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Soderling #4 if he wins Brisbane- He wins it and now is #4

vn01
01-02-2011, 01:17 PM
If Soderling wins Brisbane, he'll move to no.4 and Murray will go down to no.5. So, Andy will be 5th seeded at Australian Open, too. What is also interesting is that Soderling may stay at #4 longer, becuase he has to defend only 10 points in Melbourne, while Murray has 1200.

We'll see if the Swede can win Brisbane and surpass Andy. :wavey:

finishingmove
01-02-2011, 01:24 PM
Soderling will definitely overtake Murray soon, but I don't see him above Murray at the end of the year.

Topspindoctor
01-02-2011, 01:26 PM
I hope Olderer draws Mugray this time. So sick of this pusher in Rafa's draw.

FlavorNuts
01-02-2011, 01:27 PM
Soderling is a much better clay player than Murray. Whereas Murray is only marginally better on hard. Wouldn't be surprised if by the time the clay season is over, Soderling has a 1500+ points lead.

vn01
01-02-2011, 01:31 PM
Soderling is a much better clay player than Murray. Whereas Murray is only marginally better on hard. Wouldn't be surprised if by the time the clay season is over, Soderling has a 1500+ points lead.

But Soderling has to defend 1200 points from Roland Garros Final. It'll be really really interesting. :)

P.S. Murray made awful Indian Wells and Miami tournaments last year, while Soderling made two semifinals. I expect a really huge battle between these two for the 4th place in the upcoming months.

philosophicalarf
01-02-2011, 01:33 PM
Soderling is a much better clay player than Murray. Whereas Murray is only marginally better on hard.

Yet in a bad year, Murray still won 2 hc masters, while Soda has 1 hc masters his entire career (the one all the top players ignore). Murray made the Aus final, Soda has never made Aus R3, nor even a semi at the US.

Certinfy
01-02-2011, 01:41 PM
Come on Robin! :D

nadal_slam_king
01-02-2011, 01:44 PM
Soderling is a much better clay player than Murray. Whereas Murray is only marginally better on hard. Wouldn't be surprised if by the time the clay season is over, Soderling has a 1500+ points lead.

Murray wins Masters Shields (on hardcourt), so that helps him in the rankings.....since Soderling doesn't win Masters Shields enough.

Mungo
01-02-2011, 02:11 PM
LOL another Rafa v Murray AO QF :D

It will be Fed vs Murray this time. Luck can't be on the same side forever.

Sonja1989
01-02-2011, 02:15 PM
Murray drops his Australian Open point. After AO Soderling will be 4th. (except Murray win AO)

fsoica
01-02-2011, 02:15 PM
I hope Olderer draws Mugray this time. So sick of this pusher in Rafa's draw.

it's easy to say pusher nowadays, when rafa has a new serve and an aggressive style of play...
we, tards, are so funny ;)

nadal_slam_king
01-02-2011, 02:18 PM
it's easy to say pusher nowadays, when rafa has a new serve and an aggressive style of play...
we, tards, are so funny ;)

Rafa puts more topspin on the ball than any player perhaps ever. This has been true from the first day he stepped on tour. That's funny how you thought he was a pusher :lol:

Goldenoldie
01-02-2011, 02:24 PM
The thread is about Soderling and his chances of overtaking Murray, and then all of a sudden it's about Rafa. If I didn't laugh I would cry!

paseo
01-02-2011, 02:25 PM
I hope Olderer draws Mugray this time. So sick of this pusher in Rafa's draw.

It will be Fed vs Murray this time. Luck can't be on the same side forever.

Worried for your beloved Nadal, eh? Call him a pusher all you like, but the prospect of Murray in Nadal's QF draw really scare you, NadalTards, doesn't it? :devil:

This Murray is a very good SOB on HCs. Be afraid.

nadal_slam_king
01-02-2011, 02:27 PM
Worried for your beloved Nadal, eh? Call him a pusher all you like, but the prospect of Murray in Nadal's QF draw really scare you, NadalTards, doesn't it? :devil:

This Murray is a very good SOB on HCs. Be afraid.

Definitely, Murray is by far the most dangerous player on hardcourts.

fast_clay
01-02-2011, 02:38 PM
i smell nadal tard fear in this thread... a pungent odour

Goldenoldie
01-02-2011, 02:43 PM
i smell nadal tard fear in this thread... a pungent odour

Nadal tards don't know the meaning of fear. Mind you, they don't know the meaning of lots of words :devil:

vn01
01-02-2011, 02:45 PM
Why we have to be afraid of Murray. See WTF 2010 plus Nadal is fresher than in London. As for me, right now I'm not worried for Australian Open. But Rafa is the best player in the world and I think he is able to win the title.

Sham Kay
01-02-2011, 02:47 PM
The prospect of a Rafa vs Andy Aussie QF you say?

*Yoinks out the PomPoms* Go go Robin! Win Brisbane and make that No.4 spot yours. MTF believes in you.

Blackbriar
01-02-2011, 02:56 PM
that ould be great for Soda, a good draw at AO could bring him in second week!

The Magician
01-02-2011, 03:09 PM
It's interesting but irrelevant. Nadull has to avoid all of the top 5 in the draw to win, all of them can beat him easily on HC. Federer can beat all of them depending entirely on his level of play. Hopefully this AO will see someone outside the top 5 step up and make the final like Tsonga in 2008 and not like Mugdasco in 2009 :o

Mungo
01-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Worried for your beloved Nadal, eh? Call him a pusher all you like, but the prospect of Murray in Nadal's QF draw really scare you, NadalTards, doesn't it? :devil:

This Murray is a very good SOB on HCs. Be afraid.

We're used to Nadal having tougher draws and worse scheduling than Fedull. Nadal would beat Fed in the AO under fair conditions. But if Fed's draw is a cakewalk and Nadal has to fight against Murray before that, then things can change. Murray would be the toughest opponent for everyone in the QF, also for Fedull.
No top player wants to play Murray in the QF but I would love a Nadal-Murray final. I think someone from the current top 4 will lose before the semis.

Mungo
01-02-2011, 03:14 PM
It's interesting but irrelevant. Nadull has to avoid all of the top 5 in the draw to win, all of them can beat him easily on HC. Federer can beat all of them depending entirely on his level of play. Hopefully this AO will see someone outside the top 5 step up and make the final like Tsonga in 2008 and not like Mugdasco in 2009 :o

Welcome to 2011 where Nadal just beat Murray on indoor hardcourts and beat Djokovic in the USO final and also on indoor hardcourts. Yes, the same Djokovic that beat Fedull in semis ;)
Nadal is the no.1 and the champion of the last major on hardcourts. He's the favorite to win the AO. Period. ahh these haters never learn.....

The Magician
01-02-2011, 03:15 PM
We're used to Nadal having tougher draws and worse scheduling than Fedull. Nadal would beat Fed in the AO under fair conditions. But if Fed's draw is a cakewalk and Nadal has to fight against Murray before that, then things can change. Murray would be the toughest opponent for everyone in the QF, also for Fedull.
No top player wants to play Murray in the QF but I would love a Nadal-Murray final. I think someone from the current top 4 will lose before the semis.

This is like taking a reasonable post about Nadull and putting it into a parallel universe :bolt: I think I figured out this troll Mungo: he takes old Fedtard posts and replaces the words to make it pro-Nadull. Pretty clever SDG/Clay Death/R=FK or whomever you are :yeah:

nadal_slam_king
01-02-2011, 03:15 PM
It's interesting but irrelevant. Nadull has to avoid all of the top 5 in the draw to win, all of them can beat him easily on HC. Federer can beat all of them depending entirely on his level of play. Hopefully this AO will see someone outside the top 5 step up and make the final like Tsonga in 2008 and not like Mugdasco in 2009 :o

Federer is the only player in the top 5 who can't beat Rafa easily on hardcourts. Or Federer and Soderling can't beat Rafa easily on hardcourts. Murray and Djokovic can beat Rafa easily on hardcourts.

fast_clay
01-02-2011, 03:18 PM
We're used to Nadal having tougher draws and worse scheduling than Fedull. Nadal would beat Fed in the AO under fair conditions.

The fear :lol:

Mungo
01-02-2011, 03:18 PM
Federer is the only player in the top 5 who can't beat Rafa easily on hardcourts. Or Federer and Soderling can't beat Rafa easily on hardcourts. Murray and Djokovic can beat Rafa easily on hardcourts.

No they can't. However the current Nadal can beat Djokovic with relative ease on hardcourts in a best of 5 sets.

Mungo
01-02-2011, 03:20 PM
The fear :lol:

You didn't get my point I see. But hopefully Fedull plays Murray in QF, Djokovic in semis (on Friday) and a fresh Nadal in the final. It would be a joy to watch that final and the trophy ceremony :devil:

The Magician
01-02-2011, 03:22 PM
Federer is the only player in the top 5 who can't beat Rafa easily on hardcourts. Or Federer and Soderling can't beat Rafa easily on hardcourts. Murray and Djokovic can beat Rafa easily on hardcourts.

You're right, but Fedal will not drop low enough in rankings to face each other in a QF/SF for a couple of years at least. the point I was making was it doesn't matter who Fedal get in the QF/SF since Nadull will lose to all of them most of the time and Fed will win most of the time. Maybe Soda is the weak link on outdoor HC but I think he'll improve a lot this year at AO.

Serenidad
01-02-2011, 05:18 PM
t I think he'll improve a lot this year at AO.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/310/1z4db39.gif

:wavey:

luie
01-02-2011, 05:18 PM
Seems the mighty nadull is fearfull of a harmless pusher,,my,my who would have taught.

Certinfy
01-02-2011, 05:25 PM
Nadal's dream draw:

R1: Karlovic
R2: Del Potro
R3: Nalbandian
R4: Tsonga
QF: Murray
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

delpiero7
01-02-2011, 05:26 PM
Soderling doesn't even reach finals in tourneys played on outdoor hard, let alone win. Therefore, this won't be an issue.

luie
01-02-2011, 05:34 PM
Nadal's dream draw:

R1: Karlovic
R2: Del Potro
R3: Nalbandian
R4: Tsonga
QF: Murray
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

The only modification I might make is Davydenko replace novak.I feel davy has a better shot as novak is 6-0 against nadull in BO5 winning just 2 sets,also the heat affects him.
Feds dream draw.
R1 Nadull clone
R2 "
R3 "
R4 "
QF "
SF "
F -nadull

Bad Religion
01-02-2011, 05:38 PM
Mug era

delpiero7
01-02-2011, 05:40 PM
Nadal's dream draw:

R1: Karlovic
R2: Del Potro
R3: Nalbandian
R4: Tsonga
QF: Murray
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

:haha:

Though I suppose he would deserve a walkover in the final if he manages to get through the rest of that draw

Sonja1989
01-02-2011, 05:44 PM
Nadal's dream draw:

R1: Karlovic
R2: Del Potro
R3: Nalbandian
R4: Tsonga
QF: Murray
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

Oops, it would be terrible. :(

luie
01-02-2011, 05:53 PM
:haha:

Though I suppose he would deserve a walkover in the final if he manages to get through the rest of that draw
Going on past GS record he gets his walk over in the SF to be "fresh" for the finals.because he can't win @ 24 when fatigue no??

Roger the Dodger
01-02-2011, 05:53 PM
No they can't. However the current Nadal can beat Djokovic with relative ease on hardcourts in a best of 5 sets.

They've met on hard courts just once. If Nole is not smitten by asthma in the middle of the second set, and does not turn cyclops; who knows, he can turn the tables on Nadal.

Mug era

How often have you posted this same comment.

born_on_clay
01-02-2011, 05:57 PM
Soderling is a much better clay player than Murray. Whereas Murray is only marginally better on hard. Wouldn't be surprised if by the time the clay season is over, Soderling has a 1500+ points lead.

so true

luie
01-02-2011, 05:59 PM
They've met on hard courts just once. If Nole is not smitten by asthma in the middle of the second set, and does not turn cyclops; who knows, he can turn the tables on Nadal.



How often have you posted this same comment.
Nole is just to "weak" for nadull its always something with him.Novak is useless against nadull when it matters.:rolleyes:

delpiero7
01-02-2011, 06:21 PM
Going on past GS record he gets his walk over in the SF to be "fresh" for the finals.because he can't win @ 24 when fatigue no??

You say that as though no other player has ever received an easier than expected draw in a slam SF. Kiefer, Bjorkman, Gasquet, Safin (on grass), Monfils and Haas about 7 years past his best are all fairly generous draws at that stage of a slam. Not to mention getting to play the likes of Baghdatis, Gonzo and Soderling in their maiden slam finals (who combined achievements prior to those finals were an Olympic bronze medal and ONE Masters final between them).

The whole reason why the very elite players are given that status is because they can consistently reach the latter stages of the biggest tournaments (and most often go on to win). In that respect, Federer is unrivalled with his amazing SF streak. What separates guys like Fed and Nadal from the 2nd tier of players is that they AREN'T as consistent at reaching the later stages of the biggest tournaments, which consequently allows an underdog to sneak through the draw in their place.

Please don't try and make out as though Nadal is the only player in history that has been the beneficiary of an easier than expected draw. Because the clear truth is that other players have also done so.

ImmzB
01-02-2011, 06:38 PM
Come on Robin! :yeah:

luie
01-02-2011, 06:52 PM
You say that as though no other player has ever received an easier than expected draw in a slam SF. Kiefer, Bjorkman, Gasquet, Safin (on grass), Monfils and Haas about 7 years past his best are all fairly generous draws at that stage of a slam. Not to mention getting to play the likes of Baghdatis, Gonzo and Soderling in their maiden slam finals (who combined achievements prior to those finals were an Olympic bronze medal and ONE Masters final between them).

The whole reason why the very elite players are given that status is because they can consistently reach the latter stages of the biggest tournaments (and most often go on to win). In that respect, Federer is unrivalled with his amazing SF streak. What separates guys like Fed and Nadal from the 2nd tier of players is that they AREN'T as consistent at reaching the later stages of the biggest tournaments, which consequently allows an underdog to sneak through the draw in their place.

Please don't try and make out as though Nadal is the only player in history that has been the beneficiary of an easier than expected draw. Because the clear truth is that other players have also done so.
Both nadull & fed have a lot of easy draws thats not my point, nadull this year recieved no body melzer who best achievement before was the 3R of slam. 1st time finalist birdshit known choker & old man younzhy.Nobody on clay just feds "name" etc. etc.
My point was in response to your statement that nadull gets a walk-over in the final against fed. On paper it looks like novak would do more damage than fed against nadull in a best of 5 however it has never materialized.
Of the top players presently & some past, Novak is the only consistent #3 sometimes #2 that has never beaten nadull in a BO5 or come close ever.
So my point is for nadull the easier of the 2 on the ground is novak.......I was never talking about easy draws,, as the list that was made in fun---nadulls worst possible draw.

Shade
01-02-2011, 06:59 PM
We're used to Nadal having tougher draws and worse scheduling than Fedull.

I'll give you the worse scheduling, but tougher draws? HAHAHAHAHA. Rafa's draws have historically been cakewalks until the finals.

fast_clay
01-02-2011, 07:07 PM
Nole is just to "weak" for nadull its always something with him.Novak is useless against nadull when it matters.:rolleyes:

its true, it has to be something everytime... for the preservation of his own self confidence, then, it needs to be something everytime... novak needs to start training with scuba gear...

finishingmove
01-02-2011, 07:21 PM
novak is playing right into nadal's comfort zone by playing a 'safe' topspin game (which eventually leads to him making more errors and losing).

he needs to bring his old forehand for this matchup, flatten it out more.

Sapeod
01-02-2011, 07:27 PM
Just like last year when Del Potro went above him when he won Sydney/Auckland.

Interesting, I'm sure Soderling will overtake him.
The question is, can he keep the number 4 ranking? No, he can't. Murray will take it back after spring. Soderling has way more points to defend there. In fact, Murray has almost no points to defend there.

luie
01-02-2011, 07:33 PM
novak is playing right into nadal's comfort zone by playing a 'safe' topspin game (which eventually leads to him making more errors and losing).

he needs to bring his old forehand for this matchup, flatten it out more.
Well he needs to change something or he will end up like Roddick in more ways than one.

nadal_slam_king
01-03-2011, 03:43 AM
Nadal's dream draw:

R1: Karlovic
R2: Del Potro
R3: Nalbandian
R4: Tsonga
QF: Murray
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

R1: LOL Karlovic is a joke vs Rafa. I'd like to see that match too, energy-free match for Rafa.

R2: If I could wish for one opponent at the AO it'd be Del Potro so Rafa can take advantage of his weak tennis like Del Potro took advantage of Rafa in 09.

R3: Nalbandian, not a factor so good to boost the h2h vs him.

R4: Tsonga, Rafa leads 5-1 and has won 4 in a row on hardcourt over Tsonga so very easy match there for Rafa.

QF: Murray, the only challenge in the AO for Rafa, and its the most important matchup for Rafa's career too.

SF: Djokovic played the highest level of tennis I've ever seen from a losing slam finalist converting 75% of breakpoints and saving 77% of breakpoints, when Rafa beat him at the US Open, so definitely a high quality encounter if they meet at AO.

F: Federer, see 2009 AO Final.

Arakasi
01-03-2011, 04:41 AM
R2: If I could wish for one opponent at the AO it'd be Del Potro so Rafa can take advantage of his weak tennis like Del Potro took advantage of Rafa in 09.

Because missing two tournaments is comparable to missing the entire season :yeah:.

SF: Djokovic played the highest level of tennis I've ever seen from a losing slam finalist

:haha: I haven't this heard this one before. Is this new material?

nadal_slam_king
01-03-2011, 05:16 AM
Because missing two tournaments is comparable to missing the entire season :yeah:.



:haha: I haven't this heard this one before. Is this new material?

Rafa served 14mph slower in 2009 USO than he did in 2010 USO. That made it very easy for Del Potro to get the upper hand at the beginning of each rally. Even in the Gonzo QF you could see how soft Rafa was hitting the ball, but luckily Gonzo was double-parked. Like it or not, a 15mm torn stomach muscle is hard to play tennis with, let alone run with.

Djokovic 67% first serve%, 75% breakpoints saved, 77% breakpoints converted, moved extremely well, put pressure on Rafa's serve throughout, can't ask for anything more than that, and Rafa had only been broken once before the Final.

Jomp1
01-03-2011, 05:25 AM
I'm not really worried about Robin picking up his 4500-5000 points or so for the year, question is just where he'll pick his points, it's really that random.

Yeah, normally you'd think he would at least make the finals at Brisbane and then at least the 1/4 in Australia, but that's not the story of his career. 7th Seed last year if I recall and lost partly to heat/partly to Granollers, it was pathetic.

For all I know he could suck badly until the NA Masters before starting to pick up the big points. Of course, a lot of this is up to Murray too, but he's been pretty good in tournaments before when his ranking has been in danger.

elena_k
01-03-2011, 01:36 PM
soderling may overtake Murray but i don't see it happening for a long period, i just think Murray is a lot better than soderling. Murray did nothin after the australian open until wimbledon last year so he has chances to regain number 4 and even take over djokovic at number 3.

If anyone was to beat Nadal at the australian open then Murray would be the clear favourite. Murray performs better when he is not playing in front of his home crowd. Nadal would also want to avoid Nalbandian early on he has always struggled against him even when Nalbandian was injured.

Blackbriar
01-03-2011, 02:35 PM
Just like last year when Del Potro went above him when he won Sydney/Auckland.

Interesting, I'm sure Soderling will overtake him.
The question is, can he keep the number 4 ranking? No, he can't. Murray will take it back after spring. Soderling has way more points to defend there. In fact, Murray has almost no points to defend there.

I think he can take it, and keep it. Murray should think about rank 3, 2 and one instead of 4. He should think about winning slams and play the major roles instead of flying under the radar! Nadal & Federer won't give him their spot, if he wants it he has to come and gain it by himself.

Henry Chinaski
01-03-2011, 05:07 PM
The fear :lol:

...

ApproachShot
01-03-2011, 06:41 PM
I expect the #4 position to flip flop a bit a couple of times during the season, though by the end of the year it should be Murray's for the taking (I think Djokovic will finish at number 3 for an unprecedented 5 years in a row at the end of 2011).

emotion
01-03-2011, 08:33 PM
Soderling deserves it more, needs to stay healthy though

ZaZoo)
01-03-2011, 09:15 PM
Does Sod needs to win it all or just get to some round?

gusavo
01-04-2011, 04:20 AM
Soderling is a much better clay player than Murray. Whereas Murray is only marginally better on hard. Wouldn't be surprised if by the time the clay season is over, Soderling has a 1500+ points lead.
theyre close on clay and murray is much better on hc

Why we have to be afraid of Murray. See WTF 2010
lol what, are you stupid

oranges
01-04-2011, 04:23 AM
theyre close on clay and murray is much better on hc

I'll respond with your own quote :lol:

lol what, are you stupid

vn01
01-08-2011, 08:22 PM
Tomorrow is the big day. Soderling needs to win and will be 4th seeded at Australian Open and will have a good chance to remain #4 for a while. We'll see! :)

Sapeod
01-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Surely Murray know about this? And he still plays in Hopman Cup instead of gathering points for his ranking. Evidence that he doesn't care about his ranking, he knows he's good enough to beat anyone on hard on a good day.

Imo, Murray should play Doha instead of the Hopman Cup. The Hopman Cup is a waste of time for a top player like him.

Pipsy
01-08-2011, 08:44 PM
Imo, Murray should play Doha instead of the Hopman Cup. The Hopman Cup is a waste of time for a top player like him.

You say that and yet he played the same schedule last year and had his best Australian Open ever. I think he enjoys breaking in the season playing some semi-competitive tennis with not too much pressure riding on it. Victories against Starace, Mahut and Isner give him a good enough break into the 2011 season and I would hold off saying he should play an event like Doha until we see how it affects him come the Aussie Open...

Sapeod
01-08-2011, 08:50 PM
You say that and yet he played the same schedule last year and had his best Australian Open ever. I think he enjoys breaking in the season playing some semi-competitive tennis with not too much pressure riding on it. Victories against Starace, Mahut and Isner give him a good enough break into the 2011 season and I would hold off saying he should play an event like Doha until we see how it affects him come the Aussie Open...
Fair enough, but I don't think it wuld make a difference to his preparation if he played a tournament instead of the Hopman Cup, and you get points in tournaments, whereas you don't in the Hopman Cup. If I was him, I'd play in Chennai where I'd have a better chance to win and get more points :shrug:

fsoica
01-08-2011, 08:54 PM
so, there's a small chance that one of the top 2 may have to play against:
delpo (1st round)
kolya (4th round)
muzza (QF)
Djoker(SF)
the other top 2 player (F)

this is quite a nice draw for the one you hate, right tards ?

vn01
01-08-2011, 09:14 PM
I agree with Pipsy. What was the point for Andy in winning Doha in 2008 and 2009, when he lost at AO respectively in R1 and R4. :)

Sapeod
01-08-2011, 09:51 PM
I agree with Pipsy. What was the point for Andy in winning Doha in 2008 and 2009, when he lost at AO respectively in R1 and R4. :)
Doha had nothing to do with those losses :shrug:

decrepitude
01-08-2011, 10:28 PM
I think it probably did. They are very different conditions, and we have noticed before that Andy has problems with jet-lag flying east. I think he is better off spending longer in Australia. If not the Hopman Cup, maybe he should consider playing Brisbane (though I don't know what Brisbane's climate is like compared to Melbourne tbh)

RedHotRafa
01-08-2011, 10:37 PM
Good, Fed needs another quarterfinal upset to fifth seeded Andy Murray!

RedHotRafa
01-08-2011, 10:39 PM
Doha had nothing to do with those losses :shrug:

2009 Verdasco had the tournament of his life

Sapeod
01-08-2011, 10:41 PM
2009 Verdasco had the tournament of his life
Tsonga did too, while Murray didn't play anywhere near his best in either match.

RedHotRafa
01-08-2011, 10:43 PM
Tsonga did too, while Murray didn't play anywhere near his best in either match.

Federer better hope Murray's not in his quarter if he drops to 5

Sapeod
01-08-2011, 10:46 PM
Federer better hope Murray's not in his quarter if he drops to 5
I hope Murray gets Djokovic/Soderling/Nadal instead.

Federer is the worst opponent Murray can get in slams, though he can beat him.

RedHotRafa
01-08-2011, 10:53 PM
I hope Murray gets Djokovic/Soderling/Nadal instead.

Federer is the worst opponent Murray can get in slams, though he can beat him.

No I think Murray will step it up and finally beat Fed in a slam. He's beat him now in two big finals. I think Murray has finally shed his doubtfulness when playing Fed in big matches and I think he can well beat him now.

romismak
01-08-2011, 11:08 PM
Brisbane is really not important- about ranking- after AO will be Soderling 4th, because Murray defend 1200 - what i think he want not defend- maybe he lost in SF or QF or earlier and other side is that Soderling last year end in 1st round and I am sure he will 4th round or QF make. And about seeding it is not important if Murray is 5 or 4th because i don´t see Murray right now as better player- i consider there two right now about the same level so it is not important who from them two is 4th, who 5th. And iff Murray will be 5th seeded can be more interresting because he can earlier in QF make troubles to Nadal or Federer. And about end of the year how someone mensiotend that Andy will be higher than Soderling I am not so sure. This year would be very interresting i hope and Soderling can get higher than people expected, and Del Potro and Davydenko with their rankings can make some damage and change many tournaments, because they will faced top players earlier.

RedHotRafa
01-08-2011, 11:12 PM
Brisbane is really not important- about ranking- after AO will be Soderling 4th, because Murray defend 1200 - what i think he want not defend- maybe he lost in SF or QF or earlier and other side is that Soderling last year end in 1st round and I am sure he will 4th round or QF make. And about seeding it is not important if Murray is 5 or 4th because i don´t see Murray right now as better player- i consider there two right now about the same level so it is not important who from them two is 4th, who 5th. And iff Murray will be 5th seeded can be more interresting because he can earlier in QF make troubles to Nadal or Federer. And about end of the year how someone mensiotend that Andy will be higher than Soderling I am not so sure. This year would be very interresting i hope and Soderling can get higher than people expected, and Del Potro and Davydenko with their rankings can make some damage and change many tournaments, because they will faced top players earlier.

Toaderling will fall in the early rounds to an outsider or comeback kid like Del Po

vn01
01-09-2011, 07:04 AM
Murray has the best chance to beat Federer in a Slam at the quarterfinals stage. Andy has nothing to lose in that case and can cause huge troubles to Fed. As of Soderling, he can reach the semifinals.

samjones
01-10-2011, 02:32 AM
4th / 5th. It doesn't matter. They play in the same bracket and they play basically the same level of competition. The 4th seeding has no advantage over the 5th.

What matters is that Robin would appear to have a pretty good chance at overtaking Nole at AO. That would make him 3rd, friends - and that would get him out of Rafa's half of the draw.

oranges
01-10-2011, 02:41 AM
4th / 5th. It doesn't matter. They play in the same bracket and they play basically the same level of competition. The 4th seeding has no advantage over the 5th.

What matters is that Robin would appear to have a pretty good chance at overtaking Nole at AO. That would make him 3rd, friends - and that would get him out of Rafa's half of the draw.

No it wouldn't, 3/4 are randomly drawn against 1/2 for semi. And yes, 4th seed is a big deal, it means you don't play any of the other top 4 before semis, instead of quarters.

Silvester
01-10-2011, 02:48 AM
There's a good chance Toad also won't defend all his FO points..Sure there's a chance he makes the Finals again but I wouldn't count on it, so by then he could be 5th again

philosophicalarf
01-10-2011, 04:04 AM
After Aus, Murray defends 705 points till Wimbledon. Plenty opportunity there to improve.

Orka_n
01-10-2011, 11:59 AM
4th / 5th. It doesn't matter. They play in the same bracket and they play basically the same level of competition. The 4th seeding has no advantage over the 5th.

What matters is that Robin would appear to have a pretty good chance at overtaking Nole at AO. That would make him 3rd, friends - and that would get him out of Rafa's half of the draw.You don't know how seedings work, do you. :scratch:

Jomp1
01-10-2011, 12:28 PM
4th / 5th. It doesn't matter. They play in the same bracket and they play basically the same level of competition. The 4th seeding has no advantage over the 5th.

What matters is that Robin would appear to have a pretty good chance at overtaking Nole at AO. That would make him 3rd, friends - and that would get him out of Rafa's half of the draw.

LOL, being semi-seeded is crucial for Soderling. Just look over the past two years. The two times he has beaten Roger and Rafa he reached the final, the other quarters he lost against them. If he had been seeded #4 in those he just might had reached the semis instead of quarters, which could mean up to 1440 ranking points in one year.

vn01
01-10-2011, 06:20 PM
After Aus, Murray defends 705 points till Wimbledon. Plenty opportunity there to improve.

Murray's best chance is in Indian Wells and Miami, if he plays well. For the three Clay Masters, neither of them wins many points. Soda has chance at Roland Garros to defend some of his points, by making SF for example. I don't think that Nole will be overtaken from 3rd position after Australian Open. He didn't win many points last year from Indian Wells to Roland Garros(only 1090. One AMS title will defend almost all these points).

But who knows. Anything might happen. :)

superganon
01-10-2011, 08:13 PM
Toaderling will fall in the early rounds to an outsider or comeback kid like Del Po

sure with delpos abscence he now is nr 4 again -_- no but serously u think and inform soderling can be beaten by a cold delpotro?

also there meetings have always been tough its 50-50 but now all favors go to soderling and since paris bercy he has been able to handle the pressure perfectly. delpotro needs some matches, tournaments, in his body. i think we can first count on him in the clay court season. so dream on kid, it aint gonna happend for some time.

Nole fan
01-10-2011, 08:21 PM
I expect the #4 position to flip flop a bit a couple of times during the season, though by the end of the year it should be Murray's for the taking (I think Djokovic will finish at number 3 for an unprecedented 5 years in a row at the end of 2011).

Djokovic will end at 2. I'm positive about it.

vn01
01-10-2011, 08:52 PM
Djokovic will end at 2. I'm positive about it.

And Federer or Nadal goes 3rd. Mmmm, I don't believe it. :(

Although I want the final rankings in 2011 to be:
1.Nadal
2.Djokovic
3.Murray
4.Federer
5.Del Potro

It won't happen. :sad:

ApproachShot
01-10-2011, 09:23 PM
Djokovic will end at 2. I'm positive about it.

It's not impossible, especially seeing as he spent about half of 2009 ranked at number 2.

But...assuming Rafa has another dominant year, he will have to outperform Federer to finish the year second - which would likely entail having to have a decent WTF in addition to winning a Slam and a Masters 1000 title, or at least 2 Masters 1000 titles and a Slam final.
If Rafa cleans up everything on clay, that just reduces Nole's chances of being able to clinch the ranking. On the other hand, a good H2H against Roger this year would make point differences doubly significant in a hypothetical 'race for #2'.

So best of luck to Djokovic, but I don't envisage that it will be easy. I still think he is easily one of the best players not to have been number 1 yet - in many ways he is unlucky to be playing in this era.

Orka_n
01-10-2011, 09:29 PM
Djokovic will end at 2. I'm positive about it.Unlikely. Fed has been playing great lately and he will make a final attempt at reaching #1 again during 2011. And Nadal is too tough a customer. Djokovic will probably end #3 or #4.

luie
01-10-2011, 09:50 PM
Djokovic will end at 2. I'm positive about it.
Is fed or nadull retiring.:shrug:

Clay Death
01-10-2011, 09:53 PM
nole fan is right.

2011: #1 clay warrior ; #2 the great serbian slayer


**you can make book on it.

Orka_n
01-10-2011, 10:21 PM
nole fan is right.

2011: #1 clay warrior ; #2 the great serbian slayer

**you can make book on it.:rolleyes:

fast_clay
01-10-2011, 10:32 PM
4th / 5th. It doesn't matter. They play in the same bracket and they play basically the same level of competition. The 4th seeding has no advantage over the 5th.

What matters is that Robin would appear to have a pretty good chance at overtaking Nole at AO. That would make him 3rd, friends - and that would get him out of Rafa's half of the draw.

hey mate, there's a draw ceremony coming up soon for the ao... they a good learning experience... check the ao website out for details... :yeah:

sabina_RF_lee
01-10-2011, 11:06 PM
nole fan is right.

2011: #1 clay warrior ; #2 the great serbian slayer


**you can make book on it.

epic fail for this
2011 #1 is someone else:devil:

Nole fan
01-10-2011, 11:08 PM
epic fail for this
2011 #1 is someone else:devil:

You'll all cry when Fed fails to reach n#1 and even n#2. :sobbing:

Orka_n
01-10-2011, 11:15 PM
You'll all cry when Fed fails to reach n#1 and even n#2. :sobbing:But, why do you think that will happen? :scratch: Please give a tennis-related answer.

sabina_RF_lee
01-10-2011, 11:26 PM
You'll all cry when Fed fails to reach n#1 and even n#2. :sobbing:

no:o.....you and all nadulltards will cry instead when Roger will regain #1:cool:

Nole fan
01-10-2011, 11:37 PM
But, why do you think that will happen? :scratch: Please give a tennis-related answer.

I'm just teasing. ;)
Though that could happen completely once Djokovic raises his level as he recently seems to do. It's a mystery really. But I have a feeling that Nadal will stay unshakable at n#1 at least for one more season and Djokovic will step it up to reach n#2.

vn01
01-11-2011, 01:41 PM
Federer WON'T reach no.1 again. And then there will be tears in MTF floating down like a river. :devil:

Orka_n
01-11-2011, 01:46 PM
Federer WON'T reach no.1 again. And then there will be tears in MTF floating down like a river. :devil:I don't like when people pretend their opinions/wishes are facts.

That just makes you sound like a certain boy from Scotland.

Hurley
01-11-2011, 03:48 PM
4th / 5th. It doesn't matter. They play in the same bracket and they play basically the same level of competition. The 4th seeding has no advantage over the 5th.

What matters is that Robin would appear to have a pretty good chance at overtaking Nole at AO. That would make him 3rd, friends - and that would get him out of Rafa's half of the draw.

Most EPIC seeding nonsense I've seen in quite some time :D

Gotta love what Slams bring out.

Chiakifug
01-11-2011, 04:22 PM
When Djokovic is #4 or #5 at the end of next year all his fans will be explaining its because of his 'allergies'.

Chiakifug
01-11-2011, 04:24 PM
There's a good chance Toad also won't defend all his FO points..Sure there's a chance he makes the Finals again but I wouldn't count on it, so by then he could be 5th again

Thats what people said last year. And hes defending nothing in Rome and Madrid.

vn01
01-11-2011, 04:36 PM
I don't like when people pretend their opinions/wishes are facts.

That just makes you sound like a certain boy from Scotland.

We'll see!

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01-11-2011, 04:38 PM
Awesome for Robin! I hope he will make the best of it at the AO. :)