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Does Rafa's abu dhabi win, Rogers doha win or Rafa's delay say anything about AO?

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 05:42 PM
I dont think so but it will give Rafa the confidents that he can beat Roger in straight sets and for Roger, he starts to worry more about meeting Rafa in the final
But in total I just think that when Roger is in the final rounds of AO he will be too tired too beat Rafa (or any other top 4 player) I mean its a 2 week tournament and Roger gives everything already in the 1st rounds and that is something that Rafa did in before and he dont does that anymore (watch FO, SW19 and USO 1st round and final and then you see that Rafa does not give everything in the 1st round(s) and he improves by ich match). He and Rafa should win every match in straight sets until the SF. But they dont have to play there verry best already in the 1st Round(s). I still expect them to meet in the AO final where Rafa is gonna beat Roger in 4 sets. I predict that Rafa is gonna win the Rafa Slam and he realy has improved himself since the last 2-3 months. He has improved his second serve, his backhand and his slices allot and he is gonna improve even more until AO and that is why he is gonna win in Melbourne.

Dougie
01-01-2011, 05:44 PM
No, it doesn´t.

Topspindoctor
01-01-2011, 05:44 PM
The only thing that match indicated is that both will probably be in AO final.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 05:48 PM
The only thing that match indicated is that both will probably be in AO final.

And who do you think that will win?:confused:

careergrandslam
01-01-2011, 05:50 PM
rafa still cant return for shit and cant hit a BH.

Topspindoctor
01-01-2011, 05:53 PM
And who do you think that will win?:confused:

On slow HC with high bounce, I am favoring Nadal in 5 sets.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 05:54 PM
rafa still cant return for shit and cant hit a BH.

What do you mean:mad:

A_Skywalker
01-01-2011, 05:54 PM
rafa still cant return for shit and cant hit a BH.

So if he could he would be number 1 ;)

Topspindoctor
01-01-2011, 05:58 PM
rafa still cant return for shit and cant hit a BH.

They were both serving very well. Not much you can do when your opponent hits mostly first serves and rushes the net. Federer also had problems returning Nadal's serve, in case you didn't notice.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 05:59 PM
So if he could he would be number 1 ;)

He is number one

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 06:01 PM
On slow HC with high bounce, I am favoring Nadal in 5 sets.

I realy cant wait until AO.
Men, I never ware this exited about a slam.

moon language
01-01-2011, 06:06 PM
It says he had a couple decent practices.

Roger the Dodger
01-01-2011, 06:06 PM
I literally could not read the OP. The one paragraph, incorrect grammar, run on sentences, and seemingly random spacing combined with a joke sig and the knowledge that what I was about to read was extremely stupid and tardish made my eyes slide off the page every time I tried to look like some enchantment.

You'll do well here, at least with your fellow Nadulltards :yeah:

:rolls: Ditto! I left midway.

Nadull_tard
01-01-2011, 06:13 PM
They were both serving very well. Not much you can do when your opponent hits mostly first serves and rushes the net. Federer also had problems returning Nadal's serve, in case you didn't notice.

Is one of your's New Year's resolution to start reasonable posting?

Mungo
01-01-2011, 06:19 PM
Let's face it folks. Everytime Nadal and Fed play each other there's something at stake, only exception being those rigged exhos in Christmas. But Abu Dhabi wasn't rigged. It was their first real match after the WTF and (maybe) their last before the AO. Fed was the one with the mental edge after the WTF, even though everyone knows Nadal was exhausted and yet Fed needed 3 sets to win.
A new win over Nadal would have been a confidence boost for Fed coming into the AO, should he and Nadal meet in the final. But Nadal's win in Abu Dhabi reversed the confidence and mental aspect in his favour. Nadal gained confidence against Fed on hardcourts and Fed lost a bit of it. The mental edge will be on Nadal's side next time they play on hardcourts.
The question is: will they meet in Doha next week? Fed's draw is a joke, Nadal might lose before the final to stay fresh before the AO. If they don't meet in Doha, this Abu Dhabi match would be important in a possible AO final between them!!!

finishingmove
01-01-2011, 06:25 PM
Agreed with OP

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 06:32 PM
It says he had a couple decent practices.

a couple decent oractices
What are you thinking man.
He is not prepering for a chalenger tournament.
He is prepering to win 4 slams in a row
Something that Roger never did and something that Rafa is gonna do:mad:

Roger the Dodger
01-01-2011, 06:34 PM
I write MTFer english so everyone can understand me, I graduated in Cambridge!

Oh yeah, and I'm Dean Bernard asking you to log off and get your ass back to school for an english lesson!

Foxy
01-01-2011, 06:35 PM
Any confirmation of the surface in Abu Dhabi? Was it the AO surface? The colors looked the same though. I see on Doha's draw sheet that it would be for the first time Plexicushion. Is it true?

born_on_clay
01-01-2011, 06:36 PM
Rafa will be strong mentally in Melbourne :cool:

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 06:46 PM
Any confirmation of the surface in Abu Dhabi? Was it the AO surface? The colors looked the same though. I see on Doha's draw sheet that it would be for the first time Plexicushion. Is it true?

The surface in Ao is slower when the roof is open
When its closed then the surface speed is closer to abu dhabi but still a little bit slower
The balls are almost the same but in AO the ball bounces higher than in Abu Dhabi
Ao is the highest bouncing hard-courts in the world (well in the ATP profesional world)
So here is here are the points that help Rafa
-The court is slow (one of the slowest in the world
-The balls are hard wich helps Rafa to put more topspin on it
-The balls bounces high there bacause of the court wich helps Rafa to put more topspin ont it
-He has a special motivation
-HE IS HEALTY!

moon language
01-01-2011, 06:50 PM
a couple decent oractices
What are you thinking man.
He is not prepering for a chalenger tournament.
He is prepering to win 4 slams in a row
Something that Roger never did and something that Rafa is gonna do:mad:

Newsflash: he practices for slams.

Lukenole
01-01-2011, 07:00 PM
No, exhibition tournaments are exhibition and ATP tournaments are the only who can say something, but Nadal will win AO.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 07:04 PM
No, exhibition tournaments are exhibition and ATP tournaments are the only who can say something, but Nadal will win AO.

Great post bro
You are right
I expect/hope for a Fedal or Rafole final

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 07:05 PM
Newsflash: he practices for slams.

Allot better

star
01-01-2011, 07:06 PM
Abu Dhabi win over Fed is meaningless exho win.

iriraz
01-01-2011, 07:09 PM
Last few years we`ve seen that Abu Dhabi and Doha aren`t that important for whatever happens in Melbourne.All guys right now try to get into the best shape possible for the AO,some guys play in Doha others plays exho like Hopman Cup or Kooyong but all top guys will first meet in Melbourne.Until then nothing is relevant.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 07:10 PM
I dont know what would be easier for Rafa
Nole on his side or Murray
I will go with nole because Nole is higher ranked and I think that he has a bigger chance that Murray to reach the SF.

Roger the Dodger
01-01-2011, 07:15 PM
I dont know what would be easier for Rafa
Nole on his side or Murray
I will go with Murray because Nole is higher ranked and I think that he has a bigger chance that Murray to reach the SF.

You sound ominously close to Clay Death.

Lukenole
01-01-2011, 07:23 PM
Great post bro
You are right
I expect/hope for a Fedal or Rafole final

Thz fella. ;) But i disagree when you say that you expect a final with Fedal, i think that will be Rafa vs. Nole/Murray, with a 5 sets battle.

luie
01-01-2011, 07:24 PM
Yes it says federer will win.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 08:03 PM
You sound ominously close to Clay Death.

Ah, I tought more too red hot Rafa but clay death is also great

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 08:12 PM
Yes it says federer will win.

How in earth means that if Roger loses the final against rafa he will win AO
Look at the poll:
there is
yes, its saying that Rafa is gonna win AO
no, but Rafa will win AO
no, but Roger will win AO
no and some one ells will win AO
there is no
yes, roger is gonna win AO because that means that this lost helps Roger:o

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 08:21 PM
Thz fella. ;) But i disagree when you say that you expect a final with Fedal, i think that will be Rafa vs. Nole/Murray, with a 5 sets battle.

I see it this way
Rafa, Rogi and Nole are the only one who can come far in slams even with pressure
For example: this years US people expect Andy to come far but he did not
The same for last years US and AO
He does not like the pressure and he does not play well against the less good players
He does play good against high ranked players and that is because he does not take it serius against low ranked players
But when he is playing well I dont see why he cant beat Roger in the Semi-Final
I mean Nole and Andy love when you play aggresive against the but have some problems with Rafa and they found it hard to beat him in a slam match
But they have no problem with Roger so you are a kind of right,
If Roger is not at his very very best against Andy or Nole and they are then yes they can beat him (that does not count for Rafa because he can beat those guys easier than Roger and Nole and Andy have problems with Rafa's topspin forhands and he is unbeatable for them when he is healty and not tired (and does play close to his best)
But when Roger is at his very best then the only men that can beat him in Melbourne would be Rafa

luie
01-01-2011, 08:22 PM
How in earth means that if Roger loses the final against rafa he will win AO
Look at the poll:
there is
yes, its saying that Rafa is gonna win AO
no, but Rafa will win AO
no, but Roger will win AO
no and some one ells will win AO
there is no
yes, roger is gonna win AO because that means that this lost helps Roger:o
The result of an exho is irrelevant,they deliberately play below their standards both fed & nadull go for more than they usualy do,shot selection is for entertainment more than winning to make it close etc.
However what you cannot fake is your shots in isolation.
1.Fed Serve is good.& in sync.
2.Nadull's bh was poor compared to AO09.
3. It was against a healthy fresh nadull.
In short this result means nothing for the AO but concerning their respective games in terms of a final meeting,nadull is still the favorite but fed got a little closer imo.

Roger the Dodger
01-01-2011, 08:25 PM
How in earth means that if Roger loses the final against rafa he will win AO
Look at the poll:
there is
yes, its saying that Rafa is gonna win AO
no, but Rafa will win AO
no, but Roger will win AO
no and some one ells will win AO
there is no
yes, roger is gonna win AO because that means that this lost helps Roger:o

You can type english just fine my lady as I saw on the other thread, but if it fulfills you, carry on puking...;)

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 08:29 PM
You can type english just fine my lady as I saw on the other thread, but if it fulfills you, carry on puking...;)

Yes, sometimes I'm just too lazy too check my spelling

latso
01-01-2011, 09:18 PM
yep, it says it's gonna be 50-50

and not 70-30 as Rafatards expected

Rafa is the GOAT
01-01-2011, 09:36 PM
yep, it says it's gonna be 50-50

and not 70-30 as Rafatards expected

Oh, I went for 65 Rafa, 17.5 Roger, 17.5 the rest

_Chaz
01-01-2011, 09:38 PM
I mean (Nole) and Andy love when you play aggresive against the but have some problems with Rafa and they found it hard to beat him in a slam match
But they have no problem with Roger so you are a kind of right,

Please, if you post some "facts", look them up before if they are right :rolleyes:
Has Murray ever beaten Rafa, your god, in a slam? Yes, two times.
Has Murray ever beaten Roger in a slam? NO

So why do you write they have no problems against Federer? Murray didn't beat him in best-of-5 matches yet.
And now let's take the h2h's into this (only on HCs because we're talking about AO):
Federer vs Djokovic 11-5 (5-2 in HC slams)
Nadal vs Djokovic 5-7 (1-0 in HC slams)
Federer vs Murray 6-8 (2-0 in HC slams)
Nadal vs Murray 5-4 (1-2 in HC slams)
So I don't think Rafa has it easier against these guys. More like Andy/Nole can beat both, Rafa and Roger.
And another thing:
I just hope guys like you finally shut up with such posts after the AO, when someone other than Nadal won it. It's really annoying. At least Topspindoc had some nice posts in the livescore thread today.
GM is full of threads like "Will Rafa win the Rafa-Slam" or "How many slams will Rafa win in 2011", and they often exist more than one time. And then all these double posts all the time... I mean, we have that "super analyzis AO thread" there you can post everything you want about the AO. There's no need to open such threads.

Orka_n
01-01-2011, 09:47 PM
Abu Dhabi fifth slam. Bamos. :rocker2:

Matt01
01-01-2011, 11:09 PM
Yes it says federer will win.


:retard:

Clay Death
01-01-2011, 11:15 PM
as a matter of fact it does:

it means he is healthy and reasonably fit. i am somewhat pleased with his form this early in the season. the best is yet to come.

just let him get 5 matches under his belt at Oz.

Nobody's Perfecc
01-01-2011, 11:35 PM
Even Nadal said (in his broken English): The outcome of Abu Dhabi final will have no relevance for the 2011 season.

I just hope he keeps up his level and fitness.

Jaz
01-02-2011, 12:21 AM
It means nothing, especially as neither player played really well and it was really sloppy by both.

I'd be more worried about Nadal against Murray or another pusher.

Mungo
01-02-2011, 12:27 AM
It means nothing, especially as neither player played really well and it was really sloppy by both.

I'd be more worried about Nadal against Murray or another pusher.

Both played really well. Fed only played poorly in the 2nd half of the 1st tie-break. It was a high quality match. Nadal eats pushers for breakfast, it's Fed the one to have problems against pushers in a bad day.
I'm sure that Nadal will reach at least the semifinals but I'm not so sure that Federer will do it. He's prone to early upsets in Slams as we saw last year.

paseo
01-02-2011, 01:44 AM
Both played really well. Fed only played poorly in the 2nd half of the 1st tie-break. It was a high quality match. Nadal eats pushers for breakfast, it's Fed the one to have problems against pushers in a bad day.
I'm sure that Nadal will reach at least the semifinals but I'm not so sure that Federer will do it. He's prone to early upsets in Slams as we saw last year.

QF is early?

nadal_slam_king
01-02-2011, 02:29 AM
Federer led 3-0 in a tie-break and then lost composure. Looks like the same syndrome as most his GS Final losses. ANd on other big points Federer couldn't attack enough, and that's in part due to Rafa putting a lot of work on the 2nd serve, a 2011 improvement maybe.

Ozdog
01-02-2011, 06:21 AM
Why do i feel if Federer had won this match, those in here extolling the importance of it would be dismissing it for exactly what it was, an exo.

Shade
01-02-2011, 06:49 AM
Nah, its importance is what it is regardless of who wins. You could tell that they weren't taking it too seriously and were definitely dicking around at parts. It's an exo, and it's there to be fun. Were they competitive about it? Yeah. But I don't think you can use the results or their play as a barometer for how they'll implement their games at the AO.

Also, where's the option for, "Can't tell who's going to win until the AO actually starts"?

rafa_maniac
01-02-2011, 07:56 AM
As far as I'm concerned, no match they play these days is going to say anything about what happens the next time they play, least of all an exho. They know each other so well, have met so many times over 6-7 years and have had numerous important victories over the other that the only thing that matters now is who is slightly better on the day.

Zagor
01-02-2011, 08:23 AM
Well it's an exo,you have to take that into account so I doubt either of them(Fed/Nadal)played with as much as intensity and with tactics they would employ in an official match.

However IMO even tournaments leading into slams that are not exos are still not as good indicator who will win that slam as most people tend to think,best of five is just a whole different ballgame.

For example if you look at last 3 USOs,each one was one by the player who didn't win any of Montreal(or Toronto)/Cinncinati,heck in 2008 Fed was yet to reach a HC final that year going into USO and still won it.

Also remember Nadal losing to Monfils(his only ever loss to him)in Doha in 2009 and then playing terrific at AO and winning it for the 1st time.

What I'm saying is Nadal/Federer could play like crap in Abu Dhabi and Doha and I'd still put them as main favourites(with Nadal being the 1st favourite for this AO)simply because they know how to get the job done at slams.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-02-2011, 09:09 AM
as a matter of fact it does:

it means he is healthy and reasonably fit. i am somewhat pleased with his form this early in the season. the best is yet to come.

just let him get 5 matches under his belt at Oz.

What do you mean with 5 matches at the OZ

Rafa is the GOAT
01-02-2011, 09:19 AM
QF is early?

Yes if you are the world number 1 or inside the top four.
The world number 1 is always the favourite and should win a slam.
And that is something that Rafa is gonna do in melbourne.
Proove why he is the world number 1 and win the "Rafa Slam"

Chartreuse
01-02-2011, 12:47 PM
Federer was up 3-0 in the first set TB and then Rafa came back. Like we have seen many times. Song remains the same.

Priam
01-02-2011, 03:09 PM
About as much as Roddick beating Federer in Kooyong a few years ago.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-02-2011, 06:17 PM
I think that Robin Soderling will go out the tournament already in the 4rth round
The same for Tomas Berdych and David Ferrer
I see Roddick making the Quarters
Djokovic the SF
Murray, no idea. If he is playing good I would say SF but if he plays bad he can go already out in the 3rd round. I predict that he makes QF-SF
Roger the Final loosing to Rafa
Rafa winning the "Rafa Slam"

Serenidad
01-02-2011, 06:19 PM
No it didn't say anything. We all know Nadal will win a slam final over Fred.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-02-2011, 07:05 PM
I saw some improvements in Rafa's game
He plays his backhand deeper and a little bit harder
His forehand has a little more topspin than the last 3-4 months and is also deeper
He hits his serve now with more confidence and he hit his slices lower
His movements on the court are better
I saw this improvements in Rafa's game and he still gonna improve this points until AO

luie
01-02-2011, 07:14 PM
I saw some improvements in Rafa's game
He plays his backhand deeper and a little bit harder
His forehand has a little more topspin than the last 3-4 months and is also deeper
He hits his serve now with more confidence and he hit his slices lower
His movements on the court are better
I saw this improvements in Rafa's game and he still gonna improve this points until AO
:rolleyes: He made all these improvements & it was an exho,, Ok.
Even if you are right fed kept it close against a fresh n' healthy rafa,, what you think will happen in a GS final when nadull isnt as fresh fed should have the advantage.:p
You see what you want too see from an exho.

Rafa is the GOAT
01-02-2011, 07:23 PM
:rolleyes: He made all these improvements & it was an exho,, Ok.
Even if you are right fed kept it close against a fresh n' healthy rafa,, what you think will happen in a GS final when nadull isnt as fresh fed should have the advantage.:p
You see what you want too see from an exho.

This ware little improvements
I did not mean that he had becomed Super Man or something like that
I saw wath he had worked on and he had worked on those points

Rafa is the GOAT
01-09-2011, 11:54 AM
Changed the title of the tread
I think that none of those points say anything about AO
-1 Rafa's abu dhabi win is already almost fergoten. It was a good training for the AO but it does not say anything
-2 Rogers doha win says also noting about AO. Doo you remember US. When Roger won Cincinati everybody was talking about that he will win USO, DId he? NO
-3 Rafa illness will also have no effect on AO, HE is gonna leave doha sunday night and he will start training on Monday, he also said that he will be able to train at 100% and that he will have enough time to preper for AO

Conclussion: Nothing is changed, Rafa is still the favourite and is gonna win AO even if he is gonna have a realy hard draw. Roger is gonna make the final but then lose to Rafa
PS: do you know how to add a new subject to the poll?

The Magician
01-09-2011, 02:23 PM
Trying to rescue this clown thread by equivocating an actual ATP event with an exo :haha: