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Can the Frenchies take it to the next level?

Roger the Dodger
12-28-2010, 05:26 PM
Their fans on this board seem to suffer a lot of pangs.

Who do you think will be the next Yannick Noah?

Gasquet?
Tsonga?
Monfils?
Gasquet?
Mathieu?
Simon?
Gasquet?
Llodra?

Immense potential. Little to show for it. Will all that change?

Nadull_tard
12-28-2010, 05:39 PM
None of them. I haven't notice a noteworthy youngster neither.

abraxas21
12-28-2010, 05:45 PM
none of them, i'm afraid.

clownga is probabably the one with the most potential but he ain't that good to win a GS, imo.

Audacity
12-28-2010, 05:47 PM
Can't picture any winning a slam...

Blackbriar
12-28-2010, 05:52 PM
Gasquet?
Tsonga?
Monfils?
Gasquet?
Mathieu?
Simon?
Gasquet?
Llodra?


I like your selection :) It seems to point in one particular direction, the right one IMO :p
You're a quality poster, i vote you as "quality poster of the month" ;)

Cloudygirl
12-28-2010, 05:59 PM
Don't think that you can ever rule out Tsonga having an amazing couple of weeks like AO08 again.

I also don't think you could rule out Monfils having a miraculous Roland Garros one year if he got an exceedingly good draw. Same as Gasquet with Wimbledon.


However do I think any of the above is likely at all......

Blackbriar
12-28-2010, 06:01 PM
1,4, 7 will do great in 2011, i tell you :)

GlennMirnyi
12-28-2010, 06:04 PM
Malheureusement, none of them.

Tsonga has everything to win a GS but his game has been watered down to a pushing style. A real joke.

Roger the Dodger
12-28-2010, 06:05 PM
none of them, i'm afraid.

clownga is probabably the one with the most potential but he ain't that good to win a GS, imo.

Tsonga's case really hurts the most. He came close. What is really ironic is that post AO 08, he actually tamed Djokovic. Too late.

Certinfy
12-28-2010, 06:22 PM
Tsonga at the AO, Monfils at RG.

Blackbriar
12-28-2010, 06:28 PM
Tsonga at the AO, Monfils at RG.
How Monfils is going to go pass Nadal?

Allez
12-28-2010, 06:29 PM
Oh god I would love for Gasquet to win Wimbledon. That tard doesn't seem to get just how good he can be on that surface. He is pissing his talent away. Monfils can never be counted out at RG (as long as Nadal is not in top form). Who knows what a motivated Tsonga can do at the AO or UO :shrug: You can bin the rest IMO.

Cloudygirl
12-28-2010, 06:32 PM
How Monfils is going to go pass Nadal?

I remember saying that about Soderling.

Anything can happen in tennis. Can't rule out anything really. It's incredibly unlikely but stranger things have happened.

Roger the Dodger
12-28-2010, 06:35 PM
Don't think that you can ever rule out Tsonga having an amazing couple of weeks like AO08 again.

I also don't think you could rule out Monfils having a miraculous Roland Garros one year if he got an exceedingly good draw. Same as Gasquet with Wimbledon.


However do I think any of the above is likely at all......

Both Tsonga and Monfils did very well -raising French expectations in 2008. But it stopped there.

Tsonga however might be a case of bad luck. Because he can think on court. But Monfils is a case of utter clowning and wasting away of concentration. He's going to end like a slamless version of Roddick.
Hard work without head work = zero dividends.

Malheureusement, none of them.

Had to look that up. :lol: Yes. French irony.

Blackbriar
12-28-2010, 06:38 PM
I remember saying that about Soderling.
Anything can happen in tennis. Can't rule out anything really. It's incredibly unlikely but stranger things have happened.

OK, Soda did it, but he can be a killer on his days. Can you imagine Nadal going down against Fabio Fognini, that would be incredibly unlikely.

Johnny Groove
12-28-2010, 06:41 PM
Their fans on this board seem to suffer a lot of pangs.

Who do you think will be the next Yannick Noah?

Gasquet?
Tsonga?
Monfils?
Gasquet?
Mathieu?
Simon?
Gasquet?
Llodra?

Immense potential. Little to show for it. Will all that change?

Gasquet has talent to the moon, but a slight fitness improvement and a wholesale mental improvement and I can see him in the top 10 challenging for slams.

Tsonga is right there already if he can keep himself healthy. He can't seem to play a whole season w/o injuring himself. Fitness, bro, gotta get it together.

Monfils the crowd pleaser. For Monfils, he has all the tools, save for the right gameplan. If he could ever be aggressive and take the ball on the rise, shit, he could be #1 with that new offense and his pure defensive athleticism.

PHM's time I think has passed, too many mental scars.

Llodra's game is awesome to watch, but he needs to improve mind and fitness.

Simon if healthy, can beat Fed and Nadal as we've seen, but he was injured a lot of last year.

Gasquet is there 3 times :scratch:

Cloudygirl
12-28-2010, 06:45 PM
OK, Soda did it, but he can be a killer on his days. Can you imagine Nadal going down against Fabio Fognini, that would be incredibly unlikely.

he hadn't had many big wins that I could think of before beating Nadal. Roddick?

The time before they had played Rafa won 6-0 6-1. It's just as unlikely as Rafa losing to Monfils.

Blackbriar
12-28-2010, 07:14 PM
The time before they had played Rafa won 6-0 6-1. It's just as unlikely as Rafa losing to Monfils.
Rafa losing to Monfils on clay...:confused:
I don't know, this is very... weird

Roger the Dodger
12-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Gasquet has talent to the moon, but a slight fitness improvement and a wholesale mental improvement and I can see him in the top 10 challenging for slams.

Tsonga is right there already if he can keep himself healthy. He can't seem to play a whole season w/o injuring himself. Fitness, bro, gotta get it together.

Monfils the crowd pleaser. For Monfils, he has all the tools, save for the right gameplan. If he could ever be aggressive and take the ball on the rise, shit, he could be #1 with that new offense and his pure defensive athleticism.

PHM's time I think has passed, too many mental scars.

Llodra's game is awesome to watch, but he needs to improve mind and fitness.

Simon if healthy, can beat Fed and Nadal as we've seen, but he was injured a lot of last year.

The post of this thread. Mind and fitness seems to be the common refrain through it.

Gasquet, with all his talents might never improve on his mind.
Monfils, however can. If he can control his impetuous desire to be the clown and actually focus in the moment, there's no saying he couldn't be the next Nadal.

Gasquet is there 3 times :scratch:

I was teasing some of my French friends here. :p

yuri27
12-30-2010, 07:44 PM
No.
They are french so by definition,they are destined to never win a GS.

Ibracadabra
12-30-2010, 08:10 PM
Paul henri.

The Freak
12-31-2010, 04:25 AM
Maybe Gael at the French Open one day...as long as he doesn't have to face a healthy Nadal...
Tsonga is the most likely, being the most proven player on the big occasion.

Blackbriar
12-31-2010, 08:49 AM
The way i see it, these are the chances for a frenchman to win a GS:
Tsonga at AO: he has a real chance, but probably only after Federer's retirement (beating both Federer and Nadal is too much)
Tsonga at Wim: unlikely, need perfect draw (no big servers) and only after Federer
Monfils at FO: very unlikely, but he already made it to the semis, after Federer
frenchman n°4 at Wim: very unlikely, but he already made it to the semis, after Federer
Tsonga at USO: very unlikely, it's the end of the season, and Tsonga is usually injured at these times, but it's the fastest surface, so he has a slight chance, after Federer

all other combinations are next to impossible.

PiggyGotRoasted
12-31-2010, 05:36 PM
The way i see it, these are the chances for a frenchman to win a GS:
Tsonga at AO: he has a real chance, but probably only after Federer's retirement (beating both Federer and Nadal is too much)
Tsonga at Wim: unlikely, need perfect draw (no big servers) and only after Federer
Monfils at FO: very unlikely, but he already made it to the semis, after Federer
frenchman n°4 at Wim: very unlikely, but he already made it to the semis, after Federer
Tsonga at USO: very unlikely, it's the end of the season, and Tsonga is usually injured at these times, but it's the fastest surface, so he has a slight chance, after Federer

all other combinations are next to impossible.

Monfils could win any of the 4..

luie
12-31-2010, 06:55 PM
Gasquet has talent to the moon, but a slight fitness improvement and a wholesale mental improvement and I can see him in the top 10 challenging for slams.

Tsonga is right there already if he can keep himself healthy. He can't seem to play a whole season w/o injuring himself. Fitness, bro, gotta get it together.

Monfils the crowd pleaser. For Monfils, he has all the tools, save for the right gameplan. If he could ever be aggressive and take the ball on the rise, shit, he could be #1 with that new offense and his pure defensive athleticism.

PHM's time I think has passed, too many mental scars.

Llodra's game is awesome to watch, but he needs to improve mind and fitness.

Simon if healthy, can beat Fed and Nadal as we've seen, but he was injured a lot of last year.

Gasquet is there 3 times :scratch:
In BO3, I can't see sipusher ever beating fed n' nadull in a slam unless they are on their retirement stretch.

Johnny_Bravo
01-01-2011, 10:03 AM
Paul henri.

i like this ibra fellow :yeah:

and your selection of frenchies is obviously not complete;) missing benne,serra,paire,mannarino,lacoste :D

damn not a good stuff coming wasted and discussing french potential afterwards.makes me puke :eek:

Blackbriar
01-01-2011, 11:21 AM
Gasquet will rocket to the sky in 2011!! :yeah:

A_Skywalker
01-01-2011, 11:22 AM
Yes, the frenchies can take it to the next level...
the lower one

Filo V.
01-01-2011, 12:32 PM
None of the French players have the ability to take it to the elite level. None of them. So, the answer is no.

yuri27
01-25-2011, 06:53 PM
Yes,a level lower it seems.:lol::lol:

freeandlonely
01-25-2011, 07:09 PM
Monfils/Simon at RG

yuri27
01-25-2011, 08:25 PM
Monfils/Simon at RG

:haha::haha:
I can name you at least ten players who are better than them on Clay.

djb84xi
01-25-2011, 10:41 PM
I think Tsonga is the most talented of any of the French players, but he can't stay healthy for a whole season. He poses a far bigger threat than Monfils, Gasquet, Simon, Llodra, and Chardy combined.............but that's only when he isn't nursing some kind of injury. Tsonga has a good enough serve, huge groundstrokes, and he can get around the court pretty well for a guy with his kind of frame. On a good day, he could give any top 5 player trouble. It's just a matter of him being fit and staying focused.

scoobs
01-25-2011, 10:48 PM
Increasingly it's looking like "no" from the current crop, good as they are.

Simon - lacks enough firepower and ability to win enough matches easily to really conquer the heights.

Monfils - always injured, or showboating, or both.

Tsonga - perpetually injured and I think that's worn him down mentally too compared to a couple of years ago.

Gasquet - doesn't have the will or the cojones.

Llodra - past his peak and his gamestyle just doesn't work well enough on the slow courts they play on 2/3 of the season.

Chardy - just seems unwilling to try and play smart at all - just mindlessly cuts at the ball - that won't do it.


It seems to me France will have to wait for the generation behind this one and put their hopes there.

peribsen
01-25-2011, 11:12 PM
Increasingly it's looking like "no" from the current crop, good as they are.
(..)
It seems to me France will have to wait for the generation behind this one and put their hopes there.

+1. Sad, but true.

Certinfy
01-25-2011, 11:13 PM
Monfils and Tsonga are the future :worship:

KaiserT
01-25-2011, 11:17 PM
Monfils and Tsonga are the future :worship:

A terrifying prospect.

KaiserT
01-25-2011, 11:18 PM
Monfils/Simon at RG

Imagine the physical state Simon would be in having made the final of RG :lol:

KaiserT
01-25-2011, 11:20 PM
It's also fascinating that people still thing Gasquet could be a threat at a slam........ clearly they can't watch him play much these days.

mgasol
01-25-2011, 11:22 PM
no. they. are. just. too. mentally. weak.

mgasol
01-25-2011, 11:23 PM
Monfils and Tsonga are the future :worship:

the 2 dumbest players on tour :worship:

swanpm20
01-26-2011, 02:24 AM
Increasingly it's looking like "no" from the current crop, good as they are.

Simon - lacks enough firepower and ability to win enough matches easily to really conquer the heights.

Monfils - always injured, or showboating, or both.

Tsonga - perpetually injured and I think that's worn him down mentally too compared to a couple of years ago.

Gasquet - doesn't have the will or the cojones.

Llodra - past his peak and his gamestyle just doesn't work well enough on the slow courts they play on 2/3 of the season.

Chardy - just seems unwilling to try and play smart at all - just mindlessly cuts at the ball - that won't do it.


It seems to me France will have to wait for the generation behind this one and put their hopes there.

Good analysis and great post. Of all these guys, I actually think Gasquet has the best shot of winning a slam, but that's only if he really gets his act together of course within the next 4 years. He could also be aided by Federer aging and Rafa (god forbid) slowing down thanks to injuries; this would make for a much more open field.

lalaland
01-26-2011, 08:10 PM
I think Jo has a chance. True that he's often injured. But he doesn't need to be healthy for a year to win a slam, he only needs to be good for half a year and then have a great run in 2 weeks to achieve that. That almost happened in 2008, so it's very possible that it could happen again.

Gael also has a chance. He can very well go all the way to the final at RG. But looking at his final/title ratio, the likelihood of him winning a final in a slam is not looking all that good.

The rest, unlikely, but not impossible.

Arkulari
01-26-2011, 08:29 PM
Monfils/Simon at RG

don't you remember that infamous AO 09 match between these two? :unsure:
top 5 of the worst matches in the Open Era and I'm not exaggerating :o

Blackbriar
01-26-2011, 08:46 PM
To tell the truth I don't care if any but Gasquet has a chance to win one. I only care about Gasquet doing better, improving his ranking and get a shot at titles.

Ibracadabra
01-26-2011, 09:40 PM
It's also fascinating that people still thing Gasquet could be a threat at a slam........ clearly they can't watch him play much these days.

Amazing to think he had andy murray on the ropes before sucoming to injury at the french last year.

ballbasher101
01-26-2011, 09:56 PM
Increasingly it's looking like "no" from the current crop, good as they are.

Simon - lacks enough firepower and ability to win enough matches easily to really conquer the heights.

Monfils - always injured, or showboating, or both.

Tsonga - perpetually injured and I think that's worn him down mentally too compared to a couple of years ago.

Gasquet - doesn't have the will or the cojones.

Llodra - past his peak and his gamestyle just doesn't work well enough on the slow courts they play on 2/3 of the season.

Chardy - just seems unwilling to try and play smart at all - just mindlessly cuts at the ball - that won't do it.


It seems to me France will have to wait for the generation behind this one and put their hopes there.

Well put. If the French could manage to combine all these players into one very good player they would be onto a winner. They would dominate the majors :lol:.