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Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?

fsoica
12-28-2010, 07:19 PM
He never managed to win the tournament of the champions. Federer, Sampras, Agassi, all the all time greats (Nastase, Lendl, Becker, Edberg, McEnroe etc.) and even Djokovic did it.

Why the spaniard never manages to do it ?

Basically, beating 4 or 5 of all 7 of your top 8 fellow players, during a week, is the ultimate proof that you're the best of the best. A grand slam win can be a fluke due to lucky draws, but winning WTF is a result that cannot be contested not even by the ultimate MTF tard, so to speak...

So, why the mallorquin is unable to establish himself firmly as the best of the best by beating all the elite players at the end of the season ?

Is he always tired ?
Is he usually injured?
He hates playing indoors?
He doesn't care ?
Maybe he is not the best ?

Any other option?

Pls. vote and discuss ....

GlennMirnyi
12-28-2010, 07:31 PM
Basically because moonballing isn't the way to win indoor tournaments.

Donnay Quixote
12-28-2010, 07:34 PM
who the hell cares.

How many WTF did Becker win ....who did he play against? How about Mcenroe?? Sampras.....

the answer no one remembers! And no one cares.

Federerhingis
12-28-2010, 07:42 PM
One of the posts above while sarcastic has much validity and let's remember Nadal has only qualified what since 2005 or 2006, so he's got plenty of time to win a Yec he's only 24 let's not forget.

I guess we are all bored and I am included so I also repond.:o

RedHotRafa
12-28-2010, 07:52 PM
Combo of he hates playing indoors and Federer stopping him. Federer is a superior indoor player and has always trumped him in either the semis or final

Start da Game
12-28-2010, 07:55 PM
because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........

Donnay Quixote
12-28-2010, 07:57 PM
The reason Nadal lost was because they only played half a match.

it was not a best of five match,.....if the match continued Nadal would have beaten Federer

CCBH
12-28-2010, 07:57 PM
Basically, beating 4 or 5 of all 7 of your top 8 fellow players, during a week, is the ultimate proof that you're the best of the best. A grand slam win can be a fluke due to lucky draws, but winning WTF is a result that cannot be contested not even by the ultimate MTF tard, so to speak...

Exactly! Davydenko belongs in GOAT debates, since Slam wins are flukes and a WTF win with wins over all the Slam winners of the season (like Davydenko did in 2009 while winning zero himself, no less, how special is that? He made absolutely sure he did not get branded a fluke champion with a lame GS win!) is ultimate proof he is the best player to have wielded a tennis racquet.

fsoica
12-28-2010, 07:58 PM
because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........

This was not an option, but knowing you, I can only laugh at the sight of your post. You outtarded urself ;)

Donnay Quixote
12-28-2010, 08:02 PM
because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........

Poetry

fsoica
12-28-2010, 08:02 PM
Exactly! Davydenko belongs in GOAT debates, since Slam wins are flukes and a WTF win with wins over all the Slam winners of the season (like Davydenko did in 2009 while winning zero himself, no less, how special is that? He made absolutely sure he did not get branded a fluke champion with a lame GS win!) is ultimate proof he is the best player to have wielded a tennis racquet.

Pls. stick to the subject. GOAT debate does not belong here. GOAT is a funny concept, very abstract and havng not so much in common with reality. We have trophies for slams and YEcs, but a GOAT is just a personal view.

fsoica
12-28-2010, 08:08 PM
because no one gives a flying fuck about chicken shit glamour events with 3 sets format played inside a dull and dark auditorium........

It was not at all dark in Shanghai during those 2 SFs...

And the chinese crowd was not at all dull.

Or maybe when rafa was winning the olympic gold the audience was from another planet ?

Sonja1989
12-28-2010, 08:10 PM
He is tired, becouse too good clay court season, I think. But he can do it.

samanosuke
12-28-2010, 08:10 PM
Because he can't get an easy draw like he is usually getting

philosophicalarf
12-28-2010, 08:11 PM
Nadal has often had troubles with playing back to back days on hard - it's why his record is relatively poor in hc masters. For example, look at his performance vs Baghdatis in Cinci, the day after being taken to 3 by Bennytoe, or vs Murray in Canada the day after a 3 setter vs Kohl. People think of him as some sort of infinite stamina machine, but on hard that's not exactly true - his style is extremely wearing and he can look pretty sluggish. Slams he has the day off and can recover.

Also, he wasn't truly fit in 2009, and missed it totally in 2008. 2007 and earlier he was still learning on hard - lost to Ferrer in the US Open that year, for example.

SetSampras
12-28-2010, 09:05 PM
Nadal is one of the weaker indoor players in history in terms of all time greats. . But give him time, he has a few more chances, he will manage 1 eventually.

Lleyton_
12-28-2010, 09:09 PM
Where is this option: He is always tired AND injured at the end of the season?

syc23
12-28-2010, 09:10 PM
The most important stat is that Rafa has won all 4 GS. You can't say the same about Connors, Lendl, MacEnroe, Sampras, Becker......

So in the grand scheme of things, it's all about the slams. Not YEC.

Lleyton_
12-28-2010, 09:11 PM
The most important stat is that Rafa has won all 4 GS. You can't say the same about Connors, Lendl, MacEnroe, Sampras, Becker......

So in the grand scheme of things, it's all about the slams. Not YEC.

That wasn't the question.

madmax
12-28-2010, 09:30 PM
Where is this option: He is always tired AND injured at the end of the season?

or how about this option: he is always tired and injured whenever he loses?

Kiedis
12-28-2010, 09:39 PM
No player can be on top of his form through all the season. Nadal is a force from April to June... then he lower his game. He never sacrificed his clay court season and Wimbledom to win that.

hicdick
12-28-2010, 09:40 PM
The reason Nadal lost was because they only played half a match.

it was not a best of five match,.....if the match continued Nadal would have beaten Federer

so he wasn't tired after all? :eek:

Filo V.
12-28-2010, 09:45 PM
Because it's indoors, his worst surface and a surface other players have their best chances of beating him. Fatigue does play a factor with Rafa more than others because of the way he plays, but that's the main reason.

Shade
12-28-2010, 09:54 PM
I'm sick of people writing off the YEC because of it being a "glamour event". The fact of the matter is it's an extremely difficult event to win as you're constantly going up against the best of the best. Look at the people who've won the event the most times and you'll see a list of many of the greatest players to win the sport. Sure, the new best of 3 format allows more.. undeserving champions (Davydenko, even though he played a hell of a tournament), but it's a prestigious event, and one that the players really love to try and win.

Nadal hasn't won it yet because a) he historically doesn't do that well at the end of the season and b) he's only competed in it four times. He'll get one.

FairWeatherFan
12-28-2010, 10:24 PM
Because the courts have a modicum of speed, something that is as rare as diamonds in this particular worthless era of the sport. This is the same reason Nadal would not have won Wimbledon fifteen years ago, or any other respectable tournament for that matter.

swisht4u
12-28-2010, 10:31 PM
I'm sick of people writing off the YEC because of it being a "glamour event". The fact of the matter is it's an extremely difficult event to win as you're constantly going up against the best of the best. Look at the people who've won the event the most times and you'll see a list of many of the greatest players to win the sport. Sure, the new best of 3 format allows more.. undeserving champions (Davydenko, even though he played a hell of a tournament), but it's a prestigious event, and one that the players really love to try and win.

Nadal hasn't won it yet because a) he historically doesn't do that well at the end of the season and b) he's only competed in it four times. He'll get one.

It is hard to win.
Nadal himself said it's harder than a slam to win.
This year Nadal took some time off and was rested, he came pretty close to taking home the trophy so he'll probably get one eventually.

delpiero7
12-28-2010, 10:43 PM
Because the courts have a modicum of speed, something that is as rare as diamonds in this particular worthless era of the sport. This is the same reason Nadal would not have won Wimbledon fifteen years ago, or any other respectable tournament for that matter.

Oh dear.

The anti-Nadal brigade were up in arms when it emerged that the court for this year's WTF had been layed down by a Spanish company, convinced that it was another conspiracy for Nadal to win a tournament he hadn't won before.

There were no suggestions from the haters that the court had a 'modicum of speed' as he won his first 4 matches. A three set loss to Federer in the final, Nadal failed to win the tournament and you decide that all of a sudden the court has a modicum of speed. Great stuff.

philosophicalarf
12-28-2010, 11:46 PM
Oh dear.

The anti-Nadal brigade were up in arms when it emerged that the court for this year's WTF had been layed down by a Spanish company, convinced that it was another conspiracy for Nadal to win a tournament he hadn't won before.


Which is particularly silly, given it was the same Spanish company that does the TMC/WTF courts every year - only once in last 20 years they haven't, perhaps longer (that being the taraflex carpet that everyone hated in 2005). In fact, the same company that lays the majority of ATP indoor courts.

It was particularly slow this year though, even more so than last. Murray was told it would be slower than 2009 even before the courts were laid, so it's a deliberate change, and Ferrer said it was identical to Valencia ...... the slowest indoor court on tour.

r2473
12-28-2010, 11:49 PM
That wasn't the question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKg61sa6Gkw

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 12:03 AM
Basically because moonballing isn't the way to win indoor tournaments.
Correct.

Clay Death
12-29-2010, 12:12 AM
Basically because moonballing isn't the way to win indoor tournaments.

welcome back old friend. and now let get cracking:


are you going to be an arse clowneer all your life or are you going to take a day off?



those balls are hit near 100 mph at times WITH MASSIVE TOPSPIN.

do you understand what kind of force he has to be hitting that ball with ? he is not only blasting them at blinding speed but he is putting sick amount of spin on them.

do you even realize the racquet head speed and acceleration that is needed to produce 3500 rpms on that ball?


only a hapless, partially blind, toothless, legless, and gutless bag lady on the side of the road could call his relentless topspin cyclones of death "moonballs".


i am the resident clinical professor of topspin death and destruction here. its time for me to educate you.

luie
12-29-2010, 12:24 AM
Nadal has often had troubles with playing back to back days on hard - it's why his record is relatively poor in hc masters. For example, look at his performance vs Baghdatis in Cinci, the day after being taken to 3 by Bennytoe, or vs Murray in Canada the day after a 3 setter vs Kohl. People think of him as some sort of infinite stamina machine, but on hard that's not exactly true - his style is extremely wearing and he can look pretty sluggish. Slams he has the day off and can recover.

Also, he wasn't truly fit in 2009, and missed it totally in 2008. 2007 and earlier he was still learning on hard - lost to Ferrer in the US Open that year, for example.
Funny that,when he was beaten by blake,ferrer,Younzhy in HC slams,yet he went into all his matches as the more accomplished HC player @ the time of the match.:scratch:

rafa_maniac
12-29-2010, 12:25 AM
I suppose because no player can win everything? Having a couple of gaps in your resume at 24 is hardly something to turn your nose up at, especially when he's achieved everything that REALLY matters already. He's only played it four times, twice when he was a novice off of clay but made two semis, once when he was in a slump, and once when he came pretty close to winning it. Not a bad record, he might well do it one day.

paseo
12-29-2010, 01:21 AM
Lol @ the defensive NadalTards.

What a m...

What a mug, this Nadal

HEY!! That's my line!!

Damn... Forum-line-stealer, you.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 02:22 AM
Why has Olderer never won Davis Cup, even though Djokovic, who is a lesser player managed to do it with a way weaker team?

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 02:45 AM
Why has Olderer never won Davis Cup, even though Djokovic, who is a lesser player managed to do it with a way weaker team?
Maybe because Federer doesn't care about Davis Cup?

I don't blame him, it's a useless event and a waste of time.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 02:50 AM
Maybe because Federer doesn't care about Davis Cup?

I don't blame him, it's a useless event and a waste of time.

What is Mugray won multiple DC's carrying a few mugs by himself? Would you still say it's a useless event?

luvly1
12-29-2010, 02:50 AM
Why has Olderer never won Davis Cup, even though Djokovic, who is a lesser player managed to do it with a way weaker team?


lol the Serbian team is way better than anything the Swiss team can put together federer can only make up for so much.

the Serbian team has a top three singles player, a top ten doubles player and two players in the top 50 (didnt feel like checking their exact rankings)

the swiss team has fed, stan who is currently ranked 21 but we can go ahead and call him a top 20 player, Marco who is ranked 117, and has only play 100 (ATP non-challenger)matches in his career at 29, Michael Lammer ranked 251 having played 23 (ATP non-challenger)matches in his career at 28, Stephane bohli ranked 136 having played 21 (ATP non-challenger)matches in his career, and the yves Allegro and doubles specialist who is ranked 119....just an awesome team roger has they should just win the davis cup every year....

Sapeod
12-29-2010, 02:53 AM
What is Mugray won multiple DC's carrying a few mugs by himself? Would you still say it's a useless event?
No.

Even though Murray plays and is basically a one man team in Davis Cup, it is still a totally pointless event and, in my opinion, should be stopped.

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 05:05 AM
If Rafa won the 2010 WTF he'd probably not focus on it in future years and then people would say 2010 WTF was a fluke (because he had the horrible 2009 of not winning a set, and hadn't made the Final prior to 2010). In a way its better for his legacy that he made the Final and didn't win, because now he'll focus on WTF a lot in future years and win it and he'll have the 2010 runner-up result as a way of showing it wasn't a fluke. See, once Rafa does win the WTF he probably won't take it quite so seriously, because he'll likely have the Davis Cup Final to prepare for each year and also he'll need to ignore hardcourts for his health as the years go on.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 05:09 AM
If Rafa won the 2010 WTF he'd probably not focus on it in future years and then people would say 2010 WTF was a fluke (because he had the horrible 2009 of not winning a set, and hadn't made the Final prior to 2010). In a way its better for his legacy that he made the Final and didn't win, because now he'll focus on WTF a lot in future years and win it and he'll have the 2010 runner-up result as a way of showing it wasn't a fluke. See, once Rafa does win the WTF he probably won't take it quite so seriously, because he'll likely have the Davis Cup Final to prepare for each year and also he'll need to ignore hardcourts for his health as the years go on.

Exactly. It's like nobody could say Wimbledon '08 was a fluke because he already had 2 finals under his belt. He is still only 24 he'll win it at least once, I am certain.

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 07:52 AM
Exactly. It's like nobody could say Wimbledon '08 was a fluke because he already had 2 finals under his belt. He is still only 24 he'll win it at least once, I am certain.

Same here, as we say, godly golly gosh when he puts his mind on something he moves mountains quite notoriously indeedly :yeah:

2003
12-29-2010, 08:48 AM
Because it's a chicken shit title, clearly.

Raiden
12-29-2010, 09:01 AM
Why Nadal never won WTF/YEC ?Because he can't get an easy draw like he is usually gettingBingo!

/thread

Raiden
12-29-2010, 09:15 AM
Nadal's game is one dimensional: slugging and grinding.

That causes a problem for him during the WTF cuz he's gonna have to slug and grind his way from the get go, from day one. Whereas during a slam he will just cakewalk his way to the semi final and/or final without a sweat and only then, only during those (semi)finals do his moonballs become seriously challenged and countered by big guns.

But there's no room for cakewalks at the WTF on the other hand. Ergo Nadal = 'nada'

Kiedis
12-29-2010, 10:11 AM
Nadal's game is one dimensional: slugging and grinding.

That causes a problem for him during the WTF cuz he's gonna have to slug and grind his way from the get go, from day one. Whereas during a slam he will just cakewalk his way to the semi final and/or final without a sweat and only then, only during those (semi)finals do his moonballs become seriously challenged and countered by big guns.

But there's no room for cakewalks at the WTF on the other hand. Ergo Nadal = 'nada'

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federated
12-29-2010, 12:19 PM
C'mon this is obvious; the way he plays he has to be tired come year's end.

Mungo
12-29-2010, 01:03 PM
Why didn't Federer win the Olympic singles gold medal, Montecarlo, Rome, the Davis Cup and the French Open with a non-injured Nadal? hmmmm I will take Nadal's résumé better thanks, especially after he ends up winning more majors than Fedull

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 01:06 PM
Why didn't Federer win the Olympic singles gold medal, Montecarlo, Rome, the Davis Cup and the French Open with a non-injured Nadal? hmmmm I will take Nadal's résumé better thanks, especially after he ends up winning more majors than Fedull

Federer certainly would have more DCs than Rafito if he was Spaniard ;)

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 01:11 PM
Federer certainly would have more DCs than Rafito if he was Spaniard ;)

He should have won it at least once. Djokovic carried his weak team to a DC win, why couldn't Federer who is a so-called GOAT and had former top 10 Wawrinka to help him?

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 01:14 PM
He should have won it at least once. Djokovic carried his weak team to a DC win, why couldn't Federer who is a so-called GOAT and had former top 10 Wawrinka to help him?

Serbia have 3 players within top 50 in singles and have a top 3 double player. Same can't exactly be said about SUI :o ;)

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 01:29 PM
Bingo!

/thread

You thought Rafa's draw at the WTF was easy? Murray, Djokovic and Federer....? Has anyone in the history of tennis ever beaten Murray, Djokovic and Federer in an event? :confused: I doubt it's even possible for a player to do that frankly. On top of that it was on Rafa's worst surface :lol: And Rafa came within ONE set of achieving it.....I call it the greatest achievement of his career outside of the slams.

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 01:31 PM
Has anyone in the history of tennis ever beaten Murray, Djokovic and Federer in an event? :confused: I doubt it's even possible for a player to do that frankly.

Federer beat the whole top 5 to take last WTF, certainly not easy :o but doable for the GOAT...

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 01:50 PM
Federer beat the whole top 5 to take last WTF, certainly not easy :o but doable for the GOAT...

It's impossible for Federer to achieve the feat I described of beating Murray, Djokovic and Federer, obviously. Murray, Federer, Djokovic is the hardest 3-man hardcourt combination in the world, and Rafa almost did it INDOORS.

The GOAT should have done a Rafa/Laver and won French Open, Wimbledon, US Open in the same year, that'd be particularly impressive.

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 01:52 PM
It's impossible for Federer to achieve the feat I described of beating Murray, Djokovic and Federer, obviously. That is the hardest hardcourt combination in the world by far, and Rafa almost won did it INDOORS.

Haha too bad Fed can't face himself then :sad:

The very best in the field was thrown at him and he managed to prevail... :cool: that is GOATish effort, period.

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 01:56 PM
Haha too bad Fed can't face himself then :sad:

The very best in the field was thrown at him and he managed to prevail... :cool: that is GOATish effort, period.

As with all great players some things Federer does are "GOATish" and other things he does is "unGOATish", big deal. The most GOATish thing a player can do is win 4 slams in a row, and I bet Federer regrets not doing that while he had the chance in Roddick's heyday.

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 01:57 PM
When did Rafa win 4 slams in a row? Must have missed that... :scratch: :hug: :hug:

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 02:04 PM
When did Rafa win 4 slams in a row? Must have missed that... :scratch: :hug: :hug:

Well he won the 3 big ones in a row (first male player since 1969 to do it) and the final piece arrives next month I think.

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 02:06 PM
Well he won the 3 big ones in a row (first player since 1969) and the final piece arrives next month I think.

There aren't such thing as "big 3", there are 4 slams, period :shrug: Rafa certainly isn't the only one since 69 to win 3 slams in a row :o

as for next year's AO, wait till it occurs Nostradamus :hug:

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 02:07 PM
There aren't such thing as "big 3", there are 4 slams, period :shrug: Rafa certainly isn't the only one since 69 to win 3 slams in a row :o

as for next year's AO, wait till it occurs Nostradamus :hug:

First male player since 1969 to win French Open, then Wimbledon, then US Open. Laver was the last male player to do it. Federer is the red-hot favorite for this AO though for sure, but just saying Rafa's AO has been ordered and is due very soon. We'll see if it arrives.

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 02:09 PM
First male player since 1969 to win French Open, then Wimbledon, then US Open. Laver was the last male player to do it.

And for Laver it wasn't even on 3 different surfaces :eek: I guess that definitely settles the deal as to know who is true worthy GOAT :shrug: bamos! :lol:

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 02:11 PM
And for Laver it wasn't even on 3 different surfaces :eek: I guess that definitely settles the deal as to know who is true worthy GOAT :shrug: bamos! :lol:

I don't believe in GOAT, since its impossible to compare eras. Nobody will ever be the GOAT unless they go back in a time-machine and prove they can dominate the other eras. But Rafa can definitely be the best of the century.

Zagor
12-29-2010, 02:14 PM
First male player since 1969 to win French Open, then Wimbledon, then US Open. Laver was the last male player to do it. Federer is the red-hot favorite for this AO though for sure, but just saying Rafa's AO has been ordered and is due very soon. We'll see if it arrives.

He really isn't.He's the 2nd favourite by some margin but the vast majority of bookies wil put Nadal as 1st favourite I'm sure.

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 02:16 PM
He really isn't.He's the 2nd favourite by some margin but the vast majority of bookies wil put Nadal as 1st favourite I'm sure.

Yeah true, I just like considering Rafa as the underdog (or not the favorite) for every event (except Roland Garros) because winning as the underdog is cooler than winning as the favorite.

Matt01
12-29-2010, 02:53 PM
Serbia have 3 players within top 50 in singles and have a top 3 double player. Same can't exactly be said about SUI :o ;)


True. SUI "only" has 2 Top 25 players in Singles :o ;)

Lleyton_
12-29-2010, 03:04 PM
True. SUI "only" has 2 Top 25 players in Singles :o ;)

Even if SUI had Nadal instead of Wawrinka, they would still lose. They need either 2 more decent singles players or 1 top doubles player and lots of luck.

Matt01
12-29-2010, 03:09 PM
Even if SUI had Nadal instead of Wawrinka, they would still lose. They need either 2 more decent singles players or 1 top doubles player and lots of luck.


Why? You only need two very good singles players to have your wins guaranteed since there is only 1 doubles match each time.

Lleyton_
12-29-2010, 03:22 PM
Why? You only need two very good singles players to have your wins guaranteed since there is only 1 doubles match each time.

Federer alone can win a tie maybe but he can't do it 4 times. What's he going to do against Spain for example? They can win even without Nadal.

Topspindoctor
12-29-2010, 03:31 PM
Federer alone can win a tie maybe but he can't do it 4 times. What's he going to do against Spain for example? They can win even without Nadal.

Yeah, they sure won without Nadal this year :yeah:

GlennMirnyi
12-29-2010, 03:47 PM
lol the Serbian team is way better than anything the Swiss team can put together federer can only make up for so much.

the Serbian team has a top three singles player, a top ten doubles player and two players in the top 50 (didnt feel like checking their exact rankings)

the swiss team has fed, stan who is currently ranked 21 but we can go ahead and call him a top 20 player, Marco who is ranked 117, and has only play 100 (ATP non-challenger)matches in his career at 29, Michael Lammer ranked 251 having played 23 (ATP non-challenger)matches in his career at 28, Stephane bohli ranked 136 having played 21 (ATP non-challenger)matches in his career, and the yves Allegro and doubles specialist who is ranked 119....just an awesome team roger has they should just win the davis cup every year....

The Swiss team has Frauderer, Wawrinka and Chiudinelli. That's enough to win the DC. The real problem is that Frauderer couldn't give a flying f*** to this particular competition.

Dougie
12-29-2010, 03:56 PM
The Swiss team has Frauderer, Wawrinka and Chiudinelli. That's enough to win the DC. The real problem is that Frauderer couldn't give a flying f*** to this particular competition.

They would at least be serious competitors for the title. Federer should be able to win two rubbers almost every time, and if he and Wawrinka played doubles regularly, there´s no reason they wouldn´t be a great team ( having already won the olympic doubles). So yeah, the only thing stopping the Swiss from competing for the title is Federer´s lack of commitment.

bokehlicious
12-29-2010, 03:58 PM
Even if SUI had Nadal instead of Wawrinka, they would still lose. They need either 2 more decent singles players or 1 top doubles player and lots of luck.

This. It takes more than 1,5 players to win it.

solowyn
12-29-2010, 03:59 PM
Yeah, they sure won without Nadal this year :yeah:
Lolz, Nadal didn't even play the final when they won in 2008 :lol:

barbadosan
12-29-2010, 04:20 PM
They would at least be serious competitors for the title. Federer should be able to win two rubbers almost every time, and if he and Wawrinka played doubles regularly, there´s no reason they wouldn´t be a great team ( having already won the olympic doubles). So yeah, the only thing stopping the Swiss from competing for the title is Federer´s lack of commitment.

So Nadal is sooo tired after back to bck 3-set matches at WTF, but Fed the Iron Man is supposed to play back-to-back-to-back 5 setters at Davis Cup.

Remember the year Fed did just that? won his two singles and played a long, long doubles match which he lost. Only thing Wawrinka had to do was win ONE of his singles matches - he didn't.

Wouldn't be surprised if Fed quietly said to himself after that "Screw it"

nadal_slam_king
12-29-2010, 04:24 PM
So Nadal is sooo tired after back to bck 3-set matches at WTF, but Fed the Iron Man is supposed to play back-to-back-to-back 5 setters at Davis Cup.

Remember the year Fed did just that? won his two singles and played a long, long doubles match which he lost. Only thing Wawrinka had to do was win ONE of his singles matches - he didn't.

Wouldn't be surprised if Fed quietly said to himself after that "Screw it"

The 3 back2back matches weren't the issue, it was the MURRAY-NADAL match which caused a problem. They exhaust each other and it makes it very difficult to play a match afterward.

bhathiya9999
12-29-2010, 04:42 PM
He has not luck