guccione :eek:

valexie03
02-01-2011, 10:44 AM
Excellent day for the Canadians :bounce:

Gonzil
02-01-2011, 10:47 AM
Chvojka won against 5th seed, Rosol, 6-4, 6-3. They are on a roll!

Blarghman
02-01-2011, 12:37 PM
Good stuff from Chvojka :yeah: Just Frank left for a perfect day :eek:

Snowwy
02-01-2011, 12:47 PM
Erik won!!
PP and Bester won doubles!!

GasquetGulbis
02-01-2011, 04:33 PM
All three Canadians are on court 4 today. In my opinion, Polanksy SHOULD win, Bester COULD win, and Chvojka will be hard pressed to win. But that top half of the draw is really open, so one of those two better take advantage of that.

Blarghman
02-01-2011, 07:17 PM
Frank's match is delayed until tomorrow, so we will again get all the guys in action on a day. Here's hoping another perfect day's in store :yeah:

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 09:36 PM
Quick predictions for today guys:

Bester wins in 3 sets.
Peter loses in 3 sets.
Erik loses in 2 sets. (Even though he beat Mitchell at the end of last year).
Milos wins in 2 sets.
Frank loses in 2 sets.

GasquetGulbis
02-01-2011, 10:15 PM
Bester loses in 3
Peters win in 3
Erik loses in 2
Milos wins in 2
Frank wins in 3

Snowwy
02-01-2011, 10:20 PM
Bester loses in 2
PP wins in 2
Erik wins in 2
Milos wins in 2
Frank loses in 2

156mphserve
02-01-2011, 10:31 PM
Bester wins in 3
Peter loses in 3
Erik wins in 2
Milos wins in 2
Frank loses in 3

do the person with the most correct get some vcash or what:p:lol:

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 10:43 PM
It's fun to see everyone has their own predictions, but the one constant seems to be Milos winning in two, just goes to prove how inconsistant the others have been for us to differ on who wins and loses

jshore
02-01-2011, 11:01 PM
saw Dancevic play against Wawrinka live in Toronto. It appeared for the first 45 mins he was still getting into form. He did after all, have a significant injury. However, once he got the rhythm he was nailing backhands and playing well, I wouldn't be surprised if he moves up. Also i'm excited to see what Milos has to offer after his impressive Aussi 11 run, let's stay patriotic :cool:

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 11:06 PM
welcome to the forum jshore, can never have enough supporters for our tennis players

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 11:11 PM
Erik's match should be starting soon, if it isn't raining that is.

Emeraldhands
02-01-2011, 11:44 PM
gets the early break

156mphserve
02-01-2011, 11:47 PM
...and gives it back

156mphserve
02-01-2011, 11:52 PM
...and gets it back

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 12:01 AM
saw Dancevic play against Wawrinka live in Toronto. It appeared for the first 45 mins he was still getting into form. He did after all, have a significant injury. However, once he got the rhythm he was nailing backhands and playing well, I wouldn't be surprised if he moves up. Also i'm excited to see what Milos has to offer after his impressive Aussi 11 run, let's stay patriotic :cool:

Yeah, Frank is finally finding his form again after his injury. He has gotten some nice wins these last few months. Too bad he is ALWAYS unlucky with the ATP draws though :( Maybe he should continue to play challengers for a little while, just to get his ranking even higher.. I don't know. One thing is for sure though, he's definitely the #2 Canadian right now. Won't be long until he's ranked higher than Peter, which is how it should be imo. Frank is a better player than Peter, more consistent too. And this is coming from a fan of Peter.. I just can't help it, he's been so disappointing lately.

Emeraldhands
02-02-2011, 12:11 AM
Anyone ever figure out why Erik missed those 9 months two years ago? Was it because of injury, and according to the livescore, it doesn't seem like he is pro yet?

Emeraldhands
02-02-2011, 12:12 AM
ugh....RAIN!!!

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 12:39 AM
Looking good through the first set though.

Emeraldhands
02-02-2011, 01:52 AM
God wtf is up with the damn rain this year?

d_s
02-02-2011, 02:02 AM
Not sure if you guys have seen it yet but Peter and Philip both wrote blog entries on LMN.
http://www.lovemeansnothing.ca/blog/polansky-and-bester-check-in

Both of them talk about tough windy conditions yesterday.
I think the blogs by the Canadian players is a great idea. It's cool to read what they have to say and get more insight. Great job for whoever's responsible :yeah:

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 02:33 AM
Thanks d_s.

Emeraldhands
02-02-2011, 02:33 AM
I remember watching a live feed of this tournament last year and I remember when Duclos was playing it was windy as hell.

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 04:10 AM
Yesterday's doubles, Bester and Polansky.

http://www.livestream.com/burnieinternational

Regenbogen
02-02-2011, 04:21 AM
Thanks for the heads-up on the doubles. :)

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 12:35 PM
No comment on the Lopez vs. Dancevic match? Hmm..

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 12:37 PM
Dancevic took the second set 6-2:woohoo:

Frank is leading the third set 3-2. Still on serve though I think.

dancy_fan
02-02-2011, 12:45 PM
This is Franks Luck, just getting momentum going and Rain started!

misty1
02-02-2011, 01:01 PM
so..canadian men go 3-0 in the first round of bernie including knocking out seeds 1 and 5 and than go 0-3 in the 2nd round.....

hopefully frank can keep things going

Keech
02-02-2011, 03:27 PM
Frank :worship:
What a win!!! :woohoo: :yippee:

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 03:29 PM
I can't believe he knocked out the nr. 1 seed! :worship:

Blarghman
02-02-2011, 03:31 PM
Frank :yeah: Very nice result for him, hopefully he can put together a run.

Top two seeds dropped by Canadians :cool:

ibreak4coffee
02-02-2011, 03:53 PM
Apparently Lopez gifted Frank the win with an easy miss on match point after saving three match points earlier. I cant imagine how dejected Frank would have been had he blown the match.

Frank needs to make a run here. Wolmarans should be a straight set win, and after that I consider the most dangerous players left in the draw to be in the bottom half. Would love to see Frank use that PR to really get his ranking back.

Cant take anything for granted with all the surprises so far (and I'm sure more to come) but wouldn't it be amazing to see Frank and Milos in the final!

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 03:56 PM
Won't be long until (hopefully) we see Frank in the Top 200, and thereby all is as it should be. Frank being the real Canadian nr. 2! Considering he is a much better player than Peter..

GasquetGulbis
02-02-2011, 04:19 PM
So now that we basically know Raonic is going to get into the Rogers Cup maindraw, who do you guys think the other three wildcards should go to?

Obviously Dancevic should get one, but then Peter/Philip, Peter/Vasek, Vasek/Philip? Maybe Erik if you guys have some faith in him.

misty1
02-02-2011, 04:34 PM
Frank :yeah: Very nice result for him, hopefully he can put together a run.

Top two seeds dropped by Canadians :cool:

two of the worst top 2 seeds a tournament has seen..a slumping spanish player and a guy from the chinese taipei that is HIGHLY over ranked

misty1
02-02-2011, 04:35 PM
I can't believe he knocked out the nr. 1 seed! :worship:

you cant? for me it was expected given how frank has been improving and lopez has just plain sucked for the last 3 months

misty1
02-02-2011, 04:36 PM
Won't be long until (hopefully) we see Frank in the Top 200, and thereby all is as it should be. Frank being the real Canadian nr. 2! Considering he is a much better player than Peter..

couldnt agree more

misty1
02-02-2011, 04:41 PM
So now that we basically know Raonic is going to get into the Rogers Cup maindraw, who do you guys think the other three wildcards should go to?

Obviously Dancevic should get one, but then Peter/Philip, Peter/Vasek, Vasek/Philip? Maybe Erik if you guys have some faith in him.

frank will get the other one for sure

honestly im really against giving a wild card to peter and vasek. Neither one has done anything in a long time.You could say peter has wins over melzer and monaco, but put those into perspectice: Monaco was just coming back from injury and anyone can beat melzer at the rogers cup. Peter will probably get it but i really hope he doesnt...not unless he can show some improvement.
Vasek really should be made to qualify and thats all i have to say about him.

the other 2...i think giving one to erik might be a good idea and philip..the 2 of them actually have been making progress and i think if they can keep it up they should be rewarded.

let peter, vasek and steven qualify. and thats it, they might be tempted to give wild qualifying cards to pavel and maybe filip but that would not be a good idea at all.

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 05:12 PM
That's stupid.

Milos, Frank, Peter, Vasek, Bester.

In that order, if Milos gets into the MD.

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 06:13 PM
Watch Adil here.

http://www.livescorehunter.com/Livescores/Livescore-Tennis.html

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 06:26 PM
I actually agree with Misty. Peter sucks these days, I'm sorry, but he is effing awful. He hasn't done anything in like forever. and this is coming from a fan of Peter.. He should definitely prove he is worthy of a WC first. IMO Milos and Frank deserves it much more than him.

misty1
02-02-2011, 06:30 PM
That's retarded.

Milos, Frank, Peter, Vasek, Bester.

In that order, if Milos gets into the MD.

first of all i dont appreciate you using that word. It pisses me off alot when i see or here it because of ..well reasons that you dont need to know

second i sturggle to see why vasek deserves a wild card before bester or even chovjka,.

thirdly thank you sokk:) knew i wasnt the only one who questioned peter getting a wild card

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 06:32 PM
first of all i dont appreciate you using that word. It pisses me off alot when i see or here it because of ..well reasons that you dont need to know

second i sturggle to see why vasek deserves a wild card before bester or even chovjka,.

thirdly thank you sokk:) knew i wasnt the only one who questioned peter getting a wild card

First off, sorry about the word.

Second, can you justify Erik getting a WC over Peter? I'd LOVE to see that. This should be good. sokk, you're welcome to try also.

GasquetGulbis
02-02-2011, 06:35 PM
They should do a wildcard tournament. Frank gets one for sure, and then the two finalist of the tournament get the other ones.

1. Peter
--------------------Polansky
8. Krainik
----------------------------------------Chvojka
4. Chvojka
--------------------Chvojka
5. Duclos

6. Diez
--------------------Pospisil
3. Pospisil
----------------------------------------Pospisil
7. Klingemann
--------------------Bester
2. Bester

Obviously Chvojka's not going to do that well, but I can always hope.

And then the other 6 can have qualifying WC's

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 06:47 PM
I could see Bester over Vasek.

Bester: 270 (career high: 270)
Vasek: 320 (career high: 270)

Bester: 22 years old
Vasek: 20 years old

Futures Record

Bester: 92 - 61 (4 titles)
Vasek: 90 - 37 (8 titles)

Challengers Record

Bester: 9 - 23
Vasek: 4 - 20

I think this year will have a big effect on which one gets in, but I think they both will because odds are pretty good that either Frank is hurt or Milos gets a DE.

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 06:50 PM
First off, sorry about the word.

Second, can you justify Erik getting a WC over Peter? I'd LOVE to see that. This should be good. sokk, you're welcome to try also.

Lets see her, Erik has done more lately than Peter, lets start with that maybe? He's been more consistent, even if it is at a lower level.

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 06:53 PM
BTW, since Rogers Cup is in Montreal this year.. do you think they will choose Pierre-Ludovic Duclos? Since he's from Quebec and everything. I know how nationalistic the Quebec people are.

156mphserve
02-02-2011, 07:11 PM
We heard this same crap last year saying Peter should have to qualify. Give him the WC IMO, he's done way more than Vasek/Bester/Erik has ever done, sure maybe he's incosistent, but the chances that an incosistent player will get a win are better than the chances that Erik will get a win, sure Erik is consistent in beating the players he should beat but he's not going to up his level enough to beat a top 50 player, while although Peter may have his off days, when he is on he can beat a top 50 play and has done it before.

AS for other WC's don't we get 4 to give out? If Milos gets DE(which is far from certain at this point GG) then I'd give them to Frank, Peter, Bester, and probably Vasek. If Milos doesn't get DE then I'd drop Vasek off of that list

Blarghman
02-02-2011, 07:38 PM
Milos, Frank and Peter should have nailed-on wildcards. They are clearly the three best singles players we have, and given they will probably be the Davis Cup team, it's pretty elementary. Bester and Vasek are more even, Vasek is younger, and if the two are still similar in August, Vasek should get the nod. Barring injuries or some unforseen results, I don't think anyone outside of those five should really be in the running.

Blarghman
02-02-2011, 07:41 PM
Lets see her, Erik has done more lately than Peter, lets start with that maybe? He's been more consistent, even if it is at a lower level.

Erik has done more lately? :confused: He won one challenger match this week. The last MD match he won above futures level was at Rimouski in March. Peter has qualified for a GS, won two DC singles matches for Tennis Canada and beat a top 20 player in that time frame. Sure, Peter has been inconsistent and disappointing, but there's definitely some people here overreacting.

GasquetGulbis
02-02-2011, 07:44 PM
Raonic is warming up now, and there's a livestream with commentators http://www.justin.tv/bumelant44#/w/823547760

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 08:19 PM
Lets see her, Erik has done more lately than Peter, lets start with that maybe? He's been more consistent, even if it is at a lower level.

:lol::retard:

Age

Peter: 22 years old
Erik: 24 years old

Ranking

Peter: 203 (career high: 164)
Erik: 424 (career high: 343)

Davis Cup

Peter: 7 - 3
Erik: 0 - 0 (Never represented Canada)

Grand Slams

Peter: Qualified four times (1 - 4)
Erik: Never in the qualifying draw (0 - 0)

ATP

Peter: 10 - 14 (Beating Melzer and Monaco)
Erik: 0 - 0

Challengers

Peter: 56 - 59
Erik: 9 - 13

Futures

Peter: 48 - 20 (5 titles)
Erik: 70 - 62 (4 titles)

Peter is better in every way, its not even close in even one aspect and Peter is 2 years younger.

FormerRafaFan
02-02-2011, 08:52 PM
:lol::retard:

Age

Peter: 22 years old
Erik: 24 years old

Ranking

Peter: 203 (career high: 164)
Erik: 424 (career high: 343)

Davis Cup

Peter: 7 - 3
Erik: 0 - 0 (Never represented Canada)

Grand Slams

Peter: Qualified four times (1 - 4)
Erik: Never in the qualifying draw (0 - 0)

ATP

Peter: 10 - 14 (Beating Melzer and Monaco)
Erik: 0 - 0

Challengers

Peter: 56 - 59
Erik: 9 - 13

Futures

Peter: 48 - 20 (5 titles)
Erik: 70 - 62 (4 titles)

Peter is better in every way, its not even close in even one aspect and Peter is 2 years younger.

Did you even read what I wrote?

Erik has done better LATELY while Peter has been very disappointing, not winning many matches, and certainly not winning the matches he should be winning. I think Erik has been more consistent even if it is, like I said again, at a lower level.

I do know that Peter in general is a better player, but he has been sooo disappointing lately. My god, he is not playing up to his potential at all! It would be nice to, well, maybe not as a punishment per se, but yeah, make him work for it. Considering how disappointing he is these days.

misty1
02-02-2011, 09:04 PM
First off, sorry about the word.

Second, can you justify Erik getting a WC over Peter? I'd LOVE to see that. This should be good. sokk, you're welcome to try also.

maybe i cant justify giving it to him over peter but i sure as hell can over vasek

if erik and philip continue to get some good results and vasek and peter continue to flounder around i could see these wild cards ig milos is in the main draw:

frank
erik
philip
peirre
peter

if milos is not in the draw:

milos
frank
erik
philip
pierre

peirre just because its in montreal this year

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 09:09 PM
Erik over Peter is stupid, there is no reason you can say that.

sokk:Peter, in a bad year won has way more points with "his terrible results" than Erik has "being consistant"

2011 Points

Peter: 23 Points
Erik: 7 points

You guys have no argument.

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 09:10 PM
maybe i cant justify giving it to him over peter but i sure as hell can over vasek

Go!

As for PLD, he was twice as good in 2009 and still got qualifying WC in Montreal. Lost 2 and 2. Why would it be any different now that PLD is half the player he was then?

Snowwy
02-02-2011, 09:13 PM
Since the US Open

Peter: 98 points
Erik: 61 points

misty1
02-02-2011, 09:17 PM
Go!

As for PLD, he was twice as good in 2009 and still got qualifying WC in Montreal. Lost 2 and 2. Why would it be any different now that PLD is half the player he was then?

its in montreal this year no? i could see him getting it simply for that reason

Blarghman
02-02-2011, 09:24 PM
Since the US Open

Peter: 98 points
Erik: 61 points

Vasek: 85 points

And Peter and Vasek are 2 and 4 years younger, respectively. They've also won a good chunk of their points at challengers and above, as opposed to futures.

misty1
02-02-2011, 09:30 PM
well lets wait and see there's still alot of time left before the rogers cup

we obviously have differing oppinions about who deserves the wild cards and lets not fight about it now

big_j_tennis
02-02-2011, 10:00 PM
actually I think the fact it's in Montreal actually favors Erik, since he is from Montreal, and PLD comes from the Quebec city area. Also, Erik has a better ranking, and simply seems to play better. Maybe the fact he doesn't play in the pros regularly will go against him. And Tennis Canada doesn't seem to like him that much (PLD neither)...
But I think Milos, Frank, Peter and Philip are ahead of him for this wildcard, and possibly Vasek because of his age and the fact he is rather close to Tennis Canada.

misty1
02-02-2011, 10:08 PM
i just think atleast one french canadian gets the wild card and its between pierre and erik

..okay thats enough now from me..just wanted to add that one last thing

156mphserve
02-02-2011, 10:43 PM
Sure Erik may be consistent, but that's pretty much futures consistency, there's no way he's beating a top 50 player. Peter on the other hand, no matter how incosistent he may be if he brings his A game he has a fighting chance.

As for Peter's incosistency, he beat a seeded player in AO qualies and lost to another seed, the player he lost to in Burnie was better ranked than him. Is losing to players better than you considered not living up to expectations, and incosistency?

Put Erik in Peter's place and he wouldn't get a set in AO qualies, wouldn't have got 5 games off melzer last Rogers Cup, would have got a set in any of peter's q matches last US Open, and sure as hell wouldn't have beat Monaco, he's consistent because he's playing at a lower level, put peter there and he's rank up wins in handfuls.

and just to finish off with 1 more point, Erik beat the 5 seed in Burnie, and then lost to a qualifier ranked lower than him whom he beat last year after winning the first set. That's the defination of consistency???:o

156mphserve
02-02-2011, 10:48 PM
maybe i cant justify giving it to him over peter but i sure as hell can over vasek

if erik and philip continue to get some good results and vasek and peter continue to flounder around i could see these wild cards ig milos is in the main draw:

frank
erik
philip
peirre
peter

if milos is not in the draw:

milos
frank
erik
philip
pierre

peirre just because its in montreal this year

:haha::haha:I needed a good laugh after Milos' loss thanks:cool:

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 12:08 AM
its in montreal this year no? i could see him getting it simply for that reason

2009 - Montreal

PLD - Good

PLD gets a qualifying WC when Canada sucked at tennis.

2011 - Montreal

PLD - Poor

Canada is better at tennis.


All that above is true, everyone in this thread will agree with that except the delusional bandwagoner sokk.

Why would PLD get a main draw WC? Makes nooooo sense.

d_s
02-03-2011, 12:30 AM
That's stupid.

Milos, Frank, Peter, Vasek, Bester.

In that order, if Milos gets into the MD.

This order would be right with Erik and then Pierre at the end. And if it has to come down to Vasek or Phil it'll go to whoever has done better up to that point.

There is nooooooo way Erik and Pierre will be getting WCs this year unless a) they have proven that they really deserve it with big results OR b) somehow Frank and Milos both make it in directly (which I would be fine with :p). The fact that it's in Montreal this year doesn't mean anything.

I don't know how people would think Peter wouldn't get one. Yes, his results haven't been stellar but he's still ranked higher than the others and has shown he can actually manage a win in the MD where the others have not.

In my opinion, the fact that there's so much debate about who to give WCs to is only good news for Canadian tennis and the direction it's heading. ;)

Gonzil
02-03-2011, 12:31 AM
I guess the price of our perfect score in first round matches is that all our guys lose 2nd round. Just hoping that Frank breaks that trend.

Gonzil
02-03-2011, 12:36 AM
I agree with d_s on the WC question.

Also I think some of you people are getting a bit carried away regarding Peter. I understand that there is frustration that Peter hasn't had the results recently we all think he should, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the frustration comes because the expectations have been raised. I would suggest that the main reason Erik and Philip are looking comparatively good is that we haven't been expecting that much from them, at least recently.

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 01:09 AM
Good posts, d_s and Gonzil

misty1
02-03-2011, 01:45 AM
:haha::haha:I needed a good laugh after Milos' loss thanks:cool:

its one thing to disagree with my oppinion, its another to be a complete prick about it

letshavefun3
02-03-2011, 02:04 AM
I'm glad Adil won today...he's struggled a bit past the Challenger level (I think he's only won one match besides this).

ibreak4coffee
02-03-2011, 02:12 AM
Milos is currently the best Canadian male tennis player and will remain so for the next 5-10 years.
Frank on talent is a close second but in reality with injuries, bad luck, and mental lapses is just a solid second.
Peter is clearly the third best Canadian male - I'd bet my house PLD or Erik will never beat Juan Monaco or Jurgen Melzer. Struggles happen - and look at it this way we dont celebrate a challenger win in the first round for Peter like we do from Erik or PLD - because we expect it. But Peter doesn't have Frank's game.
In fourth its a toss up, but to me Bester gets the nod if he can put it all together. We're seeing signs already.
Vasek is fifth with potential to top Bester over the next few years. I see his career more of a Polansky trajectory though where he's going to hit a ceiling in the challengers with an occassional success in an ATP tournament or qualifying.
Erik is a distant fifth to me. A solid futures and occassional solid challenger player is his ceiling.
Sixth I put PLD. I've never been impressed, and while I dont have the time to research it now I doubt he's ever beaten a top 150 player. And he sure finds consistent ways to lose to guys ranked 400-600, which few of the guys above ever do.

Of course, in reality Daniel Nestor should be on this list too but I'll just stick to the singles players. But I wouldnt be surprised if still at his age Nestor could beat PLD and Erik.

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 02:20 AM
PLD beat Feliciano Lopez. Bet you guys didn't know that. :)

156mphserve
02-03-2011, 02:40 AM
its one thing to disagree with my oppinion, its another to be a complete prick about it

sorry about the way I posted that but to have Erik in 3rd behind Milos and Frank is unbelieveble, I just don't understand where that comes from exactly. Erik has won like what 4 or 5 challenger matches in his career?

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 02:43 AM
sorry about the way I posted that but to have Erik in 3rd behind Milos and Frank is unbelieveble, I just don't understand where that comes from exactly. Erik has won like what 4 or 5 challenger matches in his career?

:worship:

FormerRafaFan
02-03-2011, 10:42 AM
Funny how people keep bringing up the fact that Peter won over frikkin Melzer and Monaco.. LOL:lol:

Melzer didn't even try in that match, he didn't care. It was so obvious. Plus, Monaco has been shitty for a while now. Everyone can win against him. Monaco hasn't won a match in like forever. And he is much higher in the rankings than he's supposed to be. Besides, Peter went down in flames to Blake who hasn't had any decent results in like forever.. I think that says everything.

The fact is that Peter is not living up to his expectations, but keep on losing to players he SHOULD beat. He is also extremely weak mentally and seems to choke a lot on the big points.

I'm sorry, but fine, maybe Peter is the third best player Canada has after Milos and Frank, but that is just sad.. A player as inconsistent as Peter being the third.. ugh. I hope Vasek or Philip can take over his spot, and soon.

ibreak4coffee
02-03-2011, 12:29 PM
Funny how people keep bringing up the fact that Peter won over frikkin Melzer and Monaco.. LOL:lol:

Melzer didn't even try in that match, he didn't care. It was so obvious. Plus, Monaco has been shitty for a while now. Everyone can win against him. Monaco hasn't won a match in like forever. And he is much higher in the rankings than he's supposed to be. Besides, Peter went down in flames to Blake who hasn't had any decent results in like forever.. I think that says everything.

The fact is that Peter is not living up to his expectations, but keep on losing to players he SHOULD beat. He is also extremely weak mentally and seems to choke a lot on the big points.

I'm sorry, but fine, maybe Peter is the third best player Canada has after Milos and Frank, but that is just sad.. A player as inconsistent as Peter being the third.. ugh. I hope Vasek or Philip can take over his spot, and soon.

You sound more disappointed than analytical. There are results and there is potential, and potential realized - and in all three categories Peter is the clear third best Canadian player.

misty1
02-03-2011, 01:05 PM
sorry about the way I posted that but to have Erik in 3rd behind Milos and Frank is unbelieveble, I just don't understand where that comes from exactly. Erik has won like what 4 or 5 challenger matches in his career?

just because i wrote down a list of names doest mean that that is the order i would rank them in, i simply wrote down the names. That was not in any particular order that i expected wild cards to be handed out

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 02:27 PM
just because i wrote down a list of names doest mean that that is the order i would rank them in, i simply wrote down the names. That was not in any particular order that i expected wild cards to be handed out

That's a clear lie, you didn't even put Peter in the second scenario. Don't backtrack. You have your opinion, its a terrible one, but at least have the guts to stick to it.

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 02:37 PM
Melzer didn't even try in that match, he didn't care. It was so obvious. Plus, Monaco has been shitty for a while now. Everyone can win against him. Monaco hasn't won a match in like forever. And he is much higher in the rankings than he's supposed to be. Besides, Peter went down in flames to Blake who hasn't had any decent results in like forever.. I think that says everything.

The fact is that Peter is not living up to his expectations, but keep on losing to players he SHOULD beat. He is also extremely weak mentally and seems to choke a lot on the big points.

Did I miss Melzer getting fined for not trying? Did Melzer not try or did he play poorly?

Yesterday, did Raonic not try or did he play poorly?

Also, do you understand the ranking system? How can a play ranked 27 "have not won a match in like forever". Monaco just beat Gruel in fact last week.

Monaco also beat the following players indoors at the end of last year (his worst surface)

Melzer
Andy Murray (how can we discount his GS?)
De Bakkar
Querrey

I'm sure you will find a way to discount those wins, but the fact remains that facts and results outweigh opinions in real life.

When you talk about James Blake in New York, James has never lost in the US Open to a player who did not reach the top 5 in his career except his original US Open in 98. He is just good there.

Emeraldhands
02-03-2011, 02:40 PM
Wow, I don't come here for one day and our conversations are turning into epic duels over who should get the wildcards? I LOVE IT!! Just goes to show how much Canadian Tennis has come in the last 3-4 years. We couldn't even find like 3 worthy guys and now we are arguing over 5 or 6. Just to get my five cents in my order would be:

Milos
Frank
Peter
Vasek
Philip
Erik
Pierre

Kinda tough between Philip and Vasek but I give the edge to Vasek just because he is a few years younger. It's really early to tell right now but if Vasek continues playing like he did in Honolulu then he would have the upper hand as number 4. Philip will have to show me more then he has, maybe he lost that second round due to nearly unplayable condidtions, he even said in his blog post that it was a first for him.

By the way, where is Vasek playing next? I am assuming that he is going to try and qualify in San Jose since he is in the area. I am just trying to figure his strategy because he is still in the states but there isn't much going on for him there right now. I believe after San Jose the next one for him would be Carson then Davis Cup (As a reserve) if they take him. Unless I am WAY off and he went down to Caloundra for that challenger but that would leave nothing for him there after unless for un-necessary travel.

Anyways, since we seem to be following Eugenie around here, she just destroyed Gavrilova (#1 junior I believe) 1 and 2 in the quarters of the Burnie tournament in Australia. She should just stay there, must be the air or something.

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 02:42 PM
She plays a qualifier next in the SFs as well. Both of them are 16.

FormerRafaFan
02-03-2011, 03:03 PM
Did I miss Melzer getting fined for not trying? Did Melzer not try or did he play poorly?

Yesterday, did Raonic not try or did he play poorly?

Also, do you understand the ranking system? How can a play ranked 27 "have not won a match in like forever". Monaco just beat Gruel in fact last week.

Monaco also beat the following players indoors at the end of last year (his worst surface)

Melzer
Andy Murray (how can we discount his GS?)
De Bakkar
Querrey

I'm sure you will find a way to discount those wins, but the fact remains that facts and results outweigh opinions in real life.

When you talk about James Blake in New York, James has never lost in the US Open to a player who did not reach the top 5 in his career except his original US Open in 98. He is just good there.

I'm just saying that Melzer LOOKED like he didn't want to be there, therefore I don't think he really cared if he won or lost. I'm just explaining what I noticed while watching the match. Peter won, yes, but this was against a Melzer who well, didn't give it his best..

I didn't watch the Raonic match yesterday, but I'd say he tried, he just played poorly, because he kinda "lost" his serve according to some people here.

Monaco will drop like a stone soon enough, just wait and see. Maybe he has won a couple of matches lately, but not exactly a lot. He has basically not gone past R1 or R2 in quite some time.

You can say what you want about Blake, but truth is that Peter had his chances against him and really should have won that match, again Peter is mentally weak and too inconsistent.

Whatever, I'm done discussing this now. We'll never agree, so lets just agree to disagree, shall we?

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Monaco might drop, but that match was played four months ago and he hasn't dropped yet. In fact he had his best performance of his career since then. SF in Shanghei.

misty1
02-03-2011, 03:29 PM
That's a clear lie, you didn't even put Peter in the second scenario. Don't backtrack. You have your opinion, its a terrible one, but at least have the guts to stick to it.

since when does writing down list of names constitute a rank?
i never numbered that list, nor did i ever in my previous post try and back out of my oppinion

try understanding what im saying before you attack me

i stay firm to my oppinion and im not backing down

i already admitted back a while ago i couldnt justify giving it to erik over peter

i already made it clear that the reason i thought erik might get one over peter is because he's french canadian..thats it

Snowwy
02-03-2011, 04:16 PM
maybe i cant justify giving it to him over peter but i sure as hell can over vasek

if erik and philip continue to get some good results and vasek and peter continue to flounder around i could see these wild cards ig milos is in the main draw:

frank
erik
philip
peirre
peter

if milos is not in the draw:

milos
frank
erik
philip
pierre

peirre just because its in montreal this year

You didn't even list Peter as an option. How can someone not on the list be above people you put on the list even if its not in order?

misty1
02-03-2011, 04:46 PM
You didn't even list Peter as an option. How can someone not on the list be above people you put on the list even if its not in order?

it was me not thinking when i made the list, writing something before i thought about it and then never going back to fix it

because, as i said already i have admitted i could not justify giving one to erik over peter and i believe i said that after i had made this list

if not i admit my mistake and im saying it now

my reasoning for putting erik in over peter was because i thought that they would give a couple french canadians in there so the quebecers would have something a little extra special to cheer for...even if they didnt do so well

..i mean you look at the wild cards tennis canada gives to the women and they dont make a whole lot more sence..like with valerie tetreault and marie-eve pelletier

FormerRafaFan
02-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Frank:yeah:

letshavefun3
02-03-2011, 11:49 PM
Adil won round two! Into the QFs.

156mphserve
02-03-2011, 11:55 PM
that's into the Semis, Doubles only has 4 rounds;)

big_j_tennis
02-04-2011, 12:22 PM
Bester/Polansky also in semis!

Emeraldhands
02-04-2011, 02:42 PM
Looks like Vasek did travel all the way to Australia after all, kinda weird since this is the last tournament there for a while?

misty1
02-04-2011, 06:45 PM
frank:mad:

i knew he'd lose to mannarino but not in such fashion:o

FormerRafaFan
02-04-2011, 07:39 PM
frank:mad:

i knew he'd lose to mannarino but not in such fashion:o

Seems like he didn't even care if he won or lost today.. maybe he just figured he didn't stand a chance against Mannarino anyway? I don't know.

Anyway, it's not all bad, at least he got to the QF, and beating the #1 seed in R1 is not bad :) At least he'll get 45 points now. Should land him just outside of the Top 200 I think, I haven't done any calculations, and I don't know how many points he's defending from last year, but still.. I was just looking at the rankings. Anywhere from 205 to 220 is possible I guess. He's ranked 234 now. Shouldn't be too long until he cracks the Top 200. Good luck Frank:yeah:

Emeraldhands
02-04-2011, 08:52 PM
I hope they have the livescores for Caloundra for the Qualies, because I am really interested to see how Vasek is going to fare. Other then that tough loss to Russell last week, he was cruising through his first two matches. Here to hoping they have the livescore although I will not hold my breath... other then that I can see him qualifying quite handily in this one.

Emeraldhands
02-04-2011, 08:58 PM
I watched that whole match with Frank and he was never in the match at all, the only game he played relatively well in was the one where Mannarino was serving for the match. A little to late to start playing if you ask me. I see he won't make it to San Jose so I guess next for him will be Memphis then Acapulco.

Emeraldhands
02-04-2011, 08:58 PM
Acapulco or Delray, not to sure which one he will go to.

Emeraldhands
02-04-2011, 09:01 PM
I have this spreadsheet that I work on and right now, the only player who isn't doing better at this point then he was last year is PLD. All players are off to a better start then they were in 2010 (PLD had 18 points at this point last year and has 0 this year so far)

misty1
02-04-2011, 09:02 PM
I watched that whole match with Frank and he was never in the match at all, the only game he played relatively well in was the one where Mannarino was serving for the match. A little to late to start playing if you ask me. I see he won't make it to San Jose so I guess next for him will be Memphis then Acapulco.

was he disinterested? or did it just seem like one of those days where he just wasnt playing well?

because he really cant afford to not care about any tournament at this point

Emeraldhands
02-04-2011, 09:59 PM
Um he was in the game in the first set but when he went down an early break in the second, I don't think he could care less about the match.

Emeraldhands
02-04-2011, 10:00 PM
Like he was missing forehand but they were like BIG misses not line squeakers. Some were like four or five feet pass the baseline

FormerRafaFan
02-04-2011, 10:31 PM
was he disinterested? or did it just seem like one of those days where he just wasnt playing well?

because he really cant afford to not care about any tournament at this point

I saw some of it, and he just seemed kinda.. disinterested. He seemed to just not care. Kinda hard to explain, it's almost as if he didn't want to be there. I honestly don't know, maybe it was both. He didn't want to be there, seemed disinterested, so that's why he didn't play at his best level.

FormerRafaFan
02-04-2011, 10:37 PM
I hope they have the livescores for Caloundra for the Qualies, because I am really interested to see how Vasek is going to fare. Other then that tough loss to Russell last week, he was cruising through his first two matches. Here to hoping they have the livescore although I will not hold my breath... other then that I can see him qualifying quite handily in this one.

I'm interested in Vasek as well.. everyone's been saying what a big talent he is. I don't see him being a bigger talent than Milos, obviously. But he's still yonung and has a good game, at least that's what I heard, I've never seen him play though, so I honestly can't say for sure. But he seemed to be on a little upswing at the end of last season. Hopefully he continues it this season too. Would be nice to see him being consistent by winning a few challenger matches in each tournament. Maybe too much to ask for now, but I have a feeling it won't be too long before he's more consistent at the challenger level :)

I have this spreadsheet that I work on and right now, the only player who isn't doing better at this point then he was last year is PLD. All players are off to a better start then they were in 2010 (PLD had 18 points at this point last year and has 0 this year so far)

That is great! Thanks for the update, because I was actually wondering about that myself. Good to see most of the Canadian players doing well. Hopefully their good form will continue:yeah:

misty1
02-05-2011, 12:01 AM
i dont know..right now i still see vasek having a peter like career but we'll see

letshavefun3
02-05-2011, 02:33 AM
Bester and Polansky into the doubles final in Australia. Bouchard is in the women's final too!

Regenbogen
02-05-2011, 06:32 AM
Bester/Polansky d Matosevic/Statham 6-4 3-6 14-12 :banana: They saved quite a few match points.

FormerRafaFan
02-05-2011, 09:11 AM
Bester/Polansky d Matosevic/Statham 6-4 3-6 14-12 :banana: They saved quite a few match points.

That's good! I wish I cared more about doubles though, but well.. I don't.

Any Canadians trying to qualify this weekend?

FormerRafaFan
02-05-2011, 09:19 AM
Vasek won over Michael Look 6-4, 6-4.

Snowwy
02-05-2011, 01:47 PM
Erik lost in two tight TBs 13 and 5 to the 8 seed in Austrailia.

valexie03
02-05-2011, 02:04 PM
That's good! I wish I cared more about doubles though, but well.. I don't.

Any Canadians trying to qualify this weekend?

Duclos is in the QD in San Jose. Eugénie won the final in Australia :worship:

Emeraldhands
02-05-2011, 04:19 PM
Duclos is actually in the Qualies Draw as the seventh seed and should at the very least make the final round to get those 6 points.

letshavefun3
02-05-2011, 07:03 PM
Well Adil is in the doubles final in south Africa! But they face the number one seeds.

d_s
02-05-2011, 10:08 PM
Duclos is actually in the Qualies Draw as the seventh seed and should at the very least make the final round to get those 6 points.

He was "supposed" to win last week too and get the 6 points. :o
Any win would be good at this point...

nice job to Adil :yeah:

FormerRafaFan
02-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Vasek won 64 36 61 over Easton.

Just one more match before he's in the MD. C'mon Vasek!

Snowwy
02-06-2011, 01:55 PM
Adil won his first ATP doubles tournament.

Gonzil
02-06-2011, 02:31 PM
Congratulations to Adil. There is an article on their win on the ATP site: http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/02/5/Doubles-Sunday-Cerretani-and-Shamasdin-Win-Johannesburg.aspx

Given his family origins in Africa, I am surprised Adil makes the mistake of calling Africa a "country" but I suppose he has the disadvantages of a Western upbringing. Or maybe he was misquoted.

Gonzil
02-06-2011, 02:46 PM
Philip has drawn James Ward in Caloundra, while Peter has Tomic which should be interesting (though somehow I don't see Peter coming out of that well).

PLD did beat the fruitery in San Jose and therefore won his expected 6 points.

misty1
02-06-2011, 02:51 PM
i honestly dont see any way at all that peter will beat bernard and its questionable that philip can even beat ward

im predciting a double first round loss there

FormerRafaFan
02-06-2011, 03:54 PM
Philip has drawn James Ward in Caloundra, while Peter has Tomic which should be interesting (though somehow I don't see Peter coming out of that well).

PLD did beat the fruitery in San Jose and therefore won his expected 6 points.

Yeah, I honestly don't see Peter beating Tomic. I don't understand why peter always gets so difficult draws? I thought Frank was the only one struggling with that problem?:eek:

big_j_tennis
02-06-2011, 11:05 PM
PLD lost 4 and 2 to alex kuznetsov. still good for him to get some points this year...

misty1
02-07-2011, 12:59 PM
vasek lost in the final round of qualifying to di wu of china 3-6, 3-6

Emeraldhands
02-07-2011, 06:59 PM
Yeash, don't know what happened there with Vasek, so much for that early optimism.

misty1
02-07-2011, 09:05 PM
well di wu is a good young player coming up from china and that was never going to be easy so i kind of thought he could lose

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 01:33 AM
bet365 has Philip's match and it looks like he is about to lose the first set!

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:13 AM
Nice win in the second set

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:23 AM
Looks like he might be in trouble in the third just by looking at the swing on the serve. Ward is having no problems holding and Bester is holding to 40

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:28 AM
Nevermind that last post, he has 3 BP's

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:33 AM
One game from the match, C'mon Philip!!

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:40 AM
2 points from the match at 30-0 and chokes away four straight points. Story of Canadian Tennis for you right there.

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:44 AM
Breaks again and now leads 6-5 and serving for the set a second time.

letshavefun3
02-08-2011, 02:48 AM
Thanks for the updates! Go Bester!!

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:50 AM
First matchpoint squandered...

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:51 AM
...now looking at breakpoint, and gets broken back. Wow two times he served for the match and lost both. SAD.

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:53 AM
...Bester down 4-1 in the breaker

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:55 AM
Sorry make that 3-2, I guess they fixed the board after that

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:56 AM
Bester serving down 2-4

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:58 AM
Ward Serving 4-3

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:58 AM
Ward Serving 4-4

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 02:59 AM
Philip serving down 5-4*

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:00 AM
Philip serving at 5-5*

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:00 AM
Ward serving down *5-6, second match point for Philip

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:02 AM
Bester wins the match 4-6, 6-1, 7-6(5). That was a hell of a nailbiter.

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:03 AM
If he had lost that match I think I would have thrown my keyboard out the window along with the mouse.
C'mon Philip, let's make your first Quarter of the year.

156mphserve
02-08-2011, 03:07 AM
Was following the match on my phone and for some reason they never showed the score of the current game, had to rely on the change in betting odds to see who won the point lol, but that was a really odd match, Phil almost blew it bigtime, but glad he managed to squeak out the win:)

When does Peter play?

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:12 AM
Peter is the third match on Center Court but they seem to be only showing scores from Rumba Court 9. Odd if you ask me because I would show Center Court but it was good to see Phil show some mental fortitude in that match and not crumple up like a cheap tent.

misty1
02-08-2011, 03:22 AM
thats a very good win for philip

Snowwy
02-08-2011, 03:32 AM
thats a very good win for philip

Why do you say that? He had a good win last week, but this one is one that he should have expected to win.

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:48 AM
Philip gets Zemlja in the next round who he beat in the first round in Honolulu. I have to say, I don't like his chances too much after the last two weeks.

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:48 AM
I think what Misty1 ment was that it was a good win considering that he pretty much blew the match twice while serving and still won.

Snowwy
02-08-2011, 03:51 AM
Oh that's true. I thought he was going to lose reading your posts.

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 03:54 AM
I want to be optomistic about his chances and Grega really hasn't been playing well lately, but like I said, Philip can't seem to get out of the second round of anything this year.

Gonzil
02-08-2011, 04:23 AM
Milos got to meet with Sampras: http://twitpic.com/3xkm18

He makes Sampras look short!

He tweeted: Just met my idol sampras, its really something special getting to meet the person u grew up idolizing. Lifetime memory

misty1
02-08-2011, 02:22 PM
I think what Misty1 ment was that it was a good win considering that he pretty much blew the match twice while serving and still won.

yes, thankyou:)

it showed good fight on his part not to just give up after blowing several chances to win

Emeraldhands
02-08-2011, 05:00 PM
Philip is playing on Rumba Court again today, so if it's like yesterday we might get to see his livescore in bet365 again.

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 12:16 AM
Yep looks like I was right about Bester, his match should start in about 2 hours. Let's hope he manages to get out of the second round this time. With the win he will be the third best Canadian, points wise this year.

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 12:26 AM
Being able to follow all these Canadians is exciting but what is really exciting is the new deal that Rogers has signed to give us all 9 1000 events and 10 500 events and it is starting in Acapulco.

Blarghman
02-09-2011, 12:32 AM
Being able to follow all these Canadians is exciting but what is really exciting is the new deal that Rogers has signed to give us all 9 1000 events and 10 500 events and it is starting in Acapulco.

Yeah, just saw this news as well. Looks like all the 500 and most of the 1000 events will be on Sportsnet One, though, which I don't get, which sucks for me at least. Good news is it looks like they will actually have some live coverage of these events and:


All events, including the Rogers Cup, will also be available through live streaming on sportsnet.ca.

Nice :cool: Frankly, I'm surprised it took so long for Rogers to get the rights from TSN; seems like a natural fit given Rogers big support of tennis.

156mphserve
02-09-2011, 12:34 AM
I don't have sportsnet 1 either:sad:

Gonzil
02-09-2011, 12:41 AM
I want to vent my frustration that we can't even get a livescore for Peter vs Tomic.

156mphserve
02-09-2011, 12:46 AM
Yeah, was thinking the same think, how can we get live scores from an outside court but not center and the home country's argualbly main player playing:(

letshavefun3
02-09-2011, 12:56 AM
Does anyone have the link to the Bester match? thanks!

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 01:00 AM
bet365 but his match hasn't started yet

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 01:01 AM
http://www.bet365.com/home/default.asp?

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 01:02 AM
I don't get sportsnet one here in Quebec here either (Montreal), but it took us a while to get TSN2 so it might just be a matter of time.

d_s
02-09-2011, 01:42 AM
Peter lost the first set in a TB but leads 3-2 with a break in the 2nd according to this person's twitter: http://twitter.com/jesskirley

d_s
02-09-2011, 01:49 AM
5-2 for Peter

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 01:56 AM
hehe, I was expecting a gal, not a guy. LOL.
Good win in the second there.

Gonzil
02-09-2011, 02:17 AM
Oh dear, Peter broken at beginning of 3rd.

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 02:21 AM
Do you have a livescore Gonzil or just using that twitter feed?

d_s
02-09-2011, 02:36 AM
looks like Peter lost that one 6-3 in the third...

Gonzil
02-09-2011, 02:37 AM
Just the handy twitter feed. The tournaments should do that when they can't manage a livescore.

Well, too bad for Peter, he made a good go of it though.

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 02:44 AM
Looking like a short week for the Canadians, only two left. Diez is really doing bad this year, not too sure what is going on there?

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 02:57 AM
Philip's match is taking forever to start!

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 03:01 AM
Is it raining over there or something?

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 03:05 AM
I just checked the weather there and the gusts are over 45 kph so that might be the reason they ain't playing?

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 03:18 AM
Either they moved Philip's match or someone withdrew because the doubles match that was to be played after his is on right now.

misty1
02-09-2011, 01:16 PM
bester lost

6-7, 6-7 to zemlja

Emeraldhands
02-09-2011, 01:23 PM
Another second round blip from Philip but nothing more.

Emeraldhands
02-10-2011, 12:51 AM
Not to harp on about the NTC, but where the hell are all the guys? I think Peliwo is the only that has done anything this year? I thought that to get better you had to actually, you know, COMPETE? I know that they will probably start their season with the futures in Canada but they should really play more. Milos and Vasek use to play alot from what I remember?

Emeraldhands
02-10-2011, 12:53 AM
Tough loss for Bester, it would be a bummer to know if he had leads in either set?

big_j_tennis
02-10-2011, 12:54 AM
Not to harp on about the NTC, but where the hell are all the guys? I think Peliwo is the only that has done anything this year? I thought that to get better you had to actually, you know, COMPETE? I know that they will probably start their season with the futures in Canada but they should really play more. Milos and Vasek use to play alot from what I remember?

I know DiFeo and Monette will play the Quebec U18 Championship, in early March... :lol::lol::lol: but no ITF as far as I've looked...:confused:

misty1
02-10-2011, 01:05 AM
Tough loss for Bester, it would be a bummer to know if he had leads in either set?

unfortunately i dont know..only going from what someone posted in the results thread

GasquetGulbis
02-10-2011, 01:50 AM
Not to harp on about the NTC, but where the hell are all the guys? I think Peliwo is the only that has done anything this year? I thought that to get better you had to actually, you know, COMPETE? I know that they will probably start their season with the futures in Canada but they should really play more. Milos and Vasek use to play alot from what I remember?

Trkulja was playing in U-18 National Select in Ontario and had to withdraw from his semi-final, so he may be injured.

Emeraldhands
02-10-2011, 01:53 AM
I mean they are playing these matches against other Canadians but shouldn't they be out on the ITF cuicuit or something?

GasquetGulbis
02-10-2011, 02:04 AM
I mean they are playing these matches against other Canadians but shouldn't they be out on the ITF cuicuit or something?

They should've hit up South America while the top players were out in Australia, Trkulja and the others could've gotten into the G2's and G1 maindraw.

Gonzil
02-10-2011, 03:16 AM
This one is good for a laugh: Valentine for Canada http://72.32.204.230/news/NewsDetails.aspx?newsid=8673

I totally agree with you people wondering what is happening with the NTC guys. Strange and worrying.

Emeraldhands
02-10-2011, 01:28 PM
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Emeraldhands
02-10-2011, 11:08 PM
Well the Entry list is out for Canada F1 and it looks like all your usual suspects will be there. I assume they are talking Frank, Milos, Peter and Daniel for the Davis Cup so that leaves Vasek and Philip to play Canada F1. I believe Erik is in Australia and Steven will still be in Europe. Didn't see Klingemann in the entry list so don't know what he is doing. All the NTC guys are in the Qualies or Alternate list. So who are you guys giving the WC's to?

I would give them to and in this order:
1. Krainik
2. Peliwo
3. Di Feo
4. The last one is tough but I can see it going to Rotaru or Niaki only because they have a ranking.

I am not that big in giving them to more experienced players simply because we need to get our young guys into some live action and meaningful games. I can see them making all the juniors qualify, but they should give at least 2 to Peliwo and Krainik. As for Nguyen, I think I saw him in the Qualies draw in a Thailand G1 around this time so I have no clue if he plans to play here or not.

Last point, I didn't see Filip Obucina in the list at all. Is he still injured and if he is it must be one hell of an injury because I think he has played like one tournament in the last 12 months. Kind of stunts the development curve a little if you ask me.

GasquetGulbis
02-10-2011, 11:17 PM
Well the Entry list is out for Canada F1 and it looks like all your usual suspects will be there. I assume they are talking Frank, Milos, Peter and Daniel for the Davis Cup so that leaves Vasek and Philip to play Canada F1. I believe Erik is in Australia and Steven will still be in Europe. Didn't see Klingemann in the entry list so don't know what he is doing. All the NTC guys are in the Qualies or Alternate list. So who are you guys giving the WC's to?

I would give them to and in this order:
1. Krainik
2. Peliwo
3. Di Feo
4. The last one is tough but I can see it going to Rotaru or Niaki only because they have a ranking.

I am not that big in giving them to more experienced players simply because we need to get our young guys into some live action and meaningful games. I can see them making all the juniors qualify, but they should give at least 2 to Peliwo and Krainik. As for Nguyen, I think I saw him in the Qualies draw in a Thailand G1 around this time so I have no clue if he plans to play here or not.

Last point, I didn't see Filip Obucina in the list at all. Is he still injured and if he is it must be one hell of an injury because I think he has played like one tournament in the last 12 months. Kind of stunts the development curve a little if you ask me.

You are aware that Obucina and Di Feo are born in 1995, and even if they are doing well in the juniors, it seems kind of strange to give them wildcards over players ranked higher than them in the ITF.

I'd say the 3 wildcards go to Krainik, Peliwo and Nguyen. Then again they could give one to Zach White, even though he's playing College tennis now, he's still really good. Haessig is on an entry list in Turkey, and Ochotta in the US.

Gonzil
02-11-2011, 12:59 AM
What about Monette? I would expect them to give the WC to him over Nguyen.

d_s
02-11-2011, 01:18 AM
El Tabakh? Jha?

Emeraldhands
02-11-2011, 01:23 AM
I think a number of people could get the wildcards. But aren't wildcards at futures normally given to young up and comers in that particular country. Sure Obucina and Di Feo are young but they need that exp. to up the confidence that they can play at this level and Di Feo is going to turn 16 in a few months anyways.

Snowwy
02-11-2011, 01:23 AM
Really good entry list.

Emeraldhands
02-11-2011, 01:24 AM
A guy I thought would have a decent career would have been Bruno but I guess he wasn't up to all the travelling or just didn't think he would be good enough.

GasquetGulbis
02-11-2011, 03:24 AM
I just don't see the logic in giving it to the YOUNGEST talent. Guys like Trkulja and Nguyen and Ochotta are still young, and have done better in the passed year than the others.

That's basically like saying at the Rogers Cup, lets not give Polansky the wildcard, lets give it to Peliwo, he needs the experience. (Sorry if this starts another huge debate). The wildcards should go to the most skilled players who can't make the draw themselves.

Gonzil
02-11-2011, 03:44 AM
Let's hope that they at least don't give the WCs to players that could have made the draw but didn't bother to sign up, like they did last year (in the later round of Futures).

Emeraldhands
02-11-2011, 01:28 PM
I guess that is what I meant Gonzil. I want them to give it to younger players but maybe not the yougest, the only one I gave a wildcard to that was maybe not warranted was Di Feo. I just gave it to him over Nguyen because I think I saw Nguyen in some entry list in a G1 in Thailand which is around the same time as this. Maybe he will quit that one if he get the wildcard in Montreal. Maybe they will give different WC's to different players for the two futures event. I can't wait to see the entry list of the Rimouski Challenger.

letshavefun3
02-13-2011, 01:10 AM
Looks like Adil got a good draw in France http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/496/mdd.pdf

GasquetGulbis
02-13-2011, 06:21 AM
Alejandro Tabilo lost in the quarter-finals of a U-16 Select Tournament. Because he's still only 14, he was only the 6th seed, but I still expected him to do better, lost to the 4th seed, whose brother has been doing ITF qualifying lately.

letshavefun3
02-13-2011, 06:29 PM
Looks like Adil won his second doubles title in a row but this time he won a challenger in Quimper, France!

Gonzil
02-13-2011, 07:54 PM
Great result for Adil. We really have an embarras de choix of potential DC players.

big_j_tennis
02-13-2011, 08:45 PM
Great that Adil is stepping up. I don't think he'll play DC this year while everyone is healthy, but when Daniel will retire (which will have to be someday...) he will definetly be a solid player to rely on for the doubles...

Gonzil
02-14-2011, 04:21 AM
Nice bit from Challenger Tennis about Adil in blog today:

"In winning the Quimper dubs title with American partner James Cerretani, he’s now made 12 Challenger doubles finals in the last 15 months, with 6 different partners, winning 4 of them (finals, not partners). Not to mention he and Cerretani also won an ATP title last week in Jo’burg. I got to see him play with Vasek Pospisil at the Dallas Challenger last year, and I was seriously impressed. It genuinely bothers me that he doesn’t get more attention in the tennis world. Guess I’ll have to do my next “Spotlight On” profile about Adil…"

http://challengertennis.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/challenger-tennis-week-six-in-review/#more-1253

FormerRafaFan
02-14-2011, 07:06 AM
I know Peter is back home in Canada, but where is he playing next? Does anyone know?

big_j_tennis
02-15-2011, 02:10 AM
Steven Diez lost in the first round of a Spanish futures 16-16, to a guy barely ranked above him (in the 400). I really don't know what to think about him anymore, since he seemed to be a pretty good up and comer and seems to be stagnating(if not worse) for the past year/year and a half. Is it because Galo Blanco isn't with him anymore??

dancy_fan
02-15-2011, 07:40 PM
I know Peter is back home in Canada, but where is he playing next? Does anyone know?
-Peter and Frank are playing Delray Beach Qual.

letshavefun3
02-16-2011, 07:06 PM
Adil lost first round doubles in France against a WC team. The played awful in the tiebreak losing 10-2

Emeraldhands
02-18-2011, 08:00 PM
Wonder what Pierre, Vasek and Philip are going to do this week. I wonder if they are going to try and qualify for Delray Beach? I know that Frank and Peter will be there so if they try that would make five Canadians in the Qualies draw. Vasek and Philip might go straight back home and get ready for the futures events there but who knows.

I keep seeing Haessig in the Turkey futures entry lists but he keeps withdrawing for some reason, I guess he feels he is either not ready or is just too far down the alternates list to make the qualies. Maybe Blanco (he was Diez's caoch right?) left Diez because he was too much of a loose cannon. Not the same player as we saw last year and defenitely taking a few steps back from where we thought he was going to be. Kinda reminds me of the start that Milos had last year.

letshavefun3
02-19-2011, 12:57 AM
I know Bester and Vasek are taking the week off then the next two weeks are the two Canadian futures.

letshavefun3
02-19-2011, 01:21 AM
and Pierre's in Acapulco

Emeraldhands
02-19-2011, 03:29 AM
This might be bad to say but Peter ain't going to make it, even if he does make it to the final round, he will probably get Sweeting who has owned him recently. Frank gets a tough first round and could get Tomic in the second round, ah the draw gods are back to work.

Snowwy
02-19-2011, 04:54 AM
Its an ATP event so some quality players will be in the qualifying draw. Its not a bad draw for either.

Emeraldhands
02-19-2011, 07:26 PM
Peter meekly bows out in the first round. After what Milos has done recently it's almost sad to see what has happened to Peter. Peter was suppose to be what Milos is right now (maybe not to this extent) but has never had the mental game to make it further.

Emeraldhands
02-19-2011, 07:26 PM
Milos is playing so well that it almost makes you forget that their are other Canadians out there playing.

letshavefun3
02-19-2011, 07:28 PM
Totally agree, Peter's consistent disappointment(as of late at least) is easier to forget now that Milos is on the scene.

big_j_tennis
02-19-2011, 08:19 PM
PLD is on serve 5-5 against Capdeville in Acapulco...

156mphserve
02-19-2011, 08:21 PM
yeah, I kind of thought oh well after peter's loss, because of Milos. 1 year ago I woulda been pissed at him:lol:

Emeraldhands
02-19-2011, 08:31 PM
Let's hope for better luck with Frank, but I don't know...

Emeraldhands
02-19-2011, 08:32 PM
Wasn't Frank playing Ryan Harrison in the first round?

letshavefun3
02-19-2011, 08:58 PM
Harrison got a Main Draw WC

letshavefun3
02-19-2011, 10:52 PM
Frank won in two sets!