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What's more difficult to win: WTF or Olympic singles gold medal ?

fsoica
01-01-2011, 12:27 PM
Let's forget about the fact that the Olympics is every 4 years...
As far as I know, the winner needs to beat 5 guys en route to the title in both events.
The single difference is that the final is best of 5 in the Olympics, not anymore since 3 years ago in WTF.

What's your opinion: you think it's more difficult to win a WTF champion title or an Olympic Gold in tennis singles ?

Lleyton_
01-01-2011, 12:32 PM
Federer vs Nadal :zzz:

The answer is WTF but moronic thread.

fsoica
01-01-2011, 12:34 PM
Federer vs Nadal :zzz:

The answer is WTF but moronic thread.

more and more psychics on MTF :)

do u read only minds or the future also ?
If so, could you enlighten us and share with the morons here who will win AO2011 ?

fsoica
01-01-2011, 12:38 PM
If you like Federer more you are gonna say WTF

If you like Nadal more you are gonna say Olympics

I do love Federer, BUT, I'm here also because (you beat me with the deletion, but you will get it):

1. I love Voo's statistics
2. I find nice article references here
3. I find live stream links
4. I always find the rankings updated before ATP website
5. I love to mock Start da Game :devil:

Dougie
01-01-2011, 12:42 PM
If you like Federer more you are gonna say WTF

If you like Nadal more you are gonna say Olympics

Not everything has to be about Federer and Nadal.

born_on_clay
01-01-2011, 12:43 PM
Olympics
Played once in 4 years

Lleyton_
01-01-2011, 12:45 PM
Olympics
Played once in 4 years

Never in doubt.

scoobs
01-01-2011, 12:51 PM
The two events cannot remotely be compared. Different field size, different field strength, different format, different frequency of competition. It's ridiculous to even try and quantify difficulty.

nobama
01-01-2011, 01:04 PM
Not everything has to be about Federer and Nadal.No, but was there any other reason this thread was started?

Snowwy
01-01-2011, 04:06 PM
I say Olympics, you have to peak at the right time of the year on the right surface, which changes every time, once in four years.

The competition at the WTF is more difficult, but if you are a top player you will have more chances.

gusavo
01-01-2011, 04:21 PM
The two events cannot remotely be compared. Different field size, different field strength, different format, different frequency of competition. It's ridiculous to even try and quantify difficulty.
huh, how would that make them uncomparable?

The Magician
01-01-2011, 05:55 PM
It's not really important. That's like asking which would be harder for a tennis player to win: Wimbledon or the PGA championship? the fact is tennis has no business being in the Olympics. Olympics may be or may not be harder to win because so many factors have to fall into place (kind of like Davis Cup, another event Nadulltards use incorrectly) but it in no way reflect on anything or anyone beyond the luck involved. Unless you think Nicholas Massu is one of the top players of the decade :o

The Magician
01-01-2011, 06:17 PM
The top players pimp out the events they get paid to play in at the behest of the ATP? :eek: Why don't we ask them next what they think about Dubai, maybe that should be the next grand slam. Oh and while your at it, ask them what they think about whatever crappy event/exo they are playing at, you'll soon realize every event in the calendar is the most important event they've ever played.

As usual, Fed is the closest one to the truth and the only one who can sort of speak his mind because of the star power he has. He acknowledges it has no historical importance, it's not part of the tour, and as of now it is in need of massive promotion. Of course he says all this very diplomatically, but don't let that stop the Nadulltards :wavey:

Lleyton_
01-01-2011, 06:20 PM
This Mtweezi is good.
Don't you have an opinion? You keep posting articles to stir up shit for no reason and you're in every Fedal thread fueling the fire.

Your idol on WTF [also whining about the court]:
“To me this is the most difficult tournament of the year. The surface does not help me at all to play at my best, nor my rivals of course,”“I don't understand why the (event) has to be indoors when you qualify on an outdoor surface.


“My goal remains for me that the [Barclays ATP World Tour Finals] is probably the last big tournament that I didn't win,” he said. “That's true it’s the most difficult title for me to win because we play it indoors, and when indoor, indoor very quick surface, so gonna be always very difficult if we don't change that. But at the same time is a challenge for me to keep improving to have the chance to play well there and to have the chance to win, so that's what I’m gonna try this year.

Lleyton_
01-01-2011, 06:43 PM
Poor guy. Hope you will find an identity for yourself.

MTwEeZi
01-01-2011, 06:47 PM
Poor guy. Hope you will find an identity for yourself.

I am a man of many hats :hatoff::hatoff::hatoff::hatoff:

The Magician
01-01-2011, 06:51 PM
Nadal can speak his mind because of the star power he has. He acknowledges it is a horrible surface for him, that he historically has his worst part of the season during this time, and that he has won every other major title in tennis. Of course he says all this very diplomatically, but don't let that stop the Fedtards

This makes Nadull look bad and the WTF look good, not the other way around :o Btw, I don't care what Fedal have to say, just like I don't care what former pros have to say about the current game. They are far from objective, and I usually don't look towards pro-athletes for opinions, even about sports. WTF is by far more important, anyone with a brain already knows this. Olympics are like Laureus awards, sure it's hard to win but it has nothing to do with tennis greatness :wavey:

Snowwy
01-01-2011, 06:56 PM
This makes Nadull look bad and the WTF look good, not the other way around :o Btw, I don't care what Fedal have to say, just like I don't care what former pros have to say about the current game. They are far from objective, and I usually don't look towards pro-athletes for opinions, even about sports. WTF is by far more important, anyone with a brain already knows this. Olympics are like Laureus awards, sure it's hard to win but it has nothing to do with tennis greatness :wavey:

So you admit that it is harder to win the Olympics rather than the WTF, cuz that is the point of this thread, not sure if you have read the topic?

loopback
01-01-2011, 07:03 PM
I don't know. I've never played WTF or Olympic singles.

The Magician
01-01-2011, 07:04 PM
So you admit that it is harder to win the Olympics rather than the WTF, cuz that is the point of this thread, not sure if you have read the topic?

I already stated the question is meaningless. I don't know if it's harder to win, it may be, but it has nothing to do with tennis. I bet it would be harder for Federer to win the spelling bee than Wimbledon, but that doesn't mean I have an opinion on it :wavey:

Lleyton_
01-01-2011, 07:11 PM
I say Olympics, you have to peak at the right time of the year on the right surface, which changes every time, once in four years.

The competition at the WTF is more difficult, but if you are a top player you will have more chances.

Is that what you understand from 'more difficult to win'? So by your logic grand slam is the easiest to win.

Lukenole
01-01-2011, 07:27 PM
WTF is more individual and OSGM is more like Davis Cup, in spite of only being played individually, it's a prize for the country and not only for the player who won it. So, WTF.

iriraz
01-01-2011, 07:37 PM
There are sports who live for the Olympics and others are there just to be there.
We`ve seen in the past where top players skipped the Olympics just to play Washington or other smaller event just to prepare better for US Open.
Tennis,soccer or boxing for example are part of the olympics but they aren`t that big of a deal.In other sports athletes only live for the Olympics like swimming,athletics,rowing etc.When was the last time for example people heard anything important regarding Michael Phelps and his swimming career?
We hear about tennis,soccer players like 10-11 months a year but others athletes are only relevant once in 4 years

swisht4u
01-01-2011, 07:44 PM
Slams
WTF
Masters
Olympics

Points for the events are also in that order.

Corey Feldman
01-01-2011, 08:34 PM
The Masters

ask Nadal and his pimp Kafelnikov

Nadull_tard
01-01-2011, 10:04 PM
Masters 1000 on clay, to be more precise. While your biggest treat is going under for surgery.

viruzzz
01-01-2011, 10:58 PM
one word:

Massu

Chartreuse
01-01-2011, 11:07 PM
WTF champion.

Sham Kay
01-02-2011, 01:15 AM
Ignoring who has won both in the past, ignoring everyone else in this thread, ignoring importance suggested by players/fans, I'd say WTF would be more difficult to win. First you need to get into the top 8.. not too many people can achieve this feat by the end of the year, and then even when you do (or if you decide to ignore this "minor" detail), you have to play and win some of the toughest matches against the proven toughest competitors in the world, all wanting to win the last event of the year even if it means ripping you to shreds in the process.

The Olympics on the other hand reminds me of a 500 event.. for some reason the top players usually don't play so well there, with very surprising gold medal winners in the past. Of course Rafa won it last time, showing how motivated and consistently mentally strong he is in any tournament he plays (displayed also today in the exhibition match with Fed) which is credit to him really. In terms of toughness though, with lots of early round home country wild card and low ranked players for the better players to pick through, it cannot be compared to how tough it is to win WTF. Complete mismatch.

Diprosalic
01-02-2011, 01:24 AM
the od said we should forget about the fact that olympia is only every 4 year. in this scenario winning the wtf is way more difficult.

1. you have to be in the top 8 to even have a chance to enter
2. you play against the best 8 and not just the best of other countries (country x's no. 8 player maybe better than country y's player no.1, but player y can enter while player x cannot.)

paseo
01-02-2011, 02:01 AM
What are the requirements for a player to play in the olympic?

Sham Kay
01-02-2011, 02:25 AM
This is how it was for Beijing:

Direct qualifications, based on the recognised World Ranking of 9 June 2008: 48 players
Tripartite Commission Invitation places: 2
Final qualification places (ITF Places): 14
Total players: 64

Kolya
01-02-2011, 02:38 AM
WTF is a whole year thing. 8 spots to qualify. Then you have to beat 5 or 4 top players to win the whole thing.

But Olympics is about peaking for the right time.

I don't think one is more difficult than the other, they are both difficult in their own way.

paseo
01-02-2011, 08:34 AM
This is how it was for Beijing:

Direct qualifications, based on the recognised World Ranking of 9 June 2008: 48 players
Tripartite Commission Invitation places: 2
Final qualification places (ITF Places): 14
Total players: 64

Let's compare them.

Entry requirements : WTF > Olympic
See the requirements for olympic posted by Shambritfan. There's no contest here, it's much tougher to qualify for the WTF.

Draw : WTF > Olympic
There's no easy/lucky draw at the WTF. While you can get lucky at the olympic.

Opportunity to play : Olympic > WTF.
Once every 4 years. So you only get 3-4 chances max to play at the olympic in your whole career.

I guess the WTF is harder to win. There is a certain prestige about winning the olympic gold medal, though. But, the OP is asking which one is more difficult to win, so the WTF it is.

Boris Franz Ecker
01-02-2011, 09:48 AM
WTF is the hardest tournament to win, because an easy draw is impossible. Unthinkable that guys like Gaudio or Massu can win it.

Allez
01-02-2011, 03:31 PM
Amazing that only Rogi fans (aside from myself) have had a violent reaction to this thread. There's your answer...

Snowwy
01-02-2011, 03:34 PM
Let's compare them.

Entry requirements : WTF > Olympic
See the requirements for olympic posted by Shambritfan. There's no contest here, it's much tougher to qualify for the WTF.

Draw : WTF > Olympic
There's no easy/lucky draw at the WTF. While you can get lucky at the olympic.

Opportunity to play : Olympic > WTF.
Once every 4 years. So you only get 3-4 chances max to play at the olympic in your whole career.

I guess the WTF is harder to win. There is a certain prestige about winning the olympic gold medal, though. But, the OP is asking which one is more difficult to win, so the WTF it is.

Although I posted differently earlier, I actually agree with this post.

Boris Franz Ecker
01-02-2011, 03:59 PM
Gaudio has played in the YEC...

But could not win it. Although good result

Roger the Dodger
01-02-2011, 04:17 PM
Let's compare them.

Entry requirements : WTF > Olympic
See the requirements for olympic posted by Shambritfan. There's no contest here, it's much tougher to qualify for the WTF.

Draw : WTF > Olympic
There's no easy/lucky draw at the WTF. While you can get lucky at the olympic.

Opportunity to play : Olympic > WTF.
Once every 4 years. So you only get 3-4 chances max to play at the olympic in your whole career.

I guess the WTF is harder to win. There is a certain prestige about winning the olympic gold medal, though. But, the OP is asking which one is more difficult to win, so the WTF it is.

True. Olympic is about the prestige of winning something coveted by athletes worldwide. It kind of ratifies your status as an athlete. Also, the once in 4 year thingy gives the event some sort of added value.

Amazing that only Rogi fans (aside from myself) have had a violent reaction to this thread. There's your answer...

I actually think Nadal should be very proud of his achievements as an athlete. Olympic or otherwise, he has far surpassed everyone's expectations, and his own as well.

That said, he's still not a great tennis player. A robust athlete who knows how to wield a club in his hands and thump it on the ball, yes.

FedFan
01-02-2011, 04:22 PM
WTF of course, because only the best of the best take part.

Therefore it is impossible to profit from an easy draw.

Lleyton_
01-02-2011, 04:27 PM
Amazing that only Rogi fans (aside from myself) have had a violent reaction to this thread. There's your answer...

Liar.

Allez
01-02-2011, 04:57 PM
Liar.

Liar

Lleyton_
01-02-2011, 05:14 PM
Liar

Pants on fire.

Allez
01-02-2011, 05:23 PM
Pants on fire.
Ah I wanted to be the one to say that. Oh well :p

straitup
01-02-2011, 05:52 PM
Definitely WTF. The one advantage that you would see with the Olympics being tougher is the stringent requirements for getting in...makes a country like Spain tough, but then you'll get players from other teams who are essentially a walk in the park (some Chinese guys of course in 08, for example). WTF, you won't run into that

MTwEeZi
01-03-2011, 02:24 AM
Let's compare them.

Entry requirements : WTF > Olympic
See the requirements for olympic posted by Shambritfan. There's no contest here, it's much tougher to qualify for the WTF.

Draw : WTF > Olympic
There's no easy/lucky draw at the WTF. While you can get lucky at the olympic.

Opportunity to play : Olympic > WTF.
Once every 4 years. So you only get 3-4 chances max to play at the olympic in your whole career.

I guess the WTF is harder to win. There is a certain prestige about winning the olympic gold medal, though. But, the OP is asking which one is more difficult to win, so the WTF it is.

you forgot the part where someone can lose 2 matches and win the WTF

Lleyton_
01-03-2011, 08:54 AM
Let it go :haha:

MTwEeZi
01-03-2011, 01:34 PM
Let it go :haha:

Let my nuts go