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Soderling Confident He Can Break Nadal-Federer Slam Dominance

Lleyton_
01-03-2011, 11:47 AM
Misleading headline from ATP :o

“I never felt that the gap was very big [between Nadal, Federer and the rest],” said Soderling, who defeated Nadal and Federer en route to the 2009 and 2010 Roland Garros finals respectively. “There are a lot of very good players and I think there are 10 or even 15 guys who can win the big tournaments like the Grand Slams. Of course, Roger and Rafa will always be the favourites in every tournament they play in, but I think there are a lot of players who have a chance to beat them.”

“I still feel I can improve and become a better player,” said the big-hitting Swede. “If I can do that then I’m pretty sure I have a good chance to do well this year. [During the off season] I tried to do a few things. I tried to work on playing a little bit more aggressively, coming into the net a little bit more.”

Topspindoctor
01-03-2011, 11:52 AM


“I still feel I can improve and become a better player,” said the big-hitting Swede. “If I can do that then I’m pretty sure I have a good chance to do well this year. [During the off season] I tried to do a few things. I tried to work on playing a little bit more aggressively, coming into the net a little bit more.”

:eek: Soderling trying to be even MORE aggressive? I hope this doesn't lead to negative results, he's aggressive enough. He needs to work on his movement if anything. When he can line up his shots, he's lethal, which explains his success on clay.

Pirao666
01-03-2011, 12:01 PM
It's good that he has confidence, but to win a slam you usually have to go thorught both Fed and Nadal, a tall order.

finishingmove
01-03-2011, 12:08 PM
Sodders needs to grab that sand and throw it in Fedal eyes

Blackbriar
01-03-2011, 12:13 PM
he can do it, but there are no 10-15 other players who could achieve that.

samanosuke
01-03-2011, 12:14 PM
Only thing which Soderling can break is his own head

Mungo
01-03-2011, 12:26 PM
Misleading headline from ATP :o

“I never felt that the gap was very big [between Nadal, Federer and the rest],” said Soderling, who defeated Nadal and Federer en route to the 2009 and 2010 Roland Garros finals respectively. “There are a lot of very good players and I think there are 10 or even 15 guys who can win the big tournaments like the Grand Slams. Of course, Roger and Rafa will always be the favourites in every tournament they play in, but I think there are a lot of players who have a chance to beat them.”

“I still feel I can improve and become a better player,” said the big-hitting Swede. “If I can do that then I’m pretty sure I have a good chance to do well this year. [During the off season] I tried to do a few things. I tried to work on playing a little bit more aggressively, coming into the net a little bit more.”

Dumbness at its best

scoobs
01-03-2011, 12:28 PM
Well good luck to him, will be interesting to see if he can repeat his exploits of the last 2 years or if he'll start to slide backwards a bit, and see what impact the loss of Norman has on his results, if any.

Mungo
01-03-2011, 12:30 PM
:eek: Soderling trying to be even MORE aggressive? I hope this doesn't lead to negative results, he's aggressive enough. He needs to work on his movement if anything. When he can line up his shots, he's lethal, which explains his success on clay.

Soderling sucks at the net, if he comes more to the net he will be more vulnerable, but as dumb as he's it wouldn't surprise me if he does.

Merton
01-03-2011, 12:34 PM
Good to hear and I hope he delivers, even though I am no fan of him.

Certinfy
01-03-2011, 12:35 PM
I don't see why he can't, last week the first set and a half against Tsonga was unreal, no player would of been able to keep up with Soderling playing that aggressive, it was stupidly unplayable!

scoobs
01-03-2011, 12:38 PM
I don't see why he can't, last week the first set and a half against Tsonga was unreal, no player would of been able to keep up with Soderling playing that aggressive, it was stupidly unplayable!
It's not like there was a lot of pressure on him in that situation, though, was it - pressure and how they handle it is the key determinant in so many of these results

Topspindoctor
01-03-2011, 12:45 PM
I don't see why he can't, last week the first set and a half against Tsonga was unreal, no player would of been able to keep up with Soderling playing that aggressive, it was stupidly unplayable!

And he lost the second set.

He was absolutely thrashing Nadal in the first set of Wimbledon QF as well.

The problem isn't his game, everyone knows he has it. The problem is maintaining it in best of 5 format.

born_on_clay
01-03-2011, 01:07 PM
:haha:

superganon
01-03-2011, 01:36 PM
well he and murray are batteling for nr 4...murray is dumb tho not competing before AO and he can lose his nr 4 seed if soderling wins brisbane.

djokovic-murray-soderling are all even top guys now imo. they are beating each other out. still soderling needs to show more results with some results in the slams exept in RG. but its not easy when ur facing nadal and federer in 3/4 GS draws.... last AO he had djokovic as his QF match but as we all know soda lost against the heat....

soderling has the possiblility to be nr3. and i can see him winning a grand slam aswell. tho AO aint that place anymore with "upsets" like 2006,2007.. but if del potro can win a slam, soderling can

TennisOnWood
01-03-2011, 01:53 PM
Even he don't believe in that

oranges
01-03-2011, 02:03 PM
Good on you Soda. Now walk the talk please.

Crazy Girl
01-03-2011, 02:34 PM
In Italy there's a saying: "Who lived hoping....died...-ing"

JayR
01-03-2011, 03:58 PM
Misleading headline from ATP :o

“I never felt that the gap was very big [between Nadal, Federer and the rest],” said Soderling, who defeated Nadal and Federer en route to the 2009 and 2010 Roland Garros finals respectively. “There are a lot of very good players and I think there are 10 or even 15 guys who can win the big tournaments like the Grand Slams. Of course, Roger and Rafa will always be the favourites in every tournament they play in, but I think there are a lot of players who have a chance to beat them.”



Lot of very good players. No argument there. But 10 or 15 players capable of winning Grand Slams? Only in a parallel universe.

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 04:21 PM
sod is improving but so are the 4 top guns. and the top 2 are light years ahead of him anyway.

translation: you are no match for the top 2 buddy. not yesterday, not today, and not even in the afterlife.

man has got to know his limitations.

oranges
01-03-2011, 04:25 PM
sod is improving but so are the 4 top guns. and the top 2 are light years ahead of him anyway.

translation: you are no match for the top 2 buddy. not yesterday, not today, and not even in the afterlife.

man has got to know his limitations.

Of course, because it's not as if he's beaten both of them in slam :crazy: That was in parallel universe, in real world of mythology, that is simply an impossibility, right.

Roger the Dodger
01-03-2011, 04:30 PM
Arrogance helps.

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 04:31 PM
to win a slam today, the chances are pretty good that you have to go through both of them and that is not easy.

nadal, healthy and fit and close to his best, cannot be defeated at all in battle. learn that fact now in order to save you a lot of heartaches later.

nadal was injured. and sod`s win over fed at roland garros was a fluke. an outlier. once in a lifetime deal that will never happen again.


lastly: in order to be compared to the top 2 guns today, you have to be a multi slam winner. and that conversation does not even begin until somebody has at the very least 9 slams.

translation: sod is nothing. may even be less than nothing when being compared to fed and nadal.

oranges
01-03-2011, 04:37 PM
But of course, better they give up from the start lest they disturb the established order. Best stick to the recommendation to know their limitations. What competitive sportsman in his right mind would think he could possibly string both of them in a single slam after doing it separately. Delusions. Lets also not mention the possibility that another Soderling or Berdych might do him a favor of taking out one of them. BTW, I realize now it was my grandmother running like a rabbit in that RG match.

GlennMirnyi
01-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Awwww good for him.

Won't happen, though.

What's the use of him going to the net? This guy's volleying skills are abysmal.

azinna
01-03-2011, 04:41 PM
With his game, at his current level, and with his recent big scalps, there's no excuse for Soderling not believing he can win a slam. Much prefer this over the let-me-bend-over responses we got in the mid-2000s (from Agassi, Hewitt, Blake, etc).

The tennis court is not a place of worship.

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 04:43 PM
dream on.

dreams are free.

what part of "nothing" did you not understand?

here i will say this again: sod is good and top 10 now but he is a zero compared to the 2 top guns. and always will be a zero.

watch what they do to him at all 4 slams this year.

**you just cannot buy the movement, consistency, and the iron will at walmart. nobody has ever moved like the top 2. nobody has their consistency and certainly nobody even comes close to their relentless will.

Seingeist
01-03-2011, 04:59 PM
translation: sod is nothing. may even be less than nothing when being compared to fed and nadal.

But this is a silly thing to say. We're not comparing their overall careers or their positions in tennis history. We're merely considering the possibility that Soderling (or "10-15 other guys") will snatch a slam from Fedal. Obviously, even if it's a bit of a long shot (and Sod never said that it wasn't), Sod has shown himself more or less capable as oranges has already pointed out.

Making the FO final two years in a row is not a "fluke," no matter how bitter you may be against SodKing for beating your idol on his best surface. :shrug:

Pirata.
01-03-2011, 04:59 PM
Of course, because it's not as if he's beaten both of them in slam :crazy: That was in parallel universe, in real world of mythology, that is simply an impossibility, right.

He has never beaten them both in the same slam :shrug:

Foxy
01-03-2011, 05:03 PM
I don't think he can go much further than he is now. He can only go down. Not much potential of improving anything in his game and he is not that young.

oranges
01-03-2011, 05:04 PM
He has never beaten them both in the same slam :shrug:

If he has, I think it's safe to say he'd be a slam winner now since one of them would be in the final given how the draw works. Are you saying you agree 'he should know his limitations'?

Lleyton_
01-03-2011, 05:07 PM
He has never beaten them both in the same slam :shrug:

Djokovic has never done that either but he's a grand slam champion.

Blackbriar
01-03-2011, 05:09 PM
The only reason Soda lost the second set against clownga was because of unforced errors. he was doing everything in the match, points and faults. the 3rd set said everything: 6/1. the other one was sweating like he had played for 4 hours and it was his first match after weeks of rest.

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 05:23 PM
But this is a silly thing to say. We're not comparing their overall careers or their positions in tennis history. We're merely considering the possibility that Soderling (or "10-15 other guys") will snatch a slam from Fedal. Obviously, even if it's a bit of a long shot (and Sod never said that it wasn't), Sod has shown himself more or less capable as oranges has already pointed out.

Making the FO final two years in a row is not a "fluke," no matter how bitter you may be against SodKing for beating your idol on his best surface. :shrug:



you last line is just an assumption and its good for nothing other than making you look clueless.

nadal was injured. even the blind, clueless, hapless, legless, toothless, and totally defficient in every possible way bag lady on the side of the road knows that.

do the 5 french opens provide any clue at all? how about losing 6 matches on clay in 7 years? does that help? will 8 french opens open your eyes any? again, sod is a zero compared to fed and nadal. and he is less than nothing compared to nadal on the red clay.

sod was even better in 2010 than he was in 2009. he took out fed. tell us what happened to him next at roland garros?

and nadal was still far from his best. i cant hear you. speak a little louder.


and for your information, i have become a fan of players like berdych and sod. i admire greatly the improvements they have been able to make in their games. fed and nadal are forcing them all to improve.

oranges
01-03-2011, 05:23 PM
Good to see you found a way to talk about Tsonga here. Last time I checked, they never played in a slam, but it's somehow relevant to this thread.

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 05:25 PM
Djokovic has never done that either but he's a grand slam champion.

there is this thing called the concept of "central tendency".

on the average, you pretty much have to go through both to win a slam today. that should hold true for a little while longer.

and it becomes even harder now for players like sod because murray and djokovic also continue to improve.

Sillyrabbit
01-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Misleading headline from ATP :o

“I never felt that the gap was very big ,” said Soderling, who defeated Nadal and Federer en route to the 2009 and 2010 Roland Garros finals respectively. “There are a lot of very good players and [B]I think there are 10 or even 15 guys who can win the big tournaments like the Grand Slams. Of course, Roger and Rafa will always be the favourites in every tournament they play in, but I think there are a lot of players who have a chance to beat them.”

Either he's a bit deluded or he's just trying to be an optimist, because the part in bold is stretching the truth A LOT. There really aren't 10-15 guys on the ATP who can win slams right now. Probably about 5 or 6 if we're being kind.

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 05:38 PM
its the first line that i have trouble with:

"i never felt that the gap was very big(between nadal, federer, and the rest)."

they have 25 slams and around 35-36 masters shields. and they have been ranked in the top 2 for 7 years.


he is deluded. all he can ever look forward to is feeding off the crumbs that fall from the dinner table of fed and nadal.

djokovic and murray will take over after fed and nadal.

i would have never made a statement like that. now they will have a little added motivation when they play him.

r2473
01-03-2011, 05:54 PM
Nadal tends to get injured and tends to go through (relative) slumps. No reason to think this won't happen in the future. Last year at this time people were pronouncing Nadal "finished". Who knows what 2011 holds.

Federer is approaching 30 and is clearly not "as dominating" as previous years.

Sod's analysis is correct. But, that doesn't mean that Fedal won't win all the slams again this year, but I think "the pack" have a better chance this year than in the past.

But, if Nadal is able to play "2010 style dominating tennis", he is clearly the man to beat. Hell, he could win all 4 slams this year.

Singularity
01-03-2011, 05:59 PM
its the first line that i have trouble with:

"i never felt that the gap was very big(between nadal, federer, and the rest)."

they have 25 slams and around 35-36 masters shields. and they have been ranked in the top 2 for 7 years.
He's not talking about the gap in achievements. Obviously that gap is vast. He's talking about the difference in level.

I think it's just a fact that Federer and Nadal have many close matches in slams, where only handful of points separate them from their opponent. From that fact I think it follows, that several players have the game to beat Federer and Nadal, they just lack the ability to execute on the big points. So in that sense the gap isn't huge.

If a player like Soderling wants to take that extra step, he needs to believe in himself; he needs to believe he can win - as he did in his FO QF against Federer, where he hadn't beat Federer once before. He could have simply given up when he lost the first set, accepting that Federer was simply too good for him, and that this would be a repeat of their previous encounters. Is that what the people in this thread are advocating? That players must know their place, and never try to go beyond it?

Lleyton_
01-03-2011, 06:02 PM
its the first line that i have trouble with:

"i never felt that the gap was very big(between nadal, federer, and the rest)."

they have 25 slams and around 35-36 masters shields. and they have been ranked in the top 2 for 7 years.


he is deluded. all he can ever look forward to is feeding off the crumbs that fall from the dinner table of fed and nadal.

djokovic and murray will take over after fed and nadal.

i would have never made a statement like that. now they will have a little added motivation when they play him.

That's why you're sitting on your ass and he's a pro. There is nothing wrong with being confident even if it's close to being deluded. Serena Williams sounds deluded most of the time but she delivers when it counts.
Every player is different though. Nadal pretends he's the ultimate underdog all the time. That is a different kind of deluded. Federer in my opinion knows too much about what's going on.....records, all that historical stuff and thus puts more pressure on himself. I believe that's one of the reasons why he's shown mental fragility under pressure. Read his interviews and you'll see he knows everything, even stats about other players. Unnecessary if you ask me.
In the AO post match interview with Wilander and some woman he was talking about what he thought when he didn't react to Murray's passing shot on mp and he was like "Oh my God he just took the trophy out of my hands". He's too realistic I'd say. I never heard anything remotely close to that from Nadal or S.Williams or Henin, mentally tough players. Anyway confidence is good.

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 06:05 PM
those 2 are all time greats and 2 of the greatest players ever lived. i would just keep my mouth shut and let my racquet to the talking.

this kind of stuff can give them extra motivation. and it puts extra pressure on your own self.

they could certainly use it as added motivation.

its the gap in level that has led to such a massive gap in achievements.

Orka_n
01-03-2011, 06:14 PM
CD, you keep repeating the same things. Give it a rest.

Fact: Though it is tough, Fedal is beatable.
Robin has much self-confidence which is good for him. If he didn't think he could win every match then he has no business in the top 10. :shrug:

ApproachShot
01-03-2011, 06:21 PM
While I wouldn't put him completely out of the title picture, let's not forget that until Paris this year he didn't even have a Masters 1000 trophy to his name. Then again, Soderling is only one of the select few competitors that can actually beat Fedal in a slam (and has already proved it). Going all the way, however, is another matter. Fedal usually are much tougher to beat in finals anyway.

Serenidad
01-03-2011, 06:25 PM
Robin better sit his press self down. He will do nothing. He can barely win 1 M1000 title let along a slam. He's the weakest player in the top 5, and they will ALL come for his wig.

flygirlbyegirl.

Singularity
01-03-2011, 06:29 PM
its the gap in level that has led to such a massive gap in achievements.
And in many many matches that gap has been pretty small.

nobama
01-03-2011, 06:49 PM
Well he beat Fed at a slam in 2010, now it's his turn to beat cheater at a slam in 2011. :)

Dougie
01-03-2011, 07:01 PM
While Söderling is definitely capable of beating anyone in a single match, it´s hard to see him being able to play 7 best of 5 matches in a row at a sufficiently high level. His game is very vulnrable when it´s not "on". When he plays well and gets a good matchup, he can beat anyone, when he plays badly, he can be horrendous. He might be able to make one dream run and win a GS, but I can´t see him being a steady contender at the Slams.

Shirogane
01-03-2011, 07:19 PM
He's had his chance twice already. Both times failing to step it up in the championship match.

Ilovetheblues_86
01-03-2011, 07:21 PM
Just go and do it man. Be the intruder.

RedHotRafa
01-03-2011, 07:24 PM
My ass, Toaderling!! Just like you were confident you could win WTF this year. Roddick has a better chance at a slam than this ball basher

r2473
01-03-2011, 08:57 PM
It's a fine line. You want to be confident. But when you speak you really take a lot of heat. Same thing happened to Djokovic after winning his slam. He declared that he was more than a match for Fedal, but failed to deliver. Same with Murray. Even Fed takes heat when he tries to sound confident.

Maybe Sod should have said "All we can do is try our best, no". Everyone loves that shit.

oomph
01-03-2011, 09:00 PM
My ass, Toaderling!! Just like you were confident you could win WTF this year. Roddick has a better chance at a slam than this ball basher

What is this about "ball bashers"? You'd rather have him dink the ball over the net? He's a huge guy, of course he's going to crush the ball.

Guy Haines
01-03-2011, 09:46 PM
Robin better sit his press self down. He will do nothing. He can barely win 1 M1000 title let along a slam. He's the weakest player in the top 5, and they will ALL come for his wig.

flygirlbyegirl.

What could you possibly mean with that last quote? Something about your shady maneuvers to get people you don't like kicked off the board?

Nole fan
01-03-2011, 10:15 PM
First he has to prove that he can beat Fed more than just once, slam or no slam. Fed owns him 15-1.
With Nadal he has been able to beat him twice out of five so he has better chances, but I think Fed has his number.
The slams is not about beating one of the two but beating them both at the same time. It's almost impossible.

Serenidad
01-03-2011, 10:31 PM
What could you possibly mean with that last quote? Something about your shady maneuvers to get people you don't like kicked off the board?

You are so press over flyboy's wig being snatch by the mods that you are trying to turn flygirlbyegirl into something about him.

That is so low. flygirlbyegirl is a known swat and dismissal saying. Do your research. :lol:

Stay press btw. :smooch:

Clay Death
01-03-2011, 10:39 PM
First he has to prove that he can beat Fed more than just once, slam or no slam. Fed owns him 15-1.
With Nadal he has been able to beat him twice out of five so he has better chances, but I think Fed has his number.
The slams is not about beating one of the two but beating them both at the same time. It's almost impossible.

i am not even sure fed handed him that win in order to avoid the possibility of losing yet another roland garros final to nadal.

i mean lets face it, it really hurts fed`s legacy if he keeps losing slam finals to nadal while he is trying to make a case for the "greatest ever to play the game."

sod is no match for fed on any surface.

and you are right: sod cant deal with fed and nadal at a same slam. one or both of them would have to be injured.

and now sod has another problem: the great serbian slayer

DorianGray7
01-03-2011, 10:45 PM
Maybe if Soderling wasn't just a mindless ballbaster he would have a chance.

He's main plan to TO HIT THE BALL AS HARD AS POSSIBLE REPEAT 10x, no plan B. JUST HIT IT Freaking HARD and YOU WILL WIN.

moron.

Guy Haines
01-03-2011, 10:48 PM
You are so press over flyboy's wig being snatch by the mods that you are trying to turn flygirlbyegirl into something about him.

That is so low. flygirlbyegirl is a known swat and dismissal saying. Do your research. :lol:

Stay press btw. :smooch:

Uh, duh. Your street talk double-meaning in this particular case is transparent, sweetie, since normally you're so damn redundant. You're about as intimidating -- and genuine -- as a nursing clog knock-off.

Your issues with flyboy are your issues, but you tried to get me booted too and then went around spreading mistruths about it when you thought I was gone. I can imagine your face when other posters told you I was unbanned.

Yeah, you're fierce alright, tattling to moderators and then bullshitting in the aftermath. Cindy Brady fronting like she's Roxanne Shante.

Lleyton_
01-03-2011, 10:48 PM
i am not even sure fed handed him that win in order to avoid the possibility of losing yet another roland garros final to nadal.

i mean lets face it, it really hurts fed`s legacy if he keeps losing slam finals to nadal while he is trying to make a case for the "greatest ever to play the game."

sod is no match for fed on any surface.

and you are right: sod cant deal with fed and nadal at a same slam. one or both of them would have to be injured.

and now sod has another problem: the great serbian slayer

You and SdG have this obsession with Federer tanking matches in order to avoid Nadal. Are you for real? He was about to break the all time weeks at no.1 record and this is a player who's lost to Nadal 4 times in a row at the same slam. A 5th time wouldn't have changed anything especially at RG. Get real ffs.

Serenidad
01-03-2011, 10:54 PM
Uh, duh. Your street talk double-meaning in this particular case is transparent, sweetie, since normally you're so damn redundant. You're about as intimidating -- and genuine -- as a nursing clog knock-off.

Your issues with flyboy are your issues, but you tried to get me booted too and then went around spreading mistruths about it when you thought I was gone. I can imagine your face when other posters told you I was unbanned.

Yeah, you're fierce alright, tattling to moderators and then bullshitting in the aftermath. Cindy Brady fronting like she's Roxanne Shante.

:eek: You are putting this thread off topic. I will not partake in this. If you want to discuss it further go to non-tennis.

Seingeist
01-03-2011, 10:55 PM
Maybe if Soderling wasn't just a mindless ballbaster he would have a chance.

He's main plan to TO HIT THE BALL AS HARD AS POSSIBLE REPEAT 10x, no plan B. JUST HIT IT Freaking HARD and YOU WILL WIN.

moron.

He's #5 in the world. So he must be doing something right with his "main plan," wouldn't you think?

Moron. :wavey: