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Of the slams Fed failed to win, which chance do you think he blew the most?

2003
01-04-2011, 02:54 AM
There are a number I feel.

2003 AO, close match he lost against Nalbandian. It seemed no one was stopping Shaggassi that year, but I feel if any player could have taken out Shaggassi, would have been a good match up seeing as no one put in a decent performance against Andre.

2003 USO, would have been interesting had he beaten Nalbandian. Should have steamrolled Roddick and Fur Choko given the way each played.

2005/2006 French Open, had a decent chance. Maybe if he had brung a different game against Capsical. Dont see Pureta beating Fed in a slam final.

2005 AO - match point against Cafin, would surely have destroyed Hugh Witt in the final infront of his home crowd.

2009 AO - Grrrrrrrrrr. Despite never actually being infront in terms of sets in the match, he would be very dissapointed in not nabbing that one.

2009 USO - Same story really, but was quite a bad choke.

2008 AO, cant help but feel Djokovic was just too clutch, and the way he played against Tipsarabitch, im not sure this slam was ever falling into Rogers arms. Others may dissagree.

2010 US Open.

2010 French Open - fanboys dont delude yourself, Rafa was pretty average for much of this tournament even though he didnt drop a set, if Roger were ever going to win on clay against Rafa, he had a DECENT chance in 2010.

2001 Wimbledon - could make a case for it.

Which one do you feel it was? Feds been so fortunate, but as you can see, its not just Nadal thats cost him some history. Nalbandian was quite a thorn in his side for a time in the early years.

Have fun with this.

2003
01-04-2011, 03:00 AM
Didnt seem legit to add 2004 FO to the poll given how comprehensivly beaten Fed was, but given what a mug fest the final turned out to be, and the fact this was a Nadal less edition of the tournament, maybe a case could be made for 2004 French Open. A chance to nab a crown before Nadal became a force.

abraxas21
01-04-2011, 03:14 AM
2009 Uso.

SaFed2005
01-04-2011, 03:19 AM
I meant to pick USO 2009 but voted USO 2010 oh well..

Pirata.
01-04-2011, 03:49 AM
2005 & 2009 AO and USO. Possibly Wimbledon 2008 as well, came down to one break of serve in that very last game :sad:

tennisfan856
01-04-2011, 04:15 AM
has to be the loss to del petro at the u.s. open.

What an idiotic loss that was.

GlennMirnyi
01-04-2011, 04:38 AM
That loss to Nadull at the AO was just a colossal fiasco. I can't imagine how someone could possibly top that.

luvly1
01-04-2011, 04:51 AM
That loss to Nadull at the AO was just a colossal fiasco. I can't imagine how someone could possibly top that.

the lost to del potro... wasnt he two points from taken the fourth set

GlennMirnyi
01-04-2011, 04:56 AM
the lost to del potro... wasnt he two points from taken the fourth set

Del Potro is much better than Nadull on hard courts. Especially if we consider the USO was a bit fast that year.

luvly1
01-04-2011, 05:11 AM
Del Potro is much better than Nadull on hard courts. Especially if we consider the USO was a bit fast that year.

regardless he was two points away...he was always behind in the AO the only reason to think that he should have won is the fact that he is the better hard court player...he was never that close

Macbrother
01-04-2011, 06:09 AM
USO '09 Federer clearly should've closed out. The two forehands he completely threw away in the 4th set tb were just unbelievable.

Topspindoctor
01-04-2011, 06:27 AM
2009 USO. Classic choke against a ball basher who was his pigeon.

samanosuke
01-04-2011, 09:19 AM
1. Rg 2005
2. Us 2009
3. Ao 2005

dodo
01-04-2011, 09:50 AM
USO09 ... it was such a blowout, people were leaving the stadium. and yet he manages to find a way to lose. more backhand rallies please!
Wimbly 08. Federer treated break points like they were AIDS. 1/13 gg.
AO09. was dominating Rafa and then just completely bottled it in the 5th. really good job by Nadal though for picking up the 2 sets while facing a far superior level of tennis.

finishingmove
01-04-2011, 09:57 AM
no Wimbledon 2008 in the poll ?

death of tennis?

best match ever?

Pirao666
01-04-2011, 11:22 AM
no Wimbledon 2008 in the poll ?

death of tennis?

best match ever?

Nah, death of tennis was USO 2010 :devil:

guichard
01-04-2011, 02:18 PM
USO 2009 without a doubt

GlennMirnyi
01-04-2011, 03:04 PM
regardless he was two points away...he was always behind in the AO the only reason to think that he should have won is the fact that he is the better hard court player...he was never that close

So? The fact he was always behind while playing much much better is just another reason.

Del Pony played well. Nadull won playing that same awful moonballing stuff he always does.

Nadal was the #1 hardcourt player in 2009 :devil:

Thanks for the farcical and irrelevant information. :rolleyes:

CCBH
01-04-2011, 03:08 PM
OP's nicknames are just embarrassingly bad :tape:

elena_k
01-04-2011, 03:15 PM
there are a lot of matches where you thought he should have won. In AO 09 he even won more points than Nadal and I really don't know how he managed to lose 3rd set. His serve let him down a lot in the US Open 09 final, 11 double faults!

MM_1257
01-04-2011, 03:30 PM
USO 09 deffinitely!

freeandlonely
01-04-2011, 03:38 PM
2008 W

tealeaves
01-04-2011, 03:41 PM
AO 2009, and USO 2010 he should be in final, so as AO 2005.

straitup
01-04-2011, 03:42 PM
US Open 2009 or the Aussie Open in 2005

luvly1
01-04-2011, 04:13 PM
So? The fact he was always behind while playing much much better is just another reason.

Del Pony played well. Nadull won playing that same awful moonballing stuff he always does.



Thanks for the farcical and irrelevant information. :rolleyes:

...well i am no nadal fan either but i can put that aside and not allow it to cloud my judgement. being two points from the final is a lot closer then being 2-sets all and never being anywhere near winning the last set...not to mention the stupid way he lost the second.

GlennMirnyi
01-04-2011, 04:29 PM
:cool:

If you're trying to make yourself look bad you're doing fine.

...well i am no nadal fan either but i can put that aside and not allow it to cloud my judgement. being two points from the final is a lot closer then being 2-sets all and never being anywhere near winning the last set...not to mention the stupid way he lost the second.

Again.

Being two points or a million points doesn't matter. What matters is the balance of power in that situation.

luie
01-04-2011, 04:36 PM
French open 2008,,awful choke.

luvly1
01-04-2011, 04:56 PM
If you're trying to make yourself look bad you're doing fine.



Again.

Being two points or a million points doesn't matter. What matters is the balance of power in that situation.

so are you trying to say that del potro is a better hc player than federer?

GlennMirnyi
01-04-2011, 04:57 PM
so are you trying to say that del potro is a better hc player than federer?

No, that he's better than Nadull.

luvly1
01-04-2011, 05:03 PM
No, that he's better than Nadull.

that doesnt matter...roger is/was the second best clay courter hasnt helped him any more than anyone else. your skill set only matters when you bring it...he was a lot closer to bringing it in the USO than the AO

Sapeod
01-04-2011, 05:07 PM
2009 Australian Open. How he lost to Nadal, I don't know, but it was a disgusting defeat.

Henry Chinaski
01-04-2011, 05:17 PM
Oz 09. He knew how badly he choked that one, hence the tears.

luie
01-04-2011, 05:28 PM
If you can't beat nadull after spending 5 hrs on a HC then you should cry imo,,,for your brainless tactics.

2003
01-04-2011, 05:33 PM
So? The fact he was always behind while playing much much better is just another reason.

Del Pony played well. Nadull won playing that same awful moonballing stuff he always does.


I know you have always had a very special place in your heart for that 2009 AO final, but your comments here are at odds with those you made in the match result thread for the 2009 USO final, in which I clearly remember you blowing steam about how Fed was so stupid for blowing a match he should have won in straights, certainly you were a far cry from suggesting Del Pot Smoke played "well" or that he was a great hard court player by any stretch.

As for the AO, yeah its partly true but Nadal also blasted some very memorable forehand and backhand winners in that match too.

2003
01-04-2011, 05:37 PM
For what its worth I think Nadal played a much higher level than Del Potro in the 2009 AO, even though Fed should have won both and secured the calander year grand slam.

Del Potro was pretty aweful, and even as the match wore on his stamina and first serve percentage dropped dramatically..it was just a gift from the gods, never ever going to be his day.

GlennMirnyi
01-04-2011, 05:49 PM
that doesnt matter...roger is/was the second best clay courter hasnt helped him any more than anyone else. your skill set only matters when you bring it...he was a lot closer to bringing it in the USO than the AO

Closer he might have been but that has nothing to do with his chances before the match.

2009 Australian Open. How he lost to Nadal, I don't know, but it was a disgusting defeat.

Oz 09. He knew how badly he choked that one, hence the tears.

This.

If you can't beat nadull after spending 5 hrs on a HC then you should cry imo,,,for your brainless tactics.

Yep.

I know you have always had a very special place in your heart for that 2009 AO final, but your comments here are at odds with those you made in the match result thread for the 2009 USO final, in which I clearly remember you blowing steam about how Fed was so stupid for blowing a match he should have won in straights, certainly you were a far cry from suggesting Del Pot Smoke played "well" or that he was a great hard court player by any stretch.

As for the AO, yeah its partly true but Nadal also blasted some very memorable forehand and backhand winners in that match too.

Frauderer should've won the 2009 USO final, period. However, his AO defeat was much more pathetic.

Nadull is a moonballer. He can't hit an outright winner to save his life. Saying he's a species of "great player" is just one of the excuses the Fraudtard gloryhunter brigade created to give rise to Frauderer's mythification.

Del Pony doesn't have to be a great player to be better than Nadull on HC. Nobody does.

luvly1
01-04-2011, 06:16 PM
[QUOTE=GlennMirnyi;10642536]Closer he might have been but that has nothing to do with his chances before the match.QUOTE]

if he is the better hardcourt play then he has the same chance against both of them because in the end it is a predicted win...you dont more points for doing it in more or less sets...

believe me he was a bigger fav against del potro...he beat him 6-3 6-0 6-0 the last time they played a hardcourt slam, del potro had never beaten him, never played a slam final... just put the hate aside and be objective for like five seconds its not that hard

GlennMirnyi
01-04-2011, 08:47 PM
[QUOTE=GlennMirnyi;10642536]Closer he might have been but that has nothing to do with his chances before the match.QUOTE]

if he is the better hardcourt play then he has the same chance against both of them because in the end it is a predicted win...you dont more points for doing it in more or less sets...

believe me he was a bigger fav against del potro...he beat him 6-3 6-0 6-0 the last time they played a hardcourt slam, del potro had never beaten him, never played a slam final... just put the hate aside and be objective for like five seconds its not that hard

:lol:

So if you're better than 3 players you're equally the favorite to beat all of them?

Not quite.

It's less vexing losing to Del Pony than to Nadull.

Orka_n
01-04-2011, 08:57 PM
1980 Wimby.

Chartreuse
01-04-2011, 09:43 PM
2009 USO. I still can't believe he lost that final..

swisht4u
01-04-2011, 09:47 PM
When Fed lost to Del Potro at the USO. It seemed he wanted to win by out bashing Del Potro, he wanted to show he can win with any style he wanted, he was wrong.
All the different ways he could of used to win that match but he wanted to be the "macho man".
Fed was old enough to put those kind of things aside and do what it takes to win, but he gets stubborn that way.

coonster14
01-04-2011, 09:53 PM
USO 2009, Roger lost to a guy he was 6-0 against, never made a grand slam final before, Roger's serve really let him down that day, and his tactics were just :o, yep, just keep hitting topspin forehands right into Delpo's hitting zone on the forehand, but those sledgehammer forehands were awesome to watch. :rocker:

I like Delpo, but seriously Roger should have won that match in 4 sets maximum, but then again, 'should have', 'could have', 'would have' are all meaningless, what's important is that Delpo was good enough to take advantage of the situation. :bigclap:

Also, add in AO 2005 (Why would you go for a tweener shot on match point? :o)

- AO 2009, everything was in his favour there, he had 3 days of rest after brushing aside Roddick in 3 sets, Rafa in comparison, only had 42 hours of rest (<2 days), he played an epic 5 setter 5 hour 14 minute marathon against Nando in the SF, Roger was never close to winning though as yet again, his BP comversion rate was abysmal in the final (remember the BP's he had in that 3rd set, he was just passive), as it usually is in his GS losses to Rafa.

- USO 2010 IMO should not have been included in the poll, Nole took away those match points in the SF with unbelievable courage, I didn't think that he had it in him, he hit 2 huge forehands to save them, there wasn't much that Roger could have done about that, Nole deserved to win that match.

2003
06-21-2012, 08:59 AM
USO 2009, Roger lost to a guy he was 6-0 against, never made a grand slam final before, Roger's serve really let him down that day, and his tactics were just :o, yep, just keep hitting topspin forehands right into Delpo's hitting zone on the forehand, but those sledgehammer forehands were awesome to watch. :rocker:

I like Delpo, but seriously Roger should have won that match in 4 sets maximum, but then again, 'should have', 'could have', 'would have' are all meaningless, what's important is that Delpo was good enough to take advantage of the situation. :bigclap:

Also, add in AO 2005 (Why would you go for a tweener shot on match point? :o)

- AO 2009, everything was in his favour there, he had 3 days of rest after brushing aside Roddick in 3 sets, Rafa in comparison, only had 42 hours of rest (<2 days), he played an epic 5 setter 5 hour 14 minute marathon against Nando in the SF, Roger was never close to winning though as yet again, his BP comversion rate was abysmal in the final (remember the BP's he had in that 3rd set, he was just passive), as it usually is in his GS losses to Rafa.

- USO 2010 IMO should not have been included in the poll, Nole took away those match points in the SF with unbelievable courage, I didn't think that he had it in him, he hit 2 huge forehands to save them, there wasn't much that Roger could have done about that, Nole deserved to win that match.

How do you think Roddick would have gone in the final against Nadal at 09 AO? Or say the semi if he got on Nadals side of the draw?

romismak
06-21-2012, 09:10 AM
Where is Wimbledon 2008 ? i can´t see in at poll...


2005 AO - he was dominant NO.1, had MP vs Safin, i think everyone here can´t see Hewitt to take more than set from Fed in final
2009 AO - he wasn´t able to use Rafa´s 5th setter match sooner vs Verdasco, he should have somehow beat him i think

2008 Wimbledon - FED was dominant whole tournament, i think never lost set and serving great than final started and FED in shankerer mode, he was mentally down from RG and it was 2-0 sets for Rafa sooner than Roger started to play ,,normal,, for that tournament standard, he won 2 tie-breaks but wasn´t enough, with better confidence vs Rafa he never would be down 2-0 on sets and i think he would win
2011 Wimbledon - Nobody is mentiong this one, because Roger lost in QF, but his level was good enough and most important fact he would play Nole-Nadal - neither of them is better on grass, i am sure he would beat Nole, he did at RG, so WImby should favour him even more and Rafa´s level whole event was average, he would have chances against him in F too.

USO- for sure 2009 USO- Delpo was good but FED was in lead whole time, he should have won it
2010-2011 USO - hard to tell about his chances vs Rafa in F, but the fact it is fast HC and Roger was pretty solid at both events, say he would be at least competitive in F and could have won maybe 1 of those USO´s

From RG in 2007 he had like million BP´s.... and his level was really high and of course 2011 - Rafa´s worst RG level probably in years, Roger leading in 1st set choke it away, serving like Karlovic whole tournament and really his best RG maybe, dropped only 1 set in his way to F to unbeaten Nole that year. I think this was maybe even bigger chance to beat Nadal than in 2007.

JurajCrane
06-21-2012, 09:30 AM
AO 2005 - matchpoint vs. Safin - final would be one way traffic for Federer.

W 2008 - saved 2 MP against Rafa, but then rain arrived. Even though he had that breakpoint at 4-3* in the 5th.

AO 2009 - 3rd set was a key, lost in tiebreak. Nobody was giving Nadal a chance in that final, me neither.

US 2009 - Set and break up, 5-4 in the second, 30-0 on serve ... and then 2-1 lead and 4th set tiebreak.


These are not small things, he could have now 20 GS without eye-wink - because in every match from these was Federer in winning situation.

Chirag
06-21-2012, 09:36 AM
that 2009 US open was a missed oppurtunity to add to the slam tally and looking back his best chance at the non calender slam

duong
06-21-2012, 09:37 AM
Australian open 2009 will always be my main regret he was better than Nadal that day but Nadal somehow managed to get to 2 sets-all.

He could have won the US Open 2009 because Del Potro felt the pressure in the beginning of the match, hadn't slept and eaten : if Fed had won second set yes he would probably have won ... by luck because of that pressure Del Potro felt.

But Del Potro was the better player that day.

The US Open 2011 (more than the US Open 2010) and Roland Garros 2011, should have been included if the thread had been made earlier :lol:

duong
06-21-2012, 09:44 AM
regardless he was two points away...he was always behind in the AO the only reason to think that he should have won is the fact that he is the better hard court player...he was never that close

Fed was ahead in the game because the two sets Nadal won, especially the third one, Fed was the better player during those sets.

Nadal was tired, not at his best, that day.

duong
06-21-2012, 09:51 AM
For what its worth I think Nadal played a much higher level than Del Potro in the 2009 AO, even though Fed should have won both and secured the calander year grand slam.

Del Potro was pretty aweful, and even as the match wore on his stamina and first serve percentage dropped dramatically..it was just a gift from the gods, never ever going to be his day.

Del Potro awful in USO 2009 final ? and getting worse as the match went by ? :haha:

manadrainer
06-21-2012, 10:46 AM
AO 2009 was the most painful, outplayed Nadal for 4 sets and lost 2... :facepalm:

USO 2009 was a massive choke, he would have never lost with a 2-0 lead, but couldn't close out that second set... That break gave JMDP big confidence and he hit a lot better.

On a side note, in both finals Fed served like shit. Wonder if he had any kind of back problems, cause those serve % are difficult to explain otherwise.

ServeVolley
06-21-2012, 11:28 AM
French Open 2004 and Wimbledon 2008 were the biggest missed opportunies, in my opinion.

But which slams did he actually "blow" (i.e. throw away by his own error)? Probably US Open 2009 and US Open 2011 (alright, the first match point was saved entirely by Djokovic's genius/insane return, but he should have regrouped and taken the second one).

Johnny Groove
06-21-2012, 12:03 PM
Clearly the Delpo match in 09 USO, he had JMDP on the ropes and really fucked it up.

Slade
06-21-2012, 12:08 PM
As much as I like Del Potro, that USO 2009 loss was disgusting.

Corey Feldman
06-21-2012, 12:10 PM
09 US Open and 05 AO semi v Safin are the 2 slams he threw away

the 2 Nole semi finals at USO, we will never know had he beaten Nadal in those finals

the 2008 Wim final he was flat outplayed and just made it closer by the score than it seemed, even having BP at 4-3 in the fifth set

asmazif
06-21-2012, 12:12 PM
1998 AO Juniors

Corey Feldman
06-21-2012, 12:14 PM
1998 AO Juniorssemi final choke v his future friend Andreas Vinciguerra :worship:

lost USO junior final to Nalbandian as well but got the big Wimber

1998 junior school:
Fed
Nalbandian
Gonzo
Ferrero
Coria
Nieminen
Rochus
F.Lo
Vinciguerra

Chase Visa
06-21-2012, 12:15 PM
2009 USO. Though 2009 AO was pretty bad.

Imagine if he was more mentally tough. 2nd player to achieve the Grand Slam :cool:

Slade
06-21-2012, 12:16 PM
In RG 2011 final, Federer losing the first set after leading 5*-2 AD was a disgusting choke.

He wouldn't have won the match though

Sophocles
06-21-2012, 01:22 PM
A.O. 2009. Without those mental demons against Nadull he would have won it in straight sets.

AncicCilic
06-21-2012, 02:17 PM
Lately definetelly USO 2011.

He practically had a won match in semis and in final on that kind of surface i think he'd beat Nadal.

2011 RG was the closest i felt he was to Nadal in RG.

n8
06-21-2012, 02:39 PM
09 US Open and 05 AO semi v Safin are the 2 slams he threw away

the 2 Nole semi finals at USO, we will never know had he beaten Nadal in those finals

the 2008 Wim final he was flat outplayed and just made it closer by the score than it seemed, even having BP at 4-3 in the fifth set

We never know if he would've beaten Hewitt in the 2005 AO final either... :superlol:

156mphserve
06-21-2012, 07:16 PM
There are slams that Fed didn't win? :eek:

Haelfix
06-21-2012, 07:25 PM
Definitely the AO 2009.. He was dominating Nadal for most of the match and was way ahead on points. He was in almost every one of Nadal's service games, and was easily holding serve. He ran out of gas in the 5th set, but he should have won in 3! Nadal just beat him on virtually every important point, and lost every other one.

The USO 2009 was less a choke, and more an incredibly clutch performance by DP. It could have been over in 3 if not for a little luck (luck is important sometimes in tennis).

LoveFifteen
06-21-2012, 07:34 PM
Which chance did Federer truly blow the most? It's definitely the 2009 US Open final vs. Del Potro.

Corey Feldman
06-21-2012, 07:38 PM
We never know if he would've beaten Hewitt in the 2005 AO final either... :superlol:
lol he woulda killed Hewitt in that final

LoveFifteen
06-21-2012, 07:44 PM
How could anyone pick the 2005/2006 French Open as the chances that Fed blew the most? :rolls:

heya
06-22-2012, 01:04 AM
shed tears for 30+ non-fed matches which ended with less talented players in semis and finals.

stewietennis
06-22-2012, 01:07 AM
I think USO 2009, he regained is invincibility aura by winning the channel slam so he should've won that one against Del Potro.

leng jai
06-22-2012, 01:11 AM
Uso 2009.

SheepleBuster
06-22-2012, 01:11 AM
all of them. There was not one person in those who was better than Roger

viruzzz
06-22-2012, 01:12 AM
In order:
2009 USO - I think nobody can believe how the hell he didn't win there.
2005 AO - SuperSafin vs JesusFed. The match could go either way... That was the real final.
2011 USO - Nothing to say here, Djokovic played GREAT in the most difficult situations.
2009 AO - Tired Rafa could have lost that match, but that was "Depresserer".
2008 WIM - It's true that Rafa could had won those tiebreaks. But when they got to a 5th set, Fed played better and he could have won that.

Topspindoctor
06-22-2012, 01:14 AM
Why are people still debating this? USO 2009 was Olderer's biggest choke of his career.

Mark Lenders
06-22-2012, 01:15 AM
None of them. He was outplayed in all seven finals he lost and deserved to lose. There's no final where one can say he was particularly unlucky to have lost.

If I had to choose one, maybe AO 2005, he could perhaps have played a bit better on match point vs Safin.

Henry Chinaski
06-22-2012, 01:17 AM
AO 2009 easily.

Nadal was tired from his semi and played like complete shit. The defeat was 100% mental.

At least Del Potro played well in the 2009 US Open final. Nadal didn't even have to in Australia.

The tears were for a reason. He knew it was an unforgivable fuck up.

viruzzz
06-22-2012, 01:18 AM
None of them. He was outplayed in all seven finals he lost and deserved to lose. There's no final where one can say he was particularly unlucky to have lost.

This is false.
It's true that you can't change the past, but he wasn't outplayed in so many matches that he lost.
The same at some tournaments he won like 2009 RG SF. That could go the other way easily.

But if you think Federer was "outplayed" in 2009 USO, 2005 AO, 2009 AO and 2011 USO, you're really missing the point of the sport.

And this is not coming as a fan. It would be the same if you say Djokovic outplayed Nadal in 2012 AO or 2011 Wimbledon, or even Federer "outplaying" Roddick in 2009 WIM.

Topspindoctor
06-22-2012, 01:20 AM
None of them. He was outplayed in all seven finals he lost and deserved to lose. There's no final where one can say he was particularly unlucky to have lost.

I disagree. His arrogance cost him 2009 USO. He tried to outbash a ballbasher, despite his previous tactic of junkballing worked flawlessly in the past. He also served at 50% and served 11 double faults. When is the last time Olderer was serving that awful? I honestly can't remember.

Olderer should have won that match. He wasn't outplayed or outgrinded. He will victim to his own pride.

Mark Lenders
06-22-2012, 01:21 AM
This is false.
It's true that you can't change the past, but he wasn't outplayed in so many matches that he lost.
The same at some tournaments he won like 2009 RG SF. That could go the other way easily.

But if you think Federer was "outplayed" in 2009 USO, 2005 AO, 2009 AO and 2011 USO, you're really missing the point of the sport.

And this is not coming as a fan. It would be the same if you say Djokovic outplayed Nadal in 2012 AO or 2011 Wimbledon, or even Federer "outplaying" Roddick in 2009 WIM.

Playing better on key points it outplaying your opponent. In close matches, and sometimes even in not so close ones, a handful of key points decide the outcome.

On most days, Federer is better than his opponents on key points, which is why he has 16 Slams. On those tournaments you mention, he wasn't. It's as simple as that.

Del Potro, Nadal and Djokovic played the big points better than he did in those matches, which tipped the balance in very tight matches.

evilmindbulgaria
06-22-2012, 01:21 AM
We never know if he would've beaten Hewitt in the 2005 AO final either... :superlol:

Absolutely :yeah: Same goes for AO 2003 and USO 2003!

evilmindbulgaria
06-22-2012, 01:23 AM
1980 Wimby.

Lay off the "good stuff", dude :rolleyes:

viruzzz
06-22-2012, 01:24 AM
Playing better on key points it outplaying your opponent. In close matches, and sometimes even in not so close ones, a handful of key points decide the outcome.

On most days, Federer is better than his opponents on key points, which is why he has 16 Slams. On those tournaments you mention, he wasn't. It's as simple as that.

Del Potro, Nadal and Djokovic played the big points better than he did in those matches, which tipped the balance in very tight matches.

I don't agree with your definition of "outplaying" a player.
A close match would never be "outplaying" for me.

I don't like talking about "If..." but this is an "if..." thread, and that's the point of the thread, talking about when did he lost the better chances.

hipolymer
06-22-2012, 01:26 AM
2004 French Open. Federer beat Kuerten on clay before so he really should have won that, and the title.

Mark Lenders
06-22-2012, 01:29 AM
I don't agree with your definition of "outplaying" a player.
A close match would never be "outplaying" for me.

I don't like talking about "If..." but this is an "if..." thread, and that's the point of the thread, talking about when did he lost the better chances.

Maybe "outplaying on big points" would be a more appropriate way to describe it.

The point remains: Federer can't win every close match he plays, sometimes his opponents are more clutch/better on big points than he is, that's just how it is.

Even the biggest legends lose sometimes. Could he have won a few Slams that he didn't? Yes, he could. But he also won some close ones, that's just how the sport is.

abraxas21
06-22-2012, 01:42 AM
Australian Open 2009

rocketassist
06-22-2012, 02:51 AM
2004 French Open. Federer beat Kuerten on clay before so he really should have won that, and the title.

Really? No way, Guga kicked his arse all the way to Halle.

tripwires
06-22-2012, 03:36 AM
USO 2009. Faced a first-time finalist, a guy that he double-bagelled in Melbourne earlier in the year, in a match in which he cruised through the first set. :facepalm:

dazed1
06-22-2012, 03:37 AM
All of them.

duong
06-22-2012, 08:40 AM
Olderer should have won that match. He wasn't outplayed or outgrinded. He will victim to his own pride.

not saying the word "outplayed", he was powerless against Del Potro from the moment Del Potro started to play better after a bad start.

I felt he was powerless, beaten by a better player, and could only have won by luck that day (that is by taking benefit from Del Po's bad start of the match).

I never had that feeling against Nadal in AO 2009 when I always felt he was better than his opponent. And you can't say I'm one of the ones who usually underrates Nadal :lol: But that day yes, Fed was clearly better than his opponent in the first 4 sets, especially the third one.

leng jai
06-22-2012, 08:45 AM
not saying the word "outplayed", he was powerless against Del Potro from the moment Del Potro started to play better after a bad start.

I felt he was powerless, beaten by a better player, and could only have won by luck that day (that is by taking benefit from Del Po's bad start of the match).

I never had that feeling against Nadal in AO 2009 when I always felt he was better than his opponent. And you can't say I'm one of the ones who usually underrates Nadal :lol: But that day yes, Fed was clearly better than his opponent in the first 4 sets, especially the third one.

He was powerless once he decided he was going to out ballbash Del Potro on the backhand.

duong
06-22-2012, 08:51 AM
He was powerless once he decided he was going to out ballbash Del Potro on the backhand.

he didn't play much differently imo from the matches when he beats Del Potro usually. He doesn't use so much slice against Del Potro usually.

Del Potro was just better than in their other matches that day and that fortnight :shrug:

And also it was Fed's game that fortnight : against Robredo and Söderling he was hitting great.

leng jai
06-22-2012, 08:52 AM
he didn't play much differently imo from the matches when he beats Del Potro usually. He doesn't use so much slice against Del Potro usually.

Del Potro was just better than in their other matches that day and that fortnight :shrug:

And also it was Fed's game that fortnight : against Robredo and Söderling he was hitting great.

He always does. He did in the first set and a half of the USO and then it mysteriously disappeared from his repertoire.

manadrainer
06-22-2012, 09:00 AM
I disagree. His arrogance cost him 2009 USO. He tried to outbash a ballbasher, despite his previous tactic of junkballing worked flawlessly in the past. He also served at 50% and served 11 double faults. When is the last time Olderer was serving that awful? I honestly can't remember.

Olderer should have won that match. He wasn't outplayed or outgrinded. He will victim to his own pride.

AO 2009 final. He served like shit. :facepalm:

TBkeeper
06-22-2012, 09:23 AM
The slam where he lost to Davy .. oh wai..

cutesteve22
06-22-2012, 10:03 AM
2005 AO, the match point in SF equal to championship point.
2009 USO, he would have won if he didn't drop 2nd set stupidly
2008 Wimbledon, I know Nadal deserved it, Despite those MP of Nadal in 4th set, Federer was so close in 5th set

2003
09-12-2013, 12:04 PM
It's astonishing when you think Rog should have won 6 slams on the trot from 2008 US Open to 2010 Aussie open. Maybe 7 if he didn't mug up the first set of the Wimbledon 2008 final. He was so close. Sure there are others like 2009 Wimbledon he was lucky to win..but he sure should be sitting on more than 17 now. Maybe Nadal would catch him anyway?

That US Open final 2009 :help: Has there ever been a bigger choke on the big stage in professional sport?

Rychu
09-12-2013, 12:07 PM
AO 2005: Epic MP against Safin
Wimbledon 2008: I thought he would come back from 0-2 :( Had a breakpoint in the 5th if I recall correctly.
AO 2009: Breakpointconverterer
USO 2009: :facepalm:
All in all, he was 1-2 freaking sets from a Golden Slam.

Johnbert
09-12-2013, 12:10 PM
he blew a lot, that's for sure.

could've won the CYGS 2009 easily but choked in the hc-finals. uso 2010 and 2011, losing after having matchpoints, 2011 at own serve and had a 2-0 lead :facepalm:

won't say he choked rg 2011, that would be over the top, but it was his biggest chance to beat dull there. choked the 1st set in a horrible way :facepalm:

jcempire
09-12-2013, 12:10 PM
09 vs DELPO

This is a must win match but just don't know what happen to Federer, looks like a very unusually guy

Rychu
09-12-2013, 12:12 PM
he blew a lot, that's for sure.

could've won the CYGS 2009 easily but choked in the hc-finals. uso 2010 and 2011, losing after having matchpoints, 2011 at own serve and had a 2-0 lead :facepalm:

won't say he choked rg 2011, that would be over the top, but it was his biggest chance to beat dull there. choked the 1st set in a horrible way :facepalm:

I didn't mention USO 2010 and 2011 cause he was about to face Nadal in the finals and you know how usually that goes :facepalm:

Johnbert
09-12-2013, 12:12 PM
09 vs DELPO

This is a must win match but just don't know what happen to Federer, looks like a very unusually guy

the real annoying thing is, it would've been 4 in a row (rg 2009 - ao 2010). what a wasted opportunity :rolleyes:

Johnbert
09-12-2013, 12:18 PM
I didn't mention USO 2010 and 2011 cause he was about to face Nadal in the finals and you know how usually that goes :facepalm:

true. most likely nadal would sit on 14 now if fed would've won 2011...

oh, and wimbledon 2011 against tsonga. but i don't know if this was a regular choke. tsonga served out of this world and suddenly transformed into ueber-stronga. i'm sure he would've beaten djokovic in the semis and reached the final, but nadal was waiting there, so... :rolleyes:

PileDrive
09-12-2013, 01:05 PM
:superlol: at the Fedfans voting USO 2010 like he was beating that Nadal..i would agree that he most failed to close the door on a first-time Slam finalist like Delpo in USO 2009, but give credit to the then 20-year-old Argentine who simply outclutched him. Anybody else would have shat his pants in those Tbs..Also, Fed had a historically horrendous serving day that night; was completely over the place arguing Jake Garner..and he meekly went away in the 5th under the bludgeoning strokes of Delpotro..Massive performance by Juan..

StevieMardenboro
09-12-2013, 01:30 PM
Can't say Federer blew Aus Open 2009. He didn't play his best and was never in a winning position.
Nadal wasn't incredible that day so you can imagine Fed playing at his top level might have won but it just didn't happen.
Also can't say Wimbledon 2008. He had a dip in the second set but other than that he was immense to come from two sets down to take it into the night. It was just Nadal's time.

Its 2009 US for me.

He should have beaten Del Potro. His performance against Djokovic in the semi was immense, the final was his and he blew it and has been said he went on to win Aus 10 so could have had all four slams in his pocket after being reduced to tears by Rafa in 09.

I also want to say 2011 US as he all but beat Djokovic and although it was Nadal in waiting he wasn't playing that well I don't think. Certainly not 2010 or 2013 levels. I include it because he blew the semi at the final hurdle.

Nod to the 2011 French where Fed had good moments throughout the match but at the end of the day I don't think he could ever beat Nadal best of five on a high bouncing clay court.

This thread is the surest sign that everyone thinks 17 is no longer enough.

PileDrive
09-12-2013, 01:44 PM
Can't say Federer blew Aus Open 2009. He didn't play his best and was never in a winning position.
Nadal wasn't incredible that day so you can imagine Fed playing at his top level might have won but it just didn't happen.
Also can't say Wimbledon 2008. He had a dip in the second set but other than that he was immense to come from two sets down to take it into the night. It was just Nadal's time.

Its 2009 US for me.

He should have beaten Del Potro. His performance against Djokovic in the semi was immense, the final was his and he blew it and has been said he went on to win Aus 10 so could have had all four slams in his pocket after being reduced to tears by Rafa in 09.

I also want to say 2011 US as he all but beat Djokovic and although it was Nadal in waiting he wasn't playing that well I don't think. Certainly not 2010 or 2013 levels. I include it because he blew the semi at the final hurdle.

Nod to the 2011 French where Fed had good moments throughout the match but at the end of the day I don't think he could ever beat Nadal best of five on a high bouncing clay court.

This thread is the surest sign that everyone thinks 17 is no longer enough.

This..glory-hunting tards are trembling..simple as that....

henke007
09-12-2013, 04:08 PM
Roger really blew a couple Slams when he was at his peak + 2009 to Delpo. Should have been on 20 slams right now.

Kyle_Johansen
09-12-2013, 04:11 PM
What's amazing is that all these losses would have broken a lesser player, but Roger responds from them better than anyone.

JoWilly
09-12-2013, 04:16 PM
AO 2009 and US Open 2009 are matches he could have definitely won. But that is tennis. You have to take every opportunity you get otherwise the pendulum could swing the other way. Heartbreaking losses to watch though.

HKz
09-12-2013, 04:35 PM
Well considering what he would have accomplished, the USO 2009 final was probably the biggest chance he blew for a piece of history. Had he won that and continued in the same fashion by winning AO obviously he would have held all 4 slams.. Sad but he only has himself to blame for getting upset at that challenge Del Potro made in the second set, because you know that had Federer not experienced that situation he probably would have continued to steamroll Juan Martin.

WollyHBK
09-12-2013, 05:26 PM
US 2009 I still cant get over that fact he screwed up in the end

Mark Lenders
09-12-2013, 05:33 PM
Well considering what he would have accomplished, the USO 2009 final was probably the biggest chance he blew for a piece of history. Had he won that and continued in the same fashion by winning AO obviously he would have held all 4 slams.. Sad but he only has himself to blame for getting upset at that challenge Del Potro made in the second set, because you know that had Federer not experienced that situation he probably would have continued to steamroll Juan Martin.

Right...

That challenge and the ensuing argument was actually at 4*-4 AD Federer in the 3rd set (Federer was definitely steamrolling delPo there 1 set all and on serve in the third, having even been a break down, eh?) and if anything the whole situation made delPo lose a bit of focus and he then went on to make two consecutive double faults in the next game to get broken for the set.

Dave_92
09-12-2013, 05:37 PM
2009 USO, no doubts.

I'm still insulting Fed for that match.

Dark Knight
09-12-2013, 05:55 PM
AO 09 and USO 09.

No disrespect to Nadal and Delpo they did play well but i still can't believe Fed lost those two after having numerous chances to win. He could have won all four slams that year. :sadface:

Newcomer
09-12-2013, 06:44 PM
2005 AO by far.
Made volley from out on MP in 4th set :facepalm:

ahadabans
09-12-2013, 07:06 PM
I feel like the 2005 FO was the only one he had any reasonable chance of beating Nadal at. It wasn't a great chance, but I feel like he should've thrown everything he had at it. Because to me that was the start of the end of this rivalry.

Sure he gave away the 2009 AO to Rafa, but the seeds had been sown way before that day. Anyone with any sense knew there could only be one victor. IMO, it all started in 2005 at the FO.

HKz
09-12-2013, 07:18 PM
Right...

That challenge and the ensuing argument was actually at 4*-4 AD Federer in the 3rd set (Federer was definitely steamrolling delPo there 1 set all and on serve in the third, having even been a break down, eh?) and if anything the whole situation made delPo lose a bit of focus and he then went on to make two consecutive double faults in the next game to get broken for the set.

Are you joking? The challenge happened when Federer was serving for the second set...? Do you not remember your favorite player's biggest match?

underspin
09-12-2013, 07:20 PM
AO 2009 was more understandable, it was always going to be tough to take his chances when they arrived against Nadal.

I agree with the majority that the US Open 2009 was the worst, he effectively argued his way to defeat when he was in complete control. I wonder if he would have gone on to win in Melbourne with history on the line though?

haasenqvistfan
09-12-2013, 08:07 PM
2003 Australian Open- poor option. He wasnt ever ready to win a slam at that point.
2003 U.S Open- wasnt likely beating both Nalbandian and Roddick (who wasnt his pigeon yet
and had beaten him earlier that summer) plus two other rounds to win.
2005 Australian Open- what missed chance. He played his best and still lost. On his
match Safin hit a great shot to force him into an error.
2005 French/2006 French- Nadal at the French is never a chance for Roger.
2008 Australian Open- He got his ass kicked. Next.
2009 Australian Open- I guess a possability, but Nadal came back from an epic semi to beat Roger so you have to say he was just determined this time, like many times, and he was on a streak of ownage of Federer at this point anyway.
2009 U.S Open- absolutely.
2010 French- ROTFL is this a fecking joke. OP should be slapped silly for even including this.
2010 U.S Open- No way. Was never beating Nadal there. He merely saved himself the Career Slam of losses to Nadal by not converting his match point vs Djokovic, and cost Nadal a slam and helped mantain his slam lead by not converting it the next year to boot.
2011 Wimbledon- Hmm not likely. Tsonga flat out outplayed him the last 3 sets despite that Roger was still playing well. He wasnt certain to beat Novak, and if he had he would have for sure lost to Nadal in the final, which again like the 2011 U.S Open would be a case of by not making the final he actually helps keep Nadal at bay of his slam total for now which only helps him.

The only logical answer is the 2009 U.S Open. He really should have won that. However Nadal's knees had already gifted him 2 slams that year, so it was mostly karma I guess that he not win that one.

haasenqvistfan
09-12-2013, 08:09 PM
Some people voting for U.S Open show there are some delusional Federer fanboys on this forum. No way was Federer beating Nadal in the form he was in there, and the way he was serving. Absolutely none.

Even with the very small number of votes how can anyone pick the 2008 Australian Open either. Getting your ass kicked in straight sets is not a missed opportunity. Anyway Federer supposably had mono then too, so never had the strength needed to win 7 matches.

Mark Lenders
09-12-2013, 09:04 PM
Are you joking? The challenge happened when Federer was serving for the second set...? Do you not remember your favorite player's biggest match?

I remember it quite well.

b03gEvmaJPA


Unless you're not referring to this incident when Federer threw a hissy fit, but to the point delPo won via a challenge to set up BP when Federer was serving for it in the second set - but why would he be mad about that, the ball was on the line and the point was delPo's, not to mention he challenged immediately then.

HKz
09-12-2013, 10:34 PM
I remember it quite well.

b03gEvmaJPA


Unless you're not referring to this incident when Federer threw a hissy fit, but to the point delPo won via a challenge to set up BP when Federer was serving for it in the second set - but why would he be mad about that, the ball was on the line and the point was delPo's, not to mention he challenged immediately then.

...Why wouldn't I be referring to that situation, that was the turning point for the match for Del Potro. And I'm not sure why you don't think Federer shouldn't have been flustered, you have to be silly if you thought Del Potro didn't take way too long to challenge in the 5-4 game in the second set. Yes, in the end the right call went through and in reality Federer could and should have regrouped mentally, but regardless that was definitely the catalyst of the match unless you think Del Potro would have come back from 2 sets to love at that point.

Mark Lenders
09-12-2013, 10:52 PM
...Why wouldn't I be referring to that situation, that was the turning point for the match for Del Potro. And I'm not sure why you don't think Federer shouldn't have been flustered, you have to be silly if you thought Del Potro didn't take way too long to challenge in the 5-4 game in the second set. Yes, in the end the right call went through and in reality Federer could and should have regrouped mentally, but regardless that was definitely the catalyst of the match unless you think Del Potro would have come back from 2 sets to love at that point.

Are you making this up or just misremembering? Luckily I've watched this match many times, check this out, the challenge is basically instantaneous, watch the first seconds of this video:

L4b12CSdJFU


When people talk about the challenge incident in this final, it's about Federer's hissy fit late in the third set after delPo took long to challenge. The challenge in the second set was as normal as it can get: delPo attempts a passing shot very close to the line, it gets called out, he challenges instantaneously, Hawk Eye shows it's in.

paseo
09-12-2013, 10:52 PM
RG 08.

Fed had that match, but he lost concentration at a critical time and lost it.

ahadabans
09-13-2013, 12:04 AM
RG 08.

Fed had that match, but he lost concentration at a critical time and lost it.

He lost concentration during the coin toss apparently. LOL.

I remember that final. I was in disbelief the entire match.

HKz
09-13-2013, 01:02 AM
Are you making this up or just misremembering? Luckily I've watched this match many times, check this out, the challenge is basically instantaneous, watch the first seconds of this video:

L4b12CSdJFU


When people talk about the challenge incident in this final, it's about Federer's hissy fit late in the third set after delPo took long to challenge. The challenge in the second set was as normal as it can get: delPo attempts a passing shot very close to the line, it gets called out, he challenges instantaneously, Hawk Eye shows it's in.

Yes, I can admit I did mix up those two line call situations, my bad, but my point still stands that Federer's mental eruption started from that first line call when serving for the second set and that up to the 5-4 game in the 2nd set, Juan Martin looked confused by the moment. I'm sure he was fuming when he lost the second set and it only piled on further after the break situation in the middle of the third set.

shanks
09-13-2013, 01:41 AM
A.O. 2009. Without those mental demons against Nadull he would have won it in straight sets.

This. He dominated Nadal for 4 sets and still lost easily in the 5th. Fed always had huge mental problems against Nadal. Abnormally huge, he should have hired a sports psychologist like Ernie Els did. How many times in Monte Carlo & Hamburg he blew 5-0 & 5-1 set leads against Nadal. Even FO 2011 first set. But by that time we were used to it. The mental collapses against Nadal were embarrassing and rather sad to watch actually. Sports is cruel, nowhere to hide.

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Mark Lenders
09-13-2013, 02:16 AM
Yes, I can admit I did mix up those two line call situations, my bad, but my point still stands that Federer's mental eruption started from that first line call when serving for the second set and that up to the 5-4 game in the 2nd set, Juan Martin looked confused by the moment. I'm sure he was fuming when he lost the second set and it only piled on further after the break situation in the middle of the third set.

I do agree that the 10th game of the second set was the decisive momentum shifter, Federer would almost certainly have won the match had he gone 2 sets up. But I don't see why we are blaming the line call for that instead of delPo's clutch play to come up with two great passing shots to break (he who generally has awful passing shots). Are you saying that if the linesman had made the correct decision in the first place and called the ball in, Federer would have won the next point to save BP and gone on to hold for the set? This is very dubious at best.

Federer's mental eruption in this final is overrated anyway, if you watch this 10th game again Federer actually 3 out of 4 first serves from 30-0 up and charged the net in those last two points - which is generally a very good strategy for him against del Potro due to the latter's horrible passing shots, only with his back against the wall delPo came up with arguably the two best passing shots he'll ever hit. In other words, it wasn't Federer breaking himself with poor serving and UEs, but rather delPo hitting great winners to get back level. In the third set, it was del Potro who was up a break actually and then went on to get broken back and made two consecutive double faults when serving to stay in the set at 30-30 (now this is a choke). In the 4th set, again Federer was never in the lead, delPo broke first then got broken back. Both tiebreaks were basically perfect from delPo. Only in set 5 did Federer really check out mentally after going down an early break.

The only reason this is deemed a choke is because Federer lost; if it had been Federer pulling those passing shots with his back against the wall, no doubt it'd have been called clutch or even genius (although for him those are way higher % shots than for delPo).

guga2120
09-13-2013, 02:18 AM
RG 08.

Fed had that match, but he lost concentration at a critical time and lost it.

:lol: