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James Ward ...please explain the wildcard in Sydney

scotthongkong
01-09-2011, 05:01 AM
Any help from someone would be greatly appreciated. Before Tomic and Guccione qualified we had one male player Matthew Ebden in the main draw as a wild card. I can understand del Potro to a certain extent but James Ward for the UK???????

save ausdecline
01-09-2011, 05:50 AM
Sydney organisers have been know to give some wildcards to deserving players/players who attract crowds but also "local Sydney players" (undeserving of a WC). Makes me wonder or guess whether this James Ward is based in Sydney and had to suck some cock (excuse my language) to get into the main draw.

n8
01-09-2011, 06:26 AM
I asked the same thing in the Tournament thread.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173214&page=3

A poster from the UK said "Part of an agreement with UK tennis association"

Hewitt =Legend
01-09-2011, 06:56 AM
To be more specific it's an agreement with Queens Club. Remember how they gave Tomic a wildcard to Queens last year? Well this is part of the deal, that we give one to a UK player to Sydney.

scotthongkong
01-09-2011, 08:40 AM
I just feel like our blokes struggle as it is and a wild card in one of the very few tournaments we have each year to a player from the UK really does not seem the right thing to do. We could have had only one player if the two boys did not qualify today. I think it is a really stupid decision.

Hewitt =Legend
01-09-2011, 08:59 AM
I just feel like our blokes struggle as it is and a wild card in one of the very few tournaments we have each year to a player from the UK really does not seem the right thing to do. We could have had only one player if the two boys did not qualify today. I think it is a really stupid decision.

Understand your viewpoint and to an extent I agree with you, but on the other hand it's very important that our players get experience and play overseas on different surfaces. I mean, the whole season isn't played in Australia is it so if they really are good enough, they will make use of the opportunity presented at Queens, whoever the player may be.

Matchu
01-09-2011, 09:55 AM
I just feel like our blokes struggle as it is and a wild card in one of the very few tournaments we have each year to a player from the UK really does not seem the right thing to do. We could have had only one player if the two boys did not qualify today. I think it is a really stupid decision.

You have to understand the Tennis Australia made this agreement with the best intentions in mind for our future generation (Tomic specifically in this case). I believe TA did a similar deal back in 2009/2010 where Bernard received a wildcard into Wimbledon qualifying due to his ranking not being high enough at the time and in return Laura Robson also received a qualifying wildcard into the 2010 Australian Open. We are simply utilizing the tools in our hands to give our players chances to play in overseas tournaments, for too long our players have struggled to get results outside of Australia and this is a step in the right direction and we should be commending TA for doing it.

The unfortunate thing about the situation was Juan Martin Del Potro coming back and requesting a wildcard into Sydney, which he was always going to get. If it weren't for Del Potro requesting a wildcard we would have two players to give wildcards to and I doubt anyone would be complaining. The worrying factor could be Bernard receiving a wildcard into Monte Carlo Masters last year and us losing a wildcard to Monaco for the AO or something like that, that would really hurt us.

Consigliere
01-09-2011, 10:40 AM
a wildcard here is worth more than there because we have more depth so its not a good trade imo.

Matchu
01-09-2011, 12:21 PM
a wildcard here is worth more than there because we have more depth so its not a good trade imo.

Queens without a shadow of a doubt pulls a much much stronger field than Brisbane and Sydney so to say that it is not a good trade is just ridiculous. Bernard may have been drawn to play Nadal on grass second round in Queens (arguably the most prestigious 250 tournament on the tour) but that would not happen in Sydney or Brisbane. You can't underestimate an experience like that for a 17 year old. Surely you can understand that is much more better for Austalian tennis than having given a wildcard to someone like Millman or Matosevic who would most likely lose their first rounds in Sydney.

Just because Australia has more players ranked between the 100-250 region does not mean we shouldn't be using opportunities like this to give our players international experience, especially on Grass which is extremely rare on the tour. If it weren't for Del Potro any other year if we were to do this deal we would have two players in the main draw of Sydney and one playing in Queens guaranteed, how is that not good? I mean look at the history of Aussie wildcards, really analyze it because hardly any of them get passed the first round in Brisbane/Adelaide, Sydney or even Melbourne.

RustyOz
01-09-2011, 08:20 PM
Can't agree with you Matchu. A player would get even better experience playing the qualifying at Queen's than playing a top seed in the Main Draw and losing confidence. Look at this weekend - Tomic played three great confidence building matches in qualifying - the same thing he should have done in Brisbane. He has now justified his place in the main draw and for any further WC;s TA sends his way this summer. The WC swop is not beneficial in this case to the Australian players in my opinion.

Consigliere
01-10-2011, 07:01 AM
Queens without a shadow of a doubt pulls a much much stronger field than Brisbane and Sydney so to say that it is not a good trade is just ridiculous. Bernard may have been drawn to play Nadal on grass second round in Queens (arguably the most prestigious 250 tournament on the tour) but that would not happen in Sydney or Brisbane. You can't underestimate an experience like that for a 17 year old. Surely you can understand that is much more better for Austalian tennis than having given a wildcard to someone like Millman or Matosevic who would most likely lose their first rounds in Sydney.

Just because Australia has more players ranked between the 100-250 region does not mean we shouldn't be using opportunities like this to give our players international experience, especially on Grass which is extremely rare on the tour. If it weren't for Del Potro any other year if we were to do this deal we would have two players in the main draw of Sydney and one playing in Queens guaranteed, how is that not good? I mean look at the history of Aussie wildcards, really analyze it because hardly any of them get passed the first round in Brisbane/Adelaide, Sydney or even Melbourne.

fk me the english dont even give wildcards to their own players at wimbledon because theyre so sh1t.

next you'll try and tell me we should give a qatari guy a wildcard because the doha cutoff is better than here.

Hewitt =Legend
01-10-2011, 08:00 AM
Don't see that big of a problem here. Our players have to learn how to play overseas and on different surfaces like I said before, and this is a guarenteed chance to do that. And like Matchu said before, it's not every year that a player like Del Potro will request a wildcard so we will still have an opportunity to give 2 wildcards to Aussies.

This decision is designed to benefit us in the future anyway.

scotthongkong
01-10-2011, 09:16 AM
Can't agree with you Matchu. A player would get even better experience playing the qualifying at Queen's than playing a top seed in the Main Draw and losing confidence. Look at this weekend - Tomic played three great confidence building matches in qualifying - the same thing he should have done in Brisbane. He has now justified his place in the main draw and for any further WC;s TA sends his way this summer. The WC swop is not beneficial in this case to the Australian players in my opinion.

Well said RustyOz. I can not agree with Matchu's standpoint here at all.

Hewitt =Legend
01-10-2011, 11:07 AM
Most of our players current rankings are not even good enough to get into Queens qualies directly so they wouldn't even get an opportunity there. I believe they are thinking long term with this agreement and its refreshing to see.

I understand perfectly where scotthongkong and rustyoz are coming from and yes It's annoying that more of our home players didn't get into Sydney, but sooner or later we have to learn how to travel the world and play in contrasting environments and this agreement gives them the opportunity. How often do we see Aussies play so well at home and then do nothing for the rest of the year. Gooch in Adelaide and Sydney, Sirianni in Adelaide, Looch in Sydney last year, Tomic hasn't matched his Aussie form overseas and you could even throw in Ball making the final of his home town in LA. Also remains to be seen how Ebden will do after his QF in Brisbane. Apart from Hewitt, and Looch making a few QF here and there these are our players best results on the ATP World Tour.

This trend has to broaden if we want to succeed as a powerful tennis nation again and this partnership with Queens is a small step in the right direction.