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Yevgeny Kafelnikov: "Rafa the best thing that happened to men's tennis"

Just like heaven
12-29-2010, 07:24 PM
I asked former world nº1 YevgenyKafelnikov: «are you a Federist or Nadalian?» «Nadalian; Rafa the best thing that happened to men's tennis»

http://twitter.com/#!/MiguelSeabra/status/21015773131

«Nadal much more charismatic than Federer, brings much more energy to the public & will win more Slams than Federer»

http://twitter.com/#!/MiguelSeabra/status/21015903654

Luinir
12-29-2010, 07:30 PM
Kafelnikov is a tennis expert. I loved him always. He knows tennis better than Rios, for sure.

SetSampras
12-29-2010, 07:34 PM
He speaks the truth. You realize without Nadal, Fed would have made an absolute fucking joke of the sport of tennis considering the ineptness of the rest of the field for the last 5 years. Without Nadal, Fed probably would have gotten 4 calendar slams already with possibly 23-24 slams and counting.

Nadal kept tennis alive IMO

careergrandslam
12-29-2010, 07:42 PM
He speaks the truth. You realize without Nadal, Fed would have made an absolute fucking joke of the sport of tennis considering the ineptness of the rest of the field for the last 5 years. Without Nadal, Fed probably would have gotten 4 calendar slams already with possibly 23-24 slams and counting.

Nadal kept tennis alive IMO

i totally agree.

without rafa, tennis would be only about federer and all the past greats would be treated like dirt.

rafa saved tennis, he stood up to the bully.

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 07:44 PM
Interviewed... :haha:

Kafelnikov loves the vodka, we all know that. He was probably hammered as hell.

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 07:46 PM
He speaks the truth. You realize without Nadal, Fed would have made an absolute fucking joke of the sport of tennis considering the ineptness of the rest of the field for the last 5 years. Without Nadal, Fed probably would have gotten 4 calendar slams already with possibly 23-24 slams and counting.

Nadal kept tennis alive IMO

If anything, he killed tennis with the antics, moonballing and incessant timeouts.

You only say that because you seem interested in Frauderer not winning slams. Seems like rancour to me.

MariaV
12-29-2010, 07:52 PM
Evgeny :worship: :bowdown:

SetSampras
12-29-2010, 07:52 PM
If anything, he killed tennis with the antics, moonballing and incessant timeouts.

You only say that because you seem interested in Frauderer not winning slams. Seems like rancour to me.

Nadal is the only player who consistently stood up to Fed. And he was doing it BEFORE he reached his apex as an all surface player. Tell me who else was going to stand up to Fed and stop him from winning 25-30 slams by this point?


Nadal didn't kill tennis.. He stopped Fed from making a mockery of the sport, and kept people's interest. Who the hell was going to watch slams or masters or YEC events when you know the same guy was going to win every slam for 5-6 years straight if not for Nadal.


Was One dimensional Darkwing Duckman Roddick, Hewitt, Blake, Gonzales, Baghdatis, Ljubicic, Crippled 3000 year old Dinosaur Agassi, Ladiesman Safin who showed up once ever half a decade to play tennis, Fatboy Nalbandian, going to stop Roger from obliterating every record tennis had? ROFL

latso
12-29-2010, 07:55 PM
they should have asked him before 1pm

this is vodka talking lol

whatta mug

abraxas21
12-29-2010, 07:56 PM
kafelnikov should strictly stick to vodka and poker at this point of his life.

Pirata.
12-29-2010, 08:05 PM
Federist or Nadalian

:retard:

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 08:06 PM
Nadal is the only player who consistently stood up to Fed. And he was doing it BEFORE he reached his apex as an all surface player. Tell me who else was going to stand up to Fed and stop him from winning 25-30 slams by this point?


Nadal didn't kill tennis.. He stopped Fed from making a mockery of the sport, and kept people's interest. Who the hell was going to watch slams or masters or YEC events when you know the same guy was going to win every slam for 5-6 years straight if not for Nadal.


Was One dimensional Darkwing Duckman Roddick, Hewitt, Blake, Gonzales, Baghdatis, Ljubicic, Crippled 3000 year old Dinosaur Agassi, Ladiesman Safin who showed up once ever half a decade to play tennis, Fatboy Nalbandian, going to stop Roger from obliterating every record tennis had? ROFL

Wow, that's rancour talking alright.

Sorry mate, you're just talking out of being upset that Frauderer surpassed some of Sampras' records. Why so? I'm a big Sampras fan but what you're saying is just completely wrong. Everybody with a little tennis sense knows Sampras records mean more because he played in a much stronger era. You don't need to feed this bitter feeling towards Frauderer because of that.

Your reasoning is the same reasoning developed by a person who cuts his leg to heal an infected nail. Nadull saved tennis for you because you couldn't take Frauderer beating Sampras' achievements (on paper at least).

I agree that Frauderer's dominance in the mid 2000s was farcical but so is saying Nadull "saved tennis".

Sorry if I unintentionally said something you may consider "aggressive".

misty1
12-29-2010, 08:13 PM
i respectfully disagree

Puschkin
12-29-2010, 08:15 PM
I was a huge fan of Evgenij, but this is pure :bs:

Allez
12-29-2010, 08:18 PM
That is really fat coming from Yevgeny :rolleyes:

SetSampras
12-29-2010, 08:19 PM
When talking in terms of greatness, (which is measured STRICTLY by numbers) Fed is right up there with Laver or Rosewall or Gonzales in terms of longevity and dominance. But without Nadal, Fed would have surpassed Pete, Pancho, Laver, Rosewall, Tilden 2-3 years ago EASILY and would be hands down considered the GOAT (by the numbers) due to the ineptness of the rest of the field from grabbing their piece of the pie. No denying that. But Rafa, kept that from happenning by getting his piece of the pie and being the only player man enough to stop Fed from making a joke of the sport.

No not just for me.. Nadal saved for many people who want to see other greats develop and route for their favorite player. Sure you could have rooted for Roddick for Safin or Nalbandian for instance, these guys just didn't have the goods to take their piece of the pie. Roddick is 2-20 vs. Fed.. You could give Roddick a 100 CHANCES at a crack at Fed, and he would have failed. Nadal SUCCEEDED and has become a great all time player himself, someday possibly becoming the GOAT (by the numbers if he stays healthy for the next 4 years) No one else was going to do that. There would be no rivalries or any kind of wonder in tennis if not for Nadal. It would have been the Fed show since 2003-current. Maybe Djokovic grabbing an extra slam or two that would have been it.

There is so much more to tennis then talent. It takes Focus, Fitness, health, determination, etc. Fed had all these things. No one else other then Nadal did. Im glad Nadal made it a horserace and made tennis watchable. No one else was capable or IS capable of making tennis a horse race currently

Blackbriar
12-29-2010, 08:21 PM
Putin is the best thing that happened to Russia.

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 08:23 PM
When talking in terms of greatness, (which is measured STRICTLY by numbers) Fed is right up there with Laver or Rosewall or Gonzales in terms of longevity and dominance. But without Nadal, Fed would have surpassed Pete, Pancho, Laver, Rosewall, Tilden 2-3 years ago EASILY and would be hands down considered the GOAT (by the numbers) due to the ineptness of the rest of the field from grabbing their piece of the pie. No denying that. But Rafa, kept that from happenning by getting his piece of the pie and being the only player man enough to stop Fed from making a joke of the sport.

No not just for me.. Nadal saved for many people who want to see other greats develop and route for their favorite player. Sure you could have rooted for Roddick for Safin or Nalbandian for instance, these guys just didn't have the goods to take their piece of the pie. Roddick is 2-20 vs. Fed.. You could give Roddick a 100 CHANCES at a crack at Fed, and he would have failed. Nadal SUCCEEDED and has become a great all time player himself, someday possibly becoming the GOAT (by the numbers if he stays healthy for the next 4 years) No one else was going to do that. There would be no rivalries or any kind of wonder in tennis if not for Nadal. It would have been the Fed show since 2003-current. Maybe Djokovic grabbing an extra slam or two that would have been it.

There is so much more to tennis then talent. It takes Focus, Fitness, health, determination, etc. Fed had all these things. No one else other then Nadal did.

Greatness isn't strictly measured by numbers. Sorry. Maybe for the press or the casual fan, but not for the real connoisseurs.

Allez
12-29-2010, 08:26 PM
Greatness isn't strictly measured by numbers. Sorry. Maybe for the press or the casual fan, but not for the real connoisseurs.

What is greatness monsieur connoisseur :shrug:

MrChopin
12-29-2010, 08:28 PM
Nadal is the only player who consistently stood up to Fed. And he was doing it BEFORE he reached his apex as an all surface player. Tell me who else was going to stand up to Fed and stop him from winning 25-30 slams by this point?

You make it sound like Nadal was a 5-6 year old wrestling with his own growth and means of expression as he stands up to the bully in the school playground. Nadal was conditioned from a young age to play tennis, hour after hour. Courts have been slowed, balls heavied, more advanced strings, and Federer againg, losing more, other figures leaving and entering. Don't turn something as dynamic as tennis results into something as cliched and linear as a final battle scene between two sword wielding masters in a Hollywood blockbuster about an age old war.

careergrandslam
12-29-2010, 08:42 PM
You make it sound like Nadal was a 5-6 year old wrestling with his own growth and means of expression as he stands up to the bully in the school playground. Nadal was conditioned from a young age to play tennis, hour after hour. Courts have been slowed, balls heavied, more advanced strings, and Federer againg, losing more, other figures leaving and entering. Don't turn something as dynamic as tennis results into something as cliched and linear as a final battle scene between two sword wielding masters in a Hollywood blockbuster about an age old war.

nadal saved tennis.
rafa is the great saviour of this great sport.

MrChopin
12-29-2010, 08:44 PM
nadal saved tennis.
rafa is the great saviour of this great sport.

You're an idiot.

Allez
12-29-2010, 08:45 PM
They both saved tennis. Everyone happy now ?

madmax
12-29-2010, 09:03 PM
C'mon Zhenya, I may seriously reconsider rocking your avy any longer after this (probably) drunk tirade...get it together man

Kiedis
12-29-2010, 09:17 PM
C'mon Zhenya, I may seriously reconsider rocking your avy

you would do him a great favor

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 09:43 PM
Kafelnikov has no idea what he's talking about.

Nadull is not the best thing to happen to tennis, Federer is.
Nadull has destroyed tennis with his cheating, his monnballing, his disgusting style of play and antics (picking his arse). Also, he is the most boring player to watch on the entire tour. Nothing about Nadull is good for tennis.

Federer, on the other hand is the exact reverse, and is GREAT for tennis. Beauty, amazing shotmaking, a fluid artistic game, his trokes are pure joy to watch and he's an amazing player to top it off. Federer is by far the best thing to happen to tennis ever.

Echoes
12-29-2010, 10:05 PM
When talking in terms of greatness, (which is measured STRICTLY by numbers) Fed is right up there with Laver or Rosewall or Gonzales in terms of longevity and dominance.

Strictly measured by numbers, he's not really.

199 > 66


Putin is the best thing that happened to Russia.

True ! (serious reply to a probably ironical comment)


C'mon Zhenya, I may seriously reconsider rocking your avy any longer after this (probably) drunk tirade...get it together man

:lol: That's just talk. You can be a great champion and a poor analyst.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 10:46 PM
Kafelnikov has no idea what he's talking about.

Nadull is not the best thing to happen to tennis, Federer is.
Nadull has destroyed tennis with his cheating, his monnballing, his disgusting style of play and antics (picking his arse). Also, he is the most boring player to watch on the entire tour. Nothing about Nadull is good for tennis.

Federer, on the other hand is the exact reverse, and is GREAT for tennis. Beauty, amazing shotmaking, a fluid artistic game, his trokes are pure joy to watch and he's an amazing player to top it off. Federer is by far the best thing to happen to tennis ever.

Sorry, but opinion of former #1 and multi GS champ >>> opinion of an angry kid posting on forums.

fast_clay
12-29-2010, 10:56 PM
it was getting a joke before nadal though... i dont get it... some swiss, prone to mental lapses and childish outbursts just suddenly, at the flick of a switch, decides that he'll jedi mind trick the field into truly believing that he is the greatest of all time...?

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 10:56 PM
Kafelnikov is wrong.

Nadull is not the best thing to happen to tennis. Not by a long shot.

luie
12-29-2010, 11:01 PM
When talking in terms of greatness, (which is measured STRICTLY by numbers) Fed is right up there with Laver or Rosewall or Gonzales in terms of longevity and dominance. But without Nadal, Fed would have surpassed Pete, Pancho, Laver, Rosewall, Tilden 2-3 years ago EASILY and would be hands down considered the GOAT (by the numbers) due to the ineptness of the rest of the field from grabbing their piece of the pie. No denying that. But Rafa, kept that from happenning by getting his piece of the pie and being the only player man enough to stop Fed from making a joke of the sport.

No not just for me.. Nadal saved for many people who want to see other greats develop and route for their favorite player. Sure you could have rooted for Roddick for Safin or Nalbandian for instance, these guys just didn't have the goods to take their piece of the pie. Roddick is 2-20 vs. Fed.. You could give Roddick a 100 CHANCES at a crack at Fed, and he would have failed. Nadal SUCCEEDED and has become a great all time player himself, someday possibly becoming the GOAT (by the numbers if he stays healthy for the next 4 years) No one else was going to do that. There would be no rivalries or any kind of wonder in tennis if not for Nadal. It would have been the Fed show since 2003-current. Maybe Djokovic grabbing an extra slam or two that would have been it.

There is so much more to tennis then talent. It takes Focus, Fitness, health, determination, etc. Fed had all these things. No one else other then Nadal did. Im glad Nadal made it a horserace and made tennis watchable. No one else was capable or IS capable of making tennis a horse race currently
Speaking of numbers, how many french opens Samprass has ,I forgot, seems like such a long time ago now,that druggassi was missing from 1993-98.
Samprass was lucky he played in the 90s with second rate S&V like henman rafter.
They are in no class to Edberg/becker/Mc. enroe.
These S& V of the 90s made S&V a speciality, While these guys played competitively on any surface.The rot started in 1992, when edberg declined & becker was inconsistent post 1991 apart from Wimby untill 1995, his consistent days long gone. It got progessively worse since to what it is today,pushers n' such.

Echoes
12-29-2010, 11:21 PM
Speaking of numbers, how many tournaments are there on the ATP Tour? 65.
So your French Open... :rolleyes:


On MTF now it's no longer "Only GS matter" but it's "Only RG matters". :lol:

luie
12-29-2010, 11:26 PM
Speaking of numbers, how many tournaments are there on the ATP Tour? 65.
So your French Open... :rolleyes:


On MTF now it's no longer "Only GS matter" but it's "Only RG matters". :lol:
RG is the most important slam in everness,:p
You feel empty inside without it.

FormerRafaFan
12-29-2010, 11:36 PM
Well, I think he is good for tennis, because he's young, handsome, talented and humble. A very good guy to have in tennis. I don't think he's the best thing to ever have happened to the sport though. That is obviously Federer. He is still the guy with most fans (yes, even more than Rafa), and he's got more slams than any other player!

Pirata.
12-29-2010, 11:42 PM
Ferrer deserves more respect from these retired pros, his dedication and work ethic is even greater than Nadal's.

fast_clay
12-29-2010, 11:42 PM
Speaking of numbers, how many french opens Samprass has ,I forgot, seems like such a long time ago now,that druggassi was missing from 1993-98.
Samprass was lucky he played in the 90s with second rate S&V like henman rafter.
They are in no class to Edberg/becker/Mc. enroe.
These S& V of the 90s made S&V a speciality, While these guys played competitively on any surface.The rot started in 1992, when edberg declined & becker was inconsistent post 1991 apart from Wimby untill 1995, his consistent days long gone. It got progessively worse since to what it is today,pushers n' such.

revolution is nigh... renaissance is due... the new breed of attackers...

viruzzz
12-29-2010, 11:48 PM
I'm sick of this Rafitards looking for elements to show Rafitennis as a good thing.
Rafa is bad for tennis.

Clay Death
12-29-2010, 11:50 PM
you can always try bass fishing tournaments. they are a lot easier to follow and understand old sport.

and stop sucking on tennis balls. that is why you cant think.

you have balls in your mouth all the time.

Kat_YYZ
12-29-2010, 11:56 PM
Nadal is the only player who consistently stood up to Fed. And he was doing it BEFORE he reached his apex as an all surface player. Tell me who else was going to stand up to Fed and stop him from winning 25-30 slams by this point?


Nadal didn't kill tennis.. He stopped Fed from making a mockery of the sport, and kept people's interest. Who the hell was going to watch slams or masters or YEC events when you know the same guy was going to win every slam for 5-6 years straight if not for Nadal.
...

The statistics don't bear this out. Toronto and Cincy broke attendance records this year because Federer went to the finals. Wimbledon and US Open saw drops in TV viewer ratings; interest in the Wimbledon final dropped by half versus last year. When Fed drops out of a tournament, so does viewer interest. People just don't care to watch Rafa -- that's not just me talking, those are the numbers :shrug:

luie
12-30-2010, 12:05 AM
revolution is nigh... renaissance is due... the new breed of attackers...
One can hope,Paris seems like a mere drop in the ocean but its atleast something,At least we got to see what a 3rd rate S&V could do to the "top guys" on tour.;)

fast_clay
12-30-2010, 12:52 AM
One can hope,Paris seems like a mere drop in the ocean but its atleast something,At least we got to see what a 3rd rate S&V could do to the "top guys" on tour.;)

yeah, dunno why it is taking so long to cop on to the cyclical nature of tennis... with much respect to advance in strings and technology, what we saw in paris is sound evidence from... yes... as you say... 3rd rate serve and volley...

Bill Tilden, the dominant player of the 1920s and one of the fathers of the cannonball serve, nevertheless preferred to play from the backcourt and liked nothing better than to face an opponent who threw powerful serves and ground strokes at him and who rushed the net—one way or another Tilden would find a way to hit the ball past him. Tilden may also have spent more time analyzing the game of tennis than anyone before or since. His book Match Play and the Spin of the Ball is still in print and is the definitive work on the subject. In it, Tilden propounds the theory that by definition a great baseline player will always beat a great serve-and-volleyer; his returns of service will, by definition, be impossible to hit for winning volleys. Certainly the theory worked for Tilden for many years; and some of the best matches of all time have pitted great baseliners such as Björn Borg or Andre Agassi against great serve-and-volleyers such as John McEnroe or Pat Rafter.

Another factor of the serve-and-volley game is that it is less tiring than playing constantly from the backcourt. Kramer says in his autobiography that he and Pancho Segura once tried playing three matches in which they allowed the ball to bounce three times before either could approach the net. "I don't believe I could have played tennis the way Segoo and I did for the three nights because it wore me out, running down all those groundstrokes. It was much more gruelling than putting a lot into a serve and following it in." He goes on to say that "Rosewall was a backcourt player when he came into the pros, but he learned very quickly how to play the net. Eventually, for that matter, he became a master of it, as much out of physical preservation as for any other reason. I guarantee you that Kenny wouldn't have lasted into his forties as a world-class player if he hadn't learned to serve and volley."

FlameOn
12-30-2010, 01:00 AM
Damn right. I can only imagine how boring men's tennis would be without Rafa in the picture. :worship:

The thought of full-time Olderer dominance... :yawn:

GlennMirnyi
12-30-2010, 02:32 AM
What is greatness monsieur connoisseur :shrug:

Being a great and winning slams against a fierce competition, displaying technique and talent throughout.

I'd rank Lendl over Federer any. freaking. day. As big of a choker as Lendl was in finals, he faced amazing players from Edberg to McEnroe to Wilander to Borg.

Corey Feldman
12-30-2010, 02:45 AM
good one Kalashnikov

kiss goodbye to the chances you had of Fed ever coming to play Moscow ATP :wavey:

Serenidad
12-30-2010, 10:22 AM
If he had said Brands it would have been fine, but he had to go rant about Porky and Farmer Fred.

The Magician
12-30-2010, 10:45 AM
Kafelnikov has no idea what he's talking about.

Nadull is not the best thing to happen to tennis, Federer is.
Nadull has destroyed tennis with his cheating, his monnballing, his disgusting style of play and antics (picking his arse). Also, he is the most boring player to watch on the entire tour. Nothing about Nadull is good for tennis.

Federer, on the other hand is the exact reverse, and is GREAT for tennis. Beauty, amazing shotmaking, a fluid artistic game, his trokes are pure joy to watch and he's an amazing player to top it off. Federer is by far the best thing to happen to tennis ever.

:worship::yeah:

Echoes
12-30-2010, 11:04 AM
Being a great and winning slams against a fierce competition, displaying technique and talent throughout.

That's not being great. That's being talented, and being the best but not the greatest.


I'd rank Lendl over Federer any. freaking. day. As big of a choker as Lendl was in finals, he faced amazing players from Edberg to McEnroe to Wilander to Borg.


Same for other reasons. http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173222

Allez
12-30-2010, 11:48 AM
I'd rank Lendl over Federer any. freaking. day.

Of course you would. You're a tennis connoisseur :worship: 8 GS > 16 GS ;)
x2 Wimbledon runner up trophies to Becker & Cash > 6 Wimbledon wins against Roddick/Nadal

Ivan the great :worship:

Blackbriar
12-30-2010, 12:01 PM
True ! (serious reply to a probably ironical comment)
as a matter of fact, i was quite serious.

fast_clay
12-30-2010, 12:24 PM
just a pity the Fed VS Roddick head to head is so lopsided... roddick could have really validated fed's claims... but, instead history will show duck as a players who cant punch his way out of a wet paper bag...

we know this is not the case...

cutesteve22
12-30-2010, 02:59 PM
Kafelnikov has no idea what he's talking about.

Nadull is not the best thing to happen to tennis, Federer is.
Nadull has destroyed tennis with his cheating, his monnballing, his disgusting style of play and antics (picking his arse). Also, he is the most boring player to watch on the entire tour. Nothing about Nadull is good for tennis.

Federer, on the other hand is the exact reverse, and is GREAT for tennis. Beauty, amazing shotmaking, a fluid artistic game, his trokes are pure joy to watch and he's an amazing player to top it off. Federer is by far the best thing to happen to tennis ever.

this

Echoes
12-30-2010, 03:26 PM
Of course you would. You're a tennis connoisseur :worship: 8 GS > 16 GS ;)
Ivan the great :worship:

I don't need to be a tennis connoisseur to know that 94 > 66 ATP sanctioned tournaments.

Lendl next won 37 "8+ draw" exo tournaments ; Federer 2 Kooyong.

My ranking is unequivocal: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173222

I'm not even a Lendl fan. As a matter of fact I hated him, but he's the greatest in the OE, there's no denying. :p:p


as a matter of fact, i was quite serious.

OK Then we agree !

star
12-30-2010, 03:52 PM
good one Kalashnikov

kiss goodbye to the chances you had of Fed ever coming to play Moscow ATP :wavey:

Most likely true.

But, if a man has not intregity and speaks not the truth, what is he but a shell blown about by the winds of opinion.

:awww:

Commander Data
12-30-2010, 03:59 PM
This whole thread belongs in the waste dump.

oranges
12-30-2010, 04:01 PM
good one Kalashnikov

kiss goodbye to the chances you had of Fed ever coming to play Moscow ATP :wavey:

TBH, the chances of him playing Moscow were as high as playing Zagreb to begin with ;)

Allez
12-30-2010, 04:05 PM
I don't need to be a tennis connoisseur to know that 94 > 66 ATP sanctioned tournaments.

Lendl next won 37 "8+ draw" exo tournaments ; Federer 2 Kooyong.

My ranking is unequivocal: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173222

I'm not even a Lendl fan. As a matter of fact I hated him, but he's the greatest in the OE, there's no denying. :p:p


I suppose the fact that Dimitrov has been cleaning up on the Challenger/Futures cicruit of late makes him a goat as well (Grigor fans relax I'm just making a point. I know he will graduate to the top 100 in 2011 and will compile a beautiful ATP record over the next 10 years :worship: ). If those stats were so important any mug would avoid the big tournaments and compile an impressive resume mugging it out on the micky mouse circuit. Lendl's name barely comes up in any discussion with regards to all time greats and I'm not talking about MTF discussions...I'm talking about people who've been there and done that including those who played alongside your goat. I should think they would have a better perspective on these things. However you are entitled to your opinion as do the likes on McEnroe, Borg, Becker etc who time and time again point to Rogi/Sampras/Laver etc as candidates for that title. Poor Ivan's not getting repect even from his contemporaries...still he has your thread on MTF so that is something to be thankful for I suppose :D
BTW I have nothing but love for Ivan. Whatever happened to him ? How come he isn't hanging out with the other guys on the senior tour ? I want to see just what it is that made him so great other than your "unequivocal rankings".:wavey:

Guy Haines
12-30-2010, 04:14 PM
good one Kalashnikov

kiss goodbye to the chances you had of Fed ever coming to play Moscow ATP :wavey:

To phrase it slightly differently from star, maybe Kafelnikov realized there was no way he could ever match Jonas Bjorkman's dexterity at rimming Federer.

What a rogue's gallery this thread is. Might as well join in. A thought for the children here: do you EVER have a thought that you DON'T share?

fast_clay
12-30-2010, 04:28 PM
rogue's gallery :lol:

I'd like to have a shot at the kafelnikov haters...the guy earned the right to drink rocket fuel and get bloated...not every former great has to age gracefully, play seniors tennis and look half respectable...let jabba enjoy his 700ml n get all fat n shit...the guy put in the hard yards...

luie
12-30-2010, 04:30 PM
I suppose the fact that Dimitrov has been cleaning up on the Challenger/Futures cicruit of late makes him a goat as well (Grigor fans relax I'm just making a point. I know he will graduate to the top 100 in 2011 and will compile a beautiful ATP record over the next 10 years :worship: ). If those stats were so important any mug would avoid the big tournaments and compile an impressive resume mugging it out on the micky mouse circuit. Lendl's name barely comes up in any discussion with regards to all time greats and I'm not talking about MTF discussions...I'm talking about people who've been there and done that including those who played alongside your goat. I should think they would have a better perspective on these things. However you are entitled to your opinion as do the likes on McEnroe, Borg, Becker etc who time and time again point to Rogi/Sampras/Laver etc as candidates for that title. Poor Ivan's not getting repect even from his contemporaries...still he has your thread on MTF so that is something to be thankful for I suppose :D
BTW I have nothing but love for Ivan. Whatever happened to him ? How come he isn't hanging out with the other guys on the senior tour ? I want to see just what it is that made him so great other than your "unequivocal rankings".:wavey:
You do not know what you are saying,, lendl avoiding the big dance & concentrating on MM events.
Lendl made 19 GS finals across all surfaces & he lost 11 finals it looks poor on paper , however he lost all but 1 of those finals to all-time greats on their prefered surface,most of his losses were to opponents with 6+ slams across most surfaces.
He won 5 YEC made numerous finals.
His only blemish imo is being straight setted by 1 slam wonder Pat cash @ Wimby 87. Every-one is entitled to a bad lost or two.
Nothing in the 90s or 00s compare to that level of competition lendl had to face.

acionescu
12-30-2010, 04:37 PM
you should update your sig, luie, Fed is on his way to even things :rocker2:


Well, wasn't he always? :)

Allez
12-30-2010, 04:40 PM
You do not know what you are saying,, lendl avoiding the big dance & concentrating on MM events.
Lendl made 19 GS finals across all surfaces & he lost 11 finals it looks poor on paper , however he lost all but 1 of those finals to all-time greats on their prefered surface,most of his losses were to opponents with 6+ slams across most surfaces.
He won 5 YEC made numerous finals.
His only blemish imo is being straight setted by 1 slam wonder Pat cash @ Wimby 87. Every-one is entitled to a bad lost or two.
Nothing in the 90s or 00s compare to that level of competition lendl had to face.

Oh god why do you guys always take everything so literally ? Of course every tennis fan knows Lendl's stats. They are so easy to find. All I'm saying is that if being a goat is about compiling a 90 odd ATP tournament record anyone could do it if they wanted. In other words winning 90 tournaments does not a goat make. Connors has a far more impressive resume in terms of tournament wins and he is not cited as the ultimate goat. To the right. Roger is the goat...for now...simple as that.

luie
12-30-2010, 04:46 PM
Oh god why do you guys always take everything so literally ? Of course every tennis fan knows Lendl's stats. They are so easy to find. All I'm saying is that if being a goat is about compiling a 90 odd ATP tournament record anyone could do it if they wanted. In other words winning 90 tournaments does not a goat make. Connors has a far more impressive resume in terms of tournament wins and he is not cited as the ultimate goat. To the right. Roger is the goat...for now...simple as that.
I don't care for GOAT, it is meaningless & media driven ,my response was to you stating lendl was concentrating on MM events & muugging it out @ slams.
Every-one knows #titles doesn't equal GOAT or Sheep but your statment was wrong.

GlennMirnyi
12-30-2010, 04:51 PM
That's not being great. That's being talented, and being the best but not the greatest.

Same for other reasons. http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173222

Read again.

I meant winning but not against talentless mugs.

Of course you would. You're a tennis connoisseur :worship: 8 GS > 16 GS ;)
x2 Wimbledon runner up trophies to Becker & Cash > 6 Wimbledon wins against Roddick/Nadal

Ivan the great :worship:

Well to whom did he lose? To a moonballer who can't volley/serve/slice, etc?

Nope.

Lendl played true legends not Gonzalez, Roddick, Murray, Fakervic, Nadull.

Shows how much you know about tennis that you think that losing on grass to Becker and Cash is worse than barely beating Roddick (a one slam wonder turned pushmeister) and Nadull, a moonballer. :lol:

Pirao666
12-30-2010, 04:51 PM
I don't need to be a tennis connoisseur to know that 94 > 66 ATP sanctioned tournaments.

Lendl next won 37 "8+ draw" exo tournaments ; Federer 2 Kooyong.

My ranking is unequivocal: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173222

I'm not even a Lendl fan. As a matter of fact I hated him, but he's the greatest in the OE, there's no denying. :p:p




OK Then we agree !

Of course, because we all know all tournaments are worth the same. Nadal and Federer should stop playing Masters and Slams and instead concentrate on MM tournaments to bolster their numbers... not.

Your ranking is a joke BTW.

GlennMirnyi
12-30-2010, 04:52 PM
You do not know what you are saying,, lendl avoiding the big dance & concentrating on MM events.
Lendl made 19 GS finals across all surfaces & he lost 11 finals it looks poor on paper , however he lost all but 1 of those finals to all-time greats on their prefered surface,most of his losses were to opponents with 6+ slams across most surfaces.
He won 5 YEC made numerous finals.
His only blemish imo is being straight setted by 1 slam wonder Pat cash @ Wimby 87. Every-one is entitled to a bad lost or two.
Nothing in the 90s or 00s compare to that level of competition lendl had to face.

Spotless.

Allez
12-30-2010, 04:57 PM
I don't care for GOAT, it is meaningless & media driven ,my response was to you stating lendl was concentrating on MM events & muugging it out @ slams.
Every-one knows #titles doesn't equal GOAT or Sheep but your statment was wrong.

As I said that statement want meant to be taken literally only by those who do not want to think laterally ;) If you'd seen my earlier post you would have noticed I mentioned Ivan's 8 GS wins and his SW19 campaigns. No one who wins that many slams or reaches so many finals is a mugster. He wouldn't have the time to fit all the mickey mouse tournaments into his schedule. It should have been too obvious that I meant anyone could compile a 90 ATP record especially back then when there couldn't have been such depth in mens tennis as there is today. I do not take that statement back as it is perfectly valid. You chose to read something into it that was not intended. You did not see me say Lendl was a mugster. You chose to believe that is what was being implied. I've noticed that anyone whose favourite player's achievements have been eclipsed is quick to dismiss the GOAT discusion.

Allez
12-30-2010, 05:01 PM
Read again.
Shows how much you know about tennis that you think that losing on grass to Becker and Cash is worse than barely beating Roddick (a one slam wonder turned pushmeister) and Nadull, a moonballer. :lol:
Pat Who ? Nadal will probably end up with more than becker's 3 Wimbledons. When that happens I hope you'll have the decency of resurrecting this thread and issuing a heartfelt apology for your insolence :hug:

GlennMirnyi
12-30-2010, 05:04 PM
Pat Who ? Nadal will probably end up with more than becker's 3 Wimbledons. When that happens I hope you'll have the decency of resurrecting this thread and issuing a heartfelt apology for your insolence :hug:

Cash > Nadull on grass any day.

Nadull plays clowns and mugs on green clay. Somehow the idiots at SW19 managed to create a kind of grass that makes ball BOUNCE. What an absolute joke.

Cash played when Wimbledon was Wimbledon and not a mickey mouse tournament played on a football surface.

How dare you even put Becker and Nadull in the same sentence. That's heresy.

Allez
12-30-2010, 05:11 PM
Cash > Nadull on grass any day.

Nadull plays clowns and mugs on green clay. Somehow the idiots at SW19 managed to create a kind of grass that makes ball BOUNCE. What an absolute joke.

Cash played when Wimbledon was Wimbledon and not a mickey mouse tournament played on a football surface.

How dare you even put Becker and Nadull in the same sentence. That's heresy.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GlennMirnyi again :mad:

l_mac
12-30-2010, 05:14 PM
This Kafelnikov speaks the truth.

luie
12-30-2010, 05:18 PM
As I said that statement want meant to be taken literally only by those who do not want to think laterally ;) If you'd seen my earlier post you would have noticed I mentioned Ivan's 8 GS wins and his SW19 campaigns. No one who wins that many slams or reaches so many finals is a mugster. He wouldn't have the time to fit all the mickey mouse tournaments into his schedule. It should have been too obvious that I meant anyone could compile a 90 ATP record especially back then when there couldn't have been such depth in mens tennis as there is today. I do not take that statement back as it is perfectly valid. You chose to read something into it that was not intended. You did not see me say Lendl was a mugster. You chose to believe that is what was being implied. I've noticed that anyone whose favourite player's achievements have been eclipsed is quick to dismiss the GOAT discusion.
The point you are making that is that,# titles,doesn't equal GOAT, true..... However you point was that if is was ,you could concentrate on MM events & avoid slams & compile say #150 titles & be the GOAT if that was the barometer. However my point was that lendl only claim to fame is not only his # of titles.
Also it was not easier back then its harder now because the game has become more physical now,than back then,so the body would break down

Pirao666
12-30-2010, 05:27 PM
How dare you even put Becker and Nadull in the same sentence. That's heresy.

Indeed. Nadal has surpassed Becker by far at this point :devil:

GlennMirnyi
12-30-2010, 05:36 PM
Indeed. Nadal has surpassed Becker by far at this point :devil:

Only if the criterion is: game ugliness and/or lack of technique.

GlennMirnyi
12-30-2010, 05:38 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GlennMirnyi again :mad:

Mate, don't hide behind reps.

Be transparent.

It's not like I'll bad rep you back. I don't care about that. :)

Allez
12-30-2010, 05:42 PM
Mate, don't hide behind reps.

Be transparent.

It's not like I'll bad rep you back. I don't care about that. :)

Actually it was going to be a good rep because you never fail to amuse us matey ;)

Pirao666
12-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Only if the criterion is: game ugliness and/or lack of technique.

Number of slams, having career slam, weeks at #1, 3 slams won in a year... and Nadal isn't even done yet :devil:

Nadull_tard
12-30-2010, 07:45 PM
Number of slams, having career slam, weeks at #1, 3 slams won in a year... and Nadal isn't even done yet :devil:

Sport is first of all about beauty and impression. People don't care about someone's records or the intense of groaning, they don't give a shit about work-load either. They want to see epic and memorable battles, not a moonfest or a first-blood fight.
Nadull is not framed in both of those values.

Just like heaven
12-30-2010, 07:49 PM
They want to see epic and memorable battles

And Nadal gave us plenty of those. :worship:
That's why we love him.

Allez
12-30-2010, 07:57 PM
Sport is first of all about beauty and impression. People don't care about someone's records or the intense of groaning, they don't give a shit about work-load either. They want to see epic and memorable battles, not a moonfest or a first-blood fight.
Nadull is not framed in both of those values.

Does anyone here remember Bill Tilden's epic and memorable battles ? Bill who :shrug: I hear you ask :confused: Exactly :drive:

Pirao666
12-30-2010, 08:22 PM
Sport is first of all about beauty and impression. People don't care about someone's records or the intense of groaning, they don't give a shit about work-load either. They want to see epic and memorable battles, not a moonfest or a first-blood fight.
Nadull is not framed in both of those values.

First of all, beauty is subjective. Second, you can have the most beautiful game in the world, but if you don't get results, noone will care about you, fact. In short, shut up unless you have something to say that makes sense.

GlennMirnyi
12-30-2010, 10:44 PM
Number of slams, having career slam, weeks at #1, 3 slams won in a year... and Nadal isn't even done yet :devil:

Yeah, playing against mugs. :rolleyes:

Commander Data
12-30-2010, 10:44 PM
Fedmug.

Corey Feldman
12-30-2010, 11:53 PM
over the moon that Lendl & Wilander never won Wimbledon during the strongest era of all era's - players like Pat Cash and Kevin Curren in the way

Forehander
12-31-2010, 01:24 AM
lol this is the Russian man who can't even beat Sebastien Grosjean on clay or hard courts.

Topspindoctor
12-31-2010, 04:36 AM
Yeah, playing against mugs. :rolleyes:

:secret: Nadal won a lot of his slams against Olderer.... are you calling him a mug? Or... in all slams this year, Nadal had to beat the player who took out Olderer en route to finals, if those guys are mugs, according to your logic, then Olderer is the biggest mug of them all :spit:

GlennMirnyi
12-31-2010, 05:08 AM
:secret: Nadal won a lot of his slams against Olderer.... are you calling him a mug? Or... in all slams this year, Nadal had to beat the player who took out Olderer en route to finals, if those guys are mugs, according to your logic, then Olderer is the biggest mug of them all :spit:

Yep. Frauderer is a huge obdurate mug.

Doggy
12-31-2010, 06:47 AM
without nadal, no one will tennis because it's so boring when the same person wins every tournament. seriously, why waste time watching if you already who the winner is

siloe26
12-31-2010, 08:58 AM
Sport is first of all about beauty and impression. People don't care about someone's records or the intense of groaning, they don't give a shit about work-load either. They want to see epic and memorable battles, not a moonfest or a first-blood fight.
Nadull is not framed in both of those values.

His lasso is to die for and his game is a thing of beauty for many people. Too bad that you are too much of a purist to enjoy it. :)
And if you want epic battles, he's the one.:worship:

Echoes
12-31-2010, 11:44 AM
As I said that statement want meant to be taken literally only by those who do not want to think laterally ;) If you'd seen my earlier post you would have noticed I mentioned Ivan's 8 GS wins and his SW19 campaigns. No one who wins that many slams or reaches so many finals is a mugster. He wouldn't have the time to fit all the mickey mouse tournaments into his schedule. It should have been too obvious that I meant anyone could compile a 90 ATP record especially back then when there couldn't have been such depth in mens tennis as there is today. I do not take that statement back as it is perfectly valid. You chose to read something into it that was not intended. You did not see me say Lendl was a mugster. You chose to believe that is what was being implied. I've noticed that anyone whose favourite player's achievements have been eclipsed is quick to dismiss the GOAT discusion.

OK now I'll ask the same question I asked about Connors.

Which tournament in Lendl's palmares do you consider "Mickey Mouse"?

Forest Hills? WCT Finals? Wembley?:rolleyes:
What's that Federerization of mentalities? Just as gloryhunting and elitist as he is.

It's so easy to win 90+ tournaments in a career? LOL Why haven't more players done so?
Besides, Lendl got many many more titles. That's only his ATP-sanctioned title statistics.

We, Belgians, haven't forgotten that this guy won 5 times the ECC in Antwerp and that he received the most valuable Diamond Racket for winning 3 editions in 5 years. The greatest invitational event in history and it was fierce competition. Lendl won 131 tournaments (4-draw events let aside). That's why his palmares is pretty much equal to Connors' (who won more ATP sanctioned titles), and yet Lendl won more 'series' equivalent (about 22).

Lendl's ambition was to be and remain #1 and not to get GS records. And to defend the #1 rank, you have to win tournaments.

Sampras and Federer could have won about as many but the former was too injury- and illness-prone and the latter decided to neglect non-Slam tennis in the middle of his career (first player in history) and didn't even hide it (see comments in Madrid). It's still possible to do now, certainly since the numerous reforms.

And yeah, Allez, Lendl got the recognition he deserves from his peers. He was so innovative and had such a great influence on the next generations. There would be no Sampras and no Federer without Lendl.

And winning so many tournaments definitely means: competitiveness, love for the game, winning spirit, motivation, ... All things you can say when you are talking about Connors' record. Things which he has to be respected for !

fast_clay
12-31-2010, 01:28 PM
OK now I'll ask the same question I asked about Connors.

Which tournament in Lendl's palmares do you consider "Mickey Mouse"?

Forest Hills? WCT Finals? Wembley?:rolleyes:
What's that Federerization of mentalities? Just as gloryhunting and elitist as he is.

It's so easy to win 90+ tournaments in a career? LOL Why haven't more players done so?
Besides, Lendl got many many more titles. That's only his ATP-sanctioned title statistics.

We, Belgians, haven't forgotten that this guy won 5 times the ECC in Antwerp and that he received the most valuable Diamond Racket for winning 3 editions in 5 years. The greatest invitational event in history and it was fierce competition. Lendl won 131 tournaments (4-draw events let aside). That's why his palmares is pretty much equal to Connors' (who won more ATP sanctioned titles), and yet Lendl won more 'series' equivalent (about 22).

Lendl's ambition was to be and remain #1 and not to get GS records. And to defend the #1 rank, you have to win tournaments.

Sampras and Federer could have won about as many but the former was too injury- and illness-prone and the latter decided to neglect non-Slam tennis in the middle of his career (first player in history) and didn't even hide it (see comments in Madrid). It's still possible to do now, certainly since the numerous reforms.

And yeah, Allez, Lendl got the recognition he deserves from his peers. He was so innovative and had such a great influence on the next generations. There would be no Sampras and no Federer without Lendl.

And winning so many tournaments definitely means: competitiveness, love for the game, winning spirit, motivation, ... All things you can say when you are talking about Connors' record. Things which he has to be respected for !

:worship::worship::worship:

oranges
12-31-2010, 01:55 PM
Echoes :worship:

GlennMirnyi
12-31-2010, 02:19 PM
OK now I'll ask the same question I asked about Connors.

Which tournament in Lendl's palmares do you consider "Mickey Mouse"?

Forest Hills? WCT Finals? Wembley?:rolleyes:
What's that Federerization of mentalities? Just as gloryhunting and elitist as he is.

It's so easy to win 90+ tournaments in a career? LOL Why haven't more players done so?
Besides, Lendl got many many more titles. That's only his ATP-sanctioned title statistics.

We, Belgians, haven't forgotten that this guy won 5 times the ECC in Antwerp and that he received the most valuable Diamond Racket for winning 3 editions in 5 years. The greatest invitational event in history and it was fierce competition. Lendl won 131 tournaments (4-draw events let aside). That's why his palmares is pretty much equal to Connors' (who won more ATP sanctioned titles), and yet Lendl won more 'series' equivalent (about 22).

Lendl's ambition was to be and remain #1 and not to get GS records. And to defend the #1 rank, you have to win tournaments.

Sampras and Federer could have won about as many but the former was too injury- and illness-prone and the latter decided to neglect non-Slam tennis in the middle of his career (first player in history) and didn't even hide it (see comments in Madrid). It's still possible to do now, certainly since the numerous reforms.

And yeah, Allez, Lendl got the recognition he deserves from his peers. He was so innovative and had such a great influence on the next generations. There would be no Sampras and no Federer without Lendl.

And winning so many tournaments definitely means: competitiveness, love for the game, winning spirit, motivation, ... All things you can say when you are talking about Connors' record. Things which he has to be respected for !

:worship:

Allez
12-31-2010, 05:06 PM
OK I have 2 minutes to pick this apart
OK now I'll ask the same question I asked about Connors.

Which tournament in Lendl's palmares do you consider "Mickey Mouse"?

Forest Hills? WCT Finals? Wembley?:rolleyes:
What's that Federerization of mentalities? Just as gloryhunting and elitist as he is.
!You are forgiven for clearly not understanding this statement…
“No one who wins that many slams or reaches so many finals is a mugster. He wouldn't have the time to fit all the mickey mouse tournaments into his schedule”


It's so easy to win 90+ tournaments in a career? LOL Why haven't more players done so?
If the only criteria for greatness were tournament wins why would your average player participate in the big tournaments where all the talent is ? There are loads of ATP tournaments these days where someone could reach the final without having faced any decent opposition..


We, Belgians, haven't forgotten that this guy won 5 times the ECC in Antwerp and that he received the most valuable Diamond Racket for winning 3 editions in 5 years.
There is a saying…memory is like the red wine…I just made up.


Lendl's ambition was to be and remain #1 and not to get GS records. And to defend the #1 rank, you have to win tournaments.
Poor Lendl. He does not even hold the record for the most weeks at number one. So much for that ambition :rolleyes:


Federer could have won about as many but he decided to neglect non-Slam tennis in the middle of his career (first player in history) and didn't even hide it (see comments in Madrid). It's still possible to do now, certainly since the numerous reforms.
Thank you for acknowledging god’s truth on green earth. Roger could have reached that milestone in his sleep if he thought it would rank him as the greatest ever. However he knows as everyone else does that the number of titles strictly speaking is not the sole criteria by which greatness is measured.


And yeah, Allez, Lendl got the recognition he deserves from his peers.
Give me one of these who has supported your argument that Lendl is the greatest ever. Who ? Becker ? Eh no he’s in Roger’s corner…Maybe is McEnroe ? Nope. For now he’s going with Roger. Ah I know who it is…Borg…sorry mate Borg is on the Fedal bandwagon. I mean not a single one of those playes has come forward to say Ivan Lendl is the greatest player in the history of this universe. Why is that ? Ah sorry Mats Wilander might be your man but all I've ever heard from him is that you can't compare different generations etc


There would be no Sampras and no Federer without Lendl.

That is the claim of the decade :haha: I actually thought you were being serious until I read this…
Amongst his many accomplishments Lendl sired Pete Sampras and Roger Federer and taught them how to play tennis :lol: Happy New Year man.:hug:

Roger the Dodger
12-31-2010, 05:22 PM
Rios has better taste than Kafelnikov.

Pirao666
12-31-2010, 05:39 PM
OK I have 2 minutes to pick this apart
You are forgiven for clearly not understanding this statement…
“No one who wins that many slams or reaches so many finals is a mugster. He wouldn't have the time to fit all the mickey mouse tournaments into his schedule”

If the only criteria for greatness were tournament wins why would your average player participate in the big tournaments where all the talent is ? There are loads of ATP tournaments these days where someone could reach the final without having faced any decent opposition..

There is a saying…memory is like the red wine…I just made up.

Poor Lendl. He does not even hold the record for the most weeks at number one. So much for that ambition :rolleyes:

Thank you for acknowledging god’s truth on green earth. Roger could have reached that milestone in his sleep if he thought it would rank him as the greatest ever. However he knows as everyone else does that the number of titles strictly speaking is not the sole criteria by which greatness is measured.

Give me one of these who has supported your argument that Lendl is the greatest ever. Who ? Becker ? Eh no he’s in Roger’s corner…Maybe is McEnroe ? Nope. For now he’s going with Roger. Ah I know who it is…Borg…sorry mate Borg is on the Fedal bandwagon. I mean not a single one of those playes has come forward to say Ivan Lendl is the greatest player in the history of this universe. Why is that ? Ah sorry Mats Wilander might be your man but all I've ever heard from him is that you can't compare different generations etc


That is the claim of the decade :haha: I actually thought you were being serious until I read this…
Amongst his many accomplishments Lendl sired Pete Sampras and Roger Federer and taught them how to play tennis :lol: Happy New Year man.:hug:

+1, and you saved me a lot of typing too :worship:

I'd love to hear Echoes' reasoning for putting Nastase above Nadal in his ranking :lol:

samanosuke
12-31-2010, 05:44 PM
Kafelnikov is a great example how somebody can be a double fluke grand slam champion . Somebody who is GS champion and wasn't capable to won at least one masters 1000 title can't be took seriously

Corey Feldman
12-31-2010, 05:47 PM
Kafelnikov is a great example how somebody can be a double fluke grand slam champion . Somebody who is GS champion and wasn't capable to won at least one masters 1000 title can't be took seriouslyAgree Sam

also fluked Olympics like Nadal

real talent, our guy Cilic, cant win nothing :sad:

samanosuke
12-31-2010, 05:54 PM
Agree Sam

also fluked Olympics like Nadal

real talent, our guy Cilic, cant win nothing :sad:

No need to be sad for Cilic . He is winning much more bigger and higher things than matches are . He is the greatest winner ever . You'll understand that with the time

Roger the Dodger
12-31-2010, 06:02 PM
Marin Cilic is a light-footed version of Del Potro.

samanosuke
12-31-2010, 06:06 PM
Marin Cilic is a light-footed version of Del Potro.

And who are you to have a permission to talk on that way about Cilic ??
Clean your own court-yard first . Naughty boy

Corey Feldman
12-31-2010, 06:07 PM
Please dont touch our Cilic ..

luie
12-31-2010, 06:09 PM
No need to be sad for Cilic . He is winning much more bigger and higher things than matches are . He is the greatest winner ever . You'll understand that with the time
What is he going to get spiritual enlightenment ?
Marry a hot woman ?
I'll be eagerly waiting to see what my buddy cilic can do.:)

samanosuke
12-31-2010, 06:11 PM
What is he going to get spiritual enlightenment ?
Going ??? He is already there.

Marry a hot woman ?
Doubt

I'll be eagerly waiting to see what my buddy cilic can do.:)
And you'll have plenty to see


Just few days and the great man will be back again

Roger the Dodger
12-31-2010, 06:22 PM
And who are you to have a permission to talk on that way about Cilic ??
Clean your own court-yard first . Naughty boy

That was a compliment, ma'am.

It means Cilic has grand slam potential.

Sapeod
12-31-2010, 06:25 PM
without nadal, no one will tennis because it's so boring when the same person wins every tournament. seriously, why waste time watching if you already who the winner is
Couldn't that be said about Nadull now? :retard:
I mean, the courts have been slowed down and are still being slowed down for him, so isn't it boring knowing he's going to do well even on the fasterst courts he plays on (which are still slow as hell).

samanosuke
12-31-2010, 06:27 PM
That was a compliment, ma'am.

It means Cilic has grand slam potential.

Now it's to late for the apologizes . You already did the damage ;)

Roger the Dodger
12-31-2010, 06:45 PM
Now it's to late for the apologizes . You already did the damage ;)

Fine. He won't win a slam.:)

born_on_clay
01-01-2011, 01:05 PM
Yevgeny you're the men ! :hatoff:

oranges
01-01-2011, 02:19 PM
OK I have 2 minutes to pick this apart


Instead of taking in the plethora of information Echoes has given you, you've decided to play a smart ass with the sorry excuse for arguments common on MTF.

Pirao666
01-01-2011, 02:22 PM
Instead of taking in the plethora of information Echoes has given you, you've decided to play a smart ass with the sorry excuse for arguments common on MTF.

Lol, his subjective opinions are not a plethora of information. Still waiting for his reasoning to rank Nastase above Nadal :lol:

oranges
01-01-2011, 02:26 PM
Lol, his subjective opinions are not a plethora of information. Still waiting for his reasoning to rank Nastase above Nadal :lol:

You may disagree with ranking, but that is still an abundance of information anyone who wishes to discuss and compare tennis beyond the past five to ten years needs to know if he/she is not to look like an idiot. Given how many people here are aboslutely clueless about anything before 2005, that's a more valuable post than anything you've ever written or will write. Hope that helps.

Pirao666
01-01-2011, 02:41 PM
You may disagree with ranking, but that is still an abundance of information anyone who wishes to discuss and compare tennis beyond the past five to ten years needs to know if he/she is not to look like an idiot. Given how many people here are aboslutely clueless about anything before 2005, that's a more valuable post than anything you've ever written or will write. Hope that helps.

Really, can I have your crystal ball please? Trying to convince us that winning a bunch of small tournaments by making them sound all important (which they weren't), is more important than winning double the slams Lendl has, is just a rubish opinion and nothing more. Funny that he tried to argument that Lendl entered and won all those little events instead of concentrating on slams because he wanted to maintain his #1 as long as posible, well Federer both won more slams, on all surfaces, and maintained his #1 ranking more time :wavey:

Allez
01-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Really, can I have your crystal ball please? Trying to convince us that winning a bunch of small tournaments by making them sound all important (which they weren't), is more important than winning double the slams Lendl has, is just a rubish opinion and nothing more. Funny that he tried to argument that Lendl entered and won all those little events instead of concentrating on slams because he wanted to maintain his #1 as long as posible, well Federer both won more slams, on all surfaces, and maintained his #1 ranking more time :wavey:

Exactly ;)

Allez
01-01-2011, 04:05 PM
Lol, his subjective opinions are not a plethora of information. Still waiting for his reasoning to rank Nastase above Nadal :lol:

:worship: I mean did he really rank Nastase above Nadal :eek: And some of his fanboys are blindly cheering him on using his subjective opinions as their bible :haha: I thought the clownish season was over with the beginning of the New Year and new tennis calendar year :lol:

Echoes
01-01-2011, 04:25 PM
I'm so sorry. I missed the Madrid 1972 wins (singles & doubles) by Ilie Nastase in my system. :sad:
So Nasty is even better than I thought. I'm sure you realize that anybody can make mistakes though. ;)

Ranking updated. Go to the statistics section. :wavey:

Pirao666
01-01-2011, 06:22 PM
:worship: I mean did he really rank Nastase above Nadal :eek: And some of his fanboys are blindly cheering him on using his subjective opinions as their bible :haha: I thought the clownish season was over with the beginning of the New Year and new tennis calendar year :lol:

Yeah he did, please Echoes explain how Nastase ranks about Nadal. Is it because of his numerous slam wins? Oh wait, Nadal has more slams. Because of his weeks at #1 maybe? Wait, Nadal has more of those too. His number of year end #1? Oops, Nadal has more again. His career slam? Wait he doesn't have it, while Nadal does. The number of Davis Cups he won? Ouch, Nadal is again superior.

But hey Nastase has more MM tournaments, clearly he must be ranked higher. And these guys have the nerve of talking about blind fanboyism :lol:

delpiero7
01-01-2011, 06:31 PM
Let's not be hating on Nastase please. He ranks by far and away #1 in the 'number of women pro tennis players have banged' list. Who really cares about his achievements on the court when put into context with his legendary conquests off it?

Pirao666
01-02-2011, 09:51 AM
Let's not be hating on Nastase please. He ranks by far and away #1 in the 'number of women pro tennis players have banged' list. Who really cares about his achievements on the court when put into context with his legendary conquests off it?

Mmmm I hadn't thought about that record. Well if you put it that way :worship:

jrm
01-02-2011, 11:00 AM
Wodka in game? If Nadal is all that he claims to be why is Federer sooooo much more popular and loved???

FedFan
01-02-2011, 11:17 AM
Wodka in game? If Nadal is all that he claims to be why is Federer sooooo much more popular and loved???

:worship:

Just like heaven
06-11-2011, 07:24 AM
His lasso is to die for and his game is a thing of beauty for many people. Too bad that you are too much of a purist to enjoy it. :)
And if you want epic battles, he's the one.:worship:
+1

BULLZ1LLA
06-11-2011, 07:31 AM
(Kafelnikov wore the legendary yellow shoes at Australian Open. Rafa should wear that style)

gaitare
06-11-2011, 07:53 AM
RMD knows very little about tennis :shrug:

joplin
06-11-2011, 08:24 AM
kafelnikov is right in a way. without nadal, federer would have made a complete joke of this sport, its popularity would have decreased dramatically

joplin
06-11-2011, 08:28 AM
Wodka in game? If Nadal is all that he claims to be why is Federer sooooo much more popular and loved???
he is not that much popular than nadal, especially when considering on court achievements. federer just has the edge because he is multilingual ,and somewhat closer to francophone and german markets

Nathaliia
06-11-2011, 11:08 AM
He says it because he nailed it all on Nadal @1.5 as this win over Fed was so obvious, and paid all his poker debts.

BULLZ1LLA
06-11-2011, 01:04 PM
he is not that much popular than nadal, especially when considering on court achievements. federer just has the edge because he is multilingual ,and somewhat closer to francophone and german markets

(Rafa is more popular at Wimbledon though, and Rafa has gained more facebook fans this year than any athlete in the world. At this rate he'll overtake Federer, just like in the slam totals. Rafa would also be the prime reason why Roland Garros is the most watched event in tennis-
http://simplymurcia.com/category/networks/

According to research firm Yacast Roland Garros last year led to France Television to broadcast more than 1,350 spots, more than eight hours of conventional advertising representative cumulative sales (excluding sponsorship) of 7.7 million gross before tax. Currently 90 channels broadcast 6,500 hours of matches in 214 countries. These broadcasts represent 3 billion cumulative viewers, making the Roland Garros tennis tournament, the most watched in the world.
)

ballbasher101
06-11-2011, 05:26 PM
Kafelnikov is my favourite Russian tennis player but he is wrong here. He was probably drunk when he said that ;). He can be forgiven for than.

bokehlicious
06-11-2011, 05:34 PM
(Rafa is more popular at Wimbledon though, and Rafa has gained more facebook fans this year than any athlete in the world. At this rate he'll overtake Federer, just like in the slam totals. Rafa would also be the prime reason why Roland Garros is the most watched event in tennis-
http://simplymurcia.com/category/networks/


)

He's by far the most popular athlete in the world because he's from Spain, simple as that ;)

Start da Game
06-11-2011, 06:09 PM
(Kafelnikov wore the legendary yellow shoes at Australian Open. Rafa should wear that style)

kafelnikov and kuerten are two of the top notch legends that truly recognize how great rafa is.......

Raiden
06-11-2011, 06:36 PM
kafelnikov is right in a way. without nadal, federer would have made a complete joke of this sport, its popularity would have decreased dramaticallyRubbish

Without Nadal the competition would have been more attractive tennis between Fed and Djoker who perhaps would have had matured earlier than he did now (after all he started winning slams in 2008, the same year Nadal started winning majors outside France)

Pirata.
06-11-2011, 06:41 PM
kafelnikov is right in a way. without nadal, federer would have made a complete joke of this sport, its popularity would have decreased dramatically

Yeah, just like Pete and Andre made a joke of the sport in the 90s with their (especially in Pete's case) dominance :rolleyes:

Roger is one of the most recognized faces of the sport. Rafa barely less so, but still up there. You could argue that together they make "jokes" of the sport by their own dominance, but they don't, they continue to attract thousands of people to the sport every year.

guga2120
06-11-2011, 06:45 PM
kafelnikov is right in a way. without nadal, federer would have made a complete joke of this sport, its popularity would have decreased dramatically

Kafelnikov is w/out a doubt right. Federer made tennis so boring for a long time b/c he beat everybody so easily. Thank God Rafa came along and saved us.

Nixer
06-11-2011, 06:58 PM
Kafelnikov is my favourite Russian tennis player but he is wrong here. He was probably drunk when he said that ;). He can be forgiven for than.

nah, he says it all the time in Russian media that Rafa is his favourite player

bokehlicious
06-11-2011, 07:01 PM
nah, he says it all the time in Russian media that Rafa is his favourite player

Well, he's drunk most of the time...

Clay Death
06-11-2011, 08:06 PM
Kafelnikov is my favourite Russian tennis player but he is wrong here. He was probably drunk when he said that ;). He can be forgiven for than.



negative.

Veronique
06-11-2011, 08:27 PM
Thank heavens for Rafa!

e476
06-11-2011, 10:10 PM
Yevgeny! :worship:

Clay Death
06-11-2011, 10:27 PM
Thank heavens for Rafa!


affirmative.

leng jai
06-11-2011, 11:05 PM
kafelnikov is right in a way. without nadal, federer would have made a complete joke of this sport, its popularity would have decreased dramatically

Domination brings all the gloryhunters to the sport because it simplifies who they just barrack for.

Nadal being the best thing that happened to tennis is one of the biggest crocks I've heard. Only tards would agree that such a boring play style and atrocious tennis technique which will no doubt be copied by players of the future is good for the sport.

Saberq
06-11-2011, 11:22 PM
Roger Federer,Pete Sampras,Agassi,Djokovic,Safin are the best things that happened to men's tennis with Federer at first place far and wide...His beauty of play made this sport something special...Pete Sampras was an effective champion,Aggasi was a rebel with great talent,Djokovic has personality never before seen on tour,Safin was badass,Nadal is great but plain,does not speak English that in my book makes him less...

doomsday
06-11-2011, 11:33 PM
Rafa is the best thing that happened to RUIN men's tennis.:wavey:

Raferminator
06-12-2011, 12:30 AM
Kafelnikov is wise man and my respect and admiration of him is off the charts. :bowdown: He sees it all so clearly...

If Rafa and Nole were the same age or older than Muger Frauderer, Muger would still be thirsting for his first slam, and would retire slamless. Muger is a complete classless joke. Rafa and Nole are saving tennis from the Dark Ages by humiliating Muger.

Clay Death
06-12-2011, 12:33 AM
i have invented a new nickname for fed:

feDULLstress.

all in jest of course.

nadalOIDS will like it.

federereeeeeesians missionaries will hate it.

DJ Soup
06-12-2011, 02:55 AM
Nadal is the only player who consistently stood up to Fed. And he was doing it BEFORE he reached his apex as an all surface player. Tell me who else was going to stand up to Fed and stop him from winning 25-30 slams by this point?


Nadal didn't kill tennis.. He stopped Fed from making a mockery of the sport, and kept people's interest. Who the hell was going to watch slams or masters or YEC events when you know the same guy was going to win every slam for 5-6 years straight if not for Nadal.


Wow, now you've convinced me: Federer is the GOAT

Forehander
06-12-2011, 02:57 AM
lol Kafelnikov enjoys talking shit probably because back then he thought Federer was just another youngster he could beat with only his left hand.

hipolymer
06-12-2011, 03:24 AM
i have invented a new nickname for fed:

feDULLstress.

all in jest of course.

nadalOIDS will like it.

federereeeeeesians missionaries will hate it.

Do you actually think you're funny when you post stuff like this?

Kat_YYZ
06-12-2011, 04:23 AM
Do you actually think you're funny when you post stuff like this?

this place really sucks without GlennMirnyi :sad:
what passes for 'humour' these days...

abraxas21
06-12-2011, 04:23 AM
yeah, we all miss glenn, a MTF hero who was unfairly banned by the administration

as for the thread, kafelnikov should stay away from the vodka, the poker or both

Clay Death
06-12-2011, 04:24 AM
American.

make no mistake about it.

and i dont do missionary work. its the others who are looking for a god to blindly worship.

Clay Death
06-12-2011, 04:26 AM
Do you actually think you're funny when you post stuff like this?


right.

and you are so bloody funny with that pathetic sig of yours.

how old are you again?

i am guessing something like 11.

i am 100 times funnier than you will ever be.

paseo
06-12-2011, 04:35 AM
Thread summary

NadalTards : Kafelnikov --> :rocker2::worship::clap2::bowdown:

NadalHaters : Kafelnikov --> :rolleyes::tape::stupid::silly:

Dmitry Verdasco
06-12-2011, 06:27 AM
Is this what they call the true tea? :worship:

Just like heaven
06-20-2013, 03:44 PM
New interview (google translation)

- Who are you personally number one in men's tennis: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, or maybe Novak Djokovic?

- Nadal.
On the most basic and objective reason - this man comes from life, so to speak. He has charisma, which do not Federer and Djokovic.

- Federer and Djokovic no charisma?

- Absolutely not, compared to Nadal. It will handicap the two of them together.

- Rafa won for the eighth time, "Roland Garros". At that spawned almost more questions than answers: Will he now only dirt player or vice versa on the way to returning to the status of the first racket of the world? Will he be able to play with Djokovic on other surfaces?

- And I think that every question has an answer. He will once again be a top tennis player.

- Even with such knees, which, in fact, no longer there?

- Grand Slam, he will still win. How long it will last, I do not know. I think that in the next two years it will still take first or second place in the world rankings.
http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/tvrain/473802.html

A_Skywalker
06-20-2013, 03:48 PM
It comes from a man that has totaly different game than Rafa so respect!

SheepleBuster
06-20-2013, 03:49 PM
I asked former world nº1 YevgenyKafelnikov: «are you a Federist or Nadalian?» «Nadalian; Rafa the best thing that happened to men's tennis»

http://twitter.com/#!/MiguelSeabra/status/21015773131

«Nadal much more charismatic than Federer, brings much more energy to the public & will win more Slams than Federer»

http://twitter.com/#!/MiguelSeabra/status/21015903654

Kids .... don't drink Vodka. Its effect on brain is worse than being punched in the head like boxers. Really sad to see how Yevgeny has fallen. Hope he finds peace in wherever they are going to take him to. :devil:

rocketassist
06-20-2013, 03:51 PM
Djokovic's game has a lot of similarities with his, so I'm kinda not surprised he didn't pick him.

Naudio Spanlatine
06-20-2013, 03:53 PM
Kids .... don't drink Vodka. Its effect on brain is worse than being punched in the head like boxers. Really sad to see how Yevgeny has fallen. Hope he finds peace in wherever they are going to take him to. :devil:

You seriously have borderline issues with your brain. Go seek help and please take time off of mtf and the keyboard and play happy tunes for your fragile mindset. You are killing me here. :spit:

SheepleBuster
06-20-2013, 03:56 PM
You seriously have borderline issues with your brain. Go seek help and please take time off of mtf and the keyboard and play happy tunes for your fragile mindset. You are killing me here. :spit:

Listen. It is OK to drink Vodka once in a while. I ain't judging. But it fries your brain. Don't blame me for not warning you.

Naudio Spanlatine
06-20-2013, 04:00 PM
Listen. It is OK to drink Vodka once in a while. I ain't judging. But it fries your brain. Don't blame me for not warning you.

Like i said step AWAY from the computer and get busy on fixing your brain, not with vodka either. ;)

SheepleBuster
06-20-2013, 04:05 PM
Like i said step AWAY from the computer and get busy on fixing your brain, not with vodka either. ;)
Like I said... it's sad to see past champions fall from grace. That's really the gist of it.

Jagermeister
06-20-2013, 04:11 PM
Thread summary

NadalTards : Kafelnikov --> :rocker2::worship::clap2::bowdown:

NadalHaters : Kafelnikov --> :rolleyes::tape::stupid::silly:

I will say I always admired Kafelnikov's ability to speak his mind but yes to this post.

Closethethreadnowpleasethanksbye.

SheepleBuster
06-20-2013, 04:21 PM
Seriously ... without attacking Kafelnikov.... we all know why he likes Rafa. Let's just say they have some thing in common. We are not blind

pepita1964
06-20-2013, 04:27 PM
Wow Kafelnikov still can not forget DC match when Federer beat him badly in Moscow. So much hate for one match.

PiggyGotRoasted
06-20-2013, 04:29 PM
Coming from the worst thing to happen to men's tennis, closely followed by nadal kneearly himself

spaniel
06-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Who cares about what Mugelnikov says.

Litotes
06-20-2013, 04:44 PM
A pity Kafelnikov never got to play Nadal, considering how much trouble the Spaniard has had with other Russians it would have been an interesting matchup.

Pirata.
06-20-2013, 04:45 PM
Fed has no charisma and its a handicap for him and yet he's still a million times more marketable than Nadal :haha:

Kyle_Johansen
06-20-2013, 04:50 PM
Federer and Djokovic don't have charisma? That's insane.

Sebes
06-20-2013, 04:51 PM
I always knew that Russians had great sense of humour.
Kafelnikov - Legend ! :worship:

Mountaindewslave
06-20-2013, 04:57 PM
Federer and Djokovic don't have charisma? That's insane.

on court Federer really does not show his emotion much nor does Djokovic. sure, when Djokovic wins a match he freaks out and tears shirts and makes jokes and things, but during them he is not very personable, ala why crowds across the world are not that favorable to him

Nadal is a bit more.... intense. more active body language, more 'vamos' sort of thing.

Kyle_Johansen
06-20-2013, 04:58 PM
Federer wouldn't be one of the most popular athletes of all-time if he wasn't charismatic on the court, or off it.

hipolymer
06-20-2013, 04:58 PM
Nadal is a bit more.... intense. more active body language, more 'vamos' sort of thing.

I agree.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGdPQN2ohMQ3a0lLbvEJ-mLeAKc1hBOghGYg-rVG6PRWqaQ629sw

GOAT = Fed
06-20-2013, 05:01 PM
Federer is extremely charismatic and masculine. He is stoic just like how men are in real life, rarely ever showing emotion and letting emotion get in his way [a la Nadal].

All in all Federer is alpha as fuck.

tribalfusion
06-20-2013, 05:06 PM
Federer is extremely charismatic and masculine. He is stoic just like how men are in real life, rarely ever showing emotion and letting emotion get in his way [a la Nadal].

All in all Federer is alpha as fuck.

You forgot to add your usual "no homo"

GOAT = Fed
06-20-2013, 05:07 PM
You forgot to add your usual "no homo"

You mad Federer is an alpha male on and off the court?

You mad that Federer is stoic and aloof, one of the main characteristics of being a man and attracting women?

Yeah, you mad.

tribalfusion
06-20-2013, 05:09 PM
You mad Federer is an alpha male on and off the court?

You mad that Federer is stoic and aloof, one of the main characteristics of being a man and attracting women?

Yeah, you mad.

I sense a lot of 'butthurt' here.

No homo.

SheepleBuster
06-20-2013, 05:15 PM
I think making fun of what Yegeney said is borderline player bashing. We all have our low moments in life when we say batsh** crazy things. I still respect Yegney as a Russian, is he Russian, who the F knows what he is. The fact is everyone has an opinion just like butt-holes. It's his opinion. Mine is more valid but that's another story.

Shinoj
06-20-2013, 07:03 PM
Its Embarassing what Kafelnikov is turning out to be.. Non Stop Vodka, Pokering, Becoming a Fat F**k, A Bumbling and Irrelevant Ex Player and Now adding to a Nadal Tard Population in the World.

Everything wrong a Man can be Kafelnikov is becoming. Its Sad Really..

Tiebreak100
06-20-2013, 07:38 PM
Federer wouldn't be one of the most popular athletes of all-time if he wasn't charismatic on the court, or off it.

No. Federer is one of the most popular athletes of all time because of his unrelenting success. He is rather dull and extremely arrogant.

As for Novak Gymnast, where do I begin? He has a personality, but unfortunately he thinks he is funny. He is not. His patter and banter is absolutely brutal. He makes me cringe on and off the court. A unique combination.

Murray is the only truly humble one out the big 4. Low key and understated. An absolute joy on and off the court.

Kyle_Johansen
06-20-2013, 07:40 PM
Santoro didn't have unrelenting success, and he was still massively popular. Same with Monfils.

"Dull and extremely arrogant?" Yeah, ok there bud. Everyone that's ever met him says he's the nicest guy you'd ever meet.

Kat_YYZ
06-20-2013, 08:48 PM
Ka$hfelnikov is just jealous.

Kiedis
06-20-2013, 08:52 PM
Federer is extremely charismatic and masculine. He is stoic just like how men are in real life, rarely ever showing emotion and letting emotion get in his way [a la Nadal].

All in all Federer is alpha as fuck.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00723/federer_280x390_723681a.jpg

Maybe I'll Try Later. God, It's Killing Me.

- Roger Federer -

spaniel
06-20-2013, 08:56 PM
No. Federer is one of the most popular athletes of all time because of his unrelenting success. He is rather dull and extremely arrogant.

As for Novak Gymnast, where do I begin? He has a personality, but unfortunately he thinks he is funny. He is not. His patter and banter is absolutely brutal. He makes me cringe on and off the court. A unique combination.

Murray is the only truly humble one out the big 4. Low key and understated. An absolute joy on and off the court.

:haha: yeah, specially when he is slapping his face (what happens everytime his not f**king like lowest road worker.

SheepleBuster
06-20-2013, 09:08 PM
Its Embarassing what Kafelnikov is turning out to be.. Non Stop Vodka, Pokering, Becoming a Fat F**k, A Bumbling and Irrelevant Ex Player and Now adding to a Nadal Tard Population in the World.

Everything wrong a Man can be Kafelnikov is becoming. Its Sad Really..

Exactly. I brought up the fact that this is not Kafelnish*t talking but Vodka and got attacked. I'd like him to pass a sobriety test before making these comments. Nadal is the worst thing that happened to men's tennis. Sponsors are fleeing and synchronized dog dancing gets more attention in the U.S precisely because of this man.

Looner
06-20-2013, 09:10 PM
This does not seem like a bandwagoning thread AT ALL whatsoever. Not at all. Nope, definitely nope.

EDIT: Just read the interview and the google translation does it justice. It's a load of crap.

Sombrerero loco
06-20-2013, 11:11 PM
yegyeny :bowdown:

Yolita
06-20-2013, 11:35 PM
No. Federer is one of the most popular athletes of all time because of his unrelenting success. He is rather dull and extremely arrogant.

As for Novak Gymnast, where do I begin? He has a personality, but unfortunately he thinks he is funny. He is not. His patter and banter is absolutely brutal. He makes me cringe on and off the court. A unique combination.

Murray is the only truly humble one out the big 4. Low key and understated. An absolute joy on and off the court.

Well...that's your personal opinion. Just like Kafelnikov thinks that Rafa has more charisma than Roger and Nole...It's a personal opinion.

Did you watch the Novak/Dimitrov match at The Boodles today? It was packed and the audience there seemed to disagree with your assessment. All of them were having a great time and laughing at Novak's jokes.

So you, like Yevgeny, would do very well to understand that personal opinions are just that: personal. Not a good idea to consider personal opinions as facts. :)

FlameOn
06-20-2013, 11:43 PM
Rafa has probably (mostly likely definitely) brought a lot of fans to the game (like it or not :p). He's marketed well with his macho image in the media. He has a different look in a sport that's always lacked standout characters as a whole especially on the men's side. Even if many new fans discover other players they like better and move on from Rafa, they don't stop being tennis fans, they just stop being Rafa fans.

I bet even many relatively recent tennis fans who are now Rafa's haters here (I don't consider myself a hater, more of a love-hate relationship, but nonetheless I'm not a fan any longer) were drawn to tennis partly because of him at first.

Mountaindewslave
06-20-2013, 11:50 PM
amen Kafelnikov knows charisma when he sees it

too many robots on tour these days, Nadal is a breath of fresh hair

and so is Gulbis. but that's another story. anywho.

SheepleBuster
06-20-2013, 11:51 PM
Rafa has probably (mostly likely definitely) brought a lot of fans to the game (like it or not :p). He's marketed well with his macho image in the media. He has a different look in a sport that's always lacked standout characters as a whole especially on the men's side. Even if many new fans discover other players they like better and move on from Rafa, they don't stop being tennis fans, they just stop being Rafa fans.

I bet even many of Rafa's haters here (I don't consider myself a hater, more of a love-hate relationship, but nonetheless I'm not a fan any longer) were drawn to tennis partly because of him at first.

ah yes. I started watching tennis 30 years ago because of Rafa. Thanks genius :banghead:

MTwEeZi
06-20-2013, 11:53 PM
Santoro didn't have unrelenting success, and he was still massively popular. Same with Monfils.

"Dull and extremely arrogant?" Yeah, ok there bud. Everyone that's ever met him says he's the nicest guy you'd ever meet.

I hear he is sad and banal.

Illusive Man
06-20-2013, 11:57 PM
He is a good force in the game, but isn't, I dunno, the GODDAMN Open Era, and thus Jack Kramer, a better thing in men's tennis?

SheepleBuster
06-21-2013, 12:04 AM
I am really starting to get sick of tennis players past and present. First Murray disses Roger, then Kafelnikov throws him under the boss. So many jealous crybabies. McEnroe, Gilbert, and all those people have had mancrush on Rafa for years. What's next?

FlameOn
06-21-2013, 12:10 AM
Fed has no charisma and its a handicap for him and yet he's still a million times more marketable than Nadal :haha:
Sleeveless muscled Rafa glaring at the camera was a somewhat vivid image even prior to becoming a tennis fan. Rafa is marketable, just in a different way.

FlameOn
06-21-2013, 12:12 AM
ah yes. I started watching tennis 30 years ago because of Rafa. Thanks genius :banghead:
Oops, fixed the post a bit :lol:.

Looner
06-21-2013, 12:25 AM
Sleeveless muscled Rafa glaring at the camera was a somewhat vivid image even prior to becoming a tennis fan. Rafa is marketable, just in a different way.

Yup, just like those horror movies are marketable.

Mr.Prysse.
06-21-2013, 12:36 AM
Roger's profile is much higher nowadays thanks to Nadal.

He wasn't that well known when his main competition was the likes of Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero and a geriatric Agassi.
Having Nadal as his complete opposite helped him find his "market niche" and follow the dollars.

The ATP wouldn't be what it is today had Federer been dominating for the last decade.
There's only so much excitement you can hype up if the guy wins 90% of the Slams.

SheepleBuster
06-21-2013, 12:39 AM
Oops, fixed the post a bit :lol:.

haha. Just busting your balls. :D You know how MTF is. You make mistake, we pounce. lol :D It's cut-throat business here man. lol

Honestly
06-21-2013, 12:44 AM
Yup, just like those horror movies are marketable.

It's marketable the way Transformers or Justin Bieber is marketable. There is no real depth to it. Just because a lot of people are into it doesn't mean that it is interesting at all. The sheeple love of it of course.

Kyle_Johansen
06-21-2013, 04:11 AM
Roger's profile is much higher nowadays thanks to Nadal.

He wasn't that well known when his main competition was the likes of Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero and a geriatric Agassi.
Having Nadal as his complete opposite helped him find his "market niche" and follow the dollars.

The ATP wouldn't be what it is today had Federer been dominating for the last decade.
There's only so much excitement you can hype up if the guy wins 90% of the Slams.

Golf was huge when Tiger was dominating, just as tennis was when Roger was dominating. Domination like that attracts viewers because they know they are witnessing something special.