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Why Nadal is so mentally fragile against Davydenko?

prafull
01-07-2011, 03:11 PM
Why Nadal always chokes and plays poorly against Davydenko? More often than not he misses lots of break point chances, even if he gets the upper hand he always gifts it back to Davy. No doubt Davy produces some unbelievable angles and keeps nadal on the run all the time but Nadal misses some shots he will make against any other opponent.
Discuss...

theKSHE
01-07-2011, 03:12 PM
This might be the funniest thread in MTF. You were waiting for Nadal to lose a set against him today to spread your message...

Orka_n
01-07-2011, 03:13 PM
Just like Fed makes Soderling play poorly, Davydenko takes Nadal out of his comfort zone. That is called being a "bad match-up" in tennis. His early hitting takes away Nadal's time and it makes Rafa a bit desperate.

oranges
01-07-2011, 03:16 PM
Welcome to the epiphany of what a bad matchup mean, if it comes eventually

doomsday
01-07-2011, 03:18 PM
Davydenko is a better player.:)

rafa_maniac
01-07-2011, 03:26 PM
I don't think it would have mattered who he played today, he's not even competitive.

djb84xi
01-07-2011, 03:41 PM
I don't believe it's a case of being mentally fragile. He can beat Davydenko, on any surface, but he's got to know by now, trying to hit Davy off the court using all that topspin, simply WON'T work. Last year, he was hitting flatter and was more offensive minded, which is why he came relatively close in beating him. That's the way he should always approach a match with Davydenko, because it gives him a better chance. Why Nadal hasn't learned that yet, is beyond me. He should know better.

Pfloyd
01-07-2011, 03:56 PM
All players have a boogeyman, Davydenko is Nadal's.

Especially on HC.

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 04:01 PM
nonsense........should davydenko fall in his quarter at the AO, he will be eaten alive by nadal........the last three times donkey beat him, nadal was not physically okay for the battle.......

swisht4u
01-07-2011, 04:03 PM
All players have a boogeyman, Davydenko is Nadal's.

Especially on HC.

True, it doesn't matter how well Nadal plays, Davydenko is too quick and the ball comes back too fast on hards.

alfonsojose
01-07-2011, 04:08 PM
Anyone with a decent backhand (Kolya, Nalbandian, JesusFed every 500 years, etc.) can hurt Nadull :p

straitup
01-07-2011, 04:11 PM
Why Nadal always chokes and plays poorly against Davydenko? More often than not he misses lots of break point chances, even if he gets the upper hand he always gifts it back to Davy. No doubt Davy produces some unbelievable angles and keeps nadal on the run all the time but Nadal misses some shots he will make against any other opponent.
Discuss...

Maybe because Nikolay can return well and has a good gameplan against him (and a game that is strong against the topspin Rafa has)

ApproachShot
01-07-2011, 04:16 PM
Perhaps it is because of Davydenko's ability to hit the ball early, but Nadal really ought to be leading this series. As it is, Davydenko could well end his career with a positive H2H against Rafa; he now has a 6-4 lead over the Spaniard (which incidentally is the same as the Krajicek-Sampras H2H).

Arkulari
01-07-2011, 04:18 PM
it's a bad matchup and that's it :shrug:
every player has weaknesses and can lose at given times, you gotta be really brain damaged to believe that someone can only lose if they are injured/sick/tired

evilmindbulgaria
01-07-2011, 04:20 PM
"Mentally fragile" :D

Nadal has a history of struggling against solid two-handed backhands. Add to this how well Davydenko takes the ball on the rise and here is a recipe for troubling Nadal on fast/medium hardcourts.

How come Davydenko can't win against Rafa on clay?

Orka_n
01-07-2011, 04:21 PM
If Denko ends up in Nadal's quarter in the AO draw, I will cry out of joy.

samanosuke
01-07-2011, 04:23 PM
5-4 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D402&oId=N409)

it is sometimes better be quite

luie
01-07-2011, 04:23 PM
Bad match-up.Davy takes time away from nadull,,, 6-4 overall & 6-1 on HC tells a definitive story.
No plan B.
This is why I keep questioning nadull's improvement on HC, he beats the players he is supposed to & loses to the players he should.

Nadull_tard
01-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Davydenko is a better HC player and has the response for all of Nadal's shots. In other words, Nadal has no real weapons against Kolya on hard.
The same question you can ask is why Federer is so bad against Nadull?

River
01-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Are we really pulling this bullshit out? LOL

But seriously, Davy always was the better striker on the hardcourts. It's a shame he can't convert it to a GS victory.

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 04:37 PM
it's a bad matchup and that's it :shrug:
every player has weaknesses and can lose at given times, you gotta be really brain damaged to believe that someone can only lose if they are injured/sick/tired

or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........

you are just a fed fangirl who is dying to see someone owning nadal identical to nadal owning fed.......that's not going to happen.......

abraxas21
01-07-2011, 04:40 PM
In SDG's mind everyone whos not as fanatical for Nadal as him is automatically a "Fed fanboy/girl".

oranges
01-07-2011, 04:42 PM
1:6 on hard, but da fail insisting he's not owned on the surface :haha:

Orka_n
01-07-2011, 04:46 PM
I never try to reason with Start da Game. If I believed that anything could get through to that guy, then I would be as ignorant as... well... Start da Game.

mark73
01-07-2011, 04:49 PM
or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........

you are just a fed fangirl who is dying to see someone owning nadal identical to nadal owning fed.......that's not going to happen.......

Nadal only looses when he is hurt or injured, right? :retard:

Arkulari
01-07-2011, 04:49 PM
Start Da Game does exactly what he accuses others of doing: blind worship of a player :shrug:

Trying to reason with him is akin to try to reason with a 5-year old kid about why he can't watch Ben 10 all day long :o

misty1
01-07-2011, 04:51 PM
or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........

you are just a fed fangirl who is dying to see someone owning nadal identical to nadal owning fed.......that's not going to happen.......

oh give me a break you cant find an excuse for every win davy has over him. On hard courts davy is simply the superior player, accept it

Lleyton_
01-07-2011, 04:52 PM
nonsense........should davydenko fall in his quarter at the AO, he will be eaten alive by nadal........the last three times donkey beat him, nadal was not physically okay for the battle.......

Yes Nadal never loses unless injured/tired/sick :worship:

Chartreuse
01-07-2011, 04:54 PM
Bad matchup on HC. On clay and grass Nadal will always beat Davy.

Arkulari
01-07-2011, 04:57 PM
Bad matchup on HC. On clay and grass Nadal will always beat Davy.

Anyone can beat Kolya on grass :lol: but yeah, I do agree with this, Kolya takes the ball very early and it gives Rafa issues on HC, there's no match on clay because Rafa is supreme on that surface :yeah:

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 05:02 PM
carry on, desperate blind fedlovers........you will never in your lives succeed in finding someone owning nadal with a 14-8 or 6-2 in slams kind of lead........

just don;t forget to show up on MTF if davydenko falls in nadal's quarter in a slam.......

and arkulari, you never seize to bore me with your blindest fed worshiping.......for someone who claims to be a fedal fan, you are far from it actually and anyone can see it........appreciating nadal haters and mocking nadal fans including clay death who treated you like his best friend in the castle thread........amazing girl, keep it going........

Sophocles
01-07-2011, 05:04 PM
Save it for the therapy session dude. You're paying good money for that.

DrJules
01-07-2011, 05:05 PM
or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........

you are just a fed fangirl who is dying to see someone owning nadal identical to nadal owning fed.......that's not going to happen.......

In SDG's mind everyone whos not as fanatical for Nadal as him is automatically a "Fed fanboy/girl".

1:6 on hard, but da fail insisting he's not owned on the surface :haha:

I never try to reason with Start da Game. If I believed that anything could get through to that guy, then I would be as ignorant as... well... Start da Game.

Nadal only looses when he is hurt or injured, right? :retard:

Start Da Game does exactly what he accuses others of doing: blind worship of a player :shrug:

Trying to reason with him is akin to try to reason with a 5-year old kid about why he can't watch Ben 10 all day long :o

oh give me a break you cant find an excuse for every win davy has over him. On hard courts davy is simply the superior player, accept it

Yes Nadal never loses unless injured/tired/sick :worship:

Start da Game fails to understand that there are players who play in such a way that it gives you problems that would not be indicated by your ranking. Often known as match-up issues.

Nadal plays a style that exploits Federer's weaknesses.

Davydenko plays a style that exploits Nadal's weaknesses (the Davydenko style is very fiendly to Federer who will mostly win against Davydenko).

Sampras had issues with the way Krajicek played.

In all cases the better player had a losing record.

oranges
01-07-2011, 05:06 PM
To be fair, Kolya is one of the few who can put up a fight on clay, should really have won that Rome match. He'll lose more often than not either way on clay.

Corey Feldman
01-07-2011, 05:06 PM
carry on, desperate blind fedlovers........you will never in your lives succeed in finding someone owning nadal with a 14-8 or 6-2 in slams kind of lead........

just don;t forget to show up on MTF if davydenko falls in nadal's quarter in a slam.......

and arkulari, you never seize to bore me with your blindest fed worshiping.......for someone who claims to be a fedal fan, you are far from it actually and anyone can see it........appreciating nadal haters and mocking nadal fans including clay death who treated you like his best friend in the castle thread........amazing girl, keep it going........:lol:

http://rlv.zcache.com/all_stressed_out_card-p137821907339668121cip5_400.jpg

Orka_n
01-07-2011, 05:07 PM
carry on, desperate blind fedlovers........you will never in your lives succeed in finding someone owning nadal with a 14-8 or 6-2 in slams kind of lead........

just don;t forget to show up on MTF if davydenko falls in nadal's quarter in a slam.......

and arkulari, you never seize to bore me with your blindest fed worshiping.......for someone who claims to be a fedal fan, you are far from it actually and anyone can see it........appreciating nadal haters and mocking nadal fans including clay death who treated you like his best friend in the castle thread........amazing girl, keep it going........Calm down, have some kittens.

http://www.cuteheaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kittens.jpg

vauxguy
01-07-2011, 05:08 PM
I'm pleased to see Davydenko win but there's no doubt Nadal is unwell. The commentators on eurosport have been talking about it all week, him having flu. It's a mark of his character that he played on and started to put up more of a fight when 4-0 down, not wanting a bagel set. Be interesting to know if he's pulled out of the doubles final with Lopez.

luie
01-07-2011, 05:10 PM
Start da Game fails to understand that there are players who play in such a way that it gives you problems that would not be indicated by your ranking. Often known as match-up issues.

Nadal plays a style that exploits Federer's weaknesses.

Davydenko plays a style that exploits Nadal's weaknesses (the Davydenko style is very fiendly to Federer who will mostly win against Davydenko).

Sampras had issues with the way Krajicek played.

In all cases the better player had a losing record.
Yes even Micheal stich had a better h2h than samprass but sampras was the better player overall.;)

luie
01-07-2011, 05:13 PM
I'm pleased to see Davydenko win but there's no doubt Nadal is unwell. The commentators on eurosport have been talking about it all week, him having flu. It's a mark of his character that he played on and started to put up more of a fight when 4-0 down, not wanting a bagel set. Be interesting to know if he's pulled out of the doubles final with Lopez.
Yet he is currently playing in the doubles final.:rolleyes:

samanosuke
01-07-2011, 05:14 PM
Only thing interesting in start da brain for me is how this guy surviving day after day in today's world ?
And than some people use to say that the God isn't mercy .

Chiseller
01-07-2011, 05:14 PM
it is sometimes better be quite
:lol:

rofe
01-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Only thing interesting in start da brain for me is how this guy surviving day after day in today's world ?
And than some people use to say that the God isn't mercy .

It is because he is a troll. He gets a high by trolling. Doubt he is like that in real life.

Arkulari
01-07-2011, 05:19 PM
carry on, desperate blind fedlovers........you will never in your lives succeed in finding someone owning nadal with a 14-8 or 6-2 in slams kind of lead........

just don;t forget to show up on MTF if davydenko falls in nadal's quarter in a slam.......

and arkulari, you never seize to bore me with your blindest fed worshiping.......for someone who claims to be a fedal fan, you are far from it actually and anyone can see it........appreciating nadal haters and mocking nadal fans including clay death who treated you like his best friend in the castle thread........amazing girl, keep it going........

I've never mistreated CD, because I think he's a great poster and I like him a lot so please don't say things that aren't true, never mocked him because he is a rational person you can speak to unlike yourself.

I don't mock Fedal fans, I mock the TARDS; yes, Rafa owns Roger in GS and in the h2h, so what? does that somehow lessen his accomplishments? no, they are both great champions and haters like you cannot see behind your own bias, we're lucky to witness such amazing players

You're a blind Rafatard, who thinks Rafa is some kind of immortal video game warrior that cannot lose unless he's sick/injured/tired and cannot deal with the fact that yes, he's the best fighter the sport has ever seen but even he can lose sometimes when the opponent plays better and he's not in his finest day (Roger has lost matches like that over and over and over again and I am not blind to that either)

DrJules
01-07-2011, 05:21 PM
It is because he is a troll. He gets a high by trolling. Doubt he is like that in real life.

Probably worse if that is possible and talks in morse code.

samanosuke
01-07-2011, 05:24 PM
Probably worse if that is possible and talks in morse code.

:haha:

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 05:27 PM
Start da Game fails to understand that there are players who play in such a way that it gives you problems that would not be indicated by your ranking. Often known as match-up issues.

Nadal plays a style that exploits Federer's weaknesses.

Davydenko plays a style that exploits Nadal's weaknesses (the Davydenko style is very fiendly to Federer who will mostly win against Davydenko).

Sampras had issues with the way Krajicek played.

In all cases the better player had a losing record.

i never said he never struggles you fools.......i am saying just this much:

nadal retired in paris 2008, was totally low on his game and confidence due to the knee injury in 2009 when he skipped even the slams, which is when davydenko won 3 more times........

sampras had issues with not just krajicek, he had issues with several big servers who served him some of his own medicine........the difference being sampras never let anyone dominate while your god not only gets owned but cries.......

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 05:28 PM
Only thing interesting in start da brain for me is how this guy surviving day after day in today's world ?
And than some people use to say that the God isn't mercy .

wsa htat ni neglsih?

samanosuke
01-07-2011, 05:30 PM
wsa htat ni neglsih?

you are probably proud on yourself . When you don't know what to say , low blows . Proud nadaltard . But how you could forgot to say 14-8 ?

Corey Feldman
01-07-2011, 05:32 PM
least Denko gave #1 a couple of sympathy games in the end

6-0 would have been harsh

vauxguy
01-07-2011, 05:33 PM
Yet he is currently playing in the doubles final.:rolleyes:

Then I think that's a mark of Nadal's loyalty to his friend Lopez.

Interesting that when a player who is under the weather plays on he gets stick for it. I doubt if Rafal himself would use it as an excuse for losing though obviously many of his fans on MTF do so. If this had been Djokovic I doubt if he'd played on.

But all credit to Davydenko, he's a great player.

Singularity
01-07-2011, 05:40 PM
or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........
There was nothing physically wrong with Nadal in the last three matches they played. By "knee episode", what you refer to is that period where Nadal hadn't won anything since his return, so wasn't fully confident. Essentially you're discounting those matches where Nadal played poorly.

If you're going to do that, then the H2H is worthless anyway. The H2H reflects players' relative form going into matches, as much as it does their inherent ability; that's the point. When you start taking out matches because they don't suit your agenda, what you're really saying is the H2H itself isn't meaningful. That's exactly the perspective Federer fans take with regard to the 8-14 figure.

I'm glad to see you can agree with them!

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 05:47 PM
There was nothing physically wrong with Nadal in the last three matches they played. By "knee episode", what you refer to is that period where Nadal hadn't won anything since his return, so wasn't fully confident. Essentially you're discounting those matches where Nadal played poorly.

If you're going to do that, then the H2H is worthless anyway. The H2H reflects players' relative form going into matches, as much as it does their inherent ability; that's the point. When you start taking out matches because they don't suit your agenda, what you're really saying is the H2H itself isn't meaningful. That's exactly the perspective Federer fans take with regard to the 8-14 figure.

I'm glad to see you can agree with them!

way to make your own assumptions and reach your own conclusion........you can spin it whichever way, no one ever owned nadal 14-8 and light years from owning 6-2 in slams, never........

just don't forget to show up on MTF when davydenko falls in nadal's quarter at the AO........

Corey Feldman
01-07-2011, 05:51 PM
:lol: samanosuke

always owning start the game like Denko over Nadal :worship:

luie
01-07-2011, 05:55 PM
Davy > nadull.

A_Skywalker
01-07-2011, 05:57 PM
I think the haters would cry after Australian Open final. So have fun now :p

samanosuke
01-07-2011, 05:58 PM
I think the haters would cry after Australian Open final. So have fun now :p

clearly too much of star wars

Singularity
01-07-2011, 06:01 PM
way to make your own assumptions and reach your own conclusion........you can spin it whichever way, no one ever owned nadal 14-8 and light years from owning 6-2 in slams, never........

just don't forget to show up on MTF when davydenko falls in nadal's quarter at the AO........
And the Fed alt of yourself would respond: yes, but how many times has Nadal beat a 'fit' Federer on hardcourt and grass, highlighting Feds slump of 2008 - just like you highlighted Nadal's slump of 2009. If you automatically discount this sort of justification, then you cannot then use it to explain away Nadal's losses. That's my point.

And sure, maybe Nadal will beat Davydenko if they meet at the AO. Doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

malisha
01-07-2011, 06:02 PM
their Roma 2007 match said it all basically

great match it was and Nadal won due to his mental supremacy

but it showed how its gonna be in future

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 06:04 PM
And the Fed alt of yourself would respond: yes, but how many times has Nadal beat a 'fit' Federer on hardcourt and grass, highlighting Feds slump of 2008 - just like you highlighted Nadal's slump of 2009. If you automatically discount this sort of justification, then you cannot then use it to explain away Nadal's losses. That's my point.

And sure, maybe Nadal will beat Davydenko if they meet at the AO. Doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

fed's slump had more to do with his brains, which wasn't the case with nadal's........now unless you claim that fed had some mental disease, you do not have even an idiotic shout further in this.......

Singularity
01-07-2011, 06:12 PM
fed's slump had more to do with his brains, which wasn't the case with nadal's........now unless you claim that fed had some mental disease, you do not have even an idiotic shout further in this.......
You're saying that lacking match confidence isn't a mental problem? There was nothing physically wrong with Nadal in those matches he lost, unless you're counting lack of form as a physical problem.

Start da Game
01-07-2011, 06:16 PM
You're saying that lacking match confidence isn't a mental problem? There was nothing physically wrong with Nadal in those matches he lost, unless you're counting lack of form as a physical problem.

way to spin it, again.......

abraxas21
01-07-2011, 06:16 PM
gotta give credit to SDG for one thing, though. hes the only nadaltard who dares to show up right after a defeat of his hero

a true and loyal fanboy

Arkulari
01-07-2011, 06:16 PM
their Roma 2007 match said it all basically

great match it was and Nadal won due to his mental supremacy

but it showed how its gonna be in future

it was Rome 2006, but yeah, you're totally right about that :yeah:

luie
01-07-2011, 06:22 PM
it was Rome 2006, but yeah, you're totally right about that :yeah:
Was talking about davy-nadull,,,not fed-nadull.

Arkulari
01-07-2011, 06:27 PM
Was talking about davy-nadull,,,not fed-nadull.

both situations apply for the post but thanks for pointing my mistake :)

luie
01-07-2011, 06:30 PM
both situations apply for the post but thanks for pointing my mistake :)
Well to be fair,nadull is more beatable in rome than MC/RG.
Coria 05,fed 06,davy 07,, lost to ferrero in 08.

Singularity
01-07-2011, 06:33 PM
way to spin it, again.......
Was there or wasn't there something physically (medically) wrong with Nadal in the matches he lost? If there wasn't, and if he lost because he was in poor form, lacking match toughness/confidence after a difficult period, then you have to be able use that 'justification' in other situations too. One of them being Federer's 2008, where mono disrupted his preparation in the off season, and hit his confidence badly, resulting in a string of awful losses.

And had Davydenko lost today, because he couldn't regain the form he had prior to the wrist injury, you should equally have acknowledged that, and discounted Nadal's victory, as you did with Davydenko's last three.

oranges
01-07-2011, 06:38 PM
Singularity competing for patience of the year award :lol: You'll not get through there, no matter how hard or well you try

coonster14
01-07-2011, 06:38 PM
Davy is the worst match-up for Rafa on a hard court, he takes time away from Rafa given how early Davy takes the ball, and he handles Rafa's topspin well.

And as mentioned earlier in the thread, H2H on HC between Rafa and Davy is 1-6 respectively, so unless Rafa ups the ante next time they meet on a HC, I expect another Rafa loss.

Singularity
01-07-2011, 06:43 PM
Singularity competing for patience of the year award :lol: You'll not get through there, no matter how hard or well you try
I don't give up, sadly.

GlennMirnyi
01-07-2011, 07:13 PM
That's because moonballing isn't exactly how you should play Davydenko.

HKz
01-07-2011, 07:32 PM
Nadal has always struggled against players with solid two-handed backhands. For example, Hewitt early on had 4-1 H2H record over Nadal and he certainly didn't have a "deadly" two-handed backhand. Players don't necessarily need a backhand that can hit winners to beat him, just one that can neutralize Nadal's ability to cause his opponents to be on the defensive from his looping forehand. Davydenko, while being one of the shorter top players Nadal is used to facing, does well handling the high ball to his backhand and he hits the ball flat and early which gives Nadal quite a bit of trouble.

GlennMirnyi
01-07-2011, 07:36 PM
Nadal has always struggled against players with solid two-handed backhands. For example, Hewitt early on had 4-1 H2H record over Nadal and he certainly didn't have a "deadly" two-handed backhand. Players don't necessarily need a backhand that can hit winners to beat him, just one that can neutralize Nadal's ability to cause his opponents to be on the defensive from his looping forehand. Davydenko, while being one of the shorter top players Nadal is used to facing, does well handling the high ball to his backhand and he hits the ball flat and early which gives Nadal quite a bit of trouble.

All these words to say the following: moonballing doesn't work against Davydenko.

Talk about mellowing the subject.

Guy Haines
01-07-2011, 07:57 PM
That's because moonballing isn't exactly how you should play Davydenko.

Davydenko and indoor Nalbandian of yore take the ball early and redirect angles against Nadal. No other players do this as consistently, or as well.

Also, Nadal's slice backhand -- I know you're a huge fan of it :lol: -- is fast food for Davydenko on hard courts. (Say what you will about his form hitting it, it works on grass and against some players on hard courts.)

Federer's slice, on the other hand, messes Davydenko up.

Chiseller
01-07-2011, 08:01 PM
gotta give credit to SDG for one thing, though. hes the only nadaltard who dares to show up right after a defeat of his hero

a true and loyal fanboy

Like a true tard, he always gets himself banned after a Nadal loss. He can't deal with the heat, I guess.

Allez
01-07-2011, 08:02 PM
I didn't see any mental fragility today...just a ridiculously sick bloke who should never got out of bed this morning :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
01-07-2011, 08:05 PM
Davydenko and indoor Nalbandian of yore take the ball early and redirect angles against Nadal. No other players do this as consistently, or as well.

Also, Nadal's slice backhand -- I know you're a huge fan of it :lol: -- is fast food for Davydenko on hard courts. (Say what you will about his form hitting it, it works on grass and against some players on hard courts.)

Federer's slice, on the other hand, messes Davydenko up.

Nadull's slice backhand is a joke. I wonder how he gets away with that crap floating shot.

vn01
01-07-2011, 08:53 PM
Davydenko makes Nadal be more aggressive than Rafa usually is, Rafa can't hit winner after winner, Davydenko's movement is very good and can reach a lot of the balls Nadal hits. Just a difficult match-up for the Spainard.

DrJules
01-07-2011, 09:03 PM
Davydenko makes Nadal be more aggressive than Rafa usually is, Rafa can't hit winner after winner, Davydenko's movement is very good and can reach a lot of the balls Nadal hits. Just a difficult match-up for the Spainard.

By playing inside the baseline Davydenko reduces the distances he needs to cover and prevents Nadal's balls (tennis balls that is) jumping high off the court.

The Magician
01-07-2011, 10:53 PM
Doesn't matter, just another player Nadull will continue to avoid in his slam draws while we plays mugs in the QF and SF of slams :o

Raiden
01-07-2011, 11:50 PM
Nadull's slice backhand is a joke. I wonder how he gets away with that crap floating shot.It looks cute though. The ball floating straight down the line and the player on the other side looking at it bemused while waiting for it.

Of course the smart players know exactly what to do with it and they do it early.

luie
01-07-2011, 11:54 PM
It looks cute though. The ball floating straight down the line and the player on the other side looking at it bemused and wondering when it's gonna spin down.

Of course the smart players know exactly what to do with it and they do it early.
Thats the beauty of fast surfaces pity its a rare commodity in this era.
Long gone are the days of fast surfaces where the one-handers reach was a weapon.
Guess I'll have to watch old Vhs videos.:o:o

A_Skywalker
01-07-2011, 11:54 PM
clearly too much of star wars

Thats stupid post, 3 times in a row GS champ is more than a favorite to win the next GS, I am not saying anything new.

nalbyfan
01-08-2011, 11:50 AM
Armani model pretends he's sick...but last year he was not and Kola already beat him in final...

samanosuke
01-08-2011, 12:41 PM
Thats stupid post, 3 times in a row GS champ is more than a favorite to win the next GS, I am not saying anything new.

surely . but you said on the way like he already won the title

Toaderling
01-08-2011, 01:13 PM
Nadal is just not that good.

thrust
01-08-2011, 01:41 PM
All players have a boogeyman, Davydenko is Nadal's.

Especially on HC.

Because Davy, at his best, stands inside the baseline and hits flat deep shots giving Nadal little time to set up for his best shots. Rafa needs to hit deep shots in order to beat Davy on hard courts.

TennisGrandSlam
01-08-2011, 03:56 PM
Federer fears Nadal's heavy topspin, but Davydenko does not fear it. (Fed is 1-backhand, Davy is 2-backhand)
(If Federer is 2-backhand, Rafa cannot be Fed-kill a, however, Fed can't be dominator w/o 1-backhand.)

As a Fed's fan, I believe that Federer does not expect Davy can stop Rafa in GS, Fed need to overcome Rafa for more GS by himself - It is admited that if Davy meets Rafa in GS, it may be another story. Davy may not play well in 4-5 set tournament due to his age and style.

mystic ice cube
01-08-2011, 04:43 PM
Start da Game, It's all ok to support your sporting icon but your 'obsession' is downright unhealthy. I genuinely think you have issues. In fact, I hope you do, because to be mentally stable and worship the way you do is pathetic.

I think many of you are spot on with your analysis of Davy and the weaknesses Nadal shows against him. Ultimately, I agree that Kolya is just a bad match-up for Nadal, same way as Nadal is for Federer.

Everko
01-13-2011, 04:08 PM
Start da Game, It's all ok to support your sporting icon but your 'obsession' is downright unhealthy. I genuinely think you have issues. In fact, I hope you do, because to be mentally stable and worship the way you do is pathetic.

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:rolleyes: what is pathetic is calling someone mentally unstable for liking Nadal

rocketassist
01-13-2011, 04:14 PM
Ahhh brothers in arms. Beautiful. Followers of Rafatardism should be granted tax exempt status.

Jomp1
01-13-2011, 04:19 PM
Very easy, Nadal likes to have time to prepare for his forehand, Davydenko gives him none especially on the fast surfaces and gets Nadal to run constantly. Nothing to do with mentally fragile, it's a mismatch.

oranges
01-13-2011, 04:22 PM
:rolleyes: what is pathetic is calling someone mentally unstable for liking Nadal

Not many people fail to see the difference between like and worship, but you're one of them :hug:

abraxas21
01-13-2011, 04:26 PM
Nadull's slice backhand is a joke. I wonder how he gets away with that crap floating shot.

what's funny is that against kolya nadal tried a few times that shot in order to take pace and rythm out of the rally but in every time his slice backhand was so bad that kolya simply blasted a winner from it.

PoorMan'sDavy
01-13-2011, 05:50 PM
Very easy, Nadal likes to have time to prepare for his forehand, Davydenko gives him none especially on the fast surfaces and gets Nadal to run constantly. Nothing to do with mentally fragile, it's a mismatch.

This! Davydenko takes the ball early and gets it back on Rafa quickly and rushes him, so he can't load up for the massive topspin FH as well. And Davydenko moves into and out of the wide part of the court and can quickly recover to the middle, so he doesn't get trapped on one side of the court as so many others do by Rafa.

Elaka Farmor
01-13-2011, 09:45 PM
Nadal had big problems with Nalbandian too, but the match in indian Wells 2009(I think Nalband had matchpoint in the second set if I remeber right, anyway) turned it all around........ :o

Fujee
01-13-2011, 11:34 PM
Nadal had big problems with Nalbandian too, but the match in indian Wells 2009(I think Nalband had matchpoint in the second set if I remeber right, anyway) turned it all around........ :o

Just watched the paris 07 highlights, clincal striking from david, Nadal was lost at sea for that match.

oranges
01-13-2011, 11:45 PM
Nadal had big problems with Nalbandian too, but the match in indian Wells 2009(I think Nalband had matchpoint in the second set if I remeber right, anyway) turned it all around........ :o

Just because Dave choked doesn't erase the mathcup issue. It was evident in that match as well. As long as Nalby is on his game, Nadal has no answers for it. Well, on that surface to be precise.

Mungo
01-14-2011, 12:12 AM
This thread is dumb as hell. Nadal usually played Davydenko when Nadal was playing poorly or was injured and Davydenko was in the form of his life + on Nadal's worst surface and Davydenko's best. That sums it up nicely, it has nothing to do with mentality. Nadal didn't choke in the Doha final last year, it was Davydenko the one playing out of his mind after being bageled by Nadal + Davydenko beat Fed twice around then.
However Nadal will have a positive H2H when it's all said and done, probably as soon as this year.

Crazy Girl
01-14-2011, 02:04 AM
Very easy, Nadal likes to have time to prepare for his forehand, Davydenko gives him none especially on the fast surfaces and gets Nadal to run constantly. Nothing to do with mentally fragile, it's a mismatch.I think so.:)

shiaben
01-14-2011, 02:06 AM
This thread deserves to be closed. They haven't even met at slams before -_-

Crazy Girl
01-14-2011, 02:10 AM
Hard courts 6 - 1. Have I remembered well??

abraxas21
10-03-2011, 06:34 PM
nadal crumbles mentally against davydenko because kolya is simply too good for him.

first koyla makes nadal crumble physically and then he takes his will power.

abraxas21
10-03-2011, 06:37 PM
Doesn't matter, just another player Nadull will continue to avoid in his slam draws while we plays mugs in the QF and SF of slams :o

it's curious that the ITF draws never had nadull against kolya. i wonder why that is?

but maybe now that kolya has lost his touch, uncle toni will arrange an early meeting in a GS just as a desperate attempt to reverse his nephew's lousy h2h against a better player

feuselino
10-03-2011, 08:40 PM
what would history look like today had Davy won his SF at Roland Garros 2005 against Puerta and meet Nadal in the final? Multiple slam winner Davydenko? ;)

Rodre Fegassi
10-03-2011, 09:17 PM
or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........

you are just a fed fangirl who is dying to see someone owning nadal identical to nadal owning fed.......that's not going to happen.......

Thought I'd bring this up as a fail.

It wasn't Davydenko in the end, but Nadal has someone else who stands up on the baseline and easily redirects high, spinny balls to his backhand to worry about...

Have you guessed who he is yet?

Orka_n
10-03-2011, 10:09 PM
Thought I'd bring this up as a fail.

It wasn't Davydenko in the end, but Nadal has someone else who stands up on the baseline and easily redirects high, spinny balls to his backhand to worry about...

Have you guessed who he is yet?Dodig?

rocketassist
10-03-2011, 10:28 PM
or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........
you are just a fed fangirl who is dying to see someone owning nadal identical to nadal owning fed.......that's not going to happen.......

Your brain is contaminated. Go the quacks.

Shinoj
10-04-2011, 04:51 AM
Didnt realise this before but Davydenko just Rocks.

Topspindoctor
10-04-2011, 04:53 AM
Nadal was unlucky in his matches against Baldenko, easy as that. Bald clown benefitted from Nadal injury/sickness in MM tournaments he met him. Peak Nadal thrashes Baldenko on any surface in 3 sets and no amount of fixing from Baldenko changes that fact :wavey:

Start da Game
10-04-2011, 06:40 AM
Your brain is contaminated. Go the quacks.

a blind breed fedloving tool talking about brain and health......

PiggyGotRoasted
10-04-2011, 06:42 AM
Davydenko showed the way to beat the moonballing piggy - he told djokovic. simple

shiaben
10-04-2011, 06:44 AM
This is a stupid thread.

If Davydenko is Nadal's kryptonite, then let him show it at the slams.

Oh wait......he doesn't bother making deep runs to even grace Rafa.

We saw what happened to Nalbandian, something similar would happen if the two were to meet at the slams.

Start da Game
10-04-2011, 06:49 AM
Nadal was unlucky in his matches against Baldenko, easy as that. Bald clown benefitted from Nadal injury/sickness in MM tournaments he met him. Peak Nadal thrashes Baldenko on any surface in 3 sets and no amount of fixing from Baldenko changes that fact :wavey:

exactly this......baby rafa was fit in 2006 and donkey was probably at the peak of his game and guess who won on that fast indoor hardcourt? after that donkey's been really fortunate to have faced him when he's down with fitness issues......he scored a good win in miami 2008 and really that's it......

bigger and better hitters like soderling, berdych were hammered on fast hardcourts......imagine what he would have done to davydenko if he was fit and moving well on those other occasions......

nadal's injuries blew some meaning into the careers of the following players,

1. soderling
2. davydenko

blind breed are so desperate to see a nemesis for nadal.......now that they realize that djokovic is still 3 defeats behind rafa, they are resorting to hopeless claims like this......listen blind breed tools, nadal hammered the swiss south african woman in 7 slam finals......who is davydenko here and what has he accomplished?

MuzzahLovah
10-04-2011, 07:18 AM
This is a stupid thread.

If Davydenko is Nadal's kryptonite, then let him show it at the slams.

Oh wait......he doesn't bother making deep runs to even grace Rafa.

We saw what happened to Nalbandian, something similar would happen if the two were to meet at the slams.

Uncle Toni rigs the draws so Davy is never in his section.

iamhe
10-04-2011, 08:06 AM
Maybe because Davy's style of play is the most efficient way to beat Nadal ? (along with Djoker's of course)

PiggyGotRoasted
10-04-2011, 08:13 AM
This is a stupid thread.

If Davydenko is Nadal's kryptonite, then let him show it at the slams.

Oh wait......he doesn't bother making deep runs to even grace Rafa.

We saw what happened to Nalbandian, something similar would happen if the two were to meet at the slams.

Oh wait, when nadull could have played him in a slam before he got knocked out himself.

ballbasher101
10-04-2011, 11:07 AM
Davydenko is just better than Nadal ;).

rocketassist
10-04-2011, 12:12 PM
exactly this......baby rafa was fit in 2006 and donkey was probably at the peak of his game and guess who won on that fast indoor hardcourt? after that donkey's been really fortunate to have faced him when he's down with fitness issues......he scored a good win in miami 2008 and really that's it......

bigger and better hitters like soderling, berdych were hammered on fast hardcourts......imagine what he would have done to davydenko if he was fit and moving well on those other occasions......

nadal's injuries blew some meaning into the careers of the following players,

1. soderling
2. davydenko

blind breed are so desperate to see a nemesis for nadal.......now that they realize that djokovic is still 3 defeats behind rafa, they are resorting to hopeless claims like this......listen blind breed tools, nadal hammered the swiss south african woman in 7 slam finals......who is davydenko here and what has he accomplished?

The only blind breed is YOU and your incomprehensible asskissing followers on here.

TBkeeper
10-04-2011, 12:30 PM
or you hope? we have some real "experts" here....... :haha:

nadal demolished davydenko way back in 2006 itself........davydenko scored 4 victories when nadal was going through that knee episode........this is his 5th today where he found nadal physically down and out.......the only time he really beat nadal was in miami 08........

you are just a fed fangirl who is dying to see someone owning nadal identical to nadal owning fed.......that's not going to happen.......

you CALL DAVYDENKO's CHOKING in 2006 in 3 hard sets and his choking in rome 2007 a DEMOLISH :D :D :D are you BLIND WORSHIPER or A Nadulltard oh... they are the same aren't they ???

TBkeeper
10-04-2011, 12:56 PM
what would history look like today had Davy won his SF at Roland Garros 2005 against Puerta and meet Nadal in the final? Multiple slam winner Davydenko? ;)

Yes this is the only thing that ANGERS ME THAT MUCH in Davydenko's career why should he played that doped Puerta ? ? ? WHY WHY WHY ?!?!?!

abraxas21
10-04-2011, 01:00 PM
Yes this is the only thing that ANGERS ME THAT MUCH in Davydenko's career why should he played that doped Puerta ? ? ? WHY WHY WHY ?!?!?!

i made a very similar point and i got my post deleted and a warning :rolleyes:

TBkeeper
10-04-2011, 01:01 PM
Davydenko showed the way to beat the moonballing piggy - he told djokovic. simple

Actually Davydenko and Djokovic are close friends so ... maybe he told him at least something a word or two ?

TBkeeper
10-04-2011, 01:03 PM
exactly this......baby rafa was fit in 2006 and donkey was probably at the peak of his game and guess who won on that fast indoor hardcourt? after that donkey's been really fortunate to have faced him when he's down with fitness issues......he scored a good win in miami 2008 and really that's it......

bigger and better hitters like soderling, berdych were hammered on fast hardcourts......imagine what he would have done to davydenko if he was fit and moving well on those other occasions......

nadal's injuries blew some meaning into the careers of the following players,

1. soderling
2. davydenko

blind breed are so desperate to see a nemesis for nadal.......now that they realize that djokovic is still 3 defeats behind rafa, they are resorting to hopeless claims like this......listen blind breed tools, nadal hammered the swiss south african woman in 7 slam finals......who is davydenko here and what has he accomplished?


I read the whole thread and i got to say WOW ! Stard da Game is SO BLIND nadulltard .... WHAT DAVYDENKO accomplished ? something that Nadal doesn't have ! ! ! winning the world tour finals ! Where is Nadal there ? oh... 1 final okey bye ...

n8
10-04-2011, 02:33 PM
Yes this is the only thing that ANGERS ME THAT MUCH in Davydenko's career why should he played that doped Puerta ? ? ? WHY WHY WHY ?!?!?!

Yes this frustrates me too. Davydenko has never been in a Grand Slam final and he's so good in finals. That was probably his best shot as all his other Grand Slam semis were against prime Federer.

Shinoj
10-04-2011, 03:06 PM
Davydenko is a nice humble lad who hit powerful groundstrokes against the moonballing of Nadal and killed his Topspin. he beat him fair and square. yet another courageous ATP Player who has defied the stupid moonballing of Nadal. Kudos to Davydenko. Отлично

MuzzahLovah
10-04-2011, 03:22 PM
Davy lasers that fat ass blimp, that's why.

Sapeod
10-04-2011, 03:50 PM
Nadal isn't mentally fragile against Davydenko :stupid: Davydenko just owns him on hardcourt :wavey:

Macbrother
10-04-2011, 04:49 PM
When you don't understand something so simple as a match-up, you have to resort to straight up denial, which is what the tards have done here.